F-16 Vs F-35 DCS Dog Fight Reaction
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2023
- Fighter pilot reacts to F-16 vs F-35 in Digital combat simulator. Fighter jet dogfight reactions from a fighter pilot. This is a reaction to Growling sidewinder.
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Hello Friends! Hope you enjoy the video! It's a reaction to a Growling Sidewinder video that you can find here: ua-cam.com/video/ew8rNTlm_Io/v-deo.html
I thought I recognized that voice. Although I’m certain my comment had nothing to do with this happening, I have been asking in growling sidewinder’s comment section to please do more videos with actual fighter pilots. So I’m happy. Been subscribed to both of your channels.
You’re literally one of the coolest dudes ever, bruddah. Miss you 🤙🏼
Under the Panther name you mean, this? "Sixty percent of the time, it works every time."
BTW The Blink callsign is cool :D I was laughing like hell :D
please make a series of reacting to growling sidewinder videos. he has so many cool scenarios I'd love to hear your opinions on
I love all of your content. What I really want to see is it reversed though. Growling Sidewinder in my opinion from what I can see is top dog. If he loses its in a fight that the plane is simply outmatched. I want to see him fly the panther over and over and over like he does the 16, and 22 etc. and then see what he can do.
Love the video man, thanks for reviewing the fight, had a good laugh at the callsign portion, and I hear you with the follow up options, and denying that to the bandit, something I will be trying to work on in the future as per your advice. Thanks again man and nice to see your channel growing.
Blink!!! Nice to see ya.
@@prodigalbrock Heh yeah I remember one of the guys on the Nimitz saying "Call signs. Call signs are the anti-Christ, your guys are gonna take the STUPIDEST thing you ever did and make it a permanent part of your life from here on out."
Ryan seems to agree lol
Hey look it's Blink! You know this will stick, right? :D
Sup G.S.
Sounds like a good series- Neo vs Blink. ;) Dogfights, BVR, AWAC defense. Make it happen!
I mean, it has to be "Blink". Congratulations Growling "Blink" Sidewinder!
Right?! It works doesn't it??
@@MaxAfterburnerusa somebody needs to let him know
Imma go do that next
I'd say blink or bat. Cuz you know blind as a bat, bats fly, and in some extent they can be stealthy since they are black and fly at night and hide in dark caves so you never really see them but do hear them
Growling Sidewinder is a DCS beast. Completely humble and laid back, always teaching and walking the viewers through his thoughts. When he gets shot down. He owns it and is the first person to give props to the other pilot and critique himself in what he did wrong. He's played against real fighter pilots and he's the first to admit their level of aggression in on another level than his.
Watch his two idiots fly helicopters one if you want to see humble. It's literally just him and one of the others screwing around. It's funny
Very agreed. He's human of course (I think....), but it's such a pleasure to watch him at work. He's always very giving, free with advice and as you said owns his mistakes. LOL The F-22 sneaking up behind him into his left rearview is still one of my favourite moments. Top notch guy who really seems like he just wants everyone to learn, have fun, and grow.
Even those discounts he's tried to get for folk in DCS recently... very kind. As are you, Sword Monkey, and you have the most awesome name ever!
I hope he reacts to more GWS videos
Guys, when you watch the GS vids please keep in mind that they are doing it mostly for entertaining people rather than educating purpose... I understand that they're sounds like they are teaching you something but learning the BFM from GS is like trying to learn self-protection technique from WWE I mean they are acting to create contents for UA-cam and not telling the bitter truth about the fight. They put an easy kill into a stalemate or dragging the the fight for that purpose and the worst thing is most of the people are getting along with them... If you REALLY want to learn how to do dogfighting then GS vids is not a good reference for you or any beginners unless you didn't really care much and just watch it for fun then that's alright.
