Charger Compatibility | How The MG4 Handles Tesla Superchargers
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2023
- When I was out filming, I came across a fan of the channel trying to get their MG4 to connect to a Tesla V3 supercharger. But, as I soon learned, the experience is not always seemless. However, it was a very useful learning experience.
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Thanks Dave from Mark an MG4 man.
A growing band of drivers, thanks for the comment
I received my MG4 SE on Friday and my first charge was at the Flint Tesla Superchargers and was a doddle via the Tesla app unlike my failure to charge on a CCS charger in Snowdonia. Looking forward to Tesla Supercharger on the way home!
Glad to hear it’s going well
@@davetakesiton Going well for me too. I happened to be having a meal at the Dakota Eurocentral, and found myself parked right opposite the recently-opened superchargers. I literally only had to reverse about 20 yards straight, and I was on a charger, so I did it. I had already set the app up, some time ago, and it was simple to select the charger, initiate a charge, and plug in. It said it might take up to two minutes to start charging, but in fact it started within a few seconds. (I didn't actually need a charge, I stopped it after a few minutes, but Elon got a fiver from me!)
I'll definitely seek out these chargers when I'm out on the road.
I'm new to your channel Dave but liking your content a lot. Thanks for interesting content. Mike
thnx dave australia & myself are leaning valuable info from you !
Hey, didn't know the internet reached that far, great to hear from you and thanks for the comments
Very good
I’ll be charging up my MG4 at Trentham in about ten days time so a useful and very timely vid. Thanks !
It's a lovely place to stop, you must have a wander along the shops.
Charging away from home needs to be cheaper, if say we can charge off peak at 7.5p-10p and the price cap is 27p why on earth are companies like instavolt charging 85p. I get there is a cost to installing and upkeep of the charger but it's just too costly
Businesses never has the energy price cap though - some were paying 90p.
@bordersw1239 yeah forgot about that but at a time where energy prices fell instavolt took this opportunity to raise prices 🙄
They will have to lower prices to compete with Tesla, thanks to CCS.@@v1nnyc
That last comment Dave I couldn’t of put it better myself. After all that’s what Tesla is first and foremost a technology company and a car company second. Great video. Come on Elon get those V4 chargers in A.S.A.P. please.
Who's going to upgrade the supply grid enough to be able to power all these chargers, and who's going to pay for that? And where is all the electricity going to come from Butterfly farts???
@@pertwee9376 The country is already past peak electricity demand. Low-energy light bulbs and in particular changing to low energy street lights has left a lot of surplus in the system. Anyone working for the National Grid will tell you there's plenty power available for all the EVs we can drive.
Certain sites need to have upgraded local connections, but it was ever thus, as new demands come on line. Nothing unusual there. In difficult sites there's an alternative - install a bank of static batteries, often repurposed EV batteries whose cars have rusted around them, charge them up at quiet periods and have plenty there for busy periods.
Where's the electricity coming from? Same places it comes from for all other purposes, as I said power-saving devices have reduced demand in other areas. And this is the great thing. As the grid gets greener, as it is gradually doing, with fossil fuels being replaced by solar, wind and tide, EVs become greener. ICE cars carry right on buring fossil fuels though.
Good vid Dave.
Thanks its nice to be appreciated
Tesla Is King,Nice One Dave 👍😉💪
I think Tesla is just stretching its legs and flexing its muscles, there's much more to come
Great video Dave, really enjoyed the topic and learned from it regarding Tesla chargers, thank you… 👍🏻
It is excellent to know the EV community out there can be a helpful bunch… ✅
I must now get out there and try a charging session at a Tesla station, already downloaded the app and impressed so far… 🔋
Really great to hear. Thanks for your support, good luck with your first charging session and keep me informed
Great video Dave, converging standards can only be good news for EV drivers.
Yes Phillip but some Tesla drivers are not so agreeable
I have the same mg4 and charged there last week. I found that selecting the charger after parking, pressing “start charge” THEN. Plugging in worked . Both times I’ve used Tesla I’ve had the same issue. Both times this fixed it
Thanks for the tip, I suspect a lot of MG4s will be spotted at Superchargers in 2024 and beyond 😀
@@PJWey Well, we would if there were any...
