Neil Kinnock on Jeremy Corbyn: "He spent 33 years talking to people who already agreed with him"
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2023
- Join us for the next instalment of our Unlocked series, as Professor Anand Menon sits down with former Labour leader, European Commissioner and stalwart of British politics, The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock.
Neil will be joining us to reflect on his time as Labour leader and assess Keir Starmer’s chances of getting the keys to number 10 at the next election, consider Britain’s place in the world after Brexit, and give his take on the state of British politics.
I'm an ex Royal Navy senior rate and Falklands veteran.
I've witnessed a lot of genuine leadership and a lot of control freak authoritarianism posing as it. Fortunately for us sailors the latter were usually flushed out.
I NEVER hear any of these grandees and those who mimic them qualify or substantiate any of their head voice opinions on Corbyn. I never hear them characterise this 'leadership' issue they harp on about Corbyn lacking.
And interviewers like this never scrutinise them on it or get them to elaborate on their views.
My instinct tells me that it is because they haven't got the faintest idea what leadership is and are mollycoddled by a complicit media who are equally as inadequate and afraid of being exposed as the frauds they are.
You only have to hear the bitterness in the tone and pedantic spitefulness in the language to know how aware these cretins are of their own pitiful shortcomings.
As someone who comes from a Military family myself (blackwatch) corbyn imo was vile. He actively despised our armed forces. I'd say having a walking lump like Diane Abbott waddling around wearing two left shoes on election day. As his home secretary showed lack of leadership alone. I'd suggest not listening to the majority of working class people on immigration and choosing a hone secretary who wanted open door policy is lacking leadership. I'd say trying to cling onto power after taking labour to a 100 year low general election is lacking leadership. Personally I wouldn't be able to think of a more lacking person to lead.
Thank you for putting it so precisely. 👌
Well I’ll put it precisely…..Why would the Leader of the Labour Party….Corbyn….impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament, betraying Labour policy and making working people poorer.
There you are , I’ve just substantiated why Corbyn leadership sucked. Over to you…..or did you lose the ability to think for yourself wondering why Thatcher hadn’t sent a sub down to the South Atlantic in good time….or even used the British press to lie , something they are very good at, lie to the world , that we did have a sub on patrol. Did that ever cross your mind ?
He was a useless leader, bitter and twisted
I'd love to have a few pints with you and listen to your views on "leadership" (good and bad) gleamed from your experiences in the Navy. I'm sure I'd learn plenty.
Read what Tony Benn says about Kinnock in his diaries..it's not complimentary...he thought much more of Jeremy Corbyn...Kinnocks father was coalminer..he must have been turning in his grave over Neil's cowardly approach to that industrial dispute.....he would have done little for ordinary workers if he had become PM....
Yes, cause mining is such a noble thing isn't it? You've never been down one, have you?
Now Baron Windbag Kinnock sat in the House of Lords and Frauds, this traitor spent a lot more than 33 years betraying the working class.
Kinnock this Anti socialist Anti working class bootlicker now sat in the house of frauds, what a despicable Parasite.
Benn - Corbyn love in: QUELLE SURPRISE!
Will Islington North pick another slice of Clown Corbyn 🤡 ?
Kinnock did no Stick up for coal miner's against Thatcher just feathered his own nest and his son is just the same. A Torie with a red tie 🇬🇧🧐
Definitely his my local mp bloody useless
That describes 90% of Labour MPs think about it Blair,multi millionaire property baron.Corbbyn multi millionaire property owner. Abbot multi millionaire property owner.think about it none of them started of rich they become rich working as MPs
Do the maths if Corbyn saved every penny he earned over forty years as an MP even before tax it wouldn't come close to what he's worth and how many people do you know who can save every penny they earn unless they're on the fiddle somehow:living on their expenses avoiding tax accepting back handers having other jobs
Investing their entire MP's salary in high interest investments in nasty capiitalist banks. Politics is a career where people with no visible skills or talents can become very rich I hate Tories but hearing people like Corbyn, Abbot etc describe them as career politicians is sickening they all are many of them would be lucky to get a job in McDonald's many Labour MPs have never known anything that could be described as labour u
Wealthy upper middle class privately educated posh boys who just about managed to graduate with a mediocre degree and realised that they'd never succeed in the business world they had no sporting skills. Theyd never win BGT but still desperately wanted to be rich and famous. "Oh I know I'll go into politics £85,000 a year to sit in the chamber taking a nap and occasionally getting up during PMQs and talking fo five minutes ain't a bad place to start. Then you become leader of some committee or other, like momentum then leader of the party you're earning nearly as much as the PM You just don't get the rent free house in Downing Street or the pile in the cotswolds "chequers" but that's the next step upwards.
This has nothing to do with the party formed by Kier Hardy as the Labour representative committee to help the working classes. The classes that Corbyn vonsidersshit on his shoes uneducated oiks
"Tory"
Lord Kinnock Anti working class Anti socialist bootlicking parasite.
We have as a nation turned our backs on coal, thank goodness
Now sat in the House of Lords and Frauds.