@@EvMstein Amen
I believe in this specific dogfight, you can only use missiles if:
A) Opponent is trying to extend
B) You already landed a gunshot on the opponent
He has other fights that are BVR and others that involve missiles, so I definitely would love to see a Fox-2 fight between the F-16 and F-35
Would have been more interesting if this reaction was knowledgeable of the premise of the fight. The aircraft aren't the same as the real-life ones and the ROE was guns-only.
Which is why 1/2 of these dog fights are so far fetched. They don’t shoot at each other in the merge either (that’s a free shot you would never pass up in combat)
@@reboundrides8132 Definitely, though another rule is to not shoot in the head-on for these “gun”-only rounds or Fox-2 fights. They want to dogfight and see what each aircraft and Pilot can do, rather than just shoot in the head on and get nothing out of it; you don’t learn anything from a head-on gunshot.
Of course, the chance to get to the merge is incredibly small these days, given the technology we have packed into our Fox-3’s, such as the Meteor missile or even the R77 and AMRAAM.
@@bubblesofthecoast6393 I understand why they do it on UA-cam for content but it immediately makes the situation not plausible in a real dogfight.
@@reboundrides8132 GS uses this sort of scenario as an exercise of close in dogfights and to keep it entertaining for the viewers. GS has always acknowledged the limitations he places on these sorts of duels aren't realistic, but more of a personal challenge because watching constant 50+ mile BVR fights, while more realistic, would get boring for the casual viewer after a while. GS does missile duels and BVR fights, but doesn't allow initial shots during the merge outside of BVR engagements.
'Blink' does dogfights in DCS where the rules are that you can't use weapons until you've merged, and can't use missiles until A) the opponent tries to extend or B) you've landed a gun hit. This keeps the dogfights more interesting, instead of going mostly to who has the more advanced missiles and sensors.
Exactly
true, but then its entirely unrealistic to what will happen in war
Well he's now called Blink forever
Even when some planes are designed around missiles? Like the f-14?
Very unrealistic . This is not a sports game . Only one winner . Looser gets the both the Ignoble prize and Darwin award
7:40 a fighter instructor I knew in the late 70's told me that dogfighting is more like playing Pool, as every shot you take should set you up for the next shot while never giving the opponent a chance to shoot
FYI: Growling Sidewinder and his friendly opponents usually have a gentleman's agreement during BFM not to make head on shots AND to only use guns until the opposing aircraft is struck, after which a follow-on shot with a sidewinder to finish the aircraft after pilot ejection.
That's been a community thing in DCS since forever, even before in the Lock on series.
We need Ryan reacting to the GS/Longshot 2 Morons series stat.
I'll check it out!
2 morons is great comedy. 2 morons with Ryan as the pilot of something might be even better?
@@MaxAfterburnerusa what makes it so amusing is how GS and Longshot are elite virtual aviators on their own, but you put them together in the same aircraft and it's an absolute shit show, filled with hilarity.
Though it involves choppers and wouldn't make sense for you to cover here, "2 Morons join the Coast Guard" or something similar is one of my favorites, but they're all great.
Hey Ryan. I love hearing your thoughts on these things. Learning from someone with real world experience is priceless. I love this channel and all that you do. Keep on rockin Brother.
I'm so happy you decided to review these GS videos, keep 'em coming!
It seems there was a huge skill deficiency in the F-35s pilot vs "Blink".
F-35 was always too fast and not using it's low speed abilities .
Not sure the F-35 in DCS is accurate when it comes to that fighter's true capabilities.
@@artiefakt4402 It is not, because it's a mod. There is no playable F-35 in vanilla DCS.
@@artiefakt4402yeah it's not. The maneuverability and the RCS is way off on the F-35 in DCS.
It's pilots will tell you the same. It actually has a winning record against the F-16 and the Bug
@@ObiWanShinobi917 its*
I met a Navy Tomcat Pilot, who now flies Super Hornets his call sight is IPOD for I Punch Out On Deck
Keep in mind the f-35 is a mod in dcs and isn’t a real flight model. It’s capabilities in this sim are pretty abysmal and most likely don’t represent anywhere near what the actual f-35 could achieve.
