IT'S BEGUN! The Motorcycle Market CRASH of 2025
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No the problem is the damn motorcycle manufactures. Stop making the same old boring shit from year to year and design something new. I just bought the Cfmoto 450 Ibex which is new here in the USA. They are selling quicker then people can put deposits on them. I had to buy mine out of state and the dealer I bought mine from got 5 in 2 days before I called and I got the last one already. It is simple make some thing new and at a good price and people will buy it. What is the point of going and buying a new Harley for the same cost as a damn car and get all the same features and design as they did 10 years ago????
Actually, that is not true because there is only one other 450 class adventure bike and that is by Honda it is called the NX500 and is only $500 more, Also the manufacturers are being completely stupid by up charging more money for minor only update and theme color changes then adding a whopping $500 plus to the price, something else other people do not consider is the insurance is staggeringly high that is the biggest reason why people don't buy motorcycle and would much rather get a car especially for younger drivers it can be as much as over $150 a month up to $300 if on financing pre month just for insurance, And it doesn't help when finance companies are charging a freaking arm and a leg they're getting just as bad as loan sharks nowdays and it is not the only industry that's starting to crash so is the car/truck market is also getting there too the same with credit cards seriously who the hell charges over 30%, Also I should point out something to you when you're wrong about TF moto if you'd bothered to even look many of the dealers out there have bike models going back as far as 2021 that have never been sold, The one thing that CFmoto does sell a lot of is ATVs and Utv's here in US. One other thing that manufacturers could do to improve this whole situation is make longer warranties at least give a minimum of three years.
Cfmoto is selling not bc they are some new innovation to motorcycles. They are selling bc they are cheap. If a comparable Kawasaki or Suzuki motorcycle was in the same price range, cfmoto wouldn’t even be a thing..
Thanks for supporting China! The Communist Party thanks you!
@@skynative0099 Indeed. CF moto is a Chinese company, and we know how poorly paid their workers are. Not saying they aren't good bikes, they might be. But like so many things, the market is being undercut by cheap Chinese labor.
I totally agree. Also, the Chinese are making decent bikes at a better price point,and the Indian company Royal Enfield is also producing a great bike at an affordable price.
Stop charging $13.000 for a flipping dirt bike and $35.000 for a damn road bike that's what the damn problem is. It's daylight robbery.
go back to 2 stroke MX bikes
What % of dirt bikes are actually $13,000 OTD?
@@yellowmeansfaster KTM
Buy smaller simpler bikes and ride the hell out of them like the in old days
Bikes haven't actually gone up relative to their counterparts in previous time periods when accounting for inflation and cost of living. The problem is wages have stagnated and things that are deemed "unnecessary" and/or "hobbies" or expensive toys seem a lot more out of reach.
Perhaps if they stopped adding functions / gadgets that nobody asked for in the first place, they could keep the costs down - Royal Enfield have managed it.
Sure, mandatory safety & environmental features all cost cash, but the rest of it is mainly waste that will never be used.
The Companies seem to be trying to tell us what we want, rather than giving us motorcycles we need.
100% agree with you, they're trying to sell bikes the same way they sell cars. Gadgets galore!! The mistake they've made is bikes can feel good with a Speedo and rev counter, they don't NEED all the trinkets which are being pushed at us. A shagged out car design might need the toys to get it to appeal to a buyer.
But a basic bike can make your day, so, invest in better components, brakes, engine response, suspension even mpg if you will but make them cheaper with fewer tft's etc. and drop the purchase price. That's the way forward!
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You mentioned Trump tariffs. As I’m watching this he has been president for two weeks and no tariffs have gone into effect. Ridiculous. It’s also February and winter. Here in the northeast, you can’t get most Japanese brands. Premium brands such as Harley, Ducati and BMW start at 20 and go to 40k. Young people don’t ride. They play video games.
trump berg is the best..Put on your mask
I was going to make a comment similar to this. The dude has been in office for 3 weeks, and his tariffs (that never went into effect) are to blame while the narrator explains that this problem has been coming for years.
This is liberal propaganda
Not to mention there isn't a bike worth over 20K out there. I'll keep riding my 2002 model
Did you forget that it’s 2nd Trump term? He enacted tariffs during first term.
