Here’s Why We Should Be Very Worried About the New 2025 Porsche Boxster EV!
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- I have concerns! What are Porsche about to do to our beloved Boxster! There’s NO WAY it can be as a good with batteries!
Porsche! WHY?! Just when EVs are not catching on you risk one of your two sports cars!
Don’t hate me EV people but Porsche need their heads examining and I’ll tell you why!
#porsche #boxster #ev
1997: Boxster saves Porsche.
2025: Porsche kills Boxster.
Madness!
Then Boxter Kills Porsche
65 million years ago: Dinosaur extinction
Enthusiasts won’t be buying new cars. It’s a weird place to be in.
I think you nailed it!
Bullshit. I've been an enthusiast for 20 years and I'll put my name down when the books open.
@@EyesOnlyNL Good for you and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that. I don't know of many enthusiasts who are thinking the same however. Lots already own or are prepared to own an EV for A-B daily driving but hardly anyone I know is excited at the prospect of a silent sports car.
My fleet all > 20 years old… MX5, Wrangler, Mk5 GTi, Pulsar Sss… luv ‘em!!! Screw new crap!!! 👍😊
I have found myself looking up 2005-2015 Cars to buy. New cars are becoming so uninteresting
I am a Porsche enthusiast through and through. I own a 991.1 Carrera S. I cannot see me ever purchasing a new EV even if it's a Porsche. As a car enthusiast it is very sad to see the state of cars now. They have regressed back to basic transportation. I know there is a way to keep the ICE engines around and more efficient. The Porsche engineers have already created alternative fuels but the oil companies will not let that into mass adoption because of profits. Long live the Flat 6!!
There are zero 2 door sports cars that are EV available in the US at this time so it may be a way for them to attract a new generation or type of car enthusiast.
all the purpose of a sports car is gone with ev, stupid moves from these car companies, I know they're forced by crazy regulations but man....they ll all go bust if they don' t go back to proper engines. A sport car where you can't change gear and has no engine and exhaust sound...it's pointless, I'd neve buy one
I drove both 911 and 718 and I love them both but I prefer the 718. Current owner of a boxster s. I’m a typical Porsche customer. I went to my Porsche dealer 1 month ago to upgrade to gts 4, answer: we don’t build them anymore. The dealer was crying that he has not cars to sell. I’ll never buy a boxster EV, if doesn’t make sense to spend 100k on batteries. I’d rather buy a Chinese EV for moving around and a used gts 4 for weekends. I don’t think they have fully understood they are driving full speed against a wall.
I own and track a 997 GT3. I can't wait for a EV Cayman. Currently own a model 3 performance, and doubt I'll ever own an ICE car for daily drives again. Porsche will make some really fun EVs
Interestingly enough, the fastest Porsche ever made is an EV.
If Porsche wants to survive this technological revolution, the last thing they need to do is listen to the luddite crowd that's set in their ways and can't see past their own ego.
And yes, I used to own a Boxster S (now a Model S). I still remember people whinning and complaining when it made the bold move to sell SUVs + 4D Sedans, which saved the company.
I am old school. I want intake noise, exhaust noise and the smell of gas and oil. My MY03 Boxster S is a joy in my life. I don't want to drive a toaster.
I'm not bothered about the smell of gas and oil and in fact loathe the term petrol head. I would absolutely love it if carbon neutral or even carbon free fuels ever came to be commonly available. I too want the noise though and think that's the main draw of ICE sports cars and absolutely essential to their character.
Well, looks like it's worth spending a little on my 987.2 Boxster to make sure it lasts. It might not be that fast, but it's fast enough & handles like a DREAM!
987.1S owner here...thinking much the same. Only reason for me to think about the .2 is the newer engine - or perhaps 981 though I'm worried I won't enjoy the steering feel as much.
I have a 2008 cayman and short of me finding the money for 997 turbo… it’s possible it’ll be the last car I ever bought! The new stuff doesn’t interest me… and I so don’t want an electric car!!! So like u I’ll be spending my money on keeping up to spec 😌
@@gazman9468 While it's been too long since taking a 981 for a test drive to compare to the 987.2's steering, my M240i's decent steering is nowhere near as communicative as the Boxster's! I'd bet the 981 connects the driver to the road better than the BMW's, but I'd also bet that most drivers would think the hydraulic rack on the 987 is the best of all these
Porsche typically underestimates and overperforms. There are nearly 5 year old Taycans with >90% battery life remaining. I'm not old school but love my 2022 Taycan and while I paid only for the base battery, it approximates 230 miles range, 80% charged (280 miles/100%). My daily commute is 20 miles. Lucky, Im one of the minority that always charge in my garage. Unfort, EV infrastructure and auto emissions aren't getting any better in the US in the next 4 years.
You get it. Charge at home - convenient and cheaper. Especially if you have solar and a battery back up - you improve the value of your house and transportation energy is free.
Literally none of that is true!
Happened with my Tesla as well. I have a 2017 Model S 100D that's still at 92% max SOC, and the best part is the degradation curve is starting to taper off. To top it off I'm beating the hell out of this car with about 35K miles a year. I'm curious to see how far it will go but at this rate it might outlive me.
First Porsche I drove, was a 986 Boxster. Roof down enjoying that flat six.
Electric Boxster? No thank you
Same. Driving my 981.1S through the welsh hills on a summers day is one of my favourite driving memories ever. Without the flat 6 noise it would only have been 50% as good.
