Track Tested: 2013 Scion FR-S -- Edmunds.com Video
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The incredible benefit of good tires! So many people just don't get it!
Good to see Josh doing things. He was always one of my favorite writers at the old Sport Compact Car Mag.
"most of the benefit is from the compound...' I didn't say there wouldn't be any improvement from wider tires, but the change would be relatively minimal compared to changing the compound. A greater contact area does not necessarily mean more friction (speaking generally about everything). The reason it does with tires is because more of the tire sinks in and meshes with the asphalt, meaning more friction. Softer compounds sink in further.
Love this car.
the speed through the slalom is impressive!
It's not the width that creates the improvement, most of the benefit is from the compound of the tires. Also, assuming the Volk's are lighter, the idea is to reduce the rotational inertia of the wheels, theoretically increasing whp.
gotta love mine
I am a guy who used to sometimes drive a 5.8 litre Ford GTHO in OZ and now I drive a 82 hp Ford Fiesta in France and I even got booked in that recently!
I like it.
Lateral G difference is big in itself!
What a car!!!
That engine note is preventing it from becoming my next vehicle.
This is so true. Sometimes going to a smaller lighter rim with a better compound improves transit response and performance. Folks like to fill up the wheel well and have a 40 foot turning diameter.
Seeing it taking 1g and also 70 on the slalom is making me like this car.
i noticed that too
They'll have a turbo STI version soon enough, I'd be surprised if it was under 250 hp. Probably in the 265ish range like the WRX.
oh no, its this guy again.
It's a Subaru engine, so... I/H/E isn't going to get you anywhere. The Japanese know how to build those right the first time.
Yeah, I was really surprised as this too. I was hoping for at least a little in accel improvement.
i agree...
Nice little car. With a turbo it'd be pretty special.
and torque. expect a turbo charged version to come out soon
The skinny stock tires are part of the fun. Makes the car oversteer more easily even with "just" 200 hp. Sure if you're looking for the best skidpad numbers or laptimes you'd want bigger tires.
yeah but, if you save some money up, you could put on a nice aftermarket exhaust that will make that boxer engine sound amazing!
Wow. That's impressive. 1g on the pad is a good result. I wonder how a staggered setup would affect the results.
If you like the Genesis coupe buy it. The base turbo is about the same price and it is much faster after the initial turbo lag. It is based on the 3900 pound Genesis sedan. It weighs some 700 pounds more than the purpose built FRS. You can feel that weight and it has LESS room for the driver and a sloppy shiftier. Also you have to get the $2000 more "R" to equal its braking performance and to get a limited slip.You know after a few years the FRS will hold up much better.
My last car weighed 2500 pounds and had 140hp it was a blast to drive (2000 Celica GT). The BRZ (FRS) is better in every way. I love it. 200 hp is plenty for a 2700 pound car. If you want power you can get the 700 pound heaver 305 hp Mustang V6 for the same price. Or the GT for 30K. Both wonderful cars but not as fun to toss around on a back road at close to the speed limit. There are tons of sedan based 300+ hp, cars out there for guy like you that think they are the fastest guy on the block.
I really miss the Coleman/Jaquot times....
There are so many high hp options. None are as much fun to drive well with the exception of the much less practical and powerful MX5. Buy one. Scion is having no problems moving the FRS and Subaru is sold out till 2013. I had no problem handing Subaru 26k for my BRZ. For those that dont mind the weight and size the 305 hp Mustang 6 with the track package is the only car that comes close to being as satisfying for the SAME price.
A few pricey changes made a difference
with the low available power of the FR-S a staggered setup would not produce better cornering performance, it would probably cause a grip imbalance between the front and the rear. A square setup is almost always preferable especially when you consider cost.
1.0 skid, awesome... hitting the limits during normal driving would require serious balls.
I think the FR-S and the BRZ's biggest limiter is lack of HP.
Slightly different engine mapping. More top end on the Scion. More mid-range torque on the Subaru. The BRZ has NAV and HIDs standard. FRS has free scheduled maintenance for 2 years.
The FRS/BRZ have to be revved to make power. If not they will bog down. When they tested the BRZ they used your method and hit 60 in 7.2 seconds vs 6.4 with the 5k clutch drop. All cars are different and require different methods to get the best results.
Does it seem to be plowing a little with the new tires?
