Three Non-Vegans React to Gary Yourofsky's Speech
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2016
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"that humanizes the cow"
The cow doesn't have to be humanized to have inherent value.
Ikr, why does she think only humans have value, such a disgusting mentality.
Rosella m YESSSS, I hate how they care more about humans than animals, and how they thought he was obnoxious for comparing it to slavery. I mean animals are born into slavery and they’re are sold and beaten and tortured ,but no, he’s obnoxious for ever thinking an animal could ever have as much value as a cow.
yeah lol we should take care of all the animals as much as we take care of humans, IF NOT MORE!!
ANIMAL WELFARE TODAY
WE NEED TO START GIVING WELFARE TO ANIMALS
she is clueless
@@juliawarren5979 You are a beautiful person Julia
There are actually several vegan holocaust survivors who compare battery farming to the things they saw and experienced in the concentration camps.
Could you post your sources? Sorry but that just sounds like pure bs.
en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Alex_Hershaft, holocausttocompassion(dot)org, www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=SuvdoSpN398
Keywy Thanks for the link, but it would have been nice to actually hear the people speak about what they thought instead of a few random quotes.
The video went into a better area though, of the animal experimentation I think that was? That is a thing that is not normally brought up.
I'm fairly sure there is a speech by Alex Hershaft here on UA-cam in regard to it, but no I agree with you in that respect. Obviously not that many quotes and fewer voice recordings as these certainly aren't the majority of holocaust survivors.
+MrCheesyBaconBits
“In 1975, after I immigrated to the United States, I happened to visit a slaughterhouse, where I saw terrified animals subjected to horrendous crowding conditions while awaiting their deaths. Just as my family members were in the notorious Treblinka death camp. I saw the same efficient and emotionless killing routine as in Treblinka, I saw the neat piles of hearts, hooves, and other body parts. So reminiscent of the piles of Jewish hair, glasses and shoes in Treblinka.”
- *(Anne Muller, lost her family in the holocaust)*
“I know firsthand what it’s like to be hunted by the killers of my family and friends, to wonder each day if I will see the next sunrise, to be crammed in a cattle car on the way to slaughter. In the midst of our high-tech, ostentatious, hedonistic lifestyle, among the dazzling monuments to history, art, religion, and commerce, there are the black boxes. These are the biomedical research laboratories, factory farms, and slaughterhouses - faceless compounds where society conducts its dirty business of abusing and killing innocent, feeling beings. These are our Dachaus, our Buchenwalds, our Birkenaus. Like the good German bürgers, we have a fair idea of what goes on there, but we don’t want any reality checks.”
- *(Alex Hershaft, Farm Animal Rights Movement founder & Holocaust Survivor)*
“What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them [the animals], all people are Nazis; for the animals, it is an eternal Treblinka.”
- *(Isaac Bashevis Singer, Yiddish author, Nobel Laureate, & Holocaust survivor)*
“That’s the real lesson of the Holocaust, isn’t it? That people could do everything and anything to those that they deemed ‘sub-human.’ Which is, of course, what we do to animals.”
- *(Barbara Stagno, northeast director of In Defense of Animals, who lost her grandparents in the Holocaust)*
“The vast majority of Holocaust survivors are carnivores, no more concerned abut animals’ suffering than were the Nazis concerned about Jews’ suffering. What does it all mean? I will tell you. It means that we have learned nothing from the Holocaust. Nothing. It was all in vain. There is no hope.”
- *(Albert Kaplan, Vegan animal rights activist, lost family members in the Holocaust)*
“I totally embrace the comparison to the Holocaust. I feel that violence and suffering of innocents are unjust. I believe that the abuse of humans and animals and the earth come from the same need to dominate others. I feel that I could not save my family, my people, but each time I talk about cruelty to animals and being vegetarian I might be saving another life. After knowing what I know about the Holocaust and about animal exploitation I cannot be anything else but an animal rights advocate.
- *(Susan Kalev, who lost her father and her sister in the Holocaust)*
“And then, it finally dawned on me. “Never again” is not about what others shouldn’t do to us. “Never again” means that we must never again perpetrate mass atrocities against other living beings. That we must never again raise animals for food or for any other form of exploitation. And that’s when I became an activist for animal rights.”
- *(Alex Hershaft, Farm Animal Rights Movement founder & Holocaust Survivor)*
I went vegan straight from eating meat and vegetables at 14... anyone can do it!
Not anyone can spell "straight' correctly.
:P
(notice the :P, I'm not trying to offend you c:)
Im not very good at English haha
Charlotte Hayes I understand that, English is hard c:
Haha ;) Stilian Zagorov Like im in set 1 for English and I still don't know why c;
Charlotte Hayes What is that?
("Set 1 for English")
What's offensive about humanizing animals? We are animals ourselves and we share many of the same feelings they do. Pain, fear, joy, love, just to name a few.
Laura Lichterman
Oh, I see what you're saying. I think you're right. But she goes on to suggest that animals aren't equal to humans, and that's why she was offended. So if what you said was her point, she's making a point against her own logic, which makes no sense.
The only problem I can see is that we may be simplifying animals by making that comparison. Not to say that we as humans are simple but I'm sure there is a lot going on that we will never no about! 😊
There is absolutely nothing special about human animals. All indications are that humans are the least intelligent animal on the planet and that every other species and the entire planet would benefit from human extinction.
It's an insult to the animals!
