F-16 Smashes F-15 in Dogfight
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2023
- Fighter pilot reacts to dogfight of F-15 vs F-16. These fighter jets go head to head in an aviation showdown where only one can emerge victorious.
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When's the Max Afterburner vs Growling sidewinder dogfight going to happen?
Max AB will probably struggle a bit, at the end of the day dcs is a game without all the physical feedback of a real jet. You can see this often with F1 drivers as well who rely on feeling the physics of the situation and struggle when it's just a screen.
@@leftnut7508after a few hours though a real f-1 driver will out preform a gamer all day growling sidewinder has said the same when he fought the French pilot the first two fights were him winning every fight after that the French pilot won
@@calneigbauer7542 I remember that fight, watching those videos again nowadays it's very clear GS has improved considerably. It didn't help the f16 at the time wasn't quite the best it is today in dcs, I believe it was a mod then as well.
Both GS and MaxAB must have heard this request many many times, from myself included. Seems clear there’s mutual respect, so curious why it hasn’t hadn’t happened or why we haven’t seen much or any DCS content from MaxAB with him at the controls hmm
@Leftnut it's very hard once your used to feed back operating without throws a kink in you whole game.
I'm a former mechanic on F-16s and F-15s. The Viper is WAY easier to fix. In most cases, I could have that airplane fixed that day. With the Eagle, some repairs were three days with two shifts working it. Plus they are ALWAYS broke. Thank goodness I'm done working on Eagles. I was good at it, but I didn't enjoy it.
Tomcat mechs be like : 😒
Wow that is amazing Intel I suppose larger airframe double the engines would probably be the problem can you imagine having the F16 in the Vietnam era but there again I suppose the A4 was probably the size of an F16 but smaller thanks for the import I didn't know that
@@diljitjedi To be fair, all of our jets were the oldest ones used for training, therefore they required more attention.
Former F-16 avionics tech. The F-16 has really good onboard diagnostics so it usually tells you which LRU (Line Replaceable Unit) to swap. Pretty much all the parts are behind doors. Plus the jet is really close to the ground so you rarely need a ladder or maintenance stand.
Am I correct in saying f16 was designed to be easier and cheaper to maintain?
I got to see a simulated dog fight between an FA 18 and a F16 at the Reno Air Races one year and the F16 was all over the FA18. The FA18 just could not get away from the F16. F16 just kicks ass
Check out the 10% true interview with Gabby Drake. The f16A was unbeatable in bfm
Simulated or training dogfight, those aircraft don't carry actual combat sorties payload. When loaded with air to air and air to ground ordnance with limited combat radius, that F/A-18E/F have more fuel and able to maneuver better. If you noticed, in most war theater, USAF F-16C/D flown mostly air to ground sorties while F-15C provided air cover. Large faster fighters with more fuel are more ideal for air to air that they could catch up and keep pace with enemy fighters.
Look at Iraqi Mig-29, Mirage F-1 that are more agile, they failed to splash US aircraft whereas the fast less agile Mig-25 is the only aircraft that scored air to air kills yet made into record of having spoofed & evaded the most air to air missiles namely AMRAAM.
@@jayjay53313that’s actually a good point
I wonder how realistic payload will affect the F16
"F-16 Smashes F-15 in Dogfight"
I went down, but I got the fucker too.
Reminds me of Braveheart:
Longshanks:
"Fire the arrows."
"Mylord, we will hit our own troops as well!"
"Yes? So? We will hit theirs as well ... ."
"Yes, mylord ... "
Always great to hear from someone who's been there and done it, thanks for the input man!!!!
I've been watching your channel for a month, maybe longer, and i really enjoy your format. You have lived every boy and girls dream. To be a pilot, a fighter pilot, and OMG, a Thunderbird pilot. I have never looked up to or think the Hollywood crowd as anything but a class of average people playing a part. You lived the part. Putting your lives on the line every time you jump into the seat of the best of the best jets money can buy. Even though my private pilot career is now over (66 with new pacemaker) i can enjoy your channel here.
Thank you for your service, Welcome home!
You are awesome, thanks for the comment! More to come!
