I personally think it's right to vote for Reform. I understand it's going to take time, and I also understand that Labour will win this election. This is how it must be for the next five years because it's the only way to build Reform so that it can become a leading party.
@@liabrooks7811 Just like a well known national movement. Took time then led to ruin. Not just the obvious regime but many others not ending until 1975 Portugal.
@@wheatley9601both Starmer and Corbyn are far left communists. It’s just that Starmer was better at hiding it when he needed to. Vote REFORM 🇬🇧 and take our country back.
1997 was when buy to lets started getting bigger as they taxed pensions funds people started moving there money so labour pushed buy to lets indirectly but totally blame the tory's
They're all right Jack. The state sector all have gold plated pensions courtesy of the government. They have recently had big rises which secures a bigger no risk pension while Starmer robs the private sector pensions. He is already a fat cat but wants more.
Very dangerous. You will have nothing but be happy. It's called globalism from WEF. Many#Tories flirted with WEF including Sunak and previous leaders which stunted the Tory party who allowed Woke to be established in our nation. Thanks Tories including Cameron and Miller.
Yes except for the Lib Dems forming the official opposition. The Tories didn’t completely collapse, Starmer’s as bad as Peter said he’d be and worse than everyone else could imagine. There’s at least a chance now that Two Tier Keir will be One Term Keir.
I think a lot of people have this man wrong. He's not really conservative, centrist, or left. He's an honest critic within the political sphere and an advocate for thought - he says at the end, polls aren't always correct and vote for what you think is right. He doesn't always say things that I agree with, but it's good to hear someone who has his own mind on things, whether they be agreeable or not so agreeable.
Corbyn;s words have always been easier for him to stand by as he has had no real chance of ever putting anything into effect in the real world, outside of pressure group politics. When the leader of the Labour Party refuses to taqke intelligence briefings from MI5 and MI6 but prefers to take his news roundups from Hamas then you know you are dealing with one pucked up fuppy.
I like Corbyn. But he handed the country to Johnson with a massive majority and the almost-collapse of the country now in part is because of that. So the Q is, do you want a further Left politician who sits powerless in opposition, or.a fairly Left party actually in power? The reality is that you cannot simply yank the political mainstream from one side to the other, especially not in a country as change -adverse as ours. It has to be gradual. I suggest you look up 'Overton Window" and you should start to see what I mean. If you follow what Starmer Labour has done, they are gradually moving things leftwards. I get that it's not as fast as we would like, but it's the only way. It's very obvious that they understand how much trust in politics has been damaged and they are looking to make incremental improvements and show their intentions by results rather than rhetoric. I applaud that approach.
@@ukbloke28 Critiquing the erosion of the post war state and proposing social democratic alternatives is not the same as cheering on people who hate Britain as an entity to the degree you refuse to meet with your own intelligence services as, unlike the Russian or Chinese ones, you regard them as suspect. Bit different.
I remember just before Blair was voted in (I was 12) by father warned me how bad it would be if labour got in. He was right we had an Illegal war mass immigration crippling dept and the selling of are gold reserves at the cheapest possible price. Not to mention the criminal justice bill which eroded are freedoms.
@300stevienicks300 You have no idea what you talking about. Blair went to war under the pretence that Iraqi had WMD's and could deliver them to a western country in 45mins. This was a lie they never found WMD's or a way to deliver them. That is why I call him a war criminal. What about all the gold reserves Labour sold?. What about all the mass immigration Labour started? The economic prosperity you speak off was paid for with loans which is why we had austerity when they left power. Labour started digging the whole to bury this country that much is clear.
I was 21 in 1997. People forget how unbelievably corrupt Conservative MPs had become. It had become a shambles. Here was a youthful, well-spoken, Oxford-educated lawyer, 'down with the yoof', who was the absolute opposite of Kinnock who trounced the Tories. I remember the optimism in 1997 quite well. I also remember the politicisation of the House of Lords, cronyism, Blair's greed for power, fame, money; Peter Mandelson, Campbell and spin-doctoring, and of course, immigration. I left the UK in 2015. 'A plague on both your houses!'
I could listen to him all day. Smart, but even more rare; bold with his (well-formed) opinions and totally unswayed by the crowd. Agree with him or not, I appreciate the guy.
there is logic behind his change in opinion, that being that the time to remove the tories was in 2010, not now. The left are far more powerful now than they were
He's spelled it out perfectly clearly. The time to get rid of them was in 2010, when the worst case was another 5 years of Gordon Brown who had no support or will to do anything. A vote for Labour now will bring in an ideological nightmare that will solidify and continue the destruction of our institutions that will make it impossible for the country to ever reverse course.
Same. He's massively dishonest, without integrity and a technocrat. I joined the Labour Party in my teens, I left as soon as Starmer came in. Him and his Mc Sweeny ghouls can shove my vote.
Isn't Fraser Nelson the one who told Swedish TV that you can run sky-high immigration levels and can do so without public opposition provided you give the impression that you're limiting immigration?
I don’t know if he said that but you need to understand WHY he said this. He was probably describing what politicians have been doing for the past thirty years. It doesn’t mean that he agrees with this.
Do not trust these political gamers in it to win the game, not to empower the future generations. The exaggerated accents reveal the need for ego approval by an exclusive debate club. Label everyone snd dehumanise.
@@Autodidactz aren’t they all? If you ran a little experiment if two terms for Starmer you’d begin to find exactly the same levels of self interest alleged at the current administration. And equal levels of guilt.
That sounds like a reasonable thing to say, no? People in unaffected provincial regions that vote for anti-immigration policies would almost definitely be appeased if they're under that impression
@@Marstepolovsky globalism tends to transcend both left and right in the new orthodoxy which is a legacy of Blair, i dont like it at all. But i dont see any easy ways out of it either.
The far right are doing all sorts of dissing, Starmer is right wing, is far left, even Tories are Left wing, its all to distract from the clear facts, Reform is far right & like all right wing extremists have Nazi like ideas for the country.
Whether you agree with what Hitchens is saying here or not, the Blairite, Fraser Nelson, is simply incapable of comprehending the warning being issued, because he - other than some minor bones of contention - simply cannot see any issue with Blairism. The same applies to essentially all of the corporate media gatekeepers in this country, who have done very nicely thank you out of Blairism, and are entirely detached from the damage it has done under both Labour and the Tories over the past 30 odd years.
The UK didn't vote him in. He got 3 million fewer votes than Corbyn's first run. He won 20% of the votes of those eligible to vote. Starmer was what was left, the dregs, after all the protest votes against Conservatives.
“The scariest thing about politics today is not any particular policy or leaders, but the utter gullibility with which the public accepts notions for which there is not a speck of evidence” - Thomas Sowell. I would add ‘ or ignore what parties have promised before and not delivered, believing what they promise now will be delivered if elected’
None of the parties deliver what they promise, they say we will all be better off but when did you feel better off because of a government policy. if they cut taxes in one area they raise it somewhere else it has always happened and always will. We need something new i don't know if reform will be it but unless they get a chance we will never know. if you look how labour started it was much the same way as reform now, Liberals were the dominant party until Labour came along.
