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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  6 місяців тому +16

    Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/
    DCS F-16 Viper: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/viper/?

    • @Just_Another_Nobody_18
      @Just_Another_Nobody_18 6 місяців тому +1

      YF-23 black widow Vs NATF-23 sea widow please

    • @firebald2915
      @firebald2915 6 місяців тому +3

      Thanks, GS... You saved the search for many. That's why this channel is so fantastic, We learn from the Best.

    • @dreaminknight
      @dreaminknight 6 місяців тому +1

      Very cool lessons!!! And with TacView visualization again 😂😍🥰

    • @numberyellow
      @numberyellow 6 місяців тому +1

      NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns and missles plzkthx
      SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns only plzkthx

    • @numberyellow
      @numberyellow 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Anarchy_420 Indeed, sir. was MIA for a couple months, but i've been back at it for a few weeks now.
      Unlike that fucking poser, i actually HAVE been asking for my things for a VERY long time, lol.
      You getting your video gave me hope for my requests.....so i keep trying.

  • @barbaros99
    @barbaros99 6 місяців тому +345

    Those diagrams along with your explanations were incredibly helpful. Thank you!

    • @fukimoto
      @fukimoto 6 місяців тому +5

      The visuals really help.

  • @tepes22b
    @tepes22b 6 місяців тому +89

    My wife was asking what the difference between 1- and 2-circle fights were. You couldn't have explained it more clearly!

    • @drannn360
      @drannn360 6 місяців тому +25

      I talk about tactics with my wife and she just smiles and nods to make me feel better. 😂 I know she couldn’t give a shit

    • @sarcastaball
      @sarcastaball 4 місяці тому

      You should find a wife with her wits about her

    • @paulk5670
      @paulk5670 3 місяці тому +5

      ​@@sarcastaballSounds like he has.

    • @xX_Gravity_Xx
      @xX_Gravity_Xx 3 місяці тому +5

      This man is one of five people to have seen this video that has a wife lol

    • @adamtheninjasmith2985
      @adamtheninjasmith2985 3 місяці тому +2

      She's a keeper 👍

  • @karabenomar
    @karabenomar 6 місяців тому +86

    So helpful! We've had countless 1-circle vs. 2-circle dogfights but how you actually go about forcing your preferred fight on the bandit was always a bit of black magic. Thanks!

  • @madaxe606
    @madaxe606 6 місяців тому +46

    Looking forward to seeing this revisited when the full fidelity MiG-29 releases. Also nice to see the Tacview make a return - always very helpful to visualize what’s happening.

  • @GabrielOliveira-cu1du
    @GabrielOliveira-cu1du 6 місяців тому +85

    Bro, the way you just know exactly what to do amazes me! I wish I had a setup to fly like this

    • @Patrick-zr8tv
      @Patrick-zr8tv 6 місяців тому +10

      He's clearly very experienced that's for sure. I would say most of the skill is in being able to read the fight though. He seems to have impeccable situational awareness and can very quickly figure out how the fight is developing, allowing him to respond appropriately. It makes me jealous because I consider myself a pretty good fighter but I just cannot read the fight like GS can.

    • @GabrielOliveira-cu1du
      @GabrielOliveira-cu1du 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Patrick-zr8tv I *think* that I could be a decent flyer (even though I’ve never used any flight sim), but it would take a long time before I would be able to read the fight like he does. Thx for the reply!

    • @Millz666
      @Millz666 6 місяців тому +4

      You just need a better gaming chair!

    • @52down
      @52down 6 місяців тому

      @@Millz666 And a mouse pad

  • @theshinken
    @theshinken 6 місяців тому +24

    Over the years you got better and better at explaining this and this video is the absolute peak. Even a complete novice should be able to get it this time.