Also animals and humans share the same experience , sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch, so if they experience the world in the same way as us, why not let them be?
their criticism to comparing it with slavery reminded me of a meme that i´ve seen: "if people say slaves were held like animals nobody says anything. but if people say animals are held like slaves everyone loses their freaking mind"
Clare did she say she'd not a problem with the comparison if he explained it? because i remember she got offended at the comparison overall that he even dares to compare the two things, but maybe i remember that wrong?
Damn, so true.
It’s so fucking true...
That made me LOL b/c you put it so perfectly.
It really annoys me when people are like "well organic, free range, and grass fed farms are ok" no just make a decision to stop exploiting animals for your selfish reasons.
It's like when murderers say they were nice to their victims... Exact. Same. Thing.
+Velkoria exactly!!!!
People can do whatever they want and are able to do, and whether that action done is "right" or not to you is simply just your *opinion*. Also, vegans are selfish as well... so if what you are saying is that people should stop doing selfish things, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
Frightening Jones did you even read what I said? How exactly does what you said apply? Who said wanting something was an *opinion*?
Um, reread maybe?
We say stop doing selfish things because it's destroying our planet?
Fish are animals ! You're not a vegetarian if you eat fish !
she said she was pescatarian
Patrick Martin she also said she was a vegetarian
RebekahSing so what your picking out out thing out of a meaningful video.
Patrick Martin chill out! I didn't say the video was meaningless did I?? I just got annoyed at that comment
Agreed!
I went from fully omnivore to vegan trough out a day after watching Gary Yourofsky speech and been vegan for 1 year and a half now :)
Nice!
well done
So did I, like 8 weeks ago.
Same here. And it seems weird that they are still thinking about it tbh
+Literallyme Alexia Absolutely!
Speciesism is hard to break y'all
mmmmmm agree :(
It's funny how they're offended by considering animals equal to humans, and I'm offended that they're saying that animals aren't equal to humans, what makes them think they're better than other animals?
exactly.. so we have to 'humanize' the animal in order to care about its life? sick mentality
? i am a vegan why are you mentioning me
+Liv Lab probably the same thing that leads many vegans believe that they are any "better" than non sentient beings, or that what non vegans do is any more "wrong" than what vegans choose do.
"I'm vegetarian... but I eat meat" lmfao I hate when ppl say that. You're a meat eater! Just admit it XD fish are animals. Therefore, their flesh is meat. No debate there
I like Bacon, it's tasty. 🐖
You are also tasty zombie...
+Cameron Hart it sure makes you feel good but if you wanna feel good through comsuming something no matter the conseqenses i recomend drugs
I used to be worse oh god. I used to be a "polo-vegetarian" my exception was chicken. lord.
Zeyden Emsbry lol I don't get that. Or the whole "pescetarian" thing. You're not vegetarian. Vegetarians eat no meat. Fish and chicken are meat therefore you're just a regular meat eater who doesn't eat certain meats lol. Then again, when I was vegetarian, I still ate gelatin... Maybe I was never even vegetarian 🤔
When they said that they felt Gary referencing the similarities between animal slaughter and the Holocaust was offensive made me so angry! No matter which way you swing it, that's true. It's supposed to shock you into the realisation that what he's saying and what is happening is TRUE! You've just got to make the connection and then take the only action you can - don't be angry at the messenger who is merely telling you how it actually is.
It makes me angry too, suffering is suffering doesn't matter what you are. Its honestly just shameful how easily people will value one life over the other or just decide that a living being doesn't deserve to have their life.
+Katie so you think a pigs life is equal to a human innocent child who geta gassef and thrown into a mass grave? Im sorry but that just ridiculious. I think the vegan ligestyle is really good but that comparison is just stupid im sorry
+sanne koning They are equal. We shouldn't be supporting hurting any living simple as that.
+Katie ik not saying we should be supporting abuse amd hurt to living beings but i just cant see your point that a pig is equel to a human child like come on that is just crossing a line
sanne koning How is it crossing a line to think that one sentient being is equal to another. Your thinking is just disgusting, like come on what make a human better? The massive amount of damage the person will do to the planet? The other people and animals they will hurt?
i hate when people say "im *insert enthnicity or nationality* so my mom cooked" like its weird almost everyones mom cooks bro regardless of where shes from.
I agree with you but you also have to remember that there's a lot of cultural and social reasons behind "my mom cooks this specific ethnic food" and sometimes not eating their food (if it has dairy or meat) is extremely insulting and it can be a hard situation within the family. it's very different for eastern cultures compared to western cultures
+vinny no im talking about when they say a food specific to that culture i mean when they say my mom cooks and thats it like cooking is something that only people from that area do
That's like when people say, "I'm _____ (italian, hispanic, american, french, WHATEVER) so family is really important to me." Like, no shit. Family is important in every culture, country, and heritage.
Agreed, she seemed quite arrogant when she said that.
I am colombian and my grandmother and mom cooked some delicious dishes. When I became vegan (plant based) I decided to "veganize" several traditional dishes like Colombian Tamale, Empanada, and even Morsilla "Colombian Blood Sausage". I Decided to bring my culinary delights to our families Christmas Dinner and guess what... my family LOVED how delicious these dishes tasted! When I told them they were vegan, they couldn't believe it! They were like wow, these taste better than the meat version of these dishes! So, saying that you can't go vegan because you are going to miss your traditional food is BS, and a lame ass excuse. All you need is a little creativity.
Fish aren't vegetables oh my gosh.
I know right? Smh.
WHY? Why don't people understand this???