The famouse quote is that "Democracy is the worst system except for all the others". You have to wonder if that is still true in the modern internet age (Not that I can think of a better option)
So then, in that instance, what does anyone actually do in order to change anything in any real sense? I constantly see comments about the general public not having a clue or people berating each other over who they're voting for, and yet in most of the quotes used, or the comments given such as yours, all it does is reaffirm my belief that voting for anyone is ultimately pointless as nothing ever changes to any real degree that's demonstrable by any metric. If it was the case that someone could point to a government or a leader of a party that had come through on even slightly more than the majority of their manifesto promises, that government would likely never lose office on the basis of having some level of general transparency with regards to what the average Joe on the street knows about politics, and the enactment of its proposed policies and after achieving office. Not just that, but that party, its time in office, its policies would be used in every single election campaign as a reference in order to seal the deal. On the point of the general public not knowing anything about politics, my perception is that because their lives (for the most part) don't allow them the time to give a shit. The everyday person wants enough money to put a roof over their head, food on the table, to not feel in danger when they walk down the street where they live and a generally comfortable life. The harder that becomes to maintain the easier it is to stir up feelings of resentment in general, not just among those directly affected by the ones in power who lets be real, have literally zero idea what it's like to live the life of an everyday person. Hence my position is held, I don't care who's in power, because NONE of them actually care about the everyday person. They simply pretend to in order to further their own success. I've voted once in my entire life and have regretted it ever since.
@@RedThor-tv9mm If one party's manifesto was to promise to have a little guy punch you in the face and the other party's manifesto promised to have a realy big guy punch you in the face then, even though you hate both of them and even if you doubted that they would follow through with their promises, surely you have to vote for the first guy, wouldn't you? The difference between bad and worse matters .
I like PH but sometimes I suspect he likes to be on the losing side, it means you can always shout "I told you so" when things fall out of fashion. He's wanted to destroy the Tories since 2010, now it's actually on the verge of reality he seems to think a vote for the Reform is too risky because it'll give a green light to Labour.
@alan_davis Over the last 60 years, why would you want to be on any of the "winning" sides ? In near enough everyway you could mention things have gotten demonstrably worse.
He hasnt wanted to "destroy the Conservative party since 2010", hes wanted to destroy them since 2003 and 2010 was the last moment where this would be possible with any possible chance of a genuinely conservative revival. If you're going to accuse him of "wanting to be on the losing side", atleast get your facts right before you smear him
Exactly. Easy to be a critic of politicians. Try actually doing something to help rather than bitching and moaning. The other Hitchens actually had a viewpoint.
corbyn was an absolute joke. I voted tory for the first time just to help keep corbyn out, cos i acculy liked boris johnson. But this time i.m voting reform uk, to try & get nigel farage into number 10 , cos never again will i vote for either of the 2 main parties, cos they are both useless & never do what the general public acculy want, so there.s only one option, so VOTE REFORM UK
Even Hitchens isn't quite a conservative, or he would know that the legislation 'controlling substances' was a wartime measure with scant justification that ought to have been abandoned post-war. A healthy society does not need to prohibit this or that plant or substance because they have risks when imbibed; an unhealthy one with rampant 'lotus eating' will not be helped by legislation after the fact.
The UK, France and Germany were recently described as "Basket Cases", but the UK has less debt than the other two. The problem is that the world is drowning in debt.
When the Tories took over the debt to GDP was about 65% after the financial crash, its now close to 100% - some record on financial stewardship! The Tories have been corrupt and incompetent. No doubt people will be disappointed by a new Labour government as it will struggle to deliver change with such high levels of national debt.
@@freebornjohn2687 But there was no deficit in 1997. The books balanced. Major/Clarke left hefty budget surpluses up to £20 billion during Blair's first term but squandered by spendthrift, profligate Brown.
I heard Starmer announce his manifesto today. I hadn't recognised his voice and took it to be that of minor local politician.. Not the least impressive, no facts, no tradeoffs, no vision. Just a 'let's not frighten the centrist voters'
@@piers_bellman I remember Hitchens from my schooldays. He was the, ahem, intellectually challenged brother of the brilliant Christopher. He left under a cloud to an obscure new Yorkshire place of further education. His subsequent career, such as it is, is an astonishing example of chutzpah.
God I never thought i would tune into someone who I am diametrically opposed to on some very key issues. But as Bruce Lee once said "Take what is useful and discard what is not".
After the last five years I can’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to vote for the Tories ever again but the problem is that it will probably be even worse under Starmer and most people know it!
You know many socialists in this country don't support Starmer or the current labour party, right? You know he has booted out a bunch of his socialist MPs, right?
The Tories have been the most destructive party in British politics for years. Everything is worse. The past 14yrs have seen Britain decline by virtually every metric. Do you honestly fear Labour more than another five years of this current fiasco. When you talk about damage, which Labour policy could possibly be worse than Partygate, Liss Truss or the billions wasted in corrupt PPE contracts, failing schools, hospital waiting lists, zero growth, obscene weath inequality or the fact that in 14yrs the Tories cannot build a railway line from London to Manchester. The Tories are no longer a party they are a political embarrassment. Oh and please don't talk about lack of productivity when Jacob Rees Mogg lies full length on the benches of the House of Commons to answer questions. What contempt to show to every hard working person in this great country of ours. If the Tories disappear from the political landscape it will be such a positive step for the future of Britain.
@@bluesnail5042 Yes but don't conservatives and especially Con-servatives talk a lot about individual freedom ? And don't they do that while advocating for the state to tell us what to do and how to live ?
The Conservative's record in office... 1. Highest energy bills in Europe. 2. Highest taxes in 70 years. 3. Highest interest rates since 2008. 4. Highest train fares in Europe. 5. Longest waiting lists in NHS history. 6. Raw Tory sewage pumped into rivers. 7. Lowest corporate taxes in 50 years. 8. Lowest State Pension in Europe. 9. Highest Immigration both legal and illegal ever. 10. Destroyed the NHS dentist service. 11. Brexit. 12. One failed Prime Minister after another. 13. Worlds shortest in post Prime Minister which created a financial disaster. 14. More corrupt MP's than any other party in parliament. 15. Europe's longest Austerity for the lower paid. 16. Highest Council Tax rates in the World. 17. Reduced our Armed Forces more than any other G8 country. 18. Highest number of MP's that have been arrested for sexual offences. 19. Highest number of MP's that have been sacked for corruption and Fraudulent acts. 20. Voted to allow Bankers to have unlimited bonus's even though the bankers caused the crash of 2008. 21. More libraries closed due to council cuts than any other modern country. 22. Ruined and destroyed the Train services by giving private companies tax payers money as subsidies. 23. Voted against Labours creation of the minimum wage. 24. Wasted billions of Tax payers money on crony PPE contracts for their friends and other Tory donors. 25. Sold off 600 Police Stations. 26. Sold off our Courthouses. 27. Closed then sold our Fire Stations. 28, Failed to fix - repair our schools. 29. Cut spending on youth services. 30. Court backlog is at record levels 31. Threw 30,000 pensioners to the wolves during the first wave of the pandemic. 32. Sold off our electrical grid to foreign companies. 33. Failed to build new affordable homes. 34. Wasted billions on HS2. 35. Failed to close Tax Loopholes. 36. Failed to build 40 new hospitals. 37. Failed to repair our crumbling roads. 38. Forced many councils into bankruptcy. 39. Failed to address the 4 million children living in poverty. 40. Cut spending on mental health services. 41. Privatised and sold off the nations Post Office - Gas - Water and Electricity Companies 42. Allowed BP and Shell to steal our Oil and Gas reserves whilst paying little to no taxes. (Norway has a Sovereign Wealth fund of over $1.6 trillion). 43. Sunaks failed RWANDA policy has cost approx 500m. 44. Increased the pension age. 45. Failed promise to end rough sleeping. 46. Failed promise to end Leaseholds. 47. Failed to Ban No Fault Evictions. 48. Failed to ban so-called conversion therapy. 49. Failed in their Levelling up promise. 50. Introduced Voter ID excluding thousands from voting. 51. Introduced the bedroom tax. 52. Forced disabled people to jump through hoops to claim benefits. 53. Britain now has more foodbanks than McDonalds. 54. Tried to implement fracking. 55. Failed to invest in green energy and electric vehicle recharging infrastructure. 56. Our National Debt is now 3 Trillion. 57. Failed to prepare or have sufficient PPE for a Pandemic even when it was No1 on the risk register... 58. Given free reign in Non-Dom billionaires and Media owners to cause societal division and fuel racism. 59. Promoted lunatics like Cruella, Mogg and Patel to high office. 60. Blocked the Russia report. 61. Gave us the highest diesel prices in Europe. 62. Closed and then sold off our onshore gas storage tanks to high end developers making the impact of the invasion of Ukraine worse by increasing the cost of gas. 63. Tripled the cost of University fees for students and locked them in their digs during the pandemic. 64. Grenfell. 65. Windrush. 66. Increased our National Debt to 3 Trillion. 67. Partygate. 68. G4S Prisons. 69. We are giving 8 million quid a day to landlords for migrant accommodation due to the Home Office go slow policy. 70. Little to no Border checks on goods and foods. 71. Sold the Farmers and Fishermen down the river.
