The Sixty 60ci Indian Scout Engine is the Smartest Choice!
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2022
- Overview of the incredible Indian Scout lineup with comparison between the standard Scout and Scout Sixty engines, against each other and the competition. Why the Sixty 60 ci version of the cruiser, bobber, or Rogue version is usually the best option.
Thanks to @beastmodescout for letting me ride his Scout Bobber with the Revolution Performance Big Bore Kit and for use of his pictures. Yes, that is him ripping a wheelie on his Scout, not me (though I cannot confirm nor deny that the front end came up on me).
I have no affiliation with Revolution Performance and all opinion expressed in this video are solely my own based on personal experience. - Авто та транспорт
I own the scout 60 2021 model and I just love this Motorcycle, also one thing that I really love is that on the Highway at 65/70 mph it does not shake like the Harley Sportsters. Indians Rock!
Inflation is insane because MSRP has gone from 9.5k to 12k so far this year
Since your comment. Where I’m from. 16k for scout 20.
Thanks Joe Biden
@@CantTreadOnMeHow is it you blame the American president for global inflation?
@anthonymahan6241 I blame him for the American hyperinflation because he is the one who came in and immediately waged war on American energy, which is a massive component to the American economy and price of goods. He reversed just about every working Trump energy policy we had that gave us a booming economy, affordable goods and a thriving middle class. Look at the inflation charts from 2016 to 2023 and you will see that we were at around 1-1.5% inflation consistently even throughout the pLandemic until Biden came in and immediately signed almost 100 executive orders, closing down Keystone pipeline amongst many others as well as contracts destroying American energy and all future speculatory hope for American energy and independence. He also said we would phase out oil in 10 years, what a fkn moron!
He also destroyed our border that we finally had the best handle on just about ever haulting completing border wall and allowed at minimum 11 million people flood in and all expenses paid on our tax dime. Energy is everything and touches everything and he destroyed it intentionally. We had a bright future with our own liquid gold that we controlled, we supplied and kept affordable. We were reliant on ourselves during Trump and now we are reliant on adversarial countries. There is so much I can tear Biden apart on but his energy policy is a massive part of why America is dogshit under his incompetence.
@@CantTreadOnMe Biden? Excessive inflation, post-pandemic, is worldwide. In the U.S., the inflation rate is now (January, '24) 1/2 of what it was when Trump left office, and continuing to trend downward. But knowing that requires some simple research, rather than the easier, "Thanks Joe Biden" nonsense.
Thank you for such an informative comparison to other bikes and manufacturers! Love the fact that there’s no background music for distraction and I’m able to focus in on the facts presented! Keep up the great work and again thank you for the UA-cam post!
I disagree with your assessment. The Scout 60 comes with a 54mm throttle body rather than the 60mm throttle body on the Scout 69. When you install a Revolution Performance big bore kit on a Scout 60 it will not make the same horsepower/ torque as a modified Scout 69 “unless” you purchase the larger 60mm throttle body which is an additional $500-$700 with labor. And you will still have a brute of a bike with a 5 speed transmission. Not a problem on a stock cruiser but a big issue on a performance built motorcycle. You should also upgrade the cams (Andrews makes 420s for the street and 450’s for drag racing) while you have the engine apart. In addition the stock Scout clutch is not able to handle the increased horsepower/torque. It will fail. You also need a custom ECU tune to make all the engine/intake/exhaust modifications play nice and to make peak horsepower/torque. How do I know all this? From experience. Slapping a RP big bore kit on a Scout is NOT a $1,500 job. To do it correctly you are looking at $5,000-$7000. By the way I also recommend a Free Spirits Brembo front brake upgrade with a 320mm rotor. My Scout is “stupid fast” and the stock front brake is not up to the task.
Very good points Sir, I'm happy with my 2016 Scout 69 with slip on upgrade rather than spunking out 6 grand extra. End of the day, it's a cruiser, a beast of a cruiser, but 90% of the time I'm just cruising.
