Of course Brad Pitt beat Bruce Lee. He used to have his own fight club in a restaurant basement (I shouldn't talk about that) and he was the Irish gypsy fighting champion.
wel bruce had multiple gyms where he tought jet kun do the man developed his own fighting style and he was never beat by annyone,brat pits charc cant say that can he. and its not just that bruce never got beat no1 ever came even close.
“Hey Jamie clip him saying that, post it, and then pull that shit up of him saying it and me telling you to post it and pull it up... It’s time to get meta in this son of a bitch. Damn this weed is good.” - Roe Jogan
Well, fortunately for him and everybody else, he fought his fanboy instinct and didn't start a childish argument with Tarantino, losing the audience and Tarantino's respect in the process.
Mac its alright, a 130 pound movie star couldn’t beat up a much larger fictional protagonist green beret. That doesn’t mean enter the dragon wasn’t a good movie.
I feel like if Bruce Lee was alive, he would be secure enough to not make a huge deal about a movie that honestly is the worst movie Tarantino ever made.
I don't really agree with that and I'm not sure where it's referred to that Bruce thought stuntman were ridiculous. Also wasn't Bruce a bit of a street fighter in his younger days, that's why he left Hong Kong to go to the States. I'm sure Bruce wasn't a Saint but the movie painted him in a very unflattering and, I feel, undeserved light.
Quentin was talking a lot of bullshit then. Bahahahaha if they were in. the jungle man! WTF you on about QT. Love the guy but doesn't know whats up. Bruce Lee wasn't even in Tournaments lol
I definitely picked up the same vibe, especially when he almost cut off Tarantino to chime in. He was itching at the bit to defend Lee a bit but decided against it.
Rogan decided it wasn't worth it because he realized that it's QT and that Tarantino has done his homework on Bruce whereas Joe hadn't. Not many movie makers research more than Quentin when it comes to his movies and the who's and what's going on in them.
Tarantino: “I’m a little hesistant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the only thing to be pulled from this show.” Joe Rogan: Right JRE- let's make it a clip!
u come up with that all by your own big boy? or is that someone elses thought repackaged for imaginary clout? jw, cause its obvious, n i dont understand why
@@trope5105 u monitoring the comments big boy? if some1 else posted a similar thought, who would had thunk it? jw, cause it's a free world and i dont understand why an accident is rubbing you so bad
BRUH I’m over here wondering on that statement while watching this.. while at the same time facepalming myself, because I think I gotta get Spotify to finish this episode 😩😩
pretty much right!? He had his flaws. The 30 for 30 showed me he died a little different than I believed as a kid. But yeah that is about the way you would expect Steven Segal and his skills to be portrayed.
@@admaanhason7410 Bruce Lee was a real martial artist! A philosopher and an actor! He is considered to be the pioneer for what was to become MMA later on! He taught students in martial arts before and after he became an actor! Created a new style of fighting and broke all taboos that were pretty much keeping martial arts in place until then making it possible to advance martial arts in effectiveness. Donny Yen is another actor who is a real martial artist and knows the art of Bruce Lee. Once Donny Yen had a fight with 8 guys in a bar and sent them all to the hospital and he is not even a fraction of Bruce Lee. Enough with this idiotic way of thinking. Just because someone is an actor doesn't always mean everything is an act! To give you more examples Mayim Bialik who plays Amy in the Big Bang Theory is an actual neurologist with a phd in the field! Dolph Lundgren is a black belt in karate and he is also a chemist! Chuck Norris karate world champion. I could give you more but you get the gist...
@@MysticalJessicaNo, he actually wasn't lol. He never fought anyone in any official capacity. Ever. Intentionally. Dude was an absolute Bullshido master.
In the book, “Bruce Lee” written by Bruce’s first JKD student Jesse Glover he wrote, “Bruce believed that there is always someone who can beat you in a fight if the circumstances are right and that to walk around thinking that you can’t be beaten is a foolish mistake that can end your life. unfortunately, this isn’t a popular concept in the minds of many martial arts people. the path that Bruce followed was to live each day with the knowledge that he could be defeated by an expert or novice at any given time.”
@@sylvester465 khabib, andre ward, Lomachenko when hes not injured, and more impressively, bruce lee who had most american black belt and pro strikers and wrestlers after him especially at a racist time in America and knowing he hadn't been beaten while going around beating teachers in every dojo he got into which was all bare knuckle
I love that scene so much. From a storytelling scene it tells us two things: This isn't "our" history. It's a dark fairy tale like the title suggest. Two, it tells us what we need to know about Cliff. Even if we're upset as Bruce Lee fans, we subconsciously believe that if he can go toe to toe with him, Cliff's a badass. This scene literally sets up the entire last act and a half of the film.
He can't go toe to toe with him though. It's total BS. Bruce is actually faster than what was depicted in the film. Tarantino literally made Bruce look like a clown
lmao you're living in fantasy land but you know maybe bruce lee could dodge a lightning strike because he was so fast. maybe he was fast enough to never get hit. maybe he was fast enough to do parlour tricks and never take part in a real fight @@martinigasolini4062
@@martinigasolini4062 As Tarantino has said, if he decides that Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee, then Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee. Bruce is a real person, Cliff is a Hollywood fiction. Of course he can beat up Bruce Lee, because he isn't operating within reality. I don't even understand what you are talking about. The Bruce Lee in the movie could have been twice as fast, twice as strong, twice as smart and so on as the real Bruce Lee and Cliff would have still beaten him, because that is how it was written. You are not, to my mind, making any damn sense. To me it sounds like you are just going: This is BS, no one can beat up my childhood hero!
“ I’m hesitant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the one thing people pull from this show” Joe uploads a small clip of this one thing. 🤣😂😭
It kinda sucks that Jaime or whoever decided to pull this clip for UA-cam. There was so much more interesting stuff in this interview, prob my favorite since the Spotify nightmare began
Pretty sure that everyone that’s on the Bruce Lee side of things can’t stand what QT has to say. If this topic was never discussed, literally no one would watch any of the interview.
@@mikobel7131 The people getting all mad at QT and trying to cancel him for his portrayal of Bruce clearly don't know much about film history and also have not watched enough Hong Kong martial arts films from the 70s to know just how much the very same industry that made him into a legend would go on to exploit his legacy and make a complete mockery of Bruce all for a quick buck, there was a genre of Kung Fu movies called Bruceploitation where Hong Kong and even some Hollywood directors would cast stunt men who kinda looked like Bruce in films and market them as authentic Bruce Lee films after his death....not to mention how he was made into a caricature in an episode of Dragonball where Goku beats him up, in many video games like Fei Long in Street fighter, Law in Tekken and even Donnie Yen from the Ip Man films made a movie recently called Enter the Fat Dragon where he plays an overweight caricature of Bruce Lee....so these Bruce Lee cultists who outraged at QT should go do a little bit of research, their god has been mocked many times before you're just not aware of it....I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan myself but fuck do some people worship him to the point of it being a religion where they make him out to be some kind of flawless super human when he didn't even view himself that way nor did he make all the claims that people make of him
@@cyborgchicken3502 this has nothing to do with being a cultist. It’s about portrayal of an icon that, to your point, launched an entire industry of film in his image. Albeit a strong portrayal/caricature. I don’t know who QT talked to but he basically ignored people that was in Bruce Lees circle and knew him best. Yes, the movie is fictitious but just because you can do an asshat portrayal of him doesn’t mean you should. QT dug in on his belief that Bruce Lee is an ahole no matter what people tell him. Even when his family tells him that what he did was shitty.
That book is awesome. Get the book and the Audible so you can read along. I think it was Van Williams who, when discussing Bruce hurting stuntmen, said that they had him direct a scene and shoot it the way he liked - tagging the stuntmen. Then they showed him what he shot and he realized that it looked better when the hits didn't land.
in China, it was expected that the stuntmen took the hit and didn't complain about it whereas in the states, they tried to avoid getting hit if possible. That's why he was tagging them. It's what was expected from the stuntmen in his culture. Jackie Chan talked about it also and how he had to adapt to it bc he use to be a stuntman.
All these complaints about how stuntmen felt is a bit rich coming from Quentin Tarantino. He paid no attention to Uma Thurman's worries about a stunt scene in Kill Bill. He fobbed her off and convinced her he'd ensure it would be safe. But it wasn't safe, and led to a serious car crash. Tarantino endangered Uma Thurman's LIFE, and she's been left with long-term neck and knee injuries as a result of working with him.
@@GMBethHarmon QT isn't complaining, he's explaining his portrayal of Bruce Lee based on Bruce Lee's actual behavior. This comment disproves nothing. It's possible for QT to be a scumbag and be correct about BL being an asshole.
@sabbracadabra Exactly. Where did he get this made up information? From jealous fucks who hated how great Bruce was. If trashatino had done any research, he would've known Bruce was literally training like a killer.
You can see that in the fight scenes in movies like Big Trouble in Little China with the large cast of Asian stuntmen/martial artists. They are really giving it to each other.
It’s well documented that Bruce Lee was an egotist and an A-hole to a lot of people- Tarantino was on point with the portrayal of Lee in the movie, sorry to say. :/
Lol shit i didnt even know cliff was fake until i looked it up, tarantino making up a character based off of stories he heard. Seems about right, because that bruce lee in the movie was not accurate. Theres many real fighters and even kareem who trained and got to know bruce has never said anything bad about bruce. Yes he can be cocky but still he is a real good fighter also, not fake.
@@RandyFromTheMarsh maybe he's not wrong. He didn't mention a specific top UFC....i mean a UA-camr with an inflated ego fucked up a top UFC fighter sooooo...😂😂😂
Quentin: The reason why I didn't want to talk about it is so that someone doesn't just take THIS and make a thing out of it. Joe: Jamie, crop that clip of Quentin talking about Bruce Lee.
The backstory of Cliff is that he fought with the Filipino resistance. I think you should Google that rebel group then watch the end and what Tarantino says about Bruce seeing the stance and realizing what it was. Its for Killing. Not Tagging. If Cliff got a hold of Bruce as a much bigger man and as a distinguished jungle Guerilla warfare combatant with of The most distinguished allied rebel group of world war 2 I'd say it's very plausible if Cliff got a hold of Bruce he would not survive 9/10 times and I love Bruce. Sorry.
That's crazy! It makes so much sense now! Jackie Chan told the story several times about how Bruce Lee hit him on set and after the scene was over Bruce went up to Jackie and started apologizing like crazy and felt so bad for hitting him! Chinese stuntmen are prepared for getting hit for real by accident, but the difference in culture is that American stuntmen are not prepared to get hit, intentional or accidental. That might be why Bruce was so irritated by American stuntmen is because they complained about it whereas it's in the job description for Chinese stuntmen. You can even watch older movies and see how much of a gap there is between fighting contact in American movies, but a lot of Asian movies you can see the stuntmen or actors actually getting tagged especially when they use the white powder to dramatize the contact effects.
Joe turns into Brendan around people he's made fun of when they weren't there, I cringe whenever he has a ex wwe star (undertaker comes to mind), he acts like he hasn't shit on there entire industry a 100 times 🤣
@@Rozza2k He's a professional shit talker, he's talked shit about everyone at some point. Real people can handle that and still converse. Also wrestling is fake.
For a director and film producer I don't believe Quentin didn't know the difference between American and Asia stunt filming at the time. Asia has a lot more physical contact in their filming to create that realism and most stuntmen and actor accepted and agreed to it. In James Bonds Tomorrow never dies - Michelle Yeoh said in a interview the western producers wanted her to work with her own team because of her former work. The fight scene was more intense than originally planned and they did it in far less takes because the team know and trust each other. Bruce Lee at his time wanted that same impact and effect in his western movies which western stuntmen didn't like or want. A lot of the Asian stuntmen including Jackie Chan who worked with Bruce Lee knew and expected it. If you ever grew up watching 70s, 80s & 90 Asian martial arts movies, a lot had outtakes at the end showing injury's and failed stunts from all members of the team as a way to show the world, "look everyone we did this for you". 😊
Actually he did. Which was the point he was making. Bruce Lee's treatment of American stuntman, who weren't as prepared and trained the way HK stuntman were, shows his lack of concern
Not only that in asian movies the stuntmen would not get paid unless their scene made it past editing n onto the big screen. So they would offer a stuntman $500 let me tag u to make it look good n u get paid from the film studio...so they would do it bcuz thats a guaranteed pay day. Quintin has to know that but wont tell joe to make lee look like a douche.