This happened in 1981.
Hold onto your money.
In the next several years there will be bargains galore.
Only in the USA and nowhere else.
@@migueruta australia too
In 1981 I bought my 1st New bike - Yamaha XS650 Special - I got them down, to Out the Door price (Tax, Title, Dealer prep - the WORKS) for $2000. My buddy Tommy wanted the 4 cylinder 650 Maxim (he paid $26000 OTD) - I couldn't justify that much of an increase - granted it didn't have as much vibrations, but NO.
@@olafmoon329 I had no idea. Good for them unless the neverending plague of aussie w0k3ness vilifies men for driving motorcycles, because they consider it «toxic masculinity».
Boomers are retiring in record numbers. Unable to use their toys, the market will be flooded with used bikes, boats, jet skis, etc.
If you have to finance a motorcycle you can't afford it.
Said a jobless millennial still leaching off their aging parents and still living in the basement 😂😂😂😂
@@flukyreview9128 Its true.
If you cant buy it, you cant afford it.
or anything
Not everyone had that kind of money in their back pocket mr Smartbud just because you got a big fat paycheck the rest of the world does not
True enough. Motorcycles are toys. Unless you could get one affordably, you couldn't justify spending the $$$ if you didn't have it to spare. I bought my first NEW motorcycle in 2018 because there was nothing I liked in the used market. Up to then, I always bought used.
One of the things being missed here is the coming end of the Boomer Pension era, where new Pensioners had money to splash out living the dream.
Those of us coming up to retirement now are having to ask ourselves how we are going keep our existing machines on the road, or whether we continue at all, given the rising costs of ownership.
The next generations of Pensioners are looking at how they can settle the rising costs of living bills before anything else - it’s all about priorities.
60's guy here. Old style pension is dead. They changed mine from old style to 401 k in the early 2000's
Greedy corporations! STUPID!! When will they learn?
@RogerWhite-r4b They will only learn when dealerships and warehouses are full of their unsold motorcycles and products.
Buy used for now.
In the next few years there will be huge sales on new leftovers.
That went on for several years after the motorcycle sales crash in 1981.
In 1985 I bought a "new" crated 1981 Yamaha 1100 Special for $2,000.
From a dealership going out of business.
That bike retailed for just over $5,000 new in 1981.
Never
@@paulwojnar2291 Now THAT sounds like something to watch out for in the next few years. I thought I did pretty good in 1981 getting an XS650 Special OTD for $2000.
They're learning right now, but it's a hard lesson.
I ride but my bike is 21yrs old my newest bike was a 2010 r1. I refuse to buy a bike newer than 2015. This is a good video. The one thing this video missed is the fact that they put more and more none needed accessories on motorcycle that spike up the price
Thank you, I agree the added accessories definitely inflate the price.
Yup, I have 3 motorcycles and the newest is a 2003. Motorcycles are VERY durable goods and thus can last a really long time.
@@ironcast yea right even though they have become a liability
@ no issues there for me.
@skylark17 they are a liability because of the rider. As a motorcycle tech I have seen a ton of new riders wreck because they think the rider aids will keep them from going down
What has this to do with Trump. These are Biden economics.
No it’s not political, choice of second hand car that is 12 months a year and holds friends or solo same price motorcycle.
MAYBE IF THEY MADE SOME BIKES THAT WERE NOT SO UGLY AND DISGUSTING LOOKING THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. THEY TOOK A WORLD OF BEAUTIFUL MOTORCYCLES
AND TURNED THEM INTO DISGUSTING LOOKING INSECTS . WHEELS TOO SMALL , HEADLAMPS TOO SMALL JUST PLAIN STUPID LOOKING
Just a few years ago a new 125cc was less then £3,000. That was costly, but not impossible. Today? £5,500... for a 125cc! Motorcycles are no longer a cheap, fun option. They have priced beginners out of the market, and those are the ones that would have been buying these bigger bikes in the future. This is only going to get worse!
Dealers also keeping used prices really high- In July 2023, I bought a 2018 Triumph Tiger 800 for £7500. Same model, similar mileage and spec still nearly £7k at the dealers! Of course the trade-in on mine is likely to be waaaay less, with a mountain of reasons!
