Hey buddy. I'm a 53-year old couch potato with not much physical strength. I did Aikido for 3 years which is nothing. Why don't you come down to New York and talk about it. Piece of s***, p****!
@@robertr.k.4520 damn chill old man except if u got guns everybody in this comment section can and will fuck u up lmao stop akido and go to drama class, at least the pretending will be fun.
"Let's not watch that one because it's easy to make fun of him when he's old". Joe is honest enough a man to not cheap-out in his criticisms by grabbing the lowest hanging fruit. I appreciate that.
Too bad every single frame of every single video of Steven Segal "performing martial arts" is just as laughable as that one. He is on the exact same level as "chi" masters that knock down opponents without touching them. Aikido has the smallest sliver of applicability in actual combat, and is essentially Tai Chi in all other regards, not to mention the fact that Segal verifiably lied about training under the originator of the discipline. He's an absolute clown no matter how you look at it.
@@CadoonTube That's true for almost all of martial arts disciplines that are taught in US, West in general, including Karate, Capoeira and Krav Maga. Just dancing techniques, and never useful in actual self-defense situations, some cases dangerous for the defender.
@@roseCatcher_ That's the exact case I'm making. A martial art, by it's name alone, should have implications in actual combat or selse defense. Martial = military = combat/defense. Therefore I don't consider those disciplines martial arts. They can be very good exercise and a fun hobby, but they are not martial arts.
@Jack deWinter No one needs to be a martial artist to see that Steven is a delusional man who’s entire life is a power fantasy that he refuses to acknowledge is ridiculous and fake.
Steven is a true Warrior who has followed the path of the Warriors, he's been fighting decades against healthy food, Smart movie scripts and good behaviour with people.
He made it to 70 years old and looks great for his age so he can't be eating that bad. I'm sure he eats like a rich man does and doesn't move around as much because once again he's 70.
@@cosmicabyss7358 dude no one cares about that, we care that he’s a martial arts fraud and makes martial arts look bad. “He’s 70 give him a break”dude there’s countless videos of him being younger looking just as dumb, he is no different from these “chi” masters who knock people out using their chi😂😂😂😂
@V P Rogan is a LEGIT fighter; that's why he called out Carlos Mencia, because he wasn't afraid of any threats of "OH, my friends are saying they are gonna beat you up for telling LIES about me, saying I steal jokes; and I'm telling them NOOOOoooo, don't beat him up, it's cool!" But they say they're gonna do it, so you better STOP, TELLING LIES about me, because I don't know how much longer I can STOP them!" (And yeah, he literally SAID that in an interview about him stealing jokes). But Rogan wasn't threatened, because he knew that even if Mencia HAD any friends, Joe could kick their asses since he was a former martial arts instructor and fighter. OTHER comedians, meanwhile, were intimidated; and so nobody said anything- particularly since Mencia would ALSO pull dirty tricks at the clubs, by bumping comedians from their appointed show, by Mencia hogging the stage with THEIR OWN JOKES that he STOLE, costing them their livelihood since they couldn't go onstage because the audience had JUST HEARD the bit they were going to do! Meanwhile Rogan was mostly an actor, so he didn't depend on comedy for his success; and thus he was the only comic who could EXPOSE Mencia as a thief who took advantage of the lack of protection for comedians from theft and violence.
@@SonGoku-zm6sn Change Your Name You are a Disgrace to the SAIYAN RACE I AM THE TRUE YOUNG KAKAROT AND YES IT WAS ONLY SAIYANS HAVE THE POWER OF UNDERSTANDING IT!!
@Metropcs Metropcs I remember when I watched Steven Seagal fight Mike Tyson in the movie China Salesman (2018) and I'll have to admit that Tyson kicked Seagal's ass.😁😁😄😄😄😂😂😂😁😁
I remember once a guy offered to show me his Judo skills. A second and I'm lying on the floor, I barely felt anything, like boom I'm on the floor now. It's like I was gently teleported. Judo is impressive
when i took judo lessons as a kid i loved doing the foot sweep move, i just spammed that everytime, much to the annoyance of my sparing partners who would fall on the ground. I was 11 and had to fight highschoolers though, so they were taking it easy on me for the most part haha
From my understanding the critical acclaim about being "the first American to teach in Japan" was highly predicated on the fact that other Japanese dojos wouldn't teach Americans that didn't speak Japanese. Also; it was his Japanese FATHER IN LAW that ran a dojo who allowed Steven to teach Americans. Most notably; American military personnel. This is what added to the perceived legitimacy of his claims and (imo) probably the beginning of his fascination with the armed service , inspiring his stories as being part of it. While that was probably a huge boon to his legend , in reality ; it’s kind of a overstated minor anecdote. He may have been the first American to teach but that’s because of his connection and the fact that nobody else would do it. Bro. It wasn't like a council of Japanese Aikido masters sat down in a pagoda hidden deep in the woods surrounded by candles and incense to have a chit-chat about it. This isn't the Karate Kid. 😂😂😂 I mean , good for him ya know ?! But if his step day was a chef , Seagall would be spinning knives at a Benihana in VanNuyys.
Seagal's Japanese father-in-law ALSO had a gambling addiction, and so Seagal claimed he fought the Yakuza, who wanted the dojo; but his ex-wife say that EVERYTHING Seagal said was a LIE, and that all he did was yell at a couple of drunks. His father-in-law just owed some money; and Seagal never even had a black belt.
Aikido is essentially designed for unarmed combat in armor. I've studied it for years, and while it is very limited in itself, it does allow a broader understanding of key principles from other arts. I consider it to be my "gateway" art into other systems, other ideas. Take what works, leave what doesn't. (forgive me for the horrible paraphrasing) End of the day, physical conditioning, will to win, and experience matter more than what system you start with.
ACtually the limitations are something Seagal was aware of, hes at the very least also very good trained at win chun (you usually see aikido mixed with win chun in his movies), which is a system that i know for fact is used by special forces, for example the KSK here in Germany. Im not claiming anything more, but thats what i know.
Maybe you can clarify something a bit for me. I’ve heard people say it’s for unarmed combat against armored opponents but aikido was developed in the 20s and 30s. It sounds an awful lot more like they’re describing jiujitsu which was more or less developed over a thousand years ago for that express purpose.
Because he's flat out wrong, Aikido was developed by an old man for self defense against street thugs since he couldn't utilize traditional jujitsu or judo due to his age and disposition.
,,not 'armored' opponents ..armed opponents .....Ueshiba was a trained samurai from the social caste system ...he knew how to kill ...but did not want to hurt anyone ...- so he developed the 'spiritual system' in order to promote peace ....back in those days if you walked up the wrong street..a group of bandits would jump out and try and slit your throat ...there was no TV..sports or men rolling round together in swimmin trunks ...Life was hard ......-it makes me sick to see 'mma' f****ts trying to denigrate the authentic martial arts systems !!
The Steven Segal story is fascinating. He’s a wonderful con artist. The story is really amazing! Yeah, he taught in Japan. He married a rich Japanese lady and it was her school. And, he ran it into the ground and used that marriage to meet someone in Hollywood then married that girl because she could do different things for his career. And he just kept going. It’s REALLY interesting.
Even his black belt in Aikido was faked; turns out the judge was drunk and asleep. Seriously, if you have to fake a belt in Aikido, you might as well say you beat all the tigers on Mars.
Steven Seagal has a career in film because of agent Michael Ovitz. Seagal was his trainer back in the 80's when Ovitz was a very powerful agent in hollywood and he pretty much decided he should be an action movie star.
During the 90s, I felt Steven Seagal had a pretty good standing as far as being among the martial artists who can in "real life" hurt someone. He's no different than any of the other stars at the time. Only problem is that he got old and out of shape and I don't think he looks very intimidating any longer at all. His movies are him sitting down or barely moving and somehow everyone's necks are snapping and arms are breaking. It's kind of like what Van Damme said of him when asked about Steven coming on for the Expendables movie that he should lose some weight, not to poke fun of him, but because he could be able to appear as bad as he was in the 80s and 90s and he can move around and do moves and stunts that he used to.
@@thomaskitlica5572 but none of the other stars fought each other to prove their stuff so I’m not sure why Seagal had to? So overall it seems like something entirely made up by fans on who would win in a fictional fight. I just think Seagal is staring in unbelievable roles where an out of shape 300 pound man is going around breaking peoples neck with a patty cake slap move. I think if he lose some weight then he’d look the part.
@@Dan-di9jd chuck Norris got tired of his lies and called him out!!!!! Look it up Segal is a joke in the film industry and the fighting world that's why he left because he was embarrassed!!!
My sensei is almost 300 lb Aikido master and he will snap you like a twig before you can blink an eye. Mexican dude to. Before I trained under him I always thought fat people were weak and slow. That's a mythbuster for sure. @@Dan-di9jd
Did Aikido from 8 years old till 21 years old 4-8 hours a week. It's not good for fighting someone, it's amazing a deflecting an attack so you have the space and time to get the hell out. If I learned anything from martial arts is that getting out of a dangerous situation is always the best thing you can do. You should only fight if the life of your loved ones are at stake. Aikido is a great base to start doing other martials arts from. It's like learning to read notes before playing an instrument.
@@verlicht sorry but totally agree with him. you could learn the art of running away, that would have been more useful. and please dont tell me of that time that in a fight you deflected the attack. you learn how to stay out of dangerous situations in many other ways, defenitely dont need aikido
@@verlicht Ignore these morons, I have never done Aikido myself but understand you studied the art because you enjoyed it, and can move forward to learn other things and evolve in combat. These other guys wear affliction and tapout shirts when they go out I bet, knuckle draggers, will never learn to adapt and move ahead.
@@Viney209 you know what's a million times more effective than learning a funny way to move your hands? Getting good at running distance so you can escape the situations you can't deal with lmao
A Krav Maga instructor once told us in class "Don't go to ground, you will have multiple boots kicking your skull in, and do not grab hold - close enough to grab, close enough to stab"... Those words always stick in my head... I think Jocko's "no ego just run" seems sensible especially on the outside of a cage with no rules and hidden dangers like hidden friends and unseen weapons, eye gauging, biting etc etc etc. Martial arts provide good discipline, self motivation but not necessarily good protection,
Funny thing is, that's not the first time I heard this so it pretty much checks out😶. Also, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't he arrested for domestic violence or something before🤔
Yeah im not suprised considering in all of his movies he always plays ex special forces or CIA and also never takes a single punch. If hes that much a douche on screen id imagine he's definitely the same in real life lol
@Poisonous Nut As well he should, since a front-kick knockout is next to impossible. He must have been referring to a different type of kick, and didn't even know the difference. I got a KO on a marine using a front SIDE-kick, that took me years to develop; and I sure didn't learn it from Seagal. But a front kick rarely comes up high enough to score a knockout.