So according to Kinnock, Corbyn never left a record of his presence in his career. Well, except for the fact that he became leader, was the catalyst for the largest influx of new grass roots members to join Labour in THEIR HISTORY, and voted against the party whip for decades. He was such a non-presence that during the election the Establishment had to 1) draft in the army to make threatening noises about him getting elected 2) get the Intelligence Services to "have a quiet word with him" 3) Spin over a 1000 lies during that election, including involving the Israel lobby- basically foreign interference because it was all about Palestine and NATO. 4) get Labour Central office to conspire to rob the working people and all of those new members of their voices. He was such a non-entity that THEY SHIT THEMSELVES. Why? Because all of those years he was supposedly 'disappearing', he was proving himself to be the threat of someone WHO WOULD ACTUALLY DO WHAT HE PROMISED TO DO IF HE GOT IN, UNLIKE KINNOCK. All of that is proof that Corbyn's career and legacy was way more formidable than Kinnock's would ever be..E_V_E_R. They're still trying to destroy him now- financially. If they do that to someone you can guarantee that it isn't because they don't matter. Precisely the opposite. Corbyn had a purpose. Part of it was to finally turn over the stone under which they all hid and shine a light on the TRUE NATURE of the Establishment and the lengths it was prepared to go to, to enslave and steal everything the workers of the country had built. No one after Corbyn and 2019 and what came out afterwards about Labour Central office, could have A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT WERE THE ENEMY AND THE LABOUR PARTY WAS PART OF IT. Because Corbyn had an unimpeachable record- they had no reason to hate him, other than the FEAR he would do what he said he was going to do in his manifesto. He was going to take back by government force what they had stolen from the public.
That was longer than one of Corbyn's interview responses.
Corbyn nearly destroyed the Labour Party.
You forgot the bit where comrade corbyn decimated the labour party
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k these people are demented mate.
@baloodarling486 those corbyn responses were something else. Reporter- "do you renounce anti semitsm"
Corbyn "Islamophia is a terrible thing in uk my good friends from HAMAS are here today. I've just gotta make sure my shadow home secretary Diane hasn't got two left shoes on before we meet them"
Corbyn at General election without many Scottish votes after the Indyref implosion took 40% and 32%; Kinnock who still had luxury of Scottish votes before Indyref took 31% and 34%
Corbyn led us to the worst defeat in 100 years. Anyone defending that dopey lump or his pet Abbott waddling around wearing two left shoes seriously need to shut up
And ?
@@californiadreamin8423 er, let me walk you through this. He did better than Kinnock TWICE and in less helpful circumstances. Therefore, Neil Pillock has a nerve calling out someone else for not getting results, when Mr Pillock got worse
@@mango4ttwo635 It’s immaterial. What’s the average of 79 and 81 ?
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Your q is immaterial to the issue.
the average of 31 and 34 is 32.5
utter shite, and that is just the numbers. the politics was worse
Mr Kinnock should have stayed on the beach where he stumbled
Kinnock was *the* most useless, spineless Labour leader in my lifetime. Betrayed the Miners, and later on the Poll Tax, then got mesmerised by Thatcher/Reagonomics. Smith was way better, but sadly died.
I totally agree i remember listening to kinnock speaking in london i said at the time i would`nt trust him as far as i could throw him.
Very sadly - in fact tragic, as it resulted in Bliar's premiership , an illegal war and the magnification of damage to the NHS, started under J. Major
A traitor to his class
"We,
're alright!".
Joined the EU gravy train as well.
One of the main positions Benn & Corbyn took was who controlled and gained from the discovery and exploitation of our national north sea oil fields. Whether to go to the IMF as demanded by Healy & Kinnock and beg for money that if not requested would not have seen the dereliction of supporting public service workers under the strict spending rules imposed by the IMF and ensured money borrowed, could be paid back rather than being in the pockets of the massive oil companies, and would have been state owned earning enough to balance the books, as in Norway who now has one of the best standard of living in the world.
Where was Kinnock's voice over the privatisation of our national assets such as rail, electricity, water, bus services and our NHS? No where to be heard other than earning £300 a day to turn up (or not) in the House of Lords (which Benn fought a long and costly battle in the 60's to stay out of) and a cushy number in Europe. As was I, he was a member of the TGWU and totally disappeared (other than to ponce a chauffer driven car during his last failed electoral attempt) to defend the wages and conditions of the London Bus Workers who wages were cut, hours lengthened and pensions worsened by privatisation, while making millionaires of owners like Stagecoach and the other private companies in the London area.
If you look on UA-cam you’ll see kinnock making speeches about renationalising industries privatised by the Tories. They’re there if you want to find them. JS.
@@Raukura42Ben and Corbyn were against privatisation from the start whereas Kinock talks the socialist so much so he was perceived to be a left winger within the party when elected leader 😅
@@bettyjones2614accepted. But it’s incorrect to say he didn’t support renationalising; he certainly did so while leader from 1983 to 1992.
