Nothing says "I'm never going to use this jig again" like starting a campfire as you drill each hole for 5 minutes without extracting the bit a single time.
I thought it was funny how you were using a Festool drill to show off their competition to the domino! Plus it was bizarre seeing you wear shirts other than red. Thanks for sharing this!
This isn't a competitor to the domino. You can't compare a $1000 tool to an $80 jig...people who are getting the jig were never going to get the domino because it's just not practical for them...festool prices out normal woodworkers for the same reason Mac or Snap On prices out normal people from their tools. They want to be seen as the "professionals" choice. Make no mistake, festool has margins the size of the Mariana trench.
I bought this set while I was in the hospital, and thanks to pain meds, I bought 2. Really like this, as I don’t see a Festool Domino in my future. Thanks for showing that there’s always a few different ways to something in woodworking!
A wire brush with brass bristles is a handy way to clear the debris from a drill bit between each hole. Brass is softer than steel so it won't even scratch the bit, but it gets rid of the crud and if the bit is hot to the touch, it saves you from having to touch it to clear it. I keep a small brush with my drill and use it frequently. Works like a charm every time.
Seems like a cool tool. But if I didn't want to buy the dominos it might be a better idea to just drill the first three holes then use dowels cut to length? Might not be as strong, but then again probably strong enough for most applications I imagine?
Not sure if you watched the video all the way through, but there is a router bit for making these dominoes. This was my concern as well as I don't wanna be locked into buying dominoes either.
That was my very first thought. Rockler charges $9 for 3 tenons at 12". I'm guessing you get 4 beadlock blocks each so it's 75¢ per connection. There's your standard razor blade model for ongoing revenue.
Have it. Used it. Love it. Made a bed frame in an hour or so. The most annoying thing about it, it comes in a nice enough case that’s built for the entire kit. I have the 3/8 tenons. But looking at the 1/2 and 1/4 empty spaces I know I’ll get the others just because. I’m a fool.
I just got the Beadlock system a month ago and it has worked great on a desk that I'm building. Great product! Nice job on the video and I enjoyed the Impala video too.
I do a similar thing just using mutiple dowels but the problem has always been getting them all properly aligned. This is a much easier system to use and might actually be within my budget 👍
I’m so glad I came across your channel. As much as I would love to buy a domino I simply can’t justify it. A little more time in the shop is a bonus to me. I will definitely check this method out. Thank you for your video. New subscriber.
I've used this before. The bit that came with it had enough slop in it to throw things out of alignment and, in some cases, not even allow the tenon to go in easily. I used a kreg pocket hole bit and it fits much better in the jig. Also, clamp the ever-living crap out of it so the jig doesn't move on you. Even a small move will be a disaster.
@@AlanStucky Rockler recently acquired the original Beadlock patents. They then redesigned the jig to make it easier to produce, more accurate, and (they claim) more durable. This is another example of someone who had a great idea, but lacked the ability to successfully bring that idea to market.
@@DKWalser I hope so. It’s something that I really wanted to love, but wound up just causing me more problems than it was worth. Might have to buy it again!
Hey, any video staring Wally (or maybe Dangerous Dan, if I'm desperate) is a hit with me. I like the looks of the beadlock system. If you purchase all the 'bells & whistles' of the system, it runs about $300.00, but I really think that most of us can easily get by with the $89.99 kit and add the other stuff as the need arises. BTW: The chevy looks like it's going to be a fun series of videos. I'm looking forward to them.
Awesome. I am definitely either going to buy this, or wait until I get my 3D printer and recreate it. Waaay cheaper way of making mortise and floating tenons than the domino. Thanks a bunch dude.
@@qigong1001 lol. For sure. Wish I had one. The jig may make it easier for long items that may be hard to put in the press vertically for the one side.
I have the prior model, big beefy and metal but really wish it had the clear sight glass, if you are off a little it takes a little working to get the beadlocks to fit.
I guess my question... could you concevably put three dowels in there instead of the tenon? I mean I know it might have more flex, but is it an alternative?
Made 3 two pane storm windows for my house. I did these with hand saw and hand chisels. To slow, nice strong windows but just to much time as I need 6 more. I am going to try this for sure.