  • @recreant17psn47
    @recreant17psn47 6 місяців тому +27

    Boy was I happy to see the TacView was back with the piano. Cherry on top 👌

  • @truthseeker9454
    @truthseeker9454 6 місяців тому +4

    9:06 Driver of the car passing through the fields - "Look Marge, it's a two circle dogfight!
    Marge - "And it looks like the Mig-29 is trying to offset his circle!"

  • @BrianTRice77
    @BrianTRice77 6 місяців тому +4

    I love how far you’ve come in using diagrams, inflight explanations, and then TacView debriefs to get at combat geometry and tactics. I think I found this channel like 4 years ago when you were first grappling with a solid training in BFM and the tacview videos were great, but clearly meander a bit with what to present and why, and now you’ve got it laid out nicely.

  • @700Dragon1
    @700Dragon1 6 місяців тому +31

    Love your videos!! I was a AD2 in the Navy and worked on the F/A 18 Hornet. I was on the USS Saratoga CV-60 and in Desert Storm and was on its last cruise, But you definitely need better opponents!!

  • @TymaDem
    @TymaDem 6 місяців тому +38

    8:58 you almost went to Elvis there

  • @christopherchartier3017
    @christopherchartier3017 6 місяців тому +30

    These new G effects on the F-16 actually make it better

    • @spinningsquare1325
      @spinningsquare1325 6 місяців тому +1

      The g effects are for all planes

    • @christopherchartier3017
      @christopherchartier3017 6 місяців тому +8

      @@spinningsquare1325 Yeah but the F-16’s maneuverability relies on those high G elongated pulls

    • @spinningsquare1325
      @spinningsquare1325 6 місяців тому +1

      @@christopherchartier3017 so does the mig-29 as evident by that near death gray-out pull GS did in this video)

  • @canadianbacon852
    @canadianbacon852 6 місяців тому +7

    Thanks for the great explanation of 1 vs 2 circle…for some reason I’ve been struggling with this concept lol

  • @commandergeokam2868
    @commandergeokam2868 6 місяців тому +5

    This by far the best explanation of the basic fight manuvers i have seen in the platform

  • @optikid0373
    @optikid0373 6 місяців тому +2

    Man your ability to both focus on a fight and win while also explaining exactly what you’re doin is impressive. Good job and thanks for tips

  • @mattshreve9096
    @mattshreve9096 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for the extra explanations and diagrams. I finally understand 1-circle vs 2-circle!! I've been watching your videos for years, and I never fully understood the terminology until now.

  • @angelosmyth7186
    @angelosmyth7186 6 місяців тому +4

    I've seen you explain this before, but this is your best video on the subject - great job!

  • @RudyRedTop
    @RudyRedTop 6 місяців тому

    The added visual examples are a great touch no matter how many times I've heard you explain it. They really help me actually visualize what you mean in my head.

  • @mikewebber4784
    @mikewebber4784 6 місяців тому +1

    Love the pop up diagrams and then the tacview debrief. Really helps me to understand how the fights develop.

  • @ryanw1433
    @ryanw1433 3 місяці тому

    Very helpful - thanks! What I love about dogfighting is that it’s a very dramatic demonstration of physics and geometry

  • @daszieher
    @daszieher 6 місяців тому

    You are the channel which has up to date best explained the terms rate fight, two-circle and one circle. In my early sim-flying days I had to learn the hard way. 😊
    I remember flying aircraft, which could get around the circle faster than mine, but I could turn tighter, if there was space, so I had to resort to "bobbing" up and down, to "mess" up the quasi-static race around the circle that the opponent would have won. I also remember surprising other opponents in a rolling scissors by pointing the lift vector behind them while keeping them "over the shoulder" and cutting throttle on the way down and powering on on the way up.
    Funny, when you "sort of" learn by finding out and "misinterpreting" old handbooks. With YT knowledge is disseminated basically for free.
    Thank you!