Love your energy and input!
More please!
GS and LS are great teachers (and hilarious as a team--My favorite, when GS is piloting a gunship, with LS as his gunner, and LS says 'Do something useful)'. I didn't expect you to add much. I was wrong. Icing on a very good cake. Thanks Max.
This, channel, is by far the best reaction video for any DCS dog fight in UA-cam, very education, yet very welcoming. I very much love it!
I enjoy your commentary very much, especially your emphasize on taking high aspect shots. I would have done that if it was me. Did those all the time back in WWII sims back then.
Ohhh yea! this is absolutely brilliant! I really enjoy this very much.
How cool to get a real callsign from Ryan. Blink is a good one ;)
Yes! I totally subscribed! So happy you both interact. Looking forward to yall teaming up!
HA HA GROWLING BLINK SIDEWINDER!!! HA HA HA GS!!! GS and Shotgun do Gun fight only and fox 2 after damage to finish kill. NO Head on shots. this is what we are seeing Ryan.
Right?! It's kinda catchy
I love these reactions. Thanks for the video!
Thumbs up my man, loving the content from a real fighter pilots perspective
"Follow on dogfighting" is a great turn of phrase. Makes me think of connections to the importance of good follow-through when fighting with melee weapons (swords, spears, etc). You can make that big flashy holywood cut and thrust, but if it doesn't connect, it leaves you open for the other guy to finish the fight with a lazy stab. Just like that overshooting snapshot. If he'd missed, he'd have been floating out in front of the F-35 with no energy and no options.
I would love to see one of your contacts take SW for a real ride and maybe some classroom training too.
Would definitely like to see expansion (from you) with jets on a stick of how to better the BFM fight. Your feedback is amazing because it’s real life. People couldn’t pay for what you have to offer here. Insanely cool!
He’s so chill, Bob Ross of fighter pilots
You and Growling Sidewinder need to go head to head in Vipers or maybe an F-16 vs. F-15 scenario. He is kind of a DCS Legend, be fun to see him up against a real fighter pilot!
Growling does some videos against a real pilot already, but I agree would be awesome to see some neo vs blink
Just discovered this channel and I am a big fan thus far. Keep up the good work sir.
Yup 👍.. love these break down videos 🫡
Can’t wait till the next one ☝️
Still hope you do one on the F15 shooting down a satellite story 😊.. that would be an awesome break down.. although it wasn’t a completely successful project in the end, it was quite fascinating to see them push F15 to the limit
Thanks man! I have a competitor to Top gun Maverick breakdown releasing next week!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa very much looking forward to. It sounds interesting.
"blink" is a perfect callsign. Sounds like it would have some badass backstory about a staring contest with the enemy and making them blink. But nope, it's a jab at the pilot who blinked at the wrong time and lost sight of his opponent.
"lights" would also work - as in "who turned out the lights? why can't i see this guy anymore??"
or maybe 'optometrist', because clearly he needs one.
Eons ago a buddy was scoring training video - and this one guy's call sign was 'Box'. Earned it after a boneheaded move - ie dumb as a box of rocks. It only takes one time and they're brutal.
Great insight and awesome interesting facts also your positive attitude is infectious. Great content!
Love that your YT channels crossed paths... Big fan of both of you...A colab is well overdue !! 🙂
Love your perspective. I watch GS all the time, love his Channel as well.
Awesome breakdown, really appreciate your expert critique. Keep these fantastic videos coming. God Bless.
When you’re dogfighting in reality, any mistakes can be fatal. The nice thing about dcs is that only your ego gets hurt. 😊
Hope Blink and Longshot take notes here,they’ve got free tutoring from an actual combat pilot.
