Back in the late 70s, during the big Ninjitsu phase, I helped run a Goju Ryu dojo. One day I was alone there and this guy walked in and asked if we taught Ninjitsu. I told him we did and in fact there was a class going on as we spoke. He wondered where and I told him we were practicing stealth techniques with some of our most advanced ninja ka. He looked puzzled and left never to return.
Absolutely true. There are many humorous stories that came from that place as folks generally have expectations of martial arts based on TV and myth. When they find out it’s work, sweat, and tears (blood too) they often don’t last.
Did you do classes on disguises, alternate identities, psychological manipulation, herbalism, biology, Kenjutsu, climbing, swimming, expanding oxygen capacity, breathing exercises and par-kour?
I am very grateful that in the judo classes I took as a kid the fact that we were learning a sport was repeatedly made very clear and that this was in the context of rules etc etc. Incidentally being able to sweep, hip toss, and shoulder throw people helped a lot with the few real fights I had as a kid.
Judo and wrestling have a lot of passover to real fights, but if you ever plan to actually use them(in self defense obviously, don't go picking fights) you really should practice them for use against people wearing normal clothes. If anything they become even more effective.
Judo is one of the few traditional MAs that is usable in real-life fights - I remember having a semi-serious fight with a guy I knew when we were teenagers and he was a Judo guy and I couldn't get near him without him tossing me to the ground - it was impressive tbh
@@pietropes1322 I agree. I did TKD for a few years growing up and out of all of it, the simple and effective takedowns are probably the only thing I would actually teach anyone who wants to defend themselves. I think more traditional, artful Judo gets a bad rap in the western world of self defense when in reality, knowing how to bring down and subdue an opponent without looking like you're actually trying to fight might be the only surefire way to get out of a scrap without potentially facing assault charges.
Stephen K Hayes went to Japan and acquired a 1st Dan black belt in the art of Bujinkan Ryu. He then went to America and proclaimed himself a skilled practitioner. Most martial arts systems, your black belt is the beginning. Everything leading up to that point is building a foundation, learning to walk. Black belt is where you start to learn and truly understand the art. Sadly Hayes created a terrible reputation for Ninpo in the west. Its the Mcdonalds of the art, commercialized for profit. I think all arts should be open to scrutiny, but first be critical of the instructor before you criticize the art form ^_^ much love to all MA practitioners of all systems!
@@celticfox no shit!! Thats pretty cool! Does it have the “Monkey steals the peach” technique? I saw a pic of that back in the day and had a great laugh.
@@skurdibbles7913 yes!! In classes sometimes as a joke we would drop to one knee to preform the technique while our partner was attempting an attack and say “monkey steals the peach” in the mortal kombat “finish him” voice. Gotta have fun when training ^_^
My friend got married in one of those churches to essentially a mail order bride from Napal and she did the same thing. The person pushed on her head and she just stood there. I was so happy
I've always had a soft spot for Ninjitsu ! I loved all the ninja movies of the 80s and 90s. One of favorite book that I still have was called Art Of the Ninja, that talked about the history and techniques.
I got sucked into Stephen Hayes as a kid Didn't put together that a white guy married to an Asian broad might have just figured out an angle to make money
I took Ninjitsu way back when…and it was awesome! We threw knives and throwing stars, smoke bombs, tumbling, stealth and climbing, nunchaku, wood swords. Our instructor was super cool and respectful and we all called each other, “Master” so and so. It was fun.
Ninja means female thief lol people think it's some kind of magic, nope its back stabbing and poison ain't no particular magic to it more than aikido type of thing. A focus on stealth and not duelling or combat specifically.
@@DailyCorvid you dont deploy navy seals for their hand to hand combat either. 1.)What is the true meaning of ninja? In Japanese, the word ninja means "spy." Definitions of ninja. a member of the ninja who were trained in martial arts and hired for espionage or sabotage or assassinations; a person skilled in ninjutsu. type of: mercenary, soldier of fortune. 2.)What is a female ninja called? Kunoichi (Japanese: くノ一, also くのいち or クノイチ) is a Japanese cant term for "woman" (女, onna). In popular culture, it is often used for female shinobi or practitioner of ninjutsu (ninpo). 3.)What makes someone a ninja? A ninja (忍者, Japanese pronunciation: [ɲiꜜɲdʑa]) or shinobi (忍び, [ɕinobi]) was a covert agent, mercenary, or guerrilla warfare expert in feudal Japan. The functions of a ninja included, reconnaissance, espionage, infiltration, deception, ambush, bodyguarding and their fighting skills in martial arts, including ninjutsu. 🤦🏻♂️👨🏫👨💻📖👀🕵♂️💨👨🎓🥷
Late 80s, Kickboxing and Muay Thai exploded in The Netherlands, especially when Ramon Dekkers showed what's up. And then Peter Aerts at K1, with all the other Dutch fighters, it was insane popular. Kids were wearing kickbox pants over their swimming pants, even girls did that. Sadly today fights in the public bring down the whole thing. So called fans. I miss that K1 era, too many names to list. But my top 3 : 1 Dekkers, 2 Aerts, 3 Jerome Le Banner.
I know what Joe means. I started martial arts when I was 13. But my sensei was the real deal and we were scared of him but we also didn't want to disappoint him so we did all the crazy shit he said and 40 years later, I'm a better man for it today. 😎
I have a friend who went through one of those fake things. He said when the guy said he was gonna fall he fell to avoid embarrassment. I really believe most people think: "Am I the only one who doubts this? I don't wanna be left out. I'm gonna go with it." This was in one of those fake churches that only talk about money.
Yup. Too many "martial arts" schools running these days with teachers/tutors pretending they know everything about the art. The truth is... you never stop learning, even at 78 years old ( my teacher for example who passed away last year and took on very few students. He never ran an "academy" or "school".
Anyone else send away for the secrets of the Dim Mak touch of death? I did back in the early 80's and they sent me a pamphlet telling me to make a sort of beak shape with my fingers and hit a bucket of sand ten thousand times. There were diagrams of where to hit people with labels saying how long it would take them to die like one hour or three days, etc. They also sent me a sort of knitting needle to fight with until I developed "the touch". I was 12yrs old and thought it was the coolest thing on earth🙄
Once upon a time in Britain it was mandatory to practice archery in preparation for war. Nowadays they'll throw you in jail for giving the finger and calling someone a tosser.
I think if Ansu Hayes were able to explain a lot from his side on Joe's podcast, things would make a lot more sense to others...I train under one of your peers in Fayetteville, and people truly have a warped understanding of ninjutsu, because of Hollywood..
Seriously crazy, Body Guard of the Dalai Llama, traveled to Japan to find "ninja" master, got kicked out of his master's school, created his own approach. Its a martial arts movie waiting to be made!
I once was in a band playing at a Christian conference. I had a dude who had everyone fall down and people were laying all around. He comes up to me and all of a sudden he's just pushing with everything he has on my head trying to knock me down. I look around and he had pushed me like half the distance of the gym we were in. But I was very much like I may be a Christian but I'm not going to fake anything so you can look more powerful Mr speaker dude.
I understand hand to hand combat, I was in the marines in late 80s and early 90s, we got judo and a few other things. Today all they do is the MMA, that’s good on 1 on1. But if your camp is over ran by enemy 1 on 1 isn’t going to work. Be cause of multiple enemies, you rolling around Locke up with one another just stab you up. I prefer in those situations a bayonet, and forget the straight jab crap swing it jam and whatever take s enemy out and you live
I took “ninjitsu” way back in the late 80s. It wasn’t ninja stuff at all. It ended up being MMA before it was a thing. My instructor was bent on getting us exposed to as many new styles as possible so we count dissect the movements and learn counters. That includes ground work. BJJ was part of it as well. Best training I ever received. Never did the Hollywood stuff (hiding, swords, throwing stars, etc). Just learned to fight multiple styles and stay fluid.