I don't know?! ahh
I think they need to show them something like Seaspiricy or I think isn't it cowspiricy that has a part discussing fish as well.. To show them that fish are living breathing animals as well..
She said she's pescetarian
I went vegan cold turkey while eating a piece of chicken and watching Gary's speech. Since then all my friends/family/colleagues have been supportive. And I don't miss out on any social gatherings with friends and family.
#GoVegan
***** The funny thing is, I tried mock meats and hated them. Fresh fruits n veges ftw.
Yeah the mock meats are usually just a good transition food for ppl getting used to it....but whole foods is the ideal...and some ppl go straight to that which is awesome :) but if mock meats and other vegan processed stuff helps bring more ppl over...i say it's good!!
@@hagarthehorrible1391 Some mock meats taste better than others. You didn't try all of them, right? On the other hand, they aren't as good for your health as whole plent foods, like beans, for example. Also, some mock meats are not as bad as others for your health. Tofurky is my favorite. Their smoked lunch slices and Thanksgiving roast are my favorites. Most of the time, I eat whole plant foods, but it is nice to have the variety occasionally. Tempeh is a healthier alternative, and if you add soy sauce, it tastes great.
My boyfriend and I saw a Gary Yourosky video almost a year ago and both went vegan overnight. Other than some small mistakes (like ah shit that's not vegan?) we haven't consumed any animal products.
Loved this video. You're doing amazing work. :)
I hate making these mistakes :c
@@sanguchedelechuga606 x2
I went from a meat eater to a Vegan over night.
At first it was kind a hard but after the first few days it was really easy
Same
same
Me to, july will be my tenth month, you?
❤
Really inspiring. Could you share with us what inspired you to do that? I just want to know because I think it may help others to make a quicker change.
i'm *offended* at the fact that they're *offended* that *Gary Yourofsky* compared the *holocaust/slavery* to the *meat industry*. it's a pretty fair comparison, i would argue that it's worse for the animal simply due to the fact that this matter is still unresolved and going on at such a large scale, just think of the numbers. Humans may be seen as more important than animals but we've all been created with the same sensitivity to feeling pain, and desiring freedom.
Exactly what I was thinking. Had to search the comments just to see if anyone else shared the same opinion. We're all earthlings.
100% agree. Plus animals are less able to understand what or why this is happening to them. Their fear is coupled by confusion which makes it even worse. I like to show people this video when they are offended: ua-cam.com/video/SuvdoSpN398/v-deo.html
Agreed.
I totally agree, it actually hurts that a lot of people don't even try to understand the comparison, they automatically dismiss it because they feel humans are automatically superior, therefore our pain must be more important. The lack of empathy is just painful.
Yeeess! My thoughts exactly while watching this, sooo disturbing! I was just about to write something similar!!
Flexitarian is not a thing...you aren't vegetarian if you eat meat.
Agreed.
Somewhat fair, but if that is a transitional step for people to go totally vegetarian or better yet vegan, then it's a move in the right direction. We can't shot people down if they're moving in that direction, because they may just walk away from moving towards the right ethical, environmental and health choice.
Didn't she say pescatarian though
Katz Lyse yes she corrected herself and said “I eat fish so that means I’m a pescatarian” I don’t know why people flipped 😂
@KillinitYT thats why its called flexitarian not vegetarian you idiot
Gary wasn't trying to minimise the pain and suffering slaves and holocaust victims. He was trying to equalise the destruction and specicism that is going on in the meat and dairy industries with that of slavery and racism. You can still have your pain but stop causing theirs.
You don't have to give up anything! We have great substitute products for all meats and cheeses!
As a vegan I hate this. Sorry but there hasn't been a single vegan product that tastes anything like meat or cheese. You can find tasty options and still have lovely awesome tasty meals, but trying to substitute isn't going to work. It's not the same and accepting that is a good thing. Otherwise you'll feel like you're missing something.
I had a vegan pizza today at erewhon market in LA and I couldn't tell the difference, it was delicious but the vegan mozzarella was so on point it kinda freaked me out actually. I kept asking them if they were sure it was vegan lol!
i just discovered that myself! a few days ago i decided to give veganism a try and over the last 2 days ive eaten veggie sausage and beans, general tsos tofu, and porkless bites, and while the taste isnt exact, its still pretty damn good! from the perspective of a person who in the past was mostly carnivorous, this is honestly way easier than i expected
@doctor review nice! keep it going, I just hit my 6 months and don't miss any of the animal products
Prince Du Ciel I strongly disagree. I've found a great alternative for everything except for bacon.
your Korean friend should watch the Mommytang channel on you tube. She is a Korean vegan, has recipes and does mukbang videos.
+oceanluv88 YES i love her videos her food is awesome
And marys test kitchen!
When you go to the comments to talk about mommy tang and someone already has>>>
Tang gang 🙋🏼
+oceanluv88 Wassup tang gangggg :)
i don't think you said the name of the korean woman but you should have her check out "Asian Vegan MommyTang" channel. she is vegan, Korean and cooks/eats veganized Korean food!
I love mommy tang. #tanggang
+AsToldByAllie I love her! #TangGang
what's up #TANGGANG
#TANGGANG yesss
Haha, I thought of MommyTang too when the girl was talking about how she was raised. Loads of good recipies there :)
i don't think animals are equal to humans, I believe they're superior because they are
yes! they're literally run the world
Well said.
+That One She says she thinks THEY'RE superior, not us.
humans are animals @technicallycorrect #technicallycorrect
@@dallaslewis2306 He or she knows that dummy, i think you misinterpreted their point.