Yes! I can confirm this works. I nipped over to the Trafford Centre last night when it was quiet and did some experiments and found the same. Select the charger, and select start charging THEN plug it in and it worked!!!
I'll look into that, hope it is a general fix for all, thanks for the comment
Update on my previous comment. One of the chargers recently opened is near me, and I did a test charge on it because I was there anyway. Absolutely seamless and trouble-free.
I have not managed to be near a Tesla supercharger along my travels, or where I have it was only 50 miles from home , so I did not need any more charge to get home. I am hoping that more will pop up around Swindon and Yorkshire as they are my areas where charging is needed. I love that Tesla are giving amazing prices to recharge and opening more and more chargers to any type of EV. Thanks for another great update.
Cheers, I see Tesla superchargers going everywhere so sooner or later you’ll get your wish
Another great video. Looking forward to trying a V4 with my Kia Niro at some point 👍
Big hype but when you finally plug in, it just, well, charges but they are attractive. The plug is really neat and the contactless terminal is just perfect. Plus a great lightweight cable, twice the length but no support needed as Osprey and Instavolt definitely need
Very useful Dave as I got my MG4 a week ago!! Btw it’s not perfect but it is great value.
Yes Peter, you don't get a Rolls Royce for the price of a Ford. As you say, it's great value for money and a good introduction to EVs. It will be up to you to decide whether it's good enough when you come to replace it.
Cheers Dave
you're welcome
Only today BP have announced they are buying 100m worth of V4 Superchargers from Tesla too. Great video again Dave we just need more of these V4s down in the South West as my nearest one from Somerset currently is South Wales. I am sure they are some going in at Exeter Services.
Hey, your wish is my Command, Tesla Supercharger in Taunton scheduled for opening Q1 2024, Exeter services now has 32 V3 chargers, the largest supercharger in the UK
Very useful video. I have an MG4 Long Range and will be charging at Trentham Gardens in 2 days. Will let you know how I get on. At least the guy was able to get it to work eventually.
Yes often it’s a matter of trying and trying different things, Shame it’s needed but great to be able to charge
From the problem description it sounds like either an app problem or possibly a problem with the card registered with the app
Tried Trentham Gardens today in MG4 long range. On app got no car detected error and could not get contactless to work. Tesla Banbury worked fine though.
Returned from Southampton today and Trentham Gardens worked fine for the MG4 Long Range. You would think Banbury would be safe with 12 Tesla chargers to choose from but I managed to choose the morning where they were all turned off for maintenance. Had to use the Osprey right next door.
We have loads of Teslas driving around Yorkshire, but the superchargers stop their march east at the M1. I love my Tesla but feel a little abandoned with regards to superchargers. Citys like Hull and York have no superchargers at all, which seems wrong.
Love the videos, keep up the good work.
Local Government issues?
It is annoying that Tesla leaves "white areas" on the maps. It makes some areas more difficult/annoying to get to/through. I live close to one of them in Norway. Why not road trip up the East coast of England? Maybe they are worried about Vikings? They should have a map showing that all parts of the country in question are reasonably covered with Superchargers, that would sell cars and give peace of mind to drivers. But putting yet another location on a London ring road is probably just better for charging as a separate business? They should do both, and they probably will in time.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Alas, part of the issue is the local grid, and the capacity to provide the (significant) power that a supercharger site draws (10x chargers @ 250kW each = 2.5 MW grid connection)
Try Filey or surrounding areas no chargers no nothing unreal.
Hey, great news Graham. I myself complained about Hull, miles from the nearest Tesla supercharger, but now you're getting your own. Not sure the date but a supercharger in Hull has been confirmed, suspect mid 2024. Enjoy. and thanks for comments
41p per kWh as a member! Sadly we cannot in non-Tesla use any of the motorway chargers. Waiting to go to Flint Mountain charging later this week in my new Mokka so I’ll let you know how it goes!