I took Ninjitsu when I was a kid, and my sensei was really good, it was in Ukraine, not in USA And the level of reverence we had for the craft was deep, we did pretty gnarly conditioning, and it made me a man through it. We used to do "crocodiles" for "warm up" when you ball your fists, like you are going to do push ups on knuckles, but walked across the floor parallel. Everyone would be bleeding, but damn it build character. All kinds of tough conditioning that made other martial arts and basketball seem so soft to me. I remember we used to practice quite a lot of stuff I use to this day if I get in a fight, good defense techniques, and it was very good craft to study. To this day it's one of those martial arts I revere for its' functionality, but it's not the only 1 I took. Ninja's actually used Ninjitsu, and it was mostly defense techniques to allow you escape the enemy. It does have offensive elements, but it was mostly defensive. Ninja's are basically assassin bitches, they stab you and run away lol
@@thekingofwristlocks5894 Harry Potter rode a 7 legged giraffe while he studied to develop the worlds first external combustion dyanamometer... See, it's not hard to throw bullshit words together.
Broke my thumb recently in a training session in ninjutsu. Yes, some ninjutsu places actually do spar and roll. Sad so many frauds have destroyed what could be a respected art.
I never took any kind of martial arts growing up. When I joined the Army at 18, they taught us Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I think they started teaching us BJJ because during combat if for some reason we are unarmed facing an opponent, BJJ is supposed to be the best way to take down an opponent no matter if they are armed or not. The stuff they taught us I will always remember and use.
Man, I was sceptical of the ninjutsu guys even back in the 90s ....and I was like 10. Chuck Norris looked tough though. He came across as legit and turned out he is legit. So Karate and Judo.... At least you could see them in the Olympics so you saw real folks doing it outside of the movies.
Many years ago, when I got out of the army, I took a year of ninjitsu because it was the only martial arts place convenient to where I lived. I did TKD in school, and TBH really wasn't very good. But it was enough to let me kick the crap out of all of the ninja black belts. I was definitely not impressed by the ninjas.
@@thegreekwanderer1762 That's right ... I forgot about Steve Jennum, although he also trained in Taijutsu, Taekwondo, Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, Judo, Wrestling and Boxing (according to his Wikipedia page).
That happened to me at church too and I was at the end of a line of 40 people , they all fell down but I didn't and I expected something to happen the only thing that happened is the preacher kept trying to push me over . I believe in Jesus but some preachers are actors , it angered me a bit because he kept pushing my head.
A good litmus test is whether or not they have valid apostolic succession or not. Chances are if you're not Catholic or EO, your "pastor" is just clowning around.
If I’m not mistaken the in the early days of the UFC the 2nd UFC champion was a Ninjutsu guy. Royce Gracie won the first two tournaments and he won the 3rd one, and he also was a cop
I took free lessons privately from brown/ black stripe who was aspiring to be a high degree level black-belt that wanted a student whom he trained to be a black-belt in Ernie Reyes Sr's west coast system which is a mix of different martial arts put together with the instruction of Tony Thompson. Never had to do any mystical-sensationalistic nonsense, fake spirituality. Just kicked my butt stretching, training, conditioning, strengthening. Looking back at all the nonsense with martial arts, I was lucky to be a part of that system, which had many useful tactics, including some grappling, hand to hand, defensive footwork, and a lot of kicking which focused on power and speed both. Way before it's time.
I have trained in many styles, it's a life changing experience. Bud Malmstrom was my Shihan of Bujinkan Dojo in Atlanta. Ninjutsu is the Art of survival, it's a dead art as Latin is a dead language, but some still speak it! I learned a lot about myself! Some say martial arts don't work, well if they don't work why is the Mixed Martial Arts so prominent and everyone is making money!? Joe Rogan, can you go out in the wilderness and survive? Fuck no you can't! Keep on trucking Bro, I still love ya Man!
Im not a Martial Arts Guy i just had 3 years of Judo when i was 13 and this is long Time ago but i guess i kinda understand that Mirrorthing he Talks about at the Beginning So Ninjutsu is translated as the Art to endure so standig for 1h in Front of a Mirror is a Lesson for how long can you endure yourself right?
Check out the last remaining ninja in Japan.. ninja was a real thing in ancient Japan , the ninja from Iga prefecture in Japan was well known to fight against samurai. Hattori Hanzo was one of the famous ninja during the sengoku jidai period in japan
During one of my first days of Navy basic training our Chief RDC hollered out “is anyone here a trained martial artist?” One guy stepped forward and said he was a black belt in karate or something. Chief made him perform his kata in front of the entire division…dude looked like an epileptic ballerina! Funniest thing ever! 1995
Studied American Bujinkan Ninjutsu for 12 years! Taekwondo for 2! Many practical uses for either or both. Most of Ninjutsu comes with the late 80s early 90s stigmas "stealth, weapons, Discipline": and im not saying that stuff aint there. Im just saying, i PROMISE Ninjutsu has "more practical forms" than 'ninja vanish' The HARD part is mastering it, or at the very least perfecting the art. Theres a huge difference between 1st Kyu and 15th Dan.
If everyone had their parents pay someone to make kids stand and stare at themselves for one hour without moving today I have no doubt society would improve
Somewhat along these lines, back in the 80s, two of my friends were on a local talk show, with this hypnotist. Think pre-Jerry Springer. My friend got picked to go on stage and be hypnotized. The dude did his thing, saying something like "your legs are like cement and you won't be able to stand up", putting them into a 'trance'. When he snapped his fingers and told the group to stand up, my friend shot right up, while the rest of the group just sat there, giggling in amazement. He had a shīt-eating grin on his face, as the camera panned off of him. Hilarious!! A video still exists of it somewhere. The Michael Bey Show I think it was called...😂
I studied martial arts in the early ~ mid 70's when it was rife with fraud but I got lucky. My 4th dan black belt instructor was one of the best in the country. He actually set a world record in board breaking for charity over a 24 hour period. I had to drop it in 78 because I moved.
Re: staring in the mirror for an hour: Can't remember the name of the book, but it's about Japanese Archery. An exercise mentioned in the book was literally "watching incense burn". Learning to quiet the mind and listening to the heart. The archer releases the arrow in between heart beats to lessen the chance of it altering your aim.
A ninjitsu guy won one of the original UFC's because he was subbed in due to an injury. He was killed in a robbery because he was intervening as an off duty police officer.
@@VajraVidyadhara Thank you. Ninjitsu is outdated in the first world but it served a vital purpose in ancient Japan. Modern America was born with a musket in its hand and has been shitting on anything that doesn't go "pew pew" or look good in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie ever since. I appreciate JRE for what it is and obviously Joe has a lot of respect for Martial Arts in general. He speaks his mind and stands his ground on most topics, even the ones he admits he knows nothing about, and while I think that's and irresponsible and even dangerous way to live, most of the things he's said have been tame in comparison to what trash gets churned out by network and cable news. The only time I've really been irked is when he had that Navy seal on, Zippo or whatever the fuck his name is, and they were trashing Shaolin Kung Fu because some MMA hothead beat the fuck out of a grandmaster in his own country. They went on to say that nothing can beat "ground and pound," because it's what wins most UFC and street fights. For two very knowledgeable and occasionally humble individuals, it really sounded like two cavemen polishing each other's clubs.
@@TGIFrank agreed 100% with what you've said but my comment wasn't aimed at Rogan at all, I see on mostly every ninjutsu video so called experts that keep bashing ninjutsu without any coeherent or constructive criticism. First we need to agree on the fact that what is used today in ninjutsu is mostly for self-defense and it all depends on the practitioner how well he knows to apply the moves properly. Does it help you when someone aims a gun at you? Hell no, if fact no matter how good you are at martial arts you'd have to be insane to make a wrong move in that scenario. Again this is not aimed at you or Rogan, but at the so called experts. Cavemen hahaha I couldn't have said it better myself!