Been watching your channel since you were at 10k I'm glad your channel has blown up you deserve it! These videos are awesome. Love hearing your analytics with these DCS scenarios. I sometimes wish you weren't a fighter pilot but still had all the knowledge so you could show us BVR stuff but ya know TTP's haha but either way great work! Cant wait for the next one
Thanks so much! Yeah I won’t do BVR and I’m weary on doing dogfights due to the same reasons but may think of a way to do it moving forward
@@MaxAfterburnerusa Woah that was a fast response! You're welcome! Yeah I totally understand there's been enough leaky pipes for one year lol. Looking forward to whatever is next, Appreciate the response!
Seeing them tracers coming is, to quote Chieftain "A significant emotional event".
I'm hooked on these analysis vids. Keep 'em coming.
Worked on the falcon for most of my USAF career. Started with the A & B models and ended with the C & Ds. Loved every minute of the time working on it.
Having a real fighter pilot add his insights/experience/analysis makes videos like this fun and interesting to watch. Good stuff.
Been following GS for about 2 years. Him and Longshot are funny as heck flying together. I thought I subscribed to your channel a couple months ago....I didn't and now I have. Thank you for your service and sacrifice and I'm grateful for the videos you share with us 😊
You and G.S. = Damn good video!!!👍🔥🔥🔥
Thanks!
6:47 Lol
Max: “You can’t win them all F-15”
F-15: “But I have…”
Thankfully those weren't 15s v 16s. Both birds are superior to the competition.
1 to 1.5 HUD lengths for the control zone! Mega awesome tip! Great format and work on the channel! Great for people like me with an interest in this. I am sure it will bring lots of interest and support for what people like you do for us!
Love your videos man. It’s really helping me with my confidence learning the f18 and DCS.
F-16 is Legendary!
There's an interview on the F-14 Tomcast with a D Tomcat pilot named Jungle who talked about fighting Eagles and he talked about how the Eagles wanted to keep a high altitude fight because the big wing is optimized for that environment and the Tomcat would want to drag the fight low because he would have the low altitude advantage.
Correct. F-14 sweeps the wing back at high altitude at lower IMN and it's turning performance was optimized for wings fully out. Eagle wing camber was optimized for high altitude
I have to admit that I'm a big fan of Growling Sidewinder, too! His narrations of his thoughts and strategies while he conducts the fight are the BEST!
Dude your joy for these aircraft is so catchy.
Dude, I love your videos! You lived Top Gun and all the other movies and games! Thank you!
I wish GS would do a 2v2 guns only fight. I would love to see team tactics.
He just does the casual basic stuff, ACM aka multiple opponents or 2 va 1 requires far more communication with the correct tactics and brevity calls GS is not interested in that. He’s just doing the casual stuff.
Great, Spartan & Neo (not sarcastically). I was thinking, because the cannon is used so much in DCS, I’d like to see an F8 Crusader go against a Mig 21. Thanks for another fun video Max Afterburner and Growling Sidewinder 👍
I love how DCS is using the Sioux City Air National Gaurd F-16, I grew up around those and my dad use to work on those aircraft!
I'm just imagining an F-16 with radar absorbent paint and thrust vectoring. Both could and have been done to great effect. Wondering why they didn't make a production variant.
I am not a Fighter Pilot but I am a former Huey Driver. I have never flown or even rode in a Fighter jet. But I have been told that the F16 is the most maneuverable 4th Gen Fighter. Is that true?
Actually, you flew one of the best F-16 paint jobs. The Thunderbird paint scheme.
Is the "missile in the air" radio call in the intro a recording of Ryan from a combat sortie?
Good format for the breakdown. I feel it’s better without the pauses and commenting in real time. Thumbs up.
Appreciate it!
I agree! Feels more fluid and enjoyable
I'm trying to figure out your system. Love your channel
Excellent vids you should do one talking about your bfm experiences
Awesome, love these videos and this channel. Keep up the great work. God Bless.
Thank you!
Great tactical breakdown as always! Love your videos and your attitude! Glad you lost the 'stach.
I’ve cajoled my sons when they watch people play games, but here I am watching guys dogfighting.
This is just good fun, combining the game play with analysis you'd have with breaking down an actual dogfight. We all know DCS isn't exactly perfectly accurate, especially the sort of scenarios that are set up are fairly unrealistic. But it's still fun to explore 'what-ifs', for sure. Also, I think a lot of us have been watching Growling Sidewinder for a long time, what he says absolutely works in game, but it's fun to see what he's saying be confirmed or added to by someone who knows the aircraft, not the game, so to speak.