I'm not the best at sticking to things unless I'm super duper passionate, but I watched Gary's speech one evening and the next day I was vegan. I had no idea how I was going to do it, so I had to learn whilst doing it. Now I'm educating myself on how to do it healthily and such. But 9 months in and I'm still vegan!
Awesome!
I've been vegan for 9 months too!
Yay!
It was exactly the same for me. I watched it and then I made the connection, there was no possible coming back. I knew I couldn't act like before anymore, it was like an evidence!
Same for me, watched it at the end of October 2014 and went cold turkey from the 1st of November 2014. Yes I am still vegan, I even took up running and run 15k a week. The most important thing for is that I am still learning and will not force my opinion on non vegan friends, I will answer their questions if they ask and this seems to be the best approach to me.
I strongly dislike it when people say "We are animals too" but then go on and get offended when they are compared to other animals. If we're all the same, then there is no difference between animal or human Holocaust/slavery. There is no justification behind torture and murder, rape. We are all sentient beings with nervous systems, we all feel pain in the same way.
Seriously, how can anyone want to continue living their life with blinders on, ignoring everything that goes on around them?
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"We are animals too", as well as "that's just human" are some of the most used excuses to deny one's responsibility in any wrong doings.
Cows and pigs can’t drive cars.
@@janeciataylor294 cows and pigs have better noses than you
@@janeciataylor294 on god?
I went vegan cold turkey and was fine. My husband too. Just got to carb the f up. I lost a stone the first few months just from cutting out dairy! I was breastfeeding too and my baby grew just fine.
we have porridge oats with berries/fruits/nuts for breakfast with plant milk.
For dinner we turned our old favourites (lasagne, chilli, curry, bolognese,stew,cottage pie) vegan by loading them with lots of different vegetables, beans and sometimes add mock meat)
those with rice, lentils and potatoes and you can really go too wrong.
So many foods like bread are already vegan.
It was probably easier for me as I wasn't a big fan of meat but it isn't as hard as you think and the more people turning vegan, the more alternatives there are appearing all the time! 😄✌️🌱❤️
Holly A you are amazing thankyou so much.
Holly A I did cold turkey too!!
Same!
"101 Reasons to go Vegan" is the documentary that truly turned me vegan, I recommend this to anyone considering Veganisim. It's on UA-cam and it's about an hour long but definitely worth your time.
I agree, that documentary was the one who really did it for me after years of being vegetarian and cutting out most animal products, it took that one hour video to push me over the edge to vegan and I've never been happier.
Same with me
Same here
Same!
I wish more vegan channels would mention it, it's really such a mind-opening and logical documentary about Veganism!
but it is a holocaust I don't really get the point of people being offended by this..Also I had no idea that there are so many ignorant people...
What she was saying was that she felt offended because there was no build-up to the holocaust comparison and in a very honest way she was saying that it was hard to see the comparison if you don't have a background on the topic of what they were watching thereafter. I thought they were very intelligent people with very intelligent and well-thought responses who were open minded and impacted by what they watched. I'm sorry you only saw ignorance...I didn't see that at all.
> I had no idea that there are so many ignorant people...
... Do you see what I see?
They seem very defensive from the beginning. Basically saying "I was offended" and then they immediately set up the classic situation where they ask the vegan to make a hard, unrealistic choice. The deserted island example. Good signs!!! Part of the beginning of change :) this is great research & info for activists!
The issues isn't seeing animals as our equals but showing them the same respect we'd show anyone we didn't want to harm us in any way shape or form. The golden rule folks. That ofcourse is the ethical standpoint, while also not using them unnecessarily.
Yes!!!!!!!!!
Collins Ongaya Oh? Do elaborate how respect is a purview of equality. I certainly do not see religious zealots or fanatics as my equal, but I can respect them and show them common decency so long as they do not harm me or others. If anything any man or woman who purposely remains in a state of delusion is no friend of mine and certainly not my equal. Neither do I see bigots, scam artists, or narcissists as my equal.
Collins Ongaya
I still don't agree that respect is the purview of equality. I clearly do not see a canine, feline, bird, or what have you as my equal, but I respect they are living, and in turn have desires, feel pain, and don't want to die, so in turn have no right to harm them, or affect their lives only when necessary.
IE can respect you, but the moment you feel offended doesn't mean I've lost respect, yet nor do I have to care if you are offended. Respect is just taking you serious, giving you importance, and should be treated in an appropriate manner, which to me would be with non-aggression or violence, until you try to physically harm me.
The Golden Rule Originated in the Bible fyi.
the golden rule did not originate in the bible. god damn, its like Christians try to claim they invented everything good in the world, which is completely false.
Going vegan is easy once you get passed the wall of false beliefs that were forced onto us since birth.
The hard part is communicating it without making it sound awkward or condescending.
I find that telling people 'I love animals' helps them connect more rather than saying something angry.
i watched that speech yesterday and i couldnt make it through. very eye opening
did you go vegan yet?
Did you go vegan?
Funny, holocaust survivors themselves compare factory farming to the holocaust. And how is the slavery of non-human animals different than human animals? Both humans and other species feel pain, fear, stress, depression, anxiety, affection, etc. A pig and human feel the same pain when you beat them or the same discomfort from being caged. I don't get the human elitism thing.
Anyway, good video. I'm glad your friends are open-minded enough to reduce their negative impact on the world after watching the speech.
What completely flicked the switch for me was '101 reasons to go vegan'.