I bought a brand new Lexmoto 125cc in 2016 for £1,000 OTR. Sold it a few months ago for £550
@@DevonDuffers If you had sold back to a dealer, it would have been on the forecourt the next day for £950! ;-)
@ I saw a mint Lexmoto Milano which I nearly bought for the same price, being advertised for £1,200 on eBay
PRICING THAMSELVES OUT OF THE MARKET.
EPA standards are helping kill a lot of manufacturing.
you mean caving into the EU regulations.
@@joemann3536 true. Unfortunately my country is affected by their laws. They are puppets and well, nothing nice to be said about them. Buirocrat species. Most useless and wasted form of human life
Thank the demonrats. Let's go Brandon. Trump tariffs haven't started so don't try to blame him.
They jammed a whole bunch of tech nobody actually needs to ride and enjoy a motorcycle. Manufacturing costs also skyrocketed. Put two of those together and you have an unaffordable toy. Everyone is in a pinch right now.... they should be pushing sales as affordable transport, getting behind insurance companies to reduce their costs... make it a cheaper alternative to a car by owning a pocket rocket and you will get new riders crawling out of the woodwork... but no.... they keep making them more unattainable.
I like how you said Trump tariffs were part of the problem with sales. He has only been in office for 2 weeks. What about the Biden Harris admin.? What a joke.
Trump tariffs? This AI guy is stupid.
When I was in south east Asia the local kids could buy stripped down ( no plastic fairings ) 125 cc . they had road racer gangs and have the time of their lives. That’s pure motorcycle life
The biggest problem I have seen over the past year as a Harley salesman is that most people can't even get approved for a motorcycle loan even if their income is well above what is needed. I keep seeing people getting hit with needing $6,000 plus down with a $600-$800 monthly payment. Lenders aren't even giving people a chance to get one. The car industry is the same way now.
Your 💯 correct.
That’s insane smh what state you work in ?
That is true but... if the prices were lower, there would be a lot higher rate of acceptance. It all works together but the starting point is the price tag.
Harley's finance arm must have just started to crack-down - they had so many repossessions, that they couldn't hire enough re-po men.
@@gregabell4799 I had a neighbor years ago that did repossessions and he said the motorcycles especially Harleys were the hardest and the most dangerous to take custody of.
I am an instructor at a trade school, and I interact with young people all the time. What I have found out is, they are just not interested in purchasing a motorcycle. They tell me they cost too much and are not practical. The only motorcycles I see at the school belong to the few instructors who ride. It's sad really.
Treating your customers like mugs is not helpful.
I understand I’m talking about decades ago, however, my first home I purchased in 1972. A 3200 square foot home 10,000 square foot yard, a three car large garage. The home was a 4 bedroom and den with a dining room plus central air system. Cost me less than a Harley Davidson street glide. This is why nobody in their right financial mind would or could buy any overpriced motorcycle. The interest rates the banks hold are totally ridiculous and help price most out of the buyers market. Then we have the worst insurance rates, even though one has a great driving record. No! I’ll keep what I got. It will do just about anything the new junk can’t do. With out braking down. The bike manufacturers are very greedy and don’t care about the rider or future riders. They only care about the folks who hold stock in their company. It’s all about the buck. Screw the buyers.
The crash has bitten hard in the UK. You can pick up a new Nightster for £8k, a BSA 650 for half that, and a Royal Enfield 650 for not much more. This has sent used values off a cliff. Dealers just want to shift inventory and keep the lights on.
Very simple!!! People can’t afford a $20k-$30k-$40k motorcycle.. those prices are ridiculous and just plain stupid. I bought my 2008 Honda cbr1000rr for $7400 out the door in 2008. I sold it 2 years ago for $7500!!!!!!😳
The monthly payment on one of these bikes is like a mortgage payment
Yes but the payments are not for 30 years on the bike. 😉
They are all overpriced
My solution is to buy and hoard as many bikes as possible while the used market is so cheap! Yeah, that'll work....