Not a fan of this particular system. The domino is an absolutely amazing machine, but no longer costs the $725 it used to (and still should). So my joinery jig of choice is the dowelmax, for $225. It uses reference faces and edges, not lines, which can compound errors. It's incredibly well-built out of solid aluminum with hardened steel drill guides and brass adjustment knobs and screws. Dowels are plenty strong for most woodworking projects. Jessem makes a really nice doweling jig too, for around $200. That one is solid aluminum with hardened steel guides too. Those prices are higher than the beadlock (but not as much once you factor in the accessories and tenons), but they are definitely quicker to set up and use. Finally, I'm not a fan of how rockler cheapened the beadlock by making it out of plastic now. Tl;dr, buy a dowelmax or jessem doweling jig instead. Beadlock is a bust.
@@bitsandatoms8008 Believe me, it has like a 10 minute learning curve. Once you get used to using the checkmarks, it's second nature and very simple to use. A lot of the pieces are for atypical joints; the dowelmax junior is an even simpler dowelmax setup with the main difference being that there's no built in clamp. Check out some videos on it; parillaworks did a great video showcasing it. Art from wordsnwood uses it a fair bit as well. It does seem complex, but it's very intuitive once you start working with it. Once spring rolls around I'll be doing my own video on it. I paid for mine; it wasn't gifted "for review".
@@bitsandatoms8008 All the extra shims/pieces are for centering on various thicknesses of the wood. For a typical project you use formula from the manual to pick shims and don't need to change those during you workflow. You could also choose to not center and use fixed offset as well - that is what domino does. But for max strength it is good to center if you will have single row of dowels.
Rockler has been trying to make that beadlock system happen for about 20 years now and I don’t know a single person that uses it. Why would you when you can dowel it just as fast, or pocket hole even faster, or if you’ve got the setup mortise and tenon almost as fast? That thing is a solution looking for a problem. And obviously if you’ve got a domino why would you even think about anything else.
I bought General tools dowel jig, than Beadlock and finally Dowelmax. First two are not accurate and require sanding and planing after glue up. They also can't do 45°edge miters. Save your money and get Dowelmax (or maybe Jessem as someone suggested below although I don't have personal experience with it and I don't believe it does 45s). Hope that this info saves folks some frustration and money.
I love my bead lock tool. I have all three sizes already and there is something else you can do with it even though you didn’t discuss it instead of using the bead lock floating tenons you can use it to make dowel holes. The half inch will give you two dowel holes, the threeeights will give you three and the 1/4 inch will give you four. You can also use it on mitered corners just remember to stagger your whole debts so you don’t drill out the other side and then cut the two sides of your floating tenant at 45° or whatever would best match your angle. Also you can do it as dowels and just use different lengths.
David, Wally may have fleas or an allergic reaction. He was scratching and biting for a while. It's that time of year. Shampoo with tea tree oil would help greatly if he has fleas. One with oatmeal if it is being caused by an allergy. Please let me know how he's doing. You obviously take great care of him- his hair is pure silk. 😂
I have part of the old version of the system, but of course Rockler didn't tell me they were discontinuing it, so I can't get the other sizes of drill guides, those punks.
I know this is an old video. But I have a question if someone happens to see this comment section. Instead of buying dowel jigs, why not buy a palm router (which probably costs the same as one of these jigs or a good drill) which is great at mortising, and just use the good old mortise and tenon joinery?
I get the need for this tool. It's way cheaper than the Domino. However, the way you struggled to drill those holes left room for potential errors. My opinion. Save up and buy a Domino if you need this type of tool. You will love it!
Thank you very much sir for your informative video. I have a question All your drilling procedures were done in the edge face of the board. Can you also use this jig to drill into the face of a board? Thank you for your attention
Watching your jointing videos, Dowelmax and Rockler. Comment would be; What is the relative holding strength of glue Vs dowels or tenons in a joint? I am thinking in terms of dowels for joint alignment however glue to hold the joint. I tested several joints and found the glue line to be stronger than the side grain wood. Dowelmax = brilliant. Further considerations would be end grain joints, thin section with large frames, etc. Thank you for showing the Dowelmax.
Seems like a starter kit designed for Rockler to sell you more stuff. seems like a strong joint, but I wonder about the points between the round holes causing stress risers and giving a line for it to split when put into end grain.