I took karate and found a lot of discipline after watching a lot of Bruce Lee movies and I was convinced that there was an art to fighting BUT then on accident I made friends with a dojo masters son in elementary school AND my parents had bought me black belt pajamas to wear. Well, after spending the night at this kids house I knew something was off with the "Dojo Master"... I knew BS artist at age 9 and it actually frightened me... How could a grown adult act out a complete lie about life... Like the whole world just became a big lie of a joke. I gave up the training and quit taking karate completely. Idk what happened to my pal or his family BUT at some point I think the whole dojo was busted for fraud by evading taxes and maybe other stuff... The "dojo master" was married to a Taiwan or Korean wife so he probably fled overseas with his son... To this day I have wondered wth happened...
The first martial art I really took was Japanese sword (kenjutsu) and the dojo also taught aikibujutsu/aikido. I had no context of what aikido was and I found the techniques pretty cool. Anytime I would feed one of my instructors the throw or pin, they would get pissed and tell me to really resist, otherwise I was compromising their actual ability. We also emphasized realistic effectiveness and used strikes and force on the joints for pins and throws. We also practiced some "dirty" techniques. And this was all I knew about the grappling martial art. I remember going to an exhibition that demonstrated aikido from another dojo and I was totally taken aback by how different it was. Everything was gentle, rhythmic, circular, and kind of peaceful. Completely different from the elbow, wrist, and shoulder snapping techniques I had learned and the violent throws and slams and pins I had been used to. Later I saw other dojos and their softer styles and understood why it gets a bad wrap. In retrospect, I would have honestly pushed for even more combat effectiveness. Our repertoire was a bit stifled and limited and honestly I feel we could have been smarter about it. We did pressure test, but we needed to more. We also identified as a koryu dojo, so we didn't peddle tons of belts (I don't think we sold anything, actually). We also kept it very small and exclusive and didn't allow kids since we wanted to maintain a more mature approach. The dojo dissolved shortly after I left for university. I boxed, too, and I've always been a fan of martial arts. I miss it, too. I'm thinking about finding another club sometime.
Win Chun or Eagle Claw if you like a slightly more modern approach, both excellent if you're main skill is grappling. It incorporates the joint locks and stuff really well, but doesn't skimp on tje jostle and the clinch. Excellent for street where you can't rely on fairness.
A lot of traditional martial arts it a bad rap when in fact I believe they suffer from a lack of actual use from several generations of teachers and students. There were several points in recent history for China, Japan and Korea where martial artists and knowledge of martial arts were persecuted and any who had such knowledge had to disassociate themselves and their arts from actual fighting. Traditional martial arts have their roots and effective techniques but often they need to be resurrected much like HEMA enthusiasts have done for European martial arts.
Joe, instead of talking about Bullshido, I would suggest to take a look on Onmitsu Kage and Dr. Kacem Zoughari PhD. He is currently the historian of Berlin samurai museum and an expert on medieval martial sciences of Japan, ninjUtsu (not ninjitsu for G's sake) included.
Ninjutsu is mental physical and spiritual training the art of survival and endurance. Herbal medicine and seeing through the illusion that some people want you to believe and thinking outside the box
I participated in a ninjitsu dojo for about a year or so. There were some really interesting aspects to it, obviously the weapon training is interesting, they taught every kind of traditional weapon used by samurai. We also did learn how to navigate around in the pitch black silently, those kinds of techniques. The hand to hand striking component of the martial arts was really just karate, and the grappling was really just judo and jujitsu, there really were no differences there. Not everything about the dojo was top tier or the best training you could get, but it was interesting, and we did do a lot of sparring, including the full contact stuff with gloves and headgear. I did freestyle wrestling at a club afterwards, and I'd rank the stuff from the ninjitsu dojo higher as far as being useful as self defense education. No doubt there are a lot of ninjitsu dojo's that are frauds, but just like with HEMA, studying old styles of fighting is a legitimate hobby as well.
In kempo class back on the 90s my instructor jad me bring in a coconut from the store one time,i gave it to him,he held it in his left hand, and said this is soft palm. Be lifted his roght hand about 10 inches above it ,and sort of just let his right palm free fall on the Coconut,it split in two,thats the coolest thing i seen in the dojo.
@@hallucinato2307 then gosh dang it finish it then... I done enough by meeting you halfway with it... Gosh dang y'all are just so darn extra... I can't be expected to do all the thinking by myself now can I??? Where your brains at? Help me out dang it, because I ain't perfect and don't know it all, and that's why we have one another for and suppose to help one another out.. especially if you see I'm straddling the fence...🤦🏽♀️do it some justice by helping me out, rather than talk foolishly against me...
If anyone wants to see Ninjitsu in action go and watch UFC 2 Pat Smith VS Scott Morris. This is THE fight that I watched as a teenager in the 1990s that has always stuck with me more than any other. That was the day the McDojo was invented 😂😂
True of every martial art also. The instructors can be good or bad. When you are young they all seem like rockstars until you find out in real fights the “dirty” moves you aren’t allowed to do are the ones that typically win the fight. And the form can actually be an impedance if held to to rigidly
I tried ninjutsu when i was younger, and it was actually pretty good. No bullshido kinda moves, it was mostly like karate and jujitsu kind. And sword evading and practice. We couldn't afford the lessons at the time but i still liked it. But seeing some of the videos lately of the pink haired master down in Japan put me a bit off
That fake touch passing out bullshit at church is part of what opened my eyes to the bullshit. Went to a weekend retreat in LA and they did the passing out thing. I was fully expecting to feel something but ALL THAT HAPPENED is the person touching you is PUSHING your head down while the "helpers" keeping you from "falling" are just ALSO PUSHING you down.
I read the book true path of a ninja and it exploits the facts that ninjas were not the same as movies make them out to be. Real ninjas were more like cia agents and undercover agents of today.
Real ninjas were literally farmers on the Korean Peninsula that were being oppressed by the samurai from Japan. Ninja “weapons” were just modified farming tools. It wasn’t until later on that they formed clans and started wearing the cool clothes and assassinating people.
There's a really good documentary about the last ninja and they go into what it was really about. Espionage and political warfare with a little assassin work thrown in. I can't remember what the name of the docu is for the life of me.
That’s an Antony Cummins book. Careful with that guy; I nearly fell for the shtick as well but he’s been pretty widely debunked, especially by lifelong koryu practitioners & students of the now defunct ancient Japanese dialect the scrolls were written in, and not just from people within ninpo organisation like the Bujinkan or Genbukan. I thought it was pretty convincing that he was citing only the source material, but in fact he has a Japanese national (who knows English but not the dialect she’s translating from) translate, then he smooths out the inconsistencies in her broken English translations before interpreting results into what they _might_ mean today & editing them according to which book he wants to put them in. By the time they’re published, the source material has been seriously stepped on.
Thank heavens for MMA bringing martial arts out of that dark age. This is why during that whole time if you boxed at your local PAL you were way more formidable than just about anyone taking "Karate". The majority of places teaching martial arts were BS. MMA got rid of bs so that now it is possible to learn the best techniques and not get ripped off.
True story dude. My father put me in martial arts/ karate and stuff as a kid because I was always fighting in the streets, had anger problems. Karate and shit taught me discipline and to remain calm while I'm getting hit and smacking the dog shit out of men that would confront me. But yeah dude you're right, "karate only works if both people know karate " some comedian
@@djshad1885 you can survive a gun shot, the only guns with a high mortality rate (like above 80%) are shotguns (or .22 if you shoot them in the head lol). But I prefer blades, I like to feel my victims, I mean attackers, soul leave their body.
80s legends aside, Ninjitsu is basically Japanese jujutsu with some weapons thrown in, and cool black uniforms. They used to be like the samurai centuries ago. Today's modern equivalent to the skilled assassin ninjas of the past would be military special forces. Wanna be a ninja? Go train as a SEAL or Ranger.
Well honestly the ones calles "ninjas" back in the feudal era were more of spies and and informants. They did sometimes carry out assassinations but it definitely wasn't like depicted in movies and shit. For the most part they were looked down on and seen as extremely "dishonorable" or "cheap trick" type of person. But in war, the point is to win, and alot of times when the samurai didnt want to do the dirty work themselves, they would hire "ninja" (which were basically just peasents who had training in old school espionage) to be the spies/carry out an assassination attempt, especially since they were expendable if caught.