I watched the first 3 minutes but you did not actually say anything, you just waffled on.
and went on to say it over and over
haha , same same
You lost me at "Trump tariffs". He has only been in office for 3 weeks at this point. This is thanks to Democratic leadership. You thought you could just slip that in???
Trump tariffs will make it worse. All this bad economic is due to the bad leadership of the orange man before he left office by doing absolutely nothing. This is all the aftermath of his leadership.
Yeah he lost me here.
Yeah, that's BS! The economists have been wrong all along and Trump has been right!
Trump tariffs? What a clown comment.
$30,000 + for an $18,000 bike. Oil change service charges at $1000+ , Honda. Yamaha, Suzuki were all at one time an affordable bikes. Now look at HD $35,000 bikes Honda $30,000+ Indian $30,000 10 to 19% financing . The HD 114 motor so over priced Go buy a Yamaha Stratoliner 1900 cc for 5 grand. or The VTX 1800 Suzuki C109 1700cc these 3 bike will out last HD or Indian and keep $18,000 in your pocket ... it will uy you lots of hambugers and hotel rooms.
CASH you gotta pay cash
They'll probably EASILY out-last a Harley, but an Indian? No Way!
Yes manufacturers are making bikes that are Ugly. Expensive. Uncomfortable. Costly to maintain.
Another sign is independent motorcycle garages closing. The only one in my town of 150,000 closed its doors for lack of business.
Yes, it's tough out there right now.
Technology is becoming too advanced for independent shops . Need more trained mechanics in the new technology.
Think it depends on region.
In CA motorcycling is alive and well, younger riders coming into the hobby/sport as well. Good shops are booked up in advance, dealers usually loaded out weeks of backlog. Note: we have amazing yr round weather, scenery and the best roads in the world.... this is why.
Anywhere cold half of the year or super flat it doesn't make sense to spend on bikes.
Stay in Cali ! 👍@@englishsteel-nz6im
when a single cylinder 650 dual sport costs over $7K sorry I'm out. In the 80's I had 3 new Ducatis in the garage,now It would be difficult to afford 1
25k for a Triumph scrambler ,i walked out when he told me that
Make the financial aspect more appealing rather than screwing everyone up. Now this is the repercussions of corporate Greed. Say hello to karma 👋 🤔🤔🤔
The new Harleys cost about three times what they're worth
You are right on one thing, prices are out of control. Right now it’s better to buy a used bike since you can pick up used bikes for pennies on the dollar. I did buy a new bike in 2021, a BMW R18 Classic cruiser. Since it’s a very niche bike, got mine brand new for 13.5K USD out the door with 0.9% interest.
No one wants overpriced, technically overstuffed, much too quiet bikes that no normal person can wrench on. The prices for old Harleys or British Bikes even Japanese Classics (pre 90s) wont fall.
A lot of that Modern stuff like digital things don't cost that much and they still jack the prices. I take care of 14 Bikes.
Greed is the most common company policy . Yet is not written down on paper . Learn to recognize it .
I have to have a motorcycle with radar vision - forget the fact I already have 360-degree unobstructed view. Oh - I also need a motorcycle that has a seat height so high - that I need a hydraulic lowering system to place my feet on the riding surface when stopped. Gotta have an automatic transmission - even though I love working a clutch. It just keeps going - manufacturers are stupid - and what about that $1500 suit I need to buy to look cool. 🤮
A bit of an overstatement to say buying a bike feels like buying a luxury car 😂
The secret to buying is buying a motorcycle that is NOT brand new. Love what you ride. I have a 2002 Street Glide 95 CI and a 2008 Suzuki Hyabusa 1340 CI. They ae not new, but they are amazing !!
Motorcycles have become obscenely expensive. The author tries to blame Trump tariffs? He's been in office three weeks, so it's not tariffs. The author is eager to blame the POTUS.
Used to be a great way to save money on fuel and enjoy a nice day ride.
I'm sticking to my old FJ1100 which is classed as historic in the UK. I have a ton of spares for it, consumables are still readily available and the insurance is dirt cheap in comparison with it's age and value over new bikes. Belonging to an owners club also benefits from a pool of knowledge shared amongst many.
You called Royal Enfield a "smaller brand", checkout there annual sales, they have been an unstoppable success story in the UK.
in-ven-tory
When the financial rates come down people will buy. Not Harley!