I actually prefer it when you have his voice up and you're sort of having a one way conversation about what he's saying. But i understand if you'd prefer to just discuss the silent footage. It can at times just feel like we're watching his video with your face in front of it, and i know that's not at all what you're trying to do. Maybe you could pick out any interesting things he says about the process and then address them at the end if they're worth discussing? I guess I've just got a fascination with how much a person can learn from just immersing themselves in a simulator/game like GS has, whether a person like yourself is surprised by how much a person who has no real life access to these aircraft can learn without.
Awesome comments thanks!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa I'm sure you could tell that the F-15C in DCS is 80's variant with older avionics whereas the F-16C in this game is newer. In clean dogfight, the F-16C is more maneuverable but in actual combat sorties where combat radius is concerned and aircraft are loaded with armament, the F-16C is less maneuverable with less fuel to burn compared to your F-15E.
Aerodynamics determined the aircraft getting better acceleration, faster cruising speed and further it could go. You should come up with new video on why F-15 is ideal fighter compared to F-16. Refer Korea and Singapore Air Force that have both the F-15 and F-16, their fighter pilots prefer F-15 because of superior AESA AN/APG-63CV3 (ability to guide missile better at long range), inboard ECM, better avionics, having the speed and range to pursuit & intercept enemy aircraft. In actual combat, enemy aircraft don't always fly towards you like in DCS but they tend to sway away with 1 being decoy to lure, 1 to sneak past by taking 1 big round to outflank approach from blind angle or they'll just play chicken game. Slower aircraft including Rafale would have hard time catching up since BVR missikes don't get to hit targets from maximum effective range which is why countries at high risk of war bought the F-15 instead of Rafale & EF-2000. Rafale has lots of fuel but its aerodynamic is made for low speed stability & maneuverability like the F/A-18E/F therefore it has slow cruising speed and less suitable for hunting enemy fighters that would play chicken game.
Look at enemy Mig-29, Mirage F-1 that are more agile, they failed to splash a single US fighter whereas the fast less agile Mig-25 is the only aircraft that scored air to air kills yet made into record of having spoofed & evaded the most air to air missiles namely AMRAAM.
Thunderbirds put on an amazing show. Glad to find this channel and hearing a pilots perspective. The F-16 is a super slick fighter, the closest I'll get to flying one is DCS. 😂
No, the closest is BMS. The DCS doesn’t come close to it in terms of modeling and realism. ED has still a long way to go.
@p4nth4 I'll have to check it out. I haven't committed to dcs yet. I'm coming from Ace Combat (lol), and want that next level realism. There's a lot to learn.
@@wyattsprague2218 BMS is better in all aspects except for graphics and sound. You'll have a blast!
D*** every time I hear you X fighter pilots talk about times you were flying these amazing jets I just am in awe!!!!
I mean my whole life has consisted of crotch rockets, 4 wheelers, jet skis, fast cars, ect,... I have done some very minimal flights in a helicopter, and I actually do fly RC helicopters.
BUT!!!!,..... I NEED to experience that!!!! And that's my whole entire bucket list!
Hey man, you coming down to the Reno Air races this year?
Howdy. On the issue of night BFM with NVGs. As I understand this is virtually impossible. I imagine the F-35 with the EODAS would provide a leap in capability in this respect, with the 4pi steradian IR video feed on the pilot's helmet display. Perhaps the first practical (or almost practical), night dogfighter? :)
Oh, and I'll second the comments from other posters here: love your channel. :)
Ryan: Any thoughts on the M61 vs. the revolver BK27 (Gripen, Typhoon) in BFM? :) I should think the M61 with the massive rate of fire and spread would be the pilot's choice, even though it takes 0.5 seconds to reach max rate.
Saw shot of your older stuff.... Why'd you lose the Old's Stache?
Let’s see you fight gs
Yes, I would love to see that.
Tell us about thrust vectoring nozzles and dog fights sometime.
Max v Hasard lee?
Congrats on 100k!
That would be fun!
You had the best F-16 livery though.. I'd probably crap myself if I merged with a Thunderbird livery F-16. I'd know I was in a fight with a bad ass.
sure, the F16C dominated this fight. GS was in it. Watch when he flies AGAINST the F16C...GS wins again. Just like Chuck said, it's the man, not the machine. One of GS's more recent videos show his counter 2-circle skills quite thoroughly.