  • @duncancrickett9212
    @duncancrickett9212 6 місяців тому +12

    Haven't seen so much exhaust smoke in your mirrors before XD

  • @muratbozkurt5967
    @muratbozkurt5967 6 місяців тому +1

    Fantastic illustrations!! Great dogfighting course. Thanks for your efforts...... You're the proof that it is not the plane but the pilot who wins at the end!

  • @andrewfranson4756
    @andrewfranson4756 6 місяців тому

    I always appreciate a tacview debrief, it really helps build a clear picture of the tactics you are teaching us.

  • @jaygibson8044
    @jaygibson8044 6 днів тому

    LOVE the graphics in the explanations! That would've helped me so much when I was new. Keep up the great work. I really enjoy your videos

  • @Maxdady01
    @Maxdady01 6 місяців тому +1

    The tac-view really brings home the altitude changes. Great job!

  • @finjuise
    @finjuise 6 місяців тому

    So much love in the comments, nice to see that in today's internets!
    Of all the 1/2 circle explanations you've done this was clearly the best.
    I wish nothing but success to you. The amount of work you put in to these videos is something else.
    Don't work too hard, Christmas break is still long way ahead ;)

  • @gappleton8255
    @gappleton8255 4 місяці тому

    Of all your attempts I think this is your best explanation of the 1-2 circle fight. Thanks!

  • @lukecreamer8426
    @lukecreamer8426 6 місяців тому +9

    10:35 the viper gets nose on first because it wins the two circle, and this was still a two-circle, but the offset meant it was a head-on snapshot with plenty of room for jinking and pilot error, not the F-16 chillin on your 6.
    A professional F-16 pilot would do what GS said and match your movements. There are degrees to maneuvering in relation.

  • @abbaerfani9007
    @abbaerfani9007 6 місяців тому +1

    Holy GS you did work hell out of that MIG29 I told you another day you are missing the MIGs. I like the way you flying the SU27 or MIG29 .Gerat job by you again thanks ❤❤❤

  • @danhoulahan
    @danhoulahan 6 місяців тому +4

    Love the videos bro! as much as i love the dog fighting and learning from you really love the BVR and mission videos! keep bringing great content brother

    • @ojile13
      @ojile13 6 місяців тому +4

      Yeah I used to prefer the dogfights, but as I've watched more and learned more, I now definitely prefer the BVR

  • @blessthismessss
    @blessthismessss 6 місяців тому

    as someone who's been studying BFM as a passionate hobby since your sub count was in the tens of thousands, i personally really like these vids as refreshers, especially seeing as counter-2 circle tactics are honestly some of the least straightforward things to learn with bfm.

  • @theskullkid421
    @theskullkid421 6 місяців тому +1

    The explanations are awesome! Gives the videos a whole new dimension!

  • @Lee-sti8wrx
    @Lee-sti8wrx 6 місяців тому

    Cheers for the explanations dude, love the tacview.
    You're training the next bunch of peeps to fight you, which is awesome because more people to fight = more GS videos. Sick plan bro lol.
    Loved the video as always man.

  • @MrSaaadpanda
    @MrSaaadpanda 6 місяців тому +2

    Love the Tac view! Thank you for that!!!

  • @jurajhablak3424
    @jurajhablak3424 6 місяців тому

    Amazing video, now after 2 years watching your videos undestand what is one circle and what is two circle. Thank you, great explanatory.

  • @NavajoMX
    @NavajoMX 6 місяців тому +2

    I love this format of video! I'd love to see the rolling scissor and split-S explained too! :D

  • @Xaunoki
    @Xaunoki 6 місяців тому

    I liked the little two circle and one circle diagrams you put in the upper left of the screen. I know what you're talking about because I've been watching for years at this point, but for newer subscribers, it probably helps tremendously to understand what you're referring to. It seems like the offset two circle initiation process is more or less half of a lazy eight.

  • @jonewc
    @jonewc 6 місяців тому

    Great video! I love your commentary along with the on screen graphics to explain this topic. The review lesson at the end was great too. Thank you for producing such good content. I never miss a video!