Handed the currency speculators billions via Truss budget event and if it was not for the BoE would have ANNHILATED PENSIONS. Handed billions to people who had nothing to do with PPE then wiped their collective hands of the issue. Handed 35 billion plus for an app that disappeared, just like the money. Another thing Hitchens seems forgetful of is Osborne. he nicked 180 billion from pensions.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 Why? They weren't last time? The NHS worked properly, we had some social care. We were members of a great EU club that had loads of benefits to the UK. So give me labour over these corrupt rich kids anyday.
I think you'll find it was labour who destroyed dentistry in this country. The tories have had to endure a coalition with the libdem bedwetters, put the economy back together after labour's financial crash and usual bankrupting of the country, deal with covid and then an energy crisis caused by a mad Russian. If you had listed some of their achievements, it would have been easier to take your dirge more seriously, even the made up points.
Hitchens can't seem to agree with anything anyone says. To say Nigel Farage doesn't seem to believe in very much is ridiculous. It's his passion in what he believes in that energises him to carry on despite numerous setbacks. He's a conviction politician, like Thatcher. I don't agree with Hitchens' characterisation at all.
This person is a real ray of sunshine...is there anything that he's not fed up with or pessimistic about? Does he know how to smile or laugh? Imagine being trapped in a room with this guy for days on end. At least his brother had charisma....
Yes, he's not much fun. Occasionally he makes good points, but in this interview it seemed that he was only mad about Reform willing to legalise cannabis.
@@domzbuI would swap d scores and add the recent Tory failure nudging labour to be better, if only marginally better. For Tory 2 continue wld be to reward stupid, and get 20/10 stupidity levels.
I have voted strategically for many years now. I voted for Blair in his first term, because I had always voted Labour - even though I didn't like him from the start. I didn't vote the next time round but I voted to get him out after the third time round and I have voted to keep Labour out since then.
@@joewilson4191 I don't pledge allegiance to anything; I look at politicians' levels of dishonesty and consider who is capable of the most potential harms.
I agree, Corbyn has values and ethics, like them or not you knew where you were, it was refreshing, Starmer lies and takes advice from Mandleson who rolled with Epstein, tells you everything 🏴
@Daniel-sg2vo Hiding behind a cloak of neutrality opened a path for Farage to gaslight many Labour northern voters with his very clever and surreptitious anti immigrant rhetoric which Corbyn did not properly challenge being the serial dithered he always has and always will be . Any other Labour at the time of the referendum would have been on top of Farage like a ton of bricks and would have campaigned vigorously for the Remain cause .I would strongly suggest that this would have made all the difference in the outcome of the result and I think you are either very naive to think it wouldn't or you are a fellow left wing Eurosceptic like Mr Corbyn trying to make excuses for his inadequacy.
I thought that the "Come out of the Common Market" vote was massive & we would be in charge of our own cross channel borders & there'd be No more Mass immigration legal or illegally BUT it's just be a massive waste of time & money us all voting .It's gone Worse! Think we've been all kidded Again by that lot in Parliament..
Don't fall for Labour's wealth creation pledges. Labour strategists want to change property laws to gain control of the wealth stored in private houses and homes. The plan is to force older people, and people without children, to move into small flats built for them in the local community. Thereby, freeing up family homes for councils to control and let out.
Not too dissimilar to what the Bolsheviks did. Watch CGT being charged on private house sales, that will be one of the first things Labour will do. It will flatline the housing market and steal ordinary people's money. The left ignore the huge amount of interest paid by homeowners over the lifetime of a mortgage. Unless they paid cash no-one actually pays the asking price of a home.
@@radicalrodriguez5912 no! Tory is one side of the globalist elites Uniparty and Labour is the other. They don’t care who is in power because they control them both, it has to be a protest vote of politics will not change in the UK and if politics does not change, really change, then you will wake up one day in a One World Government, courtesy of Blair and Cameron…
Frasier Nelson seems quite complimentary of Blair's record. This is the very problem with these internationalist, marry a foreigner Conservatives. They, like all too many Conservative MPs, are in the wrong party. The Conservative Party must be gutted so that a new effective party can come through that puts the interests of British citizens first, second, every time.
The Conservative Party has never put the interests of British citizens first. It's put the interests of the wealthy first. As would Reform, quite frankly. You expect a spivvy former bankster to save Britain? 🤣
The National health service wouldn't make keir starmer wait for treatment. That's why he can use the service and say its excellent. As for NHS staff they are treated first because of their job. The nhs invest in the health of their staff. To not treat an NHS worker quickly is to be a man down.
Can't the same be said for any private healthcare provider as well? What concerns me is that the NHS will become an even worse bureaucracy than it already is. Unlimited oney will be pumped into it, all from borrowing and there will be no reform at all.
Yeah - Chris Hitch was a one off - and what he said about Michelle Obama and the Clintons bears listening to every so often to remind ourselves of the putrid, deadly, clueless - thieving LEFT.
I wonder if these nicknames will catch on...Probably, but after he is free to break all of his promises of economic granduer. Then he'll get verbally attacked but it will be too late, because he'll be in power.
He is the very best Prime Minister we never had. He would have been just the steady hand needed in global politics in order to avoid escalation of conflict and WW3.
@@dbefore7165 Except Starmer doesn't care about everyone else. He's a Blairite cockroach which means he's only out for himself and his own personal advancement. People like that are a cancer in politics.
In Ireland we have just voted on Local and European elections and the centre ground won. Sinn Féin polling in the 30’s % landed at about 12% …. Nobody saw that coming .. a complete shock .. and a shock to SF most of all …
I get the feeling most people are seasick from the sways back and forth from extreme left and right. Can only hope the USA, UK and France(Europe) also eventually get back to more centre left and centre right policies. (less polerization and less dangerous populists popping up)
The economy did not grow well under the last Labour government. Why pretend? It was an economic boom based on credit and house prices. Which collapsed in 2008 leaving us with a deficit to gdp of 6.9% in 2010.
Exactly.....millions also up to their necks with credit card debts which de-stabilised the economy. One man with a secret £100k debt committed suicide.
If you are 55 or older, please check your UK pension fund value and take ownership of it now…. Then you can check as it fairs daily, weekly or monthly.
Flaw in Hitchens' strategy: voting lib dem or green will not keep Labour out. Those parties will more than happily form a Labour-led coalition government.
Disagree with his politics but on his view of our current predicament, Hitchins is spot on. I for one have decided that regardless of how it will affect the result in my area, I will vote with my conscience and give my vote to Reform, We have to start somewhere.
Can Nigel Farage and Reform UK play a significant role in reshaping the UK's political landscape through a reborn Conservative Party?
Forage led the cheer leading for Brexit and look where that went... be careful what you wish for.
I hope not.
Shocking to see the Spectator fall for Starmer.