G s doesn’t fly against the best dog fighters in DCS, only against people he can win against
General Dynamics called the F-16 a “Fighting Falcon" as its official name. “Viper" is a nickname that Air Force pilots gave the F-16 after watching Battlestar Galactica in 1978, but that's not its name.
5 round WVR match with guns only between Growling Sidewinder and Neo!
Taking bets now.
Ok it's DCS. In the C-model always try and 2 'circle' an F-16 with vertical, but I j-turn so it's more of a '2-hexagon bathtub' of playing peek-aboo with the wez until I've baited the enemy into cashing in their energy chips enough that it's basically a knockitoff and reset. But then I don't play DCS. But DCS is a great -1 preflight post flight simulator.
love the video. only thing is I would love to hear growling sidewinders original video with your commentary over it. however it's awesome seeing your reactions and real world thoughts on hid videos 😀
Noted! Will do for future ones. I have a couple in the queu that may be similar style but moving forward I'll lean towards what you mentioned. thanks!
@MaxAfterburner_official seriously I love your videos have loved watching dcs content channels and having your knowledge ontop of it is huge
Hi @MaxAfterBurnerusa
I discovered your channel about a year ago. Watched a vid here and there but only recently discovered you flew both the F15 and F16, two of my fav jets.
AND you were part of the Thunderbird !
What a career!
So couldn’t have been a better person to ask what you would prefer out of the two jets. I do personally prefer the F16 as I am a sucker for manoeuvrability and love the F16’s looks and design philosophy.
Look at those chines ! (Just like the SR71)
So was very happy to hear you too have the same preference ! 👊
I thought the tennis court was a Tomcat thing.
Nice edited video 😀
This is an honest question with no subtextual judgement, out of curiosity do you put make-up on to film your videos?
that was a great fight...GS is a great sim pilot
The Max Afterburner X Growling Sidewinder dogfight probably hasn't happened yet because MA is busy playing in single and honing his skills before he takes him on, that way he doesn't know what level of ability to expect haha
You're just a novelist.
F15, F16 ...
No, F14 Tomcat-Grumman.
THAT was a beast.
Is this a Sim video?
Me too I want to see the Max Afterburner Growling Sidewinder duel.
Do aircraft lose their radar locks as easily as they do in DCS? I always get ghost locks in the hornet too. Where you're chasing a box with absoutely nothing there but I'm guessing it's a bug that has never been fixed.
Buddy of mine badmouthed the guard in his pilot training flight room to the effect of "(guard) F-15C drivers were trash." His F-16 background flight commander stomped on him. While on paper, the F-15C and F-16C matchup in a pure BFM scenario should result in an F-16C win, the Guard pilots have been devising strategies for longer than the active duty units have commitments. Ever heard of the F-16 ratchet? That's when the fly-by-wire system doesn't let the nose track, but the F-15C can still have control authority.
Yep, pretty standard, Ive flown both C models, and it's relatively easy unless you do something stupid in the Viper.(especially in Block 30 Bigmouth) The Eagle is just a big big girl.
Nellis is a cool base. My dad was based in Phoenix most of his time.
This is like when the first Honda with boost smoked a Camaro/mustang/ and whatever dodge had.
Hey Max I been watching your videos on and off and I been listening to what you say in the videos with the Growler vids in DCS Flight simulator. I was wondering if you can do a reaction video to a youtuber I watch who plays a game called War thunder which is a online flight/ground/naval simulator pitting tanks, aircraft and naval vessels up against each other in a team based death match, using realistic damage modules and crews instead of Health points. Anways the youtubers name is Hunter and he does battles in mainly realistic battles or simulator sometimes, his performance is quite outstanding both in ground but mostly in the air either as an attack chopper pilot or fixed wing aircraft pilot, if i didn't know better I swear he served as his piloting skills are similar to what i see in the Growler videos. War Thunder released the F-16 A block 10 into the game about 3 months ago as well as other versions like the ADF version and even though its the first time playing the F-16 Hunter was able to do stuff i only heard about in stories , like dropping extra fuel tanks and other ordinance before turning into a fighter who had engaged him please check him out this videos are really nice to watch. his name is: Hunter_i86 and the video in question is this one ua-cam.com/video/K5x9unahkAM/v-deo.html
I really like this. please keep it up, but beware the internet demons
FANTASTIC VIDEO AND PRESENTATION!!!!!!!! SO INFORMATIVE AND FUN ON MY FAVORITE SUBJECT. GREAT,GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!♥️🙏
I've always thought of the F-16 as being a modern day P-51, beautiful and deadly. It must be a dream to fly a slick viper.