Tony Benn had a point about Kinnock. That he had given up all his beliefs only to find that no one believed a word he said in the end. Sad
In the video, Kinnock talks about the enthusiasm of young activists in momentum, he likens them to himself and many others like him when they were younger. He chooses his words carefully because he knows full well, as he also describes, that the process of political change is driven by meeting with the wider party and determining policy and he admonished Corbyn for being completely absent in any effort to influencee others EXCEPT toward those who already felt the same way.
When you critique Kinnock for giving up his beliefs and indeed you may be right there is an element of that, you might also entertain the idea that he actually did start changing his mind through experience, he learned that a perfect set of beliefs were more often the enemy of a good set of beliefs. i.e, he was willing to trade on some of his younger heartfelt ideals to make actual political progress.
This doesn't put him apart from Corbyn as much as some might suppose, I am sure you know that Corbyn was a Euroskeptic and a constant critic of NATO, but even he managed to keep those elements of his past supressed in exchange for potentially wider party and electoral appeal.
Corbyn surprised everyone in 2017, celebrating a more narrow loss as a victory, but he was going up against a political lightweight. As people got to see more, rather than his ratings improve further they declined and then of course we get to 2019 where going up against a more formiddable political opponent he was obliterated at the ballot box.
When you think that Kinnock was facing what still from an electoral perspective was a very successful Tory tenure, he did remarkably well. Blair pushed that advantage further when the public had finally exhausted themselves with John Major and he benefited from being significantly more charming.
I do feel the politicians from that era, from all sides were better quality wise. Whilst Thatcher was far more intelligent than Kinnock, when I listen back to Kinnock, you do get a sense that he was still leaps ahead of Starmer.
None of what I am sayng is supposed to lend support to any particular leader, ideal or party.
Kinnock prospered well after setting the stage for the war criminal. The British people less so.
@@growinsane9123 And got incredibly rich from his EU commissioners job, in which he achieved nothing of any merit. A Welsh windbag, and very little else.
!But was more electable
The same can be said about Keir Starmer oddly enough
Why is Kinnock's voice still relevant he has achieved his purpose he is a wealthy man now.
They're all wealthy, even Clown Corbyn 🤡
The fanatical pro-EU organisations will dig up dead bodies if it promotes their cause.
Lord Kinnock is a anti socialist anti working class bootlicking parasite.
Tony benn and Jeremy Corbyn in a government would have been the best 2 genuinely good people who say how it is neil kinnock did nothing.
We would of become like North Korea.
Tony Benn was in Gvt and d id a good job when he was Technology Minister.
He helped to make the Labour Party electable. Shame on him.
But no one would vote for them, not enough to form a government. As Healey said if Benn was so right why did labour keep losing from 1979 for 18 years. Then Blair gets in, another ten years of Thatcher lite.
Such utter disdain Kinnock has for Corbyn. Kinnock has shown very little integrity and finds himself on the wrong side of history. Kinnock voted for the Gulf War in January 1991, as did Blair, Brown, John Smith, and Harriet Harman. There were notables that voted against the war on grounds of _principles_ . These include Corbyn, Diane Abbott, Tony Benn, Dalyell, Skinner, Primarolo, and others. Maybe had Kinnock shown more courage, and backbone he would have a better political legacy than the enduring "alright!!! alright!!! alright!!!" GE "winner's party" nonsense in Sheffield in 1992.
The 1991 was a popular war to remove an invader from an ally. There was massive support in the UK for it.
@@col.hertford9855 So an 80 percent approval rating to slaughter Iraqi men, women, and children justifies war? You clearly have no _principles_ of justice and humanity.
Corbyn delivered the worst result for Labour in 135 years. The media hammered Kinnock far harder than Clown Corbyn.
Corbyn destroyed the labour party, and the 1st Gulf War was stopped. A madman who was using chemical weapons on civilians yoy uneducated melt
I just find the hypocrisy of it all very frustrating. Neil Kinnock and his ilk only listen to a tiny handful of people, it's why they keep getting surprised by their defeats. Pretty much anyone could have seen a Corbyn moment coming because of the disdain that had grown towards the Labour Party except the Kinnocks and the Labour right who continued to believe they just needed to be more like the Tories to win. Even now they are not listening to the public favouring the opinions of guests at Murdoch's parties
Neil Kinnock speaks scornfully about Jeremy Corbyn, but then there are those who believe Kinnock was far less a socialist than he ever pretended to be. His seamless passage from labour leader to an EU Commissioner's job saw him shamelessly enrich himself, while his record as a commissioner was clouded in doubt. He never truly supported the workers, and indeed, criticised striking miners and other active socialist folk in his party in the 1980s, clearly demonstrating his lack of empathy with people who had been duped into voting him into office. Now he has the effrontery to give us his nonsensical, smearing twaddle about Jeremy Corbyn', a man who has consistently been a true socialist and staunch supporter of workers' rights, demonstrating time and time again his solidarity with them. Had Corbyn somehow been elected as PM in 2019, this country would have seen the rich and powerful brought to heel, and taxed till their pips squeaked. The Tories have now had thirteen unbroken years of enriching their friends in the city and business who have enriched themselves and impoverished ordinary people. And sadly, when Starmer takes office, there will be no change.....