Germany. Lots of Tesla's charging here at non-Tesla chargers even though Non Tesla EV's are unable to charge at Tesla charging stations because of government regulations (No display screens to show how many KWhrs you have charged), Maybe it will be better once V4 chargers are installed.
The V4 have the neatest screen and a work of art contactless terminal so future installations will probably be open to all
Tesla ought to scrap their pre V4 chargers and then every user will be able to see what is going on and let apps and accounts fade into the mists of history.
It's about time. It would be like turning up at a filling station and finding that only Vauxhall drivers could use it! Things are improving all the time, but as a new EV driver I've found that there's still a long way to go, after all I don't need to share my data with Esso, Shell, etc to get petrol. Why do I still need to ram my phone with apps and risk my data with a number of faceless companies when contactless payment is so easy to implement?
So far both the V3 and V4 work with my MG4 Trophy, the last software update in June hasn’t affected it, but I’ll be sure to go back to the V3 after the next update, luckily it’s only 5 miles from the dealer.
don't forget Gary that the MG4 tops out around 140kW maximum charging speed so the V2, V3 and the V4 will all give you maximum power your car can handle
@@davetakesiton I was impressed with the V3, 40-68% in 10 minutes, it quickly ramped up from 125kw to peak at 142kw where it stayed until 63%.
With the fix that the other person posted ie plug the MG4 in after selecting the stall and selecting start charging the V4s work with the MG4
Dave great video, Im often at Trentham in my Pearl White 2014 Model S P85 having run this since new from 2015 now 137,000 miles Back in 2015 there were few Superchargers, a couple I used in the basement of the Tower Hotel London and 2 more outside the Hyat hotel Birmingham the rest of the time it was chance it with the Ecotricity CCS and my Tesla CCS adaptor. Ive used the V3 stalls at Trentham with prerequisite Tesla CCS adaptor sometimes 3 times a week (free supercharging on my pre 2016 S) but 4 weeks ago tried the V4 and got the same "awaiting payment" fail your MG owner experienced.I decoupled and tried again to get the same fault so headed round to the old V3 and charged without a problem. In all my miles over 10 years never did I encounter any comms problems maybe you have picked up on what may be the future of Tesla charging with V4 in that there now needs to be more bi directional comms before any session, maybe why Tesla never went this route in the first place, more complexiy, more to fail.
Yes, great to hear another old Model S is still hanging on. I had no problems myself with V4 at Trentham with my adapter. Seems transient. But might be a growing issue. Luckily we have probably the best software experts available to look into this
@@davetakesiton Dave im not bothered with the trials and tribulations as Tesla moves onwards and upwards as I know any problems they will nail, Ive been privileged to watch from the sidelines Teslas master plan pan out. As an engineer involved with big auto world wide for 44 years it was clear that EVs were superior and Tesla was designing for manufacture, listening to the customer and innovating...everything you want to be successful so Ive no qualms in sitting back and finding any problems have just been solved.
Hoping to pop into Trentham next Friday for my first ever public charging of my new Niro, no app to worry about, just (i hope) tap and go 😂
Good luck, Trentham is a great place to visit the shops, 80+ of them
Thanks for that. I am finally getting an ev this Friday!! An Mg4. I have to drive it back from London to Manchester. I was initially thinking of using the NEC hub. There are a lot of chargers, so I should find one available and working for my first ever charge. Having seen this, I should have the range to make Trentham. If anyone sees a flare going up in that area, it's me trying to charge....
hi, Tony, great news. The MG4 is a terrific EV. Two tips for your first trip: first, the range at 65mph is Significantly greater than at 70mph, so take it easy; second, never try to stretch the range in a strange car until you know how accurate the displayed estimated range actually is out on the road. So if it was me, even though it could probably make it in one go, I would stop very much sooner, maybe Rugby and just put in a small charge to get you very safely there with SOC to spare. No point provoking range anxiety on your first trip.
Thank-you. I will take that advice. I am looking forward to something a little bit different but as you
say, getting it home is job 1!
@@davetakesiton
Apple still uses lightning ports in North America. Use of the USB C standard was mandated in Europe.