@@omarlives Not to look like a douche, he just thinks it is being unprofessional. Personally I love Bruce Lee’s movies way more than our Western baloney but eh what are you gonna do. I also find it funny that all of the Stuntmen hated Bruce Lee but is still one of the most well known action stars to this day lolllll.
Tarantino's claim that Lee had no respect for stuntmen runs contrary to the claims of Jackie Chan himself, who stunted on two of Lee's movies. According to Chan, when Lee accidentally hit him for real in a sequence, after "Cut!" was yelled he became very concerned for Chan and literally cradled him in his arms (while Chan, loving the attention, sucked it up and pretended to be more hurt than he was because he was enjoying Lee's concern for him). I'll take Chan's words over Tarantino's on this, since he worked with him. Tarantino also doesn't seem to have done his homework on Lee, basically claiming that Lee was essentially just a tournament fighter who fought in a tournament style with tournament rules when Lee never actually fought once in a tournament in his entire life. He was a streetfighter.
@@darenmcneese8006 but Bruce is American, he was born in San Francisco, works in Hollywood, graduated from Washington State University and married an American woman... He never disliked working with American Stunts, he basically wanted to make some scenes not be so fictional but more realistic as they were in Hong Kong so there could be real hits that some but not all doubles as he was not willing to put up with, but Bruce He was always distinguished by the well-being of the people, a star of action films like Jackie Chan in his beginnings was part of the stunt crew in Hong Kong and was beaten by Bruce Lee, and right after filming the scene he was attended by himself Lee who not only apologized to him but gave him all possible assistance, so that comment is very unfair..... Now, it is not understood why Tarantino says that Lee was in martial arts tournaments, when Bruce, being very young, only participated and won a boxing tournament, yes boxing, in Hong Kong and he only did some martial arts exhibitions but did not participate on a professional level in it to continue focusing more on his acting career and being able to study other martial arts such as kung fu, tai chi, karate and street fighting, so basically he not only studies acting but also becomes a pioneer special of the style of mixed martial arts that exists today in a pro level.... I honestly have a lot of respect for Tarantino, but in this particular case, the scene goes beyond the portrayal of reality with that fake situation scene... Analyzing the scene there are several errors, Bruce never used a flying kick out of nowhere in a sparring test, he was usually too calm in any test, or challenge and did not telegraph his movements at first as it happens in that scene, although it was very challenging with his look, he was not so cocky, he was also too fast, therefore not easy to catch, and not so light despite his appearance when in reality he was a subject with a lot of physical strength, in the case of the scene versus cliff stuntman The most probable thing is that if Bruce knocked him down against the concrete, then in reality he would have knocked out Cliff or left him in a bad condition in his head and Bruce himself would have offered to collaborate, he was not a bullie, because he understood very young by the hard way that being a bullie is stupid and a sign of cowardice and weakness, and even when Bruce filming the green hornet made arrogant comments to sell the character, in his personal life he was someone very focused, even a valid opinion of a true full contact martial arts champion as the great chuck norris has been recognizes how good Bruce was as a martial artist... It's not about idolizing a man who could maybe get differences with others, could have made mistakes and probably had some wrong attitude that wasn't well understood for a while, but in the face of this, Tarantino made a bad move here with arguments mistaken overreaching the staging and forgetting to respect Lee's legacy in martial arts and his contribution to cinema with his ideas creating a new style, catalog or genre in addition to politically breaking racial differences or derogatory comments towards the Asian-American people since then...
@@nicedoppy2077 no one said he disliked Americans but didn't like American Stuntman who werent willing to take the same type of hits as the Asian stuntman. I don't even know if dislike is the correct term. The Asian stuntman were willing to do whatever was needed to make the shot look as good as possible. The Americans weren't willing do take do it
Interesting breakdown on Bruce's attitude toward stuntman; Jackie Chan was one in Fist of Fury and Chan tells the story of Bruce tagging him and being apologetic over the shot. Jackie Chan has also been critical of Western stuntman; maybe it's a cultural thing.
Those Kung Fu films are crazy though and seems to have very relaxed safety regulations. Corridor crew has done some videos reacting to Kung Fu stuntmen
I think it more of a perfection thing Jackie and Bruce would do take after take to get the scene right American stuntmen back in the day where more of a one take can and lets go to lunch kind of guys. This didn't fly with Jackie and Bruce who wanted a perfect product and who can blame them their work and fight scenes became their legacy so in the long run they where right.
but with Jackie Chan, he literally broke his fucking nose and even Jackie Chan said himself that was the hardest he's ever been hit in his whole career
So glad I came across this interview with Tarantino, I always wondered what the actual story was behind the scene where Cliff fights with Bruce Lee, it's the one scene that always sticks out in my head when I first think of "Once upon a time in Hollywood". Some redeeming facts here about Lee and maybe why he was replaced by David Carradine in the series "Kung FU"?
Huh? He was replaced by David Carradine because David Carradine was WHITE. Asians barely had any acting roles in america back then. Bruce Lee became a big star but he was the lead actor in Chinese movies until Enter the Dragon which was a partnership with Warner Bros. That only happened because he started a production company pumping out banging hit movies in Asia.
This reminds me when Joe had Bas Rutten on the show and they were discussing something similar. Bas had remarked that someone had told him that he’d be handicapped in a street fight cause there are no rules. Bas’ response was, “What, you think I can’t fight without rules? If anything, I’d be MORE dangerous.”
@Miguelits Milton Lmao the worst UFC fighter will whoop the best non-MMA trained Navy SEALs’ ass. It doesn’t matter if you’re “militarily trained”, if u have no background in striking, wrestling or submission you’re gonna lose every time.
@Shadow Man Because if you're bringing over Chinese to do martial arts in a film where they're KNOWN for a very specific style of combat and engagement, then it's going to be standard for them to employ what THEY KNOW in your film. Otherwise, hire Americans.
@Shadow Man cool. What you said was Bruce should respect the norms of the country he's in. Fair. However, he made movies utilizing a Chinese martial art. And since that aspect of Chinese culture is central to those movies, maybe the people that want to be involved should respect Chinese culture and not cry about it. Otherwise dont take part.
I've also heard that a lot of stunt men in Hong Kong constantly complain about Donnie Yen being arrogant. When it comes to Jackie Chan, Sammo and Yuen Biao I've never heard any complaints about them when they train with foreign stuntmen or stuntmen from Hong Kong.
@@davidmayberry3190 Exactly it's a fake person. This fake person is a killer and can fight. lol people are mad that fake people can win in fake scenarios. lol smh
@@Numenorean921 I mean he was about 135 pounds but jesus a kick in the face in a street fight is a shocking thing to see, I mean you just dont expect it in really life outside a bar etc. Have to give a really good kicker the advantage I think
When did he act like he wasn't though? He has to spell it out for you? Q already seen the episode where joe talks about it. You're confusing you not knowing how to have a conversation with joe lying
@@LookzA him and a schaub debated it, if I remember right joe didnt like the portrayal, Schaub thought it a funny scene, and realistically didnt hurt Lee's image, being such a venerated figure in martial arts.
@@tobe1207 he literally said that he had a huge problem with the scene on a previous episode with Brendan Schaub from about a year ago. I'll find the link
LeBell said, “I went and worked out with [Lee] at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”
That's what leans me towards thinking he was actually a decent guy, Lebell doesn't seem to me to be a guy that would suffer fools gladly and if Lee had been a dick he'd 100% of said that.
I have watched 5+ documentaries about Bruce Lee, read 5+ books about Bruce Lee & 5+ books by Bruce Lee. All evidence I have seen in those docos & books supports the major criticisms people have made about that movie scene & about Tarantino's claims. E.g. Tarantino claims Bruce was a competition fighter. In reality, Bruce is famous among martial artists for rejecting competitions as having unrealistic rules compared with full contact sparring without rules. Bruce is famous for having been in many real fights. There is no evidence that anything like that movie scene happened to Bruce in real life - in reality, the evidence shows that by the time Bruce Lee moved (back) to the USA as an adult, he was winning all of his real life fights. Furthermore, Bruce is famous among us martial artists for being all about economy of movement (for maximum speed and minimum telegraphing) in his martial arts (that is one of the principles of Bruce Lee's martial art "Jeet Kune Do"). So, e.g. he would not have done a flying kick. He would have probably done something economical & fast, e.g. kick that Brad Pitt character in the knee or shin and then finish him off with some strikes to the head (perhaps led by an eye gouge, if the opponent was dangerous). So why did Bruce do flying kicks in his movies? Because Bruce Lee's movie performances were NOT about realism, but about showing off to make the fights more entertaining.
I have not watched 5 books about Bruce Lee, 5 documentaries about Bruce Lee and 5 books by Bruce Lee himself... and not being a fan of Bruce Lee I could say that in real life he would never do those flying kicks. That flying kick, especially the second, is very uncharacteristic of him. (He would never do the first one too).
He should've apologized cause in real hand to hand combat with no Madison Square garden rules Bruce was even better he would've killed any ww2 vet or whoever. Bruce was the best Martial Arts expert on the fucking planet QT doesn't know shit
Who else could hear "Holy fucking dog shit man , hilarious , I remember back in the day , a buddy of mine , a coke dealer used to be an asshole too , they're out there Joe " JOE : I came to that realization on dmt , unbelievable .
@Chris Tasse I'm sure he cares about his characters. A lot. But as insane as Tarantino is, I don't think he actually believes they are real. Or at least I hope not. lol
And for that and a lot more he is a great director, thats why you fall in love with any character of his movies It does not matter whether they are the bad or the good ones, that important portion of realism on his scenes is what makes it magnificent, see di caprio's scene in django for example ppl realize it which is considered one of the best scenes of all time
I've watched quite a few, Bruce Lee interviews. I don't remember hearing Bruce Lee talking negatively about any form of Martial Art or any another Martial Artist.
@@AngryBanan4 Being in front of the camera is irrelevant. This was when the world didn't know much about martial arts so Bruce was introducing it to us. He did talk doen in Japanese martial arts like Karate which makes sense on how he explains it.
Full circle what the white people say is the truth... That is the truth.. I mean there are multiple sources even Americans that say the opposite of what they say he was here... Remember that back then Hollywood was not shy with being Racist.. And everyone who knows Bruce he was a very intelligent and educated man. He even admired Muhammed Ali saying "I've never in my life seen a man that big and heavy (he actually said the right numbers I don't know them :p) that could jump around the arena like that for 15 Rounds and could keep going" Jackie chan tells a story where Bruce actually hit him with a nunsaku in a movie scene and keept on going as a professional and when they yelled cut.. He goes straight towards Jackie chan apologetically. So I mean... I rather believe these other sources than creepy Hollywood people... Chuck norris has also only said nice positive thing about him (his personality)
This reminds me of Bruce Lee killing Chuck Norris in the Way of the Dragon. Made me wonder how Americans viewed him after killing their hero. So I don't blame Tarantino for being a jackass.
@@fatimalobi6382 LOL Way of the Dragon was Chuck's debut in movies. Chuck Norris was a nobody prior to that movie. Nobody knew him or followed him. Bruce Lee launched Chuck's career and made him relevant.
It's pretty common in Hong Kong cinema to actually hit stuntmen for real. Even until very recently. Donnie Yen pays guys extra to let him knock them out for film. KNOCK OUT. Not just hit.
Funny, because everything the public has read about first hand accounts by stunt men. Was that Bruce was incredibly polite and considerate. Jackie Chan's account was completely the opposite of what Tarantino is saying.
@@sufferyetgain I can only speculate that he had more respect for the higher level of punishment asian stuntmen performed at. American stuntmen have always been outstanding in their own right but asian stuntmen take it to another level in general.