Steven Seagal honestly doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. It's funny all the comments from absolute nobodies like the twat above me who think their opinions matter. Notice that you will never hear anyone who knows their ass from a hole in the ground disrespect SS.
@Illuminator Did you know that he asks girls to shit on him in order to get that beautiful oily skin glow? Then he snuffs them out to leave no evidence.
the thing is Seagal is one of those people that is just painfully humorless and serious, and you just cannot have a conversation with him. he seem incapable of just sitting and talking like a normal person, i wonder if the guy actually has any friends. he is so uptight and serious about himself. which works against him and helps with all these insults people people hurl at him because he is just unlikable. and he has got to be a a legitimate first class narcissist.
I remember in 1994 when I guy I was stationed with, tried to get me to go to his Judo class. I wasn't interested in that style of Martial Arts, but I do remember him saying that Steven Seagal was legit back then....that was about 4-5 years before the internet blew up.
In Aikido, you don't practice getting good at fighting. In Aikido, you practice becoming good at resolving conflicts, so you don't have to fight. It is primarily an internal job of self awareness. If you choose to look at Aikido as a combatform, it is not Aikido. And for if Steven Seagal is legit? I don´t see his Aikido as the same Aikido which the founder Morihei Ueshiba taught. Just a perspective from a relativ long term Aikido practitioner :-)
@Magistar M But Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee busted a punching bag with a kick. No matter what weight class you are, a kick with that much power will bring you down. Especially to the kidneys, will pee blood for a week.
@F U Bruce Lee couldn't even lift weights weights without getting messed up, how's he gonna take a top fighter twice his size? HYPE. He's the Paul Bunyan of Martial Arts, i.e. mostly legend.
@Magistar M Yeah Bruce Lee might do well-- IN HIS OWN WEIGHT CLASS. But to suggest he could DOUBLE it and still have a prayer, is just plain ignorant fantasy.
@@alejandroespinoza3686 If you think Bruce Lee had superhuman strength, I guess the weights didn't get the memo when he broke his back and it ended up killing him from the meds. Chuck Norris was prone to exaggerating the only guy who beat him in movies.
Fun fact: Seagal claimed that since he's trained in Aikido he was immune to being choked out unconscious. A stunt double Gene Labell (10th degree red belt in Judo, 9th degree black belt in Jiu Jitsu) for the movie Out of Justice was sick of Seagal's shit as well as his treatment of the the stunt doubles offered to choke him out. As soon as Seagal said 'go', not only did Labell choke him unconscious, but also made him shit his pants.
Some actuers are revered as heroes by their fans and the film producers participate in that; this way they can make more money. But there is one exception and that is actress and martial artist Jesse-Jane McParland (now 14 years old) JJ thinks herself an ordinary girl who likes to do martial arts and act. If you also know that she has acted in American films and TV Series since she was 8 years old and also with mean and leading roles and often as a fighter. She has remained an ordinary girl and has her feet on the ground. But in fact JJ is not an ordinary girl who does martial arts, because by the age of 11 she already had more than 300 Championship titles to her name in a multitude of martial arts, 51 of which were World Championship titles herself. As a 7-year-old she already won many Championships and was already 3 rimes World Champion in Kickboxing and a Black Belt World Champion Karate and Taekwondo.
@Grim Sleeper The stunt men, stunt coordinator and two off duty cops from LAPD that were there say it's not true. If it were the filming would have been shut down, and Seagal would have had to get a doctors physical to be approved to work there again, meanwhile the studio would have lost hundreds of thousands per day. gene would have been fired and sued for the lost money. It not only didn't happen, it couldn't have happened.
@@deejin25 There were also several people on set who back Labell's claim although they may have just had an agenda to embarrass Seagal. However, actors get hurt filming on set all the time without filming being halted, being choked out doesn't require a physical. And why would gene be sued when he said Seagal agreed to it to show his "secret technique" that stopped chokes. And Seagal's version of what happened was obvious bullshit. He told Ariel Helwani "nothing happened, he came to my trailer to discuss some moves, then he wanted to do some stretch's, he stretched my back and then I flipped over the top of him and said thank you and that was it". Anyone who's ever trained a day in their life in grappling sports knows back flipping over someone who's grabbing you from behind is choreographed Hollywood bullshit.
@@blacksocrates5071 Where did this fun FACT, originate. Back flipping in a trailer, must have been a custom built extra high trailer, two tall guys couldn't do a throw in any trailer.
I love how Joe Rogan isn't even acknowledging the other person in the room he's essentially just sitting there talking to himself answering his own questions LOL
yea it was nice for once to see a video where someone wasn't just trying to diss on Seagal. instead he was being constructive and gave credit where due
Aikido is great if you happen to be attacked by a group of people who run at you one at a time, and all have a strong desire to throw themselves on the floor...
Aikido is great if you don't want to hurt your opponent (to avoid lawsuit etc). As a self defense tool against a violent attacker it's pretty useless compared to other martial arts.
Even from an Aikido standpoint, Seagal isn't legit. His motion range is way to short when he does his iriminage. He looks like he just wants to walk by his opponent, this is basic stuf every beginner should learn. If you look at his wrist locks you even see his pupils acting like they feel it but they can escape so easily. There is a reason why the main aikido dojo's say his aikido is crap.
A very high level view on the topic as most of Joe's discussions. This is to be expected from a person that can discuss origami in one show and quantum singularity in another. As a person who studied aikido for 13 years I can confidently say that Seagal was very solid in his prime days. Also most people who reason about aikido effectiveness should first define what exactly they are looking for. For example I may say that a gun is more effective than all martial arts combined but for some reason it doesn't stop people from learning those martial arts and for reasons that include not only kill or win everyone and everything. Aikido has unique philosophical aspects within that help building a balanced personality and a healthy body. Since there's no competition goal trainings are much more cooperative since people view you not as a competitor but a partner in understanding techniques and body mechanics that make those techniques work. Once you properly understood technique you need to spend a lot of time training it - this is no different from any other skill
@@princejohn6560 "helps" doesn't mean that it's 100% effective. Also, I don't know how well you are acquainted with him but I don't know him personally and I wouldn't try to look as if I know him good enough to say if his personality is balanced or not.
@@Andrey-il8rhI don't know him personally... but alot of Hollywood types are... alittle out there. I think it's a side effect of fame. Your fans have high expectations of you... you become 'larger than life' for them... if you aren't humble... you could start believing that stuff people are saying about you yourself... SS isn't humble, he comes across as egocentric. He drinks the koolaid his fans thrived on then uses his imagination to 'spike the koolaid' till he genuinely believes he is a 'living legend.'
Same here. I saw his movies in the early 2000s and i thought he was the shit. Turns out eveyone had enough of his shit by then. But it's his own ego that got him to be disliked by nearly everyone
There is propaganda campaign against him, Joe Rogan is just doing his just job talking 💩 about him, put Joe Rogan in front of Mr. Steven Seagal and we will look if his martial is legit or not.
Seagal Shihan is a legit master. Holding rank in karate, japanese jujutsu, aikido, kenjutsu and wing chun. He also cross trains in other arts, like FMA. And competed in police pistol & long rifle comps where he won trophies. His low budget movies aren't for me. But he's a legit budo master. 1. ua-cam.com/video/7Gt-7U1ctao/v-deo.html 2. ua-cam.com/video/sT1hA5HDhjs/v-deo.html
In the 1990s to early 2000s? Sure. The problem is that Steven Seagal let himself get fat in the mid 2000s and never dropped the weight. He's still a legit blackbelt. If he seriously dropped the weight, then he could get back to fighting form.
The mind-reading capabilities of Joe's crew is bonkers. Joe: "Hey, find me the video with... like... there's people in it and one of them... yes, perfect that one, thank you."
Yes and that goes for everything. Even boxing, ju jitsu Thai boxing. The fighters are the guys with the separate mindset. The guys who want to win at all costs, completely disagreeable in a competitive setting. Everyone else is going through the motions not the emotions
@@woden_the_wanderer those martial arts u just listed out are legit so it's a bit different. Ppl who practice in those are legit fighters unlike Steven over here lol
Most of your more modern grappling styles, Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Aikido, were based on the Japanese style of Aikijujutsu. The person being thrown, "uke", is taught to roll out of the technique so as not to get seriously injured. Most of the techniques, when applied how actually intended, are devastating to limbs, and in some cases lethal to the person on the receiving end
if you don't exhale and tuck your chin in, when thrown, you can easily blow out your lungs or strike the base of your skull on a hard surface (the part of your brain that controls the movement of your diaphragm lies behind here.) Both situations can be fatal... break falls should be taught in all martial arts... especially TKD and Kickboxing where you can easily be taken off balance and thrown.
Seagal said for a private match there must be no money involved, no cameras, and no rules. So a pro wrestler would be entering a match with no rules. Seagal is entirely offensive.
There is so much stuff on the internet about Steven Seagal that Joe could have brought up and made fun of-- instead Joe stays on topic and analyzes Aikido. No cheap shots. Joe has class.
He's also completely wrong about Segal, his Aikido and Aikido as a martial art, period. His views are very narrow-minded, focusing only from an MMA type of mindset. He picked exactly the opposite clips of Segal to show, as well. Check our the new one from Jesse Encamp "I trained with Steven Seagal for a day" and the videos by Viking Samurai. Also there are several legitimate, older martial arts masters who attest to Seagal's skills. He's a 7th Dan in Ten Shin Aikido, which is the pre-war style and completely aggressive. Joe Rogan may be a nice guy and good mma fighter but his knowledge of martial arts is greatly lacking. You'll find that out for yourself with some research.
@@MtnBadger joe rogan literally said in this video that segal is a legit martial artist just that aikido isnt a very good martial art for fighting other highly trained martial artistist. i mean hell even looking into aikido i would agree with him cause for it to be as effective as segal is showing you have to know more and be better at aikido than your opponent is at fighting in general cause just like the aikido user knows how to throw and redirect from your momentum highly trained fighters also know of those things and how to counter it, and a throw or redirect is alot easier to stop then say a takedown. also just going to say this aikido would be and is a very bad martial art for self defense unless you are essentially training your life for it since it is a very complicated and technical martial art that needs alot of training.
@@jordanwinter8954 That's exactly my point. Although he said Seagal is "legitimate," he immediately dismissed his abilities. He's completely wrong about his abilities because A) He doesn't practice the watered down, Americanized style of Aikido. B) Even the American version doesn't get enough credit. C) He has belts in several different arts, not just Aikido. You need to do a lot more research into Seagal, TenShin style Aikido and not take the common attitude just because it's what others say. I'm not trying to knock you, just to get people to realize that Rogan doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to Seagal, Aikido, the different types of Aikido, what's offensive and defensive about Aikido (Ten Shin Aikido is almost all offensive in nature) and he's lost in the MMA mindset that whatever doesn't fit MMA doesn't work. Half the stuff you do in MMA sets you up to get your neck broken or blinded or whatever because, mma has rules. Actual fighting and Ten Shin Aikido doesn't. You have to get your brain out of the ring, into the street and away from what everyone else who doesn't know what they're talking about who keeps saying Aikido isn't a real fighting art, blah blah. Forget Seagal for a minute... There's a young Asian kid in Japan with an Aikido channel on the Tube, check him out, too. Have fun, take care.