@@gazman9468 a981 S? Great car, mate. Enjoy 😃👍
@@daggidding4478 987.1S that was meant to say! Maybe a 981 or 718 in the future though...
Following my comment I made earlier. Official public statement from Porsche "The change to electric cars is taking longer than we assumed five years ago. We are therefore currently taking a very close, customer-oriented look at how we are positioning our portfolio."
Interesting!
In other words,they are getting cold feet about the transition based on customer feed-back.
Best news I heard today
Mazda will be selling Miatas to former Boxter owners 😊
You’re probably correct. They’ve become so expensive nobody can afford them .
Gross
@danescooper I wish Porsche well with their EV future, the Taycan is an owners' moneydrain and nightmare 🫣
Screw all the gas-lovers' comments. I'll trade the sweet engine noise for the much faster 0-60 performance of the Boxster EV and the glorious ability to drive over 100 miles for less than the cost of a gallon of gas! NO BRAINER 4ME!
Porsche will change course once they realize these things won’t sell. They’ve already announced scaling back EV production as every other car maker has done. EV’s are a joke.
I frequent car shows and no enthusiasts I’ve met want one of these
Well it’s not Porsches decision to make - you’re implying Porsche is voluntarily electrifying its range I.E. ignoring that for its largest market (western Europe) it has to build around 25% of its production as pure EV by law.
As EVs aren’t selling and manufacturers are having to swallow huge losses in crazy cheap lease deals in order to shift them, they logically want to electrify the models that they made the lowest profit margin on anyway. With ICE Boxsters and Caymans build- cost being around 90% of a 911’s but then only retailing at 70% of the price, it makes sense to electrify that model.
Porsche won’t be too worried about actual sales numbers to begin with, in order to meet legislation they just need to build and register one for every three 911s they can sell to balance the books.
That sounds like an argument to not build the Cayman at all! How do you know the build costs?
no... if they came this far for example discontinuing tons of their 718 models I think they mean business and won't go back easily...
just try to enjoy the ICE cars as if they are classic cars that might be the move
It is very likely that Porsche will change its strategy. Take the example of the Macan EV-it doesn't sell at all. As a Boxster owner, I would never replace it with an EV version.
I own a 718 Spyder, manual ….. 🥰🥰🥰
Would you recommend that I get a manual 718 or an automatic? I've never driven a manual before. My mom tells me that manual kinda sucks for city driving (I live in a big city). What say you?
I buy GTS’s for the noise. Electrics, well, they just don’t have the right noise for me.
5:29 A number of reviews done on the Porsche Macan Turbo EV said that even though it's heavy, it handles well. It even feels light on as feet, it's fast, and belies its weight.
Porsche made some vague comments recently that they *might* come out with an ICE Boxster/Cayman again. I'm guessing they have gotten some engineering done and are waiting to see what happens with the EV versions before committing/killing any ICE follow-ones.
I think they’d be wise! Hope springs eternal!
This what I’m hearing. The writing is on the wall…keep an ICE version just in case. Unless the battery weight cuts by half and the range doubles all porsche EVs will see the same fate.
Correct. Development issues and decline in EV sales made them reconsider this project I believe.
I'm praying for that. I want to buy a Boxster this year or next year! Will be my first sexy car. I'm not going to buy an expensive EV car -- EV cars are just basic driving boxes. The thrill of the hunt disappears.
You missed a couple of other points…. not only NO manual transmission, also no PDK, and lets not forget the Sound.
No sound.. no transmission, Heavy , NO GO!
those of us having a 4.0, never, please never give it away.
Amen! ❤️
As an owner of a GTS 4.0 I looking forward to the boxster EV, I will become rich😈
Jay, I think you are right on with both the weight and battery cost. The Boxster is probably the most "tossable" attainable sportscar on the road. Add 500 or more pounds and not so much. Then, ignoring anything but the 911 and Boxster, enthusiest owners want to keep their Porsche on the road forever. Owning a fully depreciated Boxster with the battery gone bad after 10 or 15 years and replacements having the "Porsche tax" applied just won't fly. Look at the Taycan depreciating by half in just 3 or 4 years. Who will want one at all after 10 years. To keep a Boxster EV viable in the long run Porsche should offer a VERY reasonably priced replacement battery exchange, something
No more Boxer engines? That's their iconic unique sound. Stupid move.
Great video essay, Jay, and I think you are accurately scratching the electric/ICE itch that so many of us are experiencing. Being a keen photographer too, this issue is reminiscent of the conversion from film to digital…and in the last few years the accelerated transition from DSLRs to Mirrorless designs. As I read somewhere recently, words to the effect of: “we all welcome progress but resist change”.
Hey thanks! I’m not sure that EVs in their current format are the progression that EV fanatics seem to think they are. That’s part of my point here. You’ll never convince, let alone mandate, people to change if it doesn’t work for them. Moreover, the purpose of this video was not just to have a whinge about EVs in their current format but really to talk about the concept of an electric Porsche Boxster, thought that appalls me if I am honest!
@@JAYREADWell said. Couldn’t agree more.
This is why I ordered my boxster S last August MANUAL
Came in 4 weeks ago
my first sports car
It has some crazy shit
GAUGES
KNOBS
BUTTONS
A GAS TANK
WITH THE OPTIONAL 160.00 gas cap😂
And it makes more noise than my x wife
Beyond perfect 👌
Hahahaha!