Which proofs that Bruce also used to hit Chinese stuntmen aswell, not just Americans. He wanted the fights to look realistic. And that is why stuntmen are paid for, btw.
I wish he would own it. he also talked so much shit about Tarantino putting on a fake black voice when talking with black people. suddenly he doesn't think to mention it.
And it was Cliffs memory too 💁🏽♂️ obviously his perspective is gonna be at least somewhat different from the “truth” in the movie and/or Bruce’s perspective in the movie
@@jdailey01230 not the whole movie but that scene… it starts out with cliff leaving the movie set and going back to Ricks to fix a antenna or satellite on the roof and then he has a flashback to the Bruce Lee incident
@Matias Martinez and I’m not saying Quentin acknowledged what I said being the only or full truth but I think anybody that has watched that movie knows that it’s at least a small part of it… why didn’t they just show the Bruce lee scene when they were all talking about it at the movie set, like they did with Cliffs wife’s death ??
As someone who has seen all of Bruce Lee's films, watched all the behind-the-scenes documentaries, and read all of his books, it's clear to me that Tarantino completely misses the mark on Bruce's character. Bruce Lee was actually very careful around stuntmen. What Tarantino is saying here is a complete fabrication. Tarantino lacks candor and is a liar--at least in regards to Bruce Lee. It's disappointing because I used to be a really big Tarantino fan, but it's hard to respect an artist that deliberately lies for no reason. Artists are supposed to reveal deeper truths about society, people, etc. This is just cringe-inducing and mean-spirited.
Yeah Jacky was in Enter the Dragon and Fist of Fury. He wasn't beaten up by him. He accidentally caught him and apologised profusely afterwards. Sammo Hung and Bruce had a REAL fight. To this day Sammo wont talk about it
Why wouldn't he? He was a stuntman. He was never a fighter. There is zero fighting in any of his movies they're all stunts. If you tried that for real you'd get killed. And i liked his movies. I don't know him as a person. But i don't like how he appears to be selling out to the CCP but he probably has no choice because he has family in China. I wouldn't blame him for that. If i lived in China i wouldn't oppose the CCP because they'll kill you and not even think twice.
Cognitive dissonance and wokeness is a crazy drug, look at him fight through it. How hard is it to believe that an Asian man in the very different world of the 1960's and 1970's might not love stuntmen or respect them because of how he was treated by them. I hate wokeness, but look at it from Bruce's perspective, it isn't so hard to believe, not to me at least. It was all a show; smoke and mirrors if you will. I was a JRE fan since 2012 or so, man I can't stand him now or watch his stupid show. Way to be loyal to your "fRiEnDs" when the woke mafia comes for them. What a sellout and a bad human being. I cannot get over how long I was grifted.
@@notsocrates9529 I have no idea half the stuff you're saying, but I totally agree that Rogan has changed. He used to be awesome, but has gone done the toilet.
@@dadthelad tl;dr version: Rogan touted himself as this open minded stoner everyman who questioned everything. In the end, he will say whatever or do whatever if it means a paycheck. He acts like an edgy "no fvcks given' comedian yet kowtows every chance he gets. He has done a 180, and has alienated many fans. Fear Factor should have been a giveaway of what level Rogan was on back then, and even now today. $$$
@@notsocrates9529 yeah, there might have been some racial tension between Bruce and the crew, but sorry, you sound like your brain has been rinsed clean. All that remains is a string of programmed buzzwords you parrot without knowing their full meaning.
@@ConAir94 He also fought too. He was literally challenged every day by people of all sizes because he was a small Asian man who made a name for himself as a fighter.
@@cronos7653 Tony Jaa and Donny Yen and hit their stuntmen for real and it makes the movies look more real. They also pay them extra to take a hard shot I heard. At least ive heard that ablut Yen...
He is a terrible director, Jackie Chan a stunt man who work with Bruce said something totally different, after being hit hard he was very apologetic, which means tarantino has no idea what he's talking about
lol "R&D Grill " Joe Kicks all the Elk meat to tenderize it like rocky. while Joey D eats a hoagie and yells "your a bum Joe Rogan!" young Jamie can work front of house
He is right. I did fight a lot on street fights. Once there was a dude I fighted during night. I immediatly relized he was weaker than me but I also relized he was willing to kill someone (me) just to win the fight. i on the otherhand was not willing to kill someone. I didnt continue to fight cause I knew he was insane and would do shady stuff like use broken glas botle.
"Jackie Chan's Early Role with Bruce Lee" ua-cam.com/video/uUs9CsCyLFM/v-deo.html "Enter The Dragon Stuntman Rue The Day He Challenged Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do" ua-cam.com/video/D6KJ7EDrOgE/v-deo.html This debunks a lot of what Quentin Tarantino said. Bruce looked after his stunt men, even after he beat them up in challenge or accident hurt them during a stunt shot.
@@Sernival Didn't Bruce Lee have to fight at lot of racism in the west? Even after he worked really hard and made name for himself. It was AMERICAN PRODUCERS and Stuntman who apparently stole his idea and show The Kung Fu Show? Imagine having American Producers and American Stuntmen pretend to befriend you to pick your brain for a show pitch, teaching them Eastern Martial Arts and philosophy. When really nobody else would. Only to be backstabbed and idea completely whitewashed with little to no respect the source material and no compensation or credit?
@@terat1227 I think Tarantino's disregard and ignorance about Bruce Lee is to blame. I think it's the other way around - I don't think the American stuntmen respected HIM, this "short, Chinese guy" that no one ever heard of prior to The Green Hornet, and he probably felt he had to earn their respect. Tarantino usually does a lot of research, but he misquotes Polly's book and twists things around. Disappointing, but what can you do?
Really sucks cause I like QT but he really struck a nerve. If he was a fan he wouldn’t have done it. But since he dislikes the Lee family and their version of the story. He goes out of his way to steal from Bruce(yellow jumpsuit) and makes a caricature of his image. While Bruce at the time had to endure racist Hollywood, in the future his family has to endure this. Not standing with QT. I still couldn’t finish the film after the Lee scene. This sucks. I like them both. But I stand with the Lee family. You don’t write the iconic character of Bruce Lee into your film and do him dirty like that. Not just the fight scene, but the way he’s portrayed is disrespectful to any real martial arts fan. F%#! that guy.
It’s a shame the clip ended when it did. When he talked about “cliff” being this ex army killer making it out how he’s kill Bruce was utterly fucking absurd. I really wasn’t to hear what Joe said back to him because it’s clear that Tarantino is very misinformed and uneducated, like a lot of people, about what Bruce was actually doing. He wasn’t doing origami ffs.
I’m not military but I am a Bruce lee fan but don’t take what he said as being far from the truth, the mentality of a spec ops soldier from people I’ve met and studied is not something that even Bruce would want to go up against in a WARTIME setting. it’s not just a mentality of kill or be killed they live that life on a daily basis for years. Bruce would without question be the underdog in a 1v1 wartime situation I’ve boxed and done martial arts for years so it’s not like I’m speaking about something I know nothing about. So don’t pretend that just because soldiers didn’t learn traditional arts that he would roll over any of them. Quite the opposite to be honest.
this whole thing was like listening to the one 12 year old with goggles and a pastel shirt in your middle school talk about how his Sonic OC that he drew on a napkin could totally beat up the Avengers
Heck, I felt the same way and I know less hollywood-specific lore than Joe. It's QT were talking about here, probably 99% of our 'film' knowledge is inferior to this guy... and I'm somehow OK with that.
Having grown up in L.A., watching movies from all over the world at a time where film was the primary source of home entertainment, is probably the reason why Quentin's been so successful.
I made some comments earlier and someone called me out on what I said, so I took them down and have thought about the whole situation a bit more. I’m a huge fan of Bruce and Quentin. When I watched Once Upon a Time…, nothing about Bruce’s portrayal upset me. That’s not to say others , especially his daughter, shouldn’t feel upset. I get why they would be. For me, I just understood that I wasn’t watching a Bruce Lee biopic. Nor was I watching an accurate depiction of anything that happened surrounding the tragic events involving the Manson family and their victims. Having also seen Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained, I realized that QT was aiming to give a satisfying and visceral retelling of things that happened historically. He’s rewriting history in his style where the baddies get what they deserve. And I personally feel that’s the only defense necessary.
Disrespect is disrespect...it doesn't mean you can't make that joke...but Bruce Lee would have laugh with you if it was really funny he was very intelligent man but here he wouldn't laugh...look at Ricky Gervais at Golden Globes...he is extremely intelligent about his insults...Bruce Lee was a heavy weight being you can't make him lite I mean shallow lite without any highly insightful support from within...✌️ 🔆
@@jaroslavfricek7772 i bet lee would laugh his ass off. Tarantino took like every second quote of him and turned it around completely. When he said he would cripple ali i was literally dying of laughter. Anyone who knows anything about bruce lee should realize its just comedy pretty quickly.
@@magicalhackerz also I just don't know why people love QT's films so much. His directional style is not original besides him adding in a 20 minute monolog in all his movies. He's a second rate Sergio Leone.
Cuz QT knew that laugh was fake. He knows Joe *IS* one of those people who criticized him, *We All Do.* And instead of acknowledging it he grinned and clapped like an idiot...
@@axelstone3131 Except he didn't, since nothing he explained was remotely realistic. What is a "military fighting stance" that conveys someone is a killer? Do YOU know what it is? The problem is that Tarantino is full of himself here and trying to justify a poor depiction of a martial arts legend using prevarication and self-concocted delusions. All the stuff about Cliff being a killer is fine on paper but if you're going to use that to beat up an icon like Bruce Lee in your film then the choreography better be good enough to back it up, and most fans complaining about it are complaining not because Bruce Lee lost but HOW he lost with such awful choreography.
@@billywashere6965 Well, it was one each, even though Tarantino said Cliff let him have the first one. He didn't say how Lee would have adapted for the third round. But yeah Tarantino is full of himself. His only good movies were Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jakie Brown. All the rest were Tarantino jacking off to his own childhood. I tried to rewatch Death Proof after this podcast and it was as awful as i remember it. The Jungle Julie Character just talks like Mia from PF. No personal voice at all. I had to skip to the action and even that was uninspiring as far as car chases go so I don't know why Joe is banging on about how amazing the car scenes where.
@@lerobarns1048 Bruce spend his life learning various martial arts. And training every day. More that once a day. That was his life. Your comment is completely ignorant.
I love that he actually talks about his characters like real people. That’s why Tarantino is such a good story teller. He’s genuinely integrated into the stories he creates.
When Joe said “it’s been done before in a bunch of movies by people that people say are assholes”, I was 100% we’re going into another JR Steven Seagal tangent
In most cultures bar the US its called letting the guest have the floor to say their story. Talk show hosts in the US seem to think they're bigger than the people they have on haha.
A lot of Asian stars that crossed over to the US complained about American stuntmen. Jackie Chan had his issues with them too. Hong Kong stuntmen are a different breed. Most HK stunt groups were blacklisted from insurance companies for being too dangerous
That's because the HK stunt performers are paid crap, or nothing at all if they don't make it screen. Often they will take bonus pay from an actor to take a hit, guaranteeing they will end the day with some money in their pocket.
Absolutely! There are good friends of mine in the stunt world that have said this. Especially after working on the American films he's made. It's why and how he built his own stunt team that are personally trained in this particular "style" of stunt work. You can find behind the scenes of who am I where Jackie is so frustrated with the TKD world champion they hired as a thug on the rooftop... to the point they had to put Bradly Allan (one of the first and few European stunt men trained by and one of the heads of Jackie's team) as a stand in for the guy. It's just a different mindset in film making and stunts.
@@RedSplinter36 yes I remember seeing that behind the scenes as well. I felt bad for the guy, because he basically had to forget a lot of his training. Jackie Chan My Stunts is another good documentary that breaks a lot of the fight scenes down
That is true. Gary Daniels, who was one of the bad guys in Expendables and a stalwart of the B-list action genre, has made a lot of movies in East Asia. He said that Asian action stars find it hard to work with Western action stars/stuntmen because they also move more awkwardly/clunky, so it takes more work to get a scene down. You can imagine that leading to a lot of frustration on set, especially if it's a long day shooting, and taking it out on a stuntman who's not getting the timing down.