@@MtnBadger he was also wrong about the origins of Aikido. Aikido was not invented by samurai to disarm someone with a sword. Ōsensei Morihei Ueshiba literally started out as a practitioner of Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu, and then studied Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, Yagyū Shingan-ryū, And then Judo. It was from all of these that Aikido was developed with Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu(what is regarded as the beginnings of modern jujitsu) being the primary foundation of the art. The problems come from the fact that after Ōsensei died many of his students made Aikido progressively softer until it’s what many think of today. Having taken a discipline of Aikido myself that was more inline with what it was originally I can honestly say it can be much more aggressive and functional than what people give it credit for.
@@JCole78 And as Ueshiba got older, the style (particularly in the US) got softer as well. There was a definite split in the philosophy of his teaching from others in Japan, just as there was in Tang Soo Do, when it split and also became Moo Doo Kuan.. Aikido and it's supporting styles you mentioned, in its pre-war form, as used by the Samurai, was to be able to fight if they lost their swords and a lot of the techniques were essentially the same, whether empty handed or with sword, depending upon the strike and physical practicality. Meaning thry weren't "just strikes," they had pattern and practice of the same intent. There's a lot more to the style, particularly TenShin Aikido, than most people realize.
Aikido isn't meant to hurt people. It's meant to find peace, and to disarm while protecting your attacker. The Walking Dead had an episode called 'Here's Not Here' and it was about how Morgan learned Aikido and was able to heal from losing his son. Steven Seagal has always abused and misused Aikido. You're not supposed to hurt your opponent, in Aikido you're actually protecting them from hurting themselves in their attack. Aikido is a beautiful and spiritual thing to learn. not for fighting and hurting others.
Aikido is quite literally a wartime martial art. It's definitely intended to strip away a weapon from someone and then end them with it. As much as sagal is an ass he is putting forth the effort to revive the version of aikido that was not worthless trash.
Damaniator ... or a sword 🗡 strike, or a knife attack, an attack with a bat or pipe, a punch, a kick, etc. Only an ignorant fool’s mouth insults a centuries old martial art he has never studied.
I took kung fu for years, training in self defence, but ive come to realize haymakers and swinging beer bottles by the neck at peoples heads were much more effective
You all need to leave him alone, I met him back in 1961 and we worked for a super super special secret force with the FBI/CIA/FEDEX/USPS to uncover a secret something that has to do with cartels or something and we fought off thousands of yakuza. I didnt survive the ordeal but steven did. Maybe one day he will tell this story
@@stec1808 no woman can beat the average man???? 👏👏👏 you clearly never been in ANY combat gym ever. Do you honestly think you'd fair well against Cris Cyborg, Ronda Rousey, Layla Ali, Joanna, Holly Holm etc??? Hell, I know amateur fighters that can likely kick your ass. Lol
"A lot of marital arts that are limited"... exactly why Bruce Lee came up with Jeet Kune Do. Fighters should express themselves, specific arts doesn't allow for that. Styles shouldn't fit the fighters, the fighters should fit the styles. Bruce Lee had no style and trained as if he didn't. He didn't master styles, he mastered himself. Bruce Lee was the first on record to see martial arts as self expression, he did not believe in a art that dictates the artist. Bruce Lee was a TRUE marital artist.
@@SovereignStatesman Jeet kune do isn't a style, it's a fighting expression of ones own ability that fits them. If fighters fight without any specific style then they are in fact using Jeet kune do. The very reason why Bruce created Jeet kune do was to unlimit the limited in styles. Some people just can't grasp that concept, and like Bruce said, styles limit ones true potential of what they could be.
@@SovereignStatesman JKD was never intended for tournament style fighting. It was about incapacitating your opponent. If you can find a legitimate teacher its worth learning, too many fakes out there. You can't cross-stomp someone breaking their leg in the octagon. The book he wrote Tao of Jeet Kune Do covers very little of the style itself.
I've seen at least 5 people use JKD in the UFC and all of them were totally mangled. Bruce was inspirational but he was not a pro fighter and against a pro he would not bring much to the table. Like I said though he inspired a ton of people including myself.
@Shane McCoy he'd kill him. Anyone that's able to throw a decent punch or kick could. He's never trained properly in an actual combat sport and even his black belt status is questionable when you've had to see films and videos of him
@@ricksterdrummer2170 it is questionable because he lied about the time back then in Japan. He gave totally wrong times in regard to his japan time. Also he only was able to lead to dojo because he was with the daughter of the dojo master before him. He is a liar and not legit at all. He would get destroyed by every real fighter.
Joe is a serious beast in his own right... He has spent many hours on the mats. As many or more on the mats against top level competitors, as he has on the comedy stage, TV, and the bong combined... Okay throwing the bong in there may have made it questionable.lol Joe is a beast though, and, I believe, still holds records from his youth and early days as a competition strike fighter. Don't quote me on that though. Steven Seagal is more than just an Aikido fighter, and to pigeonhole him as such, I feel would be a grave mistake. If you know much about martial arts, you can see a mixture and variation of multiple styles and disciplines combined into one fluid moving and fairly effective style of his own. You can see styles such as Wing Chun, Hapkido throws and stop kicks techniques, judo, as well as hints of Chin Na, all combined with Aikido, minus the BS extra nonsense steps, to make what you're actually seeing when watching Steven Seagal. Granted much of it is completely choreographed and set for the big screen. However broken down, with the excess bullshit thrown aside and adapted for the streets, it can be used as quite the effective self defense in most cases in a street style situation. Granted, this is my opinion, and to be taken as just that. One man's opinion. What training I have and where from doesn't really matter, this is just the opinion of a man who decided many years ago to give up martial arts and focus on bull riding instead. Now you ever want fact based statements about how to ride bulls or the different style of different riders, this old guy might be someone you'd be interested to speak to.lol
Sensei Steven Segal is.... thee .....most certified Master of the deadly disarming kendo masters and wing chun double butterfly sword experts. People, his strikes to ( just below the elbow ). and around your forearm and how he would grab the wrist to add the most excruciating hold slap twist with the most correct technique have a hidden step in their style I believe only a few have found. Master Mori , Bruce Masutatsu, Helio. They also are in the same mindset as Sensei Segal. Michael jai white, Jean Claude van Damm are great actors also. But they never sat with the masters of old and dedicated ( truthfully ) their whole life into seeking how to defeat anything unarmed. He saw it
Funny thing about akido. Katana v katana was extremly rare. It only happened in duels and in most senaios both guys get fatially wounded. There is a saying in japan that all samurais abide by. The katana only comes out if you want to die. Or as a last resort. Most battles were fought with ari ashigaru ( butchered that spelling probably) which translated means peasant spearman. The spears were a cross spear with a long spike at the end and a cross tip as well. Samurai were more horse archers than anything else. You would never find samurais fighting with katana in battles unless they are going to die anyways due to their horse dieing. The time katanas were used generally is in duels like a gun duel in western movies. So the application of akido is a completly made up one. Disarming a sword when you dont have a sword wouldnt happen. Your more likley to be killed by a panio than being attacked by a katana when ur unarmed. And in duels you wont be able to disarm the opponent if ur disarmed because u would have died already.
@@dougefresh8029 I wrote this a long time ago. I obv don't have personal experience with this. But I did study Japanese history. Specially studied the edo period. Also studied medieval history and you dont find the wealthiest class of people fighting witg the common folk.
@@mr.voidroy6869 it’s not obvious. From where I’m sitting you very well could of had experience or training. Appreciate the transparency and you come across as more knowledgeable then anything else I read on this thread.
what if you're caught without your sword? Katana are sharp along one edge only (and tip)... you absolutely can disarm an attacker armed with a Katana. Especially, if you are well trained and conditioned to do so, as the Samurai were. That said... I prefer Wakizashi as close combat is more likely if you are ambushed... not that I ever carry mine in public or even around at home... most people just use guns for self defense these days anyway.
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Xu Xiaodong spent his whole life exposing bs martial arts and facing the Chinese government for going against Chinese traditions. He would be such an interesting episode.
And now he’s black listed by the State and can’t find work or buy a house or live his life because the government wants to destroy him like he did to all their bullshit.
I had to come to the comments and check to see if at least one other person thought that was the dumbest fuckin exchange ever on JRE. What the fuck was that? Bad editing? Jesus christ
and i think he is 100% right! he could fight me easy, 60+ without combat training but street fighting exp. (back in the days) but i wonder how it would end when he get hit first! aikido guys are not used to get kicked or hit like boxer, thai boxer....
my father was teaching me judo since I remember. Thanks to him Im able to toss attacker as I wont. but Im a quite a big/tall guy so it is easier for me probably. Thank you dad.
Any Judoka can name the greats. Having not practice judo in over 10 years, I knew it was Mifune. And in that aspect, don't use demonstration Segal for your Aikido debate. Like Mifune, you need to view footage of Ueshiba for a true appreciation of Aikido.
postersandstuff are you freaking kidding?!? Van Damme? He looks great in movies or kicking the air but in real fights - not his point tournament days - he’s gotten his sss handed to him several times. Same thing for the phony he played in that movie, Frank Dux
When Steven Seagal turned 18 and about to move out, he told his dad "You're the man of the house now." His dad stood up, beat his ass, sent him back to his room and grounded him for a week. 😂
This is the 1st time Joe speaks with little idea of an Art. If you watch the video of Steven visiting the old master in Okinawa, you see what the Art can do. There is also a later video from UAE, where some guy trains with Steven. Steven explains why his form is different. It is reactionary, but offensive. He moves forward when attacked, not back. I learned some wrist and elbow locks when studying with my 1st Teacher. They were damn nasty, and you hit the ground hard. I was his favorite practice dummy, so I know the impact and inability to fight back. , He also showed me a few blows, learned from his Master, that he would not teach. These were death blows. Only used in life threatening situations. In the end though, it is the individual skill level of the person, practicing the Art, that makes it workable in more situations.
Except Aikido isn't a traditional martial art, it's an imitation, hence the "-do" suffix. Traditional Japanese martial arts use the "-jutsu" suffix, and even then they were part of a school and should have the school's name attached to them. For example Katori Shinto-ryu jujutsu varies from Yagyu Shingan-ryu jujutsu. Same with their kenjutsu and sojutsu etc, and other schools' martial arts vary from theirs.
