The Best Gaming Laptop is a...TABLET?
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- The search for the best gaming laptop in 2022 might have just taken an interesting turn with the ROG Flow Z13. This isn't a gaming laptop but rather a gaming tablet that you can use with an external RTX 3080 GPU through the XG Mobile Dock. But does it provide enough performance, battery life and other things to make the Flow Z13 worth it over laptop alternatives?
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - ROG Flow Z13 Tablet Intro
1:39 - Flow Z13 vs Flow X12 Explained
2:01 - Flow Z13 Specs & Pricing
3:00 - XG Mobile Dock Price & Availability
3:30 - Exterior Design - Gamers Only!
5:01 - Flow Z13 vs Surface Pro 8
5:43 - A STUNNING Display
8:17 - I Might Have Broken It....
9:17 - A Decent Keyboard, Trackpad & Webcam
10:43 - Ports, Connectors & More
11:37 - Z13 Upgrade Options
12:01 - Battery Life
12:41 - CPU Performance & Temperatures
14:36 - GPU Performance & Temperatures
15:41 - Exterior Temperatures & Noise
16:44 - We Need to Talk POWER
17:41 - Flow Z13 Real World Benchmarks
19:25 - Flow Z13 Gaming Benchmarks
20:16 - A True 2022 Gaming Laptop?
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The timer for ad and test, great idea! Thx!
Really still want one of these. One device for all purposes would be amazing! Great for work, Dock for more ports then bring home and dock to the XG mobile and kick it into game mode
1:23 "Kinda looks like one [...] aside from the looks"
Amazing
Thank you for the detailed video. I ordered one. I love the design btw.
This is the best review on Z13 I've come across. You ran all the great comparisons.
That 'spend responsibly' at the end though.
Love this concept. Want them to focus on the drawing and stylus support in future iterations but this is a great start down what will be an exciting path for hardware innovation. Tablet PC form factor is awesome.
Been waiting for this review btw Great review!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thinking about the conclusions you've reached and I have to disagree a bit. You missed two really important things: the XG (as you say) is essentially unobtainable. You can get the X13 bundled with an XG but that pushes the price to US$3000 - if you can get one, but the Z13 has a Thunderbolt 4 port, while the X13 doesn't, which means the Z13 can use non-ASUS eGPU boxes while the X13 can't. That means with the Z13, you can *actually* buy as much eGPU, not theoretically, as you need AND you can use it for non-GPU uses as well (and still get XG capability if you're so inclined).
In terms of colour, the screens are Pantone compliant and for many people in the design world, that's more than good enough. It makes the Z13 (and the X13) great for industrial design, especially when combined with a stylus. Colour gamut support is important in *some* visual arts, but not as much as reviewers make it out to be. The kickstand folded back to 170 or 160 degrees puts the tablet in a "studio" orientation, making it wonderful to draw on because there's almost no bounce. I have a Lenovo Flex 15 which is similar to the X13 and I basically gave up drawing on it because of the weight, shape and difficulty keeping the screen still - and it's a well built 2-in-1.
As for style, other than the blinky back port - it's mostly just a black slab. You can turn off all the RGB junk and if the port bugs you, a small piece of black vinyl can fix that. Personally, I think it's fine. In fact I stuck a Weyland-Yutani Corp logo decal I made up on the back.
Quick note: the Z13 supports full MPP 2.0 for pens which means it works well with Surface Pens and even supports "flip" detection (which triggers eraser mode) and eraser tip with pressure. So using it with a Surface Pen is a lot like a Surface Pro. Only oddity - there are three Surface Pens. Gen 1 was 1024 levels, Gen 2 was 4096 levels and the Gen 3 (slim) add haptic feedback. I have the first two and weirdly it doesn't seem that the Z13 maps the 1024 levels to 4096 so the Gen 1 pen writes far more lightly for the same pressure. I actually see this as a plus as I have both pens - so I use the Gen 2 for inking and sketching and the Gen 1 for fine details work.
Thanks for your review. I ordered mine in February and unfortunately they're having problems here in Germany delivering them. Another point I would say he missed is bang for money. The Surface pro I have right now costs more than the highest end flow z13 costs here and is less powerful , ah and without the Keyboard. A lot of things speak for the flow z13 and I wish he would have at least prasied Asus for having the balls to do what MS refused to do. I wish Asus would continue ton make these sort of devices. I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for this kind of device.