Completely wrong on just about every point. Corbyn led the party to it's biggest defeat since the 30's, that was his final contribution to the socialist cause, having wasted his previous time in parliament not by creating anything new and worthwhile but by constantly taking the role of a grumpy old man, not a role model that anyone other than him would want to adopt. Enough of this nonsense, " Had Corbyn SOMEHOW been elected as PM in 2019 " followed by a flight of fancy entirely of your own creation. Somehow, somewhere, what on earth does any of that mean ? Clearly you will not be voting for Starmer, but the difference between him and Corbyn is that he knows that without winning elections you will never be able to change anything.
@@thomasmoore1499 They would rather lose than have someone who could win if the leader fails their purity test.
Thomas Moore you are completely wrong...corbyn was our last chance of socialism...now we will never see it 😢
Starmer will take his orders directly from the tories and put the boot into the workers
@@thomasmoore1499 God you are a know all aren’t you
@@iangascoigne8231 well said mate
In the related videos, there's a video of Corbyn debating the Oxford student union about how socialism does work. Kinnock isn't very sharp is he?
What an embarising man is Kinnock. Never true labour.
When you say "Never true Labour" what do you mean? Do you mean a party for left wing idealists that will never be electable in this country, by any chance?
True Labour's just about losing.
Why are they still going on about Jeremy Corbyn. A most honest MP
This is all cover for the purge of the left and the authoritarian right wing turn that Labour has taken under Sir Snake Starmer.
@SQUINTING SQUIRREL what do you think he discussed with Hamas? Same as Blair & IRA; US & Taliban etc
Honest? Useless for sure.
Yep his honesty decimated labour and put tories in power.
@@billdoor3140No, that was the people who voted the Tories. Let’s be transparent here, the only reason Labour has a chance of winning is because they are essentially a Tory red. If you and others were so desperate to get the Tories out, people should of voted them out in 2019 and we would of not had the chaos the country has been going through since 2016
There’s a saying “If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it probably is a duck” that’s what this Labour Party is under Keir Starmer is masquerading as a left wing party that knowingly has Tory policies and has zero intention to reverse what they put in.
Completely inaccurate. Corbyn shows up in a book on the War in Grenada in 1983 asking a question in parliament. So clearly he did pose memorable questions
To me Corbyn is an honest and intelligent man I just don’t agree with his conclusions!
No, he put A question. The fact that the only reference to it is in a book shows that it was hardly memeorable.
@@petergaskin1811 proof of censorship from the media. It was a very memorable and historic question
@@petergaskin1811 I think they're being sarcastic
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Kinnock sold out and joined the EU gravy train.
I'd heard the term "EU gravy train" many years ago, but I'm still not sure what it's meant to be.
Vacuous and self serving - Neil Kinnock
How's your Momentum membership going, still singing that 'awesome' Jeremy Corbyn song?
Sounds like every MP
in the house
He paved the way for making Labour electable again . He wasnt perfect and overestimated that he might win in 1992 .
Lord Windbag, achieved nothing as Labour leader. Stabbed miners and Liverpool Councillors in the back
Scargill was the guy who betrayed the Miners, not Kinnock. Scargill had Thatcher where he wanted her and then decided he could get even more. But he didn't and everyone paid the price for that.
@Donnerbalken28 I don't recall Arthur taking a knighthood - that's the reward of class traitors
@@robs4006 He's still living in a generous mansion in Norfolk, while the people who supported him only got scraps.
To be fair a party leader couldnt condone law breaking and that is what the councillors would have been doing . They nearly bankrupted the city and I say that as someone who totally accepts it was the fault of the Tory Gvt underfunding councils as they still do today .
@scooby1992 what law breaking would that be ... his words at the time were 'a Labour Council, Labour Council, scurrying around issuing redundancy notices'
He got his title for selling out the working class. Lord Windbag is all he will be remembered by
This is a sad performance by Lord Kinnock. Some of these interminable sentences appear to have no meaning at all. As Leader of the Labour Party Lord Kinnock himself failed to win a General Election. 2017, with Corbyn as Leader, was a far better performance. Lord Kinnock should take a lesson in loyalty from John Prescott. Prescott did an amazing amount of work to support the Party in 2017 - he was the warm up speaker at a number of the main public meetings. He defended the Party and its Leader in many television interviews. If people like Lord Kinnock had shown the same amount of loyalty history could have been very different.
Kinnock a waste of time, as is his MP son.
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And yet he inspired a huge interest in politics amongst young people and people alienated by centrist politics, and the biggest surge in membership of a political party in UK history.
If you have 90% possession and 4x the chances as the other team, in a football game, but you still lose 3-0, you've still lost. I find it hard to argue the increase in stats you mentioned was his primary job as labour leader, it is to win elections and get labour policy implemented. In this he failed. One could argue that the same people who were enthused about politics in 2017, were disaffected by the result in 2019, so even based on the metrics you mentioned, he his success wasn't very long-term.