Yes: suddenly increasing the displacement of a stock engine, without considering other related concerns, whether it's the ECU tune, the clutch, transmission, brakes, or cooling, is a recipe for problems. Potential buyers of this big bore kit should be advised what it will cost to do it right.
The bike runs 107mph in 3rd gear I don't think having a 6th gear matter's
Awesome break down of the two differences. Thanks!
Gran video, muchas gracias. Hoy estoy comprando mi sixty en mexico, y ha sido de gran calma tu video y los comentarios de los propietarios!! 🖤😎
I've been looking at getting a Scout for a few months now. I have my eyes on a Victory Octane but if I can't get it you've definitely talked me into reconsidering the Scout Sixty.
Brilliant idea! You just convinced me 60 Rogue is the way to go. Thanks man!
My last bike was a chieftain and I want a mid size cruiser to rip around the hills. This is a great idea man
I went with the 69 rogue. Can't help but look at her with admiration. Stealth grey. Best looking bike in my county.
I just recently purchased a 2022 scout sixty storm blue and after watching this video I am more than happy with my purchase. Looking forward to do upgrades in the future.
The storm blue is the color I want and it's only available in the Scout 60. It's a bit frustrating that the color options are so limited on the bobbers and the full Scout 69
The Indian scout sixty bobber, is the best bike I have ever owned. Owned a couple of Harleys and an Royal Enfield. Because of my disability, I like low profile motorcycles. It also has some getup and go, plus durability.
Are you a woman?
super interesting. great video!
I became a huge Scout fan after owning many big bikes. I sold my beloved Scout and picked up a left over FTR. That was my performance upgrade, lol. That said--The Scout is a much smoother, more comfortable ride than the FTR.
I still have my wife's Scout 60.....and it is really all anyone needs in a bike. I don't know about the longevity if the Revolution kit is added. The stock Scout is good for well over 100k miles.
I did something similar. Sold my Scout for a Vintage, then later bought an FTR for the performance side. Miss the Scout though, as it's such a great platform. Maybe I'll pick up a Rogue Sixty someday...
@@RidgeRoamer I've had many bikes, but I've only wanted 2 back. My Ducati S2r, and my Scout. If they had a standard version of the Scout...like a Speedtwin....I'd be sold.
I really like the way you think!!! That’s how I plan when buying pc’s. Thank you so much for the insight.
Thanks for the comment. Enjoy!
Sounds like a lot of money and work to only be slightly better than a stock Scout. A lot of the savings you mention are completely dependent on the area in which you live and whats available to you. I personally wouldn't get the 60 because I'm not one to do a ton of mods to the engine. Exhaust and and possibly an intake, sure, but thats about as much as I'd want to dive into in that department. And I like 6 gears on a motorcycle. 5 just doesn't feel right to me. So for me, if it doesn't come off the showroom floor with the kind of power I'm looking for then that aint the one for me. For me the clear choice is the 69 cubic inch version. But for the mod lovers out there I can see why the 60 is appealing.
True man
It's less money that a stock scout (69cu in) buying a sixty and adding the big bore kit and you get a little more hp + a lot more torque - and that's before you add airbox and exhaust. That was the whole point of the video.
From my understanding, the 5 speed in the 60 is identical to the 6 speed minus 5th gear. So 5th in the 60 is the same ratio as 6th. Since you'll hit the 120mph speed limiter in 4th gear @ 7200rpm, there's no real advantage to having the 6 speed. I've also heard that the 60 is tuned to start partially closing the throttle at 5800rpm. There's only a 133cc difference in engine size, so with just a tune the power numbers will be surprisingly close.
The final gear ratio on the 2 is not the same. Look on the sight u will see. 6th is taller
What a smart responses
What source for the scout shutting the throttle down?
@@slaytanic921 Sorry, I don't remember the exact title. It was a UA-cam video where some guys were dyno tunning a scout.