As an Asus ROG Flow x13 owner, I agree with both your review and the OG commenter’s review. And I disagree with Eber that the z13 Design is “too much”, as like you said. You can literally turn it all off, and the way he put it sounds like he’s biased, something that reviewers shouldn’t be.
nah forget about it. i currently owned x13 32gb variant and i'm not even video editor, and i found 16gb is not enough for heavy web browsing + heavy gaming which many people likely doing now. so this z13 is useless because of 16gb of bottle neck. it made the system more and more slower when you have more and more thing running at background. i'm actually planning to buy z13 but i'm immediately giving up when they limit the ram at 16gb.
@@caxshen Yes 16gb is not enough for some use cases but does that negate all the good things they did with this Tablet? Give me something with this formfactor that comes close to it. At least for now, this is the best we have for now. Ofcourse we'll all be glad if we got more options but unfortunately we don't. I'll give credit where it's due. Asus has my respect for having the balls to try this out. Not sure how good the ram will be since it's lpddr 5 and not lpddr 4 like on the x13.
Is the z13 better than the x13 for gaming?
Thank you, I don't know why I haven't come across your channel before. Your content and evaluation are pure superb, and honest. Much appreciated
Really good review. The external GPU really makes a big difference to the overall performance. Would be really interested to see the review for the refreshed Flow X13 2022 (6900hs, 3050ti, 32gb) and how it stacks up against Z13.
Amen.
@@dubaibank Seems to be a trade-off on power consumption though, AMD laptops seem to get longer battery life thanks to the node refinement and other updates.
I didn't even realize the 2022 X13 was out, but it's in stock at BestBuy. Definitely a tempting option, so I too would love to see a review like that.
It only has better a better battery life, no detachable keyboard, and a less gamer look style. For gaming z13 is the better option.
Honestly i love the look and i have no problem carrying this to my work also . It looks great . X13 looks like a normal laptop and nothing fancy and sometimes thats not a good thing especially when you are spending this much.
Great concept, although it is too expensive and not available in most parts of the world still.
Fantastic video, sir! I can't wait to see the next evolution of this product. I love the design and the colors, but between the top-spec'd discrete GPU of the 3050ti and the horrendous battery life, I think I will continue to pass for now.
Where exactly did you incorrectly hold the keyboard that caused the crack near the pogo pins? Thanks and love your video review!!!
I LOVE the design ! :)
This is the immediate future of laptop gaming! Few more years and a few iterations il buy one for sure
15:40 The low temperatures are probably to protect the battery. I had a fanless lenovo tablet and the battery did not like being a heat soak for that 7w core m5
By far the best, most detailed review for the ROG Z13 I've seen. I'm completely convinced now and I'll be buying one. Thank you!
Did you buy one?
That was a Linus level sponsor transition.
I'm absolutely interested in the z13 but I would love to know how it handles music production.
I actually like that 2.0 port as lots of "high-end" (just expensive) peripheral devices such as my lightspeed mouse and keyboard use 2.0 dongles.
Sounds like my dream laptop! I play jrpg games mainly like ff9, chronocross, ni no kuni thats not intensive. Occasionally i play more intensive games like forza. Being in tablet mode i can play on my bed comfortably. Also love that theres TB4 which is a musthave for me. BUT… im gonna wait for another year or 2 to get 1. It seems like performance wise it needs more work and the XG availability is quite bad, i will just wait and see what happens. Maybe the next 1 or 2 gens would be absolutely perfect!
I was thinking of buying a tab s8 ultra but I might as well get this. I am buying a tablet and I might as well get a full fledged windows one. I dont wanna keep carrying my gaming laptop everyday for even basic tasks and programinng, android productivity apps dont cut it either.
Hopefully, an i9 without a dgpu will be available since I can just use my msi if I need graphical power. Undervolting the cpu (cause intel) and having a higher power allocation due to no dgpu will definitely show its true compute performance.
I appreciate your consistently fair reviews. They are a great combination of experiential use and performance tests. I watched a video on this from another outlet that said it was simply better than the latest Surface Pro. They aren't really intended for the same audience.
Love that LTT level sponsor segue! lol
2:35 Those last two SKUs have the 12700H. You have the core counts listed properly, but the thread count is 20.
NGL The more I look at the Z13 the more I'm left wanting more to the point its kinda why I went with a late 2021 model X13 plus the 3080 dock (bought seperately) as well one 5900HS plus 3050 Ti is one hell of a nice combo to have in general, plenty of on the go power and not requiring a wall outlet to run it if you need it, granted 16GB Ram kinda sucks but overall with a 120Hz 1200p screen and a price of I think £1150 its a relative bargain compared to the newer 2022 refresh and the Z13 in terms of pricing and still has the majority of the performance, despite costing for me at least a third less than a 2022 Z13 or X13.