I remember starting off with Gary Yourofsky's speech, but I turned it off in the first 5 minutes. I love him now; I don't think anyone else in the world has converted as many people into veganism as he has. However, I wouldn't recommend him to anyone who is opposed to veganism. Some people need a gentler approach.
lol my bro bet me I couldn't go vegan (I was a cheese loving vegetarian) I've been vegan for four months already 😜
+Alana S I agree, '101 Reasons to go Vegan' affected me more than Gary's speech!
+Ofelia C. yaaaay😀
Yeah and superior human too for me.
I started with giving up on meat, then I quit eating all dairy. Last thing was seafood and salmon. Now I'm vegan and I feel great, my skin got better and I don't feel that crazy, almost paralyzing pain during periods that I had when I literally couldn't walk or sit, or lay in bed before getting painkillers. I almost don't feel any pain and I don't even have to take any painkillers.
Go vegan.
My period pains are almost completely gone as well :D
+Mina Myung Good for you, girl! 😎👌🏼
Good for both of you. =)
same for me:) my bf doesnt believe that my period cramps are gone because i went vegan..
Right? I had no idea that my body can feel so good until i went vegan... Also.. All those people making comments like its not healthy, its unnatural, sugar makes you fat bla bla are the same people asking me how did i lost weight and cleared my skin ... They just dont want to connect the dots ( my english is frustrating :D
Tell Myung to check out mommy tang!!!!!! She will not be disappointed.
MommyTang is helping me go lazy vegan haha!!
omg yes, ppl please like this comment so myung might see it
RIGHT?! lol I love me some MommyTang.
I'm in love with her! She's hilarious and i have a similar way of thinking as her so she's so helpful.
YESSS!! I love her too😊
and congrats to your friend for going pescetarian! Any reduction in harm is valuable to me, so good luck with the transition.
*sigh* This is a big issue. Going vegetarian I almost get because at least you're not directly eating flesh but I can't congratulate someone on saying 'these animals are simply not worth my effort.'
That's you. I still see merit in it. I would encourage them to still go all the way, but this first step is still a good one.
agreed. on an individual level, its not always easy to go vegan or vegetarian overnight, due to social, psych, and emotional reasons. plus, it's super important that people research nutrition and veg friendly foods/meals, before transitioning completely (for health reasons, of course), and its possible that shes just not armed with the knowledge to make the change just yet.
and thats how a lot of veggies start off anyway. i certainly didnt go veg immediately. its a process. and hopefully now she's inspired to continue educating herself on the subject :)
Pescetarian is no better, possibly worse. If they simply eat fishes instead of cows and other animals, there is the same amount of dead animal. As well as this, for all fishes stolen from the ocean, there are many caught as by-kill. I give them respect for trying to do better, but in reality it is no better.
Unfortunately there's reason to believe that the net effect of being pescetarian is worse for animals generally than being a regular omnivore, especially if they eat more fish to replace land animal consumption.
WOOOOOO!!!!
You guys rock. Your friends are really thoughtful which is super cool.
Fuck it pisses me off when ppl say " humane way of killing " KILLING IS NOT AND CANNOT BE HUMANE
Its humane as much as humane rape.. Ooor lets just humanly kidnap someone..
It's comforting to see another vegan guy whose girlfriend hasn't yet made the connection.
I remember watching Gary's speech when I was first starting to cut out animal products and thought his use of the word holocaust was a bit of an exaggeration. Of course now I realize he was spot on.
@Sequoiah Dreams It's easy to say when you aren't already married with children when you make the connection. It helps to understand that most people hold the values that would make them vegans; they just lack the understanding of what that means in practice.
I went cold turkey a year ago and I'll never go back. It was actually the Gary Yourofsky video that made me vegan. I'm now a whole foods vegan and eat very healthy. Going vegan not only helped the animals and the environment, it helped my poor diet of fast food and take out all the time. I didn't have a choice to eat fast food anymore so I had to learn how to cook for myself. It was difficult at first but I've adapted to it and it's second nature now.
I believe humans and animals are equal because we were all equally put on this earth and created the same; only we have our own ways of communication and we look different. Similar to different cultures and races.
i agree
Humans are animals too.
+spack2k Well, that doesn't say too much for you then if you would choose to save a stranger over a loved one. That doesn't even make sense. Who cares what species it is when the bond of love is involved? If you were that stranger drowning, I hate to tell you but you'd be sucking up a lot of water if my cat needed me to save her. In fact, I'd probably be too busy to even notice you.
You are saying: "I believe humans and animals are equal because we were all equally put on this earth and created the same" Is this from a religious point of view or are you refering to evolution and saying we are equal because we all originate from the same first string of DNA?
Well, if one believes humans and animals are equal, simply because they were created and put on this earth the same, surely you would believe that for all living organisms such as plants, animals, fungi, bacteria, etc...
Tell the chick who is Korean to watch #mommytang
just saw your post. lol MommyTang is the best!
+Ashley Flowers #tanggang ;-)
Christy Armond Yes!!! 😆💜
I love how everyone knows about mommy tang now. This is great
+Katlin F right?!
I am 23 and I was originally gonna go completely plant based because I was basically a vegetarian without calling myself that, although I didn't eat much dairy or eggs (with the exception of cheese) or even honey (because I watched vanishing of the bees and learned about CCD in my class which I talk about later).