So many people are missing the point of this car. Its not supposed to be super fast in a straight line. Its a drivers car with tremendously good handling. Its not something you drag race in the streets like a high school douchebag, Its a car you would take to an autocross event, get a good lap time, and have a fun time driving it. Its plenty more fun to drive a lower powered car at its absolute limits around a tight track, than to baby a high powered car through the corners.
those complaining about the tires are missing the point of the car entirely. they weren't interested in the maximum grip when designing this car, the ECO tires were fitted so that the car could break traction easily, and anybody can enjoy this car on its limit. after all, how much grip do you need with only 200 bhp and 151 lb ft torque on tap?
I think you read that wrong, braking improved from 114 feet to 107 feet.
it's called an aftermarket exhaust
Now add some kw coilovers to it and test it again :D
European version of this car has those exhaust stock
hey its paul van dyk
1 G ON THE SKIDPAD!!!
Keep the stock wheels and tires for everyday driving and the performance wheels and tires for the track or autocross runs.
they figure most people will mod the exhaust that desire it.
Its not "if I like it" I was giving an example of similar performance cars with more power that are cheaper. and its not the same price. $1500 off is not the same to me. I have no doubt that this car is a blast to drive when u compare it to your average vehicle. Not so sure about the holding up much better part. Don't know if you're a new Subaru fanboy, but my STI spent more time in the shop than on the road the 2nd year of ownership(ringland issue).
what's wrong with the subaru powerplant? low centre of gravity, great for modifying and reliable. the horsepower is good for the displacement. not great, but with already available turbo aftermarket parts, great.
Your V6 Camry is a 14 second car. It can destroy many cars with three cheerleaders in it. At least until you have to take a turn.
Why there are no audi S3 - RS3 in the us ?
Now lets put a turbo on that little engine.
How many people are used to driving cars with 300hp? And by your comparison, anyone used to driving a car with 400hp would find a 300hp car horribly underpowered as well. Perspective is important.
The Subaru has a slightly different suspension setup, otherwise identical.
a dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Cummins would perform kick ass on soft Pirelli Formula 1 tires
Closing the loop on this exchange, there is nothing wrong with Subaru or their engines. I am not a fan of their exhaust sound. That was my initial and only complaint. I expected an updated screaming Hachiroku.
Who was he talking to in the end!!!!
Why overrated? I understand it's price is a little high, but a 2700lb car, RWD, boxer (low CG) engine, 2 door coupe. What part of that is overrated? It's the perfect design, just low on power. But give it time and the aftermarket will fix that.
6.5 / 14.8??? Tire change yielded the same results... But that's a wee bit faster than other reviews. I notice the exhaust is not stock. What exhaust is on the car? My guess borla?...
You've got a point with the mazdaspeed 3 but why bother mentioning the m3? The m3 is like 3 times the price of the fr-s and and the mazdaspeed 3
It's look like the subaru n toyota? Are the same car?
Iwish I could wap my rims to TE-37's that easy, too bad theyre $4000!
Who are you? There is a 664 hp Mustang out there.
The V6 Mustang is fast and great just not as much fun in the real world.
now that you have tires that can handle the extra power why not drop a supercharger int there?
I like this car, don't try to stress it out wheel spin 0-60 and all that BS, we are all trying to burn less gas in the entire world, yet you still want to roll out fast cars, in fact considering international speed limits, it makes no sense, the seventies for most have long gone!
Why does this guy have a job there!!?!?
His dad owns the company?
Huge grip difference and yet he can't improve 0-60 or 1/4 by not even 0.1 sec
Ahh okay, so FI the only way to extract more power? If that's so, I definitely won't be getting one. I don't mind FI, but don't feel like doing after market FI just to get 25-40hps.
?? Ok..? Well happy trolling.
That exhaust doesn´t look stock ...
The results are ordered wrong, I went the entire video thinking that you we're telling me that changing the tires and wheels reduced performance.
I don't know where you get 23K from, but I can't see this car anywhere for less than 25-26K. And yes for 25K there is plenty of other options for a light RWD sports car with a more powerful engine than this one. Have you even tested this car? have you looked and felt the inside of it? Some of the worst interior out there, If this FR-S/BRZ had a STI engine you could justify the 26K price tag, and I would probably be singing a different tune. Its about value for the price not just the price.
all that because of one sentence? you sure seem to be having fun in your life... writing paragraphs for people on youtube. cheers.