I personally think it's right to vote for Reform. I understand it's going to take time, and I also understand that Labour will win this election. This is how it must be for the next five years because it's the only way to build Reform so that it can become a leading party.
@@liabrooks7811 Just like a well known national movement. Took time then led to ruin. Not just the obvious regime but many others not ending until 1975 Portugal.
Well a month on it seems Hitchens was right. Starmer has a bad agenda.
@@ubergeraldine he has a bad Agenda Its Agenda 2030 wef..etc
@@ubergeraldine yeah I doubted it when this video came out but he was absolutely right. Corbyn's heart is in the wrong place but at least he has one
@@wheatley9601both Starmer and Corbyn are far left communists. It’s just that Starmer was better at hiding it when he needed to. Vote REFORM 🇬🇧 and take our country back.
he's a WEF stooge @ubergeraldine so what do you expect?
The attack on pension funds is the biggest crime in British history
1997 was when buy to lets started getting bigger as they taxed pensions funds people started moving there money so labour pushed buy to lets indirectly but totally blame the tory's
stick it on the tab
lol that was child’s play compared to what we’re seeing now
Lazy people always prefer to milk those who make money rather than do a good days work.
They're all right Jack. The state sector all have gold plated pensions courtesy of the government. They have recently had big rises which secures a bigger no risk pension while Starmer robs the private sector pensions. He is already a fat cat but wants more.
STAMMER PREFERS "DAVOS TO WESTMINSTER"!
A WEF SLAVE. CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
BRAIN WASHMINSTER
Yes hes on record as WEF😮
@walamo8971 He's Trilateral, look them up! World government organisation created by Rockefeller
A globalist communist. He will destroy this country. REFORM UK 🇬🇧
Very dangerous. You will have nothing but be happy. It's called globalism from WEF. Many#Tories flirted with WEF including Sunak and previous leaders which stunted the Tory party who allowed Woke to be established in our nation. Thanks Tories including Cameron and Miller.
We all know the case, Peter. That doesn't make the Tories any more electable. Both parties are an abomination.
It's not about the Tories, it's about stopping Starmer and Labour. Vote to stop Starmer and Labour
@@radicalrodriguez5912 It's about stopping both of them.
@@design7054 you can't stop both of them. labour will win and win big if the right doesn't vote tactically
@@radicalrodriguez5912 Ignore controlled opposition like this guy. Vote Reform.
@@KopperNeoman Vote against Labour
One month later and Peter Hitchens could be considered a political Prophet.
Yes except for the Lib Dems forming the official opposition. The Tories didn’t completely collapse, Starmer’s as bad as Peter said he’d be and worse than everyone else could imagine. There’s at least a chance now that Two Tier Keir will be One Term Keir.
No he's just a coward, plain and simple.
As much as I don't like Peter Hitchens I have to accept that he is right on this point of Starmers labour.
Watch out hitchens stammer will be after you pretty soon
One thing he does knowabout and that is the unfairness of communism having lived in Russia.
Respect to you. These days very few people can agree to a single point made by someone they dislike. Superficially or otherwise.
I think a lot of people have this man wrong. He's not really conservative, centrist, or left. He's an honest critic within the political sphere and an advocate for thought - he says at the end, polls aren't always correct and vote for what you think is right. He doesn't always say things that I agree with, but it's good to hear someone who has his own mind on things, whether they be agreeable or not so agreeable.
I just wondered how you feel about him now?
@@holygroove2 He's an egotist and perpetual contrarian.
Who are you talking about? Keir?
I would trust Corbyn words more than Starmers tenfold
Corbyn;s words have always been easier for him to stand by as he has had no real chance of ever putting anything into effect in the real world, outside of pressure group politics. When the leader of the Labour Party refuses to taqke intelligence briefings from MI5 and MI6 but prefers to take his news roundups from Hamas then you know you are dealing with one pucked up fuppy.
I like Corbyn. But he handed the country to Johnson with a massive majority and the almost-collapse of the country now in part is because of that. So the Q is, do you want a further Left politician who sits powerless in opposition, or.a fairly Left party actually in power? The reality is that you cannot simply yank the political mainstream from one side to the other, especially not in a country as change -adverse as ours. It has to be gradual. I suggest you look up 'Overton Window" and you should start to see what I mean.
If you follow what Starmer Labour has done, they are gradually moving things leftwards. I get that it's not as fast as we would like, but it's the only way. It's very obvious that they understand how much trust in politics has been damaged and they are looking to make incremental improvements and show their intentions by results rather than rhetoric. I applaud that approach.
Corbyn was way too honest and got destroyed for it. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
@@ukbloke28 Critiquing the erosion of the post war state and proposing social democratic alternatives is not the same as cheering on people who hate Britain as an entity to the degree you refuse to meet with your own intelligence services as, unlike the Russian or Chinese ones, you regard them as suspect. Bit different.
I would not trust either of them, the difference is Corbyn told you his intentions, Shamer doesn't.
Time to start visibly backing Reform Peter.
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@@PeaceProsperity-dv7hs Nope! We don't want Trump's fascists in charge of the UK!
I remember just before Blair was voted in (I was 12) by father warned me how bad it would be if labour got in. He was right we had an Illegal war mass immigration crippling dept and the selling of are gold reserves at the cheapest possible price. Not to mention the criminal justice bill which eroded are freedoms.
@300stevienicks300 You have no idea what you talking about. Blair went to war under the pretence that Iraqi had WMD's and could deliver them to a western country in 45mins. This was a lie they never found WMD's or a way to deliver them. That is why I call him a war criminal. What about all the gold reserves Labour sold?. What about all the mass immigration Labour started? The economic prosperity you speak off was paid for with loans which is why we had austerity when they left power. Labour started digging the whole to bury this country that much is clear.
Are? Do you mean our?
At least someone has a working memory.
New Labour/Tory Lite Mark1
I was 21 in 1997.
People forget how unbelievably corrupt Conservative MPs had become. It had become a shambles.
Here was a youthful, well-spoken, Oxford-educated lawyer, 'down with the yoof', who was the absolute opposite of Kinnock who trounced the Tories. I remember the optimism in 1997 quite well. I also remember the politicisation of the House of Lords, cronyism, Blair's greed for power, fame, money; Peter Mandelson, Campbell and spin-doctoring, and of course, immigration.
I left the UK in 2015. 'A plague on both your houses!'
Peter Hitchens in one sentence - "Everyone is blind except me".
No at all there are many many people who fear Labour not just PH
@@Cafez27 He is a stain
@@actingwithgarethharris9920 not sure what you mean to be honest
Probably.
I could listen to him all day. Smart, but even more rare; bold with his (well-formed) opinions and totally unswayed by the crowd. Agree with him or not, I appreciate the guy.
This guy is spot on and totally correct, you nail it Peter.
For years he’s been saying we should destroy the Tories and now when we are on the verge of actually doing this he’s got cold feet.
Only now does he show his true blue colours.
He's old , has been correct for years but he understands the Tories are incompetent and Tony blair isnt
He is not for them, he is saying Labour will do a lot of damage. Fight people! Stop Labour!
there is logic behind his change in opinion, that being that the time to remove the tories was in 2010, not now. The left are far more powerful now than they were
He's spelled it out perfectly clearly. The time to get rid of them was in 2010, when the worst case was another 5 years of Gordon Brown who had no support or will to do anything. A vote for Labour now will bring in an ideological nightmare that will solidify and continue the destruction of our institutions that will make it impossible for the country to ever reverse course.
With 54 years as a Labour supporter . Starmer . No , never .
Glad to see not all Labour are dogmatic
So u voted corbyn😢
Same. He's massively dishonest, without integrity and a technocrat. I joined the Labour Party in my teens, I left as soon as Starmer came in. Him and his Mc Sweeny ghouls can shove my vote.