@@red5llaw Karate is not a traditional Japanese martial art, it is an Okinawan martial art. Might sound like mere semantics, but prior to the Meiji Restoration Okinawa was the Ryukyu Kingdom and not part of Japan proper. Though Japan did make Okinawa a vassal state of the Satsuma domain during the Edo period, they were prohibited from practicing Japanese martial arts or culture and had more in common with China. In turn traditional, historical karate has more in common with Chinese wushu than Japanese bujutsu. By the way the reason for this prohibition by Japan after their conquering of the Ryukyu Kingdom was to allow the Ryukyu Kingdom to serve as a loophole for trade with China, which had otherwise cut off trade with Japan.
Not to wade too deep into the argument, but to my understanding -do as a suffix describes a refinement and synthesis of techniques with a Zen Buddhist philosophy. The founder of Shotokan karate-do, Gichin Funakoshi, explicitly describes this in his autobiography. Tasked with presenting Okinawan karate to the Meiji Emperor, he consulted masters in several different schools in order to develop Shotokan. He also changed the first character of the word karate from something that meant 'Chinese' as well as 'empty' to a character with strong Buddhist connotations. Jigoro Kano, the founder of modern judo, eliminated a lot of the chokes and dangerous techniques in jujitsu and added his own philosophical elements. Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of modern aikido, was an intensely religious man and member of the Omotokyo Shinto sect. Aikido schools still incorporate certain Shinto practices as well as Ueshiba's ideas about handling conflicts. My initial observation about the utility of traditional martial arts is derived from Dave Lowry, author of The Karate Way column in Black Belt Magazine. He's written a number of books about the history of traditional Japanese martial arts and his own path in them. So whether or not aikido is legitimately traditional or not is, to my mind, immaterial. As a practical system against a trained opponent, aikido is not all that effective. As a method of physical and mental discipline, it's not bad.
Vincent Cuenca: and designed to avoid being spotted. There were LAWS against civilian combat in most countries, so when people got out of the military, then they claimed they were just teaching others to DANCE. LITERALLY. Some morons today even think that martial arts BEGAN as dancing... and I say "so what did the ARMY do?" LOL
Akido is for self-defense. It really has no straight-up offensive moves. So if your opponent doesn't come at you, there's nothing you can do. And it is far more effective against larger, stronger opponents, since you are turning their weight and motion against them.
Steven seagal knows Akido, karate, judo and many other dangerous words.
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That’s brilliant
Darren Evans you had us in the first half
JAPANESE words.
Also, cholesterol, flabby aikido my ass.
"It's easy to poke fun at him when he's old"
Joe is too nice
*Jontron has entered the chat*
same as Q ball Joe
Hey buddy. I'm a 53-year old couch potato with not much physical strength. I did Aikido for 3 years which is nothing. Why don't you come down to New York and talk about it. Piece of s***, p****!
@@robertr.k.4520 damn chill old man except if u got guns everybody in this comment section can and will fuck u up lmao stop akido and go to drama class, at least the pretending will be fun.
@@qqlf207 my invitation stands to you.
"Let's not watch that one because it's easy to make fun of him when he's old". Joe is honest enough a man to not cheap-out in his criticisms by grabbing the lowest hanging fruit. I appreciate that.
Too bad every single frame of every single video of Steven Segal "performing martial arts" is just as laughable as that one. He is on the exact same level as "chi" masters that knock down opponents without touching them. Aikido has the smallest sliver of applicability in actual combat, and is essentially Tai Chi in all other regards, not to mention the fact that Segal verifiably lied about training under the originator of the discipline. He's an absolute clown no matter how you look at it.
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@@CadoonTube That's true for almost all of martial arts disciplines that are taught in US, West in general, including Karate, Capoeira and Krav Maga. Just dancing techniques, and never useful in actual self-defense situations, some cases dangerous for the defender.
@@roseCatcher_ That's the exact case I'm making. A martial art, by it's name alone, should have implications in actual combat or selse defense. Martial = military = combat/defense. Therefore I don't consider those disciplines martial arts. They can be very good exercise and a fun hobby, but they are not martial arts.
@Jack deWinter No one needs to be a martial artist to see that Steven is a delusional man who’s entire life is a power fantasy that he refuses to acknowledge is ridiculous and fake.
Steven is a true Warrior who has followed the path of the Warriors, he's been fighting decades against healthy food, Smart movie scripts and good behaviour with people.
oh man this had me laughing out loud waking up the household
Only someone who knows nothing could say such stupid nonsense confidently lol
Hilarious...
He made it to 70 years old and looks great for his age so he can't be eating that bad.
I'm sure he eats like a rich man does and doesn't move around as much because once again he's 70.
@@cosmicabyss7358 dude no one cares about that, we care that he’s a martial arts fraud and makes martial arts look bad. “He’s 70 give him a break”dude there’s countless videos of him being younger looking just as dumb, he is no different from these “chi” masters who knock people out using their chi😂😂😂😂
Sometimes it boggles my mind that Steven Seagal is a real person. He’s like a character from South Park that came to life
Vince McMahon , now THAT guy is eccentric , lol :p
There is actually a South Park that he is in. They make him cry.
Lol
@@MutarFuqueer Seboomboom
I see you like jontron
Steven Seagal is a legend. Just ask him.
Best comment ever...lol
LMFAO 😅😅😅😂
Easy Don Rickles
SSC I'm not a MIND-reader.
@V P Rogan is a LEGIT fighter; that's why he called out Carlos Mencia, because he wasn't afraid of any threats of "OH, my friends are saying they are gonna beat you up for telling LIES about me, saying I steal jokes; and I'm telling them NOOOOoooo, don't beat him up, it's cool!" But they say they're gonna do it, so you better STOP, TELLING LIES about me, because I don't know how much longer I can STOP them!"
(And yeah, he literally SAID that in an interview about him stealing jokes).
But Rogan wasn't threatened, because he knew that even if Mencia HAD any friends, Joe could kick their asses since he was a former martial arts instructor and fighter.
OTHER comedians, meanwhile, were intimidated; and so nobody said anything-
particularly since Mencia would ALSO pull dirty tricks at the clubs, by bumping comedians from their appointed show, by Mencia hogging the stage with THEIR OWN JOKES that he STOLE, costing them their livelihood since they couldn't go onstage because the audience had JUST HEARD the bit they were going to do!
Meanwhile Rogan was mostly an actor, so he didn't depend on comedy for his success; and thus he was the only comic who could EXPOSE Mencia as a thief who took advantage of the lack of protection for comedians from theft and violence.
Little known fact Steven Seagal is also a grand master 10x blackbelt at Bullshito.
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I laughed asi hard. Thank you.
LOL
@@Maxwellhanes it really wasn't that funny 😐
@@SonGoku-zm6sn Change Your Name You are a Disgrace to the SAIYAN RACE I AM THE TRUE YOUNG KAKAROT AND YES IT WAS ONLY SAIYANS HAVE THE POWER OF UNDERSTANDING IT!!
I love listening to Joe talk about combat sports, martial arts, etc. He's really a great student and historian of this stuff.
Joe wouldn't know a fact if it kicked him in the nuts.
@@mrd3016what the fk? Is that a android emoji
@@mrd3016 speaking of nuts, your mom sucked mine last night for 2 hours straight.
@@MoldRosshow did he do that
Dmt can cure cancer
Joe rogan
Rules of Aikido - No no no......come at me like this.
HAHAHAHA DUDEEE IM FUCKING CRYING 😂😂😂😂
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bwaaaahahahahaha!!!
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True though. It's the same as those so-called Chi masters who knock people over with bullshit. 😂
Steven Seagal is the most grounded fighter. Not because of his Martial Arts style. But because of gravity.
@Metropcs Metropcs so do you think someone such as Michael J. White or Jason Statham could beat Mr. Seagal?😀
😂😂😂
Right.. How he uses his opponent's momentum against him
@Metropcs Metropcs I remember when I watched Steven Seagal fight Mike Tyson in the movie China Salesman (2018) and I'll have to admit that Tyson kicked Seagal's ass.😁😁😄😄😄😂😂😂😁😁
@Metropcs Metropcs if you don't believe me you can even search up the fight clip with him and tyson on UA-cam.
I remember once a guy offered to show me his Judo skills. A second and I'm lying on the floor, I barely felt anything, like boom I'm on the floor now. It's like I was gently teleported. Judo is impressive
Gently teleported 😂
when i took judo lessons as a kid i loved doing the foot sweep move, i just spammed that everytime, much to the annoyance of my sparing partners who would fall on the ground. I was 11 and had to fight highschoolers though, so they were taking it easy on me for the most part haha
It should be studied more, as the slams end fight a lot too. We see things like this with Judo and Wrestlers.
@@littleredrosehow do I become a master and black belt in gentle teleportation, lol
Where you drunk?
From my understanding the critical acclaim about being "the first American to teach in Japan" was highly predicated on the fact that other Japanese dojos wouldn't teach Americans that didn't speak Japanese. Also; it was his Japanese FATHER IN LAW that ran a dojo who allowed Steven to teach Americans. Most notably; American military personnel. This is what added to the perceived legitimacy of his claims and (imo) probably the beginning of his fascination with the armed service , inspiring his stories as being part of it. While that was probably a huge boon to his legend , in reality ; it’s kind of a overstated minor anecdote.
He may have been the first American to teach but that’s because of his connection and the fact that nobody else would do it. Bro. It wasn't like a council of Japanese Aikido masters sat down in a pagoda hidden deep in the woods surrounded by candles and incense to have a chit-chat about it. This isn't the Karate Kid. 😂😂😂
I mean , good for him ya know ?! But if his step day was a chef , Seagall would be spinning knives at a Benihana in VanNuyys.
A secret meeting in the woods. 😂😂
I mean he’d still prob beat the shit out of you lol
@@lilsmith22 in a pie eating contest maybe . 😂😂😂
@@lilsmith22 pop it out
Seagal's Japanese father-in-law ALSO had a gambling addiction, and so Seagal claimed he fought the Yakuza, who wanted the dojo; but his ex-wife say that EVERYTHING Seagal said was a LIE, and that all he did was yell at a couple of drunks. His father-in-law just owed some money; and Seagal never even had a black belt.
“Was your dad drunk?”
“He was 6’2”
Good talk
Tyrone Bigums omg I’m dying 🤣
6'2''?, sounds like a tall story to me.
@@clarenceboddicker6679 Hahaha thats gold
The editor is drunk
i think he nodded off camera and then said he was 6'2
Steven Seagal was born in Alaska, in a log cabin that he built with his own two hands
Akido Chop!! No saw needed
Miguel Camilleri Really cool .
That's A Fucking Lie and You know it...We all know it!!! We all know Chuck Norris built his own cabin with his own hands. We all know that.
And he could see Russia from his porch
I see nothing wrong with that
Aikido is essentially designed for unarmed combat in armor. I've studied it for years, and while it is very limited in itself, it does allow a broader understanding of key principles from other arts. I consider it to be my "gateway" art into other systems, other ideas. Take what works, leave what doesn't. (forgive me for the horrible paraphrasing)
End of the day, physical conditioning, will to win, and experience matter more than what system you start with.
