You could say the same thing about any pre/post non professional given treatment if the person is over training. Gua sha/muscle scraping is highly effective in treatment and prevention of injury- but if a untrained individual is using it as a bandaide in order to over stress their body with far too much training then yes negative consequences are highly likely. As they would be using any other recovery method as a bandaide. Its about education - been a massage therapist for over 25 years and ive had this conversation multiple times with my athlete/gym junkie clients. We talk about rest days, about over training and over treating. One very basic rule with gua sha is that you do not do it until the previous petechiae ( red marks) have disappeared.
I had muscle scraping done twice by a physical therapist. I was in pain constantly. My muscle was tightened probably for over a year and I finally got a physical therapy appointment. I thought it was a scam at first. After the exercises and the two sessions my muscle loosened up and the pain subsided exponentially. I haven't had it since 2017.
I like this video. You do a great job thoroughly explaining things. I get scraping done on my neck by my chiropractor once a month, and it has significantly reduced the number of headaches I have suffered. I get it done once a month, mainly because I don't want to injure anything or make anything in my body worse.
What im getting from this is use it to help with recovery but dont do it with the intentions of forcing your body to recovery faster than your body needs to properly repair itself
I had really really bad pain in my elbow and forearm for a year. I decided on day to just go ahead and scrape my arm after my workouts. I haven’t had any significant pain since
It takes a very skilled pair of hands to scrape muscle adhesions effectively. I had my wife do this on me for a month but it caused more tightness and inflammation in the affected area.
I disagree ... using this tool at home was the only way I could get blood flow to my knee joints. Granted, years of dance and physical activity combined with minimal stretching and foam rolling helped create my horrible knee circumstance, but these tools helped so much when it came to getting blood flow to the area. I discussed this with my PT as something could do at home and it has been a huge help in my recovery. I wish he would have mentioned something of that nature.
I wouldnt complètely agréé as many patients Who have chronic types of pain gets so much relief and the body is miracle that it gets healed within days.
So could scraping be beneficial to tendons around elbow after an injury occurred months before. To help break up scar tissue in the area and increase circulation. Would you just scrape lightly around the area since it’s tiny fibers near the humorous?
did you confirm there was a tear or degeneration or theres only adhesions? if its only adhesions, have at it (both muscles and tendons). If it was a muscle tear, then once you waited enough, you can do lots of adhesion release treatments as well. If it was a tendon tear, I'm not sure. Call them maybe.
Hey I’ve just qualified as a sports massage therapist. Could I use this gently on client’s necks? Does there have to be scar tissue present to justify using it or can it be used to help down fascia generally? Also, could a client have scar tissue in say their neck even if no obvious injury previously? Thanks!
Yup, there could be adhesion even if there is no I jury previously, Adhesion is also Adhesion is caused when there is an injury , overload, trauma to a joint or muscles and causes chronic pain! when there is overload or trauma to a joint or muscles, we are actually training doctors and therapists, you can get a 7 day free trial at adhesionreleasemethods.com if interested!
What about Graston technique for recurrent calf micro-tearing due to scar adhesions in the tissue due to years of running and military, etc etc... I can only get in about 3-4 runs before one calf or the other experiences that electric shock sensation and subsequent pain that does not allow me to continue the run.....2 weeks and it starts to feel better, only to come back again when I restart running....even after months long hiatus. Any advice would be appreciated.
If you have electric shock, you have a nerve entrapment and need to see an adhesion release provider to fix it. No stretching or PT or massage will work.
Hi there. Thanks for this video. I am a massage therapist. I love working with my hands. I also love getting in a jacuzzi. However, we we eat , how we think, and the amount of stress affects our bodies. We must consider everything.
You seem to only be looking at the effect on connective tissue. But from a acupuncturist perspective (gua sha) we are also affecting fluid movement within the tissues. These motions are focused on muscle bellies not joints. So I don’t know exactly how joints are being negatively affected by the technique. If someone is training 7 days a week it’s a big leap to blame the arthritis on gua sha. Do you have any studies to back that claim up?
If it works for the individual patient to get permanent relief, then you MUST be doing a good job! Generally we've seen some people get gua sha and keep going back for only temporary relief. That's our only point. If WE only get people temporary relief, then we aren't serving our patients.