All your points are well taken, on Nov 5 I bought myself a 2016 Boxster 6sp, racing yellow with 57,000km (35k mi). Certainly don't want an EV and did not want the flat 4 turbo, want my Porsche to be a Porsche not like a Subaru WRX. I suspect that the car I bought being the last year of a flat 6 (affordable - a lot cheaper than the 4.0 of recent years) a manual will probably keep its value over the coming years (maybe even increase?)
It will! You bought THE model to buy!
@@JAYREAD In a perfect world I would have got an S but supply is very limited in Canada and most are base with PDK and either black, white or grey. Took me 2 years to find the perfect one. The car is pristine in every way, a perfect example, unfortunately it is now put away in storage for the winter as Toronto is too slushy in the winter but got to experience 2 1/2 weeks of pure driving enjoyment. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SPRING!
It’ll look good, be very well built as you said, and likely handle well for the very heavy car it’ll end up being. But with no flat-6 or manual option, it will be a soulless drone like the Taycan and almost every other EV. With maybe a synthetic flat-6 soundtrack pumped through the audio system 😬 I hate that! But with the younger generation weaned on driving video games all their life, growing up and entering the workforce (before AI ends up taking most people’s jobs anyway 😏) and being able to afford to buy one of these. They’ll probably be fine with that, as they don’t know any different. It’s us “olde world” petrolheads that will feel the loss the most I reckon.
A sports car is not an electric car ..... An electric car is not a sports car.
First of all, thx for good content on the Porsche line-up. Then to the case of the to-be Boxster/Cayman models. There is really no point trying to argue against the EV case. It is just a case of necessity (even for Porsche). We need something else than what we currently have, which to be frank - is something that have been diluted by environmental requirements for most of the 2000s - but really getting pushed since the EU6 directive came (which hit Porsches' 991 and 981 line-up). You can always close your eyes thinking that those products didn't suffer any major issues from the EU6 requirements, but you'd be wrong. We are seeing issues with these motors now that they have accumulated miles (piston blow-by leading to bore score, carbon build-up, excessive oil consumption+++). I have a 981 GTS myself that has seen its share of issues. I really can't see that the new 992.2 3.6 or 3.0 motors have fixed the core issues either (how do you fix carbon build up in a DPI motor without making it heavier, more complex or more costly - or all of these?).
Then to the EV argument, I think your train of thought is basically good - but in my records misses out one important factor. The case of ongoing R&D. We know that Porsche is one of the majority owners in one of the most promising SolidState battery companies in the US, Quantumscape - which will deliver its production version ready samples next year. These batteries will give the manufacturers much more freedom in the set-up of the car once it has an EV architecture. An as-is set-up of 400 miles can get 600+ miles with the same weight, or similar range with a lot less weight, 10-80% charge in around 12 minutes, less cold weather degradation and a lot less overall mileage degradation - in addition to push much more amps over longer time than current Li Ion versions . These SolidState batteries are also cheaper to produce - as they are anode less (yes, think a bit on that one). This is not hear-say. These batteries are coming soon! As Quantumscape says; The future is Solid!
Wonderful post! I was hooping that my polemic would provoke someone to post who knows more about it than me. Very interesting. Thank you! I will say, however, that I am still not sure that an EV is any fun! Just one bloke’s opinion though!
Guess what you absolute moron nobody wants EV get a brain just like LPG back in cars in NZ and Australia in the 90s
Thank you! I now drive 2016 Tesla ModelS, but my previous was a 2013 Boxster, which I loved like no other. Notes: Battery deterioration: I haven't noticed any. In the US, the Boxster EV can use Tesla chargers. Range is only an issue on really long trips, However.... One day, after 2 years with the Tesla, I went to a Porsche dealer and drove the 4 cylinder Boxster. It felt like driving a horse and buggy. The irritating noise of the 4-- why did they do that, no better mileage--and having to rev to get any power, turned my head around. The Tesla is so fast, instant power.. The only place the boxster--which would have to be a hybrid or a 6 cylinder---would be superior would be on that curvy mountain road with the top down. That ecstasy does not exist with the added weight of the Tesla. I didn't even like the Z4 because it weighed too much. So... can they keep the weight down? The superior power of the electric motor can make it feel lighter than it is--drive a stripped Tesla Model 3 and it will surprise you, especially in a mostly straight line-- but the instant handling when turning, that will be hard to duplicate. I hope they solve it. I believe in climate change, can't stand the idea of burning gas. But if the new EF isn't fun, I may buy a used 2014 Boxter.
the problem with climate change is you have to believe in it to think it`s true.
So glad I bought my manual '22 982/718 GT4 when I did!
Niiiiiice!
Even if they one day manage to make batteries light (and they absolutely will), there is one fundamental difference between a combustion engine and an electric motor that can´t be overcome: One has a heartbeat and even a soul. The other is soulless and completely uninspiring. I had a 986S many years ago, and nothing beats the scream of a flat six passing 7000 rpm and that won´t change no matter how fast the EV version is in a straight line. (Remember the 4-cyl fart-in-a-can Boxster engine? What a joke that was.)
Then add handling to the equation: I´m sure Porsche will make the EV Boxster/Cayman handle well, but (until they invent light batteries) it will be thru loads of tech and gizmos to offset the fact that a heavy sportscar is fundamentally a contradiction in terms.