"Blink" or Growling Sidewinder has actually fought many fighter pilots! I think that he has bested every single one in a best of three. Notable fights include the French Raffaele pilot and the Canadian fighter, love those vids
@@preston8008 GS is a wonderful creator and a awesome DCS pilot, but you’d be silly not to glean any tips from someone like Max AB
Blink is actually a sick callsign
BWYYAAAHHHH (hank hill voice) - its the closest thing to the noise he made when he thought he could take the F22 with a flanker and it pulled up in his rear view mirror
Growling Sidewinder is a great DCS fighter. What is cool about him is that he makes no bones about the fact that he is trying to always learn.
Great video! Can't wait to see your next breakdown on Blink!
The moment I heard Growling Sidewinder's voice, I knew this would not be fair for the F-35.
I see you enjoying tea from the Cajun mug... My neighbor flew with him too, enjoy the content. Give GS a good call sign!
"and Fat Amy gonna learn today..." lol I love GS.
I'm subscribing. I read that the 35 internal payload was going to be 6 now. Is that right? I saw a 35 in action at an air show. ...holy wow! Is freaking loud and it maneuvered very nice too! Of course they can't show us the real capabilities of it, but I was really impressed! Freaking LOUD! LOVED IT
If you mean the Side Kick upgrade, I believe it only works with the A and C models to carry 6 internal AMRAAMs
The B used by the British and US Marines has a smaller internal bay and will probably never get upgraded. Instead, smaller missiles may have to be developed -see Ratheon's Peregrine missile.
@@Claudius_Nero thank you for the info! Yeah, it didn't really get in to details about the different models.
In an A2A focused initial mission set, they will often carry 2x AIM-9X BLK II+ on stations 1 & 11 and 4xAIM-120C7/D for a total of 6 AAMs. Brits will do 2x ASRAAM BLK 6, 2x AIM-120, and 2x Meteor.
The new Block 6 ASRAAM has significant BVR capability.
F-35s also get to choose whether or not someone will merge with them, and given that choice, better to reach out from the shadows and pull targets into NEZ than merge with them.
And we have the Peregrine missile in development, she could be ripping 12 missiles here soon!
@@LRRPFco52 Do you know if the AIM-9X Block II+ had some RCS reducing modifications? I’ve heard some whispers that it does but it’s so hard to find information on it, and you seem knowledgeable. I heard from a few people it got some RCS paint and from one that it is shaped a bit different.
Growling "Blink" Sidewinder is awesome.... We totally have to make "Blink" stick.... that's perfect!
if you loose visual, remember: if he is not in front of you, above you, or on the sides, he's behind you, if he's below you, he's behind you.
Love all your dcs content
Hey thanks!
These videos are so cool both growling and having your opinions/advice
i really like this type of videos good job at editing too
Love it man! Growling Sidewinder is the very reason I'm here, first DCS video I ever saw was him been hooked ever since. Next goal is PC to learn DCS, can't wait. Thanks guys for the awesome videos and knowledge. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think this is a guns only fight unless your opponent extends away or to finish them off when you get a guns hit. Great video as always.
Everything I have ever read says the only time the F-16 is more maneuverable than the F-35 is stripped down with a light fuel load. With a actual combat loadout the F-35 can out maneuver the F-16.
You're correct
Thanks for checking out the video!
@Max Afterburner what are your thoughts on Growling Sidewinder's obvious bias against the F-35? I'm sure you've noticed the "it's slow and can't turn" bias in his remarks.
@@saltyfloridaman7163 I mean the DCS F-35 Mod kind of sucks, It's not exactly a great model of its real life counterpart. Obviously the DoD isn't gonna release the F-35s true specs so mod authors end up having to guess.
@@Xphyle-tf1do Yup. Donkey and Mover both commented that the Viper isn't even modeled correctly, that it doesn't rate around fast enough.
It would be great to see how real F35 pilot would fight against growling sidewinder at the DCS. Interesting to know the DCS F35 flight model is realistic at all. F35 kill ratios in the real world (red flag) are very impressive. If F35 would be bad plane I don't think everyone would be replacing their F16's with it. Here in Norway pilots love F35
So when are we going to see some sort of colab with you two? It would be so great to see you two fly
He's now being called blink on every video going forward.