The 6th on the 1133 is ever so slightly lower than the 5th on the Sixty, but I test rode a Sixty and an 1133 yesterday at a dealer and on the highway there's almost no difference in power when you stay below 5k RPMs (which will easily get you over 80 in top gear on both bikes). The big advantage of the 6 speed is that 5th gear is perfect for cruising at the 40-50mph range and the 5 speed makes you have to change gears a bit more between 4th and 5th if you live in the hills or mountains. Not worth the extra markup in my opinion though. Bought a Sixty Rogue yesterday.
Love the scout this is exactly the argument for the 60 I’ve been making. The dollar amount doesn’t add up for the larger engine. The value for me with the amount of riding I can do the 60 is fine for me.
Awesome. Thanks for your input! The 60 is a great engine!
Nice video
Thanks you for sharing
Great video,can’t forget about the old Honda V65 magna and the old yamaha Vmax,both super fast stock bikes with great torque back in the day!
Have a Scout Sixty on order. Waiting is going to be tough.
😮Great Video 😮
Five speed transmission in the sixty it's a deal breaker for me
Thanks for posting personally like open both would love to meet the engineer who came up with a 3 gallon gas tank for a hundred horsepower
HELLLL YEEEAH THANK YOU!
I’ve got a 21 Scout 60 with a 2-1 exhaust and stage 1. Absolutely love the bike but added floor boards, 10” minis, and a quarter fairing and it’s a whole other ride.
Which floor boards? I am looking for some for my scout.
@@slaytanic921 Indian makes their own floorboards for the Scout.
@@TroubleTrucker gotcha, selection seems very limited on their website though. You bought their offerings? How do you like them?
@@slaytanic921 I really liked them over the pegs. More foot room and better support. It looks great too.
I actually found out about this ONE DAY after I bought my Scout Bobber. That said, I bought it a day after Indian announced it was raising the MSRP on them as well, which just made my bike worth around $750 more than when I bought it. I got a 2018 with 2,000 miles on it for $9,500. I paid about $70 in tax and $250 for a lender fee. I can pay it off early for $100 early payoff fee, which puts me at a total cost of $9,920.
So the question is, knowing that I want to do a big bore kit, and knowing that my insurance cost would go down because the VIN would say it was a smaller engine, and knowing the Sixty engine is more blacked out with less polish like I would prefer, should I sell it, and then go get a Scout Bobber Sixty? ALSO I have a friend who works on bikes for a living and would help me install the big bore kit. So I don't have to worry about labor costs.
These are the thoughts rattling around in my head...
Ended up getting a 2017 scout sixty tho I had to get the extended reach seat, then tossed on a set of gp shorty exhaust (tips) and a trask performance intake. I absolutely love my bike I know I need to go have it tuned but with just a intake and exhaust it's a completely different ride not to mention how freaking loud it is. Now my oldest daughter wants one in white
I mean, you could always go for the FTR rather than messing with the Scout.
One thing I always worry about when trying to increase the power and preformance of a stock motorcycle is whether the changes will cause a lot more wear and tear on the bike and drastically decrease mechanical reliability.
Got a 2020 bobber tuned, shorty gp pipes and indian intake. Its a rocket 🚀
Im wanting to do it does it actually make a noticable difference after the tune and intake??
Already have exhaust
@@thomasglover3834 world of improvement. I out down 81hp to the wheel so it's way better than stock. I've got big scout power
@@scooterbobscout ah thanks mate
@@thomasglover3834 no problem! Give dynojet a call!
@@scooterbobscout wait! Now i have more questions ScoutBro 😃
Dynojet PV3 yeah?
Not a power commander
I bought my bobber way before I was aware of this. After watching this video and knowing the performance of the bobber, I am not sure I would opt for more power. I love my bike and it's plenty powerful in stock version. I do want to change out the exhaust and seat however. All of the mods I'm considering are for looks.
I own two motorcycles that are stock and I'm always pass the speed limit before a blink of an eye, so why on Earth would I need more horsepower, I doubt they're going to raise the speed limit anytime soon.
Boys, just get a full size Scout and throw a pair of slip ons on there, you'll be happy.