Funny because the local dealer to me is killing it in sales. Side by Sides and Bikes, they are moving a good bit of inventory even in the winter. Here's a thought - I've walked into a Indian/BMW/Royal Enfield dealer, strolled around the entire showroom for a good 20 minutes or so plus some of the used stuff. Never ONCE was I asked what I was looking for, interested in, etc. Everyone was to glued to their phone screens. So simply just walked out and will never visit again. Go to a "chain" store who sells Honda/Yamaha/Kawi/Triumph. Walk the entire store like a ghost. Nobody ask any questions, or anything. Finally I find someone to ask "hey, I'm interested in a Triumph Daytona." His reply: "we've never had one, and we don't plan to order one." WTF? You sell the Street Triples, but not the full fairing version? And refuse too? Bleh. So next I walk into my local dealer (kawi/Can-Am/Suzuki) and they greet me as I walk in, ask if I need anything/interested in/etc. I've bought 3 bikes from them, and never once have I been asked to pay over MSRP or any BS fees. It's tax+Title +bike and you're out the door. MLS Powersports in Georgetown KY If anyones interested.
Now lets look at the bikes themseelves. Why has cruise control not trickled into the 600-900 category? That's a very nice selling feature that shouldn't be liter bikes only. Odd-ball engines. 2 and 3 Cylinders to meet EPA regulations are honestly going to scare off people from a new bike. More so on the sport bike side of things. The pure sound of a 4cylinder high revving sport bike is bliss. A Kawaski sounds weird with it's 2cylinder, the Suzuki is odd sounding at the low RPMs as a 2 cylinder (but their upper rpm range is a lot better sounding) the Yamaha and Triumph 3 cylinders sound interesting, but not bad. However they just don't have that baby f1 engine sound of a fast revving 4cylinder. And then there's the cost.... I paid 8500 for my 8R new, with a MSRP of 10K. Bought it towards the end of summer. No way would I have given 10K for it. It's a great bike, but it's not a 10K great bike. 8500 is a perfect price for it. But when you can pick up a R6, Ninja 600, GSXR650, etc for around 6K off classifieds ads, and be faster and better than the current crop of NEW bikes for half the cost... Why wouldn't you go that route if it suites your needs?
Perfect time to get a license
I like my old 72 Honda XL250. Runs like a Champ. I also have the 83 V45 and the 82 Nighthawk. Those are my favorite bikes. I also take care of a whole list of newer bikes for the boss. Newest is the husky 501.
Today's new bikes are expensive useless money pits. I've always used used bikes. They are tried and tested.
oh you are talking about america, a small portion of the motorcycle market.i thought you were talking about the bike market globally. here in southeast asia, i dont feel dealers closing or going bankrupt. in fact, bigger motorcycles are becoming common, which was rare in the recent past
Sadly this is the case in the Western World in general just now, not just the USA.
The Asian Market is a different kettle of fish, where motorcycle ownership is looked upon far differently.
Safe Riding.
I’m glad that I purchased in December 2023, but I believe that once the dust settles down with the new administration motorcycle sales will bounce back. When military enlistments rise up again then sales are likely to increase again.
Dust ain’t gonna settle . It’ll choke us all to death first.
@
Then none of us have anything to be worried about because we’re all going to die at some point anyway.
You're funny. This bozo administration!! That was a str8 up bozo comment. Unbelievable and laughable. LOL.
You are living in a dream world
Only in America! America, please note, you don't represent the world. Here in Japan, the industry is booming.
That's because in Japan more people ride motorcycles just like in India, China and many other countries also in Japan they got the cooler bikes that you can't get here in the US like for example I just got 2024 ZX4RR 40th anniversary edition color theme the equivalent from the 90s ZXR400 which I got ride one back in day the Including a smaller brother ZXR250 an line 4 cylinder.
Nope, in Europe too, with the commie euro 5 emissions, and the uprising motorcycles price it does feel like you are buying a car.
I have 3 japanese bikes, 2001, 2002, 2006 with low mileage and i don´t plan to give 16600 euros for an Africa Twin, F them.