ACtually the limitations are something Seagal was aware of, hes at the very least also very good trained at win chun (you usually see aikido mixed with win chun in his movies), which is a system that i know for fact is used by special forces, for example the KSK here in Germany. Im not claiming anything more, but thats what i know.
Ah yes akido also known as bullshito
Maybe you can clarify something a bit for me. I’ve heard people say it’s for unarmed combat against armored opponents but aikido was developed in the 20s and 30s.
It sounds an awful lot more like they’re describing jiujitsu which was more or less developed over a thousand years ago for that express purpose.
Because he's flat out wrong, Aikido was developed by an old man for self defense against street thugs since he couldn't utilize traditional jujitsu or judo due to his age and disposition.
,,not 'armored' opponents ..armed opponents .....Ueshiba was a trained samurai from the social caste system ...he knew how to kill ...but did not want to hurt anyone ...- so he developed the 'spiritual system' in order to promote peace ....back in those days if you walked up the wrong street..a group of bandits would jump out and try and slit your throat ...there was no TV..sports or men rolling round together in swimmin trunks ...Life was hard ......-it makes me sick to see 'mma' f****ts trying to denigrate the authentic martial arts systems !!
The Steven Segal story is fascinating. He’s a wonderful con artist. The story is really amazing! Yeah, he taught in Japan. He married a rich Japanese lady and it was her school. And, he ran it into the ground and used that marriage to meet someone in Hollywood then married that girl because she could do different things for his career.
And he just kept going. It’s REALLY interesting.
Absolute bullshit.
Sounds lame to me....
He's gone from a black belt in Aikido to Grand Master of No-Kandu.
How long you been holding on to that joke lmao
@@e69alpha ever since Steven Seagal started going to the same hair stylist as 'The Count' from 'Sesame Street'.
OH SNAP!
I’ve always thought he was kind of like a darker shade like his race or whatever but I’m sure he’s a Mexican-t who’s highly efficient in No-Kandu
Even his black belt in Aikido was faked; turns out the judge was drunk and asleep.
Seriously, if you have to fake a belt in Aikido, you might as well say you beat all the tigers on Mars.
Steven Seagal goes into deep meditation each day until his large pizza arrives.
I heard you still are not as rich as he is.
Ippin Ekebe Money is nothing
@@ippinekebe3238 “He ran out of money, they ran out of compliments” seems like he’s got enough money to pay you to defend him on every comment 😂😂😂
And deep MEDIATION whenever someone kicks his ass.
@@travismoore8337 speak for yourself lol
Steven Seagal has a career in film because of agent Michael Ovitz. Seagal was his trainer back in the 80's when Ovitz was a very powerful agent in hollywood and he pretty much decided he should be an action movie star.
Wasn't seagal a bodyguard to some of these Hollywood big shots?? I'm sure Steven stone bodyguard to the stars in scream 3 was a injoke on seagal
During the 90s, I felt Steven Seagal had a pretty good standing as far as being among the martial artists who can in "real life" hurt someone. He's no different than any of the other stars at the time. Only problem is that he got old and out of shape and I don't think he looks very intimidating any longer at all. His movies are him sitting down or barely moving and somehow everyone's necks are snapping and arms are breaking. It's kind of like what Van Damme said of him when asked about Steven coming on for the Expendables movie that he should lose some weight, not to poke fun of him, but because he could be able to appear as bad as he was in the 80s and 90s and he can move around and do moves and stunts that he used to.
Dude you are hilarious!!!! He wouldn't fight chuck Norris, or anyone that was decent!!! He's chicken
@@thomaskitlica5572 but none of the other stars fought each other to prove their stuff so I’m not sure why Seagal had to? So overall it seems like something entirely made up by fans on who would win in a fictional fight. I just think Seagal is staring in unbelievable roles where an out of shape 300 pound man is going around breaking peoples neck with a patty cake slap move. I think if he lose some weight then he’d look the part.
@@Dan-di9jd chuck Norris got tired of his lies and called him out!!!!! Look it up Segal is a joke in the film industry and the fighting world that's why he left because he was embarrassed!!!
My sensei is almost 300 lb Aikido master and he will snap you like a twig before you can blink an eye. Mexican dude to. Before I trained under him I always thought fat people were weak and slow. That's a mythbuster for sure. @@Dan-di9jd
Steven had hypothyroidsm..not bcoz he eating habit
film: _is in black and white_
Joe: “he *appears* to be a blackbelt”
Lol
Yeahh..... It could be any color that would show up as dark. Its a valid statement.
lmao
he is not incorrect. he said it appeared to be black...he did not say it was black :P
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Steven Seagal told everyone he was training to enter the UFC, but we found out later it was actually a typo and he meant KFC...
Imagine plagiarising jokes from the great Mark Hunt!
Legend has it Steven Seagal puts buffets out of business
@@michaelnew5117 hahahaha
lol
@@michaelnew5117 Not possible. Why? Because he's been banned from all of them!!!!
Did Aikido from 8 years old till 21 years old 4-8 hours a week. It's not good for fighting someone, it's amazing a deflecting an attack so you have the space and time to get the hell out. If I learned anything from martial arts is that getting out of a dangerous situation is always the best thing you can do. You should only fight if the life of your loved ones are at stake.
Aikido is a great base to start doing other martials arts from. It's like learning to read notes before playing an instrument.
You just can't accept the fact that you spent so much time on some useless crap.
@@valdemariv394 It was never about becoming the best fighter or becoming a human weapon. I enjoyed doing it.
@@verlicht sorry but totally agree with him. you could learn the art of running away, that would have been more useful. and please dont tell me of that time that in a fight you deflected the attack. you learn how to stay out of dangerous situations in many other ways, defenitely dont need aikido
@@verlicht Ignore these morons, I have never done Aikido myself but understand you studied the art because you enjoyed it, and can move forward to learn other things and evolve in combat. These other guys wear affliction and tapout shirts when they go out I bet, knuckle draggers, will never learn to adapt and move ahead.
@@Viney209 you know what's a million times more effective than learning a funny way to move your hands? Getting good at running distance so you can escape the situations you can't deal with lmao
A Krav Maga instructor once told us in class "Don't go to ground, you will have multiple boots kicking your skull in, and do not grab hold - close enough to grab, close enough to stab"... Those words always stick in my head... I think Jocko's "no ego just run" seems sensible especially on the outside of a cage with no rules and hidden dangers like hidden friends and unseen weapons, eye gauging, biting etc etc etc. Martial arts provide good discipline, self motivation but not necessarily good protection,
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I met Segal at MGM when I worked there. He was such a prick.
I bet he was hahahaha
Funny thing is, that's not the first time I heard this so it pretty much checks out😶. Also, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't he arrested for domestic violence or something before🤔
Yeah im not suprised considering in all of his movies he always plays ex special forces or CIA and also never takes a single punch.
If hes that much a douche on screen id imagine he's definitely the same in real life lol
@Poisonous Nut As well he should, since a front-kick knockout is next to impossible. He must have been referring to a different type of kick, and didn't even know the difference.
I got a KO on a marine using a front SIDE-kick, that took me years to develop; and I sure didn't learn it from Seagal.
But a front kick rarely comes up high enough to score a knockout.
@Adam Christopher narcissississississsst
Judo... The art of folding clothes while someone is still wearing them.
Hilarious 😂
Lol .. that's excellent
Lmao
Lol
My joints ached after I read this.
Joe: is your dad drunk?
Drunk guest: he's 6 foot 2. 😭
He should get Steven seagal on the podcast .
He can't fit through the door.
Steven Seagal honestly doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. It's funny all the comments from absolute nobodies like the twat above me who think their opinions matter.
Notice that you will never hear anyone who knows their ass from a hole in the ground disrespect SS.
@Illuminator Did you know that he asks girls to shit on him in order to get that beautiful oily skin glow? Then he snuffs them out to leave no evidence.
the thing is Seagal is one of those people that is just painfully humorless and serious, and you just cannot have a conversation with him. he seem incapable of just sitting and talking like a normal person, i wonder if the guy actually has any friends. he is so uptight and serious about himself. which works against him and helps with all these insults people people hurl at him because he is just unlikable. and he has got to be a a legitimate first class narcissist.
Lol
Remember everyone, Steven Seagal trained in KFC not UFC!.
Okay, that makes me a Black Belt for sure!
Robert Fuentes: yep he worked hard with a Colonel and became a master of Kung Pao and the 11 secrets.
that makes him KFC double black belt, one for each side of him
Black belt is not a real belt...
More like the stretch marks on your waist skin after fighting/eating in KFC!
It's finger licking deadly!
I remember in 1994 when I guy I was stationed with, tried to get me to go to his Judo class. I wasn't interested in that style of Martial Arts, but I do remember him saying that Steven Seagal was legit back then....that was about 4-5 years before the internet blew up.
In Aikido, you don't practice getting good at fighting. In Aikido, you practice becoming good at resolving conflicts, so you don't have to fight.
It is primarily an internal job of self awareness.
If you choose to look at Aikido as a combatform, it is not Aikido.
And for if Steven Seagal is legit? I don´t see his Aikido as the same Aikido which the founder Morihei Ueshiba taught.
Just a perspective from a relativ long term Aikido practitioner :-)
Another master of shitkido
you can resolve fights through words or even with the art of running away, so you dont have to fight
Then I'm better off learning how to run fast on long distances than learning that.
Gay
@@complex4059 Thats Mr. Gay to you, young man!
I feel like Steven Seagals technique only works on actors
@Magistar M But Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee busted a punching bag with a kick. No matter what weight class you are, a kick with that much power will bring you down. Especially to the kidneys, will pee blood for a week.
Ricardo Masvidal: Rogan's an actor, it wouldn't work on him.
@F U Bruce Lee couldn't even lift weights weights without getting messed up, how's he gonna take a top fighter twice his size? HYPE. He's the Paul Bunyan of Martial Arts, i.e. mostly legend.
@Magistar M Yeah Bruce Lee might do well-- IN HIS OWN WEIGHT CLASS.
But to suggest he could DOUBLE it and still have a prayer, is just plain ignorant fantasy.
@@alejandroespinoza3686 If you think Bruce Lee had superhuman strength, I guess the weights didn't get the memo when he broke his back and it ended up killing him from the meds.
Chuck Norris was prone to exaggerating the only guy who beat him in movies.
Fun fact: Seagal claimed that since he's trained in Aikido he was immune to being choked out unconscious. A stunt double Gene Labell (10th degree red belt in Judo, 9th degree black belt in Jiu Jitsu) for the movie Out of Justice was sick of Seagal's shit as well as his treatment of the the stunt doubles offered to choke him out. As soon as Seagal said 'go', not only did Labell choke him unconscious, but also made him shit his pants.
Some actuers are revered as heroes by their fans and the film producers participate in that; this way they can make more money.
But there is one exception and that is actress and martial artist Jesse-Jane McParland (now 14 years old) JJ thinks herself an ordinary girl who likes to do martial arts and act.
