@@h3nry_t122 Scan has it. 4k version with 3080 egpu £2999, FHD+ version without egpu is £1899. Egpu bundled is 1k compared to last year where it was 1.5k.
There is only one problem with that tablet, it is a limitation of max RAM capacity. This tablet also will be a great solution for people who want the extremely portable workstation and they need 32GB RAM.
How about the God awful pricing? Everybody in this comment section is behaving like 2000$ for a 2 in 1 with a 3050ti is a normal price, I feel like I'm in some sort of Truman show. The same unit with a top of the line ryzen chip and a non-detachable keyboard costed 1500$ last year! Why the 33% price hike just for the keyboard detachment?
@@LeFatalpotato I can find for you this hardware even for 1300$. But it will be the full laptop. Always the compact device with the same specs was more expensive than large one. If you look, you can see that the Mini ITX components of PC also have higher prices than normal ATX one. Rog Flow Z13 is just little heavy tablet, but with powerful CPU and initial GPU. It is not the same make the tablet like that and I don’t talk only about build part. Engineers need to develop difficult and complex system of cooling in that tiny case.
Just a heads up.... i just got my BestBuy unit in today and I can confirm that the Surface pen works perfectly on this tablet. All features works perfectly, as if it was designed for the Z13.
I really hope this form factor takes off. I love tablets and honestly having one that can run full windows and play games at a reasonable level is just a dream come true. I'm tempted to sell off my current laptop for this as the niche of hooking up and egpu to this bad boy and just taking the tablet with me when I'm leave the house is honestly something I've wanted to do for years. I definitely want to see the results of using a thunderbolt egpu vs the xg mobile.
this looks more like downgrade than upgrade for me from Flow x13, Lower battery life, more heavier with keyboard , lack of hdmi 2.0 and usb 3.2 gen port.
@@RichCompMan that dedicated port for the XG mobile egpu connects directly into the pci-e lanes. So it in theory should be faster than thunderbolt 4. We’ll know for sure once jarrod posts the video on that.
@@Terreos Yeah but that accessory is overpriced and underpowered. It's basically a laptop GPU in a proprietary case. I would like to see what a Desktop GPU can do.
@@taigaramsey8061 Exactly, With a EGPU you can Swap Cards and move it to any other PC or a laptop that has a thunderbolt port. I'm looking for PCIE 4 EGPU but I can't find one. I don't think they make them just yet, but I would love to try out my 3080Ti and 6800XT in one.
Great review as always! I'm considering this combo to be my next "laptop"... I'd love to see the comparison with the new X13 models and the XG Mobile with the RX 6850m XT when available and a deeper dive into linux compatibility.
Having used gaming laptops for a while now, I reckon having the GPU external makes a lot more sense. I cringe at the temps I get on my laptops during extended gaming sessions. Something must give in eventually with this much heat all the time. I recently considered getting a proper PC box but I need a laptop...this setup makes more sense to me. Def a good idea 👍
It would be cool to see in the future a version of the Z13 but in a 15 inch size, with a detachable (but still functional) wireless keyboard like the mothership had back in the day, I suppose it would be the next big step to making portable 15 inch 2 in 1's even more appealing.
@@Sebbir It certainly is, but even then, there are people who love the surface book, when the sb3 launched I thought of getting one for college/gaming, but the 1660 it had was truly not enough, and I think asus could pull off a surface book competitor that could do real good on gaming and creative applications if they keep going the xgmobile
@@darenren It does, but I'm just trying to think "outside the box", there are some laptops that have tried to do that, but for the creative kind of consumer, the acer concept laptops were a real good design, still with flaws of course, but with the people and resources these companies have, if the public shows enough interest, they might pull a big one of. It will be cool, having tablet-like laptop that could be "docked" to maximize performance.
I love the form factor of this. The idea of being able to dock it as a PC or use it as a drawing tablet while I'm sitting on the couch has major appeal. 16GB is functional but 32GB would remove any hesitations. Is it stable enough to run as a primary PC for light creative work?
I am testing the i7 version and multicore performance is also quite conservative but acceptable for such a small machine. Yet the concept of separating CPU and external GPU is simply great, both parts get individual power and cooling.
I really love my original Asus Transformer TF101. Really wish Asus continue to make a "Transformer"-like or "Surface book"-like dock for tablets like this.
they should have put ryzen 6000 series in this tablet efficiency is everything in chassis like this. And also rdna2 graphics without dgpu would be nice compared to xe graphics
Picked up an ASUS 2in1 VivoBook with Intel Iris XE MAX and bought a used/refurbished Razor EGPU, threw in a used 1070ftw in there and couldn't be happier with it, all for under $1500.
Thanks Jarrod on your vids. I've finally bought my own legion 5 laptop for content creation and general business use 😁😁 It just sucks that the PH model gets the cheapest options when it comes to ram and wifi card chips but nevertheless it can be upgraded down the line... Thanks and keep up the great work 😁👌👌
It's a really cool device. I love the capability of having a such portability with performance, and the ability to add performance when needed. I'd love have a laptop style keyboard attachment in addition to the tablet keyboard with kickstand. It's great if you have internet issues, data caps, or no internet and need to travel to get updates. I think the perfect product is just around the corner. If they could have gotten a 3060 or even a 3070 in the tablet itself and was able to play RDR2 at 60 fps ultra settings with no issues, it would be an absolute beast of a machine. A real desktop replacement with amazing portability and functionality. I can't wait for the next model of this, and I really hope this one sells well so we can get a great next model.
@@justarandomguy8099 No, there’s an updated version. Ryzen 9 6000 series. Doesn’t look massively different to last iteration with 3050ti. There’s also an xg mobile with Ryzen RX6850m.
