With this update, could you also conform if known as it wasnt disclosed in your article if the MPG 491CQPX QD-OLED monitor is available in the UK? Distributors are suggesting it's specific to the Asian markets. Thanks and regards, Jonathan
I was hoping you'd clarify point number 3 "Fixed Panel Protect abnormal behavior while the "Power Button" option is set to standby." for the 321URX. On my first unit I remember never seeing the Panel Protect window as I wasn't using my monitor more than 4hrs daily. On my second unit which I instantly updated to FW11, when Panel Protect set to Auto, the screen wouldn't do a Pixel Refresh on standby. It would only do Pixel Refresh if the monitor was on, except if I would have clicked "Later" when the window would appear. But now when I've selected "16hr", the screen will do Pixel Refresh after 4hrs of consecutive use after the monitor is in Stand-by mode (more or less like an LG TV). I would personally have hoped that the monitor does a Pixel Refresh every time the monitor goes into Standby, regardless of how long it's been turned on.
Will the inproved input lag positively impact games that lock your frame-rate at 60fps? I'm thinking about Fighting Games like Tekken 8 for example - where your refresh rate in Windows is still 360hz (271QRX) but the game is capped at 60fps to maintain and preserve frame data in a competitive environment. Thanks and yet another great video.
The even lower 360Hz lag would apply in that situation anyway, so you're all good. If you set windows refresh rate to 60Hz to align with the game, then the new 60Hz lag number would apply
Just stay at 360Hz while playing your game at 60fps. And no the input lag improvement is not that massive, it just might help in clutch situations. Human lag is still the biggest lag that you could improve more than your OLED monitor ever could.
Thanks for another great video TFT! I’ve been using the 271qrx and loving it coming from IPS1080p. One thing Ive found is sometimes the monitor doesn’t recognize when HDR is on or off in Ps5 or windows. Other than it’s been great.
I have that one too bro i use it for my ps5 and while it does look good as it should its definitely too dark in HDR .. version 009 , i was told by an msi tech i could update it with the utility from there site , they have now removed that utility download although i still actually have the file i dont currently have a pc to try and update it
@@jonnozI have .009, as of yesterday they deleted the utility… but they never posted the actual FW file…. Do you have the Utility to send me? I’d like to test out a way to update.. I have Mac as my main, but a tiny windows box for FW updates.. let me know would appreciate it 🙏🏽
@@AJCoReTV i think my reply just got automatically deleted guessing im not allowed to post a link on here ? I have a download link from msi that still works do u have reddit bro ? I just replied to someone on there with the same issue as us
Have there been no significant FW updates from Gigabyte or Alienware for their QDs? Could you look at the TCL 27R83U, it's a 27" 4k 160hz HVA FALD with 1000+ dimming zones and very impressive HDR luminance.
I had this monitor. It is good, the blooming is minimal. Brightness is super but the monitor get so hot. Hot on touch actually. And monitor got stucked many times, especially when i was switching from a tv to the display. The screen was not responsive. The osd was slow also. I saw a shadow near cursor with every overdrive settings for response time. Also, no firmware updates. This is TCL 27r83u
Thanks TFTCentral! Between 321urx and aw3225qf, which is more color accurate in hdr and sdr? Which has better gamma tracking? I keep hearing MSI oversaturated hdr and is too dark gamma in sdr? When I do lagom black level test for MSI, the squares 1-6 I can’t see in sdr but in hdr it looks washed out? On aw3225qf I can’t see square 1 but rest I can see in both hdr and sdr
probably best to have a read through the review of the AW3225QF and the video of the MPG 321URX to pick out the parts that are relevant., although if you've got both then i guess you can decide which you prefer anyway?
I know in ur review for the MSI there’s a delta of 4-5 in hdr but in other reviews like monitors unboxed I see delta e of 7-15. Idk which to trust. I also seen that aw targets srgb gamma whereas MSI targets 2.2?
Great update, I want this monitor for Dual Use Photo Editing and Gaming. I need to know how I can white balance this monitor and test / calibrate for Adobe RGB color space. MSI claims 97% Adobe RGR color space and has a control in the Pro Section to set it. MSI Tech Support in US doesn’t seem to know anything about this and doesn’t seem to have any documentation on factory calibration or how to calibrate the unit. I suspect the 321URX 32” has hardware based calibration but it could be locked. I have Pro level calibrator. They sent me the Manual but there was no documentation on calibrating for any color space etc.. Also can you download ICC Color Profile Software for this specific monitor?
I replied to your other comment about this so have a look there too. This screen does not support hardware level calibration, you will only be able to software profile the screen with your device
My biggest issue with the 32 4k 240hz. I need to make sure to set DSC to off before I turn it off, because my PC for some reason when it restarts doesn't see it as active. And turning it off and on can cause issues when it's switching. Other then that, this monitor is the best one Ive ever used before and Im quite happy I purchased it. What's kinda crazy is the non firmware one was only like $50 cheaper when I was buying this in Canada, so it made the non firmware one look like such a bad deal considering all the updates MSI has already put into these things LOL
Thanks for this. Also can you guys give the input lag on the new update when the new update comes. Sometimes companies fix one thing and ruin another. Input lag for the msi271qrx
Currently have the 34CQPX and absolutely love it. First OLED monitor that I am using for both gaming and (silly enough) productivity. Such an absolute purchase.
how is the text looking? any noticeable fringing? im between the 27" MPG 271QRX and the 34" wide 341CQPX. ive seen videos on the text on the 27" and it looks great. but it uses the gen 3 panel, so im worried how it looks on the gen 1. do u even notice it sitting 2-3 feet away from the screen?
Hey, great video. I was wondering whether you tested the input lag on DP or HDMI with DSC enabled. Or did you do both. Did you find a big latency with hdmi?
Does it matter DP vs HDMI 2.1? For a GPU supporting both? I mean in terms of input lag and processing times as well as VRR performance. I have a 4090 and MSI 32 inch 4k 240hz OLED monitor
Check what’s listed in the bottom right hand corner of the menu and then update from there if it’s older. I suspect it will be on an old version and need an upgrade
had the 011 firmware on my MPG 271QRX for a couple of days and had to downgrade to 010 again, because the 011 version was causing BSODs. after every pixel refresh cycle my graphics driver (RTX 4090, Windows 10) kept crashing repeatedly until a BSOD occured. no issues whatsoever with the 010 firmware.
msi271qpx qd oled e2 owner. im on FW.019 Firmware, i didnt get a USBA TO USBB cable , on their website i can only see 2 Firmware SOP an Scaler - Firmware. how do i go about this THANK YOU
The latest firmware for the MAG 271QPX QD-OLED E2 appears to be firmware FW.022. This monitor does not have USBB ports which is why the USBB cable is not included. You will need to connect this monitor to PC via Displayport and update the monitor that way.