Hi Make Something I would be very grateful if you could make a video that uses the Rockler Router bit to create own tenons. This would allow one to use same wood type as the project. Enjoyed the video....thanks a span:-)
If you're off your mark a little bit (say like 1/16"), how tricky is it to adjust? I thought the good thing about loose-tenon joinery was that it floated a bit to give you adjustability, doesn't seem like this would.
Yeah he kept saying floating tenant but it’s really not I don’t think. I think it’s much closer to a dowel nothing wrong with dowels. They’re fantastic unless you want to loose Tennon or floating. Oh that said it’s probably slightly stronger than dowels but yeah I’d have to run the surface calculations to really know.
It's only a feature of the Domino itself. It has a loose setting and a tight setting. It's not a feature of floating tenons itself. This tool probably doesn't have a loose setting like that
Be very, very careful with this system. Experienced woodworker here and this thing can be a real disaster. You must clamp the poop out of it otherwise the jig WILL move on you and the mortise is gone. Sandpaper is a great idea as an add on to the jig faces. Far too many issues with this jig do me. Does work well to drill out two or three dowel holes without making any adjustments for the headlock tenon. Also does a good job with the width adjusters for inset doweling. Gotta pay extra for those as well however. Just saying, this system is NOT a total no brainer, be very careful with your expectations. Great channel, best woodworking to all. Thank you and God Bless.
Yep. In my comment above I mentioned the dowelmax and jessem doweling jigs. They're a far better alternative IMHO. Those actually are pretty much no-brainer jigs to use, with the dowelmax being the simplest to use.
Yes I got this a few weeks ago and tried it on white oak. It didn't go well. Sure you can drill a half hole into pine no problem. Hardwoods want to make the jig walk rather than cut the web between the first holes.
So the Domino at 10 times the price and 20 times the speed, or this Rockler thing if you're in no hurry and rather buy some beer with your money. I see costumers for both.
One thing to note is that the Rockler beadlock tenons cost ~ $0.45 USD and the Festool Domino tenons cost only ~ $0.05. So after only 2,000 tenons the Festool pays for itself! LOL.
You can buy a chisel, a tenon saw, a marking gauge and a combination square for less than what this jig and a couple dozen of those tenons cost. No drilling noise and much more fun.
Really fantastic little jig, Dave! 😃 I would love to find it here in Brazil, but... I don't have that luck. 😕 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
For the price of that domino. I bought a used tablesaw, a compressor on sale, a biscuit joiner, brad nailer, a used 23 gauge pinner, a used spindle/belt sander and a dado stack. Wonder where the money was better spent?
I agree on that. But I also thought about it - $1000 for a piece of *production equipment* in a professional shop is totally worth it and really a small price to pay (for someone making thousands or tens of thousands per project). I think the only reason we think of it as overpriced and possibly not worth it is BECAUSE we see UA-camrs use it so often - particularly UA-camrs who are technically content creators and not professional woodworkers (i.e. batching out and selling products). That said, if I were a professional, it's a no-brainer to get one considering its production efficiency.
This is all well and fine. However, I believe you can just do a mortise and tenon joint in the same amount of time, or less. To each their own, I guess.
That's a cool technique, thanks for showing us! I also like how you made an actual useful project too, that really showed off the potential. I also noticed that your shots seem more static - is that a stylistic choice or are you still having to film by yourself? (I am not up to date on any other social media platforms, so excuse me if I have missed some update...)
This is a great system if you want to be stuck with a slow ponderous and one dimensional method, which if you buy the tenon stock comes with a high running cost. I am bored with people touting things as an alternative to the Domino and David yoou should know better. The Domino is an amazing bit of kit which will do many many many things this will not, and if you cant afford one accept that you are going to work alot slower and possibly less accurately. I am long retired and when i closed down my shop the 1st thing i put in my car was my 2006 Domino all original never repaired that had made 10's of 1000's of mortices. Personally i'd go for a decent dowelling jig over this creation, which I know has been around a long time but really is an overly complicated piece of junk. Dowels are quicker more flexible in their use and way cheaper and id say as strong in alot of situations as a Domino. Sorry I forgot, no dust extraction. Kreg and their pocket hole do-dad cottoned on pretty quick that drilling alot of holes makes an unholy mess. I'll close by offering this warning say you make a simple cabinet with three tenons per side your four sided box just required you to drill 120 holes, not to mention as you need to clamp the workpiece so you can clamp on the jig some pretty fancy work holding devices and about $5 in tenons. Do you really expect to have to put everything in a vice that you want to joint? If you cant afford a Domino then get a good dowelling jig and a fixture to make mortices with a router.
these are pretty cool, but i dont see how this would be any better than just using a normal dowel jig. it works fine, but it seems like more effort than normal dowels.