I´m all for not polluting around me when enjoying a drive, but the EV craze has killed off both the fun of driving and the excitement of car design that I used to have.
Reality has caught up to Porsche though and they have backed out on their pseudomoralizing, green social credit bilge. They need a CEO that loves Porsche and loves the soul of actual Germans.
I agree! The new CEO needs to stop pretending Porsche is Ferrari too.
Bring it! It will only make my 987.2 manual's value go up!! 😄
True that!
I want a LIGHT car that is fun to drive and a manual gear box is a absolute demand for me. Also here we have long cold winters and long distances making electric cars pretty much useless. I would not buy a Porsche EV, it goes against all I want in a sport car and a Porsche....
The battery technology has inproved dramatically in the last 24 months, today, the $20 thousand BYD will go further than 350 miles and takes only 20 minuites to charge up to 80% capacity. That is the reason Porsche sales has dropped by 40% in China in 2-24.
BYD doesn’t compete with Porsche at all. People who buy Porsches aren’t going to suddenly buy BYDs just because of additional 80 miles of range or because they can get that for $20k.
I would bet that the best summary of the situation is the German car industry like lemmings just want to die And an EV boxter will do the job nicely😅
Luckily we live in an age of endless RestoMod Possibilities Because I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a 1978 porsche over 2025 porsche 911
Yup!
You missed depreciation if the 50% decline in the Taycan used values are anything to go by. Rumours are surfacing they might cancel EV 718 due to a lack of demand and put in a hybrid engine instead. This rumour came from the You Tube channel ‘behind the glass’ where they also said the same is true for Taycan and EV Macan. With their parent VW closing factories due to the whole EV debacle for all the reasons stated they will need to do something and this would make sense. I own a 4.0 GTS Boxster and couldn’t be happier.
Interesting! Hybrids make a lot of sense.
I own a 987.2 Boxster base. I will say this about electric cars. True Automobile enthusiast will understand this. Electric vehicles have no soul.
I have a 4.0GTS Boxster and would NEVER NEVER but an electric Boxster!
….what no milk float thank you
Big mistake Porsche. You should keep the engine!
Listen to president Trump!
EV's are DOA, they've maximized their place in today automobile society. Making the Macan only EV is insane, taking your high volume car and replacing it with an EV is suicide and adding the Boxster/Cayman to that stream just fuels the fire of their demise! I hear they are rethinking this EV nonsense, they should tell the EU to pound salt and move their deadline to 2050 and even that is too soon!
Great video Jay, and so true. They keep producing cars that governments want, not the customers.
My 981 BS will be staying. No contest between a 3.4 F6 and the dreaded EV ‘hum’. Happy to be a laggard.
You missed a big one: the competition. The Hyundai Ionic 5N has 600hp to all 4 wheels at a $70k sticker and it’s a track missile. Porsche can’t release an inferior product that costs more. So they’re between a rock and a hard place. To beat the 5N they need to have two motors and a lot of horsepower. But if they do that, they will outperform the 911. No wonder they have moved the release of the Cayman EV to 2027. I’m starting to think it will never happen.
I take your point but I’m not sure any Hyundai could ever be considered a superior product to a Porsche when viewed in the round. They compete in different spaces.
I’ll be keeping my 981, thanks.
Me 2
2014 981 S
I bought the 4.0 GTS to keep. The dealer was saying I could wait because the new electric boxster was being launched and he acted enthusiastic. The dealers need to in UK and Europe, as they have to sell a certain percentage of electric cars, so big discounts coming. I look at an electric 2 seater sports car as just a different thing. It will be compared to the tesla roadster and a short range is maybe ok if you are just taking it out for a play.
I think you made the best choice!
DOA “period (.)
I am already budgeting/saving for my 2010 Boxster 987.2 engine etc refresh….now at 145k, going strong (450 mile range), sounding great (SOUL competition two way exhaust)…sweeter than honey, and light & agile as Simon Biles. Note to Porsche CEO…cancel the Boxster/Cayman EV pig before it’s too late!
The porche electric cars are actually awesome. I can't wait to have smaller fast 2 door Taycan type vehicle
They really are. I just can’t see it working for most of their existing customer base for sports cars. A stark comparison would be the new Dodge Challenger. Going from a Hellcat to an EV isn’t very credible and is tantamount to starting again.
Every month that I learn to master my manual old-school 996.2, with its revs, gear shifts, and speed and incline considerations, the less I'm interested in electric.
You and me both!
All good points, especially on the battery. I wish the Cayman EV would look a bit like the Mission R.
Keeping my MT 987.2 S.I think the whole thing stops in ‘15 with the loss of the flat 6 (and
yes I have driven a 718 -very nice , but…)
i recently got an electric Taycan Turbo GT and despite its weight its faster than my GT3RS and handling is on par....so i wouldnt be too worried.
I would doubt, for all its ability to go fast in a straight line, that it handles as well as a GT3RS. No. I’ll carry on being worried if it’s alright with you.
I’ve driven 911s for 25 years. 7 911s including 3 GT3s. But they’ve become ridiculously expensive and they’re going EV. I just bought my first new Lamborghini V-10 normally aspirated Huracan Technica.
The reason Porsche was great was because although they were underpowered they were affordable . My 18 GT3 was $150,000 4 years later they wanted $275,000. With no power upgrade. Nobody charges more for less. I’m done with them. I have friends paying $250,000 for a boxster gt4 or RS spyder. If Porsche wants to charge me Ferrari McLaren or Lamborghini money, I’ll buy one of those with close to 700 horsepower.