Ninja never wore black. That's a carryover from Noh theater where stagehands would wear black to signal to the audience not to pay attention to them. In Japan black is the color associated with facelessness so the idea that a stealth expert wearing an outfit meant to be thought of as 'invisible' made sense. In reality a ninja would dress like a monk or a servant, somebody nondescript so they wouldn't be paid attention to. Ninja were spies, thieves, or saboteurs more often than they were assassins. They would infiltrate an enemy castle or stronghold and start fires or steal information. The "art" of being a Ninja refers to techniques on how to not leave a trail when evading capture, or how to hide either in plain sight or using disguises.
Love his cousin was just messing with them hilarious. Also besides some good mental discipline I can definitely say that 5 years of typical TKD is useless in a real fight especially if the other guy knows how to box.
All those guys need to do is add street scenarios to their training. Teach fight IQ & psychology too! Look at how predator criminals target their victims... then train specifically for scenarios like that. Too many ppl of any system have only trained but never fought for real. So they're just following tradition! Fighting & the foundation to be good at it, is much more than just physical. TKD, Karate, Aikido, etc etc can all use some constructive criticism, instead of simply laughed to scorn.
Yes, he was a legit martial artist and actor. He knew Judo, Jits, Aikido, Kobuto, Kendo, Karate, and Ninjitsu. Of course the movies are not realistic, but the quality is there.
Ninjutsu is a combination of Ninpo and Jujitsu. BJJ is what Joe learns and that is mainly just Jujitsu and Judo mixed. So technically in a way Joe is also learning Ninjutsu so I wouldn't be too hard on it. The Jujitsu within Ninjutsu is only slightly altered as far as joint locking in a way that they would move slightly more circular to get the lock while Jujitsu moves slightly more straightforward. This was altered for better weapon evasion on the battlefield instead of the more straightforward movements used in the dojo by Jujitsu. The ground game training is similar but isn't used as much in Ninjutsu as Jujitsu because because getting the information or the assassination and getting out through evasion was key. If they got caught and it went to the ground they already lost their escape time because the other samurai would hear the commotion and they can sandle shoot quick af up those stairs.
Wow that’s so spiritual and deep… Or it was one of the million tactics used that require the absolute least involvement from instructors, aka easy work, and it just so happened to work for this guy. Seen shit like this a hundred times. Anyone can tell someone to look in the mirror, if it works you say I told you so, if it don’t you say oh well you aren’t ready, it’s absolutely a scam lol
@@ETAisNOW lol yea or that. More than likely it’s your version. But imagine if it’s my version and he saw it as a door after hours of staring at himself. I gotta try this out and charge people. Either way I’ll be right.
I felt that way about judo, too friendly (i know, but i didnt stick with it lol), so i tried modern arnis/esgrima since im part filipino and it looked interesting. Learning to machete fight was a lot of fun :)
I learned Steven Hayes ninjutsu from my sifu who did train with Steven Hayes.The meditations have might merit. But its a case of how much belief do you have in it. For instance we did a meditation. In which are intention was to focus on are heart beat. Feel it,sense it,hear it. The premise was that if we could move and only hear and feel are heart beat. We would be silent. I think it worked. I was way more aware of my surroundings and how I moved. But did it actually work I don't know.
Back in the late 70s, during the big Ninjitsu phase, I helped run a Goju Ryu dojo. One day I was alone there and this guy walked in and asked if we taught Ninjitsu. I told him we did and in fact there was a class going on as we spoke. He wondered where and I told him we were practicing stealth techniques with some of our most advanced ninja ka. He looked puzzled and left never to return.
If that’s a true story, then that’s the greatest story of all time.
Absolutely true. There are many humorous stories that came from that place as folks generally have expectations of martial arts based on TV and myth. When they find out it’s work, sweat, and tears (blood too) they often don’t last.
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Did you do classes on disguises, alternate identities, psychological manipulation, herbalism, biology, Kenjutsu, climbing, swimming, expanding oxygen capacity, breathing exercises and par-kour?
Including modern technology and old knowledge, of course. Can't have the CIA being better ninjas than ninjas.
This is my favorite kind of Joe Rogan Podcast: Serious talk, funny laughs, and diving into martial arts
serious bullshit lol
Glover is highly articulate which makes him great to listen too.
I took ninjitsu 1 year in high school. The Genbukan line of ninjitsu here in Milwaukee.
I am very grateful that in the judo classes I took as a kid the fact that we were learning a sport was repeatedly made very clear and that this was in the context of rules etc etc. Incidentally being able to sweep, hip toss, and shoulder throw people helped a lot with the few real fights I had as a kid.
Judo and wrestling have a lot of passover to real fights, but if you ever plan to actually use them(in self defense obviously, don't go picking fights) you really should practice them for use against people wearing normal clothes. If anything they become even more effective.
Judo is one of the few traditional MAs that is usable in real-life fights - I remember having a semi-serious fight with a guy I knew when we were teenagers and he was a Judo guy and I couldn't get near him without him tossing me to the ground - it was impressive tbh
Learning how to fall has stuck with me all my life in every kind of situation. . From skating to soccer and so on..
@@pietropes1322 I agree. I did TKD for a few years growing up and out of all of it, the simple and effective takedowns are probably the only thing I would actually teach anyone who wants to defend themselves. I think more traditional, artful Judo gets a bad rap in the western world of self defense when in reality, knowing how to bring down and subdue an opponent without looking like you're actually trying to fight might be the only surefire way to get out of a scrap without potentially facing assault charges.
I loved playing judo. I think they took some of the cool stuff like double leg takedowns out though!
Stephen K Hayes went to Japan and acquired a 1st Dan black belt in the art of Bujinkan Ryu. He then went to America and proclaimed himself a skilled practitioner. Most martial arts systems, your black belt is the beginning. Everything leading up to that point is building a foundation, learning to walk. Black belt is where you start to learn and truly understand the art. Sadly Hayes created a terrible reputation for Ninpo in the west. Its the Mcdonalds of the art, commercialized for profit. I think all arts should be open to scrutiny, but first be critical of the instructor before you criticize the art form ^_^ much love to all MA practitioners of all systems!
I actually have one of his books with an autograph in it I snagged from a Goodwill ages ago. Some cool techniques in there but you're spot on.
@@celticfox no shit!! Thats pretty cool! Does it have the “Monkey steals the peach” technique? I saw a pic of that back in the day and had a great laugh.
Ronald Duncan was the real deal
@@chrismallette6233 groin yank?
@@skurdibbles7913 yes!! In classes sometimes as a joke we would drop to one knee to preform the technique while our partner was attempting an attack and say “monkey steals the peach” in the mortal kombat “finish him” voice. Gotta have fun when training ^_^
My friend got married in one of those churches to essentially a mail order bride from Napal and she did the same thing. The person pushed on her head and she just stood there. I was so happy
I've always had a soft spot for Ninjitsu ! I loved all the ninja movies of the 80s and 90s. One of favorite book that I still have was called Art Of the Ninja, that talked about the history and techniques.
All lies look into it
Sadly non of that is real ninjitsu lol
I got sucked into Stephen Hayes as a kid
Didn't put together that a white guy married to an Asian broad might have just figured out an angle to make money
Don't listen to the haters bruh, watch Naruto and harness your inner nunja
It's a high level genjutsu, a technique for confusing your opponent with tricks lol.
Truly awesome to get a shoutout on Rogan!!!
I took Ninjitsu way back when…and it was awesome! We threw knives and throwing stars, smoke bombs, tumbling, stealth and climbing, nunchaku, wood swords. Our instructor was super cool and respectful and we all called each other, “Master” so and so. It was fun.
I did ninjitsu for a while. It was good training. We didn't do traditional ninjitsu it was more for real fighting and defence.
You should try ninjustsu next its awesome!
Ninja means female thief lol people think it's some kind of magic, nope its back stabbing and poison ain't no particular magic to it more than aikido type of thing.
A focus on stealth and not duelling or combat specifically.
@@DailyCorvid you dont deploy navy seals for their hand to hand combat either.