Stronger than dowels but in many cases strength is overrated. I find dowel joinery can be very frustrating during glue ups because you have so many things to line up at once. But yes, dowel joinery would work in most cases.
Love your video, I got a question for ya. I’m making a shelf for the laundry room above the washer and dryer. It’s going to be 30” over the top loading washer then down 10” and then 30” over the dryer. This will be made from ¾” Oak. This will be around 8-9” deep. I want miter cuts so the “flow” of the grain will be uninterrupted. Could I use this beadlock pro jig or should I use the corner key doweling jig? Or is there anything else that would make a strong joint at the miter cuts. I’m somewhat new and it seems like every project I’m learning something new. Thanks for your videos, they’re teaching me quite a lot. Thanks, Pat
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Nothing says "I'm never going to use this jig again" like starting a campfire as you drill each hole for 5 minutes without extracting the bit a single time.
😂😂😂 so true! Thought exactly the same 😁
5 minutes? You mean 5 seconds?
I thought it was funny how you were using a Festool drill to show off their competition to the domino! Plus it was bizarre seeing you wear shirts other than red. Thanks for sharing this!
This isn't a competitor to the domino. You can't compare a $1000 tool to an $80 jig...people who are getting the jig were never going to get the domino because it's just not practical for them...festool prices out normal woodworkers for the same reason Mac or Snap On prices out normal people from their tools. They want to be seen as the "professionals" choice. Make no mistake, festool has margins the size of the Mariana trench.
I bought this set while I was in the hospital, and thanks to pain meds, I bought 2.
Really like this, as I don’t see a Festool Domino in my future.
Thanks for showing that there’s always a few different ways to something in woodworking!
Yeah I just discovered this tool. I was interested in the Fest-tool, but felt the Fest-tool was out of reach for my budget & experience
A wire brush with brass bristles is a handy way to clear the debris from a drill bit between each hole. Brass is softer than steel so it won't even scratch the bit, but it gets rid of the crud and if the bit is hot to the touch, it saves you from having to touch it to clear it. I keep a small brush with my drill and use it frequently. Works like a charm every time.
Cheers for this little gem of knowledge friend
I feel like we're getting into "cut an actual mortise and tenon by hand" territory, time-wise, with this product.
This looks way easier.
So true! 😅😅😅
Time consuming
The skill level required for this is much lower
I think 3x3 Custom’s router tenon jig may be easier to use and faster, what do you think?
I thought dowels were slow and tedious! But wait, lets add 4 more holes cuz that makes the process 4 times more enjoyable😁
And 4 times slower
Seems like a cool tool. But if I didn't want to buy the dominos it might be a better idea to just drill the first three holes then use dowels cut to length? Might not be as strong, but then again probably strong enough for most applications I imagine?
Not sure if you watched the video all the way through, but there is a router bit for making these dominoes. This was my concern as well as I don't wanna be locked into buying dominoes either.
@@TravisBrown42 I saw that, but making the dominoes seems like it would take more time than cutting some dowels 😁
@@FRAGAFE I'm guessing you buy your dowels rather than making them. If so, then yeah, easier.
That was my very first thought. Rockler charges $9 for 3 tenons at 12". I'm guessing you get 4 beadlock blocks each so it's 75¢ per connection. There's your standard razor blade model for ongoing revenue.
It’s just a gimmick to buy there stuff. I love using Dowel I like sometimes expose them on purpose about eighth of an inch.
Used this system for my first "real" woodworking project 12 years ago. Funny enough, it was for a combo dog crate end-table for our dachshund!
Crazy!
I love your style and how you talk to the beginner woodworker!!!
Clear the drill flutes regularly, the drill struggled on the second hole, and even wobbled on the third ;)
Used Beadlock on one project, which made me realize I really did want a Domino.
Have it. Used it. Love it. Made a bed frame in an hour or so. The most annoying thing about it, it comes in a nice enough case that’s built for the entire kit. I have the 3/8 tenons. But looking at the 1/2 and 1/4 empty spaces I know I’ll get the others just because. I’m a fool.
