Leslie Vernick emphasizes mutuality as a necessity for a healthy marriage. Sheila talks about sex being mutually pleasurable for both spouses. I suspect the way to avoid dehumanizing sex is for both partners to really be on the same page. If you feel coerced, then a wedding band doesn’t help make you feel more ‘human’ in fact, you feel MORE TRAPPED. God made sex for marriage but I hope Mr Keller isn’t trying to sell the old purity crock of lies: “if you are a virgin when you get married, then God will bless you with a great sex life.” This is not a promise from the Bible. I believed this. I was naive. I had a rude awakening.
I think that all sin is, by definition, de-humanizing to various degrees, because it falls short of the fullness of life and joy and authentic humanity that we are called to. But there is a spectrum. Premarital sex that is mutual and consensual is certainly far less de-humanizing of a sin than marital rape or selfishly motivated, one-sided intercourse. Sin-leveling (the idea that all sins are equal) has really been a toxic doctrine that has been used to tell abuse victims that they should just get back together with their abusers, because their bitterness and unforgiveness is taught to be just as bad as their abuse. The confusion arises when we weigh all sins as equally bad, or equally de-humanizing.
We made love before marriage but preserved my virginity-technically. It was glorious. We called it “Outercourse”. It was mutual consentual and made up for the shaming purity teaching we were taught. I can’t speak for anyone else but it took the pressure off the wedding night making marriage a smooth transition where mutual tenderness and respect continued while enjoying the blast of suppressed passion at last❤. The release of that last barrier sealed our love bringing us to a higher level. Over the years I’ve learned many couples we know in happy marriages had the same experience but nobody told about it❤ Now there are surveys❤❤❤Good! ❤❤❤
Great episode! One question though... it seems that 1 Cor 7:6 reads as a preface to the verses that follow not precede it. What does the original language show to make sure we are accurate? I'm not familiar with grammar of Greek language. That does not mean if 7:6 is not related to the verses before it that there is a right to abuse of course.
Leslie Vernick emphasizes mutuality as a necessity for a healthy marriage. Sheila talks about sex being mutually pleasurable for both spouses. I suspect the way to avoid dehumanizing sex is for both partners to really be on the same page. If you feel coerced, then a wedding band doesn’t help make you feel more ‘human’ in fact, you feel MORE TRAPPED.
God made sex for marriage but I hope Mr Keller isn’t trying to sell the old purity crock of lies: “if you are a virgin when you get married, then God will bless you with a great sex life.”
This is not a promise from the Bible. I believed this. I was naive. I had a rude awakening.
I think that all sin is, by definition, de-humanizing to various degrees, because it falls short of the fullness of life and joy and authentic humanity that we are called to. But there is a spectrum. Premarital sex that is mutual and consensual is certainly far less de-humanizing of a sin than marital rape or selfishly motivated, one-sided intercourse. Sin-leveling (the idea that all sins are equal) has really been a toxic doctrine that has been used to tell abuse victims that they should just get back together with their abusers, because their bitterness and unforgiveness is taught to be just as bad as their abuse. The confusion arises when we weigh all sins as equally bad, or equally de-humanizing.
We made love before marriage but preserved my virginity-technically. It was glorious. We called it “Outercourse”. It was mutual consentual and made up for the shaming purity teaching we were taught. I can’t speak for anyone else but it took the pressure off the wedding night making marriage a smooth transition where mutual tenderness and respect continued while enjoying the blast of suppressed passion at last❤. The release of that last barrier sealed our love bringing us to a higher level. Over the years I’ve learned many couples we know in happy marriages had the same experience but nobody told about it❤ Now there are surveys❤❤❤Good! ❤❤❤
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Great episode! One question though... it seems that 1 Cor 7:6 reads as a preface to the verses that follow not precede it. What does the original language show to make sure we are accurate? I'm not familiar with grammar of Greek language. That does not mean if 7:6 is not related to the verses before it that there is a right to abuse of course.
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