Great perspective. Thank you for posting.
If Porsche goes full EV in any of their current ICE models cue up.....'Na Na Na Na. Hay Hay Good Bye.'
The Corvette E-Ray is the only way to go. Not a fully EV!
I share your worry ! At least for the moment I’m on the safe side with a 911 in my garage. It seems that quite a few 911 lovers stick to this model because of its history. Never mind if a Boxster or Cayman handles better (does it ?), the charm of a 911 is the concept : engine behind the rear axle and the unmistakable and everlasting silhouette. Last but not least, you can get a 911 with a manual (some versions at least) box. 😎
I think I‘ll pass and will just continue driving my 1976 G Model
Yes, this makes sense! Haha!
Agree with you 100%. I love my 2023 Boxster GTS 4.0 and have zero interest in replacing it with an EV. I drive it sparingly as it’s going to have to last me for some years to come. I see precious few new cars on the horizon that I’m excited about.
GTS is the best one really. I drove a Cayman version (see video I did) and loved it. Brilliant car. You are very lucky.
What is the main difference between the Boxster GTS 4.0 and the Boxster S? I'm working on my configuration to bring to the dealership, and I'm unsure which one to do
This could be the beginning of the end of Porsche as we know it.
Hi Jay, with you on this. I enjoy runs with the Porsche club in South Scotland throughout our country. Tight and fast a and b roads in the main, up to 30 cars on a run. My 987 boxster keeps up and performs as well as any of them, have only ever had, back end movement on loose or greasy surfaces. Thats amazing for a rear wheel drive car, we drive the cars flat out through the gears where possible, the handling is terrific and fills with confidence. Keep up the good reviews and perspective. Best Kirk.
Jealous. I want to drive through Scotland flat out in a Boxster! Thanks a lot, Kirk!
All this will end in a few years ,when most people come to their senses and refuse to be manipulated & controlled - oppressed ;there will be a BIG awakening .
@@notme4921 are we ever ready for that! Jees!
The ending of the ICE Boxster was the impetus I needed to order one
VW has enjoyed the dollar shower from Porsche margins growing through COVID. The rain of profits is ending, the market is not able to absorb the price increases. Porsche makes too many cars to survive on Ferrari - like sales quantities. Competition from good used Porsches is intense. Honestly, it looks like going electric is only going to make matters worse. Reviewers are dutifully shouting about how great the electric Macan is, but, that’s their job. Nobody asked for it. As long as we are free to find cheaper, and, more engaging alternatives, we will. It’s very sad all around. We adapt. Not so sure about many of these car companies, however. I think your analysis of the new plug in Boxster is spot on.
Jay, great observations about the new 718 EVs. Most Porsche sports cars are kept for many decades. An expensive battery replacement after 12-15 years will make this kind of tenure unrealistic financially. Furthermore, as you’ve stated, Porsche doesn’t want to challenge their very profitable 911 franchise with a faster 718. Thus, the 718 EV is not likely to have the performance that a Porsche EV could have. They could easily make the 718 EV faster than the 911, but they won’t.
They’ve just hinted that they may change their EV strategy, due to terrible sales. Including models that were set to go all electric. They didn’t specifically mention the 718 but fingers crossed
I would LOVE to have a two-seater EV Sports car that performs like a Boxster of old. But since a 718 EV that one can actually buy and drive doesn't yet exist, I'll keep my options open. Apart from weight, range, and battery life, there are apparently issues with the Swedish battery supplier and with the Rivian software to run things. But I really hope they pull this off.
In what world would a 911 need to 'compete' with a 718 EV? There is literally no competition, they are completely separate products for two different buyers. Saying that they compete in the same market is a massive disservice to the 911.
That being said, because its true, there is no reason the 718 EV cannot be quicker, because they don't compete with each other. As an EV enthusiast they simply do not compare to ICE vehicles for sportiness, and I don't care about 0-60 times anything in the 4s-5s ballpark is adequate. However... what you fail to see is EVs make much better daily drivers, much less of a hassle to own in town. No leaks, no oil changes, no stopping for fuel ever, always there always dependable always zero maintenance aside from tires.
There are several advantages that 'could' be implemented but aren't guaranteed to be. The first of which is if they choose to have two independent rear motors, they can implement perfect torque vectoring without a mechanical rear differential, which is a massive improvement to handling. Also EVs benefit from a lower CG benefits, obviously the instant torque, and never having to stop to fill up. Most don't realize how convenient the last point is.
718 EV is mostly for those wives that want a luxury convertible and don't care as much about 'peak' handling performance, more about the top down/balanced/luxury, and are more about the image of the vehicle. Range shouldn't matter much, ~200 miles is plenty to go anywhere to the edge of any town and back and you're back to full the next time you take it out. Also the Cayman will have access to the Tesla network at least in NA when it releases or soon after its release in late 2025.
I do hope they keep the weight under 3500 lbs though, because otherwise, what is the point?
Sorry to hear that you don’t agree with me that the Boxster hasn’t been allowed to compete with the 911. I’m afraid that has often been the case in the past though. I find the ‘it’s a car for wives’ notion a bit sexist to be honest and the ‘200 miles is enough’ argument to be short-sighted. You do you though.
The new electric Cayman/Boxster will be faster but it won’t be as fun!