Unfortunately, For Corbyn couldn't carry the working class.
@@neilhardman7973the game was already rigged against him. He wasn't supposed to be there and the globalist machine went into overdrive to hamper him and get him out. The fact he did so well at the first election was simply incredible given these circumstances.
Kinnock and his misses spent years accumulating an estimated 5 million as European commisioners!
They are Parasites.
IMO Kinnock sold out ordinary people.
Corbyn rent free in kinnocks head
I attended a rally in 1982 outside County Hall in London organised by Ken Livingstone. It was to commemorate the first anniversary of the death of Bobby Sands MP. A Labour councillor from Islington was on the platform that day and made a speech. In it, he beseeched the IRA to lay down their arms and to follow a democratic road wherever it may lead. It was Jeremy Corbyn. He was derided and abused for his speech that day (in spite of needing Irish votes the following year in his first general election). Owen Carron, Bobby Sands' election agent and successor as MP for Fermanagh and South Tyrone was the main speaker that day and as you may imagine, many IRA members were present and laying down arms was not on their agenda then. It took another 12 years before JC's rationale was listened to, and peace broke out in the north of Ireland - long before Mo Mowlem (God rest her) was even heard of. For his trouble, Jeremy was labelled a terrorist and a traitor. History will judge him correctly - as it will Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Thatcher etc.
Ah so the wind bag is still blowing the old winds .
Dwi wir yn caru fy ngwlad, Cymru, ond mae gen i gywilydd llwyr o'r bradwr gyrfa Kinnock a'i fab Torïaidd Coch!
I truly love my country, Wales, but I am totally ashamed of the careerist traitor Kinnock and his Red Tory son!
'Rwy'n llwyr cytuno. I completely agree.
The Cymru for Tory and the colour red is a match made in heaven. Assuming they speak English there. And have Google translate lol
"Elections are decided by the intelligence agencies" - Paul Mason
He couldn't beat them so he joined them (Paul Mason).
How ironic then that Mason now works for the intelligence services.
Kinnock was Thatchers and Blair’s blag carrier. His son is Bag Carrier junior.
All career politicians concerned with lining their own pockets. Labour, Tory, Lib dem independent it's a nice little earner nothing else
Not necessarily . Jeremy Corbyn is a career politician ( in parliament since 1983 and a councillor before that ) , I dont think he is in it to line his own pockets .
The central argument of the Labour right against the Labour left is that the latter will never get the spread of electoral support that is needed to get to power. That may be right. But that necessarily means we will have to expect any future Labour government will at best make small, tangible, incremental changes to improve some people’s lives, but will fundamentally be unable and unwilling to address growing inequality, systemic racism, climate collapse and the concentration of political, economic and cultural power in the hands of a few people and corporations. Many on the hard right of the party are ok with that, because they don’t seek to transform society anyway. But many, like Kinnock, see it as in part regrettable but a necessary compromise you have to make.
If you’re on the left, I think your best bet is to get involved in campaigns on specific policy issues as these can have their successes.
Electorally, the left, which does represent a significant though minority strain of opinion in this country, can only make headway with a reform of the way we vote.
All true . Getting away from FPTP is essential to make all votes count .
#PRNow
Corbyn never fell over.
Lol. Nice one.
How’s that boot taste Neil?
Isn't Kinnock the man who sold out the miners back in the 80s
Yes Kinnock has spent a lot more than 33 years betraying the working class, now Baron Windbag sat in the House of Lords and Frauds
No, that was Scargill.
No , it was Thatcher that defeated them and Scargill who wouldnt hold a ballot .
Sold out the minors and the people of wales.
If they had held a ballot the majority would have supported the defence of their industry.@@scooby1992
Funny to see Neil Kinnock still banging on, he was an utter failure as leader of the Labour party and a fairly mediocre MEP who played his part in the BREXIT result. I have no idea why anyone is still interested in what his opinion on anything political. Most people only remember him as the politician that looked foolish as he fell over on the beach.
Sounds like the Jeremy Corbyn autopsy.
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Yes but baron Windbag Kinnock has made a lot of money along the way, and has spent many more than 33 years betraying the working class.
Kinnock ensured we got the wrong Milliband, hence Cameron, Brexit and Johnson. Not a great CV.😢
Plus worst of all Thacher
Brexit was a result of labour not listening to working class people on mass immigration and their obsession with cheap underpaid Eastern European workers and branding those who said they wanted less as "ist" or "phobes"
@@commonsense9176Don't forget Clown Corbyn 🤡
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k the one these people stopped becoming the best pm this country would have seen. Or are you happy with the status quo of nothing improving.
Yes we will never forget ill never vote labour again
@@commonsense9176 You're entitled to an opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. Yours lost two elections though...
this guy made very good speeches but had no substance to anything he ever said.
Lord Kinnock bootlicking Parasite.
A bit rich for a hypocrite who took a lordship and was defeated himself in a GE as leader of Labour....I know why these types people constantly get a platform though
Would be good to see the full interview.