Great video, however I feel you missed an important metric in the input latency test for the MSI MAG 271QPX and 32 inch version. Specifically the input latency at 120Hz (Specifically over HDMi) This is important as we would like to know the difference between 240Hz PC and Console 120Hz input latency (as MANY there many games that do run at 120FPS on Xbox S/X and PlayStation 5)
I have the MAG 321UPX QD-OLED and need to update the firmware. The MSI gaming intelligence download only has an option for windows 11 and I'm still using 10 and don't want to switch. Is there a windows 10 version? Thanks
Recently got the 27in. For firmware update it says to connect via display port. I assume that using a USB C to DP adapter when connecting to my laptop should be fine ?
not sure tbh as i'd expect the signal to be sent over the USB connection, unless it causes crashes and video signal issues while it's updating or when it's finished. The MSI guidance says you need to use DP so for safety I'd stick with that
So when in playing call of duty now at 240 fps i should set my hz on 240 and not on 360 to get less input lag? Or can i keep 360hz and cap the game at 220fps?
am i just seeing things?or do i see a purple tint on the monitor?i thought purple only happens on blacks and dont affect the overall picture in lit rooms.
I'm not sure of the technical challenges, but a lot of the time the screens are just not optimised for non-native refresh rates, and it's given very little focus. you can see from these FW updates what is possible when manufacturer do spend time trying to improve things though, so it must be possible to improve - to a point. These high refresh rate screens aren't really designed for low refresh rate devices a lot of the time either
Would be nice if you could bug Asus to fix the EOTF issues with the HDR brightness 100 on the XG27AQDMG. It looks horrible in HDR movies and series. highlight posterization and dark scenes become pitch black.
Do you have any info when will they release 27in 2k 3rd gen qd-oled? Im a programmer and also a gamer but all the OLED monitor in the market are having text fringe problem. And all 3rd gen pixel is in 4k model, which I cant afford (I prefer 2k).
The 27” 360Hz QD-OLED panel is third generation already and has the same pixel layout and shape as the 32” 4K panel. The only difference is the pixel density is higher on the 32” panel. Text clarity is improved because of that but until there’s 27” 4K it’s unlikely we’ll see further changes
@@tftcentral I've been considering the 271QRX monitor for over a month, but I'm worried that text fringing might be a problem for me when working. Would you recommend this model over other 27-inch 2K monitors for my lifestyle? Thankyou in advance!
@pandemic4210 I think out of all the 27” OLED panel options, these gen 3 QD-OLED panels are the best for text clarity. You can improve further with a higher pixel density like the 32” 4K models. Have you considered those?
i have samsung G6 oled 360hz, i asked samsung when they will upgrade firmware to decrease input lag and reduce response times on lowered refresh rate... no answer... What to do ?
Hello all! Proud first time OLED user here! I do not have a PC capable of updating the firmware on this monitor. Has the latest patch improved the black crush at all? The entire top row of boxes on lagom's test is completely crushed. I am very surprised there is no mention of Black Crush anywhere in RTINGs review. Very disappointed since the last update was back in May so I was hoping that it would at least come with the latest firmware since I just bought it yesterday from Bestbuy. Came with firmware 0.09 out of the box. How do I know which RGB range the HDMI from the monitor is outputting and how do I change it? Limited (16-235) or Full RGB (0-255) ? Since it's a monitor I am assuing it's 0-255 but I do not see any options in the monitor and my Xbox is set to "standard" RGB so I want to make sure they match. What setting should I use for HDR calibration in the Xbox HDR cailbration menu? RTINGS has this monitor rated for 1000 nits at 2% Peak and 467 nits at 10% Peak. Should I calibrate it for 1000 nits? I am trying to play Hogwarts Legacy and everything seems very dark! My 10+ year old Samsung VA monitor was much brighter! Why are the 50hz and 24hz video modes not available / supported with this monitor in the Xbox settings? Not a big deal but still curious. Where is the best place to get general help and info about this specific monitor? Is there a specific reddit thread , forum or discord available?
which model do you have? You won't be able to update firmware without a PC or laptop i'm afraid to connect it to and install the software. The HDMI connection should auto-detect the input RGB range and set accordingly, but the default would almost certainly be full range 0 - 255. HDR mode brightness is an ongoing issue in the Peak 1000 mode, check out the article linked in the description for info and background. You may find the HDR 400 True Black mode brighter right now. just follow the steps in the Xbox calibration app for configuring brightness on the console, once you've selected whichever mode you want on the monitor.
@@tftcentral Apologies and thank you kindly for the response! I just recently purchased the MPG 271QRX. I will try HDR 400 True Black mode as you suggest. Can you say how many nits I should set in the Xbox HDR calibration menu with this monitor? If you press LB-RB-RT-LT buttons at the same time in the HDR calibration menu, you can see the exact values in Xbox. I have Peak Luminance set to 1000 nits and blacks set to 0. Can I leave it at 1000 nits or do those values need to be changed? Is there a reason why I cannot select 50hz and 24 hz video modes with this monitor? Isn't that weird?
@drakewilliams6069 the visual guidance on the screen with the white boxes is more important than reported numbers, I would suggest following that. If you end up using the TB400 mode instead it will end up being around 450 nits peak
@@tftcentral Alright I did as you suggested and set the monitor to TB400 and HDR looks clear, vivid, vibrant and BEAUTIFUL now in HDR! In the Xbox HDR calibration menu, the image was still visible at 400 nits and disappeared at 450 nits so I left it at 450 nits max luminance. Thank you so much for your help good sir! I still have black crush according to lagom's black level test in SDR but will still need to test how much of an issue that is if at all. I also turned on the refresh rate OSD on the monitor but it only displays the refresh rate I am connected with on the Xbox and not the actual framerate of the game I am currently playing so seems kind of useless. I also turned off all of the OLED care settings in the monitor just in case they were interfering with the image. I just set the Xbox to auto dim after 2 minutes when idle.