@user-hl1ex6py8l Lots have.
@@sarahjaneross2918emigrate to Palestine. Labour is well shot of the far left Momentum type leeches.
This didn't age well for the deluded and naive interviewer.
Vote AGAINST LABOR - AGREE - VOTING REFORM
Isn't Fraser Nelson the one who told Swedish TV that you can run sky-high immigration levels and can do so without public opposition provided you give the impression that you're limiting immigration?
I don’t know if he said that but you need to understand WHY he said this. He was probably describing what politicians have been doing for the past thirty years. It doesn’t mean that he agrees with this.
@@28pbtkh23 If you read The Spectator, what he thinks is quite clear.
Do not trust these political gamers in it to win the game, not to empower the future generations. The exaggerated accents reveal the need for ego approval by an exclusive debate club. Label everyone snd dehumanise.
@@Autodidactz aren’t they all? If you ran a little experiment if two terms for Starmer you’d begin to find exactly the same levels of self interest alleged at the current administration. And equal levels of guilt.
That sounds like a reasonable thing to say, no? People in unaffected provincial regions that vote for anti-immigration policies would almost definitely be appeased if they're under that impression
Calling this Labour party a left wing party is like calling this Conservative party Conservative.
What are you trying to say? Labour are right wing?
@@Marstepolovsky globalism tends to transcend both left and right in the new orthodoxy which is a legacy of Blair, i dont like it at all. But i dont see any easy ways out of it either.
They have purged the left out of the party and replaced them with right wing pro war, Genocide supporting maniacs.
We won't know until they get into power
Davos or Westminster.
I think it is very clear where you are going.
When the Spectator are pretending Starmer is right wing you know you're in all kinds of trouble.
Wholeeeeee heaps
It would be entirely laughable if they were to suggest that Starmer is left wing. He is certainly well to the right of centre.
Must Vote REFORM
The far right are doing all sorts of dissing, Starmer is right wing, is far left, even Tories are Left wing, its all to distract from the clear facts, Reform is far right & like all right wing extremists have Nazi like ideas for the country.
At this point Lib Dems are further left of Labour so yeah, Starmer is right wing.
Whether you agree with what Hitchens is saying here or not, the Blairite, Fraser Nelson, is simply incapable of comprehending the warning being issued, because he - other than some minor bones of contention - simply cannot see any issue with Blairism.
The same applies to essentially all of the corporate media gatekeepers in this country, who have done very nicely thank you out of Blairism, and are entirely detached from the damage it has done under both Labour and the Tories over the past 30 odd years.
It's called Thatcherism.
@@alan_davis which is a form of economic liberalism. What is a "small c" conservative economic policy?
@@alan_davis Incorrect.
Fraser is particularly irritating, you'd think this video was a platform for HIS opinion .... not sure why he bothered to invite Peter 🙄 what a moron
You must be new here if you think Fraser Nelson is a Blairite.
Have to hand it to Hitchens, Starmer has turned out to be a lot worse than Corbyn. The UK is starting to realise it messed up voting him in.
The UK didn't vote him in. He got 3 million fewer votes than Corbyn's first run. He won 20% of the votes of those eligible to vote. Starmer was what was left, the dregs, after all the protest votes against Conservatives.
“The scariest thing about politics today is not any particular policy or leaders, but the utter gullibility with which the public accepts notions for which there is not a speck of evidence” - Thomas Sowell. I would add ‘ or ignore what parties have promised before and not delivered, believing what they promise now will be delivered if elected’
None of the parties deliver what they promise, they say we will all be better off but when did you feel better off because of a government policy. if they cut taxes in one area they raise it somewhere else it has always happened and always will. We need something new i don't know if reform will be it but unless they get a chance we will never know. if you look how labour started it was much the same way as reform now, Liberals were the dominant party until Labour came along.
The famouse quote is that "Democracy is the worst system except for all the others". You have to wonder if that is still true in the modern internet age (Not that I can think of a better option)
@@richardeggett392 it is designed for a club of elites to maintain their power and grip on the nations
So then, in that instance, what does anyone actually do in order to change anything in any real sense?
I constantly see comments about the general public not having a clue or people berating each other over who they're voting for, and yet in most of the quotes used, or the comments given such as yours, all it does is reaffirm my belief that voting for anyone is ultimately pointless as nothing ever changes to any real degree that's demonstrable by any metric.
If it was the case that someone could point to a government or a leader of a party that had come through on even slightly more than the majority of their manifesto promises, that government would likely never lose office on the basis of having some level of general transparency with regards to what the average Joe on the street knows about politics, and the enactment of its proposed policies and after achieving office. Not just that, but that party, its time in office, its policies would be used in every single election campaign as a reference in order to seal the deal.
On the point of the general public not knowing anything about politics, my perception is that because their lives (for the most part) don't allow them the time to give a shit. The everyday person wants enough money to put a roof over their head, food on the table, to not feel in danger when they walk down the street where they live and a generally comfortable life. The harder that becomes to maintain the easier it is to stir up feelings of resentment in general, not just among those directly affected by the ones in power who lets be real, have literally zero idea what it's like to live the life of an everyday person.
Hence my position is held, I don't care who's in power, because NONE of them actually care about the everyday person. They simply pretend to in order to further their own success.
I've voted once in my entire life and have regretted it ever since.
@@RedThor-tv9mm If one party's manifesto was to promise to have a little guy punch you in the face and the other party's manifesto promised to have a realy big guy punch you in the face then, even though you hate both of them and even if you doubted that they would follow through with their promises, surely you have to vote for the first guy, wouldn't you?
The difference between bad and worse matters .
I like PH but sometimes I suspect he likes to be on the losing side, it means you can always shout "I told you so" when things fall out of fashion. He's wanted to destroy the Tories since 2010, now it's actually on the verge of reality he seems to think a vote for the Reform is too risky because it'll give a green light to Labour.
There is a reason for that. He is always on the losing side.
Sounds intellectual. Isn't.
@@alan_davis B...but...he's got a beard and everything
@alan_davis Over the last 60 years, why would you want to be on any of the "winning" sides ? In near enough everyway you could mention things have gotten demonstrably worse.
He hasnt wanted to "destroy the Conservative party since 2010", hes wanted to destroy them since 2003 and 2010 was the last moment where this would be possible with any possible chance of a genuinely conservative revival.
If you're going to accuse him of "wanting to be on the losing side", atleast get your facts right before you smear him
@@kil93 I stand corrected.
"A vote is a practical act with measurable consequences. It's not an emotional spasm."
Excellent description.
Voting is just a token gesture to make one think that they might be able to change things!
Peter is spot on... once Starmer gets in he will, like so many have before him, just do as he likes and manifestos soon get forgotten.
All manifestos get forgotten once there in,it’s just a ego trip for them at our expense
Come back in 5 years
Why do you hold labour to a much higher standard than the tories??
@@Litheon11 History. Because evidentially, they've always done a lot more for the people.
He's wrong. PH said he is more left wing than Corbyn. Hitchens is an idiot.
Peter Hitchens does not endorse anyone, rather he sits Eeyore like on the sidelines moaning about all of them.
Which to be fair is pretty easy to do.
Exactly.
Easy to be a critic of politicians. Try actually doing something to help rather than bitching and moaning.
The other Hitchens actually had a viewpoint.
@@alan_davis You're saying he didn't express any views here?
He wrote books about what went wrong and how to fix it 😂
It is when you have his wealth.
@@alan_davis So does Peter if you watch all his stuff and read his books.
"far worse" don't you even dare. Jeremy Corbyn stood for so much more than any of these crusty elitists.