If you also know that she has acted in American films and TV Series since she was 8 years old and also with mean and leading roles and often as a fighter.
She has remained an ordinary girl and has her feet on the ground.
But in fact JJ is not an ordinary girl who does martial arts, because by the age of 11 she already had more than 300 Championship titles to her name in a multitude of martial arts, 51 of which were World Championship titles herself.
As a 7-year-old she already won many Championships and was already 3 rimes World Champion in Kickboxing and a Black Belt World Champion Karate and Taekwondo.
@Grim Sleeper The stunt men, stunt coordinator and two off duty cops from LAPD that were there say it's not true. If it were the filming would have been shut down, and Seagal would have had to get a doctors physical to be approved to work there again, meanwhile the studio would have lost hundreds of thousands per day. gene would have been fired and sued for the lost money. It not only didn't happen, it couldn't have happened.
@@deejin25 There were also several people on set who back Labell's claim although they may have just had an agenda to embarrass Seagal. However, actors get hurt filming on set all the time without filming being halted, being choked out doesn't require a physical. And why would gene be sued when he said Seagal agreed to it to show his "secret technique" that stopped chokes. And Seagal's version of what happened was obvious bullshit. He told Ariel Helwani "nothing happened, he came to my trailer to discuss some moves, then he wanted to do some stretch's, he stretched my back and then I flipped over the top of him and said thank you and that was it". Anyone who's ever trained a day in their life in grappling sports knows back flipping over someone who's grabbing you from behind is choreographed Hollywood bullshit.
@@blacksocrates5071
Where did this fun FACT, originate.
Back flipping in a trailer, must have been a custom built extra high trailer, two tall guys couldn't do a throw in any trailer.
Please site the original source so I can vett this. I'd like to either hear it or read about it from the sources mouth. Thank you.
Steven Seagal's Aikido is really strong because he can mind control his enemies' bodies to move exactly where he needs them to be.
Wrong...God bless !
"This is not passing something down... this is just a violent family who's out of control." That was funny shit!
Steven Seagal is a master of two styles: Aikido and Burrido
Master of lies.
Burrito?
@@sschevmale24 (yes, that's the joke. Just ending in -do)
@@BroadwayRonMexico lol
He can slice a burrito in half with one bite.
Steven Seagul can also disembowel an Italian hoagie in under 7 seconds.
a true master
It was a sub but yea
Steven is a legit seagull
With his bare hands
learn to write his last name correctly you bitch.
"Let's not watch that one because it's easy to make fun of him when he's old".
2 min later he is amazed by 90 years old judo master
I love how Joe Rogan isn't even acknowledging the other person in the room he's essentially just sitting there talking to himself answering his own questions LOL
I love and respect Joe so much. “ let’s not watch this.. it’s easy to make fun of him when he’s old.”
Greatest joe rogan quote
He legit knew what was up lol
yea it was nice for once to see a video where someone wasn't just trying to diss on Seagal. instead he was being constructive and gave credit where due
Well he is a Martial artist
Deep-dish Meditation
Aikido is great if you happen to be attacked by a group of people who run at you one at a time, and all have a strong desire to throw themselves on the floor...
Aikido is great if you don't want to hurt your opponent (to avoid lawsuit etc). As a self defense tool against a violent attacker it's pretty useless compared to other martial arts.
Also because a violent attacker would strongly kick your ass... why would he lawsuit you?
Yeah nah, don’t pigeonhole the whole scope of the discipline from just Randori alone.
Even from an Aikido standpoint, Seagal isn't legit. His motion range is way to short when he does his iriminage. He looks like he just wants to walk by his opponent, this is basic stuf every beginner should learn. If you look at his wrist locks you even see his pupils acting like they feel it but they can escape so easily. There is a reason why the main aikido dojo's say his aikido is crap.
the secret of Aikido is the way of falling
A very high level view on the topic as most of Joe's discussions. This is to be expected from a person that can discuss origami in one show and quantum singularity in another. As a person who studied aikido for 13 years I can confidently say that Seagal was very solid in his prime days. Also most people who reason about aikido effectiveness should first define what exactly they are looking for. For example I may say that a gun is more effective than all martial arts combined but for some reason it doesn't stop people from learning those martial arts and for reasons that include not only kill or win everyone and everything. Aikido has unique philosophical aspects within that help building a balanced personality and a healthy body. Since there's no competition goal trainings are much more cooperative since people view you not as a competitor but a partner in understanding techniques and body mechanics that make those techniques work. Once you properly understood technique you need to spend a lot of time training it - this is no different from any other skill
"Aikido has unique philosophical aspects within that help building a balanced personality"
Didn't seem to work with Seagal.
@@princejohn6560 "helps" doesn't mean that it's 100% effective. Also, I don't know how well you are acquainted with him but I don't know him personally and I wouldn't try to look as if I know him good enough to say if his personality is balanced or not.
@@Andrey-il8rhI don't know him personally... but alot of Hollywood types are... alittle out there.
I think it's a side effect of fame.
Your fans have high expectations of you... you become 'larger than life' for them... if you aren't humble... you could start believing that stuff people are saying about you yourself...
SS isn't humble, he comes across as egocentric. He drinks the koolaid his fans thrived on then uses his imagination to 'spike the koolaid' till he genuinely believes he is a 'living legend.'
@@davidhenningson4782 absolutely possible, no argues with that
Its fascinating to see how much Joe knows about these things.
I'm getting old. I remember a time when Steven Seagal was one of the most popular actors in the world and everyone loved him.
Same here. I saw his movies in the early 2000s and i thought he was the shit. Turns out eveyone had enough of his shit by then. But it's his own ego that got him to be disliked by nearly everyone
There is propaganda campaign against him, Joe Rogan is just doing his just job talking 💩 about him, put Joe Rogan in front of Mr. Steven Seagal and we will look if his martial is legit or not.
Seagal Shihan is a legit master. Holding rank in karate, japanese jujutsu, aikido, kenjutsu and wing chun. He also cross trains in other arts, like FMA. And competed in police pistol & long rifle comps where he won trophies. His low budget movies aren't for me. But he's a legit budo master. 1. ua-cam.com/video/7Gt-7U1ctao/v-deo.html
2. ua-cam.com/video/sT1hA5HDhjs/v-deo.html
The Internet can make you love or hate someone so quickly.
In the 1990s to early 2000s? Sure. The problem is that Steven Seagal let himself get fat in the mid 2000s and never dropped the weight.
He's still a legit blackbelt. If he seriously dropped the weight, then he could get back to fighting form.
"Was your dad drunk?"
"He was 6ft 2"
Lol what
Honestly, don’t ask me how. Drinking in my 20s got me at 6ft
6ft is average
@@danastyson7988 average height for men is 5’9’
@@danastyson7988 average in the Netherlands not America or anywhere else in the world
@@wowdude2624 why should he Google it lol, he's saying 6ft isn't the average height in the US or globally 🙄
The mind-reading capabilities of Joe's crew is bonkers.
Joe: "Hey, find me the video with... like... there's people in it and one of them... yes, perfect that one, thank you."
To prepare for his movie "Central Commander", Steven Seagal gained 300 pounds.
No one asked him to.
Steven is a legit martial artist but just practices a non effective one. Being a martial artist and a fighter isn't always the same thing
Yes and that goes for everything. Even boxing, ju jitsu Thai boxing. The fighters are the guys with the separate mindset. The guys who want to win at all costs, completely disagreeable in a competitive setting. Everyone else is going through the motions not the emotions
@@woden_the_wanderer those martial arts u just listed out are legit so it's a bit different. Ppl who practice in those are legit fighters unlike Steven over here lol
Exactly, every place I practiced Martial Arts didn't believe in fighting, they believed in self defense!
@@grimesresurrection9357 lol a lot of traditional martial arts like aikido isn’t good for self defence but still is a martial art
@@chrisdudedurian1305 I think it's good for self defense just not vs professional fighters trained in MMA
He's legit. Very legit. In fact, he's too legit... too legit to quit.
To legit to quit eating
Making me think of The MADtv skits with Will Sasso playing seagal
@@nizloc4118 beat me to it
@@lemmythebulldog8812 Ah so good!
Now he’s not legit. He’s unlegit. So he must quit.
"Idk if he's 90 but he certainly looks like he could be 90." PICK ONE JOE!
As an old judoka he’s got that appraisal about right..respect to the man!!
"In Okinawa, belt mean no need rope hold up pants."
Mr. Miyagi , 1984
This should have more likes hahaha
This is epic.
Ha ha! Respect where respect is due. Cobra Kai Never Dies.
Great post. He actually did not even know Karate.....
@@BobBobSquared Nope but his double for the couple of scenes he was supposed to "fight" in did and was/is a badass practicioner. Mr. Fumio Demura
Steven Stegal is a legit Bullshido martial artist. He is a master of his craft.
Im fr crying rn
You should sparr with him if you get the chance. Make sure to put the video up.
Yeah he is a master of craft max & cheese
@@ippinekebe3238 Lmao did he pay you aswell to say nice things about him? “He ran out of money and they ran out of compliments” 🤣🤣🤣
That's why he's perfect in Hollywood.
Most of your more modern grappling styles, Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Aikido, were based on the Japanese style of Aikijujutsu. The person being thrown, "uke", is taught to roll out of the technique so as not to get seriously injured. Most of the techniques, when applied how actually intended, are devastating to limbs, and in some cases lethal to the person on the receiving end
if you don't exhale and tuck your chin in, when thrown, you can easily blow out your lungs or strike the base of your skull on a hard surface (the part of your brain that controls the movement of your diaphragm lies behind here.)
Both situations can be fatal... break falls should be taught in all martial arts... especially TKD and Kickboxing where you can easily be taken off balance and thrown.
Seagal said for a private match there must be no money involved, no cameras, and no rules.
So a pro wrestler would be entering a match with no rules.
Seagal is entirely offensive.
There is so much stuff on the internet about Steven Seagal that Joe could have brought up and made fun of-- instead Joe stays on topic and analyzes Aikido. No cheap shots. Joe has class.
He's also completely wrong about Segal, his Aikido and Aikido as a martial art, period. His views are very narrow-minded, focusing only from an MMA type of mindset. He picked exactly the opposite clips of Segal to show, as well. Check our the new one from Jesse Encamp "I trained with Steven Seagal for a day" and the videos by Viking Samurai.
Also there are several legitimate, older martial arts masters who attest to Seagal's skills. He's a 7th Dan in Ten Shin Aikido, which is the pre-war style and completely aggressive. Joe Rogan may be a nice guy and good mma fighter but his knowledge of martial arts is greatly lacking. You'll find that out for yourself with some research.