@drakewilliams6069 the frame rate counter would only change dynamically if you also have VRR enabled and active on the monitor and Xbox. It should work then. I’d suggest leaving some of the oled care features on to help with image retention mitigation. I don’t think you’d spot any adverse effects in gaming like that
Can you comment on such a problem - in the second day of using the monitor I spent a day using HDMI(laptop), after which switched to my home pc DP (2080Ti, 240Hz, 4K) and started to notice white blocks flashing on any screen. Flashed the FW to 11. After several attempts at addressing the problem I switched the DP to another port in the GPU and the problem seems to have resolved itself (I hope). I wrote this on MSI's forum and got a reply from another person with the same problem and somehow similar resolution.
@@tftcentral it seems like a cable problem, but I had the first day smooth run. I'm still trying to recall maybe I tried hiding the cables or something. But when it started to happen I checked the cable connection a few times (didn't reconnect it, just pushed it to the socket from the monitor side to see maybe it came off a bit... but I didn't try that on the PC side). And the person who responded to my comment, did a bunch of things, last of which was related to reseating the cable. Also, if to google the 321URX with the white blocks/lines... there seem to be quite a few of matches.
@@tftcentral as long as "it's the cable!" I am quite OK. I used the ones that came with the monitor (both DP and HDMI). My first fear was "oh shint, it's a faulty circuitry!". I haven't worked with DP (this monitor is a replacement of a VA monitor, I bought back in 2014... eye/headache issues), so maybe this is just that (although from the fact that DP locks to a port, I would assumed it to be better in terms of reliability).
Ah thanks for a reply. I just checked msi twitter and on their post on 17/08/24 it says their 60hz is now 14.5ms?? How come it’s so much higher than yours.could you check because I would buy it now if it’s that low
That post is based on results from rtings.com, but their figures never seem to make sense. As far as I can tell, their lag figure includes half a frame but I no idea why. Very odd and it always causes confusion as their figures never align with anyone else as a result. The results from their review of the MPG321URX are actually 2.8ms at 240Hz, 5.1ms at 120Hz and 13.5ms at 60Hz and so at 60Hz that’s 8.33ms, plus the actual signal processing lag and delay of the monitor which would therefore be 5.17ms, which is very close then to our figure. At 240Hz that would be 2.08ms from the half of a single frame leaving 0.72ms of actual lag, again very close
Picked up my MPG321URX 2 weeks ago. Came to you guys to grab your optimised settings - ua-cam.com/video/wiFuqjXqWxw/v-deo.html 2 things of note 1 - MSI need to implement a toggle in the gaming intelligence settings so it doesn't autoload with windows (after you're set up the need to change things is greatly reduced) 2 - if the panel protect pop up irks you like it did me (I died during a ranked game) change the panel protect from auto to 16hrs. This will avoid the pop but, when you shut your pc down once it's been asleep for 10 minutes if the monitor needed to do panel care (ie, it's been on for more than 4 hours since last care regardless of the auto/16hr setting) it will turn it self on, do the care sweep, then go back to sleep. This is ideal as it's non intrusive unless you game for 16hrs in a hit in which case there is something else you need to worry about.
Currently experiencing a issue with my 341CQP if anyone knows a solution or can guide me on what to do. The issue is with the KVM, when I connect both my mouse and keyboard into the USB ports in the display when the display goes to sleep I am not able to wake it back up, its like the USB ports also go into sleep. The USB upstream is also connected. Any suggestions would be appreciated
@@hassanpiracha1961 yeah that works but unfortunately it’s rather tedious to do since when my peripherals are connected to my pc I can just press anything and the screen wakes back up
Please refer manual on page 16 and modify "Auto Scan" to OFF. 2.Please refer manual on page 19 and modify "Power Button" to Standby. This is the official fix. I have the same issue I will try it too
@@hassanpiracha1961 hey, I tried this out and indeed it works as I was hoping now the mouse and keyboard wake up the screen from standby. Thank you so much
Do not install FW 025 on MAG 341CQP - color banding is awful on this firmware. Stay on/upgrade to FW 017. The good thing is that FW can be rolled back from 025 to 017.
@tftcentral I am not the only one with this problem. At least two other reddit users also had to roll back the firmware update. Googling "Gradient bending MSI 341CQP" will take you to reddit post. Link in the comments will take you to my comparison photo of 017 vs 025
I have the MS321URX. Updated to the latest firmware FW11: Issues I have are: 1: turning off DSC- when trying to activate HDR. It doesn’t work. The problem is still there at least in my panel. Also, turning off DSC makes the colors really weird at 120hz refresh rate. When I switch the refresh rate to 60hz, they look better but still weird. 2. My panel still shows adaptive sync and not the free sync premium pro. Can anyone provide a fix or Solution to this?
@@tftcentral it worked. I had to download the INf driver file from 321urx driver page, then I had to go to device manager>monitors>update driver. Now it shows the certification.
@@tftcentral Or that ridiculously sized bloatware package has too many do nothing loops in it to get anything done in reasonable time... I mean installation package of whole Windows XP operating system was of that size.
Hi, I'm considering getting a QD-Oled (Msi 321urx). My room is usually fairly dim (15-25 lux), would this result in noticeable black level raising or magenta?
I have only owned the msi271qrx for one day so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have a window directly off to the side of the monitor and even during the day the Blacks are fine. Blacks will always appear better in a dim lighting environment but even during the day an OLED should have better blacks than a VA or IPS panel and have perfect viewing angles. QD OLED screens should only turn Magenta if you have light beaming directly onto the monitor. My understanding is that W OLED can get brighter but QD OLED have more vibrant colors. However even anything over 450 nits bright screen will cause you to squint from the brightness in a dim room so even QD OLEDs should be plenty bright enough! If you are planning to do a lot of reading, OLED monitors can have some color fringing. I find my IPS panel monitor easier to read text however I bought my OLED for gaming so this is not a problem for me. Hope this helps!
Their biggest mistake was not producing enough monitors seeing as the demand is pretty high. From a support perspective MSI really has been killing it lately.
Can u do test on the 321 UPX with firmware 0.19, would like to know if that has better 60hz latency, the patch notes say it's improved but be good if u can test
Wow this is funny. asus support said that on pg32ucdm a 19ms input lag on 60hz is "normal" - wonder WHat will they tell now when on msi you will get 4-5ms with 60hz refresh rate. asus...