I get tired using pocket holes when I do sparingly use them, imagine setting this up twice for for 5 holes, and that's just for one joint. No thanks.
I just got the Beadlock system a month ago and it has worked great on a desk that I'm building. Great product! Nice job on the video and I enjoyed the Impala video too.
Imagine a DeWalt or ridgid version of the domino when their patent expires 🤣😅
It's kinda true... Although Dewalt makes a track saw and Festool's is way better.
@@howler5000 Sure but it would be nice to have a 'good enough' option for people who don't have fat festool buxx
When does the patent expire?
@@KIDxCUDIxFORxLIFE not before 2024.
I do a similar thing just using mutiple dowels but the problem has always been getting them all properly aligned. This is a much easier system to use and might actually be within my budget 👍
I’m so glad I came across your channel. As much as I would love to buy a domino I simply can’t justify it. A little more time in the shop is a bonus to me. I will definitely check this method out. Thank you for your video. New subscriber.
I've used this before. The bit that came with it had enough slop in it to throw things out of alignment and, in some cases, not even allow the tenon to go in easily. I used a kreg pocket hole bit and it fits much better in the jig. Also, clamp the ever-living crap out of it so the jig doesn't move on you. Even a small move will be a disaster.
Also, it does look like they've redesigned it slightly since I bought mine a couple years ago. Hopefully the issues I had have been addressed
@@AlanStucky Rockler recently acquired the original Beadlock patents. They then redesigned the jig to make it easier to produce, more accurate, and (they claim) more durable. This is another example of someone who had a great idea, but lacked the ability to successfully bring that idea to market.
@@DKWalser I hope so. It’s something that I really wanted to love, but wound up just causing me more problems than it was worth. Might have to buy it again!
Hey, any video staring Wally (or maybe Dangerous Dan, if I'm desperate) is a hit with me.
I like the looks of the beadlock system. If you purchase all the 'bells & whistles' of the system, it runs about $300.00, but I really think that most of us can easily get by with the $89.99 kit and add the other stuff as the need arises.
BTW: The chevy looks like it's going to be a fun series of videos. I'm looking forward to them.
Awesome. I am definitely either going to buy this, or wait until I get my 3D printer and recreate it. Waaay cheaper way of making mortise and floating tenons than the domino. Thanks a bunch dude.
Wow…I was thinking the same thing. Then I thought why not just use the drill press.
@@qigong1001 lol. For sure. Wish I had one. The jig may make it easier for long items that may be hard to put in the press vertically for the one side.
What's the advantage over Dowel joinery?
I have the prior model, big beefy and metal but really wish it had the clear sight glass, if you are off a little it takes a little working to get the beadlocks to fit.
Same I prefer the old one because it's beefier but the site line is a nice touch on the new one.
I guess my question... could you concevably put three dowels in there instead of the tenon? I mean I know it might have more flex, but is it an alternative?
@@martinoamello3017 thank you!! I have a lot of Milwaukee tools, but I love solid equipment. 🎶 Going shopping! 🎶
It's like an awkward 80% lower jig. You could actually use one of those kits to leverage the end mill adapter on a trim router and make your own jigs.
They upgraded this since I purchased it! I use mine for some drawer fronts, lining up table top boards
love my Domino Jointer.
Good video, GREAT DOG!
Made 3 two pane storm windows for my house. I did these with hand saw and hand chisels. To slow, nice strong windows but just to much time as I need 6 more. I am going to try this for sure.
Not a fan of this particular system. The domino is an absolutely amazing machine, but no longer costs the $725 it used to (and still should).
So my joinery jig of choice is the dowelmax, for $225. It uses reference faces and edges, not lines, which can compound errors. It's incredibly well-built out of solid aluminum with hardened steel drill guides and brass adjustment knobs and screws. Dowels are plenty strong for most woodworking projects. Jessem makes a really nice doweling jig too, for around $200. That one is solid aluminum with hardened steel guides too. Those prices are higher than the beadlock (but not as much once you factor in the accessories and tenons), but they are definitely quicker to set up and use. Finally, I'm not a fan of how rockler cheapened the beadlock by making it out of plastic now.
Tl;dr, buy a dowelmax or jessem doweling jig instead. Beadlock is a bust.
You are spot on. I have both Dowelmax and Beadlock (and General Tool dowel jig). Dowelmax is superior to all of those.