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Heaven spare us
Life is far too short for such trivia.
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Shameful
Kinnock, just another failed labour leader. Sounds like sour grapes
The problem with Neil is he spoke and still is, forty years later, to people who never agreed with him, hence the the term, Welsh Wind Bag.
WHAT A DULLARD 😅
Neil Kinnock has been on the UA-cam Television a lot recently, he likes to speak his opinion on Jermey Corbyn and sometimes also Blair.
As far as I can remember kinnock was a bit of a leftie also .
So what he was trying to tell us in this video is only a new labour type of Labour Party will ever be allowed by the establishment to take power .
Sadly he is probably right . The media , much of it owned by people who dont live here are pro right wing Gvts .
Is this the guy that got a standing ovation at Derry town hall a year ago or so ? or was it another ex-leader of the Labour party?
Kinnock was such a bad leader, terrible at pmqs, rambling speeches of style over content and then "we're alright" where one man managed to blow an election.
Hes been rebranded as a great elder statesman but he was an abject failure.
2 general election losses is an abject failure. Completely agree.
He and John Smith saved the party from oblivion and turned it into a high functioning machine. Handed that machine to Blair and with some movie star good looks and no whiff of the old left about him won a landslide. 😮
@@gilgamecha Which they used to murder 200,000 Iraqis and Afghanis for NO REASON but OIL that they got for BUSH and continued Thatchers NEOLIBERALISM and took the RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE from the BRITISH people and continued the PRIVATISATION of the NHS.
So if you want to take credit for Blair; take credit for that and the MASSIVE BANKSTER BAILOUT and DECADES of counterproductive and class war AUSTERITY and PISS ON THE WORKERS psudonomics!
@@gilgamecha And with that landslide Blair gave us buy to let schemes instead of Council housing PPI that we are paying for ever and subsidies to employers through tax credits not to mention hundreds of thousands dead because of him. Blair was Thatcher’s greatest achievement in her own words. The man was pure scum and we’re living with the consequences.
So you can troll more than just 'A different bias', must be really pushing your abilities !!!!!
Kinnock, three times failure, lecturing us on not winning.
As I recall Kinnock spent all his time talking to the tory press...who hated him regardless of what he said. Meanwhile he lost the support of many on the left who saw him as a sellout.
Kinnock never got anywhere.
I never knew what a Welsh accent sounded like until I watched the documentary on the speaker of the House of Commons which featured George Thomas. Now I can easily spot a Welsh accent and Neil has it.
Well done x
Kinnock, utterly useless. Now he's a lord
Lord Parasite Kinnock.
Excuses excuses, kinnock. Your son was very shocked by the results in 2017. Actually your opinion is no longer relevant and you didnt win either.
Kinnochio
Good to see that Kinnock's other political calculations were so successful for him to make these comments.
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I'm definitely not a fan of Thatcher, but let's not exacdurate. The fall in manufacturing under thatcher was 15%, and the loss of manufacturing declined even further under new Labour.
Really interesting to hear his view on Momentum. Not Militants but misty-eyed idealists
So because they aren't bombing banks they are criticised for being "idealists"
Considering we have a Labour Party trying to be more anti-immigration than the Tories and have dropped every single policy that might have benefitted the younger generation they seem to have been proven correct.
He meant militants as in 80s Liverpool Council etc. You know who's official moto was "better to break the law".
Their actual own name was Militant.
@@AndyTomlins Twaddle. Was Corbyn pushed to the fore by young people ? Yes. Did Corbyn impose à 3 Line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament ? That was betrayal of those young people, and a betrayal of party policy and working people. Think 20% food inflation, the housing mortgage crisis, and blue passports. Give your brain a chance.
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You missed
That look like may win an election. You know, the point of politics.
Hasn't history proved Jeremy Corbyn right?
The British establishment represented by Conservatives and New Labour did not want Corbyn in power. Neil Kinnock represents the same old vestiges of establishment politics that played out in the 1990s.
Kinnock the inept waxing lyrical about nothing
Corbyn was a cypher. Even now I've hardly heard him talk. He got himself embroiled in accusations of anti semitism and all he had to say was that criticism of Israel government does not mean you are against jewish people.
Corbyn got himself embroiled in anti semitism because of his hardline support for the Palestinian cause & those groups of supporters who he aligned with within that, some of whom are anti semitic. Rather than denounce them he looked to pacify them by referring to Hamas & Hezbollah as 'friends', whilst being unwilling to do the same with the jews. His bias towards Islam over the Jew was clear. This is why whenever he was asked to denounce anti semitism he would bring up islamphobia & racism in general to avoid answering the question directly. This made him appear anti semitic. The same principle with his republican belief & the IRA made him look unpatriotic & anti British.
Great man!!!
Which is, of course, utter rubbish.
Jeremy spent 33 years supporting the Labour Party's simple founding principles against people like Kinnock, Blair etc. who wanted smaller public services and far more privatisation.