Yeah like telling the world he wouldn’t press red button
Like anti semitism, pro Hamas and IRA terrorism. Real saint!
Seriously?
corbyn was an absolute joke. I voted tory for the first time just to help keep corbyn out, cos i acculy liked boris johnson. But this time i.m voting reform uk, to try & get nigel farage into number 10 , cos never again will i vote for either of the 2 main parties, cos they are both useless & never do what the general public acculy want, so there.s only one option, so VOTE REFORM UK
@@michaelgoulding6609 Don't Reform want a US Style Health Care System!
Biggest problem is that the Conservatives didn’t rule as conservatives.
Even Hitchens isn't quite a conservative, or he would know that the legislation 'controlling substances' was a wartime measure with scant justification that ought to have been abandoned post-war. A healthy society does not need to prohibit this or that plant or substance because they have risks when imbibed; an unhealthy one with rampant 'lotus eating' will not be helped by legislation after the fact.
Why is that now the case?
I am surprised that Peter is not glad that the Conservative Party are doomed, he has said that they needed to be destroyed
He is always fighting for the losing side, keeps him in interviews.
I wish he'd just bore off
timing matters
His whole brand is to be pessimistic and contrarian. Couldn't possibly agree with the wider public on anything.
No he's quite consistent. He viewed Brown as harmless so the strategy at the time was to vote for him to let the Tories perish.
He gets more interviews, articles published and clicks by warning of imminent danger (of a Starter government). That is how you explain his behaviour.
Nice to see intelligent people using free speech. We all need to know what is going on with this new government.
Nothing irritates me more than all the mindless zombies who vote the way they've always voted no matter what the circumstances OR who the leader is.
It's the british way.
A most interesting interview. Peter gives much food for thought.
The UK, France and Germany were recently described as "Basket Cases", but the UK has less debt than the other two. The problem is that the world is drowning in debt.
I am scared for my country when Labour gets in 😢
Go back 15 years ,have we all been living the highlife.
When the Tories took over the debt to GDP was about 65% after the financial crash, its now close to 100% - some record on financial stewardship! The Tories have been corrupt and incompetent. No doubt people will be disappointed by a new Labour government as it will struggle to deliver change with such high levels of national debt.
@@freebornjohn2687 But there was no deficit in 1997. The books balanced.
Major/Clarke left hefty budget surpluses up to £20 billion during Blair's first term but squandered by spendthrift, profligate Brown.
Labour is keen on spending taxpayers money and make towns poorer.
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Peter Hitchens is absolutey right,
Peter Hitchens continues to be the most honest commentator in Britain
@DaboooogA. Certainly not. Douglas Murray beats him hands down.I admire Peter Hitchens. But he tends to talk down to those he talks to.
I heard Starmer announce his manifesto today. I hadn't recognised his voice and took it to be that of minor local politician.. Not the least impressive, no facts, no tradeoffs, no vision. Just a 'let's not frighten the centrist voters'
Hitchens never changes. He criticises everything and everyone, and when challenged to state what he would like to see, he has no idea and no vision.
a master of chatting pure waffle
@@piers_bellman I remember Hitchens from my schooldays. He was the, ahem, intellectually challenged brother of the brilliant Christopher. He left under a cloud to an obscure new Yorkshire place of further education. His subsequent career, such as it is, is an astonishing example of chutzpah.
@@johnfitton2889 Very interesting. But not surprising.
@michaelsandys. He is Mr Grouser the Grocer. It’s a blessing he never smiles - the very sight would curdle milk.
God I never thought i would tune into someone who I am diametrically opposed to on some very key issues. But as Bruce Lee once said "Take what is useful and discard what is not".
A great interview. Hitchins is right - better to vote against what you don't want. A much safer option.
After the last five years I can’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to vote for the Tories ever again but the problem is that it will probably be even worse under Starmer and most people know it!
Agree - hold your nose but make sure Labour doesn't get in.
Always a pleasure to listen to Peter and his thoughts on the contemporary state of Britain.
Starmer will transform the country into a socialist state, and the real horror show will begin.
Name one good thing the tories have done in 14 years of power?
I'm sorry, but this is laughable. Absolutely laughable.
Starmer is a neo-liberal.
How are people like you so shamelessly wrong?
Starmer is an extreme trotsky why don't the media pull him about it.
You know many socialists in this country don't support Starmer or the current labour party, right? You know he has booted out a bunch of his socialist MPs, right?
Do not underestimate the damage Labour will do to the UK even if it is only 1 term. Peter is absolutely right in this.
@@chriswebb7968 I'd rather vote Labour than a bloke who is a fan of Putin and Russia
No I woulnt vote reform
The Tories have been the most destructive party in British politics for years. Everything is worse. The past 14yrs have seen Britain decline by virtually every metric. Do you honestly fear Labour more than another five years of this current fiasco. When you talk about damage, which Labour policy could possibly be worse than Partygate, Liss Truss or the billions wasted in corrupt PPE contracts, failing schools, hospital waiting lists, zero growth, obscene weath inequality or the fact that in 14yrs the Tories cannot build a railway line from London to Manchester. The Tories are no longer a party they are a political embarrassment. Oh and please don't talk about lack of productivity when Jacob Rees Mogg lies full length on the benches of the House of Commons to answer questions. What contempt to show to every hard working person in this great country of ours. If the Tories disappear from the political landscape it will be such a positive step for the future of Britain.
@@Deano14397Farage has not expressed any support for Putin.
@@alanthorpe3640 fake news
"Some constitutional tinkering"
Amazing how you can belittle something so incredibly important.
Peter Hitchens is the most accurate, well informed commentator of this election.
Thank you for this interview. Very enlightening. Peter Hitchens 💯 on 🎯
THANK YOU PETER THE TRUTH IS HARSH BUT WE MUST LISTEN.
EVEN HARSHER IS WORKING OUT WHERE THE CAPS LOCK KEY IS.
'Whatever Nigel Farage is, he's not a conservative''. And whatever Peter Hitchens is, he's not a libertarian.
I thought he describes himself as a Conservative, not a Libertarian.
@@bluesnail5042 Yes but don't conservatives and especially Con-servatives talk a lot about individual freedom ? And don't they do that while advocating for the state to tell us what to do and how to live ?
Hitchens doesn't think anyone is a conservative.
I always enjoy listening to Hitchens because he has some wild takes and never know what he's gonna say
@@peterf08 You could say that about the local wino
Let's be honest. We shouldn't be voting Conservative after all of this. So, a vote for Conservatives is a vote for Labour!
Vote Reform!
The Conservative's record in office...
1. Highest energy bills in Europe.
2. Highest taxes in 70 years.
3. Highest interest rates since 2008.
4. Highest train fares in Europe.
5. Longest waiting lists in NHS history.
6. Raw Tory sewage pumped into rivers.
7. Lowest corporate taxes in 50 years.
8. Lowest State Pension in Europe.
9. Highest Immigration both legal and illegal ever.
10. Destroyed the NHS dentist service.
11. Brexit.
12. One failed Prime Minister after another.
13. Worlds shortest in post Prime Minister which created a financial disaster.
14. More corrupt MP's than any other party in parliament.
15. Europe's longest Austerity for the lower paid.
16. Highest Council Tax rates in the World.
17. Reduced our Armed Forces more than any other G8 country.
18. Highest number of MP's that have been arrested for sexual offences.
19. Highest number of MP's that have been sacked for corruption and Fraudulent acts.
20. Voted to allow Bankers to have unlimited bonus's even though the bankers caused the crash of 2008.
21. More libraries closed due to council cuts than any other modern country.
22. Ruined and destroyed the Train services by giving private companies tax payers money as subsidies.
23. Voted against Labours creation of the minimum wage.
24. Wasted billions of Tax payers money on crony PPE contracts for their friends and other Tory donors.
25. Sold off 600 Police Stations.
26. Sold off our Courthouses.
27. Closed then sold our Fire Stations.
28, Failed to fix - repair our schools.