I just looked up the Dowelmax, but it looks so overly confusing to use and there are a lot of pieces to keep track of.
@@bitsandatoms8008 Believe me, it has like a 10 minute learning curve. Once you get used to using the checkmarks, it's second nature and very simple to use. A lot of the pieces are for atypical joints; the dowelmax junior is an even simpler dowelmax setup with the main difference being that there's no built in clamp. Check out some videos on it; parillaworks did a great video showcasing it. Art from wordsnwood uses it a fair bit as well. It does seem complex, but it's very intuitive once you start working with it. Once spring rolls around I'll be doing my own video on it. I paid for mine; it wasn't gifted "for review".
@@bitsandatoms8008 All the extra shims/pieces are for centering on various thicknesses of the wood. For a typical project you use formula from the manual to pick shims and don't need to change those during you workflow. You could also choose to not center and use fixed offset as well - that is what domino does. But for max strength it is good to center if you will have single row of dowels.
Rockler has been trying to make that beadlock system happen for about 20 years now and I don’t know a single person that uses it. Why would you when you can dowel it just as fast, or pocket hole even faster, or if you’ve got the setup mortise and tenon almost as fast? That thing is a solution looking for a problem. And obviously if you’ve got a domino why would you even think about anything else.
I just realised: Holy crap! There's DLC on tools now. Next we'll be buying half-populated drill index with "add-ons" for half of the letters
I bought General tools dowel jig, than Beadlock and finally Dowelmax. First two are not accurate and require sanding and planing after glue up. They also can't do 45°edge miters. Save your money and get Dowelmax (or maybe Jessem as someone suggested below although I don't have personal experience with it and I don't believe it does 45s). Hope that this info saves folks some frustration and money.
I’d love to see this vs biscuit vs Domino vs just a simple dowel joint
Dowels with a doweling jig seems both easier and just as good
I love my bead lock tool. I have all three sizes already and there is something else you can do with it even though you didn’t discuss it instead of using the bead lock floating tenons you can use it to make dowel holes. The half inch will give you two dowel holes, the threeeights will give you three and the 1/4 inch will give you four. You can also use it on mitered corners just remember to stagger your whole debts so you don’t drill out the other side and then cut the two sides of your floating tenant at 45° or whatever would best match your angle. Also you can do it as dowels and just use different lengths.
Hell yeah brother….. Woodworking and cars. My 2 most favoritest hobbies.
Shot every time he says Festool Domino!
David, Wally may have fleas or an allergic reaction. He was scratching and biting for a while. It's that time of year. Shampoo with tea tree oil would help greatly if he has fleas. One with oatmeal if it is being caused by an allergy. Please let me know how he's doing. You obviously take great care of him- his hair is pure silk. 😂
Time to update my Christmas wish list
Thanks
That router bit only comes in 3/8 size. You’re reliant upon Rockler for 1/4 and 1/2 inch tenon stock.
Super useful demo. Thanks for sharing!
Wally looks just like my boy who passed last year . Good boi
Our older doxie passed away last week. It’s been a tough time over here.
@@MakeSomething I am sorry. 😢 I know how that feels. Surprised you are even poating right now. How is Wally taking it?
@@MakeSomething My condolences.
Can't wait to see the car. I had a '76. It was a beast but that '67 looks way cooler.
I have part of the old version of the system, but of course Rockler didn't tell me they were discontinuing it, so I can't get the other sizes of drill guides, those punks.
Check out the grizzly duo spindle dowel joiner.
I love your dog bed/ sofa looking furniture. Say hi to Wally!
I know this is an old video. But I have a question if someone happens to see this comment section. Instead of buying dowel jigs, why not buy a palm router (which probably costs the same as one of these jigs or a good drill) which is great at mortising, and just use the good old mortise and tenon joinery?
Very nice job. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. God bless.
I get the need for this tool. It's way cheaper than the Domino. However, the way you struggled to drill those holes left room for potential errors. My opinion. Save up and buy a Domino if you need this type of tool. You will love it!
Thank you very much sir for your informative video. I have a question All your drilling procedures were done in the edge face of the board. Can you also use this jig to drill into the face of a board?