I originally was gonna go plant based because I watched Forks over knives. I'm completely healthy with the exception of a vitamin D deficiency. because cancer, heart disease and such runs in my family on both sides THAT was my health reason for going vegan. THEN the next thing for me was absolutely the environmental aspect (even though the environmental part came first chronologically). this last fall term I took a class called "Health food and the environment" and THAT was what actually had me start researching plant based and veganism. once learning more about the ethical aspect that's when I decided plant based isn't enough. I looked into how silk is made or how leather is made and it sold me.
Lindy Kerby thank you😁😁😁
I have to admit, I was disappointed that they all didn't immediately go vegan, like I did, after watching Gary Yourofsky's speech. I appreciate their baby steps, though. :-)
some people are like that they need to watch tons of documentaries before going vegan.
I watched it and didn’t go vegan
Get rid of your expectations.
Hey for that Korean girl there's this girl on UA-cam who is vegan and she is Korean and she makes amazing Vegan Korean recipes !! Her UA-cam channel is "MommyTang"
YES!
She is amazing!!
I went vegan after being vegetarian for less than two months. I made the decision overnight because I saw Gary Yourofsky's speech and then proceeded to google how the animals are treated in the Swedish industries. After that, it was not a difficult decision because I knew that it was my duty as a human with certain morals to not exploit other beings. I was only eating kind of unhealthy meals (pretty much only pasta with ketchup) for a short while because I started googling recipes and learning about veganism straight away.
And I see animals as at least equal to humans (if not superior since earth would be better off without the human race). But if my mom and a chicken were drowning, of course I would save my mom. Just like I would save my cat over a human that I do not know. I think that most people would save their loved ones over strangers and so it doesn't matter to me what species the loved one or stranger is.
My boyfriend saw the speech yesterday and he turned vegan immediately! I'm so glad he understands me now. I'm going to organize a vegan night for friends to do the same! Let's go and change the world with baby steps
I just can't understand pescetarianism, why draw the line at fish?
My guess would be because there're too many conflicting studies with regards to fish feeling pain.
That's too bad :< my fish obviously suffering when ill and being scared of my hand would completely prove to me that if your not going to eat a cow for moral reasons, then you don't eat a fish either. The annoying thing is that fish are going extinct from over-fishing, cows aren't.
Speciesism.
Well I ate fish because my mum told me that they feel no pain
because they are weird and a lot of people dont know about algae omega 3s
Well, tbh, I would save a chicken over a human if the chicken was my lifelong companion and that human was trying to eat him/her. It's not black and white.
Me too.
Me too
I don't think that's a fair question meat eaters ask though about saving a chicken over a person. If a squirrel had a choice to save her offspring over a human, she would save her child. We all value our own species above others simply because its our own but the realization that all animal lives are equal is very important. 😊
Fuck that I'd cut the chicken's head off and watch it run around. lol 😂😂😂 🐔🔪
I was thinking the same! I'd feel horrible picking a life over another. But if you're emotionally bonded to someone (be it human or animal), then I'm going to choose them. If i didn't know either, I wouldn't choose.
I think the next step for Melody and Myung would be learning about over fishing, bycatch and ocean dead zones!! Eating fish is killing our oceans! Baby steps are so awesome though this video gives me hope!
I love this video so much. So natural and real yet so crisply produced. I also love the way you allowed everyone to think aloud and reason things out without ever interrupting or correcting. 👏👏👏👏
I went vegetarian for like 4 days for weight loss purposes. It was the 4th day that I learned about the egg and dairy industries and immediately decided to go vegan for ethical purposes. Dairy and eggs were my most favorite things in life. I would have never completely gave those things up for weight loss reasons only. I had to read and see what I saw for that switch to flip in my brain. I only wish that years ago someone would have sit me down in a room and showed me all these movies and videos.
ya same here!!
One of the vegan channels I keep recommending recently. Videos getting better and better. I appreciate your sensible way of educating people on veganism. Good video quality and editing doesn't hurt, either. A big fan.
+liina000 Thank you! :)
+So You're Dating A Vegan Also, not only in terms of vegan channels but in general - cool content.
I love the way you are trying to get your point across without being judgmental. You just seem to hope people are open to change and give them the reasons and arguments to actually do it. Great job!
You should try this again with Cowspiracy or Forks Over Knives.
but all animals are equal. what makes your friend's life more valuable than a chicken's life? nothing... just the mere fact that she is human and different than a chicken. all animals are equal in the capacity to suffer and feel pain, so..
***** did my comment bother you that much? hmm. the three stages of truth. 1.) ridicule... human life and non-human life are equally important and there is nothing in this world that you can do to disprove that
***** humans are animals, and no. humans are not better than other animals because other animals aren't systematically raising other innocent animals to abuse and kill them for a fucking burger, leading to global warming, health issues, global warming again, and every other world issue. you have no worth; you are a parasite. your existence is worthless and harmful. take it somewhere else and educate yourself you speciesist fucker
***** do you know how dumb you sound? only idiots say shit like that because you have nothing else to say. i mean really like congrats. you support animal abuse, global warming, and world health issues :) big man you are
***** oh i know you don't care. that's just what kind of person you are. worthless and parasitic.
I'd save the chicken first. it's less able to understand the reason of it's suffering, it would die sad, desperate, scared, and confused while the human can understand what's happening and their suffering wouldn't be as brutal.
I remember the thing that hit me the most was learning that the baby cow was actually taken away from the mother cow. I imagined my own child being taken away from me, and I cried. It's really terrible. Cutting out dairy wasn't really that hard for me after that, and my son happened to be allergic to it as well. I'm still trying to find a vegan cheese that is comparable to the real thing, but it's been hard. I agree, baby steps is the best way to making it a lasting change. I'm about 60% vegan at this point, and I'm really happy about it.