  • @o_______opanasovych
    @o_______opanasovych 3 місяці тому

    Incredible how you easily you did explained it. Thank you. This is so interesting.

  • @LZRDPUSS-lj3ss
    @LZRDPUSS-lj3ss 6 місяців тому +1

    Dude, I love the MIG29 for some reason. always love seeing you fly it.

  • @Blueridgebully
    @Blueridgebully 6 місяців тому

    reminds me of military training. it was explained so well i understood the 1st time. i was then taught 5 more times. only thing missing was a couple of exaggerated foot stomps.

  • @DerInterloper
    @DerInterloper 6 місяців тому

    These rapid release of dogfight videos make me happy. I would love to see half hour clips or longer.

  • @jerryaubert6201
    @jerryaubert6201 6 місяців тому

    I LOVE the chess of this. The tactical "Oh he got slow you see..." I can keep trying to force one circle. As long as he keeps above 350 he can ride above my nose.

  • @jamesdacy7332
    @jamesdacy7332 6 місяців тому

    Awesome video I understand know how you can "force" the fight into a one circle. Dog fighting is starting to make sense

  • @proffessorX
    @proffessorX 6 місяців тому

    Awesome video with some truly beautiful flying and excellent explanation of the circle fights.

  • @bareknuckleteam
    @bareknuckleteam 6 місяців тому +1

    The MiG-29 is a beast! Great video as always!

  • @andersbonde5185
    @andersbonde5185 6 місяців тому +1

    You are by far the best pilot on UA-cam, and I think thats the issue. You always win these fights.
    I could like to see you fight your self :)
    Thanks for a great video, and I love hwo you are able to talk thought the technic of these fights.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому

      Are you kidding ? He lost a lot in his videos recently

    • @andersbonde5185
      @andersbonde5185 6 місяців тому

      @@Mike_Romeohmm okay, its just my view.
      I think when he was fighting the French Mirages pilot - he really had found an equally pilot.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому

      @@andersbonde5185 Equally ? He got destroyed

  • @ycplum7062
    @ycplum7062 6 місяців тому

    I am a visual person, not an audio person. I understand better when I can "see" what is being said. To do arithmetic problems, I need to write it down. TO memorize phonenumbers, I either need to write it down or visualize the numbers in my head. Your diagrams are incredibly helpful.

  • @MichaelWagenstein
    @MichaelWagenstein 6 місяців тому

    If it wasn't for you I would not be playing DCS. Your video's not only introduced me to DCS but have always been entertaining and informative. This old man thanks you.

  • @controllerpleb6568
    @controllerpleb6568 6 місяців тому

    I don't really have any interest in dog fighting myself, but it's really cool to see such a skilled pilot explain the maneuvers.

  • @DigitalPetrol
    @DigitalPetrol 6 місяців тому

    Awesome episode. Loved this tacview - it's been too long. Thanks for the show!

  • @Ozasuke
    @Ozasuke 6 місяців тому

    I miss the tacview debrief! Thank you for explaining the 1C vs. 2C as well as how to convert them during a dogfight.

  • @therocinante3443
    @therocinante3443 6 місяців тому +1

    Now this is a classic style GS video. Love it.

  • @adriansperling5012
    @adriansperling5012 6 місяців тому

    Ahh, good ol’ tacview. I always found the tacview analysis the most informative.

  • @W1ckedRcL
    @W1ckedRcL 6 місяців тому

    Dude.. those visual aides are MONEY.
    So good for new viewers. And nice to see a tac view every now and again.

  • @dougsmith9679
    @dougsmith9679 6 місяців тому +1

    The has got to be the best DCS content on UA-cam. Skilful action, debrief and explanation including tacview. I learned more about dogfighting in this video than anything else I have watched! Thanks, GS!

