How to land in a CONFINED AREA | Helicopter pilot training | Cabri G2
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Today I'm practicing my confined area techniques with instructor Claire. This is one of my favourite lessons because I think being able to safely land in small, awkward off airfield spaces is one of the things that makes helicopters so useful. To do it safely there are a lot of checks that need to be completed as you'll see in the video.
We also meet a Pheasant who is either very inquisitive or very annoyed and doing its best to chase us away.
NOTE: We never actually touched down in any of the locations we approached as the surface hadn't been checked nor did we have permission from the landowner, hence all the hovering!
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During the confined area section on my skills test, a fox ran out in front of me as I was coming over the hedge. Then, as I was in the hover, two deer ran out and off. I asked if that field had been chosen specially :)
Ha ha - that sounds like quite an exciting sortie. 👍
Ha funny intro mate. What a rewarding feeling that must be, the confined spaces landings and hovering - very cool! Proud of you buddy
Thanks mate. It really is good fun being able to get in and out of tight spots in amongst trees etc. Great fun!
As a retired helicopter pilot back in NZ I have happily stumbled on your videos.
I wish I was as competent on the radio work as you .
I was always happy to be in an environment away from controlled airspace.
Look forward to some mountain flying videos.
Presuming UK has a requirement for such during training?
That's where helicopters really thrive .
Hi Neville and welcome to my channel. That’s kind of you to say about the radio. I think my background working at the BBC has helped a bit there. There is no mountain flying requirement in the UK actually, a shame really as I think it would be fascinating. I’d love to fly in NZ - we tried to go up Fox glacier in a squirrel during our honeymoon but it was too misty. Cheers, Rory
I really enjoyed that. Many more parameters to think about than I would have thought. I do have some PPL A time.
Thanks very much Simon, there is a lot to think about but once the route is ingrained it's not too bad.
Enjoying your aviation journey trying to obsorbe as much info as possible thank you for these posts
Excellent stuff!
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing.
I finished my confined area training last week and it's always useful to be able to see a detailed approach analyse breakdown.
Excellent stuff - I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your comment.
Well done Rory, great fun.
Many thanks Gordon.
Great episode Rory. I really feel like I’m on this commercial journey with you! I’m starting to “get it” a bit more now in terms of why you do what you do in certain situations. I think you are getting the learning experience across really well. I have so much more respect for rotary pilots now - I used to think it looked easy! Not anymore!
Thanks mate - I'm really glad you enjoyed this one. There's so much to think about in these situations. It's definitely not easy!
Great video Rory! I’m due to start HC7 in September and watching your videos is really helping me to get excited! I’ll likely use these to help keep the passion up during the first 3 months of ground school as well!
Good stuff. I’m glad you like my videos and I hope they help. Good luck!
Thanks for a great vlog Rory. Very interesting this time around in the confined area landing scenario. My mind boggles at the amount of info you have to process at any given time. For me, Its now getting to the meaty part of why heli flying is so addictive.!! As always, we appreciate your efforts. Look forward to the next already.
Thanks very much Alan. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I love these kind of sorties as it really is what the heli is all about for me.
Nice one Rory, we finally get to see a bit more of the utility that a helicopter affords, be interesting to know from your colleagues what percentage of normal pax charter flights are to a private site versus shuttling between airport/heliports.
Thanks Jason. I think there is a fair bit of private site stuff but I think it's usually homes or business premises of people who own or lease the helicopter so it's a 'known site'. I guess the real use of this kind of technique would be for HEMS work.
I agree with Nick. Following you through the commercial training has been great and interesting to follow. The sortie today highlighted just how much you have to juggle but also the versatility of rotary. I was patiently waiting for the bird to reappear as it made me laugh in the intro. Well done Rory, impressive trip and well edited vlog. Excellent stuff!
Jodel Flyer thanks very much Tim. I only had the one camera working by that point in the video hence why he didn’t reappear. There is a lot going on in the heli - I hope to be able to share some more flights like this before the end of my training.
How to land in a Confined Area? Very carefully. Hey liked the video....Thank you. Be safe
Ha ha - thanks Gary. You’re spot on about being careful.
Great video Rory, good to see the challenges you face in training. Stay safe.