I would like to buy a new Honda XR 650 R with electric start or a new DRZ 650 but at a fair price.
IMHO, you are missing the elephant in the room: bike theft. It's many times worse than 20 years ago; a veritable industry in itself. What is the point of having a bike which disappears when you get off it? That is what potential buyers are thinking... and they are right.
Yep, the more expensive these bikes get, the more tempted, determined and tooled-up the bike thieves become.
You can't even stop the thieves yourself without getting arrested for assault, you're expected to just stand there and watch them steal it. There's no deterrence anymore.
One of my bike mates recently got chased by masked thieves when she was out for a Sunday ride, the coppers did nothing to help her other than offer her some patronising advice about 'securing your bike'. They ambushed her at the traffic lights in broad daylight, wielding knives for god's sake! Police were absolutely useless.
Buy a bike that weighs close to 1,000 pounds.
I have gone everywhere on a 250 cc bike. Riding has always been about putting a smile on your face.
Metric bike manufacturers are coming out with decent priced bikes in the 400-750 cc range. Nothings as cheap as it was and probably never will be. Riders need to realize they don’t need a high cc motorcycle. What used to be a big cc bike is now middle of the road. I have a Tracer 9 GT. I love it. Does everything I need it to. Got it for $12500 out the door as a 22 leftover.
Ive got my 83 honda. Ill keep saving up for a vfr750
The easiest way to keep the cost oi buying a motorcycle down is to pay cash, or low interest balance transfer and plan on paying of the loan, purchase price in as quick a time as possible to avoid debt service, interest rates, build better credit score and enjoy. Don't buy more than you can afford! I have bought five bikes in the past year, sold two privately and rolled over the money into an immediate upgrade while maintaining a credit score over 800. Live beneath your means and the living is easy.
Never had a problem with the price of bikes or financing them. It's the damn insurance. They try to make you have full coverage, and full coverage is over almost 3000 dollars. A friend of mind tried for a ninja 1400, and one insurance tried to hit him for 13,000 dollars a year. When he asked why, he was told insurance companies are trying to stay away from motorcycles because they are high risk. So they are overcharging for insurance. No one can afford a bike note if insurance is through the roof!!
Yep, bought a used Moto Guzzi V9 Bobber 2016 for like US$4,500 in Australia. 25,000km on the odo, yearly serviced, from a licenced dealership. Never dropped, still purrs indistinct of a 2024 model.
Blast riding and lane filtering through Sydney on it. A throaty, torquey mid-class cruiser that even with those 90* transversal V-twins lane filters like a dream and gives me 62Nm in a cruise-y low rev range...
And Australia is less price reactive given its low population and high shipping costs, and yet seeing major reductions on finding a new or used bike like this.
I will say you possibly don't want to wait *too long* if you're looking for a particularly boutique brand in Australia as total inventory of that bike you've always wanted a specimen of in your collection is going to be less than finding one in Europe or North America...
But the fact that price hits for more boutique manufacturers like Moto Guzzi are being felt so extensively here, the rest of the world is going to definitely feel it across everything.
when I first started at the beginning of this century (god that sounds old), a 600cc is about 8k and an 1000cc is about 10k. Now they got rid of the 600cc and bumped up the 1000cc to 1200s, and asking for 20k-30k and priced itself out of the market. Now with 12k you basically are buying the 600cc performance. And the smaller 250s are now 400s and 500s to fill the void left. You either have to pay more or get less for your money or both. Thank god I'm not longer in the I have to have the fastest bike age. I can enjoy something less but more affordable
I am not seen a problem at all, the more over stock the cheaper you can buy - anyone with a credit score of 700 plus can finance a bike, plenty of bikes under 20K
No, interest rates killed the industry!
If demand drops and the price doesn't come down...dealers deserve to go out of business over that call. That's supply and demand, cant cheat the system by marketing harder.
GOOD. Market crashes make newer rides more affordable and the aftermarket easily supplies spare parts thanks to CNC machining, but no one NEEDS a new bike/car/truck because the market has so many used ones!