The sad thing was that Bruce Lee could not respond to that controversy. Perhaps Mr Tarantino should learn more about Bruce Lee from Bruce Lee's friends and family.
He should have gone off on him. The guys an uneducated moron. Joe was either to afraid to piss him off or he’s just spineless. Either way he’s a fake tough guy. I’m surprised Tarantino hasn’t been knocked out by something with his attitude. It would do him good to get a good smack.
Totally agreed. I don't think I would have been able to hold it in, though. First thing I would have said is 'Nothing in that fight scene showcased Cliff as an elite military killer. So why was the choreography so bad and why didn't you make Bruce use moves we all know him for, such as his leg-checks, sweeps, and counter -strikes?' I would have LOVED to have heard Tarantino's explanation for that not-so-little discrepancy.
Of course Brad Pitt beat Bruce Lee. He used to have his own fight club in a restaurant basement (I shouldn't talk about that) and he was the Irish gypsy fighting champion.
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His name was Jo Po
wel bruce had multiple gyms where he tought jet kun do the man developed his own fighting style and he was never beat by annyone,brat pits charc cant say that can he.
and its not just that bruce never got beat no1 ever came even close.
@@Marcustheseer joke went right over your head there, didn't it, bud?
Quentin: I don't want this to be the only thing that people pull from this show...
Young jamie: Well this should be a good clip...
“Hey Jamie clip him saying that, post it, and then pull that shit up of him saying it and me telling you to post it and pull it up... It’s time to get meta in this son of a bitch. Damn this weed is good.” - Roe Jogan
@@dontreadmypicture6766 don’t read into things
lol
@@TheBeigeRaider DMT*
How long will Jamie be called "young Jamie"? Is there a set date?
Joe’s favorite way to disagree with someone without actually disagreeing with them:
“Mmmmm.”
Spot on
Well, fortunately for him and everybody else, he fought his fanboy instinct and didn't start a childish argument with Tarantino, losing the audience and Tarantino's respect in the process.
Mac its alright, a 130 pound movie star couldn’t beat up a much larger fictional protagonist green beret. That doesn’t mean enter the dragon wasn’t a good movie.
I feel like if Bruce Lee was alive, he would be secure enough to not make a huge deal about a movie that honestly is the worst movie Tarantino ever made.
@@Eventual-Visitor The dog turd I just picked up off my lawn has more value than Quentin Tarantino's respect
I don't really agree with that and I'm not sure where it's referred to that Bruce thought stuntman were ridiculous. Also wasn't Bruce a bit of a street fighter in his younger days, that's why he left Hong Kong to go to the States. I'm sure Bruce wasn't a Saint but the movie painted him in a very unflattering and, I feel, undeserved light.
Joe looked like he wanted to defend Bruce Lee more but decided it wasn't worth turning the whole podcast into this topic
Quentin was talking a lot of bullshit then. Bahahahaha if they were in. the jungle man! WTF you on about QT. Love the guy but doesn't know whats up. Bruce Lee wasn't even in Tournaments lol
I definitely picked up the same vibe, especially when he almost cut off Tarantino to chime in. He was itching at the bit to defend Lee a bit but decided against it.
Nobody cant say nothing about weed, martial arts, or DMT around Joe
Rogan decided it wasn't worth it because he realized that it's QT and that Tarantino has done his homework on Bruce whereas Joe hadn't. Not many movie makers research more than Quentin when it comes to his movies and the who's and what's going on in them.
I still think joe should of brought of the facts about Bruce Lee’s feats in his lifetime and how he would not be Beaten based on that.
QT is the only guest recently who seems more confident than Joe, and that’s refreshing.
Cocaine will make you confident
Don’t get comfortable with that. I believe Joe prefers guest that he can mostly dominate.
Aries to leo is what leo is to everyone else
Neil Degrasse Tyson.
QT, cannot fight........
Tarantino: “I’m a little hesistant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the only thing to be pulled from this show.”
Joe Rogan: Right
JRE- let's make it a clip!
u come up with that all by your own big boy? or is that someone elses thought repackaged for imaginary clout? jw, cause its obvious, n i dont understand why
@@trope5105 u monitoring the comments big boy? if some1 else posted a similar thought, who would had thunk it? jw, cause it's a free world and i dont understand why an accident is rubbing you so bad
hahahaha i was gonna post this
I actually listened to it and this is nothing. Tarentino starts dropping bombs on Lee and his family lol.
BRUH I’m over here wondering on that statement while watching this.. while at the same time facepalming myself, because I think I gotta get Spotify to finish this episode 😩😩
Sounds like Tarantino was describing Steven Segal, not Bruce Lee.
pretty much right!? He had his flaws. The 30 for 30 showed me he died a little different than I believed as a kid. But yeah that is about the way you would expect Steven Segal and his skills to be portrayed.
Not much difference though, both were actors, and that's about it.
@@admaanhason7410 Bruce Lee was a real martial artist! A philosopher and an actor! He is considered to be the pioneer for what was to become MMA later on! He taught students in martial arts before and after he became an actor! Created a new style of fighting and broke all taboos that were pretty much keeping martial arts in place until then making it possible to advance martial arts in effectiveness. Donny Yen is another actor who is a real martial artist and knows the art of Bruce Lee. Once Donny Yen had a fight with 8 guys in a bar and sent them all to the hospital and he is not even a fraction of Bruce Lee. Enough with this idiotic way of thinking. Just because someone is an actor doesn't always mean everything is an act! To give you more examples Mayim Bialik who plays Amy in the Big Bang Theory is an actual neurologist with a phd in the field! Dolph Lundgren is a black belt in karate and he is also a chemist! Chuck Norris karate world champion. I could give you more but you get the gist...
@@MysticalJessicaNo, he actually wasn't lol. He never fought anyone in any official capacity. Ever. Intentionally. Dude was an absolute Bullshido master.
@@mechamahou8467 You are free to show your incredible ignorance on the matter...
Joe's not fighting Quentin, he's fighting his instinct to tell Quentin about elk meat and TRT.
I could see in his eyes he wanted to tell Quentin about this one time when they brought a baby chimp onto the set of Newsradio.
Every damn podcast....
you mean DMT
@@m4r_art nah TNT
@@indigokiller TNT is good, but it can be better. (DMT)
Tarantino: 00:17 I don't want this to be the only thing pulled from the show
PowerfulJRE: 3.2million people think otherwise
And that's just in 5 days.
„Jamie, Clip That out!“
Does it bother you what 3.2 milion people think ?
first thing i clicked on lol
3.5M now
In the book, “Bruce Lee” written by Bruce’s first JKD student Jesse Glover he wrote, “Bruce believed that there is always someone who can beat you in a fight if the circumstances are right and that to walk around thinking that you can’t be beaten is a foolish mistake that can end your life. unfortunately, this isn’t a popular concept in the minds of many martial arts people. the path that Bruce followed was to live each day with the knowledge that he could be defeated by an expert or novice at any given time.”
THERE NOT A HUMAN IN THIS WORLD THAT CAN'T BE BEATEN .
@Speaker Roach in my opinion I think he just means to be humble as a fighter and to never be overconfident with your skills
sounds like someone needs to introduce Jesse Glover to the period key
@@sylvester465 khabib, andre ward, Lomachenko when hes not injured, and more impressively, bruce lee who had most american black belt and pro strikers and wrestlers after him especially at a racist time in America and knowing he hadn't been beaten while going around beating teachers in every dojo he got into which was all bare knuckle
I call it the dark souls experience
I love that scene so much. From a storytelling scene it tells us two things: This isn't "our" history. It's a dark fairy tale like the title suggest. Two, it tells us what we need to know about Cliff. Even if we're upset as Bruce Lee fans, we subconsciously believe that if he can go toe to toe with him, Cliff's a badass. This scene literally sets up the entire last act and a half of the film.
Exactly, it sets very well that the movie is a boomer fantasy about ass kicking youngsters.
He can't go toe to toe with him though. It's total BS. Bruce is actually faster than what was depicted in the film. Tarantino literally made Bruce look like a clown
@@EndorphinooosQuentin is a boomer himself you weaky😂
lmao you're living in fantasy land but you know maybe bruce lee could dodge a lightning strike because he was so fast. maybe he was fast enough to never get hit. maybe he was fast enough to do parlour tricks and never take part in a real fight
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@@martinigasolini4062 As Tarantino has said, if he decides that Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee, then Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee. Bruce is a real person, Cliff is a Hollywood fiction. Of course he can beat up Bruce Lee, because he isn't operating within reality. I don't even understand what you are talking about. The Bruce Lee in the movie could have been twice as fast, twice as strong, twice as smart and so on as the real Bruce Lee and Cliff would have still beaten him, because that is how it was written. You are not, to my mind, making any damn sense. To me it sounds like you are just going: This is BS, no one can beat up my childhood hero!
“ I’m hesitant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the one thing people pull from this show” Joe uploads a small clip of this one thing. 🤣😂😭
Yeah, a GIVEN
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There was really no way it wasn't going to be.
I came to the comments specifically looking for this statement of fact lol
Reverse psychology, that shit works
"I don't want this to be the only thing they pull from this show". Literally the only part of this interview I've seen
It kinda sucks that Jaime or whoever decided to pull this clip for UA-cam. There was so much more interesting stuff in this interview, prob my favorite since the Spotify nightmare began
"I don't want this to be the only thing"
*3 million views*
Pretty sure that everyone that’s on the Bruce Lee side of things can’t stand what QT has to say. If this topic was never discussed, literally no one would watch any of the interview.
@@mikobel7131 The people getting all mad at QT and trying to cancel him for his portrayal of Bruce clearly don't know much about film history and also have not watched enough Hong Kong martial arts films from the 70s to know just how much the very same industry that made him into a legend would go on to exploit his legacy and make a complete mockery of Bruce all for a quick buck, there was a genre of Kung Fu movies called Bruceploitation where Hong Kong and even some Hollywood directors would cast stunt men who kinda looked like Bruce in films and market them as authentic Bruce Lee films after his death....not to mention how he was made into a caricature in an episode of Dragonball where Goku beats him up, in many video games like Fei Long in Street fighter, Law in Tekken and even Donnie Yen from the Ip Man films made a movie recently called Enter the Fat Dragon where he plays an overweight caricature of Bruce Lee....so these Bruce Lee cultists who outraged at QT should go do a little bit of research, their god has been mocked many times before you're just not aware of it....I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan myself but fuck do some people worship him to the point of it being a religion where they make him out to be some kind of flawless super human when he didn't even view himself that way nor did he make all the claims that people make of him
@@cyborgchicken3502 this has nothing to do with being a cultist. It’s about portrayal of an icon that, to your point, launched an entire industry of film in his image. Albeit a strong portrayal/caricature.
I don’t know who QT talked to but he basically ignored people that was in Bruce Lees circle and knew him best. Yes, the movie is fictitious but just because you can do an asshat portrayal of him doesn’t mean you should. QT dug in on his belief that Bruce Lee is an ahole no matter what people tell him. Even when his family tells him that what he did was shitty.
"Tarantino is the only guy who needs cocaine to stop talking"
-Brad Pitt.
Now THATS funny!
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Lmao
Seems legit.
Hahaha all clamed up!
That book is awesome. Get the book and the Audible so you can read along. I think it was Van Williams who, when discussing Bruce hurting stuntmen, said that they had him direct a scene and shoot it the way he liked - tagging the stuntmen. Then they showed him what he shot and he realized that it looked better when the hits didn't land.
Tell your mother to buy... I don't want it
@@KhaloodZizoYour mom lended me her copy.
@@MrHeavy466 yr mom sitting on my lap reading that book
How old is his mom??? 🤨@@KhaloodZizo
Name and author of the book please. More than one is talked about. Thanks.
in China, it was expected that the stuntmen took the hit and didn't complain about it whereas in the states, they tried to avoid getting hit if possible. That's why he was tagging them. It's what was expected from the stuntmen in his culture. Jackie Chan talked about it also and how he had to adapt to it bc he use to be a stuntman.