Call Sign: Sassy Ace.
Well that's a callsign I can grow old to.
Hey Max, you make great videos and you explain everything very well.. Great Job bro. Love your channel..
If I'm not mistaken the mod that delivers the F35 uses the FC3 F15C for a base flight model. Does anyone know what aspects of this were changed besides the RCS? Does it seem like a realistic fight or is he really dogfighting an F15?
This was an awesome video, subbed
great analysis; keep them coming sir
Dang....you pulled the handle on your "Robin Olds" mustache!
Thats my dream bird, Ryan, the "sweet sixteen" a VFR daylight BFM platform, no clouds for me (in my civilian GA microcosm, its why I obtained my "Glider - aertow" rating after I had around 500 hrs of tailwheel time in a 1975 Taylorcraft F19). I honestly think it was best decision for me looking back. Basically I'd rather be circling in a thermal in Schweizer 2-33 or 1-26 than flying in the clouds
👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏
genuinely lol'd at "Panther" nickname :D
Hey Max AB. Can I ask what you meant by "Square that Corner" after reversing to the right? Do you mean all the way back round to the right like your turning the corner to get back on him or reverse a little to give yourself room then break back left on his 6?
Had the pleasure of seeing an F16 at an airshow years ago, and it impressed so much. There was F15"s Mirages, Russian Migs etc, but the F16 was the best without a doubt..
The typical ROE for his dogfight vids is guns only... until first blood, then fox 2s are ok for the coup de grâce.
Thank you! I always get frustrated when I watch rate fighters not hold altitude on an opponent. Everyone is always so quick to cash in their altitude. Let them dump their nose while you stay high in a turn, and come in on them later.
Hiw about FOD or Frag for a call sign. In the Navy it stands for Foreign Object Damage from debris. I notice GS usually frags himself by taking close gun shots and flying through the debris field lol.
Your comment on how the viper had tech like nvg and ils barely bolted on hits close to home. 115 fw lost a viper and pilot a few years back when they were doing night training. We had block 30s so I'm sure it would have been even more difficult to fly at night.
F-16: the guy she told you not to worry about…😂
Callsign: Ray Gun... mix between Ray Charles and Top Gun. Don't @ me
Lmaooo i love it
Max Afterburner critiquing Growling Sidewinder!! This was awesome! More of this. But why shave the Robin Olds/airline pilot stache?!
My callsign’s Speedy Rocket..making me think of changing my major to Aerospace engineering
F-16! The most beautiful jet in the world! And as a swede Gripen takes second place. I love those Growling Sidewinder, Longshot and Grim Reapers clips. Yours off course aswell. Good work!
Fun reaction bro
Hey cheers!
The F-16 is recommended to have the AMRAAM on the outside wing pylons to prevent flexure-torsion binary flutter. Which is another way of saying prevent wing fatigue, and It is actually considered to be safer to maneuver with aim-120s on the ends. The F-16 N was when they first realized just how fast F-16 wings can wear out from constant high G combat maneuvers and not having a Aim 120 on the wing tips. Now its always recommended to have aim120s or equal weight out on the tips at all times. Another plane is the F-5. It will always have sidewinders on the wing tips for this reason.
He's a real life F-16 pilot. I'm sure he's aware.
additional weight decreases wear?
F-16N mmm such a great plane.
@@NoNameAtAll2 crazy right
Took out a Viper in an F14B. I gained altitude and then nosed over and fox2 from 5 miles to force him into a Syrian turn, took his tail but kept my altitude around 15k, he reversed to prevent presenting his AB to me but bled too much speed, so he ditched his nose and I tucked in behind him, then he tried to go vertical and I took a high aspect fox2 shot for the splash. Whole thing lasted 41 seconds. Basic lesson really of any combat situation is to jam up their game. Take away their advantage and dominate. As Sun Tzu said, know yourself and your enemy. I would never get into a turning fight with a Viper except with an F22.