I don't think Kinnock betrayed his principles. He was / is a realist. He realised the way to get Labour into power was to widen out and go more mainstream. Blair then took that on further and got into No.10. In '83, it was a missed opportunity not to have Kinnock, Hattersley, Cunningham, Gould etc in power - a real cabinet of talents who largely were in it for The People. New Labour in it for themselves, Blair, Campbell, Mandelson = Millennium Domes to dropping bombs.
Yep. Add another failed election to his record 😅
Indeed & let's be honest the main reason the Tories won in 2019 was because of Brexit, 'Get Brexit Done', whilst Labour's Brexit strategy was more complex yet Keir Starmer the then Brexit secretary seemed to like it. This allowed a moderate vote share increase overall and crucially extra seats gained in Northern areas that were usually Labour seats, in 2017 Labour's vote share actually increased by a higher percentage than in 1997 and it cost Theresa May's government their overall majority so they had to do a deal with the DUP. May who was like a weaker Thatcher called the early election to get a bigger majority and actually lost the majority for the party, when you consider that nearly the whole media even the Guardian and the BBC alongside many Labour MP's were actively working against Corbyn and his allies to actually increase vote share was pretty remarkable. The centrist Labour MP's were shocked and the media too, but I saw the huge increase in members and the excitement brought about my a leader of the Labour Party who had real passion for change, change which many wanted particularly young people. Our home town saw thousands turn up to see him speak in 2017 more than other leaders have done and more young people did vote. Miliband and Brown got around 30% of the vote less than Labour got in even in 2019 so worst result since 1935? This is an untrue statement often repeated.
@@JamJam0189 Shush with your facts now.
WE LIKE CORBYN MORE THAN YOU NEIL.
Jeremy Corbyn is 100 times the man Kinnock is.
He's even better at loosing elections.
That's probably why he can't win an election 😅😅😅
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k Loosing?
not particularly funny considering the bunch of turds we have running the country into the ground, Broke Britain is the polite version
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@@user-sf7kl9uh7k Block head voters who get told what they should vote by billionaire tax avoiders. Dumb is not strong enough, And win? If you win for nothing what does that mean,
Well, for a man that achieved nothing in 33 years, Corbyn did better in 2017 (40%) after 2 years as leader, than you did in 1987 (30.8%) and 1992 (34.4%) after 9 years. And as for those activists and young people you speak so patronisingly about: they WERE actually out there, talking to people who "didn't agree with them", appealing to a "broader section of the electorate", and building a new coalition to win power. And if they had had your support, rather than your condescension and disdain, they would have done it. And everything after 2017 (the election, Brexit, the cost of living crisis, the NHS mess) would have been a completely different story. Sorry, Neil, but you and the Labour Party Establishment are as much to blame as anyone else for Labour's failure. And the irony is, you are now so deeply entrenched in your denialism, that you sound exactly like the die-hard leftwing ideologues of the 1980s who you have always chastised for not "changing with the times" and blamed for successive Labour defeats. The hypocrisy would be astonishing if it weren't so depressing.
Worst election result since 1933. You forgot that bit. Haha
kinnock speaking for tory
"For those who say that this is a necessary and just conflict because it will bring about peace and security: September the 11th was a dreadful event. 8000 deaths in Afghanistan brought back none of those who died in the World Trade Centre. Thousands more deaths in Iraq will not make things right. It will set off a spiral of conflict, of hate, of misery, of desperation, that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism, the depression, and the misery of future generations." - Jeremy Corbyn, Stop The Iraq War March, 15th February 2003.
What were you saying at that time, Neil?
Not true , i did not even know or heard of Jeremy Corbyn few years back , now i know him and support him ,
When the above has to spend an interview castigating another...a wise man once said: What Peter says about Paul.says more about Peter than it does about Paul.enuf said..
KInnock, what a waste of space. He couldn't even support the miners' strike!
Kinnock made 2 powerful speeches in his life, the first where he castigated the Militant Tendency at Conference - A speech, although powerful, was something I disagreed with. Unleashing a witch-hunt was both counter-productive and self-defeating. The second, was his acceptance of defeat in 1992 on the steps of Walworth Road, where he warned us all not to get old. How prophetic that all was. Yet he never reflects on both. As nothing scares the shit out of Tories more than organised Marxists, but he de-fanged the Labour movement of its advanced Cadres in which the Tories got attack our services, impose their illogical doctrine that has led to the calamity that we have today.
Kinnock has a partial responsibility in all of this. When Labour needed unity, at a crucial period in UK political history, he effectively sabotaged that and now, as a result with numerous crisis that afflicts these sorry Isles, we now have children starving to death by the side of their dead father's. That is where we are at.
And then he wonders why Corbyn, enjoyed such support?
I don't think Kinnock should be giving anyone any advice on how to win elections.
I agree, and neither should Corbyn
These concerns raises now show why Neil himself was a useless labour leader because he mentions these after the facts! To the wilder pubic Eg to my mind a strong leader faces challenges whilst there's a challenge to face.
This chap has never a decent days work in his life.