@@MtnBadger joe rogan literally said in this video that segal is a legit martial artist just that aikido isnt a very good martial art for fighting other highly trained martial artistist. i mean hell even looking into aikido i would agree with him cause for it to be as effective as segal is showing you have to know more and be better at aikido than your opponent is at fighting in general cause just like the aikido user knows how to throw and redirect from your momentum highly trained fighters also know of those things and how to counter it, and a throw or redirect is alot easier to stop then say a takedown. also just going to say this aikido would be and is a very bad martial art for self defense unless you are essentially training your life for it since it is a very complicated and technical martial art that needs alot of training.
@@jordanwinter8954 That's exactly my point. Although he said Seagal is "legitimate," he immediately dismissed his abilities.
He's completely wrong about his abilities because A) He doesn't practice the watered down, Americanized style of Aikido. B) Even the American version doesn't get enough credit. C) He has belts in several different arts, not just Aikido.
You need to do a lot more research into Seagal, TenShin style Aikido and not take the common attitude just because it's what others say. I'm not trying to knock you, just to get people to realize that Rogan doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to Seagal, Aikido, the different types of Aikido, what's offensive and defensive about Aikido (Ten Shin Aikido is almost all offensive in nature) and he's lost in the MMA mindset that whatever doesn't fit MMA doesn't work. Half the stuff you do in MMA sets you up to get your neck broken or blinded or whatever because, mma has rules. Actual fighting and Ten Shin Aikido doesn't. You have to get your brain out of the ring, into the street and away from what everyone else who doesn't know what they're talking about who keeps saying Aikido isn't a real fighting art, blah blah.
Forget Seagal for a minute... There's a young Asian kid in Japan with an Aikido channel on the Tube, check him out, too. Have fun, take care.
@@MtnBadger he was also wrong about the origins of Aikido. Aikido was not invented by samurai to disarm someone with a sword. Ōsensei Morihei Ueshiba literally started out as a practitioner of Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu, and then studied Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, Yagyū Shingan-ryū, And then Judo. It was from all of these that Aikido was developed with Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu(what is regarded as the beginnings of modern jujitsu) being the primary foundation of the art. The problems come from the fact that after Ōsensei died many of his students made Aikido progressively softer until it’s what many think of today. Having taken a discipline of Aikido myself that was more inline with what it was originally I can honestly say it can be much more aggressive and functional than what people give it credit for.
@@JCole78 And as Ueshiba got older, the style (particularly in the US) got softer as well. There was a definite split in the philosophy of his teaching from others in Japan, just as there was in Tang Soo Do, when it split and also became Moo Doo Kuan..
Aikido and it's supporting styles you mentioned, in its pre-war form, as used by the Samurai, was to be able to fight if they lost their swords and a lot of the techniques were essentially the same, whether empty handed or with sword, depending upon the strike and physical practicality. Meaning thry weren't "just strikes," they had pattern and practice of the same intent.
There's a lot more to the style, particularly TenShin Aikido, than most people realize.
In Black & white videos there’s only 2 belts lol
hahahah, good one.
You win the comment section, my friend!!
Mic drop
That is so stupid but you I laughed so hard.
White, Gray, & Black? You mean three?
Joe Rogan and Steven Seagal have about the same level of legitness.
Aikido isn't meant to hurt people. It's meant to find peace, and to disarm while protecting your attacker. The Walking Dead had an episode called 'Here's Not Here' and it was about how Morgan learned Aikido and was able to heal from losing his son. Steven Seagal has always abused and misused Aikido. You're not supposed to hurt your opponent, in Aikido you're actually protecting them from hurting themselves in their attack. Aikido is a beautiful and spiritual thing to learn. not for fighting and hurting others.
Aikido is the weakest shii ever
@@Weepnot there's a video of a fighter Vs an akaido expert 🤣
@@Weepnot akaido expert maybe but not a fighting expert.
Aikido is quite literally a wartime martial art. It's definitely intended to strip away a weapon from someone and then end them with it. As much as sagal is an ass he is putting forth the effort to revive the version of aikido that was not worthless trash.
@@4themoney455 you can't fight any style probably, fatfuck.
I have never seen a 5' 6" 135lb fighter that Steven couldn't throw.
Steven Seagal has a new movie titled: "Enter the Buffet"
Followed by its sequel, Hard to Fill
Lol
Lol
and eat all you like😂
This is fucked up. But it's funny. 😄
Aikido is effective if your opponents go-to-fighting “technique” is “the handshake”
Damaniator
Ah, that got a laugh out of me. Thanks.
Haha
Is there any better technique!?
Damaniator ... or a sword 🗡 strike, or a knife attack, an attack with a bat or pipe, a punch, a kick, etc. Only an ignorant fool’s mouth insults a centuries old martial art he has never studied.
@Bob Donald that's awful
Max respect for Mr Seagal, plus he speaks perfect Japanese.
Steven Seagal also sang on stage with electric guitars 😂😂😂
Steven got his Black belt in the ancient art of Bullshido!
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's Bullshito. Get it right. Geeezzz.
He would kick your ass anytime of day.
@@ippinekebe3238 I doubt that. Steven couldn’t even control his bowels after being choked out by Gene LeBell LOL. Is that you on that account Steven?
I took kung fu for years, training in self defence, but ive come to realize haymakers and swinging beer bottles by the neck at peoples heads were much more effective
Stephen Thompson is an excellent striker
andrew manyore EXACTLY! But they want police to learn martial arts. 🤦♂️
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk ua-cam.com/video/1QdrgCjO5nI/v-deo.html
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk Cops learning Martial Arts like BJJ would really benefit cops and help prevent many dangerous situations
bum 🤣🤣🤦♂️ no, it wouldn't!
According to Steven Seagal the reason you don't see a lot more of the super lethal stuff is because it is Secret
You all need to leave him alone, I met him back in 1961 and we worked for a super super special secret force with the FBI/CIA/FEDEX/USPS to uncover a secret something that has to do with cartels or something and we fought off thousands of yakuza. I didnt survive the ordeal but steven did. Maybe one day he will tell this story
Mexican Judo...judon’t know if I’ve got a gun, judon’t know if I’ve got a knife...
@@stec1808 lol it's just a joke calm down 😂😂😂
@@missmanu7701 iTs nOt fUnNy, iM oFfEnDeD
You'll be alright... I wasn't talking to you in the first place... So mind your damn buisness get a life... And stop trying to pick on females online
@@stec1808 no women can beat the average man 😂😂😂 have you ever been in a boxing gym? Or any type of gym that involves fighting at all? Lmfao
@@stec1808 no woman can beat the average man????
👏👏👏 you clearly never been in ANY combat gym ever. Do you honestly think you'd fair well against Cris Cyborg, Ronda Rousey, Layla Ali, Joanna, Holly Holm etc??? Hell, I know amateur fighters that can likely kick your ass. Lol
Steven seagal could make millions doing a live comedy show.....He'd be the only one that didn't realise it was one
Fin Regan: He already has, it's called his CAREER.
😂
It's so true though!!
Let's petition to get him to do a TED talk!!!
@@Patrick-ud3vu who, Steven Seagal? Idiots would believe it. The guy has serious issues.
He shreds the guitar like no other as well
When it comes to consuming copious quantities of food quickly, he's unsurpassed. Best Kung Food fighter ever!
Seagal has 2 black belts.
One in Aikido,
One in burrido.
He has a 3rd. In size 48.
@@TKevinBlanc lmao
No, he’s only a brown belt in burrido.
Don't forget bullshito
Steven Seagal have 6 black belts..aikido,judo,karate,kendo..and other two
everybody's gangsta until Steven Seagal enters that studio and asks if "Anybody seen Richie?"
Epicness lol
😂😂😂😭 the goat for this one
ANYBODY KNOW WHY HE DID BOBY LUPO ???
Lmao you beautiful son of a bitch ..... you ol sailor you
Hahah seen this black and white footage from his movie Above The Law, one of his best movies, that and Hard To Kill and of course Marked For Death
One of the principles in Tai chi and also San su Kung Fu has always been the adamant attention of foot position.
"A lot of marital arts that are limited"... exactly why Bruce Lee came up with Jeet Kune Do. Fighters should express themselves, specific arts doesn't allow for that. Styles shouldn't fit the fighters, the fighters should fit the styles. Bruce Lee had no style and trained as if he didn't. He didn't master styles, he mastered himself. Bruce Lee was the first on record to see martial arts as self expression, he did not believe in a art that dictates the artist. Bruce Lee was a TRUE marital artist.
That's is a true coment right there.Very well done my friend 👏
Nobody uses Jeet Kune Do. If Bruce Lee was all that he'd be world champ.
@@SovereignStatesman Jeet kune do isn't a style, it's a fighting expression of ones own ability that fits them. If fighters fight without any specific style then they are in fact using Jeet kune do. The very reason why Bruce created Jeet kune do was to unlimit the limited in styles. Some people just can't grasp that concept, and like Bruce said, styles limit ones true potential of what they could be.
@@SovereignStatesman JKD was never intended for tournament style fighting. It was about incapacitating your opponent. If you can find a legitimate teacher its worth learning, too many fakes out there. You can't cross-stomp someone breaking their leg in the octagon. The book he wrote Tao of Jeet Kune Do covers very little of the style itself.
I've seen at least 5 people use JKD in the UFC and all of them were totally mangled. Bruce was inspirational but he was not a pro fighter and against a pro he would not bring much to the table. Like I said though he inspired a ton of people including myself.
Joe jumping in circles to not outright say Segal can’t fight, at all
@Shane McCoy he'd kill him. Anyone that's able to throw a decent punch or kick could. He's never trained properly in an actual combat sport and even his black belt status is questionable when you've had to see films and videos of him
Street Wise Hercules His black belt status ain’t really questionable. Aikido however is.
@@ricksterdrummer2170 it is questionable because he lied about the time back then in Japan. He gave totally wrong times in regard to his japan time. Also he only was able to lead to dojo because he was with the daughter of the dojo master before him. He is a liar and not legit at all. He would get destroyed by every real fighter.
Joe is a serious beast in his own right... He has spent many hours on the mats. As many or more on the mats against top level competitors, as he has on the comedy stage, TV, and the bong combined... Okay throwing the bong in there may have made it questionable.lol
Joe is a beast though, and, I believe, still holds records from his youth and early days as a competition strike fighter. Don't quote me on that though.
Steven Seagal is more than just an Aikido fighter, and to pigeonhole him as such, I feel would be a grave mistake. If you know much about martial arts, you can see a mixture and variation of multiple styles and disciplines combined into one fluid moving and fairly effective style of his own. You can see styles such as Wing Chun, Hapkido throws and stop kicks techniques, judo, as well as hints of Chin Na, all combined with Aikido, minus the BS extra nonsense steps, to make what you're actually seeing when watching Steven Seagal.
Granted much of it is completely choreographed and set for the big screen. However broken down, with the excess bullshit thrown aside and adapted for the streets, it can be used as quite the effective self defense in most cases in a street style situation.