Throw in a 3080 in the XG mobile and well at £2400 altogether I have a monster of a machine when I have a power outlet and an external monitor not to mention an actual laptop that can stand on its two legs, has better battery life than the Z13 and I save a buck, I just dont see a reason currently for a person in the market today to buy the newer models for how much more they cost for how little a performance bump you get, honestly the only reason to go 2022 is if a MUX switch is non negotiable as mosty of the other 'new' features are now on the 2021 Version of the X13.
also were your gaming results on the screen on the laptop or an external monitor as the lack of the MUX switch in the Flow X13 2021 Model can skew youre results unfairly if noy taken into account
i love the design, never let age extinguish your inner child
Idn man I really like the look of it...
Great video though.
It is the best option for me for I mostly use my PC in my home and don't want to have a desktop. It is a pleasure to play games on it, keyboard is cool, no loud fan noise, enough to play all AAA games in 60 fps once you optimize the setting.
This is the future of laptops! I really never understood why gaming laptops came with a built in keyboard (Which are all terrible and get extremely hot and sweaty) as I've always plugged in an external keyboard and mouse, even for work. I have never ever used a laptop on my actual lap (Who does this?), This makes so much more sense from a practicality standpoint.
This is the first step towards the future where the tablet, laptop and desktop are all one machine.
I have the Alienware X17 r1 and it has the best I/O for connectivity. The trackpad and keyboard area also never get hot, only where the top vents are
Most good gaming laptops won't get their keyboard hot only ones with bad thermals
Would be so cool if you could tell us if this works with other eGPUs like the Razer Core
Would you recommend this (without the external GPU) for 3D modeling? I travel a lot and would profit from the portability, but I do need a performative laptop for 3D and gamig
Where can I find the cool wallpapers you use on the ROG unit? Thanks!
I switched to 100% laptop. Have a dock at home and at work with 43 in 4k display at each location. It works great. If I could connect an external gpu at home for gaming it would be AWESOME.
Best review!
I love the design, it reminds me of 80s style Walkmans
Best review of this tablet
I would totally carry that around with an extra portable monitor the XG mobile dock and a 60% keyboard stashed away in my laptop bag. But i can't even imagine having anywhere near that much money to spend 😰
Hey team! Would love to see a review of the Presonus Revelator io44 pro audio interface as it has a headset input. Could be great to check some tests with your favourite headsets.
This tablet would be amazing with the AMD 6800u, sure the CPU isnt quite as powerful, but those graphics, on paper the graphics would be 2x as fast as the steam deck
I just wish some AMD laptop OEMs paid the licensing fees for Thunderbolt 4; I’d be glad to pay for an Asus ROG Flow x13 with Thunderbolt 4 but plus the XG Mobile port but with an AMD Ryzen 9 6980 HS instead of Intel. Intel has piss poor battery life this year, and AMD OEMs CAN use Thunderbolt 4 if they pay a licensing fee or use USB4 which is royalty-free. I’d pay for that in a heartbeat!
@@cameronbosch1213 The rogflow x13 version with amd 6000 series processors and possibly usb4 if Asus is to be believed that they are trying to obtain certification is arriving soon. It also has their proprietary xg mobile port. They have a skew with only the apu with no discrete graphics which I hope to buy.
@@cameronbosch1213
Not exactly.
USB4 is compatible with Thunderbolt 4, but it wont necessarily have all the features of Thunderbolt 4.
And then, 7 hours of battery life from a 57 Whr battery even after having 12700H+3050Ti is not bad imao.
@@Superradman That’s what I’m excited for as an 2021 ROg Flow x13 owner, even if it is for their newer ones.
@@suntzu1409 Still, it’s a step in the right direction, because battery life is something I prioritize on thinner laptops, I’ve heard of much worse battery life than what Eber got on the Flow Z13 compared to pretty much any recent AMD Ryzen laptop CPU, and it’s good for us consumers to have competition to avoid another Intel laziness period.
I am more interested in the i7 version considering the cost to value ratio…
Now all they need to do is create a handheld that uses the external gpu, a steamdeck type device that can hook up to the egpu.
my friends love the design and form factor of this device and are planning on getting it.
so there is a market for it. lol
I would love to have a use case for this
seems like anyone who owns both a tablet and a high end laptop and wants to upgrade both and consolidate to one device.
With the egpu it makes sense, without it it ain’t good enough. Wish they went with amd for this tho. Totally agree with what u said about design, it’s cool but not for an everyday carry. Specially for something i would take to a meeting room and such
The last year model had a 3050ti too, Initial one had a ryzen 5000 with 1650, then ryzen 5000 with 3050ti, if anything the upcoming one is the 3rd gen
will u be testing flow X16 ?