29. Cut spending on youth services.
30. Court backlog is at record levels
31. Threw 30,000 pensioners to the wolves during the first wave of the pandemic.
32. Sold off our electrical grid to foreign companies.
33. Failed to build new affordable homes.
34. Wasted billions on HS2.
35. Failed to close Tax Loopholes.
36. Failed to build 40 new hospitals.
37. Failed to repair our crumbling roads.
38. Forced many councils into bankruptcy.
39. Failed to address the 4 million children living in poverty.
40. Cut spending on mental health services.
41. Privatised and sold off the nations Post Office - Gas - Water and Electricity Companies
42. Allowed BP and Shell to steal our Oil and Gas reserves whilst paying little to no taxes. (Norway has a Sovereign Wealth fund of over $1.6 trillion).
43. Sunaks failed RWANDA policy has cost approx 500m.
44. Increased the pension age.
45. Failed promise to end rough sleeping.
46. Failed promise to end Leaseholds.
47. Failed to Ban No Fault Evictions.
48. Failed to ban so-called conversion therapy.
49. Failed in their Levelling up promise.
50. Introduced Voter ID excluding thousands from voting.
51. Introduced the bedroom tax.
52. Forced disabled people to jump through hoops to claim benefits.
53. Britain now has more foodbanks than McDonalds.
54. Tried to implement fracking.
55. Failed to invest in green energy and electric vehicle recharging infrastructure.
56. Our National Debt is now 3 Trillion.
57. Failed to prepare or have sufficient PPE for a Pandemic even when it was No1 on the risk register...
58. Given free reign in Non-Dom billionaires and Media owners to cause societal division and fuel racism.
59. Promoted lunatics like Cruella, Mogg and Patel to high office.
60. Blocked the Russia report.
61. Gave us the highest diesel prices in Europe.
62. Closed and then sold off our onshore gas storage tanks to high end developers making the impact of the invasion of Ukraine worse by increasing the cost of gas.
63. Tripled the cost of University fees for students and locked them in their digs during the pandemic.
64. Grenfell.
65. Windrush.
66. Increased our National Debt to 3 Trillion.
67. Partygate.
68. G4S Prisons.
69. We are giving 8 million quid a day to landlords for migrant accommodation due to the Home Office go slow policy.
70. Little to no Border checks on goods and foods.
71. Sold the Farmers and Fishermen down the river.
Handed the currency speculators billions via Truss budget event and if it was not for the BoE would have ANNHILATED PENSIONS.
Handed billions to people who had nothing to do with PPE then wiped their collective hands of the issue.
Handed 35 billion plus for an app that disappeared, just like the money.
Another thing Hitchens seems forgetful of is Osborne. he nicked 180 billion from pensions.
All true. I still expect Labour to be worse though.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 Why? They weren't last time? The NHS worked properly, we had some social care. We were members of a great EU club that had loads of benefits to the UK. So give me labour over these corrupt rich kids anyday.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 Why? They weren't last time.
I think you'll find it was labour who destroyed dentistry in this country. The tories have had to endure a coalition with the libdem bedwetters, put the economy back together after labour's financial crash and usual bankrupting of the country, deal with covid and then an energy crisis caused by a mad Russian. If you had listed some of their achievements, it would have been easier to take your dirge more seriously, even the made up points.
Always worth listening to Hitchens - a real independent thinker, always thought provoking although always leaves me feeling more pessimistic!
Provoked me into thinking "I wish he'd walk off in a huff again". He's a bore, says a lot but nothing useful.
It is not the power of the corrupt I fear the most!..it is the power of the gullible !
Heard of the Brexit vote??
@@jumpa654 heard of the left hand path ? ..commie
Hitchens can't seem to agree with anything anyone says. To say Nigel Farage doesn't seem to believe in very much is ridiculous. It's his passion in what he believes in that energises him to carry on despite numerous setbacks. He's a conviction politician, like Thatcher. I don't agree with Hitchens' characterisation at all.
This person is a real ray of sunshine...is there anything that he's not fed up with or pessimistic about? Does he know how to smile or laugh? Imagine being trapped in a room with this guy for days on end. At least his brother had charisma....
Yes, he's not much fun. Occasionally he makes good points, but in this interview it seemed that he was only mad about Reform willing to legalise cannabis.
Ha Ha Ha your so right,what a miserable B he be
Rightly so I did not know Nigel Farage wants to legalize Cannibas, not right!
I believe he is auditioning for the part of Scrooge in the forthcoming event
He's just become a windbag with no solutions beyond enforcing laws against marijuana users.
Happy soul is Peter!
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He doesn't necessarily want to seem happy, he just wants to help his country.
Interesting to see many in the comments expressing surprise that Hitchens was right about Labour/Starmer. What were you expecting, I wonder?
Angela Rayner, David Lammy, Ed Miliband, God Help us.
Truss,Braverman,Jenrick, Johnson, Gove, Sunak???
@@joewilson4191 yes, different levels of stupid. Tories 8/10. Labour 10/10.
@@domzbu Your starter for 10 : which Labour politician is widely agreed to be less competent than a lettuce?
@@domzbu. And yourself 11/10
@@domzbuI would swap d scores and add the recent Tory failure nudging labour to be better, if only marginally better. For Tory 2 continue wld be to reward stupid, and get 20/10 stupidity levels.
How we needed David Davis instead of Cameron
Thick as mince.
Thick as mince David Davis?
Wtf??
David Davis is a decent man
@stephenholmes1036 absolutely right - David Davis would have made a great prime minister.
After a couple of years of Keir, the govt. will need to run to the IMF for a bailout
I have voted strategically for many years now. I voted for Blair in his first term, because I had always voted Labour - even though I didn't like him from the start. I didn't vote the next time round but I voted to get him out after the third time round and I have voted to keep Labour out since then.
No one asked or cares
Basically, as you get older you get more right wing. That figures.
@@joewilson4191 I don't pledge allegiance to anything; I look at politicians' levels of dishonesty and consider who is capable of the most potential harms.
@@SplashTasty righty-ho, pet.
Very sensible, imo
I agree, Corbyn has values and ethics, like them or not you knew where you were, it was refreshing, Starmer lies and takes advice from Mandleson who rolled with Epstein, tells you everything 🏴
You are right .His inherent Eurosceptiism contributed hugely to the leave result by adopting a neutral stance in the 2016 referendum.
@@jonnobloggs8642Contributed hugely how? On what measure? Where's your evidence of causality?
@Daniel-sg2vo Hiding behind a cloak of neutrality opened a path for Farage to gaslight many Labour northern voters with his very clever and surreptitious anti immigrant rhetoric which Corbyn did not properly challenge being the serial dithered he always has and always will be .
Any other Labour at the time of the referendum would have been on top of Farage like a ton of bricks and would have campaigned vigorously for the Remain cause .I would strongly suggest that this would have made all the difference in the outcome of the result and I think you are either very naive to think it wouldn't or you are a fellow left wing Eurosceptic like Mr Corbyn trying to make excuses for his inadequacy.
I thought that the "Come out of the Common Market" vote was massive & we would be in charge of our own cross channel borders & there'd be No more Mass immigration legal or illegally BUT it's just be a massive waste of time & money us all voting .It's gone Worse! Think we've been all kidded Again by that lot in Parliament..
Don't fall for Labour's wealth creation pledges. Labour strategists want to change property laws to gain control of the wealth stored in private houses and homes. The plan is to force older people, and people without children, to move into small flats built for them in the local community. Thereby, freeing up family homes for councils to control and let out.