1.)What is the true meaning of ninja?
In Japanese, the word ninja means "spy." Definitions of ninja. a member of the ninja who were trained in martial arts and hired for espionage or sabotage or assassinations; a person skilled in ninjutsu. type of: mercenary, soldier of fortune.
2.)What is a female ninja called?
Kunoichi (Japanese: くノ一, also くのいち or クノイチ) is a Japanese cant term for "woman" (女, onna). In popular culture, it is often used for female shinobi or practitioner of ninjutsu (ninpo).
3.)What makes someone a ninja?
A ninja (忍者, Japanese pronunciation: [ɲiꜜɲdʑa]) or shinobi (忍び, [ɕinobi]) was a covert agent, mercenary, or guerrilla warfare expert in feudal Japan. The functions of a ninja included, reconnaissance, espionage, infiltration, deception, ambush, bodyguarding and their fighting skills in martial arts, including ninjutsu.
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@@SrJonAnthony 2) What is a female ninja called I really wanted to say Madonatello since he had a sex change ;)
I'll be 55 in March and I still to this day want to be a ninja!!!
No such thing ninja is an American word ,Shinobi are like special forces in ancient Japan.
@@crow4936 it ain't that deep bro!!
@@randywissler9923 that's what she said 🤣😂
Me and you both man...in the eternal fight between ninjas and pirates...always be a ninja..
@@NevilleBamshu23 Why not be a pirate ninja, or a ninja pirate...
I'm so glad he mentioned the correlation between snake handling churches and chi masters "practicing" with students. It's just crazy...
@Dr. Octogon So is "Chi-Energy" LOL!
Late 80s, Kickboxing and Muay Thai exploded in The Netherlands, especially when Ramon Dekkers showed what's up.
And then Peter Aerts at K1, with all the other Dutch fighters, it was insane popular. Kids were wearing kickbox pants over their swimming pants, even girls did that. Sadly today fights in the public bring down the whole thing. So called fans.
I miss that K1 era, too many names to list. But my top 3 : 1 Dekkers, 2 Aerts, 3 Jerome Le Banner.
Dekkers is my guy. But Dutch Kickboxing has been a thing for ages, no?
And you got no love for Hoost?!
I know what Joe means. I started martial arts when I was 13. But my sensei was the real deal and we were scared of him but we also didn't want to disappoint him so we did all the crazy shit he said and 40 years later, I'm a better man for it today. 😎
I have a friend who went through one of those fake things. He said when the guy said he was gonna fall he fell to avoid embarrassment. I really believe most people think: "Am I the only one who doubts this? I don't wanna be left out. I'm gonna go with it." This was in one of those fake churches that only talk about money.
Yup. Too many "martial arts" schools running these days with teachers/tutors pretending they know everything about the art. The truth is... you never stop learning, even at 78 years old ( my teacher for example who passed away last year and took on very few students. He never ran an "academy" or "school".
Anyone else send away for the secrets of the Dim Mak touch of death? I did back in the early 80's and they sent me a pamphlet telling me to make a sort of beak shape with my fingers and hit a bucket of sand ten thousand times. There were diagrams of where to hit people with labels saying how long it would take them to die like one hour or three days, etc. They also sent me a sort of knitting needle to fight with until I developed "the touch". I was 12yrs old and thought it was the coolest thing on earth🙄
that's really old school bro, Dim mak,
Once upon a time in Britain it was mandatory to practice archery in preparation for war. Nowadays they'll throw you in jail for giving the finger and calling someone a tosser.
When I was a kid in the 80s their was an awesome comic book called “Ninjutsu”, and it showed you how to do “moves”. It was great.
Palladium Books, Ninjas and Superspies.
Joe, you should have Stephen Hayes on your show! He’s lived a crazy life!
I think if Ansu Hayes were able to explain a lot from his side on Joe's podcast, things would make a lot more sense to others...I train under one of your peers in Fayetteville, and people truly have a warped understanding of ninjutsu, because of Hollywood..
Seriously crazy, Body Guard of the Dalai Llama, traveled to Japan to find "ninja" master, got kicked out of his master's school, created his own approach. Its a martial arts movie waiting to be made!
@@andymax1, I know a bunch of folks would! I suggested it on Joe's site, I bet if more people would request it we could probably make it happen.
I'm sure you would like that and Steve could use the exposure to grow his empire.
@@JustinPrime85If Steve is a fraud like you seem to think, he'd just be embarrassed by Rogan, so what's the problem?
The story about his brother pretending to be shocked and then smiling is so wholesome
I once was in a band playing at a Christian conference. I had a dude who had everyone fall down and people were laying all around. He comes up to me and all of a sudden he's just pushing with everything he has on my head trying to knock me down. I look around and he had pushed me like half the distance of the gym we were in. But I was very much like I may be a Christian but I'm not going to fake anything so you can look more powerful Mr speaker dude.
If dim mak doesn't exist neither does acupuncture...
I understand hand to hand combat, I was in the marines in late 80s and early 90s, we got judo and a few other things. Today all they do is the MMA, that’s good on 1 on1. But if your camp is over ran by enemy 1 on 1 isn’t going to work. Be cause of multiple enemies, you rolling around Locke up with one another just stab you up. I prefer in those situations a bayonet, and forget the straight jab crap swing it jam and whatever take s enemy out and you live
I took “ninjitsu” way back in the late 80s. It wasn’t ninja stuff at all. It ended up being MMA before it was a thing. My instructor was bent on getting us exposed to as many new styles as possible so we count dissect the movements and learn counters. That includes ground work. BJJ was part of it as well. Best training I ever received.
Never did the Hollywood stuff (hiding, swords, throwing stars, etc). Just learned to fight multiple styles and stay fluid.
American Ninja 2 was the best one. Michael Dudikoff for the WIN!!
Enter the Ninja Sho Kosugi makes Michael Dudikoff look even whiter lol
I took Ninjitsu when I was a kid, and my sensei was really good, it was in Ukraine, not in USA
And the level of reverence we had for the craft was deep, we did pretty gnarly conditioning, and it made me a man through it.
We used to do "crocodiles" for "warm up" when you ball your fists, like you are going to do push ups on knuckles, but walked across the floor parallel. Everyone would be bleeding, but damn it build character. All kinds of tough conditioning that made other martial arts and basketball seem so soft to me.
I remember we used to practice quite a lot of stuff I use to this day if I get in a fight, good defense techniques, and it was very good craft to study.
To this day it's one of those martial arts I revere for its' functionality, but it's not the only 1 I took.
Ninja's actually used Ninjitsu, and it was mostly defense techniques to allow you escape the enemy. It does have offensive elements, but it was mostly defensive.
Ninja's are basically assassin bitches, they stab you and run away lol
I genuinely don't know whether that's supposed to be sarcasm.
Ninjas were created for the James bond novels it was and never had been a real group of people or an actual martial arts
@@thekingofwristlocks5894 are you sure buddy?
@@thekingofwristlocks5894 Shinobis were real
@@thekingofwristlocks5894 Harry Potter rode a 7 legged giraffe while he studied to develop the worlds first external combustion dyanamometer...
See, it's not hard to throw bullshit words together.
I think he absolutely nailed it correlating the "chi" punches to the Benny Hinn style "faith touch" phenomenon.
Benny Hinn is a dark lord of the sith 😂
I think its like when the cops think they have been in contact with fentanyl (coptonyte)
Don't laugh my cat Ninny knows Ninnjitsu! 💥💕
Meow!
Broke my thumb recently in a training session in ninjutsu. Yes, some ninjutsu places actually do spar and roll. Sad so many frauds have destroyed what could be a respected art.
I never took any kind of martial arts growing up.
When I joined the Army at 18, they taught us Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
I think they started teaching us BJJ because during combat if for some reason we are unarmed facing an opponent, BJJ is supposed to be the best way to take down an opponent no matter if they are armed or not.
The stuff they taught us I will always remember and use.
BJJ is just Judo
Bjj has way better groundwork than judo
I was a Genbukan student. None of this stuff went down in our dojo.