Thank you for your attention
The jig looks like a well thought out piece of kit. Thank you for the overview of it in action. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺
Watching your jointing videos, Dowelmax and Rockler. Comment would be; What is the relative holding strength of glue Vs dowels or tenons in a joint? I am thinking in terms of dowels for joint alignment however glue to hold the joint. I tested several joints and found the glue line to be stronger than the side grain wood. Dowelmax = brilliant. Further considerations would be end grain joints, thin section with large frames, etc. Thank you for showing the Dowelmax.
Thanks for showing a cool tool and method, appreciate seeing other unique ways of regular techniques.
Seems like a starter kit designed for Rockler to sell you more stuff.
seems like a strong joint, but I wonder about the points between the round holes causing stress risers and giving a line for it to split when put into end grain.
I watched the jig move when you moved it to position B on the end of the board. I can’t tell if that’s why I’m having it misalign or not
Hi Make Something
I would be very grateful if you could make a video that uses the Rockler Router bit to create own tenons. This would allow one to use same wood type as the project.
Enjoyed the video....thanks a span:-)
A very underated tool. It's a pity they dropped the aluminium version which had its own clamp. Also, a metric version would be good for us Europeans.🤩
If you're off your mark a little bit (say like 1/16"), how tricky is it to adjust? I thought the good thing about loose-tenon joinery was that it floated a bit to give you adjustability, doesn't seem like this would.
Yeah he kept saying floating tenant but it’s really not I don’t think. I think it’s much closer to a dowel nothing wrong with dowels. They’re fantastic unless you want to loose Tennon or floating. Oh that said it’s probably slightly stronger than dowels but yeah I’d have to run the surface calculations to really know.
@@ar15tac floating tenon just means the tenon isn't integral to one of the pieces of wood
It's only a feature of the Domino itself. It has a loose setting and a tight setting.
It's not a feature of floating tenons itself. This tool probably doesn't have a loose setting like that
@@nkuete oh thank you
I have this jig and three is no adjustment. It is also not very accurate so you have to assume sanding and cutting after glue up.
Thanks so much for sharing your tips and tricks and videos, very helpful
The Rockler floating tenons will cost the other Kidney which Festool spared.
How is this better than using regular dowel joints?
Be very, very careful with this system. Experienced woodworker here and this thing can be a real disaster. You must clamp the poop out of it otherwise the jig WILL move on you and the mortise is gone. Sandpaper is a great idea as an add on to the jig faces. Far too many issues with this jig do me. Does work well to drill out two or three dowel holes without making any adjustments for the headlock tenon. Also does a good job with the width adjusters for inset doweling. Gotta pay extra for those as well however. Just saying, this system is NOT a total no brainer, be very careful with your expectations. Great channel, best woodworking to all. Thank you and God Bless.
Please excuse the typos above, moving and typing is like the jig for me, iffy for sure. Thanks once again for all of your great content!
Yep. In my comment above I mentioned the dowelmax and jessem doweling jigs. They're a far better alternative IMHO. Those actually are pretty much no-brainer jigs to use, with the dowelmax being the simplest to use.
Yes I got this a few weeks ago and tried it on white oak. It didn't go well. Sure you can drill a half hole into pine no problem. Hardwoods want to make the jig walk rather than cut the web between the first holes.
So the Domino at 10 times the price and 20 times the speed, or this Rockler thing if you're in no hurry and rather buy some beer with your money. I see costumers for both.
I’m the Rockler+Beer guy…
Seems like alot of work. Why not just use 3 dowels with glue
One thing to note is that the Rockler beadlock tenons cost ~ $0.45 USD and the Festool Domino tenons cost only ~ $0.05. So after only 2,000 tenons the Festool pays for itself! LOL.
And you work with Domino at least 20 times faster and more accurate.
Holy moly
I will be making a trip to Rockler tomorrow!
Can you just drill the first three holes and use dowels? Seems as it would be quicker and just about as strong.
I suppose you could but In my experience using dowel joinery is very frustrating during glue-ups.
Seems to me those first three holes overlap. Dowels would go in the outside holes but tough to get that center dowel in.
Second channel name suggestion: 'Make Something Else!'.
You can buy a chisel, a tenon saw, a marking gauge and a combination square for less than what this jig and a couple dozen of those tenons cost. No drilling noise and much more fun.
I prefer the Beadlock pro
Now that you've recently reviewed the Dowelmax jig, which do you feel is a better option?
Have you made your drum line/ background music a ringtone? You should!
Great video. Awesome alternative to Domino. Mahalo for sharing! 🙂🐒
Love me some really strong joints.