All the more reason I'm hanging on to my 06 997 Cab 6MT. I was fortunate enough to buy it before covid when prices were still reasonable. In that time, it has almost doubled in price. I bought it for fun, not as an investment. But I will take that as a bonus. With the EVs becoming more prevalent, I see traditional ICE cars gaining in price in this market segment. Great, informative video. Thanks Jay.
❤️🙏
All great points Jay, I'll be sticking with petrol ones for now... Until the electric ones plummet in value due to terrible range from the aforementioned battery death (around 2035?) and then I'll get one just for commuting. Keeping my then vintage Boxster Spyder (which will be skyrocketing in value) for my drives in the Smokey mountains..
When driven hard my 97 boxster smells like a mixture of a 72 911 and my Dad's old Beechcraft Bonanza. The intake sound at 6500 rpm is delicious. Nothing more to say.
It'll be awesome. The Batteries will give it a really low center of gravity, they'll keep it as light as possible, but even if it's over 3000 pounds, it'll be so much more powerful it won't matter. I rented a 2020 911 Cabriolet for a week, and then swapped it for a Tesla Model 3 rental. It was a night and day difference. The Tesla felt faster, was much easier to drive, and was just a lot more fun to toss around. It was like a giant go-kart. The 911 felt heavy and slow.
So imagine Tesla like performance in a small Porsche tuned sports car. It won't make the same noise, and you can't shift it, but it'll be the car to beat... if they do it right.
Honestly, does Porsche even care about enthusiasts, or Porsche loyalists? If they did, they'd let you buy a 911 with a stick.
This is just an opinion, right, but a Tesla is the car enthusiast’s equivalent of a fridge. A commodity that gets you from A to B. A Porsche should stir your core. Make the small hairs on the back of your neck stand up and inadvertently make you bilge out a very rude word in amazement. Whilst the performance may contribute to that, the lack of a gearbox and the inability to disguise the physics of weight will mean that it too will be a white good.
@@JAYREAD How much time have you spent driving a Model 3? Or a Plaid? If you haven't, you need to try it.
@@SoCalVipers Have you driven a Porsche? I’m not being rude, seriously. There’s no way the two even compare.
@@JAYREAD Did you read what I wrote? Yes, I drove the 911 and the Model 3 back to back.
@@SoCalVipers Enjoy! I’m not here to argue with anyone.
Big mistake going all EV in the Boxster. It will kill the car. Everything you don’t want in a sports car. Like the three eggs, too bad.
I’ve already dipped my toe with a P90D Tesla S. Sold it after a year for a 991.1 Carrera S. The feel of speed is very different than just going fast. No matter how pretty, EV’s are boring. Long live the flat 6!
I’m sure the EV Boxster will be fine, fun to drive,etc., because it’s a Porsche. However, I’ll keep my base 718 turbo because there will never be another sports car like it and it’s special. Simple, light, quick and a handling masterpiece. They’ll never replicate the sensation in an EV.
We own a Taycan Turbo, and I'm looking forward to learning more details about the EV Cayman/Boxter. I have a Corvette for the manual transmission experience.
I'm good with 150-200 miles of range from an EV Cayman...I'd never take a car like this on a long road trip. If Porsche can keep the weight down to around 3,500 pounds or less, with 450 horsepower at the rear wheels, it will be a candidate for my daily driver.
Charging at home is a game-changer, and I've never been a fan of Porsche's six cylinder noise. I'll take instant torque and near-zero routine maintenance. Comparing EV batteries to cellphone batteries is not valid. Your cellphone doesn't have liquid cooling to prolong battery life.
You are a good example of how the EV models are brining in new customers to the brand. If it works for you, is it really a bad idea for Porsche? Probably not. Most Porsche fans, however, like the Porsche six cylinder noise. As ever with big car companies (e.g. Land Rover with the old Defender versus the new one), it is not always the existing customers that sustain a company.
Is Porsche really a “sports car company at heart”? Once upon a time, absolutely, but now they are an SUV company at heart with a sideline in sports cars.
Fair point!
Wonder if they just want to be a luxury brand now (like Apple?)? I have a Porsche for the connection I feel when driving mine (which is why I own a flat6 Porsche with manual transmission).
@@brianbirkinbine2054 Me too. Brilliant driving experience with the NA flat 6, manual gearbox and PSE. Can’t imagine ever wanting to sell it. 😀
You hit the nail on the head, Stephen. I’ve been a Porsche enthusiast for forty years and seen them go from a sports car company to a SUV company. That said, Porsche would not have survived without that. The Cayenne saves the company. For me, the magic in the car has always been in its balance and weight. I loved the compact size of the previous generation 911s but today, they are a huge vehicle which is why I migrated my love affair to the 718. What was frustrating though was Porsche’s refusal to optimise the 718 platform to protect the 911. I have, however, finally found nirvana in the final iteration of the 718 which is the Spyder RS. Unless you’re driving the Nurburgring every second day, the Spyder RS is the best road going Porsche I have ever driven. The road focused build has made this one of the greatest road cars the company has and probably will ever build. It’s very light, relatively small and with the GT3 block in it, amazing on the road. How on earth is Porsche ever going to get an EV to match this experience when what makes this car great are the characteristics that EVs cannot replicate?