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl I'm so sorry for your suffering. We get it we see it all the time. Most people pay us because they want permanent relief. When we figure out a way to get rich from it, maybe we will do it and we can help more people. : )
Gua Sha and Graston are different in their goals and approaches. I'm a Graston provider. They're only comparable in the sense that you're using instruments that are applied to the soft tissue, past that they are different.
What are your thoughts on Graston for ligament injuries in the neck? Usually Prolotherapy is used to induce a healing response in the ligament so that it can heal properly if was overstretched. Wouldnt scraping that area provide a similar affect? I realize that this is off topic with what you are referring to in regards to working out
I hv this chronic neck stiffness and occasional pain especially in front right corner of my neck scm and scalene due to old sports injury 3.5 years back... sometimes it subsides but starts to get aggravating when i do increase some reps or intensity in my Workouts. Already tried lot of things in a hope to fix myself permanently like needling, chiro, manual therapy etc but only gives temporary relief. I was thinking to try this scraping after hearing about it on my neck but now u just scared me man😅🌚
almost all of our content on IG and youtube is about it - here's an ebook we put together - drive.google.com/file/d/1tnr2cQxp2iQzaE4CkHN-m2Ttztzdv0mW/view?usp=sharing@@umeshkumar007
Checked the pdf can't able to find any solution for my chronic neck stiffness pain adhesion release. Can you please post here link of your that video where you might have instructed how to do this self adhesion release on neck? It will be much appreciated, can't visit your clinic coz I am from another country.
@@stinkypete5558 What do u mean? I did. Besides what II answered, all adhesion treatment frequency is 2x/week for 12-15 visitts til maximum medical improvement of hopefully 100% if no joint damage.
@@stinkypete5558 100% - if it's more tender or hasn't recovered, you will need an extra 1-2 days of rest. Mkae sure sleep, diet and stress management is optimiized to recover fully
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Vague information!!! And no specific information on how to assess and educate a person if there muscles are receiving the IASTM well. This just generates fear.
Sorry, but this technique is far too superficial to really talk about muscle redness.. you wouldn't use it on someone with central sensitisation anyway but claiming this massive effect on muscles Please give me a break
You could say the same thing about any pre/post non professional given treatment if the person is over training. Gua sha/muscle scraping is highly effective in treatment and prevention of injury- but if a untrained individual is using it as a bandaide in order to over stress their body with far too much training then yes negative consequences are highly likely. As they would be using any other recovery method as a bandaide. Its about education - been a massage therapist for over 25 years and ive had this conversation multiple times with my athlete/gym junkie clients. We talk about rest days, about over training and over treating. One very basic rule with gua sha is that you do not do it until the previous petechiae ( red marks) have disappeared.
I had muscle scraping done twice by a physical therapist. I was in pain constantly. My muscle was tightened probably for over a year and I finally got a physical therapy appointment. I thought it was a scam at first. After the exercises and the two sessions my muscle loosened up and the pain subsided exponentially. I haven't had it since 2017.
So happy it worked for you!
I like this video. You do a great job thoroughly explaining things. I get scraping done on my neck by my chiropractor once a month, and it has significantly reduced the number of headaches I have suffered. I get it done once a month, mainly because I don't want to injure anything or make anything in my body worse.
so happy it helps. Glad it's working for you
What im getting from this is use it to help with recovery but dont do it with the intentions of forcing your body to recovery faster than your body needs to properly repair itself
And that this should be done by a professional. The scraping we do it only one part of an adhesion treatment.
I had really really bad pain in my elbow and forearm for a year. I decided on day to just go ahead and scrape my arm after my workouts. I haven’t had any significant pain since
How awesome is this! I'm not one to argue with what works for an individual.
Excellent job of drawing a straight and flat horizontal line at 0:53. Harder than it looks.
LOL practice!
Knew this guy that scraped too hard and ended up in the hospital. Broke the muscle down so much it was messing with his body.
Yeah, that happens. It's important to get dosage right if people do get scraped.
there's reasons people go to school to learn about this stuff.
Детерминизм это Свобода 🤙 🤙
Oh shoot
That’s called rhabdo
appreciate the information. i recommend giving more of a to-do dialogue rather than don't do. not many people search for how to not do things.