Look at the catback it's not the original !!!
What a shame it has more power !!!
They are journalists not racing drivers.
Nice, this might actually win me over. I wonder how much gain you would see with a intake, headers and mild (not loud) exhaust? I can't live wth 200hps. I would need at least 225-235 to get me around town.
Not much. E85 will get you to 230 or so.
@@cornercarver636 Appreciate the reply even though its a few years too late lol. All good though. I ended up buying a FRS and had it for about 5 years. Sadly I sold my beloved FRS a few years ago after having another kid and buying a large piece of land way out in the country. I have a full size truck now :). One of these days I'll get into cars again.
@@select20 Lmao yeah it was very late. I’m looking into the FRS/BRZ as my next car upgrade. Wanna go full E85 with a flex fuel sensor and EL headers. How’d you like yours?
Hope to see you back in the car scene someday!
@@cornercarver636 I loved it. It is one of those cars that you will not realize how much you love it until you get to drive it. I had fun every time I drove it, I can honestly say that. I ended up with Intake, headers, exhaust and better tires. It was a dream.
@@select20 Sweet. I currently have a ‘11 3.7 Mustang. It’s a capable car, it’ll run high 13’s in the 1/4 and 0.91g around the skidpad, but is not as much of a drivers car as I’d like. It’s capable, but almost completely numb. I’m trying to get back into the feeling of my old ‘86 944 NA. Amazing handling, great steering feel and overall driver communication, rwd, lsd, and capable power.
Clearly, the car is power limited given no improvement in acceleration. Of course that is mostly the engineers' intention.
Ho whants a frikandel:-)
Nah I'm good. When Toyota grows some nuts and builds a proper 4cylinder performance engine, they can have my $30K.
why are you sorry?...isn't that what its supposed be, isnt that like the whole point of the car?
If only it was awd it would be really really fast
+Joe Roblez What it really needs is a turbo. It has so little torque that AWD wouldn't make it quicker.
Tires upgraded on the stock wheels would have seen 95% of those results! But damn those stock wheels are ugly!
I don't know about overrated, but overpriced for sure! this car is worth in the low 20K at the most!! So many better options than this car around the same price! Now if they decide to put an STI engine in it, that's a different story but i'm sure price would be just as inflated.
still a toyota so ill never buy one, still love my cobalt ss/tc
still sounds like a blender
Subaru's are not as reliable as Toyota's. They have made huge improvements like the entire automobile industry especially the Koreans. Hyundai's are much more likely to have major mechanical problems. The Genesis Coupe base price is $24,250. Scion FRS $24,955. The Powerhouse Mustang V6 starts at 23k, 25k with the track package. It is a much more powerful and practical car. Not as much fun. It has 800 pounds more mass. Everything else is FWD or 2 tons in this price range. Except the MX5.
its the perfect driver's car, you honestly cannot compare this to anything on the market today. now shut up.
You have changed people have not. You remind me of folks that had tons of sex when they were young, enjoyed there life than tell young teens dont ever have sex till you are married. It may be ideal but its not human nature. Hp is fun. like loud bass heavy music. Eventually most of are taste becomes more sophisticated.
that's a funny one :) but i'm not fat
...not
simple changes??!! Its obvious this guy did not have to pay for these rims! with that money spent on those rims and tires, I can make "simple changes" to any car and make it way better.
Nice car, it just needs more power to get out of the girly league.
Wow this guy cannot launch if he's not improving his launch with even stickier tires. Stop spinning them so much! A proper launch should only have enough power to spin the wheels a little bit-that is the perfect balance of power and grip.
you can compare it to many other real wheel drives in that price range. Hell you get more of a car from the Genesis Coupe, and I don't even like Hyundai. All this car is to me is a compromise between Subaru and Toyota.The engine is obviously a downfall for this car. And I don't know where you come from, but where I am from we don't just tell someone to shut up because we don't agree with their opinion, it's a lack of proper education.
Drive the 2012 mitsu Evo lol. much worse interior
Buy a faster car. If you pull 230 hp with out adding a turbo. You will lose around town drivability. S2000 made 240 hp from the same displacement it was a dog around town.
Yes but all cars with that price impress people with good tires. Still an overrated car.
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Sorry but this car is for people that can't afford a real sport car. Just my opinion.
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