I have both 12500 and 12900 models and they are mindblowing
Good video.
@Hardware_Canucks is this you?
Got an ROG Flow Z13 ad 😂
I have the z13 and it's awesome! For the cpu frenquency, it's easily fixable with throttlestop. I get 2ghz-3ghz stable now.
I was planning to do the same, I wish they showcased it with an undervolt applied, cause intel lol.
@@nameless_stranger why cause intel? I get awesome temps and speed.
@Philippe-Olivier Dupuis cause intel temps thats why undervolt should be a must unless the manufacturer is conservative like Razer
@@nameless_stranger I had the z13 for maybe 3-4 weeks now and the temps are amazing, I have awesome clock speed and can run battlefield 2042 without any problem (between 60-80fps with the integrated 3050 ti). Temps are around 70c maximum. Maybe on other brand laptop the cpu will be hot as hell but the cooling on the z13 is amazing so far.
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not recognizing the keyboard after sleep might be a win 11 problem. I had the same problem on my lenovo duet 3i after win 11 upgrade which went away after going back to win 10
well when u consider u can get the 3080 mobile for £1100 here in the uk (ebay new) and the z13 id £1699 for highest spec and the razer blade 15 3080ti is £3899 id go for the flow.. more utility.
I love the product but...4k€ can buy A LOT of things nowadays...great review btw :). (I edit because the price is for europe for those who dont leve over here hahaha)
I bought this a week ago without the XG mobile and it is very impressive machine. I used an Alienware m17 r3 i7 6820hk before and it is a massive upgrade. The RTX 3050ti can hold itself quite well in games when plug into power at turbo mode. Battery life is definitely not impressive but do note for regular office workload and web browsing, the machine is more than adequate for battery life. In battery gaming, it is definitely a bit lacking in power but since I carry a 60w output powerbank with me, it's an non issue. What makes this machine interesting is probably the potential of XG mobile solely for GPU work and the machine cooling can handle a maxed out i9 12900h at 5ghz turbo. A lot of todays mobile device in raw power won't match this and Asus coming out with something like this is impressive. I also used a surface pro 3 before and the keyboard is pretty much just as good with RGB lightning. Given I also carry an iPad Pro 12.9' around, i can have similar screen size dual screen with both device and the z13 can charge up the ipad pro sufficiently. Overall it is one impressive form factor + power combo which no one in the market has and definitely deserves the premium pricing.
You still liking this tablet? I’m thinking of getting one but I read it has input lag and smearing in fps games.
@@kmdkmd-jz8pv x2
@@ernisama3654 if your wondering how it is input lag is a non issue. The smearing is there but I can still get 1st in warzone so it can’t be that bad.
wow those lpddr5 ram will surely bump the performance up for those devices
Can we get a 2022 monitor update? I'm desperately in the market for dual monitors, and I can't tell what to grab.
There’s a small mistake in the video the flow z13 weighs 1,1kg not 1,8 and in the comparison to the surface 8pro you wrote that 0,6lbs is 1kg and that’s hella wrong
Just ordered the non gpu Z13 which is perfect all the cooling just for the Cpu, all in need when away from my desk, when home plug into the Gpu why pay for two gpus!! For the Same price as a loaded behemoth laptop you get this way more cooler and better looking rig! I will have mine on a stand in tablet mode in dual screen with a 25 inch monitor, going to look awesome without the keyboard hanging down!
now that i khow it has stylus support i'm going to get one. i think i set for the i7 variend
I’m excited for this whole class of devices to be perfectly honest
0:09 - screw the tablet, I want to know the Watch you are wearing My man.
What about using it for CAD and simulations involving ray tracing? I just want to do CAD while flying.
I bought the ROG phone and it is awesome
i got the x13 few months ago, battery suddenly not charging, last day can return, then picked up the z13; for gaming, z13 will be better coz u don't have the keyboard, doesn't matter how good laptop keyboard is, still not ideal; just use the screen hock up a full size keyboard to play, or plug it to a monitor, take up less space; only complain is the Windows 11... really hated it... especially the combine tab... waiting for 3080ti on the xg mobile
Some infos telling that Z13 has issues with Thunderbolt eGPU. When it works, it works. When it's not, the randomness makes the owner pulling out heir hair.
Eh would rather get the g14 but it all depends on what you're gonna do with it
Gud. Looks solid laptop alternative for those who want to use more glorified keyboards and trackpads/mouses
Would it run raft "game" or would u advice a laptob then ?
Recommended get 4K or FHD?