I did too ,I know several real.ninja , you don't f these guys !
Steve Jennum was a good midcard fighter back in the day. Dude had legit submissions and was the first person to use modern ground and pound.
When I was in the Infantry I met a guy that said he knew "Ninjitsu" Turns out he kicked my ass and 3 others in like 5 seconds....
Yeah right
Man, I was sceptical of the ninjutsu guys even back in the 90s
....and I was like 10. Chuck Norris looked tough though. He came across as legit and turned out he is legit. So Karate and Judo.... At least you could see them in the Olympics so you saw real folks doing it outside of the movies.
Many years ago, when I got out of the army, I took a year of ninjitsu because it was the only martial arts place convenient to where I lived. I did TKD in school, and TBH really wasn't very good. But it was enough to let me kick the crap out of all of the ninja black belts. I was definitely not impressed by the ninjas.
I'll never forget the one and only Ninjitsu guy in the UFC. He botched a takedown attempt and got obliterated by Pat Smith.
There were also one ninjutsu guy how won UFC3 i think
@@thegreekwanderer1762 That's right ... I forgot about Steve Jennum, although he also trained in Taijutsu, Taekwondo, Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, Judo, Wrestling and Boxing (according to his Wikipedia page).
State trooper , Indiana I think @@thegreekwanderer1762
You're playing with fire, Joe. Ninja-fire...
That happened to me at church too and I was at the end of a line of 40 people , they all fell down but I didn't and I expected something to happen the only thing that happened is the preacher kept trying to push me over . I believe in Jesus but some preachers are actors , it angered me a bit because he kept pushing my head.
A good litmus test is whether or not they have valid apostolic succession or not. Chances are if you're not Catholic or EO, your "pastor" is just clowning around.
wow, makes you wonder what else is bullshit about Christianity. Actually, I doubt that.
@@shatteredteethofgod Their remains still exist today.
You have to accept the holy spirit. He enters you and you become him. You become the nightman
@@bobjohnson1633 aaaAAAaaa
Yo shout out from Fayettenam! Born and raised thank you to the 82nd and all troops y’all be blessed
Your mom’s hunt for spirituality is neat. “She just kept looking” that’s amazing to me for some reason.
I read a book when I was a teenager called Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere. Totally changed my life and got me interested in the martial arts
I know exactly the book you're talking about I had it also
If I’m not mistaken the in the early days of the UFC the 2nd UFC champion was a Ninjutsu guy. Royce Gracie won the first two tournaments and he won the 3rd one, and he also was a cop
Chris Farley is the only white ninja
amen
Joe Armstrong is THE white ninja ,he is the American ninja after all
I took free lessons privately from brown/ black stripe who was aspiring to be a high degree level black-belt that wanted a student whom he trained to be a black-belt in Ernie Reyes Sr's west coast system which is a mix of different martial arts put together with the instruction of Tony Thompson.
Never had to do any mystical-sensationalistic nonsense, fake spirituality. Just kicked my butt stretching, training, conditioning, strengthening. Looking back at all the nonsense with martial arts, I was lucky to be a part of that system, which had many useful tactics, including some grappling, hand to hand, defensive footwork, and a lot of kicking which focused on power and speed both. Way before it's time.
Bart Simpson did the death touch, it’s totally a thing.
I learned, and mastered, the art of shin-kick-su in the army.
Awesome Mike Glover.
Being equipped to be dangerous is a virtue... the opposite is a vice.
I have trained in many styles, it's a life changing experience. Bud Malmstrom was my Shihan of Bujinkan Dojo in Atlanta. Ninjutsu is the Art of survival, it's a dead art as Latin is a dead language, but some still speak it! I learned a lot about myself! Some say martial arts don't work, well if they don't work why is the Mixed Martial Arts so prominent and everyone is making money!? Joe Rogan, can you go out in the wilderness and survive? Fuck no you can't! Keep on trucking Bro, I still love ya Man!
i think he can survive
Im not a Martial Arts Guy i just had 3 years of Judo when i was 13 and this is long Time ago but i guess i kinda understand that Mirrorthing he Talks about at the Beginning
So Ninjutsu is translated as the Art to endure so standig for 1h in Front of a Mirror is a Lesson for how long can you endure yourself right?
Check out the last remaining ninja in Japan.. ninja was a real thing in ancient Japan , the ninja from Iga prefecture in Japan was well known to fight against samurai.
Hattori Hanzo was one of the famous ninja during the sengoku jidai period in japan
i know jewjitsu, thats where my lawyer comes in and charges insane amounts of money
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As a Jew, I totally agree with your choice of self defense. Oy vey!🥴🤣
If it’s Saturday do you have to sign paperwork by the candle light?
Badamch
Lmfao
During one of my first days of Navy basic training our Chief RDC hollered out “is anyone here a trained martial artist?” One guy stepped forward and said he was a black belt in karate or something. Chief made him perform his kata in front of the entire division…dude looked like an epileptic ballerina! Funniest thing ever!
1995
Blackbelt ballerina, also nice. He can KO people,by making them laugh to hard.
@@dennishendrikx3228 😂
My CC's at RTC Orlando were pretty chill
Studied American Bujinkan Ninjutsu for 12 years! Taekwondo for 2! Many practical uses for either or both. Most of Ninjutsu comes with the late 80s early 90s stigmas "stealth, weapons, Discipline": and im not saying that stuff aint there. Im just saying, i PROMISE Ninjutsu has "more practical forms" than 'ninja vanish'
The HARD part is mastering it, or at the very least perfecting the art.
Theres a huge difference between 1st Kyu and 15th Dan.
Those movies were fantastic!
UFC is a sport with rules self-defense and street fighting is real
If everyone had their parents pay someone to make kids stand and stare at themselves for one hour without moving today I have no doubt society would improve
Somewhat along these lines, back in the 80s, two of my friends were on a local talk show, with this hypnotist. Think pre-Jerry Springer. My friend got picked to go on stage and be hypnotized. The dude did his thing, saying something like "your legs are like cement and you won't be able to stand up", putting them into a 'trance'.
When he snapped his fingers and told the group to stand up, my friend shot right up, while the rest of the group just sat there, giggling in amazement. He had a shīt-eating grin on his face, as the camera panned off of him. Hilarious!! A video still exists of it somewhere. The Michael Bey Show I think it was called...😂
I took Ninjitsu at Robert Bussey's Warrior international lol.
As long as you don't meet up with pat Smith, you should be fine.
I studied martial arts in the early ~ mid 70's when it was rife with fraud but I got lucky. My 4th dan black belt instructor was one of the best in the country. He actually set a world record in board breaking for charity over a 24 hour period. I had to drop it in 78 because I moved.
Bujinkan is legit but if your sensei isn't teaching you the esoterics and breathing that fuels ninpo then you're just at another Mcdojo
Joe’s gotta look up xu xiaodong. That dude’s story would make for some amazing jre content
Shout-out to my mom for paying God knows what to the head con artist at tiger palm karate. it was a different world back then.
Re: staring in the mirror for an hour:
Can't remember the name of the book, but it's about Japanese Archery.
An exercise mentioned in the book was literally "watching incense burn". Learning to quiet the mind and listening to the heart. The archer releases the arrow in between heart beats to lessen the chance of it altering your aim.
A ninjitsu guy won one of the original UFC's because he was subbed in due to an injury. He was killed in a robbery because he was intervening as an off duty police officer.
Steve Jennum? ...go look him up he's still alive.
The Ninja Cop Steve Jennum who won UFC 3 is very much still alive
All of these ninjutsu haters can't even prove a solid point because they can't even use google to research their own arguments. I rest my case.