Daiya non-dairy cheese rules. Also Field Roast Chao cheese. The Best.
0:56 "I'm vegetarian but I do eat fish"
Me: So you're not vegetarian lmao.
She's still doing more than most people though.
That was fantastic! Such a great, effective idea. I love the way you went about that
Every time a pescetarian calls themselves a vegetarian I wonder which part of elementary school they skipped? How are fish vegetables???
I was the one who said vegetarian. She corrected me five seconds later.
Yes, yes I realized that in this video. I was talking in general when this happens.
Gotcha. Yeah I used to be guilty of that myself, unfortunately. For most of my childhood and adolescence I said I was a vegetarian who ate fish, because that's what my parents called it. I'm glad I had that experience though, because it helps me understand the cognitive dissonance most people have about food.
Idk maybe some are Catholic? Catholics believe that fish is not meat.idk
Aw this is really positive!! They seem so sweet-and good on Liz for taking the next step :)
I think it was great that your friends took part and allowed you to film this. Very brave of them to put themselves in the public arena like this. I am sure it will help other non-vegans to see this from others with a nonvegan perspective. I am vegan (almost 3 years now) but it took me a while to make the transition. I was vegetarian on and off for years. I really wasn't aware of the cruelty associated with dairy/eggs, so I felt not eating meat was enough. In the past my vegetarianism would last a while and I would go back to my old ways. I wasn't 100% committed at that point. I don't think I was 'ready' to fully accept the level of cruelty involved. Thanks to videos such as Gary Yourfsky's, my eyes are now fully open. My mind is set and I cannot go back. I now feel veganism a lifetime commitment, but we have to accept people have to do it in their own way, in their own time. Different approaches work for different people. I know how frustrating it is when others do not see what we vegans see. It is horrible to think of all the lives lost while people take their time to decide. However, I hope vegans can be kind to those that are waking up or have a lot to learn, as a lot of us were there once ourselves.
This is a great video. Definately want updates in a couple of months!
This is so cool! Gary's speach is what made me go vegan. It's pretty awesome to see it working on others as well. Thank you for sharing this! Tell your friend to take it one step at a time and don't put pressure on herself. Find a replacement for each thing one at a time. It gets so much easier as you learn. I wish her good luck!
Gary updated his speech - ua-cam.com/video/_K36Zu0pA4U/v-deo.html (and many of the issues people point out and use as a point of resistance to dismiss all the other facts). I recommend the new one better. Even though for me this was a wake-up call.
I won't lie, it makes me angry hearing non-vegans saying that something is offensive, while financing the animal holocaust, hunger, and global warming. The whole problem starts with human beings thinking we are better than animals and other human beings.
About how they treat animals, I highly recommend watching Cowspiracy, because buying from free range farms is not a solution, and it's not sustainable.
Finally, if I was to show videos to non-vegans my order would be: 1) forks over knives (starting with health issues) - UPDATE -WHAT THE HEALTH INSTEAD -, 2) cowspiracy (how it affects the world and other people), 3) Meat is weak and Earthlings (ua-cam.com/video/Tq9MD9TuH3k/v-deo.html) showing what really happens to animals 4) Gary's updated speech - final push! .
I believe they're offended because they don't like being compared to what they view as "inferior" beings like animals. It's an arrogance/pride thing... also a self esteem problem. And very ignorant and speciesist. Actually I'm offended when THEY're offended.
+Temple of the Animal Souls same here.
But maybe with time they will stop being speciesists.
Do you have a link to Gary's updated speech? Thank you!
People have different beliefs, morals and values... so what one believes is "wrong" is not what everyone believes is "wrong". So what offends one person, doesn't offend everyone. People are different, and at the end of the day they can do what they want and are able to... and whether we think that action done is "wrong" or not is just an *opinion*.
Blueis Acolor We are free to choose, yes, but we are not free from the consequences of our actions.
As long as there is a victim, the action is wrong.
If we were talking about you, for example, if someone came up to you and decided to beat you up just because, would that be ok just because according to him that is fine? Because it is fun? It is not. If that person decided to have blue hair or paint his bathroom pink, now that is fine, he is doing that to and for himself.
If you think that if certain things were done to you you'd go to the police to seek for help, then it is also wrong to do them to someone else.
What a beautiful video. I love how you guys dealt with all the perspectives in such a productive way
I love this project, thank you for posting. Love how these young people are smart and obviously being affected! Lets convert more!
Been a vegan for about a month now. And i love it!
I would love to see more male vegans making You Tube channels and cooking websites. I would also like to see vegans represented better in general with more approachable advocates.
It would also be great if more and more people breaking out of the stereotype of the angry vegan or the hippie vegan.
Sure there are some male vegan bodybuilders that don't fit the angry or hippie stereotype, but in some ways that fits the idea people also have that vegans are health nuts.
We need more 'guy next door' or a good natured man or bloke to represent vegans on social media. It's good to see nice guys like you sharing the message as it makes it about the message and not about the drama of the person delivering the message.
Thank you for sharing this with your friends and asking the questions in such a calm and reasonable manner. I am also impressed with your friend deciding to be a Pescatarian! That's a great step to take and I wish her the best on her new journey.
This was a brilliant idea, and I commend your friends for being open minded, and for sharing their thoughts. They are lucky to have you as a friend, and you are lucky to have them. Well done!
I don't know what video they just watched but I'm impressed at the candidness of their conversation. It held no judgements on each persons current eating habits but offered insight to the realities of the meat produce industry.