Excellent vCast. I'm of to the Lakes soon & will be using the Tesla charges due to price at Banbury (comfort break) then at trentham about lunch time another top up & get me easily to Keswick from Andover ri my Mach-E.. I'll let you know how I get on Dave
Yes Please Peter, love to hear
I used the V3 units at Adderstone Northumbria twice in July with our Skoda Enyaq, no queuing worked first time, instant receipt on the phone as we pulled away. The best chargers we have ever used. If the Model Y had been available when we got our Enyaq we would probably have bought one, still we got a taste of the Tesla experience at Adderstone.
great to hear, maybe a model Y next time?
You made the right choice getting the Enyaq. I suggest you look up the Which report which compares the Enyaq and the Model Y. The Enyaq is the clear winner and that is why I bought an 80kwh Enyaq and am very happy with it. On a good day in summer the range is up to around 350 miles so very good.
@@rogerphelps9939 Yes, the Enyaq is hard to fault the most summer range on the GOM we have seen is 333 miles. We recently had the dealer software update ( ours is a September 2021 80 Sportline) and the efficiency has improved.
Our only gripes are the dealers don’t really know what they are doing service wise, especially with any software issues and connected bugs with the software itself, the Speedo going missing, the infotainment panel going blank. Both fixed by turning the car off and rebooting via the infotainment on/off button, but disconcerting when it happens, albeit infrequent. It does make us question what would happen if the car developed a major fault like a battery cell replacement. Skoda/VW dealers are reporting issues with getting the necessary parts according to posts on the Enyaq forum.
Fingers crossed nothing like that happens but it does sow a seed of disquiet, especially given our experience with the dealer.
Still driving an ICE at the moment, but visited Calke Abbey, a National Trust property in Derbyshire, yesterday and spotted 6 Chargepoint chargers operated by RAW. They were 22kW chargers and were being priced at £0.55 per kWhr. High price for a slow charger it seems, but this is a destination and you can leave it charging for the length of your stay. Probably a cheap way to get chargers installed and attract visitors who drive EVs.
I thought id better try this V4 charger in my MG4 SE (Friday 10 Nov @ 4pm): no issues to report via the app. - although the 1st 4 had covers over them still?
Yes weird when I first got there only one was covered all the rest working, now many covered
Hi Dave, question about your B roll. At about 1:20 in to this video the traffic light goes red. Why did you then switch to the right hand lane?
Pre-positioning for the next junction, which is a right turn, having spotted in my mirror that a large volume of traffic was approaching.
There are some 50Kw ChargePlace Scotland chargers that are only 30p per unit.
Dave, what charge rate did the Ioniq 5 get? These cars, along with their Kia siblings, have only been able to get 42kW from Tesla v3 and v4. This reflects my own experience with v3 but I've not been able to try a v4 yet. I've seen reports from the US that Tesla chargepoints are starting to deliver 93kW to these cars but this less than half their max rate.
I didn't get to check one, too busy filming, the 5 was in and out, just a quick top up. I'll try to find out
I decided to try Tesla superchargers in my non tesla last night (audi Q8 E-Tron). It's about 30- minutes away from home so I planned to arrive after 8pm, when it was cheaper. I hadn't accounted for the 6 DPD BEV vans that were charging at the lower price. 16 chargers, 250 kW, 1 x charger down, 6 x DPD vans, 5 x Teslas and an iPace and an Enyaq both of which, because the charger is on the drivers side rear, took up two chargers for each car charging so although two were available, on the app, a Tesla, or my e-tron with the charging port front drivers side (equivalent to a Tesla passenger rear side, I just go front in rather than rear in, in a Tesla) could not access the available chargers. The queue was 5 cars and one DPD van. I waited but gave up after 10 minutes. Went back this morning. Got access after around 5 minutes, still one charger down, the rest were Teslas, had to sort out payment method for the first time of using and at first the charger didn't work because it thought it was still occupied from the previous car, after that it charged at only 81kW at 51% SOC when the etron can take 170 kW. Without any displays on V3, you can't tell what rate anyone else is getting nor do you know when they have stopped charging. Idle fees help but it would be nice to know if anyone is getting 100% as it gives you some hope, if queuing, how long you might be there for. It cost me 69p per kW (peak rate) where I pay less than 30p per kW on Ionity including proportion of the subscription.