And Asus be charging a hecken premium too. I have the MSI MAG 321UPX which is the cheaper version of the 321URX and just updated to FW.019 which also included input lag. Definitely gonna buy another MSI monitor in the future, possibly Gigabyte too!
ASUS OLEDS HAVE HORRIBLE latency. Jumped from a XB273U NX 275 hz 1440p GSYNC module to OLED 1440 240 hz XG27AQDMG and the click latency and screen latency is horrible. It’s for sure the monitor. Or the cheap scaler they use. I wonder if the PG OLED 240 hz has a better controller. People laughed at gsync modules, but they are just superior!
@@Multimeter1 BIG LETTERS. all of the qd-oleds gen.3 tech panels comes from smas-u-ng - all vendors do have exactly the same latency with 240hz. as fot g-sync module - it is actually removing vrr-flicker (somewhat) from qd-oled aw3423dw (go reat t-rings review). ips with dedicated g-sunc are great - but ips glow, no hdr abd back light back light b-le-ed is a BIG problem.
@@Multimeter1 better latency with this module only for ips-va tech - that is true. for oled this module is useless - exept making vrr flickering less agressive.
Would you be able to ask MSI for updates on firmware for MAG 271QPX ? I and many others bought it BECAUSE we were promised that it will have firmware updates too, but so far there wasnt any since june, and even that one was very minor and didnt fix a lot of things! for example: we dont even have something as simple as ability to turn off power LED, let alone get meaningfull firmware improvements to how screen works itself (lag, hdr calibration etc) Thanks!
Whoa since when MSI cared about their customer's experience? Should've chosen MSI over Dell but hey, at least Dell was $300 cheaper. You get what you pay for....
An OLED gaming monitor with no strobing mode is a complete waste of money. People are idiot and gaming hardware reviewers don't know what they're talking about. What's the point of perfect response times when you see nothing but persistance blur anyway?!?!? Huge freaking scam.
1) not everyone wants or likes strobing behaviour and the sacrifices that entails. 2) motion clarity can be excellent on high refresh rate OLED screens anyway, certainly adequate for many users. I like BFI on OLED and can see its value, but labelling every screen without it as “a waste of money” is daft
Love some actual testing of brightness to see if anything has changed in sdr or hdr on 32 model
they've not made any changes to that yet, but are working on HDR Peak 1000 mode EOTF and brightness
Please do msi 321up
With this update, could you also conform if known as it wasnt disclosed in your article if the MPG 491CQPX QD-OLED monitor is available in the UK? Distributors are suggesting it's specific to the Asian markets.
Thanks and regards,
Jonathan
I was hoping you'd clarify point number 3 "Fixed Panel Protect abnormal behavior while the "Power Button" option is set to standby." for the 321URX. On my first unit I remember never seeing the Panel Protect window as I wasn't using my monitor more than 4hrs daily. On my second unit which I instantly updated to FW11, when Panel Protect set to Auto, the screen wouldn't do a Pixel Refresh on standby. It would only do Pixel Refresh if the monitor was on, except if I would have clicked "Later" when the window would appear. But now when I've selected "16hr", the screen will do Pixel Refresh after 4hrs of consecutive use after the monitor is in Stand-by mode (more or less like an LG TV). I would personally have hoped that the monitor does a Pixel Refresh every time the monitor goes into Standby, regardless of how long it's been turned on.
Will the inproved input lag positively impact games that lock your frame-rate at 60fps? I'm thinking about Fighting Games like Tekken 8 for example - where your refresh rate in Windows is still 360hz (271QRX) but the game is capped at 60fps to maintain and preserve frame data in a competitive environment. Thanks and yet another great video.
The even lower 360Hz lag would apply in that situation anyway, so you're all good. If you set windows refresh rate to 60Hz to align with the game, then the new 60Hz lag number would apply
no
Just stay at 360Hz while playing your game at 60fps.
And no the input lag improvement is not that massive, it just might help in clutch situations.
Human lag is still the biggest lag that you could improve more than your OLED monitor ever could.
The moment they release the update for the peak 1000 mode is when this monitor will be perfect.
Thanks for another great video TFT! I’ve been using the 271qrx and loving it coming from IPS1080p. One thing Ive found is sometimes the monitor doesn’t recognize when HDR is on or off in Ps5 or windows. Other than it’s been great.
Strange, I haven't noticed that at all myself during all our testing. Does it do that over HDMI only, or DP too?
How about the MAG 321Up? (165hz)
I have that one too bro i use it for my ps5 and while it does look good as it should its definitely too dark in HDR .. version 009 , i was told by an msi tech i could update it with the utility from there site , they have now removed that utility download although i still actually have the file i dont currently have a pc to try and update it
@@jonnozI have .009, as of yesterday they deleted the utility… but they never posted the actual FW file…. Do you have the Utility to send me? I’d like to test out a way to update.. I have Mac as my main, but a tiny windows box for FW updates.. let me know would appreciate it 🙏🏽
@@AJCoReTV i think my reply just got automatically deleted guessing im not allowed to post a link on here ? I have a download link from msi that still works do u have reddit bro ? I just replied to someone on there with the same issue as us
@@jonnoz I’ll reply there… yes that’s me
Please be honest, is this a budget model? I like high end PQ, no black crush etc
Have there been no significant FW updates from Gigabyte or Alienware for their QDs?
Could you look at the TCL 27R83U, it's a 27" 4k 160hz HVA FALD with 1000+ dimming zones and very impressive HDR luminance.
Gigabyte have released a few minor updates but nothing big
I had this monitor. It is good, the blooming is minimal. Brightness is super but the monitor get so hot. Hot on touch actually. And monitor got stucked many times, especially when i was switching from a tv to the display. The screen was not responsive. The osd was slow also. I saw a shadow near cursor with every overdrive settings for response time. Also, no firmware updates. This is TCL 27r83u
Thanks TFTCentral! Between 321urx and aw3225qf, which is more color accurate in hdr and sdr? Which has better gamma tracking? I keep hearing MSI oversaturated hdr and is too dark gamma in sdr? When I do lagom black level test for MSI, the squares 1-6 I can’t see in sdr but in hdr it looks washed out? On aw3225qf I can’t see square 1 but rest I can see in both hdr and sdr
probably best to have a read through the review of the AW3225QF and the video of the MPG 321URX to pick out the parts that are relevant., although if you've got both then i guess you can decide which you prefer anyway?