Vegans have a bad rep because for the most part they are quickly judgmental of others and are as equally quick to write someone off for not seeing things the way vegans do.
There'd be a lot less animosity if the conversations happened this way.
"is that a stick or a worn?"
"it's a worm.... do you want to save it?"
"no that bird doesn't need to be vegan"
hahahahaha
Myung needs to watch MommyTang!!!! She's Korean, a vegan, and makes mukbang videos. She shows you how to make everything she eats!!!!
I'm a year delayed but this was really great to watch. I love hearing what works and what doesn't so we can be better advocates for animals. I love how open minded everyone was! Thanks for filming the experience.
Awesome video. Thanks so much for putting this out there.
YAY LIZ!!! Keep educating yourself and making vegan decisions!
Went Vegan cold turkey 4.5 months ago. Best decision I ever made. My husband went vegan 2.5 months ago. We are the happiest we've ever been. Great video!!!
Lucky! I really hope I can find a vegan husband :))
I love that you made this video!!!!! Amazing. 🙏✨
I really appreciate your video style--People aren't perfect they transition in their own time. I appreciate your friend's honesty and hope they continue their journey!
This is such an awesome video! I'm proud of friends!
Great work all you of guys! Excellent video
Great vid man! The whole 'how to bring this up with family and friends aspect is one of the hardest. This was a really non-confrontational way to get a conversation going. Subbed!
What a great friends you have, there reactions where really interesting and brought out some points I hadn't thought about. I can really appreciate your open opinion towards it all as well.
Fish aren't vegetables. Their lives don't mean any less than other animals.
Agreed! Sadly, Their inability to scream, or try to "run away" Has folks mistakingly thinking they dont feel or suffer! They have even been proven to show complex social interactions, & have "friends" & help, with compassion, injured/disabled fish. They have brains, they have central nervous systems, they feel & suffer, just as we & other animals do! Sadly, Lacking in vocal cords & being unable to scream, "intelligent" humans think they are not an animal.
Well they do in my eyes the same way a mosquitos life means less than a frog. Sentience and capacity for pain should have some weight on the “worth” or associated cost of a death.
First video of yours I've ever seen, ready to go all in. Love this. Keep spreading the vegan message. :)
I love that you did this with your friends and I love that they had an open and honest conversation with you about it. That's really cool. I agree with you in the sense that I really love feedback because it helps me see into the minds of others to better my approach in the future. What sucks is that it seems as though as vegans and animal activists, we have to present people with the PERFECT argument at all times. and every person's perfect argument is different. It seems like people will latch onto the smallest difference of opinion being presented in our argument and run away with it, when the big picture is being completely missed. I tend to show people all angles of all arguments and say here's everything and hope they find something in there to change their minds. But sometimes I feel like too much information is a turn off as well. Such a delicate and touchy subject and people easily become turned off and defensive. It's very hard to persuade others, and quite frankly, it shouldn't be.
I love this video more than I expected. I didn't have any expectations but really appreciate the no-judgement approach and an open forum to hear honest reactions and opinions. With respect and concern from a singers standpoint, I'd like to mention looking up "vocal fry" for your partner. She speaks with a lot of vocal fry and is so young. Listening to her speak I couldn't help but fast forward 10-20 years and imagine her sounding 80 years old. Speaking with vocal fry really hurts the vocal folds or cords as we know them :)
i think making any steps is amazing, not everyone has to be vegan, but the more people who do decide to become vegetarian, pescetarian, vegan, cutting out red meat, milk, whatever! means there is less demand for those products, and more demand for alternatives even. and the more people who cut things out and label themselves as pets, veg, vegan means others will be becoming aware and seeing other around them changing, and slowly a ripple effect will begin to take place.
This was interesting to watch. I think you should have them watch Earthlings as well--it's the most difficult thing to watch, but the most powerful.
I also think it would've been interesting to include non-vegan guys in the experiment.
From personal experience, I've found that girls usually respond better to the idea of veganism than guys.
Watched this video because it appeared on my recommended, love the topic and your style, subscribed :)
I love Melody's comments!!!!! Loved watching this experiment.
I loved this video it's great! but would like a reaction with men, to see if there's much of a difference of reactions. Of course I do know it is about the person not gender, just curious :)
Flexitarian, means absolutely nothing. You are either Vegetarian, Vegan, or not either.
In my view, you are either Vegan or you are actively participating in the exploitation of nonhumans. Why do you see vegetarianism as any better than flexitarianism?
I thought y'all would like to know that I watched the Gary Yourofsky speech just because of this episode of your show. Thanks!
Nice upload. I hope your Korean friend stayed on the right path because you hit the nail on the head when you spoke about people diving right in and being put of through the rational changes they will face when going staight from meat eater to leaf eater. It is something that evolves the more you learn about veganism. I was pescetarian, then vegetarian and then went the whole way in a matter of three years and have now been vegan for quite sometime and feel great. Watching videos like yours and Gary's really has an impact and just goes to show how little people know about the the process of the things they put in their bodies and the overall impact it has on the world.
Keep it clean and keep it green.
Peace
This is awesome, I love this content you guys are putting out. It's great to actually be able to see people being open to becoming more educated and understanding of veganism. It's something not many other vegan youtubers tend to focus on, especially in such a civil manner :)
I went vegan for a 30-day challenge and then it just stuck! I loved how it made me feel and I noticed my mentality changed too.
That was a great concept and video. Bravo.
i just stumbled on your channel, this, and your approach are amazing.