V3s don't have screens its all in the app and yes, I have often seen people getting what power they should
Hi Dave, other than the obvious costs of charging & tyres what are the other yearly costs of ownership compared to an ICE vehicle, servicing etc for an EV?
Tyres? EVs don't wear their tyres out any faster than ICE cars. As far as I know, Teslas don't need regular servicing at all. For the rest of us, EV servicing is a bit of a rip-off, as traditional dealerships try to maintain their regular service income stream by charging money for what is little more than a checklist. EVs don't need oil changes and stuff like that, and they have so much fewer moving parts that there's really very little to do. Tyre pressure, washer fluid, brake fluid, just tick boxes. Even that, while it's a rip-off, costs a lot less than servicing an ICE car.
EVs in general have no serviceable parts apart from the brakes. Pads generally last forever, my 2016 Model S is on the original set, so check the tyres, which cost the same and last the same as ICE, change your wiper blades and top up the screenwash. My car has a cabin air filter that Tesla replace for £25 every few years and the brake fluid should checked for water. Other than that treat them like a TV. If it's working just leave it alone. If anything goes wrong, it will tell you, so get it fixed.
totally agree, and who wouldn't like to get paid £100 per hour to do very little?
I have a BMW i3 and had it for nearly 2 years no servicing apart from a new 12v battery this year as it approaches 5 years old and still looks brand new.
Servicing for my Enyaq is every 2 years at £288.@@moragkerr9577
Home is GBP 0.051/kwH
Dave.
BP announced today they will spend $100 million on Tesla Superchargers for their US charging operation.
Good omen for the UK?
(Maybe BP will reduce the cost from "Bloody Pricey" to reasonable?)
Yes Roger just heard that, I’ll do a bit of digging but if it’s just supply we can expect the 85p to remain, now that Instavolt upped to 85p
No. We need diversity not monopolies. There are plenty of other manufacturers who are perfectly capable of making a good Level 3 charger.
Those CCS2 cables and connectors compared to the NACS in the US, look like the old "Motorola Brick with separate battery pack" phones compared to the current iPhones.
CCS2 maybe an improvement to the CCS1 standard that none Tesla EVs used in the USA but both are archaic. The rest of the charger industry really is a decade behind Tesla's works every time plug and leave system.
Yes I find InstaVolt and Osprey CCS2 cables and plugs really heavy, especially as the V4 I tried was twice the power
Wrong. CCS2 is actually ahead. The ability to use contactless is paramount. Furthermore perhaps you do not unnderstand that CCS2 supports Level 2 charging at up to 22kw which is extremely important for many. The Tesla plug and leave system which has morphed into NACS is a semi-monopolistic effort which forces you to sign up with a specific provider. Not a good idea. With CCS you can go to any provider and take advantage of price competition just like you could do with petrol stations.NACS is just a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Yes. The future is CCS with contactless. When Tesla started up it seemed to be a good idea to have an integrated system where you could just plug in and charge and the charger recognised the car via the interface and automatically debited your account. That has led to the Tesla system becoming the semi-monopolistic NACS system in North America. Not a very good idea. I like to use contactless to pay for most things nowadays and that is how I used to pay for petrol and how most people now make small payments. There is no need for silly accounts or apps and no monopolies. That is why CCS with contactless payment is the way ahead. People can carry on using their apps and accounts if they want to, especially for public Level 2 charging, but the main thrust has to be contactless.
Obviously never used a Tesla supercharger with a Tesla. Plug in wait unplug. That’s it. No contactless no app no cards, no nothing. Far easier than a petrol pump far easier than any other chargers. The monopolies you use are the banks. Can’t get away from them.
Wrong.. NACS is anticompetitive. We use contactless for thousands of small payments. Easy. Why have a special account and be unable to shop around? NACS has you trapped.@@davetakesiton
Unfortunately I have had no joy with my pre facelift MG5 with Tesla SC's, it doesn't recognise my car😢. I dont know if its a Super charger problem or an MG5 problem. Please Tesla and MG sort it out.