  • @nfdbelgianmedic
    @nfdbelgianmedic 6 місяців тому +2

    DUDE, thank you for the graphics, and explanation.
    !! I learned more in that first minuet and a half, then watching you for more then a year.!!!

  • @knndyskful
    @knndyskful 6 місяців тому

    You have such an incredible mastery of the tactics it seems often that it doesn’t matter what you’re flying you’ll be able to win

  • @LDSG_A_Team
    @LDSG_A_Team 6 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful fight, even better explanations. Thank you sir

  • @Vespyr_
    @Vespyr_ 6 місяців тому

    Finally flying the MiG-29! My favorite fighter. It's the first fighter jet I had fallen in love with as kid. It's got such sexy curves, it feels like if you looked up Fighter Jet in the Dictionary, the MiG-29 would for sure be the picture.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому +1

      Finally ? He has flown the MiG-29 for ages on this channel.

  • @chongpak6864
    @chongpak6864 6 місяців тому +1

    Those graphics explaining the circled are great

  • @GoodHuntingS.T.A.L.K.E.R.
    @GoodHuntingS.T.A.L.K.E.R. 6 місяців тому

    These past few videos about the offset 2 circle have really help me. I was always wondering why my rate fights were so janky.

  • @simone.4914
    @simone.4914 6 місяців тому +1

    IMO you should have a high chance of an engine failure/damage every time you fly through debris of an other aircraft… even flying through a fireball will likely lead to an engine flameout…

  • @alexeyaviator8600
    @alexeyaviator8600 6 місяців тому

    Now I understood finally what 1 circle and 2 circle fight means. Thank you,

  • @javierrflores
    @javierrflores 6 місяців тому +4

    Thanks for explaining.

  • @imdoobie80
    @imdoobie80 6 місяців тому +1

    Day 120 F-4 Phantom vs Bandit unknown 4 Long rounds.

  • @dahno1975
    @dahno1975 6 місяців тому

    Great lesson once again, love the way you explain the tactics.

  • @pappajag
    @pappajag 6 місяців тому +3

    It appears the mig 29 is quite the gunfighter too. Of course pilot makes all the difference

    • @keepwalking6041
      @keepwalking6041 6 місяців тому

      actually he is king of dogfights together with su27.. back in 80s russians had total superiority in dogfights due to schmell ability to fire off-boresight archer infrared missile.. it means well 100 % win on dogfight scenarios.. only hope for west was BVR fight but back then it was far from perfect, dogfights would happen naturally..

  • @frapwaam5964
    @frapwaam5964 6 місяців тому +1

    Need more of these kind of explanation!

  • @3djgprint580
    @3djgprint580 5 місяців тому

    This is an awesome explaination, thank you very much for this video! Keep up the good work

  • @Scooter_McLuvin
    @Scooter_McLuvin 6 місяців тому +8

    F16: "ShaWING"!

  • @yorkan213swd6
    @yorkan213swd6 6 місяців тому

    Great circle explanation and graphics finally ! It took me years to understand…

  • @davidmason9118
    @davidmason9118 6 місяців тому +1

    Incredible. Fantastic commentary.

  • @aaronliddell4280
    @aaronliddell4280 6 місяців тому +1

    This was really enjoyable and informative with you doing the explaining as you went with the diagrams and dialogue. Very cool way for some of us newbies to learn what’s going on 👍

  • @orionmec
    @orionmec 6 місяців тому

    I think that was one of my favorite trainings with the action then the tack view.

  • @5vFreeNz
    @5vFreeNz 6 місяців тому +3

    HOLLY SHIT! TACVIEW!! I missed that so much. Thanks from the old viewer!

  • @charlestaylor8616
    @charlestaylor8616 6 місяців тому

    This is the best video explanation of the difference between 2 and 1 circle in layman terms.😉

  • @krowwithakay
    @krowwithakay 2 місяці тому

    “Yep, he’s still back there” the dogfight 😂

  • @RupertFoulmouth
    @RupertFoulmouth 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for clearing up my 1 circle 2 circle confusion.