I bought a scout 60 and am very impressed. Yeah. I ride that more and it's an impressive bike. Harley is going to slowly die with this competition.
can you do 4th gear burnouts with the big bore kit
The big bore kit is now $1,699 (as of 3/23) so it has gone up along with the bikes MSRP
I ended up buying a 2022 FTR base model for similar reasons. Firstly, I don't need riding modes and I kinda dislike the big rectangular TFT on the S/Carbon, if they used the same one the Chiefs use I may have reconsidered. Secondly, I knew I was going to soup it up a bit with a 2 into 1 exhaust & tune, so paying for akropovic exhausts would be quite a waste. Also, I'm fine with upgrading the suspension to an Ohlins when mine eventually needs replacement. So while a few of my decisions were purely cosmetic(black bike, cylinder HUD), many times it really is better in the long run to get in the base model then make upgrades that actually surpass the pricier superior stock versions.
I really wish they would use the Chief 4 inch round ride command system on the Scout, Springfield and FTR!
Tbh, if you buy the 60, the 120 hp kit will cost you 7k+ if you have the work done by pros with tuning upgrades, parts and labor. Having said that, i doubt you'll have a warranty with Indian if you do it yourself and it'll be all on you if something goes wrong installing it costing you more money to "fix" it.
If 2k separates the 60 from the regular Scout, and your sold on a 120hp upgrade, think carefully if you cant do the needed work for a 120hp upgrade on a scout 60 vs buying a 100 hp scout.
When i use the 7k+ cost to have that work done, thats coming from blackwidow powersports and was 5 months ago. Just know what you're getting yourself into if you cant do the work yourself.
Would the dealer have the Revolution Big Bore Kit or do I have to get it from an aftermarket place? I have the 2021 Scout 60 and want to take it to the max with this and air box and exhaust upgrade as well.
I can't speak for all Indian dealers, but my local dealership is a dealer for Revolution Performance, so it can be ordered and installed right at the dealership, by an Indian certified service tech.
I am currently renting bikes on ridersshare to decide what I want. I really appreciated your video and the perspective on upgrade value to the 60. My only critique is that while it has plenty of power for Highway riding, the 60 revs too high with the five speed. found myself constantly wanting another gear. As a balancing perspective, I think both are very expensive bikes and being able to rev lower with that high-performance motor on the highway. Might be a nice to have and would push me to buy the standard 69 for the transmission
5th gear in the scout 60 is the same gear as 6th in the scout 69. I just looked and the 6th gear in the scout 69 is 3.81 to 1 and the scout 60 is 4.087 to one. I was wrong
Okay you CANNOT say the big bore kit will cost $1,299.95 plus labor..
Its $2,545.87 with labor and tax.
Now this DOES NOT include the upgraded clutch that you ABSOLUTLY must do, $795.49 with labor and tax.
Also you need a new tune. $439.00. (Usually won’t charge labor)
And do you absolutly need new brakes for this big bore?… eh…Most reputable mechanics will say yes. Would be wildly irresponsible not to upgrade the already lacking brakes on the scout. $959.99 labor and tax.
And you will need new oil, and antifreeze. $279.00 labor and tax. Oh and the oil kit is $78.93
And if you’re in there doing all that might as well do the 420 or 450 cams too, I mean, who does a big bore with out a stage 2!?!? That’s crazy!? So… $668.50
Throw in a nice lithium battery so that new cammed big bore engine turns over smoothly to start every time. $364.99 tax and labor.
IF my math is correct that’s around $5326.28, out of pocket, cash money….
Is this worth it, to some people absolutely. But I personally don’t think you can say “Get a scout 60, it’s $2000 less that the Scout and you can throw a big bore kit in for $1200 bucks and be more powerful. Yea. No. Power to price ratio- scout all day.
Have the extra cash laying around for the big bore and all accoutrement sure. Why not, 99.9% of scout or scout 60 owners won’t. I only know of one guy that has. Mark on Indianmotorcycles.net
See his build here along with the invoice from the shop that did the work. I didn’t make those numbers up.
www.indianmotorcycles.net/threads/mark-lb-2021-scout-bobber-build.343608/post-3654884
But. IF you KNOW before buying a scout/60 that you’re going to do the big bore, yes, got with the 60! Good advice!