@@VajraVidyadhara Thank you. Ninjitsu is outdated in the first world but it served a vital purpose in ancient Japan. Modern America was born with a musket in its hand and has been shitting on anything that doesn't go "pew pew" or look good in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie ever since. I appreciate JRE for what it is and obviously Joe has a lot of respect for Martial Arts in general. He speaks his mind and stands his ground on most topics, even the ones he admits he knows nothing about, and while I think that's and irresponsible and even dangerous way to live, most of the things he's said have been tame in comparison to what trash gets churned out by network and cable news. The only time I've really been irked is when he had that Navy seal on, Zippo or whatever the fuck his name is, and they were trashing Shaolin Kung Fu because some MMA hothead beat the fuck out of a grandmaster in his own country. They went on to say that nothing can beat "ground and pound," because it's what wins most UFC and street fights. For two very knowledgeable and occasionally humble individuals, it really sounded like two cavemen polishing each other's clubs.
@@TGIFrank agreed 100% with what you've said but my comment wasn't aimed at Rogan at all, I see on mostly every ninjutsu video so called experts that keep bashing ninjutsu without any coeherent or constructive criticism. First we need to agree on the fact that what is used today in ninjutsu is mostly for self-defense and it all depends on the practitioner how well he knows to apply the moves properly. Does it help you when someone aims a gun at you? Hell no, if fact no matter how good you are at martial arts you'd have to be insane to make a wrong move in that scenario. Again this is not aimed at you or Rogan, but at the so called experts. Cavemen hahaha I couldn't have said it better myself!
I love that snapshot of Teller telling a board twice
I took karate and found a lot of discipline
after watching a lot of Bruce Lee movies and I was convinced that there was an art to fighting BUT then on accident I made friends with a dojo masters son in elementary school AND my parents had bought me black belt pajamas to wear. Well, after spending the night at this kids house I knew something was off with the
"Dojo Master"... I knew BS artist at age 9 and it actually frightened me... How could a grown adult act out a complete lie about life... Like the whole world just became a big lie of a joke. I gave up the training and quit taking karate completely. Idk what happened to my pal or his family BUT at some point I think the whole dojo was busted for fraud by evading taxes and maybe other stuff... The "dojo master" was married to a Taiwan or Korean wife so he probably fled overseas with his son... To this day I have wondered wth happened...
If you your pal full name. You might be able to find him at facebook.
All martial arts are helpful just take wats useful and you’ll be A tru master
The first martial art I really took was Japanese sword (kenjutsu) and the dojo also taught aikibujutsu/aikido. I had no context of what aikido was and I found the techniques pretty cool.
Anytime I would feed one of my instructors the throw or pin, they would get pissed and tell me to really resist, otherwise I was compromising their actual ability. We also emphasized realistic effectiveness and used strikes and force on the joints for pins and throws. We also practiced some "dirty" techniques. And this was all I knew about the grappling martial art.
I remember going to an exhibition that demonstrated aikido from another dojo and I was totally taken aback by how different it was. Everything was gentle, rhythmic, circular, and kind of peaceful. Completely different from the elbow, wrist, and shoulder snapping techniques I had learned and the violent throws and slams and pins I had been used to.
Later I saw other dojos and their softer styles and understood why it gets a bad wrap.
In retrospect, I would have honestly pushed for even more combat effectiveness. Our repertoire was a bit stifled and limited and honestly I feel we could have been smarter about it. We did pressure test, but we needed to more. We also identified as a koryu dojo, so we didn't peddle tons of belts (I don't think we sold anything, actually). We also kept it very small and exclusive and didn't allow kids since we wanted to maintain a more mature approach. The dojo dissolved shortly after I left for university.
I boxed, too, and I've always been a fan of martial arts. I miss it, too. I'm thinking about finding another club sometime.
Win Chun or Eagle Claw if you like a slightly more modern approach, both excellent if you're main skill is grappling. It incorporates the joint locks and stuff really well, but doesn't skimp on tje jostle and the clinch. Excellent for street where you can't rely on fairness.
Go for it man
A lot of traditional martial arts it a bad rap when in fact I believe they suffer from a lack of actual use from several generations of teachers and students. There were several points in recent history for China, Japan and Korea where martial artists and knowledge of martial arts were persecuted and any who had such knowledge had to disassociate themselves and their arts from actual fighting. Traditional martial arts have their roots and effective techniques but often they need to be resurrected much like HEMA enthusiasts have done for European martial arts.
Joe, instead of talking about Bullshido, I would suggest to take a look on Onmitsu Kage and Dr. Kacem Zoughari PhD. He is currently the historian of Berlin samurai museum and an expert on medieval martial sciences of Japan, ninjUtsu (not ninjitsu for G's sake) included.
real ninjutsu is meant to assassinate, not the best option for sports fighting.
Good point on "Sports Fighting"
Love the default photo with Teller.
It's a legit martial art, I'm going to a secret tournament tonight. I'll probably win.
"Maaaaaa-teeeee"
Ninjutsu is mental physical and spiritual training the art of survival and endurance. Herbal medicine and seeing through the illusion that some people want you to believe and thinking outside the box
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I participated in a ninjitsu dojo for about a year or so. There were some really interesting aspects to it, obviously the weapon training is interesting, they taught every kind of traditional weapon used by samurai. We also did learn how to navigate around in the pitch black silently, those kinds of techniques. The hand to hand striking component of the martial arts was really just karate, and the grappling was really just judo and jujitsu, there really were no differences there. Not everything about the dojo was top tier or the best training you could get, but it was interesting, and we did do a lot of sparring, including the full contact stuff with gloves and headgear. I did freestyle wrestling at a club afterwards, and I'd rank the stuff from the ninjitsu dojo higher as far as being useful as self defense education. No doubt there are a lot of ninjitsu dojo's that are frauds, but just like with HEMA, studying old styles of fighting is a legitimate hobby as well.
No they didn’t.
Maybe try a nijutsu dojo next, yolo.
@@bustamango863 😳
@@bustamango863 didn't what?
@@bustamango863 No you didn't.
In kempo class back on the 90s my instructor jad me bring in a coconut from the store one time,i gave it to him,he held it in his left hand, and said this is soft palm. Be lifted his roght hand about 10 inches above it ,and sort of just let his right palm free fall on the Coconut,it split in two,thats the coolest thing i seen in the dojo.
I'm with Magneto: I don't know Karate, But I know Crazy...Lol 🤭
James Brown actually said this 1st; but we respect Magneto too 😎
James Brown- the big pay back 73'
Funky ass tune if I say so myself
Yeah this is James brown
You didn't even do the quote justice by putting in the affect in order to pronounce it. 16 people just blindly liked the comment
@@hallucinato2307 then gosh dang it finish it then... I done enough by meeting you halfway with it... Gosh dang y'all are just so darn extra... I can't be expected to do all the thinking by myself now can I??? Where your brains at? Help me out dang it, because I ain't perfect and don't know it all, and that's why we have one another for and suppose to help one another out.. especially if you see I'm straddling the fence...🤦🏽♀️do it some justice by helping me out, rather than talk foolishly against me...
If anyone wants to see Ninjitsu in action go and watch UFC 2 Pat Smith VS Scott Morris. This is THE fight that I watched as a teenager in the 1990s that has always stuck with me more than any other. That was the day the McDojo was invented 😂😂
The fact that you are asking what ninjutsu is, defines nnjutsu.
For the longest time I couldn't see your guest.
The quality of ninjutsu instructors varies widely, even within the same organization.
True of every martial art also. The instructors can be good or bad. When you are young they all seem like rockstars until you find out in real fights the “dirty” moves you aren’t allowed to do are the ones that typically win the fight. And the form can actually be an impedance if held to to rigidly
I tried ninjutsu when i was younger, and it was actually pretty good. No bullshido kinda moves, it was mostly like karate and jujitsu kind. And sword evading and practice. We couldn't afford the lessons at the time but i still liked it. But seeing some of the videos lately of the pink haired master down in Japan put me a bit off
Back in the 80s, Ninja movies were like the zombie movies of today -- everybody was making them.
That fake touch passing out bullshit at church is part of what opened my eyes to the bullshit.
Went to a weekend retreat in LA and they did the passing out thing. I was fully expecting to feel something but ALL THAT HAPPENED is the person touching you is PUSHING your head down while the "helpers" keeping you from "falling" are just ALSO PUSHING you down.