All these complaints about how stuntmen felt is a bit rich coming from Quentin Tarantino.
He paid no attention to Uma Thurman's worries about a stunt scene in Kill Bill. He fobbed her off and convinced her he'd ensure it would be safe. But it wasn't safe, and led to a serious car crash.
Tarantino endangered Uma Thurman's LIFE, and she's been left with long-term neck and knee injuries as a result of working with him.
@@GMBethHarmon QT isn't complaining, he's explaining his portrayal of Bruce Lee based on Bruce Lee's actual behavior. This comment disproves nothing.
It's possible for QT to be a scumbag and be correct about BL being an asshole.
@@michael9300 Bruce Lee was not an asshole. It shows that American stuntmen are soft compared to Chinese stuntmen, who Lee was used to working with
@sabbracadabra
Exactly. Where did he get this made up information? From jealous fucks who hated how great Bruce was. If trashatino had done any research, he would've known Bruce was literally training like a killer.
You can see that in the fight scenes in movies like Big Trouble in Little China with the large cast of Asian stuntmen/martial artists. They are really giving it to each other.
“a lot of people think you made Bruce Lee look like an asshole”
wasn’t Joe one of those very people?
my thoughts exactly...
He definitely was.
He’s been the only person I ever heard that from.
LOL I was waiting for QT to say "yeah and you were one of them". He can be a little feisty.
It’s well documented that Bruce Lee was an egotist and an A-hole to a lot of people- Tarantino was on point with the portrayal of Lee in the movie, sorry to say. :/
For a moment Tarantino had me convinced that Cliff was an actual person
That's what I was thinking
That’s because he eats his own shit.
JimL lol great way to put it
Damn so cliff ain't a real person lmao
Lol shit i didnt even know cliff was fake until i looked it up, tarantino making up a character based off of stories he heard. Seems about right, because that bruce lee in the movie was not accurate. Theres many real fighters and even kareem who trained and got to know bruce has never said anything bad about bruce. Yes he can be cocky but still he is a real good fighter also, not fake.
Cliff Booth gave such a great performance as Brad Pitt in that movie it's amazing
It was an easy performance
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Quentin Tarantino: this is how fights happen in real life
Joe Rogan: ok
I had the same argument with someone today 😂 someone was telling me a Krav Maga guy could fuck up top ufc boys 😂
@@RandyFromTheMarsh the delusion from Krav Maga weekend warriors wearing head bandanas is real 😂
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@@RandyFromTheMarsh maybe he's not wrong. He didn't mention a specific top UFC....i mean a UA-camr with an inflated ego fucked up a top UFC fighter sooooo...😂😂😂
Also Joe: Michael B Jordan really got knocked out for Creed
**Shows fake knockout**
Joe: See that’s fcking real i’ve seen these in person
THIS IS THE ONE I'VE ALWAYS NEEDED
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@about you nonsense
WHY AM I SOBER FOR THIS ? I NEED FIFTEEN STARS OF DEATH FOR THIS INTERVIEW
Yeah. Same here. This is just great. Was waiting for this one without even knowing it. Good times #JRE #QuentinTarantino
Quentin: The reason why I didn't want to talk about it is so that someone doesn't just take THIS and make a thing out of it. Joe: Jamie, crop that clip of Quentin talking about Bruce Lee.
🤣🤣🤣
It's what the people wanna hear. Glad Joe didn't give a fuck
The backstory of Cliff is that he fought with the Filipino resistance. I think you should Google that rebel group then watch the end and what Tarantino says about Bruce seeing the stance and realizing what it was. Its for Killing. Not Tagging. If Cliff got a hold of Bruce as a much bigger man and as a distinguished jungle Guerilla warfare combatant with of The most distinguished allied rebel group of world war 2 I'd say it's very plausible if Cliff got a hold of Bruce he would not survive 9/10 times and I love Bruce. Sorry.
@@Thehomelessathlete but could he get ahold of Bruce in the first place? Bruce was lightning fast and had many techniques to avoid being grabbed.
@@heartfanjim01 Uh who said anything about grabbing? All he need do is wait for him.
The inglorious bastards was an absolute masterpiece in filmmaking. The bar scene is on of my favorites of all time
The basement bar?
@@Wh4L205 yes
His only movie i liked was hateful eight
@Fade2Dark I guessing your favorite movie is the marvels or barbie or something.
Yes the tension when his blown his cover
That's crazy! It makes so much sense now! Jackie Chan told the story several times about how Bruce Lee hit him on set and after the scene was over Bruce went up to Jackie and started apologizing like crazy and felt so bad for hitting him! Chinese stuntmen are prepared for getting hit for real by accident, but the difference in culture is that American stuntmen are not prepared to get hit, intentional or accidental. That might be why Bruce was so irritated by American stuntmen is because they complained about it whereas it's in the job description for Chinese stuntmen. You can even watch older movies and see how much of a gap there is between fighting contact in American movies, but a lot of Asian movies you can see the stuntmen or actors actually getting tagged especially when they use the white powder to dramatize the contact effects.
hell yeah jackie vs benny the jet was a crazy fight poor benny got beat up so bad for real 🤣 although controversial who’d really win fr, idek
It was the director's fault because that movie was so low budget there was very little rehearsal.
Joe with brendan: “I hated it”
Joe with Quentin: “that was SO funny!”
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Joe turns into Brendan around people he's made fun of when they weren't there, I cringe whenever he has a ex wwe star (undertaker comes to mind), he acts like he hasn't shit on there entire industry a 100 times 🤣
@@Rozza2k He's a professional shit talker, he's talked shit about everyone at some point. Real people can handle that and still converse.
Also wrestling is fake.
So joe is spineless?
Don't act like you'd be any different lol
For a director and film producer I don't believe Quentin didn't know the difference between American and Asia stunt filming at the time. Asia has a lot more physical contact in their filming to create that realism and most stuntmen and actor accepted and agreed to it. In James Bonds Tomorrow never dies - Michelle Yeoh said in a interview the western producers wanted her to work with her own team because of her former work. The fight scene was more intense than originally planned and they did it in far less takes because the team know and trust each other. Bruce Lee at his time wanted that same impact and effect in his western movies which western stuntmen didn't like or want. A lot of the Asian stuntmen including Jackie Chan who worked with Bruce Lee knew and expected it. If you ever grew up watching 70s, 80s & 90 Asian martial arts movies, a lot had outtakes at the end showing injury's and failed stunts from all members of the team as a way to show the world, "look everyone we did this for you". 😊
I remember watching the outtakes in Jackie Chan movie.
Actually he did. Which was the point he was making. Bruce Lee's treatment of American stuntman, who weren't as prepared and trained the way HK stuntman were, shows his lack of concern
Too bad Bruce Lee died 20 plus years before Tomorrow Never Dies
Not only that in asian movies the stuntmen would not get paid unless their scene made it past editing n onto the big screen. So they would offer a stuntman $500 let me tag u to make it look good n u get paid from the film studio...so they would do it bcuz thats a guaranteed pay day. Quintin has to know that but wont tell joe to make lee look like a douche.
@@omarlives Not to look like a douche, he just thinks it is being unprofessional. Personally I love Bruce Lee’s movies way more than our Western baloney but eh what are you gonna do.
I also find it funny that all of the Stuntmen hated Bruce Lee but is still one of the most well known action stars to this day lolllll.
Tarantino's claim that Lee had no respect for stuntmen runs contrary to the claims of Jackie Chan himself, who stunted on two of Lee's movies. According to Chan, when Lee accidentally hit him for real in a sequence, after "Cut!" was yelled he became very concerned for Chan and literally cradled him in his arms (while Chan, loving the attention, sucked it up and pretended to be more hurt than he was because he was enjoying Lee's concern for him). I'll take Chan's words over Tarantino's on this, since he worked with him.
Tarantino also doesn't seem to have done his homework on Lee, basically claiming that Lee was essentially just a tournament fighter who fought in a tournament style with tournament rules when Lee never actually fought once in a tournament in his entire life. He was a streetfighter.
JC isn’t an American stuntman. Dude was born in Asia. QT said he disliked American stuntman if you actually listened.
Tarantino is racist asf
@@darenmcneese8006 but Bruce is American, he was born in San Francisco, works in Hollywood, graduated from Washington State University and married an American woman...
He never disliked working with American Stunts, he basically wanted to make some scenes not be so fictional but more realistic as they were in Hong Kong so there could be real hits that some but not all doubles as he was not willing to put up with, but Bruce He was always distinguished by the well-being of the people, a star of action films like Jackie Chan in his beginnings was part of the stunt crew in Hong Kong and was beaten by Bruce Lee, and right after filming the scene he was attended by himself Lee who not only apologized to him but gave him all possible assistance, so that comment is very unfair.....
Now, it is not understood why Tarantino says that Lee was in martial arts tournaments, when Bruce, being very young, only participated and won a boxing tournament, yes boxing, in Hong Kong and he only did some martial arts exhibitions but did not participate on a professional level in it to continue focusing more on his acting career and being able to study other martial arts such as kung fu, tai chi, karate and street fighting, so basically he not only studies acting but also becomes a pioneer special of the style of mixed martial arts that exists today in a pro level....
I honestly have a lot of respect for Tarantino, but in this particular case, the scene goes beyond the portrayal of reality with that fake situation scene...
Analyzing the scene there are several errors, Bruce never used a flying kick out of nowhere in a sparring test, he was usually too calm in any test, or challenge and did not telegraph his movements at first as it happens in that scene, although it was very challenging with his look, he was not so cocky, he was also too fast, therefore not easy to catch, and not so light despite his appearance when in reality he was a subject with a lot of physical strength, in the case of the scene versus cliff stuntman The most probable thing is that if Bruce knocked him down against the concrete, then in reality he would have knocked out Cliff or left him in a bad condition in his head and Bruce himself would have offered to collaborate, he was not a bullie, because he understood very young by the hard way that being a bullie is stupid and a sign of cowardice and weakness, and even when Bruce filming the green hornet made arrogant comments to sell the character, in his personal life he was someone very focused, even a valid opinion of a true full contact martial arts champion as the great chuck norris has been recognizes how good Bruce was as a martial artist...
It's not about idolizing a man who could maybe get differences with others, could have made mistakes and probably had some wrong attitude that wasn't well understood for a while, but in the face of this, Tarantino made a bad move here with arguments mistaken overreaching the staging and forgetting to respect Lee's legacy in martial arts and his contribution to cinema with his ideas creating a new style, catalog or genre in addition to politically breaking racial differences or derogatory comments towards the Asian-American people since then...
@@nicedoppy2077 no one said he disliked Americans but didn't like American Stuntman who werent willing to take the same type of hits as the Asian stuntman. I don't even know if dislike is the correct term. The Asian stuntman were willing to do whatever was needed to make the shot look as good as possible. The Americans weren't willing do take do it
@@danielh6015 Asian stuntman doesn't take punches for real , this is all just BS when we all know about camera angle.
Interesting breakdown on Bruce's attitude toward stuntman; Jackie Chan was one in Fist of Fury and Chan tells the story of Bruce tagging him and being apologetic over the shot. Jackie Chan has also been critical of Western stuntman; maybe it's a cultural thing.
Those Kung Fu films are crazy though and seems to have very relaxed safety regulations. Corridor crew has done some videos reacting to Kung Fu stuntmen
I think it more of a perfection thing Jackie and Bruce would do take after take to get the scene right American stuntmen back in the day where more of a one take can and lets go to lunch kind of guys. This didn't fly with Jackie and Bruce who wanted a perfect product and who can blame them their work and fight scenes became their legacy so in the long run they where right.
Asian stuntmen are crazy haha, no union rules or anything like that lol
It's definitely a Cultural Thing. The Chinese view Americans as Lazy and Soft.
but with Jackie Chan, he literally broke his fucking nose and even Jackie Chan said himself that was the hardest he's ever been hit in his whole career
Well QT this ended up being THE only thing that people pulled from the show.
Hahahah. That's good stuff.
Speak for yourself, Nipun.
This was an awesome podcast
LMAO
Really?! The ending was the best, most INSANE thing I've ever seen in a film...