Why not use a dowel jig? Or use this Rockler system to only drill the 3 holes on A and add straight dowels?
Really fantastic little jig, Dave! 😃
I would love to find it here in Brazil, but... I don't have that luck. 😕
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
For the extra cost and trouble in making this sort of joint I rather use a cheaper and stronger normal tenon and mortis
Love your pooch Brother!
I love this channel!!
Awesome review! Awesome tool! Great job
Great overview - miss seeing you man!
Thanks Dan! Hopefully soon!
For the price of that domino. I bought a used tablesaw, a compressor on sale, a biscuit joiner, brad nailer, a used 23 gauge pinner, a used spindle/belt sander and a dado stack. Wonder where the money was better spent?
I agree on that. But I also thought about it - $1000 for a piece of *production equipment* in a professional shop is totally worth it and really a small price to pay (for someone making thousands or tens of thousands per project). I think the only reason we think of it as overpriced and possibly not worth it is BECAUSE we see UA-camrs use it so often - particularly UA-camrs who are technically content creators and not professional woodworkers (i.e. batching out and selling products).
That said, if I were a professional, it's a no-brainer to get one considering its production efficiency.
Depends on whether you do woodworking for a living or as a hobby. For a living speed is essential or all your time gets spent being broke.
And now it starts... never know when 'ol Tony Festool will walk up behind you. 🥺
This is all well and fine. However, I believe you can just do a mortise and tenon joint in the same amount of time, or less. To each their own, I guess.
That’s one big case.
Very interesting! Do you find it to be better or stronger than dowel joints? It seems like a similar amount of glue surface.
So you have to drill 40 holes to make one frame?
That's a cool technique, thanks for showing us! I also like how you made an actual useful project too, that really showed off the potential.
I also noticed that your shots seem more static - is that a stylistic choice or are you still having to film by yourself? (I am not up to date on any other social media platforms, so excuse me if I have missed some update...)
what is the smallest piece of wood you can use this on,,
This is a great system if you want to be stuck with a slow ponderous and one dimensional method, which if you buy the tenon stock comes with a high running cost.
I am bored with people touting things as an alternative to the Domino and David yoou should know better.
The Domino is an amazing bit of kit which will do many many many things this will not, and if you cant afford one accept that you are going to work alot slower and possibly less accurately. I am long retired and when i closed down my shop the 1st thing i put in my car was my 2006 Domino all original never repaired that had made 10's of 1000's of mortices. Personally i'd go for a decent dowelling jig over this creation, which I know has been around a long time but really is an overly complicated piece of junk. Dowels are quicker more flexible in their use and way cheaper and id say as strong in alot of situations as a Domino.
Sorry I forgot, no dust extraction. Kreg and their pocket hole do-dad cottoned on pretty quick that drilling alot of holes makes an unholy mess.
I'll close by offering this warning say you make a simple cabinet with three tenons per side your four sided box just required you to drill 120 holes, not to mention as you need to clamp the workpiece so you can clamp on the jig some pretty fancy work holding devices and about $5 in tenons. Do you really expect to have to put everything in a vice that you want to joint?
If you cant afford a Domino then get a good dowelling jig and a fixture to make mortices with a router.
Great vid & explanation. thks
Like it.
Use a corded drill if you are drilling a lot of holes. What was with the black screen.
these are pretty cool, but i dont see how this would be any better than just using a normal dowel jig. it works fine, but it seems like more effort than normal dowels.
Stronger than dowels but in many cases strength is overrated. I find dowel joinery can be very frustrating during glue ups because you have so many things to line up at once. But yes, dowel joinery would work in most cases.
Nice. Looks like dry fitting is a little more complicated.
Love your video, I got a question for ya. I’m making a shelf for the laundry room above the washer and dryer. It’s going to be 30” over the top loading washer then down 10” and then 30” over the dryer. This will be made from ¾” Oak. This will be around 8-9” deep. I want miter cuts so the “flow” of the grain will be uninterrupted. Could I use this beadlock pro jig or should I use the corner key doweling jig? Or is there anything else that would make a strong joint at the miter cuts. I’m somewhat new and it seems like every project I’m learning something new. Thanks for your videos, they’re teaching me quite a lot.
Thanks, Pat
Does the jig work on 2x4?
How would this method compare to using a dowels/doweling jig instead?