Here in AU, it is called, Dumping. They want you to be the scapegoat. They want to put it on your shoulders. Thank you for providing an excellent example. So sorry about your mum.
People that blame others take no responsibility for their own actions. As for telling others off for missing the meeting - Did they tell you what a great meeting you missed? No! - because there was nothing special in it just the same old thing, and plenty that doesn't even apply to you. They want you to suffer boring and unhelpful meetings like they have to. I used to call it "wandering in the wilderness".
So true. I was in a small congregation of about 60 and there were at least 3 people with lupus and 2 with fibromialgia. I don't know the causes of there illness but it seemed like a high percentage.
I’m sorry you and your Mum went through that . ✨The birds got louder and nature was singing out to you when you spoke of her 🌅 You are an amazing brilliant beautiful human Thankyou 💜
If anyone’s in a judicial committee meeting and an Elder asks you, how does that make God feel? You can just respond, “I don’t know, why don’t you ask him yourself” I noticed they like to ask that question but no one seems to have the right response except silence; I can only imagine the shock on all their faces when they hear that response.
Gecondoleerd met je moeder. Vreselijk dat je vader jou daar een schuld mee probeert op te leggen natuurlijk. Hier ook, 20 jaar hebben mijn ouders niets met mij te maken willen hebben omdat ik mij had teruggetrokken. Zelfs geen hoi aan de telefoon. Ik ben terug gegaan, heb ruim een jaar alle vergaderingen weer bezocht, om hersteld te worden. Nu mogen ze weer met mij spreken. Ze weten net zo goed als ik dat ik helemaal niets meer geloof van het Wachttorengenootschap. Maar daar vragen ze ook niet naar. Ik ben nu inactief. Bezoek zo nu en dan een vergadering voor de vorm. Maar heb voor mijzelf gemerkt dat ik nu ook geen contact zoek met mijn ouders. Het kan nu, de weg is open dank zij mijn herstel, de moeite die ik erin heb willen steken. En eigenlijk heeft het mij nog meer doen beseffen dat die mensen die zich mijn ouders noemen eigenlijk hardvochtige religieuze monsters zijn. Wie laat zijn kinderen in de steek voor zijn geloof? Dat doen zelfs de heidenen niet. Mattheus 7:9-11.
raar he, omdat je bent hersteld, hoewel je het zelfde doet, ze nu wel oke vinden om met je te mogen spreken. nee bizar dat je zo veel liefde hebt voor een geloof, meer dan voor je eigen kind
And if your dad died then they pour on more guilt and fine works saying nasty fear mongering things like, "Don't you want to see in your dad again in the new world? Cause your not with us!" Apparently, you need to be WITH them to get your reward. I should have said, not if your there. I know an elder who would guilt trip me over not enough meeting attendance, or fault me for not reaching out for higher positions, yet months later I see him at the music store showcasing all his guitars to the staff at the front desk and even once again on a coffee break showcasing all his pictures of him at a rock concert. This is off the same mouth who had no time for getting together and jamming and lecturing me over my activities being not enough and being spiritually weak if not increasing my ministry even though he was at a rock concert with others and showing off his guitars to the staff at a music store. On another occasion he called me up asking for my time which now they dont count obviously being intrusive over time, just like giving you flack for beards for nothing. I told him I only had 30 hours of informal witnessing, then insinuated i am bragging. Then if i was bragging, then why ask if bothered. Then i asked him why he called me to come down on me over trivial things and yet never call to hang out or talk about anything else. He replies, "What do you want? A pat on the back? Cause I don't get one!" he says. Then hangs up.
@@shiftyourmindset2 Sven, u and i say the same things right to a tee. I journaled that one time a few years back. They speak from both sides of their mouth. They got one rule for them, and one rule for you.
Thank you for making these videos. I'm glad you managed to leave. I have a family member still part of it and they are also struggling with health issues. I want to help them and am trying to be mindful to not put any more guilt on since I know they probably already feel very guilty from the way they are treated by their JW "friends". I realised recently that the best way I can love them is to offer them love, time and kindness even when they are not managing to keep up with the doctor's recommendations. Unconditional love is so important because JWs seem incapable of offering it.