I wonder who wins in a BVR fight.
there was a chute in the first kill, the f15 pilot barely got out in time
What would be cool is if there was a mod for the air force proof of concept F16 with 3D thrust vectoring. Can’t imagine the Gforces on the pilot.
Have your ever thought of flying against GS in DCS?
Usually real fighter pilots won’t mix it up with gamers. They have classified maneuvers and tactics they can’t really share. So if they did fight, Growling Sidewinder would probably dominate.
@@Wargasm54 Sorry thought this commit was from another thread were these is a debate happing, but I think its totally possible to do a good fight without any classified maneuvers. The basics can suffice in these situations, he would just have to keep to the maneuvers he openly talk about.
So close to 100K subs!
At Red Flag F-15s had to be restricted in order to fight F-16s . F-15s have Beyond Visual Range and has a top speed of 1878 mph. A F-16 could never catch an F-15 especially with AMRAAMs, AIM-120s...Unrealistic.
How hard would it be to equip the F 16 with thrust vectoring to improve its already awesome maneuverability, and are they developing smart cannon rounds? I know they’re working on sniper rifles that can maneuver at high speeds something like that in a fighter aircraft would just be game changing.
X-62 Vista
Love me some hot steamy F16 action!
Is anyone able to tell me why it’s bad if you don’t parachute, is there some kind of negative affect from that or a negative point loss?
The rich kid of fighter jets. Damn that is really funny.
Get SRS radio if you are going to be on Growling Sidewinder. Also Remember the F-15C is a missile truck. Spamarram! You get 5 aim 120's fired on you once I get the orange light. Also the F-15C does not have the Helmet Mounted queuing system. Also what F-15 merges at 17,000. It's called the Eagle because you swoop down on him from 40,000. He isn't going to see you other than on his RDR. See you on multiplayer. You have people who have egos that could full a football stadium. My first flight simulator was MicroProse F-117A I was 8. Then came every MSFS. Then came Janes F-15E And now DCS World VR.
✏️ 1. always do a victory aileron roll, and 2. Always sound cool on the radio. Noted! 😆 so for this girl, twirl and sound cool 🤣
Ryan, there's a chute visible at 6:58. He lived.
I dunno if if he lived as that chute and seat hit the ground almost immediately after opening but yes there was a chute.
round 3 was GS making a point what would happen if an F16 1circle the F15.
If you put GS in the F-15, he would destroy the Viper. One problem I have with his video's, especially where hes fighting the eagle is he always gets the worst eagle pilots.
Yeah, because he only picks opponents he can win against.
you gotta reach out to growling sidewinder, I'm sure he'd love to do a collab with you
He’s not one to collab much not sure why tho
why dont you make a dogfight with gs. that would be very interesting.
Great fun !!!
Let's see Max vs. GS.
The f-15 is the better fighter plane but it's all up to the pilot. And right here the f-15 pilot got out maneuver constantly. Sometimes it's up to the pilot
Do what now?
Fights on... Fights on...
Wow! Still undefeated in combat though
It's the size of a tennis court 😮
Something about your personality makes me think of Grand thumb channel.
I think another GS fight you'd be interested in is the F-16C Viper Vs Su-27 Flanker using High-Off-Boresight IR Missiles.
ua-cam.com/video/6iSy0t2jeM0/v-deo.html is the link if you want to react to it some day! Take care sir!
The falcon is my personal favorite
Nice to see Bateman doing fine.
Hedge fund daddy. 😂
The F-16 is a small air superiority fighter. The F-15 is a much larger multi-role strike fighter. In a dogfight, I would expect the F-16 to win most of the time. Different air frames for different jobs.
Yeah, no. You conveniently ignore the F-15e which is the Strike Eagle. Only the F-15c is used in the air superiority role. So they are BOTH multi-role aircraft, yes?@@bluefridge7923
What about the F15 E?
When you talk about a growling sidewinder it's a video game to me, you no fighter piolet, yes.
I would merge at high speed then cash in the speed by going vertical and turning into the opponent's high 6 o'clock.
I wonder how much better the EX would be with the new engine.
The Blue Angels should have flown Tom Cats
Dude you kinda look like Michael Fassbender!!