I know in ur review for the MSI there’s a delta of 4-5 in hdr but in other reviews like monitors unboxed I see delta e of 7-15. Idk which to trust. I also seen that aw targets srgb gamma whereas MSI targets 2.2?
Great update, I want this monitor for Dual Use Photo Editing and Gaming.
I need to know how I can white balance this monitor and test / calibrate for Adobe RGB color space. MSI claims 97% Adobe RGR color space and has a control in the Pro Section to set it. MSI Tech Support in US doesn’t seem to know anything about this and doesn’t seem to have any documentation on factory calibration or how to calibrate the unit. I suspect the 321URX 32” has hardware based calibration but it could be locked. I have Pro level calibrator. They sent me the Manual but there was no documentation on calibrating for any color space etc..
Also can you download ICC Color Profile Software for this specific monitor?
I replied to your other comment about this so have a look there too. This screen does not support hardware level calibration, you will only be able to software profile the screen with your device
No updates for 271QPX?
He probably didn’t include it because qrx and qpx are the same thing just different hz lol
@@Arctioa They are both 360Hz...
@@razorgcy you are on drugs m8
@@Arctioa Don't confuse it with 271QPX E2, "mate"!
@@ArctioaYou are incorrect. The older E2 model is 240hz. The new MAG 271QPX is 360hz
My biggest issue with the 32 4k 240hz. I need to make sure to set DSC to off before I turn it off, because my PC for some reason when it restarts doesn't see it as active. And turning it off and on can cause issues when it's switching. Other then that, this monitor is the best one Ive ever used before and Im quite happy I purchased it.
What's kinda crazy is the non firmware one was only like $50 cheaper when I was buying this in Canada, so it made the non firmware one look like such a bad deal considering all the updates MSI has already put into these things LOL
i returned mine because i had the same power issue and couldn't fix it lol
VERY GOOD video, thanks so much for your time and effort providing this awesome content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for this. Also can you guys give the input lag on the new update when the new update comes. Sometimes companies fix one thing and ruin another. Input lag for the msi271qrx
Hello) Did you notice flickering with VRR on? Especially in Silent hill 2 (2024). It is only pain with Msi mpg 321urx. Thanks for your review)
Currently have the 34CQPX and absolutely love it. First OLED monitor that I am using for both gaming and (silly enough) productivity. Such an absolute purchase.
how is the text looking? any noticeable fringing? im between the 27" MPG 271QRX and the 34" wide 341CQPX. ive seen videos on the text on the 27" and it looks great. but it uses the gen 3 panel, so im worried how it looks on the gen 1. do u even notice it sitting 2-3 feet away from the screen?
hey, do you have like a 7sec delay when minmizing out of games? i got mine and its doing that
That’s an NVIDIA bug with DSC usage, not specific to this screen I’m afraid
@@tftcentral ohh okidoki good to know, thanks
Firmware FW.012 dropped on the 13th for the 271QRX. Sadly no EOTF fixes yet it seems.
do these monitors support downgrading the fw?
@@tobias2873 I don't know sorry.
@tobias2873 not sure what would happen if you tried an older version, but I expect it would work. Why would you need to though?
Hey, great video. I was wondering whether you tested the input lag on DP or HDMI with DSC enabled. Or did you do both. Did you find a big latency with hdmi?
It was all tested with DP. I doubt there’s any difference using HDMI, but we haven’t measured it I’m afraid
@@tftcentral i see, thanks for your response. Do you know how the latency compares to the alienware aw2725df
Check our review for that model on the main site 🙂
@@tftcentral oh nice I didn't know you also had a website. Thanks!
@Idris-x1w no worries. Yeah the website has been going a lot longer, the UA-cam channel is a newer spin off 🙂
When is rhe 49inch firmware update coming out?
What about the 271QPX model?
Not one we’ve tested I’m afraid
Very helpfull info, thanks.
Does it matter DP vs HDMI 2.1? For a GPU supporting both? I mean in terms of input lag and processing times as well as VRR performance. I have a 4090 and MSI 32 inch 4k 240hz OLED monitor
no none at all,
I just got this monitor today..does it come with the most recent firmware update out of the box? Still trying to get familiar with the settings.
Unlikely. You can check the bottom right hand corner of the menu (quite faint) to see which version is installed now
@tftcentral thank you. I'll look into how to do it. I believe I just need the DP cable to connect the pc, and download the MSI program.
Yep pretty much. We cover it in this video too
@tftcentral one last question..you've been real helpful. Do i download the latest firmware or all of the other versions before as well. Thank you!!
@vikb13 just the latest 🙂
i just bought the MSI MPG 271QRX yesterday do i have to update the software now or its already installled ?
Check what’s listed in the bottom right hand corner of the menu and then update from there if it’s older. I suspect it will be on an old version and need an upgrade
It keeps saying update fail
You use DP or HDMI? MSI says strictly DP for FW update@@o413jose
hello, I want to ask if all the firmwares need to be installed one by one, or is the latest FW.011 enough?
Latest one includes all previous updates too so just install that
awesome update for those playing on console!
The rest of qpx line up not being able to receive firmware updates is criminal
Hey, do you know if MSI mag 271QPX QD-OLED E2 (240hz ver) has similar input lag issues as the monitors in this video?
How can I check it?
had the 011 firmware on my MPG 271QRX for a couple of days and had to downgrade to 010 again, because the 011 version was causing BSODs.
after every pixel refresh cycle my graphics driver (RTX 4090, Windows 10) kept crashing repeatedly until a BSOD occured.
no issues whatsoever with the 010 firmware.
You can downgrade firmware?
hello do yhou have the best setting updae for this monitor ? especially the 271qrx
The existing best settings guides are still relevant and up to date 😀
MAG 321UP no update sadly
But that doesn't have a USB b port. How would it get updated anyways?
@@DealerofDoom it does have a usbc
Hello is it still the best settings for the MSI 27" MPG 271QRX from your video you made 15th of march or has it changed? :D
Still the same guide 😀
msi271qpx qd oled e2 owner. im on FW.019 Firmware, i didnt get a USBA TO USBB cable , on their website i can only see 2 Firmware SOP an Scaler - Firmware. how do i go about this THANK YOU
The latest firmware for the MAG 271QPX QD-OLED E2 appears to be firmware FW.022. This monitor does not have USBB ports which is why the USBB cable is not included. You will need to connect this monitor to PC via Displayport and update the monitor that way.