Everything worth doing to two-wheelers has been done so extra features just make upkeep more hassle (though now as in the past they can be stripped off to simplify used rides).Motorcycling is less popular than formerly and recent bikes easily last many years. The used bike market in many areas is already low and with the Great Boomer Dieoff more and more machines go back on the market. Used machines aren't much harder to wrench than a riding mower and a breeze compared to cars and trucks Americans routinely work on for themselves
Hello from Ireland. I'm a new subscriber, I'm looking to buy a BMW S 1000RR in the next few months, and I Pray that what you are saying, is the truth, Bike prices are mental over here. Thanks buddy. 🥰👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'm keeping my old bike as it's cheaper to service and worst case repair than buying a new one.
I agree that prices for motorcycles have gone up. Some of them unreasonably so. I love my 2004 CBR1000RR and would buy another one today if it wasn’t worth $37,000 in my country.
But I do believe that our love for motorcycles will persist and two wheel transportation will continue on.
I also own a 2021 CRF300L Rally that I would get rid of even if the price was right.
I’ll be keeping my CBR but I’m looking at another road Honda that caught my eye.
Good luck guys.
Yeah I wanted to get what I thought was a nicely priced ride, but with taxes, it didn't look nearly as nice for the money, and I realized I could get a hell of a lot more bike used. If dealers and manufacturers can't sell them new for attractive prices, that's not my problem.
After the novelty wears off ,the payments dont
are they mad , 2000$ for thaws pice of rusted crap from the 80is ,
we want real motorcycles not todays bikeabago with everything but the kitchen sink
It's IN-vn-tree. In-VENT-ory is where you go to invent stuff.
It's also just generational disinterest. This generation doesn't want to go have fun outside. This is what happens when you raise kids with iPads.
the motorcycle industry forgot it is a luxury for most people.when times get tough,people dont worry about luxuries & tend to go for basics to survive.so its another case of the OEM's getting put back in their place in peoples lives & wallets.who will pat 10 to 20k for a bike they DONT NEED!!!
It was a nice video but I disagree with interest rates causing much of the mess for dealers. I sold bikes from 1995-2003 or so. Back then most dealers were paying more overhead in flooring cost of non current new unsold bikes. It was really bad during the 80's and early 90's for most Japanese manufacturers. Interest rates were 13-14% through the dealers and the lenders were strict as hell. Dealerships look like ghost towns these days. No lines at the parts counters or service counters but it takes 3 days to install a tire. Motorcycle shops need people to come in and visit, offer them an experience that the internet can't. But they are lethargic now, they are understaffed, they don't carry near enough parts for current models. Folks might as well use the internet. I believe it can be saved but I think it will take a newer breed of owner.
Possibly with the new administration in the USA, we might get a relaxing of emission regulations and allow Yamaha to build a water-cooled, fuel injected 2-stroke 350cc motorcycle again that the world is screaming for. I believe with current technology in both lubricating oils and catalytic converters it would be possible and be a major seller for Yamaha
Harley seems to have the biggest problem - they have their own financing "arm" - apparently giving loans to anybody who wants one is a bad business decision. They are now struggling to find enough "repo men" to collect all of the bikes that have been defaulted on. Honda sales keep INCREASING, so it's not EVERY manufacturer struggling. Indian sales might be "off", but they aren't into the "finance" game - they're probably in a lot better shape - Polaris is a HUGE company - not just the motorcycle market - they CAN weather a slow-down better than Harley can.
A year and a half ago went bike shoping after 15 years of not riding. Not out of fun but necessety. After seing how much scooters cost, for the money I’d than buy a proper bike. So, after seing what is being offered new I bought a 90s bike. Honda, offcorse. What turned me off were design and amount of unnecessary tech. And I don’t think that ‘90s and ‘00s bikes will drop in value much because of ease of maintenance and reliability. At least in my country. What brought us here are idiotic euro rules and tech overkill. Not to mention planed destruction of economy, lack of collective consciousness, empathy and critical thinking, division among men, saing yes to all and blind obediance
Motorcycle prices are going down, thats actually a good thing. Some of the better bikes are about to be affordable again.
Harley is going to lose some ground, their bikes have to be charged and turned on constantly or the battery will die.
Also with the amount of dumb riders giving us a bad name by dying all the time on the bigger bikes is what drove the price up, too expensive for a dumb ass to kill themselves on.