Malcolm Rowe thanks very much Malcolm - glad you enjoyed it. You stay safe too.
A really great video of how to fly a helicopter - you did a tremendous bit of flying, l say well done 👍 and keep it up,& just to say, I did enjoy that flight.
Wow! That's amazing' Rory. And I thought your instructor was very impressive.
James West thanks James! Yeah, we are lucky that all the instructors we’ve flown with have been superb and I’ve learned lots from all of them.
Another very interesting video Rory. I never could have imagined how much work and thought has to go into landing a helicopter in a random field. An EC135 air ambulance landed in the field by my home a couple of weeks ago. At the time, I was thinking they just found the best spot and went for it. After watching this video, I now realise it's a far more complicated procedure than that. Excellent stuff. And well done, it clearly isn't easy.
Ian Livsey thanks Ian, great comment. You’ve nailed the reason why we practise this kind of thing. Some people may find the low flying helicopters to be a nuisance but one day I hope to fly HEMS and use these skills to get medical experts to a casualty fast and safely. There is a lot to think about but that’s all part of the challenge.
@@RoryOnAir It was G-NWEM BTW which I'm sure you've seen many times at Barton. Managed to have a quick chat with the pilot and got the impression he was very happy with his 'workplace'. Hopefully, that will be you next time.
@@ianlivsey7200 Excellent - yes I would absolutely love to do that job one day.
A very interesting vid Rory. I always wondered what the decision making process was in choosing awkward spaces.. so many checks to make! Very well handled cap'n👌👍
(I'm sure I saw that pheasant rolling its sleeves up.. it's a good job you got out of there when you did!) 😆
I'm glad you clocked that too, he was really spoiling for a fight. It's a fairly involved manovre and one of a number we have to do on our skills test. I hope to be ready for it before the end of the year.
Well done Rory. Really enjoyed that. Good luck with your exams.
Jed Wigmore thanks very much Jed. I hope to get them done before the middle of next month.
Confined areas are fun! The smaller the better.
I agree. We went for progressively trickier ones as we went. 👍
I think I may have said I learnt confined areas and precautionary landing checks as "Landing With 6S" With=wind then the 6S= size, shape (compared to approach), surounding (think tubulance as well as ristrictions), slop, surface and stock (in and around the field).
Another thing I learnt at low level is to cross line hazards, such as power lines it to cross them at 45deg so if you have a failure you can either turn away or over.
That’s a good idea about the power lines. I try and aim to cross the pylons as they are easier to see. 👍
Loved this video
Thanks very much. :)
@@RoryOnAir very informative...almost want to learn how to fly helis after this
Flying Rasa well I can’t heartily recomended it!
Brill vid Rory. Love watching your progress. Although you make it look easy, it looks like pretty intense workload on the confined landings. Thanks for sharing. Good luck with the last of your Atpl exams 🤞
Thanks very much indeed Mark. I’m working on exam study all the time. Gotta get the last 4 done!
Great video Rory, thinking now about doing rotary.
Well I think helicopters are great fun and extremely cool, but you've probably gathered that by now from my videos!
Great video Rory, as always!! Best of luck with your exams! 😎
Thanks very much Rob.
Great Video as usual, best of luck with the rest of your exams.
I am finding it very interesting how you have to manage the power of these smaller helicopters ....... when i think of helps, I think of AH64's / Lynx's etc, dropping in and out of an LZ with barely any power required. I can now see how you would struggle at mtow with a high pressure altitude.
crisjpalmer glad you enjoyed it - thanks. Yes the smaller machines are much more sensitive to weight and you have to watch the power carefully. Fortunately Claire is very petite so doesn’t affect the weight much.
Super! Soon be having you do Nam approaches to the LZ style landings LOL! Looks an awful lot of workload compared to fixed wing. Sure you will get there.. BTW loved that Harvard/T6 at the end :-)
Richard Tierney yes it’s a lovely looking plane the Harvard. Helis are a hand full but that’s part of the fun to me. 👍
Hi Rory, another great video. I assume you have only just started confined areas? I think you will have to go into much tighter spaces than that, certainly that was my experience! As has already been mentioned, you instructor really is very on the controls all the time! Also, and this is not a criticism, but saying all the rates of decents and speeds all the time, is that what you are taught? I understand you need to watch out for Vortex ring conditions, but being “ obsessive” about numbers can be very counter productive in my opinion. Anyway keep it up the videos are great and give a good incite into what goes into flying a helicopter.