I think QD OLED 4k 240hz can do 1080p 480hz
If Samsung makes it work
Great video, however I feel you missed an important metric in the input latency test for the MSI MAG 271QPX and 32 inch version. Specifically the input latency at 120Hz (Specifically over HDMi) This is important as we would like to know the difference between 240Hz PC and Console 120Hz input latency (as MANY there many games that do run at 120FPS on Xbox S/X and PlayStation 5)
At the moment we don’t have a reliable way to measure lag at 120Hz I’m afraid which is why it was omitted
Doesn't matter for consoles u aint going pro lmaoo
Quick question, is there a color temperature modifier in HDR mode? I honestly do not enjoy Warm2 preset (even tho its more accurate)
How can I update the firmware on the Mag 271qpx?
I have the MAG 321UPX QD-OLED and need to update the firmware. The MSI gaming intelligence download only has an option for windows 11 and I'm still using 10 and don't want to switch. Is there a windows 10 version? Thanks
Have you tried it to see if it works? I imagine it is fine for Win10 too
@@tftcentral I will try it. Thanks for the response.
Recently got the 27in. For firmware update it says to connect via display port. I assume that using a USB C to DP adapter when connecting to my laptop should be fine ?
qpx version still lagging behind?
Why can't we use HDMI for the Firmware Update?
not sure tbh as i'd expect the signal to be sent over the USB connection, unless it causes crashes and video signal issues while it's updating or when it's finished. The MSI guidance says you need to use DP so for safety I'd stick with that
Wish they fixed the coil whine somehow, returning my 341cqpx cause of it, not a rare issue looking online
341cqp is silent
So when in playing call of duty now at 240 fps i should set my hz on 240 and not on 360 to get less input lag? Or can i keep 360hz and cap the game at 220fps?
Keep windows active refresh rate at the native max for the lowest lag
am i just seeing things?or do i see a purple tint on the monitor?i thought purple only happens on blacks and dont affect the overall picture in lit rooms.
Purple tint affects all pixels on a QD OLED
Keep in mind also the B roll was filmed under fairly bright directed studio lighting
You don't see the tint under operation.
Why is the processing lag for fixed 60hz so high (and pretty much across all monitor brands) ?
I'm not sure of the technical challenges, but a lot of the time the screens are just not optimised for non-native refresh rates, and it's given very little focus. you can see from these FW updates what is possible when manufacturer do spend time trying to improve things though, so it must be possible to improve - to a point. These high refresh rate screens aren't really designed for low refresh rate devices a lot of the time either
Would be nice if you could bug Asus to fix the EOTF issues with the HDR brightness 100 on the XG27AQDMG. It looks horrible in HDR movies and series. highlight posterization and dark scenes become pitch black.
Does this also apply to the 240hz E2 model?
Not sure as we’ve not tested that. Their firmware change log on their support page should confirm what they’ve changed and updated though
@tftcentral thank you. Will your calibration settings apply to the E2 do you think? I believe it is the same tech, just different refresh.
@Tw33die84 some of the general settings should be fine but the brightness and RGB levels are likely to be different
Do you have any info when will they release 27in 2k 3rd gen qd-oled? Im a programmer and also a gamer but all the OLED monitor in the market are having text fringe problem. And all 3rd gen pixel is in 4k model, which I cant afford (I prefer 2k).
The 27” 360Hz QD-OLED panel is third generation already and has the same pixel layout and shape as the 32” 4K panel. The only difference is the pixel density is higher on the 32” panel. Text clarity is improved because of that but until there’s 27” 4K it’s unlikely we’ll see further changes
@@tftcentral I've been considering the 271QRX monitor for over a month, but I'm worried that text fringing might be a problem for me when working. Would you recommend this model over other 27-inch 2K monitors for my lifestyle? Thankyou in advance!
@pandemic4210 I think out of all the 27” OLED panel options, these gen 3 QD-OLED panels are the best for text clarity. You can improve further with a higher pixel density like the 32” 4K models. Have you considered those?
i have samsung G6 oled 360hz, i asked samsung when they will upgrade firmware to decrease input lag and reduce response times on lowered refresh rate... no answer... What to do ?
What situations are you using it for lower refresh rates?
It should already have as low input lag as these, if RTings measurements are to be believed.
Is there winner out of these two?.. AORUS FO32U2 or the MPG 321URX? Thanks
What’s the price of both where you are?
@@tftcentral Hey!! MSI £1200 - AORUS - £1280
@@tftcentral OH the Aorus is the P version with DP 2.1 by the way
should i use dsc with xbox series x? playing fps games
No reason to disable it at all for Xbox
@@tftcentral thank you. last question, should i enable pc rgb instead of standard on xbox?
@BeyoRobins I don’t think so, no
This 32 msi urx caused me bad eye strain, anybody get his ?
Is the response on this better than the aw3423dw?
Response times are basically the same for all OLED screens, near instant
@@tftcentral Okay cool so in that case gsync ultimate really doesn't matter either?
That is a bit different. It has some benefits when it comes to VRR flicker in gaming from the comparisons and tests we’ve seen
@@tftcentral sounds good to me thank you. I'll take the 8 bit 175 from aw just fine!
Hello all! Proud first time OLED user here!
I do not have a PC capable of updating the firmware on this monitor. Has the latest patch improved the black crush at all? The entire top row of boxes on lagom's test is completely crushed. I am very surprised there is no mention of Black Crush anywhere in RTINGs review. Very disappointed since the last update was back in May so I was hoping that it would at least come with the latest firmware since I just bought it yesterday from Bestbuy. Came with firmware 0.09 out of the box.
How do I know which RGB range the HDMI from the monitor is outputting and how do I change it? Limited (16-235) or Full RGB (0-255) ? Since it's a monitor I am assuing it's 0-255 but I do not see any options in the monitor and my Xbox is set to "standard" RGB so I want to make sure they match.
What setting should I use for HDR calibration in the Xbox HDR cailbration menu? RTINGS has this monitor rated for 1000 nits at 2% Peak and 467 nits at 10% Peak. Should I calibrate it for 1000 nits? I am trying to play Hogwarts Legacy and everything seems very dark! My 10+ year old Samsung VA monitor was much brighter!
Why are the 50hz and 24hz video modes not available / supported with this monitor in the Xbox settings? Not a big deal but still curious.