  • @williamlong6373
    @williamlong6373 6 місяців тому

    Loved this... the ribbon explanation was very insightful

  • @JoelLinus
    @JoelLinus 6 місяців тому +3

    Tacview is back, that's great, I still wish it would've been there for the Aim-260 Video.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому

      My friend, the Aim-260 is 1. still in development 2. still classified and so nobody knows how it works or its performance and 3. it wasnt revealed to public yet and nobody besides it creators know how it even looks like.

    • @JoelLinus
      @JoelLinus 6 місяців тому +4

      @@Mike_Romeo Idc how it performs, I just wanted to see the Tacview

  • @mahirpro2027
    @mahirpro2027 6 місяців тому

    TYSM for teaching the circle fights
    !

  • @kentowakai1234
    @kentowakai1234 6 місяців тому

    Next time I am flying an F-16 in a dogfight with a Mig, I'll know what to do. Thanks for the life skills.

  • @connorburnes7697
    @connorburnes7697 6 місяців тому

    I honestly can’t think of any two more evenly matched gunfighters. Awesome video!

    • @cockatoo010
      @cockatoo010 6 місяців тому

      MiG 15 and F86?

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому

      BF-109 vs Spitfire ?

    • @connorburnes7697
      @connorburnes7697 6 місяців тому

      I should have added in modern.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому

      @@connorburnes7697 F-22 vs Su-57 ?

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 6 місяців тому

      @@connorburnes7697 F-15 vs Su-27 ?

  • @tomcatvrkalisz820
    @tomcatvrkalisz820 6 місяців тому

    Good knowledge there. Btw you could also mentioned that who turn last deside if the fight flow would be 1C or 2C. In not fair play scenario players do build turning room before merge for lead turn but doing that they give up the flow decision.

  • @mcleanac3000
    @mcleanac3000 6 місяців тому +9

    Can you do a vid on "angles"? You mentioned in previous vids that it "opened up angles". Would love to learn about that!

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  6 місяців тому +1

      hmmm, ya that actually a really simple concept, but I'll have to think of a good way of explaining it.

  • @PaskaKo
    @PaskaKo 6 місяців тому

    Insane how tactical these fights are...

  • @gonnabeadoctorsoon2
    @gonnabeadoctorsoon2 6 місяців тому

    Paused at 12:16 hoping for a Tactical Debrief on this one. Excited, still quite a few minutes.

  • @Spydr6684
    @Spydr6684 6 місяців тому

    16:09 And that’s how you get a lot of your wins in other videos, with the early turn reversal.

  • @kt3505
    @kt3505 6 місяців тому

    The diagrams are an awesome reference for us civilians!! Thank you!

  • @FurryButBald
    @FurryButBald 3 місяці тому

    Love the explanation and also the awesome examples

  • @badhabitsfr
    @badhabitsfr 6 місяців тому

    bro im a wanna be pilot and you have taught me so much from your videos i really do love your content🙏

  • @CivisMilitarum
    @CivisMilitarum 6 місяців тому +1

    Dang..... Tac View. Talk about nostalgia. ❤👍🏼

  • @Durpyhehe
    @Durpyhehe 6 місяців тому +1

    5:21 the brrrrrrt 🧴🍦😩😩

  • @blahblahblah23424
    @blahblahblah23424 6 місяців тому

    Offset 2-circle is great, but as you point out, it's straightforward for the rate fighter to counter. It would have been nice to see an example or two where the F-16 didn't fall for the offset, and get to see, idk, forcing an overshoot or some other tactic

  • @Danko05
    @Danko05 5 місяців тому

    Great video and great explanation GS.

  • @davidca96
    @davidca96 6 місяців тому +1

    MiG-29A is my favorite plane in DCS.

  • @8power0
    @8power0 6 місяців тому +1

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