Hi Peter, thanks for watching and for sharing your feedback. This is my second or thirst confined area sortie. We did some tighter ones later in the flight but the gopro batteries had failed by that point so I wasn't able to share them sadly. I think they are keen to get the procedures right before they have us getting into any really tight spots. As for the readouts of ROD - you're right and it has been flagged by my instructor since this flight so I will be doing less of that. I guess I am just keen to demonstrate that I am aware of the vortex ring parameters at all times. I'll keep the videos coming. Cheers, Rory
Rory On Air Thanks for replying, looking forward to watching you progress. Great job!
Try landing in a jungle clearing with AK 47 and worse rounds clinking off your airframe, after flying 9 plus hours in 90 degree heat. Yeah I was in Viet Nam! Love watching your excellent videos! In the US!
Well I take my hat off to you sir, that sounds extremely challenging. Thank you for watching!
Finding a talking duck, who sounds a bit like David Bowie as the laughing gnome? I would have landed shut down and grabbed him! Heck I'll be his manager - I could do with the cash!
Seriously, nice work Rory, very cool flying - for me it's the whole point of a helo, must be very rewarding to get to that stage. Fascinating to watch and learn about, thanks Rory, keep 'em coming!
Just imagine landing on an oil rig or trimming trees in 'Nam to emergency evac or medevac troops under fire!!
Ha ha - yeah you’d be surprised at how long I spent trying to decide what voice to give the pheasant!
Glad you enjoyed it. It is very rewarding as you say - I love to look back at how much I’ve progressed since we started flying in Jan 2020.
And yeah, for me I hope to one day of SAR or HEMS and be able to use these skills to help save lives. Thanks for your comment. 👍
Hi Rory good stuff thanks. Pheasant?? I'm due an eye test I reckon! LOL!
Muso Seven yeah I think it’s a pheasant!
Rory, my view was, it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, I think, therefore, it's a duck?! LOL! New specs needed all round? I have to say though it's behaviour is very macho pheasant. I've been sat at the end of a runway, with a friend and a hare has come right up to the aircraft, got on it's hind legs and eyeballed me! Furry little weirdo - I wonder if he's still alive or if natural selection got him?? Lmbao!
@@musoseven8218 Yeah the hare's at Leicester don't seem bothered by the helicopter at all either.
I’ve really enjoyed watching your progression over time from Microlights to where you are now . Are there any plans to do any turbine endorsement time ? . You are an inspiration , keep it up .👍
Thanks David - I’m delighted you’ve enjoyed watching the channel evolve. I certainly never expected to be doing this kind of thing when I started it. I absolutely hope to get some turbine time yes, not sure when but it’s on my list!
Hi Rory! I really enjoy your videos and their edition quality! About your kneeboard... Is that one of the Flyboys? If so, where did you got those extra flap vertical pockets sheet? Cheers!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. Yes it is a Flyboys. I found the flaps separately and taped them into the kneeboard. I can’t actually remember where I got them I’m afraid.
Cheers!
Thanks for dropping in the arrows to show the proposed landing site!. Will you be doing any HEMS-style backwards take off training/ 8-)
I'm not sure if we will, I don't think that's much help in a single engine aircraft, but I may be wrong. Thanks for watching!
Brilliant....very funny
Thanks Markus
Thanks for the great video! Could you explain what a commercial departure is? (I would assume it's just a cross all job and leave (As you mentioned you didn't use runways?))
Thanks Sebastian. Basically it's a quick and efficient way of departing the airfield. Say the runway in use was Runway 27 with a left hand Circuit but you wanted to depart to the North East you could depart north, crossing the active and then peel off to the east. It would save you flying almost an entire circuit on the wrong side of the airfield. You have to keep the wind in mind and how much traffic is about, but on a calm day with little or no traffic it's a great method of getting out in the direction you want.
Awesome video again brother 👍 I was wondering what part of the helicopter industry are looking to get into as a pilot?
Thanks Ronnie. There are so many things I'd love to do... HEMS, instructing, North Sea, underslung load work, aerial filming, VIP, Police... you name it!