Ride safe.
Basic recap of my video: Most people don't need more power than the Sixty offers, in order to go cruise, commute, and have fun riding. It competes well against all the other mid size cruisers on the market. But if you want more power and are going to build a true performance cruiser, put the savings from buying the Scout Sixty towards the big bore kit, then get your exhaust, intake, tune, etc that you will do anyway. I agree that no one is going to do a big bore kit and zero other mods. It gets expensive. That's a rabbit hole I've been down many times myself...
@@RidgeRoamer haha I feel ya! I just followed that build closely and knew where to find the numbers.
I’d love to build my scout. But I’ll have to piece it together.
I know a few people that bough a 60 because they were newer riders, and after a month or so regretted not just getting the scout, or upgrading to a chief.
Would you recommend the scout sixty to a older new rider really love the style of the scout sixty looking at maybe a rogue thanks
Definitely. Scout Sixty is so easy to handle compared to many other cruisers. Lower weight, lower seat height. It makes a great first bike, but I also know lots of very experienced riders that have downsized to the Scout and Scout Sixty because it makes riding easier and more enjoyable.
I just bought a scout sixty rogue. I wish I got it last year. I would have saved a few thousand. But nonetheless, I can't wait to go pick it up Saturday.
Congratulations!
I'm unfortunate enough to live in Norway and love motorcycles, which means import taxes and reg fees. I absolutely LOVE the scout lineup, but an indian scout bobber in Norway costs $26,000...
I've been looking at a Kawasaki Vulcan S ($12,300) as it's one of the cheapest cruiser options available here, and when I learned about the sixty I was extatic! Unfortunately it's not being sold in Norway.. I've calculated the norwegian price to be about $19,600, which is definitely something I'd be willing to consider. I hate Norwegian motorcycle prices...
That sounds rough. Sorry to hear. Can you get European brands at less of a markup? Triumph or BMW?
@@RidgeRoamer No it's all pretty much the same price ranges. I think it's import tax to Norway that's expensive, so a Norwegian brand would in theory be dirt cheap here. Husqvarna is swedish if I recall correctly, so they might be cheaper. a Svartpilen 401 sells for $8,200 for what it's worth. No idea what it costs in the rest of the world though. Theres not really anything from Husqvarna that tickles my fancy anyway tbh
I drove both of them and the 60 was smoother and felt about the same power-wise.
I like your video but I like to ride from state to state and I just feel that the 6-speed will still be better for long driving.
Your also forgetting the honda rebel 1100 puts out 86 hp although its a parallel. Im considering either this bike or the Scout Sixty
NOTE: The big bore kit for the Scout is NOT bolt on. Yes, you can get a Scout 60 from 985cc to 1295cc, BUT, you have to send the company your motor so they can drill it out (or take bike to shop). The kit alone is $1,200 - $1,700, to get all the work done, combined, runs between $3,000 and $4,000. Remember, all this only happens AFTER you, yes YOU, take the engine out of your motorcycle and ship it to them. Either that, or you take your bike to a shop and then they take it apart to do the work, roughly another $500 - $1,000 more.
Yes, you can buy the Scout 60 and upgrade with the big bore kit. Total cost: between $3,000 and $5,000 and a bike out of commission from a couple weeks to a couple months (depending if you ship it out). And the ONLY way you're getting the numbers on the low end is because you are taking your motor out, then putting it back in yourself (then someone's going to have to tune it on a dyno if you don't have one of those sitting in your garage).
That's a lot of money for the extra 160 cc's, but that's all it is over the Rogue, 160 cc's and $2,000 - $3,000 more than if you bought the Rogue 69 in the first place.