It maybe wealth creation - but for who?
Rentier Capitalism are the words you're looking for.
@@ianmarsden8568International Finance Capital
'You'll own nothing and be happy'
Not too dissimilar to what the Bolsheviks did. Watch CGT being charged on private house sales, that will be one of the first things Labour will do. It will flatline the housing market and steal ordinary people's money. The left ignore the huge amount of interest paid by homeowners over the lifetime of a mortgage. Unless they paid cash no-one actually pays the asking price of a home.
You just made me change my mind. Thank you
I am loyal to Conservative
We are true Britain 🇬🇧
Of course I support reform as well
Nigel Farage is just as honest as he always been
Common Nigel ❤
It's always a joy to hear the eternally doleful P H. As always, he is probably right about most things..
As always? He just bores people to death by complaining about others. He never comes up with solutions or suggestions. Ever.
@@alan_davis The suggestion he's making here is vote against the Labour party - it seems to me.
@@alan_davis Read his books.
@@Ruda-n4h I have. I find them rambling and unfocused.
@tonycoxall7370 yes, but if they weren't leading in the polls he would be saying "don't vote for [insert leading party here]". He's a contrarian.
Vote to stop Starmer
But not Tory
@@adrianryan5654 whatever’s needed to stop Starmer
@@radicalrodriguez5912 no! Tory is one side of the globalist elites Uniparty and Labour is the other. They don’t care who is in power because they control them both, it has to be a protest vote of politics will not change in the UK and if politics does not change, really change, then you will wake up one day in a One World Government, courtesy of Blair and Cameron…
Fraser Nelson is insufferable
I unsubscribed months ago
He belongs on CNN
Only here for Peter
Frasier Nelson seems quite complimentary of Blair's record. This is the very problem with these internationalist, marry a foreigner Conservatives. They, like all too many Conservative MPs, are in the wrong party. The Conservative Party must be gutted so that a new effective party can come through that puts the interests of British citizens first, second, every time.
If you think marrying a foreigner is a bad thing then there is something seriously wrong with you.
All parties should be for the interests of the British citizens. What are you talking about?
The Conservative Party has never put the interests of British citizens first. It's put the interests of the wealthy first. As would Reform, quite frankly. You expect a spivvy former bankster to save Britain? 🤣
You never get what you voted for...sums it up.
The National health service wouldn't make keir starmer wait for treatment. That's why he can use the service and say its excellent. As for NHS staff they are treated first because of their job. The nhs invest in the health of their staff. To not treat an NHS worker quickly is to be a man down.
Can't the same be said for any private healthcare provider as well?
What concerns me is that the NHS will become an even worse bureaucracy than it already is. Unlimited oney will be pumped into it, all from borrowing and there will be no reform at all.
Post evidence of each point.
Glad to see Peter again. I do miss his brother
His Brother was just 20x smarter and it wasnt even close
Yeah - Chris Hitch was a one off - and what he said about Michelle Obama and the Clintons bears listening to every so often to remind ourselves of the putrid, deadly, clueless - thieving LEFT.
@@SplashTasty I would say they're actually very similar in intellect...Christopher just had all of the Hitchens family's charisma.
Peter Hitchens on fine form. Thank you.
Unfortunately, I think Peter is right in his characterisation of Sir Kid Starver.
The Tories are the kid stsrvers. Millions of kids in poverty. Uttery disgusting from the Tories. A vile party.
And Nigel Farage.
Sir Keen Groomer
I wonder if these nicknames will catch on...Probably, but after he is free to break all of his promises of economic granduer. Then he'll get verbally attacked but it will be too late, because he'll be in power.
@@kurtisprice3418 His middle name is Rodney so he could be in line for a few 'what a plonker' lines but the tabloids probably don't know that.
According to their rhetoric at the time, Labour would have locked-down longer and harder than the Government's already excessive measure.
Exactly a dictator in the making
I have never seen anyone challenge Peter as much as Fraser I think they are frightened of him. Well done Fraser.
He doesn’t take challenge gracefully, as if he’s annoyed/hurt. It’s childish (but not uncommon). I think he’s become old.
Who are 'they'?
@@jstewart4205 ‘They’ are others who I have seen interview him in the past. I would have thought that was self explanatory
Blair was THE start of the downfall.
BLAIR set the standard for trashing the constitution acting like a tyrannical dictator ignoring his cabinet and the will of the people
They have all done there selves right by being in charge,yet the people that gave them the chance are the losers in every way
I suspect it began with Thatcher, and Blair was merely her acolyte.
BLIAR.
Corbyn is leagues above Starmer as a human being and in policy
He is the very best Prime Minister we never had. He would have been just the steady hand needed in global politics in order to avoid escalation of conflict and WW3.
Peter is right ,!
What does Labour know about wealth creation???
That maybe everyone should be able to?
Blair 1997 - 2007. 40 consecutive quarters of growth.
@@GeoffV-k1h but Blair was a conservative! I voted for him twice, I know a conservative when I hear one!
@@deal2liveI think you just lost the argument...
@@dbefore7165 Except Starmer doesn't care about everyone else. He's a Blairite cockroach which means he's only out for himself and his own personal advancement. People like that are a cancer in politics.
To quote Dad's Army "We're all domed Captain Mainwaring"
Very tired
In Ireland we have just voted on Local and European elections and the centre ground won. Sinn Féin polling in the 30’s % landed at about 12% …. Nobody saw that coming .. a complete shock .. and a shock to SF most of all …
I get the feeling most people are seasick from the sways back and forth from extreme left and right.
Can only hope the USA, UK and France(Europe) also eventually get back to more centre left and centre right policies. (less polerization and less dangerous populists popping up)
Unfortunately the UK will have to through another 3 million immigrants and 5 years of Starmer
He needs to get on board with Reform UK once they pass the Tories. THEY CAN GET ZERO SEATS, IT JUST TAKES A BIT MORE PUSHING.
After UKIP finished with 14% of the vote and only 1 seat to show for it, that's about where the Tories need to be driven.
Peter Hitchens is an extremely perceptive political and social commentator and invariably correct
Nice to see Hitchens school another journalist on the current reality of UK politics rather than the Westminster bubble version fed through the media.
The economy did not grow well under the last Labour government. Why pretend? It was an economic boom based on credit and house prices. Which collapsed in 2008 leaving us with a deficit to gdp of 6.9% in 2010.
Exactly.....millions also up to their necks with credit card debts which de-stabilised the economy.
One man with a secret £100k debt committed suicide.
and this government spent 14 years trying to clean it up
If you are 55 or older, please check your UK pension fund value and take ownership of it now…. Then you can check as it fairs daily, weekly or monthly.
Labour will tax tax tax, vat petrol diesel will go up and up
....and rocketing council tax.
Always enjoy listening to Peter but rarely agree with him. He obviously fears devolution of power away from Westminster, I welcome it.
Flaw in Hitchens' strategy: voting lib dem or green will not keep Labour out. Those parties will more than happily form a Labour-led coalition government.
Wealth creation for him is what Starmer really means!
lol you are a child
The only change you will get with labour, is what is in your pocket, they will take all of the pounds.
Highest tax rates ever today.
Tory government.
What is the format. Here? Interview or Discussion? Please decide.
Debate as it used to be..
I have been on the fence about Labour, but after learning Pete Hitch is against them I'll definitely be voting Labour.
Disagree with his politics but on his view of our current predicament, Hitchins is spot on. I for one have decided that regardless of how it will affect the result in my area, I will vote with my conscience and give my vote to Reform, We have to start somewhere.
Funny how Starmer avoids debates with Farage, I wonder why (clue he would lose).
When is Sunaks debate happening? Did it happen already ?
It's easy to win an argument when you're never held accountable.