Joe Rogan itching to tell Quinten the benefits of sensory deprivation and elk meat
saunas too
Bow huntings and alpha brain pills
Elk meat seasoned with dmt
Best comment right here!
Tho, you forgot to incorporate DMT and aliens. ;)
Your username is amazing 😂😂😂😂
So glad I came across this interview with Tarantino, I always wondered what the actual story was behind the scene where Cliff fights with Bruce Lee, it's the one scene that always sticks out in my head when I first think of "Once upon a time in Hollywood". Some redeeming facts here about Lee and maybe why he was replaced by David Carradine in the series "Kung FU"?
OMG.
Really?
Huh? He was replaced by David Carradine because David Carradine was WHITE. Asians barely had any acting roles in america back then. Bruce Lee became a big star but he was the lead actor in Chinese movies until Enter the Dragon which was a partnership with Warner Bros. That only happened because he started a production company pumping out banging hit movies in Asia.
Joe: did you know-
Quentin: Yes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quentin: I have always known.
😂😂😂
I heard that too 😂
This reminds me when Joe had Bas Rutten on the show and they were discussing something similar. Bas had remarked that someone had told him that he’d be handicapped in a street fight cause there are no rules. Bas’ response was, “What, you think I can’t fight without rules? If anything, I’d be MORE dangerous.”
Bruce lee wasn’t a fighter tho he was an actor
@@nathanaelhart8487 and being military doesn't automatically mean that your a good hand to hand fighter either.
True, felt like Tarantino talking nonsense here
@Miguelits Milton Lmao the worst UFC fighter will whoop the best non-MMA trained Navy SEALs’ ass. It doesn’t matter if you’re “militarily trained”, if u have no background in striking, wrestling or submission you’re gonna lose every time.
@@sams8502 Eh u don’t think navy seals are trained to kill a mf with their bare hands??
Stuntmen hit hard in Hong Kong, that's their style, both Scott Adkins and Michael Jai White have talked about this.
@Shadow Man so let's appropriate Chinese culture and bitch when they call us pussies for not being able to do it the Chinese way? Seems legit.
@Shadow Man Because if you're bringing over Chinese to do martial arts in a film where they're KNOWN for a very specific style of combat and engagement, then it's going to be standard for them to employ what THEY KNOW in your film. Otherwise, hire Americans.
@Shadow Man cool. What you said was Bruce should respect the norms of the country he's in. Fair. However, he made movies utilizing a Chinese martial art. And since that aspect of Chinese culture is central to those movies, maybe the people that want to be involved should respect Chinese culture and not cry about it. Otherwise dont take part.
I wonder what their longevity and attrition rates are in that case
I've also heard that a lot of stunt men in Hong Kong constantly complain about Donnie Yen being arrogant. When it comes to Jackie Chan, Sammo and Yuen Biao I've never heard any complaints about them when they train with foreign stuntmen or stuntmen from Hong Kong.
I loves Bruce Lee, I personally wont let him go out like this
Joe: Bruce Lee would win
Quentin Tarantino: Not in my imagination
Exactly his make believe man is more capable than real life Bruce Lee, it's kinda funny, could He-Man beat Lee too Quentin?
@@davidmayberry3190 Exactly it's a fake person. This fake person is a killer and can fight. lol people are mad that fake people can win in fake scenarios. lol smh
Bruce Lee was an actor, he would get fucked up by a real brawler
@@Numenorean921 Bruce lee was a fighter first. He had real street fights before coming into acting.
@@Numenorean921 I mean he was about 135 pounds but jesus a kick in the face in a street fight is a shocking thing to see, I mean you just dont expect it in really life outside a bar etc. Have to give a really good kicker the advantage I think
Joe "a lot of people had a problem with the Bruce Lee scene and I'm going to pretend I wasn't one of them" Rogan
When did he have a problem with them. I can only find clips of Joe praising Bruce Lee
When did he act like he wasn't though? He has to spell it out for you? Q already seen the episode where joe talks about it. You're confusing you not knowing how to have a conversation with joe lying
@@LookzA him and a schaub debated it, if I remember right joe didnt like the portrayal, Schaub thought it a funny scene, and realistically didnt hurt Lee's image, being such a venerated figure in martial arts.
@@tobe1207 he literally said that he had a huge problem with the scene on a previous episode with Brendan Schaub from about a year ago. I'll find the link
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LeBell said, “I went and worked out with [Lee] at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”
That's what leans me towards thinking he was actually a decent guy, Lebell doesn't seem to me to be a guy that would suffer fools gladly and if Lee had been a dick he'd 100% of said that.
He's also talked shit about him as well. I think he wasn't as "liberal" back then as he is today (eyeroll)
@@sampson3121 nice analysis 💯
Bruce Lee was studying Judo for 8 years before meeting LaBelle
@@edmonian132 and after 8 years, you don't have anything left to learn.
- some Judo wisdom I guess
I have watched 5+ documentaries about Bruce Lee, read 5+ books about Bruce Lee & 5+ books by Bruce Lee. All evidence I have seen in those docos & books supports the major criticisms people have made about that movie scene & about Tarantino's claims.
E.g. Tarantino claims Bruce was a competition fighter. In reality, Bruce is famous among martial artists for rejecting competitions as having unrealistic rules compared with full contact sparring without rules. Bruce is famous for having been in many real fights. There is no evidence that anything like that movie scene happened to Bruce in real life - in reality, the evidence shows that by the time Bruce Lee moved (back) to the USA as an adult, he was winning all of his real life fights.
Furthermore, Bruce is famous among us martial artists for being all about economy of movement (for maximum speed and minimum telegraphing) in his martial arts (that is one of the principles of Bruce Lee's martial art "Jeet Kune Do"). So, e.g. he would not have done a flying kick. He would have probably done something economical & fast, e.g. kick that Brad Pitt character in the knee or shin and then finish him off with some strikes to the head (perhaps led by an eye gouge, if the opponent was dangerous). So why did Bruce do flying kicks in his movies? Because Bruce Lee's movie performances were NOT about realism, but about showing off to make the fights more entertaining.
I love Bruce Lee and have immense respect for the guy but the scene in the film was great and beyond that who gives a shit
What proof do you have that he was winning real fights against legit competition?
He never won any fights in any comp. Stop it.
I have not watched 5 books about Bruce Lee, 5 documentaries about Bruce Lee and 5 books by Bruce Lee himself... and not being a fan of Bruce Lee I could say that in real life he would never do those flying kicks.
That flying kick, especially the second, is very uncharacteristic of him. (He would never do the first one too).
"....and always remember to stomp that groin."
I would like to hear Bruce Lee's version.
He put out a response on twitter, do your research.
Bruce said he wasnt going to respond to internet hysteria via social media. I think you might be able to reach him by regular mail.
Keep waiting buddy
He should've apologized cause in real hand to hand combat with no Madison Square garden rules Bruce was even better he would've killed any ww2 vet or whoever. Bruce was the best Martial Arts expert on the fucking planet QT doesn't know shit
This is making me think that Bruce Lee was murdered.. so much hate
Wish I could see Joey Diaz's reaction to this whole episode.
Who else could hear
"Holy fucking dog shit man , hilarious , I remember back in the day , a buddy of mine , a coke dealer used to be an asshole too , they're out there Joe "
JOE :
I came to that realization on dmt , unbelievable .
"dawg"
I like how he talks about his characters as if they were real people. :)
@Chris Tasse I'm sure he cares about his characters. A lot. But as insane as Tarantino is, I don't think he actually believes they are real. Or at least I hope not. lol
They have better character than most real people
And for that and a lot more he is a great director, thats why you fall in love with any character of his movies It does not matter whether they are the bad or the good ones, that important portion of realism on his scenes is what makes it magnificent, see di caprio's scene in django for example ppl realize it which is considered one of the best scenes of all time
Same with me. He really believes in them.
That's a writer!
That first exchange is classic 😂. You know it's good when young Jamie is cackling in the back.
Tarantino ‘I hope people don’t just take out this part of the conversation’
JRE ‘hold my joint’
I saw articles about it with a headline something like, "Quentin Tarantino told everyone to get fucked on JRE"
Hahhahaha. That is a good point.
Joe looks respectfully confused
I am the cool kid from Germany making videos for the USA and the rest of the world. I will make your day so don't say nay to me today, dear sk
Being respectfully confused is the future.
Hopefully he mentioned that the Bruce vs Cliff fight was all a vision that Cliff had on the roof of Rick’s house, it wasn’t real
Makes me wonder why Tarantino falsely portrayed Bruce Lee in this way. Seems like Tarantino has a chip off his shoulder.
@@silveriver9 I don't understand, respectfully, how he disrespected Bruce Lee?
I've watched quite a few, Bruce Lee interviews. I don't remember hearing Bruce Lee talking negatively about any form of Martial Art or any another Martial Artist.
hes in front of the camera
@@AngryBanan4 Being in front of the camera is irrelevant. This was when the world didn't know much about martial arts so Bruce was introducing it to us. He did talk doen in Japanese martial arts like Karate which makes sense on how he explains it.
@@AngryBanan4 His personal philosophy was to take the best from every martial art
@@maforo85 the world always knew about martial arts i guesd you mean america
Full circle what the white people say is the truth... That is the truth..
I mean there are multiple sources even Americans that say the opposite of what they say he was here... Remember that back then Hollywood was not shy with being Racist.. And everyone who knows Bruce he was a very intelligent and educated man.
He even admired Muhammed Ali saying "I've never in my life seen a man that big and heavy (he actually said the right numbers I don't know them :p) that could jump around the arena like that for 15 Rounds and could keep going" Jackie chan tells a story where Bruce actually hit him with a nunsaku in a movie scene and keept on going as a professional and when they yelled cut.. He goes straight towards Jackie chan apologetically. So I mean... I rather believe these other sources than creepy Hollywood people... Chuck norris has also only said nice positive thing about him (his personality)
"He's not fighting me, he's fighting his instinct to kill me." love that line
This reminds me of Bruce Lee killing Chuck Norris in the Way of the Dragon. Made me wonder how Americans viewed him after killing their hero. So I don't blame Tarantino for being a jackass.
Oh wow imma go fight brock lesnar right now with my pure instinct to kill him,no training,quentin is a geek broo
@@fatimalobi6382 LOL Way of the Dragon was Chuck's debut in movies. Chuck Norris was a nobody prior to that movie. Nobody knew him or followed him. Bruce Lee launched Chuck's career and made him relevant.
@@fatimalobi6382 bruce lee wasn't killing anybody, stop dreaming kid. Your idol was an actor and maybe a philosoper, but not an accomplished fighter.
@@alfanscholz8663 He had matches under his belt, stop lying whitey
QT says "It's in the book" like a fan explaining the story of his favorite movie.
There is literally a full chapter on it in the book he just released
@@scampoli25 no
QT wrote the book himself.
@@Ken_Scaletta Taken from true stories about Bruce.
^ u all gay including op
It's pretty common in Hong Kong cinema to actually hit stuntmen for real. Even until very recently. Donnie Yen pays guys extra to let him knock them out for film. KNOCK OUT. Not just hit.
Wtf?! 😱
Yeah, and surprising Joe doesn't know this, considering how much he celebrates Bruce Lee.
I love the credits in Police Story lol
It's culture difference, I understand the frustration on both sides.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour Those fight scenes in the mall are brutal.
“This guys not fighting me, he’s fighting his instinct to kill me” that’s a badass quote
Seriously, just casually dropped a golden line that could have been used in a film.
chills
How he come up with lines like that
Apparently, we need sticky notes to quote this!
you guys have not watched a lot of freestyle battle, This nigga momma gonna cry before my son miss a meal
Funny, because everything the public has read about first hand accounts by stunt men. Was that Bruce was incredibly polite and considerate. Jackie Chan's account was completely the opposite of what Tarantino is saying.
Yep, I think a lot of us are not buying that considering he fought hard to train students if his own of different races.
Didn't Bruce Lee injure Jackie Chan on set? Seems like what Tarantino is pretty spot on.