When I bought my 883 Harley Sportster back in 2000, everybody kept telling me to get the 1200 Big Bore Kit. Maybe when the bike wears out I might do that when I can't bore out cylinders and the Pistons are all worn out. I have 370,000 miles on my Sportster that I've had for over 20 years. The bike outlasted my liquid-cooled 4 valve cam chain driven Honda because the campaign broke in the Honda and snapped the camshaft into and then tore through the water pump. Bike was toast but then I had 250,000 miles on the bike when it finally died. Gear Drive almost never wears out but it doesn't destroy the engine when it does. I don't need extra horsepower. My 1965 Triumph TR6 makes around 45 horsepower or so with the single carb and that's good enough for me to cruise 70 miles an hour all day. I was worried about the cam chain drive in my Airhead BMWs, my 1977 100/ 7 BMW the bike had half a million miles on it until the car hit us even BMW don't survive that. New Indian company descended from Polaris makes stuff that Harley couldn't even think about. And the sub $10,000 price is great for an American-made bike. Nobody ever had problems with a victory motor. The twin-cam and the m 8 car full of nothing but Factory in to see problems that glow up on the customer who paid lots of money for a very expensive bike that spends half it's time in the shop. You don't see any videos with people having to fix built-in problems with an Indian. Everything they build is solid and reliable. But a shaft drive would be nice. Ashamed at corporate Harley drove up the price on the Sportster to drive down its sales because Sportsters were its biggest seller. It's a shame they shut down the Kansas City plant because it made sportsters and V-Rod and that would be enough start somebody's own-brand, and the liquid-cooled V-Rod motor which was an excellent motor Porsche design it should be in more type of models instead of just one uncomfortable quasi drag bike. The V-Rod motor would have made an excellent motor for the big touring bikes. And a new Sportster s is ugly as Sin. It looks like somebody on acid drew it for a anime cartoon! The new Revolution motor is 80s Japanese technology don't matter what day do they are always behind. Always a day late and a dollar short. Nevermind their price gouging, Shady sales practices, loading the bike with options just to drive up the price, and generally just bad customer service all the way around. It's funny how I see videos where people wish AMF was back. Frankly I don't see why anybody buys anything from Harley corporate at all everything they sell is junk outside of Sportster the old are cool version. The new piece of garbage already had such a list of Manufacturers defects that it's astonishing. No Japanese company would ever think of putting out a a motorcycle with the problems that the twin cams and the Harley M8 have had since the beginning. If I was going to buy a new bike I would go with the Indian sport 60. But I think my air-cooled Evolution Sportster will probably Outlast me. Ride safe!
Thank you for your comment. I wouldn't worry too much about the belt drive on the Indians. I know someone who replaced theirs I believe around 380k. Not really because it needed it, but as preventative maintenance with some other items.
370000 miles! Harley should give you a new one and put yours on display.
"Indians" are junk. I've seen how the direction of a Scout was torn apart after a slight fall. Really. There are documented cases, in Spanish, where the owners have experienced the break of the frame, by the area where the direction is installed, when riding. I've seen those frames, that's why I say "Indians" are junk. Victory motorcycles had some problems in the gearbox, but I can't remember the specific models.
Now, I own a 2005 Softail and a 2007 Sportster that run with no problems. The Sportster has been beaten up, yet it's running strong after all these years. I've had two falls with it and the frame hasn't cracked unlike the "Indians".
@@omarsalgado9715 You realize there are many documented cases of broken frames on Harleys too, right? And blown engines, and failed transmissions. It's a machine. They can break. All of them. Doesn't matter what brand. There are no perfect, infallible motorcycles on the market, nor will there ever be. I am glad you are enjoying your Softail and your Sportster. Hopefully you didn't jinx yourself. Ride safe!
@@RidgeRoamer Yes, I'm aware of that. I hoped you replied just that, because that's the reality of not just Harley, but of every motorcycle brand.
I ride a scout but I’d love an FTR!
They are a blast, but hard to just cruise on. They want to be ridden hard all the time
Can you another video about this upgrade.. who sells it? Who offers install etc
I can do another video, but it is sold by Revolution Performance: www.revolution-performance.com/Scout79bigbore.php
And my recommendation is to have it installed at your local Indian dealership, since they are the highest trained on your engine.