That's what opened your eyes? - What about the entire SciFi nonsense of religion in the first place?
That doesn’t happen in most churches.Been in church 43 years never seen that in person and don’t know anyone that has.
I read the book true path of a ninja and it exploits the facts that ninjas were not the same as movies make them out to be. Real ninjas were more like cia agents and undercover agents of today.
Real ninjas were literally farmers on the Korean Peninsula that were being oppressed by the samurai from Japan. Ninja “weapons” were just modified farming tools. It wasn’t until later on that they formed clans and started wearing the cool clothes and assassinating people.
There's a really good documentary about the last ninja and they go into what it was really about. Espionage and political warfare with a little assassin work thrown in. I can't remember what the name of the docu is for the life of me.
@@black_hand78 ninjas never wore American ninja costumes.
@@black_hand78 keep spreading bargain bin paperback "knowledge" 🤣🤣
That’s an Antony Cummins book. Careful with that guy; I nearly fell for the shtick as well but he’s been pretty widely debunked, especially by lifelong koryu practitioners & students of the now defunct ancient Japanese dialect the scrolls were written in, and not just from people within ninpo organisation like the Bujinkan or Genbukan.
I thought it was pretty convincing that he was citing only the source material, but in fact he has a Japanese national (who knows English but not the dialect she’s translating from) translate, then he smooths out the inconsistencies in her broken English translations before interpreting results into what they _might_ mean today & editing them according to which book he wants to put them in. By the time they’re published, the source material has been seriously stepped on.
Yoooooo!! I a way at fort Bragg at that time!! Spring lake was a helluva place!! Man the memories and near death experiences!!!
Thank heavens for MMA bringing martial arts out of that dark age. This is why during that whole time if you boxed at your local PAL you were way more formidable than just about anyone taking "Karate". The majority of places teaching martial arts were BS. MMA got rid of bs so that now it is possible to learn the best techniques and not get ripped off.
True story dude. My father put me in martial arts/ karate and stuff as a kid because I was always fighting in the streets, had anger problems. Karate and shit taught me discipline and to remain calm while I'm getting hit and smacking the dog shit out of men that would confront me. But yeah dude you're right, "karate only works if both people know karate " some comedian
@@jeffmccloud905 thank you , im trying to imply one's singular welcome.. not you are welcome but it's your personal welcome
Theres an even better technique for self defense and protection.
Its called point aim exhale and squeeze.
It never fails.
@@djshad1885 my 1st line of Defense are my legs. I use them to 🏃♀️
@@djshad1885 you can survive a gun shot, the only guns with a high mortality rate (like above 80%) are shotguns (or .22 if you shoot them in the head lol). But I prefer blades, I like to feel my victims, I mean attackers, soul leave their body.
I was really hoping he was gonna say when he went to that tent revival that he looked over and saw his Ninjitsu instructor. That would’ve been great.
80s legends aside, Ninjitsu is basically Japanese jujutsu with some weapons thrown in, and cool black uniforms. They used to be like the samurai centuries ago. Today's modern equivalent to the skilled assassin ninjas of the past would be military special forces. Wanna be a ninja? Go train as a SEAL or Ranger.
Well honestly the ones calles "ninjas" back in the feudal era were more of spies and and informants. They did sometimes carry out assassinations but it definitely wasn't like depicted in movies and shit. For the most part they were looked down on and seen as extremely "dishonorable" or "cheap trick" type of person. But in war, the point is to win, and alot of times when the samurai didnt want to do the dirty work themselves, they would hire "ninja" (which were basically just peasents who had training in old school espionage) to be the spies/carry out an assassination attempt, especially since they were expendable if caught.
Thats also why most "ninja weapons" are just farm tools converted into weapons. Thats what they had access to so its what they used
Ninjutsu is espionage tactics. Basically CIA, MI6.
Ninja never wore black. That's a carryover from Noh theater where stagehands would wear black to signal to the audience not to pay attention to them. In Japan black is the color associated with facelessness so the idea that a stealth expert wearing an outfit meant to be thought of as 'invisible' made sense.
In reality a ninja would dress like a monk or a servant, somebody nondescript so they wouldn't be paid attention to. Ninja were spies, thieves, or saboteurs more often than they were assassins. They would infiltrate an enemy castle or stronghold and start fires or steal information. The "art" of being a Ninja refers to techniques on how to not leave a trail when evading capture, or how to hide either in plain sight or using disguises.
Ninjitsu in Japan was guerrilla warfare
Death touch might be getting punched or a palm strike to the heart
Love his cousin was just messing with them hilarious. Also besides some good mental discipline I can definitely say that 5 years of typical TKD is useless in a real fight especially if the other guy knows how to box.
Taught ATA mckicking and mcpunching for 5 years, this is true for like 95 percent of its practicioners lol
All those guys need to do is add street scenarios to their training. Teach fight IQ & psychology too! Look at how predator criminals target their victims... then train specifically for scenarios like that.
Too many ppl of any system have only trained but never fought for real. So they're just following tradition! Fighting & the foundation to be good at it, is much more than just physical. TKD, Karate, Aikido, etc etc can all use some constructive criticism, instead of simply laughed to scorn.
The Ninja Trilogy from Cannon Films. Golan & Globus. Enter The Ninja, Revenge Of The Ninja and Ninja 3 The Domination. The latter two rule. 👍🏻
sho kosugi was the ninja guy....was he for real?
Yes, he was a legit martial artist and actor. He knew Judo, Jits, Aikido, Kobuto, Kendo, Karate, and Ninjitsu. Of course the movies are not realistic, but the quality is there.
Mike it spot on about the martial arts places around Ft. Bragg.
Ninjutsu is a combination of Ninpo and Jujitsu. BJJ is what Joe learns and that is mainly just Jujitsu and Judo mixed. So technically in a way Joe is also learning Ninjutsu so I wouldn't be too hard on it. The Jujitsu within Ninjutsu is only slightly altered as far as joint locking in a way that they would move slightly more circular to get the lock while Jujitsu moves slightly more straightforward. This was altered for better weapon evasion on the battlefield instead of the more straightforward movements used in the dojo by Jujitsu. The ground game training is similar but isn't used as much in Ninjutsu as Jujitsu because because getting the information or the assassination and getting out through evasion was key. If they got caught and it went to the ground they already lost their escape time because the other samurai would hear the commotion and they can sandle shoot quick af up those stairs.
The mirror thing was to weed out the weak kids that didn’t really want to be there. It wasn’t a mirror, it was a door.
Damn dude, your coming out with a pocket full of wisdom on a subject of absurdity. Well played old boy. Well played...
Wow that’s so spiritual and deep… Or it was one of the million tactics used that require the absolute least involvement from instructors, aka easy work, and it just so happened to work for this guy. Seen shit like this a hundred times. Anyone can tell someone to look in the mirror, if it works you say I told you so, if it don’t you say oh well you aren’t ready, it’s absolutely a scam lol
@@ETAisNOW lol yea or that. More than likely it’s your version. But imagine if it’s my version and he saw it as a door after hours of staring at himself. I gotta try this out and charge people. Either way I’ll be right.
@@HoonAgain eat mushrooms first.
@@ETAisNOW solid advice! Jim Morrison approves this message. The doors await.
Mike Glover!!!!
I felt that way about judo, too friendly (i know, but i didnt stick with it lol), so i tried modern arnis/esgrima since im part filipino and it looked interesting. Learning to machete fight was a lot of fun :)
There is fighting judo and there is safe bullshit judo. Lots of martial arts are like that
Youre ready for England
I wonder what his thoughts on Paul Vunak is?
in my first ninjutsu lesson i had to kick a bag in the balls for 40 minutes.
I learned Steven Hayes ninjutsu from my sifu who did train with Steven Hayes.The meditations have might merit. But its a case of how much belief do you have in it.
For instance we did a meditation. In which are intention was to focus on are heart beat. Feel it,sense it,hear it.
The premise was that if we could move and only hear and feel are heart beat. We would be silent.
I think it worked. I was way more aware of my surroundings and how I moved.
But did it actually work I don't know.