@@klkh2002 Totally agree. I think that Porsche realised that protecting the 911 platform by not fully exploiting the potential of the Boxster/Cayman may have made some sense when the 911 was not so different in size to the Cayman (996 and 997 particularly), but once it became so bloated (992) then it was quite apparent that there was less direct competition between the Boxster/Cayman and the 911. When a 981 or 718 Cayman is parked next to a 996/997 then it’s obvious that they are the true successors to the original 911 concept except that they are blessed with the natural advantages of the mid-engined layout. The more road-focused suspension settings of the Spyder RS in comparison to the GT3 RS and GT4 RS makes for a sublime real-world driving experience. And the lack of the extreme aero bodywork allows the elegance of the Boxster design to be fully appreciated (the ducktail is gorgeous). The 911 cabrio (for those seeking an open air sports car driving experience) looks almost ugly next to a Boxster - they never really got the styling of the rear end right in my opinion.
How many miles do you drive your current Porsche in a day? Battery range and longevity isn’t a big issue for most and even when you charge , it charges faster then most EVs. It would be even less of an issue if the US was more supportive of charging when traveling as you find in Europe. Either way, the German cars (MB included ) get battery management much better then Tesla and others
Like everyone, I do a range of journeys from very small to very long and I want my car to be able to cope with all of them. Battery longevity very much is a real issue. Moreover, the largest issue is that no one wants an EV. They’re not selling. Especially Taycans and even the new Macan. Disastrous decision on the part of Porsche from which I am sure they will backtrack. Look out for more hybrid cars coming.
@ having own several EVs now, I disagree with you. And they are selling in Europe and China if not as much here. Your argument reminds me of the people who thought it was horrible when Porsche left air cooled engines
@@andypyatt2783 no equivalence there. The 996 greatly outsold all of its air cooled counterparts which, I’m afraid, isn’t the case with Taycans. Perhaps things will change and you will be right in the long run but, right now, that’s where we are and to go all EV for one range is a mistake in my view at least (and indeed perhaps at most!). Happy New Year anyway! Doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things! It’s just a video!
@ haha… it is true that we often debate things that are really out of our control. For now at least the McCann is available in gas or electric. I feel like they are kind of small to be much of an SUV anyway. I wonder how Taycan sales compare to Panamera sales although I will say that it doesn’t affect me enough one way or the other for me to look that information up. Either way, I enjoy your content, even if I don’t agree 100%. They do make an awesome vehicle!!
@ oh they do. Honestly, I loved the Taycan. Effortless and divine to drive. Thanks for the nice thoughts. Trying to create a place where people can disagree and still laugh about it. All the best!
I just picked up a 2025 Cayman GTS with manual transmission. Now the trick is making it last 30 years. I'll rebuild the engine, twice, three times, before I ever buy an electric Porsche or any electric car. Car's aren't telephones. The soul of a car is its motor. The flat-6 is what makes Porsches great. PS. Western NC and Eastern TN are my two favorite places to drive! The hiking is pretty good too!
100%! ❤️
I got a ‘24 Cayman GTS but opted for the PDK - hearing all the comments about the manual transmission is giving me the nagging feeling of having missed the mark. However my Porsche sales associate of around 30 years’ experience assured me that the PDK’s definitely re-sell at higher price points. He had no dog in the fight - either decision was OK w/ him - & that’s what he said. At least I know my wife can drive me in an emergency, & my daughter will find it drivable if & when it gets bequeathed to her. I’ll just have to stick by those rationalizations 😂 & enjoy the fact that the PDK gears don’t have to wind out nearly as long (if normal mode’s in force). Hearing that gorgeous rev-matching at 5th, 6th & 7th without attracting the township’s official attention is a plus.
I have a 718 Spyder with a manual. This is my weekend car and always will be. It think fun weekend cars should always be powered by gas…they have more soul and passion. My weekday car is the new Tesla Model 3 Performance…it’s great for the day to day stuff. I don’t understand why Porsche is making an electric weekend car??? I would never buy one.
Good to hear from an owner of both! I think you nailed the use cases!
I will go back to MX5, never EV Boxter!
here`s my prediction: the new EV boxster/cayman series is going to make porsche`s former switch to four cylinders for the 718 model range look like an unmitigated success story.
I've seen it a number of times because I live near one of their road test routes. First thing is it's tall. I sat next to it at a junction and the driver's head was at the same level as mine in a Citroen saloon. If I'd been in my 987 he'd have been towering over me. Of course the worst thing along with the weight is the lack of a wailing exhaust. Silent sports cars? I suspect that in the same way the 718 marked `the end` of the 6cyl Boxster Porsche will suddenly change their minds and ICE Boxsters will miraculously appear again. They've already backpedalled on their EV switchover plans. Fingers crossed.
Tried to pre-order the E-Boxster, no response or timeline from Porsche. Forced me to go to MG to beg for their open top gangster - delivery also delayed until further notice. Whoever's first on market gets my money to get rid of my M3P.
Leave the ICE's to ancient dinosaurs who love exhaust fumes, stupid noise, absurd servicing bills and lousy performance...
….ability to fill up in 3 minutes, heritage, longevity, passion etc. Quite right, leave us to it! I wouldn’t buy a Chinese MG if they were giving them away!
Everything car related has gone to crap. Roads, traffic, cameras, cars, insurance, the government, tech, spying tech, lexisnexis, etc. Im fed up with it all.
Not EVERYTHING! Come on!
@JAYREAD okay, maybe not the car related content. And there are still good country roads out there.