Great video and very clear information and not some long sales line or promoting 10/10
Appreciate your kind words.
It takes a very skilled pair of hands to scrape muscle adhesions effectively. I had my wife do this on me for a month but it caused more tightness and inflammation in the affected area.
Truth. Hence the video
I disagree ... using this tool at home was the only way I could get blood flow to my knee joints. Granted, years of dance and physical activity combined with minimal stretching and foam rolling helped create my horrible knee circumstance, but these tools helped so much when it came to getting blood flow to the area. I discussed this with my PT as something could do at home and it has been a huge help in my recovery. I wish he would have mentioned something of that nature.
I'm never someone to argue with something that works for permanent relief. So good job! And I agree that it worked for u.
Are cross friction massages for tendons safe
Yes they're safe as long as you don't have a tear. I'd be surprised if you got permanent relief though.
Thank you for this explanation, I am going to use this technique for my thesis.
Amazing!!
I wouldnt complètely agréé as many patients Who have chronic types of pain gets so much relief and the body is miracle that it gets healed within days.
Yup I agree with you - if it gets better then those people don't come into our office. : )
So could scraping be beneficial to tendons around elbow after an injury occurred months before. To help break up scar tissue in the area and increase circulation. Would you just scrape lightly around the area since it’s tiny fibers near the humorous?
did you confirm there was a tear or degeneration or theres only adhesions? if its only adhesions, have at it (both muscles and tendons). If it was a muscle tear, then once you waited enough, you can do lots of adhesion release treatments as well. If it was a tendon tear, I'm not sure. Call them maybe.
I learned from this. Thank you
any time!
Детерминизм это Свобода 🤙
Hey I’ve just qualified as a sports massage therapist. Could I use this gently on client’s necks? Does there have to be scar tissue present to justify using it or can it be used to help down fascia generally? Also, could a client have scar tissue in say their neck even if no obvious injury previously? Thanks!
Yup, there could be adhesion even if there is no I jury previously, Adhesion is also Adhesion is caused when there is an injury , overload, trauma to a joint or muscles and causes chronic pain! when there is overload or trauma to a joint or muscles, we are actually training doctors and therapists, you can get a 7 day free trial at adhesionreleasemethods.com if interested!
I have hEDS and tight fascia, but this technique terrifies me; do u know if it is contraindicated for hEDS people?
It's not, we have a bunch of hEDS patients.Like Elizabeth
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Great video very educational 👍
TY for kind words.
What about Graston technique for recurrent calf micro-tearing due to scar adhesions in the tissue due to years of running and military, etc etc... I can only get in about 3-4 runs before one calf or the other experiences that electric shock sensation and subsequent pain that does not allow me to continue the run.....2 weeks and it starts to feel better, only to come back again when I restart running....even after months long hiatus. Any advice would be appreciated.
If you have electric shock, you have a nerve entrapment and need to see an adhesion release provider to fix it. No stretching or PT or massage will work.
What if we have an anxiety disorder and we have a lot of tension in the neck and shoulders?
Then your diagnosis is likely 1) Neck/shoulder (generally) 2) anxiety -- a permanent solutiion would address both
Hi there. Thanks for this video. I am a massage therapist. I love working with my hands. I also love getting in a jacuzzi. However, we we eat , how we think, and the amount of stress affects our bodies. We must consider everything.
Yup, you're talking HOLISTIC health. Sign me up for it!
You seem to only be looking at the effect on connective tissue. But from a acupuncturist perspective (gua sha) we are also affecting fluid movement within the tissues. These motions are focused on muscle bellies not joints. So I don’t know exactly how joints are being negatively affected by the technique. If someone is training 7 days a week it’s a big leap to blame the arthritis on gua sha. Do you have any studies to back that claim up?
If it works for the individual patient to get permanent relief, then you MUST be doing a good job! Generally we've seen some people get gua sha and keep going back for only temporary relief. That's our only point. If WE only get people temporary relief, then we aren't serving our patients.
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl I'm so sorry for your suffering. We get it we see it all the time. Most people pay us because they want permanent relief. When we figure out a way to get rich from it, maybe we will do it and we can help more people. : )
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl Haha of course he did! He's the only one who does!
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl So sad what's happening.