You failed to compare transmission difference when upgrading the 60 ci vs the 69 ci to the 79 ci kit installation! I"m an old timer remembering the 1200cc 74 ci Shovelhead with its 4 speed transmission using the 1:1 gear ratio in each gear...then upgrading to the Baker 6-into-4 transmission, changing the gearing to 1:1 for gears 1 thru 5, then a change in gearing to 1: .86 in 6th gear providing approximately a 500 RPMS drop in gear ratio and a smoother highway ride! SO........I assuming the 69 ci Scout, with the installation of the 79 ci kit, WILL provide a smoother, less effort transmission benefit over the 60 ci with that same 79ci kit installation. What's you take on this?
Now the 975 too.
This would be a more interesting in a couple of days when the new smaller sportster is revealed
We will see what they have to offer. I may do another comparison video just between the Scout and the new Sportster. Might be time for Indian to do Scout upgrade.
@@RidgeRoamer aren’t they announcing coming out with the scout rogue?
@@Bearman26. The Rogue has the same performance as the other Scouts though. I'm saying the new Sportsters are upping their performance, so Indian may need to increase theirs too.
The numbers you're saying are stock on a 2018 scout bobber
Got the scout 60 done few modifications from 1000 to 1300 she's a sleeper keeps them guessing
What did you di
@@kennysuarez7262 got big bore kit from Revolution in US. Magic.
P / W ratio: Rogue 1133 ~0.18 | Rouge 1000 ~0.14 negligible but in the upper mids (~7K) you feel the 1133 kick some butt!! 6th gear is where my overdrive kicks in and I'm at ~120mph at a cool 6200rpm cruising all day -- say hello.
Other than that, please stop wasting your money and fidgeting around with extra $$$ on $1,300 gimmicks to get you the bitcin' ass bike (ROUGE) that you wanted in the first place. I say, get it now and avoid the hassle of buyer's remorse and shoulda-woulda-coulda... YOU DESERVE IT.
Rogue! Rogue! Rogue - WTF is a 'Rouge' ??? FFS. Even if i sub Rogue for Rouge you argument is non sense.
Finally someone to tell me that the main difference between the two is 6 spd v 5 spd and 9 ci capacity. Everyone else goes on and on about cosmetics and doesn't mention those 2 things
If Harley doesn't price the new sportster at around 10,000 there sales won't do well against scout sixty end of story
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Rebel 1100 is a new competitor
Yes, Rebel 1100 is amazing bang for the buck! I have a couple Hondas, and I love them, but I personally have always hated the Rebel styling and ergonomics. That's a personal thing though. That engine is awesome.
One other small detail that I never see mentioned in these types of discussions, is the 60ci variants of the Scout also come with a smaller 54mm throttle body versus the 69ci variants that come with a 60mm throttle body. I would bet this is why you see the HP (~110 vs ~90) and TQ (~85 vs ~75) difference on the dynos on RE's website.
Can you bore out the 54mm TB combined with intake exhaust and tune to get more more power?
yet again the honda shadow is not on a list lol
But they Bobber goes to 1133
It does indeed. But a 1300 big bore kit is 1300 whether you start with the 1000 or the 1133...
@@RidgeRoamer yep which is why the 60 is better if you plan a bbkit
Smarter $ is buy used so no difference in price really
The 60 should never been made. The deal killer here is the 5 speed.
Why? 5th has almost the same ratio as 6th on the bigger Scout, so you lose barely any top end gearing. It's just wider ratio.
@@RidgeRoamer well the 60’s 5th gear is 4.09 and the 69 scouts 6th gear is 3.8. Final drives are equal on both trannys so ya. You wrong. My scout rogue does 3150 rpm at 100km/h. My scout bobber 60 does 3500rmp to
Do same speed.
If you need a 100 hp on a 600 lbs bike you are crazy! I owned one of these for a few seasons. The front end rattled the cheap kenda tires wore out before a thousand miles. The suspension was junk. The bike runs so hot you can light a cigar off the pipes. The whole bike is way overpriced. I now own a Honda Rebel and a Kawasaki Z 400 for the same price of this overrated POS.