Enjoy the DCS breakdowns very much
Houdini is a dope callsign and thematic.
3:19 those call signs are too positive man hahaha aint no way
It’s pretty cool that GS can invest some time and money and get really good at BFM in a variety of different aircraft. He does his homework and knows how to exploit weaknesses and capitalize on his jet’s strength. As much as I love his mid-fight commentary and how much it ads to his videos, I would just love to see GS in a real F-16 dogfight, trying to talk through a 450 knot/9 G rate fight on the floor. DCS is awesome, but it does a lousy job of conveying just how athletic and draining a sustained high aspect engagement really is.
OK boomer
I'm in no way a real pilot but you touch on my biggest gripe about DCS... Is that there's no way this sim is correctly immulating the real life speed of a fighter jet and combat flight. But like I said Im not a pilot so just my opinion
I wonder if DCS has accurately modeled the F-35 and that maybe it might be more maneuverable than they’re letting on?🤔
We all know the Raptor is king of the sky at BFM but there’s some things about the F-35 that make me think that it’s much more capable than we’re led to believe in this arena.
It can do a falling leaf without thrust vectoring and that’s a massive clue that it is maneuverable and it just has a massive power plant at its heart that’s more powerful than any other jet engine on the planet and that means that it can likely maintain and keep energy much longer than anything else.
Those are huge pluses but I’m not an expert and honestly what I’ve learned about BFM is from watching GS channel.
It’s interesting to watch even if you don’t play the game
you are corret. If you look inside the mod, it's just an F-15.
So when is the Max Afterburner vs Growling Sidewinder DCS match?
Nothing in the world is louder than an F-16 spooling up on the flight line after you just finished a 12 hour shift and you're trying to fall asleep but your barracks/dorms are only e block away from said flight line.
Yes more GS breakdowns
Ground has a 100% kill probability
ive never heard that but its so good
💡 Spartan…that can be a call sign for Growling Sidewinder.
A lot of times GS does his 1v1 dogfights guns only. You can only use missiles to kill a bandit extending away too far or to finish off a bandit that's already been damaged by guns.
Blink would be the most appropriate callsign
"Blink" is good, but I like "Slack" better.
GS frequently does gun-only dogfights and has too many high-aspect shots with no follow-on options, he has no "slack." Also, in Fox-2 fights, he frequently wastes his missiles while in the WEZ, again not enough "slack." And when it comes to this video he was "slack"ing when got complacent and lost sight of the F-35 at the start, too much "slack."
I like growling sidewinders channel. I thought maybe you were doing the dcs at first.
Hot Shot Rebel is a badass callsign thanks
could you react to the eurofighter vs f15 fox 2 fight and comment on how accurate the fox 2 performances are?
Love your work!
Thank you! Cheers!
Lol oh no not the callsign Lmaoooooo
Call sign should be: Ambien. This is the sleep med.
Blindspot might be a good call-sign for GS. Loved the analysis! Keep 'em coming!
I love the F-16, it is so agile as you know. F-35s are amazing, but I think they love to use their stealth, so they will engage before their opponent can see them. Thanks for your service!
i wish we knew the full capabilities of the f 35, but just like the f22, we won’t know its full capabilities for many years
@@grider421 Late 1970s Block 1, 5, and 10 F-16A Radar capabilities are still classified, and the old APG-66 was rendered obsolete in the 1980s by the APG-68, of which there have been 9 subsequent variants. Those are now outclassed by the SABR AESA being installed in 608 late Block F-16CMs.
There are still modes and features of APG-66 that can't be discussed 45 years later.
F-35's APG-81 is light years ahead of the APG-68, and even better than the F-22's APG-77 AESA.
LO is their game and they will Kill you BVR way before the merge.
The F-16 is the angry lil ankle biter of the group🤣