My dear friend brother we are all damages by this evil cult love your vidéo, you are young lucky you because so many wake up later in their life best regards from Canada ❤
I find comfort in Romans chapter 12. In short , it tells us that we were all given different gifts, and it's our responsibility to use those gifts. To be made to feel guilty that you don't fit into this small box and do the same thing as everyone around you is absolutely ridiculous and unbiblical.
I got sick and tired of Jehovah looking over my shoulder every time I wanted to play with myself, so I had to kick Jehovah out of my imagination...,,Go play with yourself Jehovah !!!! ,,
If a couple, by way of a matrimonial commitment are joined as one, forsaking all others, which is a sacred pact in the eyes of Jehovah, as can be seen in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, where the Man is the head of the household and Wives are commanded to be in subjection to their Husbands, does it follow that if an imposter tries to interfere in that marriage, to split either spouse from the marriage, putting them asunder, is that a scripturally (not earthly imperfect human's opinion) based definition of committing adultery?
Hey Sven, sorry for your loss. You are not JW because this was god will. This has just happend randomly, right. So even that is why it is not your fault !
I love you, man. It's such a heartbreaking video for me to watch because everything you say is 100% something I would say. I'm working through my bullshit JW guilt in therapy now. It feels incredibly good to peel off those layers of shit and just be. Great video and great channel. You sound like someone I'd be friends with in the kingdom hall. Ironically Watctower would use that sentiment as 'proof' that THEY are good. Astonishing.
Here in AU, it is called, Dumping. They want you to be the scapegoat. They want to put it on your shoulders. Thank you for providing an excellent example. So sorry about your mum.
Thank you. So true it’s time to let go of guilt.
People that blame others take no responsibility for their own actions. As for telling others off for missing the meeting - Did they tell you what a great meeting you missed? No! - because there was nothing special in it just the same old thing, and plenty that doesn't even apply to you. They want you to suffer boring and unhelpful meetings like they have to. I used to call it "wandering in the wilderness".
So true!
Trying to give YOU guilt over your mom died, it so wrong in so many ways. What is wrong with those people.
Fear and guilt leads to disease.
for sure. very true
So true. I was in a small congregation of about 60 and there were at least 3 people with lupus and 2 with fibromialgia. I don't know the causes of there illness but it seemed like a high percentage.
@@shiftyourmindset2Isaiah 8:10.
@@user-jt2vv1zj6zIsaiah 8:10.
I’m sorry you and your Mum went through that .
✨The birds got louder and nature was singing out to you when you spoke of her 🌅
You are an amazing brilliant beautiful human
Thankyou 💜
That is so sad about your Mom my condolences 🙏
If anyone’s in a judicial committee meeting and an Elder asks you, how does that make God feel? You can just respond, “I don’t know, why don’t you ask him yourself” I noticed they like to ask that question but no one seems to have the right response except silence; I can only imagine the shock on all their faces when they hear that response.
Gecondoleerd met je moeder. Vreselijk dat je vader jou daar een schuld mee probeert op te leggen natuurlijk. Hier ook, 20 jaar hebben mijn ouders niets met mij te maken willen hebben omdat ik mij had teruggetrokken. Zelfs geen hoi aan de telefoon. Ik ben terug gegaan, heb ruim een jaar alle vergaderingen weer bezocht, om hersteld te worden. Nu mogen ze weer met mij spreken. Ze weten net zo goed als ik dat ik helemaal niets meer geloof van het Wachttorengenootschap. Maar daar vragen ze ook niet naar. Ik ben nu inactief. Bezoek zo nu en dan een vergadering voor de vorm. Maar heb voor mijzelf gemerkt dat ik nu ook geen contact zoek met mijn ouders. Het kan nu, de weg is open dank zij mijn herstel, de moeite die ik erin heb willen steken. En eigenlijk heeft het mij nog meer doen beseffen dat die mensen die zich mijn ouders noemen eigenlijk hardvochtige religieuze monsters zijn. Wie laat zijn kinderen in de steek voor zijn geloof? Dat doen zelfs de heidenen niet. Mattheus 7:9-11.
raar he, omdat je bent hersteld, hoewel je het zelfde doet, ze nu wel oke vinden om met je te mogen spreken. nee bizar dat je zo veel liefde hebt voor een geloof, meer dan voor je eigen kind
So sorry about your Mom.. I blame the organization.