Hayabusa for Me please 😊
I was looking at getting an older pre 2000 dual purpose 150-250, people are asking 3x the price when new, ill stick with bicycles for now.
Considering it costs Harley only $8,000‐$12,000 to build their touring bikes why do they cost 30k+? It's simply put, greed!
I won't pay more than 2,000 US for a motorcycle, ever.
And it better be 2007 or newer, with under 10K miles, and in near mint garage queen condition.
It better be garage kept. And polished with a microfiber cloth and aluminum polish by the owner.
Does that help? Looks like, to bring me in the door, they'll have to drop prices by 90 percent...
I bought my '06 goldwing in 2012 for $8,500.00. I still have the same bike as of 2024. The key to buying anything know that your are going to keep it 15 plus years. If you buy anything worrying about depreciation you got to be stupid. Buy depreciating things with consideration for long term ownership. I don't care if it depreciates a 100 percent in the first year. I buy the bike to ride. And plan on keeping it fifteen plus years.
To quote Bill Clinton - “It’s the economy, stupid!"
Je suis d'accord avec tous les motards ! Les motos sont trop chère, j'adore Harley Davidson mais en France c'est intouchable , BMW aussi.... c'est la mort programmé de l'industrie des motos, voitures.....bon courage à tous !
I went to look at a new Kawasaki, the 2025 is cheaper than the 2024, but still too much when I can get a 2-3 year old low mileage for almost half the price with the accessories.
Why would anyone buy a new bike , when a new car will be cheaper
Basically bikes are ridiculously expensive £15k £20k £25k+ outrageous. I'll keep my old one going for a fraction of the cost.
Corporate Greed at its finest! let them raise the prices of the interest rate, the motorcycles and the accessories so they have to go bankrupt. Than we can buy the motorcycles and the accessories at 75% off and have three high end motorcycles and lots of high end gear. Look at the food industry. Mac Donald's, Taco Bell, Car jr., they and several others are loosing
prime location, Greed.
Than non greedy entrepreneurs like myself and others can purchase these companies to not focus on share holders profits but focusing on bringing high quality, high performance long lasting machines at reasonable price and sell more. Get more people riding motorcycles. Get more cars off the road.
That's it, bring America back to the early 70's when gas was $ 0.15 a gallon, no cell phones, no computers and no passwords to remember! (The women were all natural!)
To all of its enthusiast that nothing can do now,come what may.....! Then deserve....!
If the gimmicks go away, the ugly design, the reliability issues, the deteriorating value and the financing crap and motorcycles start looking llike a motorcycle maybe I'd be interested in getting back on. But its shiny turds and outright awful designers that's ruining the sport. Greedy middlemn aren't helping selling junk with poor value.
Its just a necessary adjustment. Manufacturers have not kept up with changing demand. The Sport Bike market is all but dead. The Aventurer market is on the decline. The Sports/Tourer is on the increase (mid range bikes). Small capacity scooters and motorcyles are in demand coz the young want to be mobile and cant afford cars.
VERY few people are capable of riding these bikes.
Over $500/ month for a toy? Wow. Less than 5% of riders use thier bikes 5 or more dats a week... thats absurd for a toy.
I found the Trump Tariffs the past 4 years to be extremely prohibited. It is much cheaper to purchase from Italy, UK, Spain products not just motorcycles US pay more than much of the world.
it' the prices not so much the loan rates. I had a 7.5% home mortgage in 1980. Car loans were a bit more. If they are comparing to the rates after the financial collapse at 2.5 -4.0 that's unrealistic. It's the "prices stupid" Like some of the posts I have read they keep adding nanny aids and electronic gadgetry that increases the price. As one poster commented the CF moto bikes are selling,"its the bang for buck". As companies like CFMoto gain market share as there quality improves they will decimate the industry the same way the Japanese was the nail in the coffin for British bikes back when. As boomers with disposable income age the big expensive ADV bikes will lose market share too. I'm 73 in a few months and I'm hanging it up this spring. Time for a 2 seat sports car...2007-8 Saturn Sky here I come. Corvette, no way with too many costs issues.