Granted, this is my opinion, and to be taken as just that. One man's opinion. What training I have and where from doesn't really matter, this is just the opinion of a man who decided many years ago to give up martial arts and focus on bull riding instead. Now you ever want fact based statements about how to ride bulls or the different style of different riders, this old guy might be someone you'd be interested to speak to.lol
Street Wise Hercules: it's hard to believe Joe is REALLY that stupid. Spy Magazine cracked Seagal's fakeness 20 years ago.
Sensei Steven Segal is.... thee .....most certified Master of the deadly disarming kendo masters and wing chun double butterfly sword experts. People, his strikes to ( just below the elbow ). and around your forearm and how he would grab the wrist to add the most excruciating hold slap twist with the most correct technique have a hidden step in their style I believe only a few have found. Master Mori , Bruce Masutatsu, Helio. They also are in the same mindset as Sensei Segal. Michael jai white, Jean Claude van Damm are great actors also. But they never sat with the masters of old and dedicated ( truthfully ) their whole life into seeking how to defeat anything unarmed. He saw it
Funny thing about akido.
Katana v katana was extremly rare. It only happened in duels and in most senaios both guys get fatially wounded. There is a saying in japan that all samurais abide by. The katana only comes out if you want to die. Or as a last resort.
Most battles were fought with ari ashigaru ( butchered that spelling probably) which translated means peasant spearman. The spears were a cross spear with a long spike at the end and a cross tip as well.
Samurai were more horse archers than anything else. You would never find samurais fighting with katana in battles unless they are going to die anyways due to their horse dieing.
The time katanas were used generally is in duels like a gun duel in western movies.
So the application of akido is a completly made up one. Disarming a sword when you dont have a sword wouldnt happen. Your more likley to be killed by a panio than being attacked by a katana when ur unarmed.
And in duels you wont be able to disarm the opponent if ur disarmed because u would have died already.
I read this and believe you know what your talking about.
@@dougefresh8029 I wrote this a long time ago. I obv don't have personal experience with this. But I did study Japanese history. Specially studied the edo period.
Also studied medieval history and you dont find the wealthiest class of people fighting witg the common folk.
@@mr.voidroy6869 it’s not obvious. From where I’m sitting you very well could of had experience or training. Appreciate the transparency and you come across as more knowledgeable then anything else I read on this thread.
what if you're caught without your sword?
Katana are sharp along one edge only (and tip)... you absolutely can disarm an attacker armed with a Katana.
Especially, if you are well trained and conditioned to do so, as the Samurai were.
That said... I prefer Wakizashi as close combat is more likely if you are ambushed... not that I ever carry mine in public or even around at home... most people just use guns for self defense these days anyway.
Main character- Steven Seagal
Backround characters - Steven Segal
Producer- Steven Segal
Screenplay- Steven Segal
Costume- Steven Segal
Directed By- Steven Segal
Stunts- Steven Segal
Nominated for oscar by -Steven Segal.
that escalated quickly
Lol 😂
Catering ... Steven Seagal!
I heard Steven Seagal has several black belts! Trouble is, he has to tie all the black belts together so they will fit around his waist!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jose Martinez: yep, one alone won't fit.
@@SovereignStatesman Uhm...
“He’s Wearing A Black Belt” - Joe Rogen
But the Footage is In Black and White Joe
Jaime, you the best! have to ask though; you mind keeping the videos the guys are watching up? Feel like I'm missing part of the discussion sometimes.
Xu Xiaodong spent his whole life exposing bs martial arts and facing the Chinese government for going against Chinese traditions. He would be such an interesting episode.
And now he’s black listed by the State and can’t find work or buy a house or live his life because the government wants to destroy him like he did to all their bullshit.
He’s just an Chinese MMA guy who fights other old people who study tai chi or other people that have no place fighting.
“Was your dad drunk?”
“He was 6’2” “
I had to come to the comments and check to see if at least one other person thought that was the dumbest fuckin exchange ever on JRE. What the fuck was that? Bad editing? Jesus christ
Maybe he was saying "6.2" as a blood-alcohol level.
@@SovereignStatesman :D
@@SovereignStatesman I believe this
How do you measure yourself with other golfers?
...By height.
Joe Rogan: "He's very legit"
Also Joe Rogan about 2 seconds later: "he probably could pull this off on a lot of people who don't know how to fight."
and i think he is 100% right!
he could fight me easy, 60+ without combat training but street fighting exp. (back in the days) but i wonder how it would end when he get hit first!
aikido guys are not used to get kicked or hit like boxer, thai boxer....
my father was teaching me judo since I remember. Thanks to him Im able to toss attacker as I wont. but Im a quite a big/tall guy so it is easier for me probably. Thank you dad.
Only dangerous thing about Steven is his cholesterol !
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I hear you earned your white belt in fighting out of a wet paper bag. Congratulations.
The ONLY thing?
I'm pretty sure he's been dead for 20 years and the blubber has a life of its own.
The old man that Joe Rogan is referring to is Kyuzo Mifune a10th Dan Red Belt. Trained by Jigoro Kano Founder of Judo.
Any Judoka can name the greats. Having not practice judo in over 10 years, I knew it was Mifune. And in that aspect, don't use demonstration Segal for your Aikido debate. Like Mifune, you need to view footage of Ueshiba for a true appreciation of Aikido.
I think much knowledge has been lost over the centuries, especially many forms of kung fu are not complete
Lee , Jang Lee , Bruce Liang , van Damme......all these wouldve destroyed phony SS
postersandstuff are you freaking kidding?!? Van Damme? He looks great in movies or kicking the air but in real fights - not his point tournament days - he’s gotten his sss handed to him several times. Same thing for the phony he played in that movie, Frank Dux
Mifune is a beast of a man! I mean it's nearly unbelievable!
When Steven Seagal turned 18 and about to move out, he told his dad "You're the man of the house now."
His dad stood up, beat his ass, sent him back to his room and grounded him for a week. 😂
Steven Seagal is legit...he knows what he does. I don't know why people make fun of him like that
"Was your dad drunk?"
"He was six foot two"
Im 6 2 and a drunk. I can vouch for his statement.
T Nelson I’m six foot two and his dad. I can also vouch for his statement.
I'm a statement. Drunks can vouch for me.
I’m a vouch. I can drunk for this statement.
Im a 6ft 2 drunk vouching statement making s.o.b.
"Judo is the art of hitting someone with a planet!"
That’s really good 😂
And they never ask the planet's permission!
I'm a Judo black belt, and I NEVER looked at it that way.
Genius.
I should clarify my comment. I am a former black belt and competitor. Haven't completed in over 20 years. So I would argue that I am former.
@SRA89 How long will it take for you to get tired of being thrown around like a ragdoll? Same amount of time.
*Sensei Seagal is the founder of the Ultimate Eating Championship.*
This is the 1st time Joe speaks with little idea of an Art. If you watch the video of Steven visiting the old master in Okinawa, you see what the Art can do. There is also a later video from UAE, where some guy trains with Steven. Steven explains why his form is different. It is reactionary, but offensive. He moves forward when attacked, not back.
I learned some wrist and elbow locks when studying with my 1st Teacher. They were damn nasty, and you hit the ground hard. I was his favorite practice dummy, so I know the impact and inability to fight back. , He also showed me a few blows, learned from his Master, that he would not teach. These were death blows. Only used in life threatening situations.
In the end though, it is the individual skill level of the person, practicing the Art, that makes it workable in more situations.
Aikido, like most traditional martial arts, is like an antique watch: interesting, fun for the enthusiast, but not very practical.
Except Aikido isn't a traditional martial art, it's an imitation, hence the "-do" suffix. Traditional Japanese martial arts use the "-jutsu" suffix, and even then they were part of a school and should have the school's name attached to them. For example Katori Shinto-ryu jujutsu varies from Yagyu Shingan-ryu jujutsu. Same with their kenjutsu and sojutsu etc, and other schools' martial arts vary from theirs.
@@red5llaw Karate is not a traditional Japanese martial art, it is an Okinawan martial art. Might sound like mere semantics, but prior to the Meiji Restoration Okinawa was the Ryukyu Kingdom and not part of Japan proper. Though Japan did make Okinawa a vassal state of the Satsuma domain during the Edo period, they were prohibited from practicing Japanese martial arts or culture and had more in common with China. In turn traditional, historical karate has more in common with Chinese wushu than Japanese bujutsu. By the way the reason for this prohibition by Japan after their conquering of the Ryukyu Kingdom was to allow the Ryukyu Kingdom to serve as a loophole for trade with China, which had otherwise cut off trade with Japan.
Not to wade too deep into the argument, but to my understanding -do as a suffix describes a refinement and synthesis of techniques with a Zen Buddhist philosophy. The founder of Shotokan karate-do, Gichin Funakoshi, explicitly describes this in his autobiography. Tasked with presenting Okinawan karate to the Meiji Emperor, he consulted masters in several different schools in order to develop Shotokan. He also changed the first character of the word karate from something that meant 'Chinese' as well as 'empty' to a character with strong Buddhist connotations. Jigoro Kano, the founder of modern judo, eliminated a lot of the chokes and dangerous techniques in jujitsu and added his own philosophical elements. Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of modern aikido, was an intensely religious man and member of the Omotokyo Shinto sect. Aikido schools still incorporate certain Shinto practices as well as Ueshiba's ideas about handling conflicts. My initial observation about the utility of traditional martial arts is derived from Dave Lowry, author of The Karate Way column in Black Belt Magazine. He's written a number of books about the history of traditional Japanese martial arts and his own path in them. So whether or not aikido is legitimately traditional or not is, to my mind, immaterial. As a practical system against a trained opponent, aikido is not all that effective. As a method of physical and mental discipline, it's not bad.
Vincent Cuenca: and designed to avoid being spotted. There were LAWS against civilian combat in most countries, so when people got out of the military, then they claimed they were just teaching others to DANCE. LITERALLY. Some morons today even think that martial arts BEGAN as dancing... and I say "so what did the ARMY do?" LOL
You should read about Takeda Sokaku and his relationship with Morihei Ueshiba to understand what aikido is. It's a fascinating story
Came here after JonTrons latest video lol
Genuinely confused if he was human or not after seeing the video so I decided to watch more videos about him.
Guilty lol
Great mind think a like lol. but nah Seagull is phony AF. The things he speaks about is legit but he himself he should be a comic.
Nice
This appeared to me in a recommendation. Probably because I both watched that JonTron video and watch these Joe Rogan clips on a regular
Akido is for self-defense. It really has no straight-up offensive moves. So if your opponent doesn't come at you, there's nothing you can do. And it is far more effective against larger, stronger opponents, since you are turning their weight and motion against them.
His opponents were flying like birds. But he is also called Seagull for a reason.
Joe: That guys a Black Belt!
Me: Joe, this is Black & White footage, they’re all Blackbelts!
What?
amadeo modigliani , do I really need to explain this joke to you?
Well I mean, it's a shit joke..
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