Sad part is it took us all these Years to figure it out, All I can do is give you virtual Hug, Watching You is like looking in the Miror!
@@MarkWilliams-z4u but we are free now so congrats to us💪
@@shiftyourmindset2 Yes we are
Guilt is a heavy yoke watchtower loves to burden its slaves with.
I am good enough.
yes you are
It's hard work everyday discovering our negative programming and setting it aside.
And if your dad died then they pour on more guilt and fine works saying nasty fear mongering things like, "Don't you want to see in your dad again in the new world? Cause your not with us!" Apparently, you need to be WITH them to get your reward. I should have said, not if your there. I know an elder who would guilt trip me over not enough meeting attendance, or fault me for not reaching out for higher positions, yet months later I see him at the music store showcasing all his guitars to the staff at the front desk and even once again on a coffee break showcasing all his pictures of him at a rock concert. This is off the same mouth who had no time for getting together and jamming and lecturing me over my activities being not enough and being spiritually weak if not increasing my ministry even though he was at a rock concert with others and showing off his guitars to the staff at a music store. On another occasion he called me up asking for my time which now they dont count obviously being intrusive over time, just like giving you flack for beards for nothing. I told him I only had 30 hours of informal witnessing, then insinuated i am bragging. Then if i was bragging, then why ask if bothered. Then i asked him why he called me to come down on me over trivial things and yet never call to hang out or talk about anything else. He replies, "What do you want? A pat on the back? Cause I don't get one!" he says. Then hangs up.
double standards...:)
@@shiftyourmindset2 Sven, u and i say the same things right to a tee. I journaled that one time a few years back. They speak from both sides of their mouth. They got one rule for them, and one rule for you.
Thanks Sven for this helpful information ❤ I'm so sorry for you loss❤
Thank you for making these videos. I'm glad you managed to leave. I have a family member still part of it and they are also struggling with health issues. I want to help them and am trying to be mindful to not put any more guilt on since I know they probably already feel very guilty from the way they are treated by their JW "friends". I realised recently that the best way I can love them is to offer them love, time and kindness even when they are not managing to keep up with the doctor's recommendations. Unconditional love is so important because JWs seem incapable of offering it.
@@GaryLucasMusic very nice . Its true you can offer them only kindness time and love. They have to make that step on their own
You are spot on with your comments i can totally relate, regards from xjw from south africa
hello fellow south african
My dear friend brother we are all damages by this evil cult love your vidéo, you are young lucky you because so many wake up later in their life best regards from Canada ❤
I find comfort in Romans chapter 12. In short , it tells us that we were all given different gifts, and it's our responsibility to use those gifts. To be made to feel guilty that you don't fit into this small box and do the same thing as everyone around you is absolutely ridiculous and unbiblical.
we are all unique and we all have different gifts to show the world
I got sick and tired of Jehovah looking over my shoulder every time I wanted to play with myself, so I had to kick Jehovah out of my imagination...,,Go play with yourself Jehovah !!!! ,,
Its gonna be hard for me because my wife is still in .
I can imagine that is very hard
If a couple, by way of a matrimonial commitment are joined as one, forsaking all others, which is a sacred pact in the eyes of Jehovah, as can be seen in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, where the Man is the head of the household and Wives are commanded to be in subjection to their Husbands, does it follow that if an imposter tries to interfere in that marriage, to split either spouse from the marriage, putting them asunder, is that a scripturally (not earthly imperfect human's opinion) based definition of committing adultery?
Hey Sven, sorry for your loss. You are not JW because this was god will. This has just happend randomly, right. So even that is why it is not your fault !
true. it isn't my fault. everyone is responsible for his/her own
I love you, man. It's such a heartbreaking video for me to watch because everything you say is 100% something I would say. I'm working through my bullshit JW guilt in therapy now. It feels incredibly good to peel off those layers of shit and just be.
Great video and great channel. You sound like someone I'd be friends with in the kingdom hall. Ironically Watctower would use that sentiment as 'proof' that THEY are good. Astonishing.
love you 2 man.. keep on peeling off those layers, like an onion. you will get your freedom