One only needs to look at the dismal sales and depreciation of the Taycan and EV Macan (upcoming) to predict the success of the EV Boxster/Cayman. The EV vehicle and infrastructure technology is not ready (range, weight, charging time, battery service life and disposal cost, life cycle cost, etc). 0-60 times are not enough of an enticement to sell an exorbitantly priced, overweight, underperforming, “sports car” to a very small niche market segment. Is it too late for Porsche to reverse course on this EV insanity and avoid bankruptcy?….hard to say. I’ll keep my 987.2 Boxster with Soul exhaust (ahhhh, that intoxicating sound), 3k lb weight, 450 mile range, 5 minute refueling time (everywhere), manual trans, great reliability, and mostly pure affordable driving enjoyment. A sad day for Porsche!
EXACTLY!
Hey Jay! Thank you, your videos are always awesome! i recently read an article that Porsche due to poor sales of the Taycan, they will be scaling back their electric cars. I predict that they will come out with an ICE Taycan. so, their will be an electric Boxster/Cayman but i dont think they are going to replace it entirely. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Let’s hope! Isn’t an ICE Taycan really just a Panamera? Actually, I really loved the Taycan when I tried it. Bloody fast! Let’s see anyway! Electric Boxster 🤮
I'll be holding onto my 981 like grim death.
I will buy the new box yet if it comes electric
So, Porsche says the Macan will retain 70% of its battery capacity through 8 years. Isn't that the same as saying the battery will lose 30% of its capacity after only 8 years? Who would buy a used one?
Indeed!
EV vs 4 cylinder - I’ll take the EV for the same price or lower. Quite excited about it for a first EV.
We're in the twilight years of the enthusaist car era as far as Im considered. I just bought the c8 z06 and while i absolutely love it, I cant forsee any new cars (let alone EV"s) that will match the enjoyment and engagement the Z provides. I pretty much know at this point, my next enthusiast car will be an older one
I think you’re right although I hope and pray that synthetic fuels will save us!
I owned a taycan, had a 718 at same time. Found i hated going out in the Taycan and was always using the boxster . After a year of software faults i got rid of the taycan. Thankfully in 2021 so i lost just 2000 pounds. I tried the MG Cyberster recently, sadly again 1st too small for a 6ft guy 2nd platform of batteries is just not what a sports car should be. Too high too heavy. I am not sure how the Electric Boxster will be able to overcome the laws of physics. I dont think it will and so will end up like another car i owned briefly in the last 2 years, a BMW Z4. A good GT car but not a sports car. It will look good but wont be as fun.
My fleet all > 20 years old… MX5, Wrangler, Mk5 GTi, Pulsar SSS… luv ‘em!!! Screw fat over complicated massively expensive new crap!!! 👍😊
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The sick part is - when I took biology years ago CO2 was called the “molecule of life”. Whenever there’s more of it the planet is greener and healthier. Even today, the slight increases in the gas has greened the planet especially in more arid regions - since higher levels of CO2 means plants need less water to thrive. Did you know greenhouses add CO2 to boost crop yields? The entire planet has seen the same effect. More CO2 is net beneficial to earth. The only reason for the net zero insanity is to hurt Russia - as their strategic advantage is energy. Hopefully Trump will end the madness in the USA.
I wouldn’t rely on Trump to fix literally anything. The man is an incompetent buffoon with multiple personality defects. That said, pollution is caused by humans not cars. The more humans you have, the more waste there is. Fewer humans is the answer.
I'm thinking of waiting for solid state batteries before buying an EV. I'm also not ready to give up a manual yet. Perhaps those two things coincide one day.
Think I'll be keeping my low mileage manual 986 3.2S thanks. The engine is a huge part of the enjoyment of driving the car.
Beautiful design. However, I sure hope they make it backwards compatible when the inevitable 😉 need arises to convert it back to ICE. Then it can use cheap/clean synthetic fuel 🐝 🌺 🌞 🌳. What a weight savings that will be, all the while being so much kinder to Mother Nature!
I would never buy a electric sportscar, then I would rather buy an old one. No wonder the older 911 are increasing in value.
I've been a Porscheholic since 1958; the models you can maintain with basic tools and a timing light. These ev models have all the appeal of a new refrigerator. No soul just an appliance with all the gadgetry that makes driving boring. Hopefully Porsche comes up with a viable syn fuel for the faithful.
I’m hoping for that too.
You can just purchase the 2025 Boxster with the 2.5 flat four! Stay away from the EV’s and maybe they pump the brakes on producing them.
Lots of FUD here. Plus your arguments actually work in favor of a Cayman EV:
1) balance: EVs are supremely balanced, even moreso than a mid engine flat 6.
2) quirkiness: unaffected by being an EV.
3) size/weight: Yes batteries are heavy, but it's Porsche, the world's best engineers, and will address this.
Lastly, they have to evolve and wouldn't dare take the risk on the 911. It only makes sense to push into the future and take risks on the Cayman.
Give Porsche the benefit of the doubt here. They have always made timeless sports cars and always will.
Meh. We will see. Weight though. Hmmm.
I'm driving an EV as a loaner car while mine is in for service. Until manufacturers can make them for $50,000, charge in minutes, not hours, and 500 miles of range, I think they are doomed to be a sales success.
I think the same!
500 miles range? That is a bit extreme. None of my cars, all ICE, have that range. Neither does my bladder… 😮