It would stagger me no doubt to find out how much money from the tax payer he has received over a 50 year “career”.
It must be millions and for what?
I don’t hate him by any means but what he has done is beyond the pale.
He’s had his nose in the trough all his life at my expense.
He’s never paid any tax in his life he’s only ever consumed tax paid from the private sector.
He worked as a tutor actually having got a postgraduate diploma
Decent bloke, I was gutted when he lost✌
Kinnock is part of the establishment, he was never going to support him.
He says he spoke to those who agreed with him yet he inspired many to become engaged which resulted in the largest political party in Europe.
Kinnock was key in the party shifting right.
This man is a joke he lost two elections and what has he done since sod all Jeremy did a much better job he knew what needed to be done in this country to make things fairer but of cause people like kinnock did not want to make things fairer that is why we are in the state we are in and unfortunately we now have to conservative parties and let’s face it kinnock does not look as if he is going short of grub I have voted Labour since I was 18 I could never vote for starmer or mandleson I am not sure which one is the leader
You are very confused it would seem. Having voted Labour for so many years you end up not liking ( and the quite sneering reference to Kinnock and grub ?) any of them, other than Corbyn. Really , just how does that work ? Corbyn lost badly in 2019 in fact much worse than any Labour leader since the 1930's, do you want to keep on repeating that ?
You sound like you're still 18!
@@thomasmoore1499 we all know why he lost badly dont we
@@therichieboy I still look it to
And did he win an election? Remind me.
I agree with Kinnock's comparison between Benn and Corbyn. Everything else is b.s..
Benn would undoubtedly have backed Corbyn.
@stuartwray6175 I know
If Kinnock comes from Labour's Left ... Words are meaningless
You will eat your words, lord kinnock
Is he drunk 😅
He claimed Corbyn spent 33 years talking to people who already agreed with him. But Kinnock has spent over 40 years cursing people who never agreed with him.
Baron Neil Windbag Kinnock now sat in the House of Frauds. This guy spent a lifetime betraying the working class.
the good die young. Kinnock will be around for another couple of decades..
Overwhelmingly slanderous arrogance from a guy who couldn't do the job. Youll never have unity witgout listening to those you want unity with.
Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paperbag.
It's more about encouraging fools not to believe everything the right wing media tell them. To get them to vote in their own interests and not those of billionaires. Are you a billionaire or just a clueless imbecile?
I'm definitely not part of the teenage demographic, but I am a Corbyn supporter.
I think Kinnock may be engaging in a bit of sophistry. It's not that he's wrong, it's that he deliberately missed the point.
I'd actually agree that Corbyn mostly lives in an echo chamber, and refuses to engage his opposition in Labour. However this is because it's mostly pointless, as both sides have an utterly intractable position, with radically different goals, and there can never be any meaningful consolidation. On one side you have people who are actual socialists, which remember is supposed to be the whole point of the Labour Party, and on the other side you have a bunch of neo-liberals who actively and openly despise socialism, and whose only ambition is the pursuit of power.
Sorry, but that divide can never be bridged, so why would Corbyn waste his time in the attempt? The right-wing Labour majority cannot be appeased with anything less than the complete eradication of socialism, and any attempt to appease them would only fatally compromise socialist principles. So again, it's pointless.
It begs the question, why did these neoliberals join the Labour party in the first place, if they are patently not socialists? The answer is entryism. It wasn't enough for them to be neoliberals, they specifically wanted to destroy the existing Labour Party, to remove the last remnants of mainstream socialism from parliament. Their removal of Clause IV, the clause that defines Labour as a socialist party, made that crystal clear. They didn't even make any attempt to hide or deny it, it was absolutely blatant. With their subsequent hatchet job on Corbyn, they finished the job.
But ultimately, the root cause of the problem is not back-stabbing parliamentarians with grasping ambitions, it's the right-wing majority electorate. I think Brexit proved beyond all doubt that the British public has little to no socialist aspirations, putting it politely. This revelation even shocked the Tory leader who instigated it. Being a socialist in such a selfish, psychopathic society, is a losing battle.
Corbyn is a Brexiteer, Tony Benn was a Brexiteer - they both oppose the EU as a concept because it's one built on freer markets
We're Alright, we're alright, we're ALRIGHT!!!!!!🎉
Sheffield, Brighton Beach, Glenys, Stephen, EU, money, money, money. It's not funny.
pots/kettles.
The windbag
Behold, a sad failure☹
Kinnock is full of generally unchallenged rubbish, quite opposite from the kind of challenging Corbyn had to deal with. To say that Corbyn only spoke to people who agreed with him is astonishing. Yes he has his loyal backers and peers pursue Parliament, but otherwise he has served as an outsider on the margins of Parliament, literally disagreeing with 90% of his parliamentary peers on the direction of the country for 40 years. How often did Kinnock vote against his party whips, for example? I’m fed up how this bore is treated like an elder grandee by the mainstream political media.
More than you ever achieved, Ninnock!! 😏😏👎
😂
Oh Kinnock...the failed leader who became so establishment that they made him a Lord!
What a shister