Wanted a Surface 9. Saw this video. Bought a Z13. Happy with my Choice. Mine alone.
How is the batter life
@@novaone8589 : I don't take it anywhere. It's just for "home media consumption". I have a Zephyrus for my "mobile applications". Wouldn't really expect alot of battery life on my Z13 considering the variety of settings you can use on this thing all thanks to the Asus Armour Crate. No negatives on my end. Just keeping it simple.
They didn't use the P series processor because these are limited to 4 PCIe lanes for the GPU, whike the H series chip can use 8 PCIe Lanes
even without the XG graphic, I think it's a better choice compared to sp8.
But I'd pick X13 over Z too, the look is too much 😅
A bit of a conversation error on the weight you got there
I love this laptop but idk If I can bring myself to use this during like a school or coffee shop environment. I wish they would like roll out a much sleeker redesign.
Just slap a skin on it, easy
Yeah very weird since the x13 looked much more subdued.
Could you please review the hp omen 17 2021(Intel)
you said last year model of the X13 only had 1650 gpu.
Thats not correct, i did launch with 1650 but was upgraded with 3050ti. i got one with 5900HS/3050TI
They should include a little magnetic cover for the window, and a sensor to disable the LED's when it's installed.
I actually really like that, it would be more awesome if the power delivery was behind the window though. I'd rock it, but I don't really like ASUS products...
I love the design. Anything that’s edgy and different. Would like to know if it can be connected to an external monitor?
It can’t be connected to an external display because coconutfishsauce 🤡🤡🤡
Check out the ltt review they connected it to an external monitor in that one
Several, actually. Two USB-C ports supporting DisplayPort and one is a USB-4 and I thin it can support dual monitors on its own.
Can you charge the laptop with a 100w charger through the thunderbolt port?
yo what watch you got on?
Commercial break at 7:05, regular programming resumes at 7:26
Lol I want to buy one of these for the looks alone! That rear LED window is mind-bogglingly cool!
Damn good review dude, amazing gadget, maybe a little too loud for me, would love to see them do a more creator biased version of the z13 and x13 so pumped the CPUs a bit more and dropped the teenage bedroom looks. I still want to be a man child, but I also want to be able to deal with my customers without looking like one.
Rog need a sleeker side aimed at the people who are more likely to be able to afford their higher end products.
Isn't amd more battery friendly? Maybe they should've went and for cpu.
You can just add black stickers such as dbrand sells to get rid of the annoying stuff and make it look like a normal black tablet. Since I like to use a mechanical keyboard, a surface gaming tablet seems like it would be good. I assume it can support a 4k ultra wide external monitor @ a reasonable refresh rate? Would be cool to vesa mount this to the rear of an ultrawide monitor.
i am curious how did the keyboard pin part broke.
Asus did say the gen 2 USB was an engineering limit
The Z13 is amazing, I wouldn't buy one myself BUT if I was 10yrs younger...
I really wish they put Ryzen HS/U series here :(
Style is a win for me.
1a:16 Jarrod’s Tech confirmed with Asus that it was indeed an engineering limitation. Sadly, it was either USB 2.0 or no USB-A at all…
I believe @Jarrod'sTech confirmed that the USB 2.0 was indeed an engineering limitation. The [almost] good news is the XG Mobile has 4 USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports, but of course no one can find one to buy >.
So 2006 is considered retro? Man I'm getting old :D
I can see that the designer was a stargate fan :D
I wish they would add a white-cyan version, this would be a great option.
If they only allowed to replace the ram or have it come higher than 16gb.
Hope they allow us upgraded to the ram. 16gb is enough but i hope more in future proof since its price not cheap tho
As stated in the video, no, that's not an option. Unless you're an electronics engineer who can desolder the chips and replace them with higher capacity chips compatible with the same power delivery, it's not happening.
This form factor for games? You either want a nice desktop or a steam deck style handheld. This thing is weak at home, clunky portable, and for anything inbetween a regular laptop with these specs is a better choice.
The trash active pen kinda negates it as a Wacom mobile studio, Samsung Galaxy 360 or Surface pro competitor.
Iv done a lot of testing on the 120hz 3050 … its really baaad .. in terms of gaming guys 1st when ever you wants to move and pick it up once you bend it a little game discount i know you can freeze the rotation as well ..or play games on windowed mode .. 2nd when you pull screen out of the keyboard some games get disconnected..
and in some games idk if its Manafacutre issue only on my flow z13 .. but graphics is a bit blurry
And in some old classic game which num keyboard is must to play with the z13 doesn’t have it on the keyboard ..in conclusion its not ready yet for gaming for normal use and Netflix ya ..