Where is the best place to get general help and info about this specific monitor? Is there a specific reddit thread , forum or discord available?
which model do you have? You won't be able to update firmware without a PC or laptop i'm afraid to connect it to and install the software.
The HDMI connection should auto-detect the input RGB range and set accordingly, but the default would almost certainly be full range 0 - 255.
HDR mode brightness is an ongoing issue in the Peak 1000 mode, check out the article linked in the description for info and background. You may find the HDR 400 True Black mode brighter right now. just follow the steps in the Xbox calibration app for configuring brightness on the console, once you've selected whichever mode you want on the monitor.
@@tftcentral Apologies and thank you kindly for the response! I just recently purchased the MPG 271QRX.
I will try HDR 400 True Black mode as you suggest. Can you say how many nits I should set in the Xbox HDR calibration menu with this monitor? If you press LB-RB-RT-LT buttons at the same time in the HDR calibration menu, you can see the exact values in Xbox. I have Peak Luminance set to 1000 nits and blacks set to 0. Can I leave it at 1000 nits or do those values need to be changed?
Is there a reason why I cannot select 50hz and 24 hz video modes with this monitor? Isn't that weird?
@drakewilliams6069 the visual guidance on the screen with the white boxes is more important than reported numbers, I would suggest following that. If you end up using the TB400 mode instead it will end up being around 450 nits peak
@@tftcentral Alright I did as you suggested and set the monitor to TB400 and HDR looks clear, vivid, vibrant and BEAUTIFUL now in HDR! In the Xbox HDR calibration menu, the image was still visible at 400 nits and disappeared at 450 nits so I left it at 450 nits max luminance. Thank you so much for your help good sir!
I still have black crush according to lagom's black level test in SDR but will still need to test how much of an issue that is if at all. I also turned on the refresh rate OSD on the monitor but it only displays the refresh rate I am connected with on the Xbox and not the actual framerate of the game I am currently playing so seems kind of useless. I also turned off all of the OLED care settings in the monitor just in case they were interfering with the image. I just set the Xbox to auto dim after 2 minutes when idle.
@drakewilliams6069 the frame rate counter would only change dynamically if you also have VRR enabled and active on the monitor and Xbox. It should work then. I’d suggest leaving some of the oled care features on to help with image retention mitigation. I don’t think you’d spot any adverse effects in gaming like that
My 271qrx is on fw 0.19. Came stock like this. Anyone got it too
Can you comment on such a problem - in the second day of using the monitor I spent a day using HDMI(laptop), after which switched to my home pc DP (2080Ti, 240Hz, 4K) and started to notice white blocks flashing on any screen. Flashed the FW to 11. After several attempts at addressing the problem I switched the DP to another port in the GPU and the problem seems to have resolved itself (I hope). I wrote this on MSI's forum and got a reply from another person with the same problem and somehow similar resolution.
Strange but generally in my experience when you get image artefacts it’s down to the cable
@@tftcentral it seems like a cable problem, but I had the first day smooth run. I'm still trying to recall maybe I tried hiding the cables or something. But when it started to happen I checked the cable connection a few times (didn't reconnect it, just pushed it to the socket from the monitor side to see maybe it came off a bit... but I didn't try that on the PC side). And the person who responded to my comment, did a bunch of things, last of which was related to reseating the cable. Also, if to google the 321URX with the white blocks/lines... there seem to be quite a few of matches.
@TheDeadStyx I more mean the quality and length of the cable being a problem, even some which are advertised as top end can struggle I’ve found
@@tftcentral as long as "it's the cable!" I am quite OK. I used the ones that came with the monitor (both DP and HDMI). My first fear was "oh shint, it's a faulty circuitry!". I haven't worked with DP (this monitor is a replacement of a VA monitor, I bought back in 2014... eye/headache issues), so maybe this is just that (although from the fact that DP locks to a port, I would assumed it to be better in terms of reliability).
What’s the Input lag for the mpg321URX at 120hz for console
Sorry we don’t have a reliable way to measure that at this time but I’d expect it to be in between the native and 60Hz figure
Ah thanks for a reply. I just checked msi twitter and on their post on 17/08/24 it says their 60hz is now 14.5ms?? How come it’s so much higher than yours.could you check because I would buy it now if it’s that low
That post is based on results from rtings.com, but their figures never seem to make sense. As far as I can tell, their lag figure includes half a frame but I no idea why. Very odd and it always causes confusion as their figures never align with anyone else as a result.
The results from their review of the MPG321URX are actually 2.8ms at 240Hz, 5.1ms at 120Hz and 13.5ms at 60Hz
and so at 60Hz that’s 8.33ms, plus the actual signal processing lag and delay of the monitor which would therefore be 5.17ms, which is very close then to our figure.
At 240Hz that would be 2.08ms from the half of a single frame leaving 0.72ms of actual lag, again very close
Picked up my MPG321URX 2 weeks ago.
Came to you guys to grab your optimised settings - ua-cam.com/video/wiFuqjXqWxw/v-deo.html
2 things of note
1 - MSI need to implement a toggle in the gaming intelligence settings so it doesn't autoload with windows (after you're set up the need to change things is greatly reduced)
2 - if the panel protect pop up irks you like it did me (I died during a ranked game) change the panel protect from auto to 16hrs. This will avoid the pop but, when you shut your pc down once it's been asleep for 10 minutes if the monitor needed to do panel care (ie, it's been on for more than 4 hours since last care regardless of the auto/16hr setting) it will turn it self on, do the care sweep, then go back to sleep. This is ideal as it's non intrusive unless you game for 16hrs in a hit in which case there is something else you need to worry about.
Currently experiencing a issue with my 341CQP if anyone knows a solution or can guide me on what to do. The issue is with the KVM, when I connect both my mouse and keyboard into the USB ports in the display when the display goes to sleep I am not able to wake it back up, its like the USB ports also go into sleep. The USB upstream is also connected. Any suggestions would be appreciated
Did you try tuning off the monitor and back on again?
@@hassanpiracha1961 yeah that works but unfortunately it’s rather tedious to do since when my peripherals are connected to my pc I can just press anything and the screen wakes back up
Please refer manual on page 16 and modify "Auto Scan" to OFF.
2.Please refer manual on page 19 and modify "Power Button" to Standby. This is the official fix. I have the same issue I will try it too
@@hassanpiracha1961 I’ll try that thank you !