Maybe like with Richard a V4 might be the answer, hope you get to try one soon
@@davetakesiton I have heard someone with an MG5 has tried the V4 SC with no luck but I will still try myself when I find one.
It won't. You nees a proper CCS charger with a screen.
In Canada the Tesla charging network is great, no screens needed. Have tried some CCS charges, what a pain to use with there screens, cards and apps.
NACS charging standard designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
CCS1 charging standard designed by the ICE manufactures marketing department to discourage EV adoption, trying to keep EV’s from catching on.
In 10 years the only place in North America you will find a CCS1 charger will be a museum and electronic surplus stores.
Wrong. No screens means having to sign up to a semi-monopoly. Very bad for competition That is why CCS2 with contactless is taking over in the civilised world.
@@rogerphelps9939
Wrong no lights, screens and buttons needed all they do is add confusion, unreliability and un necessary steps.
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on.
In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a electronic surplus store.
if tesla charging is cheaper than the rest good and people start using the tesla, you would like to hope the other companies see why people are using tesla charger so they will reduce their prices too
Yes Stephen, a walk round my local Tesco today has shelves with labels saying "Aldi Price Match". Seems the giants do listen to anything that threatens their business monopoly
Yes. CCS2 with contactless has enabled price competition and even Tesla has had to adopt it.
Not sure what’s going on with MG, seen a few people struggle with them recently, whereas my FIAT has worked every time.
Their software development process is somewhat flawed. Each time they do an update, they have a habit of breaking something else. They seem to lack a systematic test program for new releases, relying on the end users to report issues via dealers. But to be fair, they have gradually improved the software over the last year. This latest update improved the heating and a/c and some aspects of the ACC and LKA but evidently introduced handshake issues with the DC charging interface. I keep a running list of issues and will update and send to the dealership after this trip. Hopefully, it will get back to the software developers used by MG.
Sorry its slow but good news it is being sorted, but agree the drivers should never be the beta testers
There is a lot of heat in the MG forums about MG's not being able to charge at Tesla chargers, with some saying they won't buy MG again. My direct experience is that the dealers are in denial and claim never to have heard of the issue. If MG are reading this, sort it out - we like the cars, but you're losing a lot of goodwill.
NACS charging standard designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
CCS1 charging standard designed by the ICE manufactures marketing department to discourage EV adoption, trying to keep EV’s from catching on.
In 10 years the only place in North America you will find a CCS1 charger will be a museum and electronic surplus stores.
Wrong. CCS2 is going to be the worldwide standard. NACS was designed by Tesla for Tesla cars. It was a monopoly. Tesla drivers could not get charging anywhere else. Now NACS has become a semi monopoly and users are still unable to get charging from any supplier. CCS with contactless is the way ahead. Anyone can set up as a supplier without the sayso of anyone, least of all Tesla and there will be price competition. NACS in many places would be illegal.
@@rogerphelps9939
Wrong. Glad in NA NACS is the standard, not a poor design like CCS that should not have never made it past the first design review. But the ICE manufactures marketing department has far more pull then the engineering department.
My Nearest Supercharger is over 15 miles from where I live
I know, luck of the draw, but realise that the 30 mile round trip will cost you about a tenner and the low price might mean you make a bigger saving
Tesla opening their Superchargers to all none Tesla cars is an excellent business model. They will not only be a software and a car company but now an energy provider perfect business sense.
They are already the worlds largest grid connected energy supplier, they sneaked that one in
My MG 5 EV used to work at all Tesla chargers. Then one actually broke my car an i had to call AA and took 4 hours just to clear the error code in the car, that took 30 sec. After that Tesla chargers dont work with my car. Dont know if its the car or charger.
Afaik, Tesla haven't opened 'all' SuperChargers to non-tesla vehicles yet (some locations are, some aren't)... so if it worked previously it may have been a fluke / at a station that had been opened, etc.