@@Harbard940 Jackie spoke highly of Bruce so I'm guessing it's not so bad...I think tarantino is just trying to back up his portrayal.
@@PeterOToole-fx2hy Who would dare not to speak highly against such a widely loved and admired person?
Jackie chan himself said bruce made sure he was okay when he hit him and that was before jackie was popular so it wasn’t because of who he was either
Quentin was referring to American stuntmen.
@@acdc09 why would that makes sense when he was american himself though?
@@sufferyetgain I can only speculate that he had more respect for the higher level of punishment asian stuntmen performed at. American stuntmen have always been outstanding in their own right but asian stuntmen take it to another level in general.
Which proofs that Bruce also used to hit Chinese stuntmen aswell, not just Americans. He wanted the fights to look realistic. And that is why stuntmen are paid for, btw.
@@duran3d yeah but I wonder how hard..
Bruce: be like water
Cliff: I drink water.
Tarantino: Cliff used to fucking drink water and then piss it out
Lmao fucking what😂😂
Hhahaha
lol
Hahahahaha that’s great
Hahahaha 🤣🤣
I love how Quentin always has this whole, very elaborated life story for each of his characters so well defined in his head.
This character is from a novel, he didn't do anything to add to the work but he did make it look fucking great.
@@cheyparkinson1184 He wrote the novel
@@cheyparkinson1184 face slap moment
@@hectorcoles best burn ever😅
@@cheyparkinson1184 damn bro yo face is busted
QT is so in love with his own creation (Cliff) he’s talking about him as if he was a real historical person.
"A lot of people" as in Joe himself🤣
Wtf does this even mean?
@@raulrangel7620 Joe claimed a lot of people were mad but forgot to mention that he was the very one triggered about Bruce Lee's portrayal in OUATIH.
I wish he would own it. he also talked so much shit about Tarantino putting on a fake black voice when talking with black people. suddenly he doesn't think to mention it.
It's cause he's chicken shit, won't just straight up say it.
Classic Trump move - "A lot of people are saying the election wasn't fair...."
Trump is saying the election wasn't fair
I love the way Tarantino talks about his characters like they are almost real. It really shows how much he loves and cares about them.
based on real people. so yeah they were real
@@AnabolicPopcornyou don’t get it
Tarantino is dishonest...rewriting history and making the bad guys out to be keystone cop versions of what they really were so the "good" guys can win
@tbewin1 z oh yes I remember in inglorious bastards when hitlers wins and all the nazis won the war
Every writer cares about his/her characters. If not, what's the point of writing?
It's the Tarantino Universe. It's not supposed to be historically accurate.
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And it was Cliffs memory too 💁🏽♂️ obviously his perspective is gonna be at least somewhat different from the “truth” in the movie and/or Bruce’s perspective in the movie
@@KZA518 i didn’t know the movie was told from the perspective of cliffs memory
@@jdailey01230 not the whole movie but that scene… it starts out with cliff leaving the movie set and going back to Ricks to fix a antenna or satellite on the roof and then he has a flashback to the Bruce Lee incident
@Matias Martinez and I’m not saying Quentin acknowledged what I said being the only or full truth but I think anybody that has watched that movie knows that it’s at least a small part of it… why didn’t they just show the Bruce lee scene when they were all talking about it at the movie set, like they did with Cliffs wife’s death ??
As someone who has seen all of Bruce Lee's films, watched all the behind-the-scenes documentaries, and read all of his books, it's clear to me that Tarantino completely misses the mark on Bruce's character. Bruce Lee was actually very careful around stuntmen. What Tarantino is saying here is a complete fabrication. Tarantino lacks candor and is a liar--at least in regards to Bruce Lee. It's disappointing because I used to be a really big Tarantino fan, but it's hard to respect an artist that deliberately lies for no reason. Artists are supposed to reveal deeper truths about society, people, etc. This is just cringe-inducing and mean-spirited.
probably another reason why Chan did his own stunts😂
Chan was beat up by Lee when he was a stunt man for him too
Yeah Jacky was in Enter the Dragon and Fist of Fury. He wasn't beaten up by him. He accidentally caught him and apologised profusely afterwards. Sammo Hung and Bruce had a REAL fight. To this day Sammo wont talk about it
@@johnboydojo thank u
@@jesusvalverde129 no worries. Good name man!
Why wouldn't he? He was a stuntman. He was never a fighter. There is zero fighting in any of his movies they're all stunts. If you tried that for real you'd get killed. And i liked his movies. I don't know him as a person. But i don't like how he appears to be selling out to the CCP but he probably has no choice because he has family in China. I wouldn't blame him for that. If i lived in China i wouldn't oppose the CCP because they'll kill you and not even think twice.
Tarantino literally and figuratively has a giant head.
Most or all people would if they had his success.
Head so big Rogan needed 3 cameras to capture tarantino's face🤣🤣🤣
actually he has a VERY high IQ. something around 160 if I'm not wrong.
where have i heard this before...
Frankenstein head
I can feel Joe’s resistance 😂
Cognitive dissonance and wokeness is a crazy drug, look at him fight through it. How hard is it to believe that an Asian man in the very different world of the 1960's and 1970's might not love stuntmen or respect them because of how he was treated by them.
I hate wokeness, but look at it from Bruce's perspective, it isn't so hard to believe, not to me at least. It was all a show; smoke and mirrors if you will. I was a JRE fan since 2012 or so, man I can't stand him now or watch his stupid show.
Way to be loyal to your "fRiEnDs" when the woke mafia comes for them. What a sellout and a bad human being. I cannot get over how long I was grifted.
@@notsocrates9529 I have no idea half the stuff you're saying, but I totally agree that Rogan has changed. He used to be awesome, but has gone done the toilet.
@@dadthelad tl;dr version: Rogan touted himself as this open minded stoner everyman who questioned everything. In the end, he will say whatever or do whatever if it means a paycheck.
He acts like an edgy "no fvcks given' comedian yet kowtows every chance he gets. He has done a 180, and has alienated many fans.
Fear Factor should have been a giveaway of what level Rogan was on back then, and even now today. $$$
@@notsocrates9529 yeah, there might have been some racial tension between Bruce and the crew, but sorry, you sound like your brain has been rinsed clean. All that remains is a string of programmed buzzwords you parrot without knowing their full meaning.
Everytime he just goes "hm, ok, uh-huh, really?" or just staying silent
the best stunt man is buster keaton and jackie chan, the second respects so much bruce lee, wtf are you talking about?
I like how once Joe Rogan starts laughing Quentin just looks at him like "Ain't shit funny. What are you laughing at?"
Mike Tyson technique
@@sajithks97 difference being Tarantino has nothing to back up his huge gaping pie hole, whereas Mike Tyson..
@@joewright9879 probability of infliction of physical violence need not be the only reason one man/woman can shut the other.
lol I think he's just good at being deadpan. Definitely felt like he wanted Joe to laugh.
Joe often hides behind his laughs. Because ain't nobody else ever laughing at his jokes
Bruce Lee’s a legend! And, he’s the reason a lot of us older folks fell in love with martial arts. RIP Mr. Lee 🙏
He was an actor and a dancer lol
@@ConAir94 He also fought too. He was literally challenged every day by people of all sizes because he was a small Asian man who made a name for himself as a fighter.
@@jonkornealus9604 it so weird that in that time period there’s not one fight on film
Tarantino be comparing Bruce's to a Fuckin' Fictional character who fought in the world War. Haha fuckin' pussy of him
@@ConAir94what’s weird is you scrutinising the mans life 🤡
“I don’t want this to be the only thing pulled from the show”
gets a JRE YT clip…..
😭😭
Just couldn't help it. Lol
came here for that 😂
Look up
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious! 😆 😂
Tarantino lecturing Joe Rogan on fighting is a bit like Joe lecturing Quentin on filmmaking but Rogan holds his tongue to avoid a pointless debate.
I’ve always thought that the whole scene was Cliff daydreaming while having a break from repairing the antenna.
Underrated comment haha
Its clear hes reminiscing
Bring Jackie out in the show and have him defend Bruce Lee. He was an actual stuntman to Bruce Lee back.
Its a shame Michael Chan doesnt speak english , you can tell he was very impressed by Lee and so was Bolo
Jackie Chan admitted in interviews he got noticed by Bruce after Bruce decked him for real in a fight scene and apologized.
@@snapdragon9300 Mhhh, interesting can you give some source pls I would like to see that if possible.
Jackie chan was Chinese so Bruce may have treated him different
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Bruce has respect for Chinese stuntmen. That's how he became friends with Jackie Chan.
but he also hits the chinese stuntmen for real. Jackie has a story about that
@@chronocross85 it's just the way it's done in Asia. They take massive hits and falls for the film.
@@chronocross85 Chinese stuntman do things differently they actually hit eachother and go all out most of the time without pads
@@cronos7653 and thats why chinese fight movies are so good
@@cronos7653 Tony Jaa and Donny Yen and hit their stuntmen for real and it makes the movies look more real. They also pay them extra to take a hard shot I heard. At least ive heard that ablut Yen...
It's crazy how Tarantino is so detailed about his characters and the research he puts into how those characters would interact with real people.
His info is flawed. Do some research. He just says he read the books. The books don't say anything he says they do! he most be a democrat!
@@mwoutlaw100 you are really funny, not on purpose, but funny to know exists and uses their brain in this manner.
He is a terrible director, Jackie Chan a stunt man who work with Bruce said something totally different, after being hit hard he was very apologetic, which means tarantino has no idea what he's talking about
The Barbecue t-shirt really adds to Joe's Texan Steakhouse vibe.
Now I want some of those warm rolls and honey butter and a basket of sweet potato fries and a cute single mom waitress to ask me, "y'all okay, sugar?"
lol "R&D Grill " Joe Kicks all the Elk meat to tenderize it like rocky. while Joey D eats a hoagie and yells "your a bum Joe Rogan!" young Jamie can work front of house
"This guy is not fighting me. He is fighting his instinct to kill me!"
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Cringe
He is right. I did fight a lot on street fights. Once there was a dude I fighted during night. I immediatly relized he was weaker than me but I also relized he was willing to kill someone (me) just to win the fight. i on the otherhand was not willing to kill someone. I didnt continue to fight cause I knew he was insane and would do shady stuff like use broken glas botle.
@@pepsicherry6389 that didn't happen.
@@arkham_miami It works on non-bots fine.
Tarantino: Bruce was an asshole with stuntmen. It says in the book.
Stuntmen in articles: Bruce invited all of us on the set to his house for dinner.
"Jackie Chan's Early Role with Bruce Lee"
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"Enter The Dragon Stuntman Rue The Day He Challenged Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do"
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This debunks a lot of what Quentin Tarantino said. Bruce looked after his stunt men, even after he beat them up in challenge or accident hurt them during a stunt shot.
@@terat1227 youre missing a key part of what tarantino said, he didnt respect AMERICAN stuntmen
@@Sernival Didn't Bruce Lee have to fight at lot of racism in the west? Even after he worked really hard and made name for himself. It was AMERICAN PRODUCERS and Stuntman who apparently stole his idea and show The Kung Fu Show? Imagine having American Producers and American Stuntmen pretend to befriend you to pick your brain for a show pitch, teaching them Eastern Martial Arts and philosophy. When really nobody else would. Only to be backstabbed and idea completely whitewashed with little to no respect the source material and no compensation or credit?
@@terat1227 I think Tarantino's disregard and ignorance about Bruce Lee is to blame. I think it's the other way around - I don't think the American stuntmen respected HIM, this "short, Chinese guy" that no one ever heard of prior to The Green Hornet, and he probably felt he had to earn their respect. Tarantino usually does a lot of research, but he misquotes Polly's book and twists things around. Disappointing, but what can you do?
Really sucks cause I like QT but he really struck a nerve. If he was a fan he wouldn’t have done it. But since he dislikes the Lee family and their version of the story. He goes out of his way to steal from Bruce(yellow jumpsuit) and makes a caricature of his image. While Bruce at the time had to endure racist Hollywood, in the future his family has to endure this. Not standing with QT. I still couldn’t finish the film after the Lee scene. This sucks. I like them both. But I stand with the Lee family. You don’t write the iconic character of Bruce Lee into your film and do him dirty like that. Not just the fight scene, but the way he’s portrayed is disrespectful to any real martial arts fan. F%#! that guy.