@@hassanpiracha1961 hey, I tried this out and indeed it works as I was hoping now the mouse and keyboard wake up the screen from standby. Thank you so much
Do not install FW 025 on MAG 341CQP - color banding is awful on this firmware. Stay on/upgrade to FW 017. The good thing is that FW can be rolled back from 025 to 017.
We didn’t experience that in our testing
@tftcentral I am not the only one with this problem. At least two other reddit users also had to roll back the firmware update. Googling "Gradient bending MSI 341CQP" will take you to reddit post. Link in the comments will take you to my comparison photo of 017 vs 025
@@tftcentral I do not know how was this tested but firmware 028 fixes the issue. From the changelog: "3. Fixed Color Banding phenomenon."
My g
I have the MS321URX. Updated to the latest firmware FW11:
Issues I have are:
1: turning off DSC- when trying to activate HDR. It doesn’t work. The problem is still there at least in my panel. Also, turning off DSC makes the colors really weird at 120hz refresh rate. When I switch the refresh rate to 60hz, they look better but still weird.
2. My panel still shows adaptive sync and not the free sync premium pro.
Can anyone provide a fix or
Solution to this?
After the firmware update I would recommend doing a screen reset in the menu too. See if that helps with any of it?
@@tftcentral didn’t help. Don’t know if it helped anyone else. Any way to roll back to previous driver and do the update again?
@@tftcentral it worked. I had to download the INf driver file from 321urx driver page, then I had to go to device manager>monitors>update driver. Now it shows the certification.
@@tftcentral DSC off HDR on is working but only on HDMI not on DP. Shouldn’t it work on both?
It should work on both, yes. It worked fine for me on an RTX 3090
9 minutes to apply a 1 MB update? That's slower than writing to a floppy disk!
haha, true but i guess writing to a scaler takes a while. i've seen longer on other screens too
Maybe it uses some PLC Flash with analog 32 voltage levels...
@@tftcentral Or that ridiculously sized bloatware package has too many do nothing loops in it to get anything done in reasonable time...
I mean installation package of whole Windows XP operating system was of that size.
Hi, I'm considering getting a QD-Oled (Msi 321urx). My room is usually fairly dim (15-25 lux), would this result in noticeable black level raising or magenta?
THiS. I’m so trying to figure out if I want QD or W OLED
I have only owned the msi271qrx for one day so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have a window directly off to the side of the monitor and even during the day the Blacks are fine. Blacks will always appear better in a dim lighting environment but even during the day an OLED should have better blacks than a VA or IPS panel and have perfect viewing angles. QD OLED screens should only turn Magenta if you have light beaming directly onto the monitor.
My understanding is that W OLED can get brighter but QD OLED have more vibrant colors. However even anything over 450 nits bright screen will cause you to squint from the brightness in a dim room so even QD OLEDs should be plenty bright enough!
If you are planning to do a lot of reading, OLED monitors can have some color fringing. I find my IPS panel monitor easier to read text however I bought my OLED for gaming so this is not a problem for me. Hope this helps!
@@drakewilliams6069 ty
I expect you’d be perfectly fine in those conditions
How would one know how bright their environment is in lux?
bro, i regret buying the asus model even more now 😒
Which Asus model do you have and why do you regret it? The MSI monitor is a budget monitor and has major black crush issues.
@drakewilliams6069 I would love to know this too, not bought yet. I can't decide
Their biggest mistake was not producing enough monitors seeing as the demand is pretty high. From a support perspective MSI really has been killing it lately.
Can u do test on the 321 UPX with firmware 0.19, would like to know if that has better 60hz latency, the patch notes say it's improved but be good if u can test
They should update their osd, its layout is so bad
I think it’s fine personally. Seen a lot worse!
Wow this is funny. asus support said that on pg32ucdm a 19ms input lag on 60hz is "normal" - wonder WHat will they tell now when on msi you will get 4-5ms with 60hz refresh rate. asus...
And Asus be charging a hecken premium too. I have the MSI MAG 321UPX which is the cheaper version of the 321URX and just updated to FW.019 which also included input lag. Definitely gonna buy another MSI monitor in the future, possibly Gigabyte too!
ASUS OLEDS HAVE HORRIBLE latency. Jumped from a XB273U NX 275 hz 1440p GSYNC module to OLED 1440 240 hz XG27AQDMG and the click latency and screen latency is horrible. It’s for sure the monitor. Or the cheap scaler they use. I wonder if the PG OLED 240 hz has a better controller. People laughed at gsync modules, but they are just superior!
@@Multimeter1 BIG LETTERS. all of the qd-oleds gen.3 tech panels comes from smas-u-ng - all vendors do have exactly the same latency with 240hz. as fot g-sync module - it is actually removing vrr-flicker (somewhat) from qd-oled aw3423dw (go reat t-rings review). ips with dedicated g-sunc are great - but ips glow, no hdr abd back light back light b-le-ed is a BIG problem.
@@ALFGamingTVnot true Gsync modules gives better latency for in games. I tested this already and did blind testing with 5 other people
@@Multimeter1 better latency with this module only for ips-va tech - that is true. for oled this module is useless - exept making vrr flickering less agressive.
Would you be able to ask MSI for updates on firmware for MAG 271QPX ?
I and many others bought it BECAUSE we were promised that it will have firmware updates too, but so far there wasnt any since june, and even that one was very minor and didnt fix a lot of things!
for example: we dont even have something as simple as ability to turn off power LED, let alone get meaningfull firmware improvements to how screen works itself (lag, hdr calibration etc)
Thanks!
Do you know how to update the firmware of the MSI MAG 271QPX?
they released the new firmware today, but I don't know how to update it on the MSI MAG 271QPX
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Whoa since when MSI cared about their customer's experience? Should've chosen MSI over Dell but hey, at least Dell was $300 cheaper. You get what you pay for....
Total junk... Worked for 3 minutes..
What did?
An OLED gaming monitor with no strobing mode is a complete waste of money. People are idiot and gaming hardware reviewers don't know what they're talking about. What's the point of perfect response times when you see nothing but persistance blur anyway?!?!?
Huge freaking scam.
1) not everyone wants or likes strobing behaviour and the sacrifices that entails. 2) motion clarity can be excellent on high refresh rate OLED screens anyway, certainly adequate for many users.
I like BFI on OLED and can see its value, but labelling every screen without it as “a waste of money” is daft
Let’s go asus. Udcm let’s go