Unlikely to be the chargers sad to say
I think u are right Dave. I tried the one in London, Banbury, Cardiff, Woking etc and none of them worked. They all connect but the app says " no car detected"
I don´t need tesla chargers. All of the year charcing only home, maybe next summer if we take a drive south of the border
Lucky you, I go out driving looking for chargers, leaving off-peak 11p per kWh at home
Yep, if legacy auto manufacturers just licensed software from Tesla, they could concentrate on building their vehicles...at scale. Presumably, they wouldn't have to put 'Tesla Inside' stickers on them, and hey-presto, the end of buggy software. Plus the regular updates.
The first one to do it will take off...go on Ford, you know you want to.
I think it will be essential as legacy lose billions to be able to just buy it in, massive reduction in cost. I think a made by Tesla sticker would boost popularity
That is pointless. Doing that amounts to a monopoly. NACS in North America is a near monopoly and not good for the future. EV software is not rocket science if it is done properly. The key is proper specifications tying down everything and very comprehensive acceptance testing.
I tried this recently with an MG5, fail.
I'm looking into it, will post results
"Give Elon a call..." What Elon's done is admirable, but the hard part for the likes of Ford is that they would also have to use Tesla's supply chain for those modules, which almost certainly involves re-designing the vehicle(s). Diess tried centralising software at Volkswagen - I admire his vision, but the unions and the management ran out of patience after the costs showed, but before the benefits. He got fired for his trouble.
There's nothing Elon has done that the others couldn't if they took it seriously, even so late in the day.
Yes. They could even do it right where Musk has actually got it wrong.@@davetakesiton
I now understand why Ford is struggling so badly in the EV space.
This mainly seems like Tesla's problem. They've come from a world where they can do any proprietary thing they like from the physical connector, the protocol, to the rate of power delivery, to billing. And now they're having to abide by a standardized protocol where a serious amount of compatibility testing is necessary to ensure reliability across a range of vehicles and charge rates, plus the matter of ad hoc billing. I don't see any reason that charging need be any more complicated than opening the hatch and plugging the car in if someone is using the app, or tap to pay otherwise. I don't know what rules the UK will follow post-brexit, but the EU had begun mandating that all public chargers should support non-discriminatory charging via CCS 2 and via common forms of payment. So this is something Tesla are going to have to deal with sooner or later everywhere. I don't see this effort as being a negative for Tesla simply because they make money regardless of what car is being charged but if they get a negative reputation for reliability then people might prefer to use other networks.
Given that the vast majority of EVs, from the majority of Automakers, seem to charge without issue - and the MG4 just had a software update, logic would suggest that the issue was on the MG4 side (not least because MG have a track record, apparently, of introducing new issues with each update)
As for how 'simple' it 'should' be - as per the video, there are so many links in the chain that *all* have to work flawlessly to get the 'simple' experience... it 'works' for Tesla because they are vertically integrated and control so much - and therefor take responsibility for the connection between components, as well as the components themselves... but in the CCS world, each company takes responsibility for their own component - and no-one takes responsibility for the connectivity to the next component.
Yes, my points exactly, and the V4 has the absolute neatest contactless terminal I have ever seen, EV or elsewhere. Style is everything
ThevUK is following the EU, thank goodness.
So David, you where doing a bucket loads of miles in a inefficient low (moderate at best) vehicle mpg wise costing 4k in servicing and maintenance + repairs each year.
I'm sorry but WTF.
Obviously not meant for you but of interest to others, thanks for your comments
@@davetakesiton I need to look back at previous vids to get a proper handle on your reasoning.
You are obviously happy with the Tesla, but scenarios like the one you described cant be that common place
Just tried this Tesla Supercharger and couldn’t get it to work with my MG5, app, card and phone… pretty disappointed. No doubt it’s mg probably.
Yes, I promised Richard I would try to see if I could help with his MG4
I have also been charged 3 lots of £20 for trying several times to charge, I assume I’ll get this back, does anyone know? Thanks
Apple didn't give in, the EU forced them to use USB. Otherwise they'd still be using lightning.
Apple were put in their place and about time too.
"I want all EV drivers to have access to all EV chargers".......
And, to be fair, that's something Elon has said all along (in a roundabout way).