Thanks for another great video Rory! I did my first "Practice Forced Landings" last week and found it incredibly overwhelming to begin with trying to remember the full radio call and touch checks, whilst trying to maintain a good autorotation and judge whether I was going to make my spot! Haven't done confined areas yet but really looking forward to that! Currently studying for my Air Law exam so that I can start my solo flights!
Can I ask where you got that kneeboard that extends upwards rather than sideways?
Thanks again!
Neil
Neil Jones sounds like you’re making great progress Neil. It’s all very tricky when you’re trying to do so many new things all at once under pressure but it does get easier!
The kneeboard is branded ‘flyboys’ but I bought extra pockets and taped them on behind the board to give me the flip pages. Works well for me with my long legs.
Clearly G-CPLH with that wobbly cyclic haha
The MicroPilot spot on Tom!
1 down today in Malaysia.. Collision in air 1 managed to land.. 1 crash
Great job. Did I miss the call to ATC prior to touching down in the confined space?
Thanks Dale. We didn’t actually touch down so I simulated a call to ATC as part of my FREDAT check on each downwind leg. I cut some of the checks out to keep the pace of the video going but we always do them.
It's interesting to see the differences compared to what we're doing. Are these typical sizes for confined areas for the flight test? We typically spend a lot more time on the recce. A high recce for general suitability, wind, initial power check (Are we power limited at this altitude), then a low recce, for the 6 S's (We have a sun check as well), while continuing to evaluate wind. This can take multiple passes. This is then followed by a dummy run, where you abort at the commitment point and you get a final check of power available. This will also tell you if you got the wind right and gives you one more close look at the spot.
This is from my last flight.
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I've just had a look and the terrain you're flying in looks a lot more likely to cause rotor and strange wind issues that flat Leicestershire so I can see why you do so many recce's. It looked like your glide decent after he pulled the throttle was incredibly gentle? We come down about 1600 feet a minute in auto! Amazing view from your machine too and I love your helmet.
@@RoryOnAir We do also have to land every time, so a large chunk of it is finding a suitable spot for that too, with not too much slope, debris, etc.
As for the auto, I think we had a bit of updraft, but yeah, the Bell 47s are in general fairly gentile in auto-rotation. The larger blades help a lot! I occasionally watch BC helicopters do autos in their G2s and they plummet in comparison to the 47s!
Really enjoy your videos. It's quite different from what we do, so I learn something everytime.
Atlas Robotics yeah it’s very interesting seeing the differences. I’ve heard good things about the 47. 👍
Not sure calling Claire an Old War Bird is the right way to go!
The Flying Pig ha ha ha ha - very good!
Where were the confined areas? They were all big fields.....
Ha ha - well I take your point but it’s about learning the procedure in a relatively safe environment. I’m going to be doing an advanced confined areas course in the R44 soon so I think that’ll involve some tighter spots. Thanks for watching.
Pretty sure I’ve been hearing you quite a bit on 122.855 haha
What face coverings are you guys wearing?
Do you not have to maintain 500ft minimum away from airfield though?
You are exempt from the 500ft rule for the purposes of takeoff and landing but as we don’t land in other people’s fields we have to stick to it, which is why we are careful to stay away from people & buildings etc. Thanks for watching.
How do you choose the fields? do you need land owners permission? thanks
Keith Reffell we don’t need permission because we don’t actually land, only come to a hover. If we wanted to land we would need permission and to have checked the surface was ok to land on. We pick places that are away from people, livestock and buildings so as to be safe and as considerate as possible but it’s really important training.
you want me to land WHERE?!
Ha ha - anything is possible!
50 lashes with a wet noodle for you Rory, I was waiting to see Claire with her mask off just to get a feel for her, you know more personable like. Maybe it's an American thing I don't know.....lol She sure seemed worried about your skills the way she followed the controls so closely while you were the one flying the chopper. Seems like it would be very distracting for you.
dick moore ha ha - that’s Covid for you Dick. You can see her in my other video about what it’s like at flight school. It’s helicentre policy for all the instructors to follow us closely on the controls during take off and landing regardless of our skill level - better to be safe than sorry! I’ve got used to it and don’t even notice now.