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl sounds amazing.
After 2 of your videos, l havent heard what scraping actually is??? Is it deep massage/rubbing??
Look up graston technique or gua sha
Gua Sha and Graston are different in their goals and approaches. I'm a Graston provider. They're only comparable in the sense that you're using instruments that are applied to the soft tissue, past that they are different.
Very poorly described I agree
What about someone who doesn't workout? Is it of use to someone trying to become active maybe avoiding atrophy?
No you have to work out to avoid atrophy
why would you do muscle scraping then? you can use muscle stimulating machines (TENS units I think) or do some strengthening.
What are your thoughts on Graston for ligament injuries in the neck? Usually Prolotherapy is used to induce a healing response in the ligament so that it can heal properly if was overstretched. Wouldnt scraping that area provide a similar affect? I realize that this is off topic with what you are referring to in regards to working out
Works for ligament nuchae but not any other ligament. But this is only 1 of 20 other neck tissues that need to be treated.
This sounds more like an infomercial for the business.
Okay
I hv this chronic neck stiffness and occasional pain especially in front right corner of my neck scm and scalene due to old sports injury 3.5 years back... sometimes it subsides but starts to get aggravating when i do increase some reps or intensity in my Workouts. Already tried lot of things in a hope to fix myself permanently like needling, chiro, manual therapy etc but only gives temporary relief. I was thinking to try this scraping after hearing about it on my neck but now u just scared me man😅🌚
Yeah I wouldn't scrape the neck there. You need an Adhesion Release Methods provider.
@@drchrisstepienclips can u please tell a bit more about this adhesion release?
almost all of our content on IG and youtube is about it - here's an ebook we put together - drive.google.com/file/d/1tnr2cQxp2iQzaE4CkHN-m2Ttztzdv0mW/view?usp=sharing@@umeshkumar007
Checked the pdf can't able to find any solution for my chronic neck stiffness pain adhesion release. Can you please post here link of your that video where you might have instructed how to do this self adhesion release on neck? It will be much appreciated, can't visit your clinic coz I am from another country.
Hey man, we never posted it because we haven't found it's possible. Even our docs can't self-treat. I'm sorry.@@umeshkumar007
I had bilateral tennis elbows. Only Graston technique was able to help me heal.
Glad to hear Graston helped!
I’m too young for bodily pain yall
sorry to hear.
You just go to muscle scraping videos and say this repeatedly? People are so weird.😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@LandonStrauss-hc1sc I don't remember this comment is a year old
Dies that include gua sha( spelling might be wrong)
Generally yes.
Good to know
How often would you recommend scraping?
If it's working, as often as needed to continue to get A) permanent ROM increases B) increased sustained relief and C) less grit with tool.
The like is nice n all but could you answer the question please lol
@@stinkypete5558 What do u mean? I did. Besides what II answered, all adhesion treatment frequency is 2x/week for 12-15 visitts til maximum medical improvement of hopefully 100% if no joint damage.
@@drchrisstepienclips I’ve just read that 2-3 times a week is ideal with at least 48 hours in between, would you support this?
@@stinkypete5558 100% - if it's more tender or hasn't recovered, you will need an extra 1-2 days of rest. Mkae sure sleep, diet and stress management is optimiized to recover fully
You forgot to mention that it looks like it's painful as hell
Haha it can be.
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@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl I believe that the only way we can begin to help ourselves is through faith in Jesus Christ with the desire to please God. When I say I was once lost I was far lost.
It was only through faith in Jesus Christ any progress in my life was made. So I don't believe that fully in a sense God only helps those who helps themselves. But on the other hand maybe depending on how you define that. but through faith in Christ we can be saved we can be children of the Lord God bless you.
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Why do doctors contradict each other?
What we are contradicting?
Biggest load of Crap going
Curious why?
Vague information!!! And no specific information on how to assess and educate a person if there muscles are receiving the IASTM well. This just generates fear.
Sorry about that.
Really poor description about pain at point zero a
Sorry about that.
Sorry, but this technique is far too superficial to really talk about muscle redness.. you wouldn't use it on someone with central sensitisation anyway but claiming this massive effect on muscles
Please give me a break
This technique has been life saver for a lot of people 😊
It really looks infected!!!!
haha