He's desperate to get the world into EV's, Tesla or not, because that's just the way it should be!
spot on, don't get selfish, it's just the right thing to do
12:24 Tesla's patents are *not* generally free to use. Read the fine print of "All Our Patent Are Belong To You." A condition of use is that companies cannot enforce *any* intellectual property right against Tesla or any other competitor. Any company that used Tesla patent(s) without other specific arrangements would essentially lose all intellectual property rights. Therefore, there is a cost associated.
Pretty sure that is to stop companies using the 'free' patents to try and club Tesla or competitors... this isn't a consideration for 'licenced' patents (which include a similar clause in the licence) but because Tesla have put their patents in the public domain, companies can build on them - and effectively 'claim' them, without that clause.
This is the equivalent of the 'copy-left' clause in software, which is now generally understood and accepted. Using GPL software *does not* mean you must open-source your *own* code, only that if you modify *and distribute* the GPL code that you need to make the modifications available. It stops companies from taking open-source software, making minimal changes, and then profiting unreasonably off the open-source movement.
@@logicalChimp Yes, Tesla stated all that in the All Our Patent blog. Nothing you wrote negates my comment. Almost all companies (not just Tesla) are concerned that competitors would use their intellectual products to compete, so they assert legal rights to exclusive use. Loss of such rights is therefore viewed as a cost. That is why I commented that there is a cost associated with using any Tesla patent, and therefore concluded the patents are not "free."
A cynic might suggest that the motivation for the All Our Patent offer was not betterment of the world; Elon knew the big automakers would not take up the offer as they did not wish to grant Tesla access to their intellectual products; the blog was purely virtue signalling for PR.
What do you think motivates Elon?
So your happy that Tesla are opening up chargers to other cars? I wonder if you are singing the praises when your waiting at a supercharger in your Tesla for an hour to get charged at 31p so your have to go to another charger and pay 85p I doubt you will be as happy then.
Now you know what non Tesla drivers felt when finding a Tesla using a non Tesla charger
Never happened to me yet so I can only say it as I see and experience it myself. It’s October and I’ve charged loads even heading to rugby services at peak time and Tebay on bank holiday Monday. Never had to queue yet
So the 31p rate I have only found when charging my non Tesla late at night. It's 31p because it's both late at night and off-peak demand. So there has never been a queue for non Teslas or Teslas alike when I got that rate. In fact I have only witnessed a queue once at an open Tesla charging hub, I waited 3mins at Bambury at peak time and whilst I was charging, several bays became available. The Tesla app shows demand and if there is a wait. On the few times it's shown waiting times it was at Trafford Centre which does have a lot of DPD vans using the chargers during the day and at Edmonton in East London which is very popular with non Teslas. The great thing about Tesla is they monitor demand and react to it by installing more chargers.
I would hope that other suppliers are doing the same.@@user-ps2zr7jp6p
EU anti competition enters the chat 😂
I always like the Formula One approach when Red Bull win all the races. Toto Wolff said we certainly don't want them to slow down, it's my job to give our drivers a car that can beat them.
Wrong. It is quite the opposite. NACS is a semi monopoly. No choice of charging provider. CCS is open and encourages competition.
Tesla approved to build worlds second largest electric car factory in Germany
The Electric Viking
had to happen, the market, once this pesky recession is over, is massive and has huge demand. By then the sub £25k should be rolling out.
The Chinese have beaten Tesla to it.@@davetakesiton
£0.49/kWh for EV charging?
Diesel costs about £0.14/kWh
would love to see your calculation
Real comparison should it not be cost per mile? This is vary a lot on different EV's as they all use different Kwh per mile. As do diesel vehicles have different MPG. No way is a diesel with its inbuilt taxes as cost effective as an EV charged at home.
But diesel kills your grandchildren and most of the embodied energy becomes hot air. You omit to mention much cheaper home charging especially off peak and off solar panels.
For gods sake don't help non Tesla drivers use Tesla chargers. They are starting to have waiting times now.
Its a shame but Tesla have decided to open their network to us non Tesla which might pay off as we buy a Tesla next time round. Longer picture Elon is taking.