Tarantino is such a hater 😢
Bro exposed his own hates.
Anyone hate lee is not a human.
Quentin describing cliff booth like he's an actual person in real life just showed me how his brain/ imagination works
It’s a shame the clip ended when it did. When he talked about “cliff” being this ex army killer making it out how he’s kill Bruce was utterly fucking absurd. I really wasn’t to hear what Joe said back to him because it’s clear that Tarantino is very misinformed and uneducated, like a lot of people, about what Bruce was actually doing. He wasn’t doing origami ffs.
@@axelstone3131 he was lol, in the sense that he folded people on the mat
I’m not military but I am a Bruce lee fan but don’t take what he said as being far from the truth, the mentality of a spec ops soldier from people I’ve met and studied is not something that even Bruce would want to go up against in a WARTIME setting. it’s not just a mentality of kill or be killed they live that life on a daily basis for years. Bruce would without question be the underdog in a 1v1 wartime situation I’ve boxed and done martial arts for years so it’s not like I’m speaking about something I know nothing about. So don’t pretend that just because soldiers didn’t learn traditional arts that he would roll over any of them. Quite the opposite to be honest.
@@kjonesz Bruce Lee effectively invented MMA. STFU.
this whole thing was like listening to the one 12 year old with goggles and a pastel shirt in your middle school talk about how his Sonic OC that he drew on a napkin could totally beat up the Avengers
After the thousandth “wow” on the subject of films, joe was probably thinking “I should probably watch more movies”.
Heck, I felt the same way and I know less hollywood-specific lore than Joe.
It's QT were talking about here, probably 99% of our 'film' knowledge is inferior to this guy... and I'm somehow OK with that.
@@johnbowman3630 the dude lives for movies. Nothing wrong with that but imo there’s better things to base your life around.
Having grown up in L.A., watching movies from all over the world at a time where film was the primary source of home entertainment, is probably the reason why Quentin's been so successful.
Obviously Quentin did his research about the Holywood politics but doesn't know Bruce Lee or fighting
There's something about Quentin talking about Cliff vs Bruce that reminds me of a 10 year old talking about Pokemon.
He is the biggest fan of his own fictional world.
... On cocaine
@@Dionisis_Pan Honestly, you gotta be the biggest fan of your own work
Reminded of that scene in _Stand by Me_ where the kids are talking about who'd win in a fight between Mighty Mouse and Super Man. 😅
@@DanBruhMoment I agree
Best thing in that movie the Dog at the end. He should have won an Oscar!
A dog would never stay quiet when an intruder enters their home
Best Goddamned part of the movie.
@@FastEddie86 you’d be surprised.
My shepherd wouldn’t Make a sound until you were in the house and the door closed. Creepy!😂
@@TheAlaska07 that’s you, not an intruder
I made some comments earlier and someone called me out on what I said, so I took them down and have thought about the whole situation a bit more. I’m a huge fan of Bruce and Quentin. When I watched Once Upon a Time…, nothing about Bruce’s portrayal upset me. That’s not to say others , especially his daughter, shouldn’t feel upset. I get why they would be. For me, I just understood that I wasn’t watching a Bruce Lee biopic. Nor was I watching an accurate depiction of anything that happened surrounding the tragic events involving the Manson family and their victims. Having also seen Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained, I realized that QT was aiming to give a satisfying and visceral retelling of things that happened historically. He’s rewriting history in his style where the baddies get what they deserve. And I personally feel that’s the only defense necessary.
Very well put!
Disrespect is disrespect...it doesn't mean you can't make that joke...but Bruce Lee would have laugh with you if it was really funny he was very intelligent man but here he wouldn't laugh...look at Ricky Gervais at Golden Globes...he is extremely intelligent about his insults...Bruce Lee was a heavy weight being you can't make him lite I mean shallow lite without any highly insightful support from within...✌️ 🔆
@@jaroslavfricek7772 i bet lee would laugh his ass off. Tarantino took like every second quote of him and turned it around completely. When he said he would cripple ali i was literally dying of laughter. Anyone who knows anything about bruce lee should realize its just comedy pretty quickly.
@@magicalhackerz also I just don't know why people love QT's films so much. His directional style is not original besides him adding in a 20 minute monolog in all his movies. He's a second rate Sergio Leone.
@@magicalhackerz HAHAHA damn you're delusional
I'm not sure Quentin Tarantino is aware that Cliff's a fictional character.
Man.. The way Quentin was looking at Rogan while he was laughing at his comment inregards to Bruce Lee, had me dying of laughter 🤣🤣
It looked like he was saying it to rogan
He wasn’t amused lmao
Yeah me too! Lol. Tarantino is an odd guy but I like odd people
Yeah, the guy's always had a weird way of reacting to people. It's like he's always in absolutely serious mode
Cuz QT knew that laugh was fake. He knows Joe *IS* one of those people who criticized him, *We All Do.* And instead of acknowledging it he grinned and clapped like an idiot...
It's awkward seeing Tarantino explain fighting technique to Joe Rogan.
Exactly
Well, he didn't really explain fighting technique but film choreography.
@@duran3d oh no, he was explaining actually fighting. Listen again.
@@axelstone3131 Except he didn't, since nothing he explained was remotely realistic. What is a "military fighting stance" that conveys someone is a killer? Do YOU know what it is? The problem is that Tarantino is full of himself here and trying to justify a poor depiction of a martial arts legend using prevarication and self-concocted delusions. All the stuff about Cliff being a killer is fine on paper but if you're going to use that to beat up an icon like Bruce Lee in your film then the choreography better be good enough to back it up, and most fans complaining about it are complaining not because Bruce Lee lost but HOW he lost with such awful choreography.
@@billywashere6965 Well, it was one each, even though Tarantino said Cliff let him have the first one. He didn't say how Lee would have adapted for the third round.
But yeah Tarantino is full of himself. His only good movies were Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jakie Brown. All the rest were Tarantino jacking off to his own childhood.
I tried to rewatch Death Proof after this podcast and it was as awful as i remember it. The Jungle Julie Character just talks like Mia from PF. No personal voice at all.
I had to skip to the action and even that was uninspiring as far as car chases go so I don't know why Joe is banging on about how amazing the car scenes where.
“I don’t want this to be the only thing that people pull from this show”
*Jaime edits it and posts this on JRE Clips*
Next show: Jaime pull that clip of Tarantino talking about Bruce Lee.
“bruce lee’s not a killer.” is a very dicey statement to make
The sound of Tarantino swallowing is more violent than any movie he’s ever made.
Lol
hehehhaaa
Thay sound reflects more "other" types of videos.
😂🤣😂
Sure he gives a shit what anybody thinks whilst counting his Millions!! 🤔🤣🤣
“Huh 🤔
That’s interesting, I wonder what that was about.”
😂
ahahah.
Poor Joe. The only way to hold himself back and not argue how wrong QT is lol
@@beastmasterbg How was he wrong?
Bruce was a savage all day he was always holding back
Bruce was an actor he wasn't a real fighter
@@lerobarns1048 cap
@@lerobarns1048 Bruce spend his life learning various martial arts. And training every day. More that once a day. That was his life. Your comment is completely ignorant.
@@elkarion FACT very ignorant check out my new mma&boxing channel my guy ! 🙌🏻
@Cyber Samurai 🤣🤣🤦
When he said about military stance, i lost it. 😂
Joe really suppressed his inner monster to not but into that argument.
I love that he actually talks about his characters like real people. That’s why Tarantino is such a good story teller. He’s genuinely integrated into the stories he creates.
Yes i agree, another person to do this is J.R.R Martin always interesting to watch his interviews.
Bruce Lee was a real person in case you weren't aware
@@GSak_403 uhhh he's talking about the guy who fights Bruce in the movie.
@@Fly_Ry if you read what he wrote, in no way whatsoever does Evan state that hes talking about the guy Bruce fights in the movie.
Everyone Tarantino mentioned was a real person.
When Joe said “it’s been done before in a bunch of movies by people that people say are assholes”, I was 100% we’re going into another JR Steven Seagal tangent
Van Dame too...He blinded a stunt man...
Same, thought that was gonna pop up!
Ahahha, I was also waiting for that 😅
I bet Joe would never say any of it to Sensei Seagals face
@@davysanders4922 What, The Duke? I've never heard that before. Now I'm curious.
Someone: About your Bruce L...
Tarantino: Oh shit, here we go again...
Wild how you guys will sook about this while ignoring him keeping sharon tate alive... Its a movie not a documentary
When Quinton was saying cliff could kill Bruce, if u listen real closely.... You can hear Rogans inner fan boy raging
Tarontino got to him good
@@adrianpoltorzycki1211 I would of said killing is ez, If you can hurt a person, you can kill him
Tarantino's aura: It may say Joe Rogan on the wall, but you're in my world now, okay?
QT such a sass queen
Change okay to "all right?" and it's perfect
@@DanBruhMoment Hehe, you may be right. Now that I re-read it, I also wonder if it should've started with "Look,"
then why from 4:45 tarantino looks so scared lol
In most cultures bar the US its called letting the guest have the floor to say their story. Talk show hosts in the US seem to think they're bigger than the people they have on haha.
A lot of Asian stars that crossed over to the US complained about American stuntmen. Jackie Chan had his issues with them too. Hong Kong stuntmen are a different breed. Most HK stunt groups were blacklisted from insurance companies for being too dangerous
That's because the HK stunt performers are paid crap, or nothing at all if they don't make it screen. Often they will take bonus pay from an actor to take a hit, guaranteeing they will end the day with some money in their pocket.
Absolutely! There are good friends of mine in the stunt world that have said this. Especially after working on the American films he's made. It's why and how he built his own stunt team that are personally trained in this particular "style" of stunt work. You can find behind the scenes of who am I where Jackie is so frustrated with the TKD world champion they hired as a thug on the rooftop... to the point they had to put Bradly Allan (one of the first and few European stunt men trained by and one of the heads of Jackie's team) as a stand in for the guy. It's just a different mindset in film making and stunts.
@@RedSplinter36 yes I remember seeing that behind the scenes as well. I felt bad for the guy, because he basically had to forget a lot of his training. Jackie Chan My Stunts is another good documentary that breaks a lot of the fight scenes down
That is true. Gary Daniels, who was one of the bad guys in Expendables and a stalwart of the B-list action genre, has made a lot of movies in East Asia. He said that Asian action stars find it hard to work with Western action stars/stuntmen because they also move more awkwardly/clunky, so it takes more work to get a scene down.
You can imagine that leading to a lot of frustration on set, especially if it's a long day shooting, and taking it out on a stuntman who's not getting the timing down.
Oh, please, Bruce Lee was more american than hamburgers
The sad thing was that Bruce Lee could not respond to that controversy. Perhaps Mr Tarantino should learn more about Bruce Lee from Bruce Lee's friends and family.
Maybe his fanbase should learn the diffrence between movies and real tournaments!
Joe Rogan looks like he is using every strength in his body not to go off on QT. dude looks tense as hell trying to stay professional! Lol
He should have gone off on him. The guys an uneducated moron. Joe was either to afraid to piss him off or he’s just spineless. Either way he’s a fake tough guy. I’m surprised Tarantino hasn’t been knocked out by something with his attitude. It would do him good to get a good smack.
@@axelstone3131 ehhhh... he's just another eccentric Hollywood guy....they're all out of touch with reality.. but how great was Dusk till Dawn?!
@@RochesterNY607 All right, that movie was and still is very awesome.
Totally agreed. I don't think I would have been able to hold it in, though. First thing I would have said is 'Nothing in that fight scene showcased Cliff as an elite military killer. So why was the choreography so bad and why didn't you make Bruce use moves we all know him for, such as his leg-checks, sweeps, and counter -strikes?'
I would have LOVED to have heard Tarantino's explanation for that not-so-little discrepancy.
@@axelstone3131 Lol you think Joe Rogan is educated and not a moron?