Funny. I didn't notice you were saying sponsor message until it was almost over :D what a seamless transition. edit: Can't wait to see upcoming 6000 laptops reviews
Best buy has a 6900HS already listed of the z13 which is only 100$ more expensive than x13, it isn't avaible yet though. I think the 6900S is way better than the i9 cuz the battery life will be better than even last year model
Some early reviews seem to hint at the 6900 cpu in the g14 was running hot. And that was with a vapor chamber and liquid metal. So it would be wise to see some user reviews to see if they fix that before spending your hard earned money.
It's cool that you covered it, but I can't see any future that I would buy this. If extreme portability is most important then something like a steam deck would game on the go better, and a 14" laptop would be way more usable for productivity.
Might be powerful, but it’s also expensive as hell, the lack of upgradability has it on a ticking clock, and if the XG mobile is just as cumbersome to use as it was on the X13, I’m not all that interested in picking it up again.
Thanks for the video. I've been watching this laptop for a while as I value the unique portability but agreed the price at release seemed a little high. However, one year on and this laptop has some heavy discounts now (~USD1000) so I picked one up. I think at this price, with the ability to put in an older or newer XG Mobile GPU it might be a bargain. It still seems unique in its size/power/portability and hiping that older gen i9 will still keep it relevant for a few more years.
Good job Btw plz make a video about the required system for 3d modeling and if a gaming laptop for example can meet the needs And also about different display aspect ratios like 16×10 and 16×9 etc and the benefits of each Tnk u so much
this thing looks so freaking cool in my dorm room. i have 2 innoview 15inch monitorson vesa mount on either side. mine has the rtx 350 it gets my needs taken care of. studying ,photography, and i play classic wow. as happy as i am with the z13 i would get the 2021 macbook pro 14 now that its on sell
This is a great product, but the prices they are flouting around are jokes. The i9 is 400$ more expensive than last years x13, and i5 is probably going to be 400$ more expensive than surface pro, which is already very pricy. These are already extremely portable products, so it's the price of portability argument is invalid. Asus clearly missed the mark with pricing.
surface pro is just an ultrabook with u-series CPU, think about the analogy of MacBook air vs MacBook pro both portable but you can charge more for more performance
@@woshikakadong I don't know much about Apple shenanigans, but MacBook pro has a gpu afaik, and is a completely different class of product that Appleheads like comparing to gaming laptops. I don't think having just an H class cpu does not turn this into a full fledged gaming laptop. Last years x13 had an R9 cpu as well, and it was sold for 1500$. From what I understand from overseas prices, the egpu used to cost 1500$, and probably not too many people bought it last year, so this year the laptop costs another 500$, and the egpu is "500$ cheaper". Don't like this at all. I think I'll go with another brand, especially if there will be any ryzen tablets. I think their power band suits this class of machines better
@@LeFatalpotato I dont know about Microsoft shenanigans, but if there exist a surface pro with H series cpu and gtx3050ti, i can guarantee Microsoft will price it higher than current surface pro
@@woshikakadong yeah, the problem is, would it be 1900$? Currently, i5 surface pro is selling for 900$. The problem with this device is that it is a lot more expensive than anything similar in performance/form factor, including last years almost identical model, x13, which sold for 1500$ for the top model.
could you use a more up to date linux os? something like endeavorOS or Manjaro. Ubuntu uses older kernel which sometimes could mean no hardware enablement to support the newest hardware. something like endeavorOS on the other hand, has a more up to date kernel for iso on live cd (they release new iso every new month or so).
Jarrod, did you prefer this to the flow x13? I think at this size I'm more attracted to a ryzen 6000 cpu for efficiency. I didn't know if you had a view over which was the better implementation
Hmm I didn't really mind either as a laptop, probably X13 for laptop mode as you don't need the kick stand which is a pain in some scenarios like on your lap. As a tablet though X13 not as good as you are holding the keyboard and it feels a bit weird.
Can you compare it with the macbook air M1? In terms of battery life and performance on battery which one do you prefer? and can you compare the XG Mobile with NVIDIA 3080 with RX 6850M XT in the future?
@@kknmitkelompok3889 you have to check if all the programs you use can run natively on the MacBook, if they can then go for MacBook because probably more battery. But tablet is versatile tho, I’m typing to you now on my iPad as I lay on my bed, can’t do that it easily with my Laptop
@@JarrodsTech I done missed that part and I don’t know how I did🤣. That is pretty dang good performance though like you mentioned and might be good enough to run games off of in a pinch once the SSD starts to get low on storage.
I bought it five months ago ago and it started battery problems, send back for repair, thats not good for such good product. I hope they fix it and send me back as soon as possible
1:50 For device like tablet I would say everything below 400 nits defeats purpose of tablet. You cannot move around freely with screen dimmer than that because you wont see anything or it wont be comfortable in many cases.
This is definitely a niche product, but it seems like it would be good for a traveler who plays a lot of controller based games because then you don't even need the keyboard hanging off it. With the 3050 it can probably upscale late console emulation too. Could be the best portable PS2 released yet.
love this form factor, probably the best for a gaming laptop, better airflow, better exhaust with keyboard easily removeable so that you don't have to use that awful laptop keyboard for game
Cheeky Mrs Tech appearance? Very interesting device that's for sure and very tempting to get (even if it's not exactly "budget" to get with the external GPU LOL )
Can't wait for your legion 5 pro review of 2022, especially intel vs amd battery life once both are released. All the other channels are not even close to your quality and content.
@@green_block I mean yes 2900 must include the egpu. Have you checked the 6000 series gaming performance? It can run 60hz on full HD on many games already. Similar to 3050. With Ryzen 6000 series + egpu, hopefully drop price to 2700 would be sweeter
@@green_block well it wouldn't chat that much then, since they wouldn't integrate a dGPU into the design at all. Basically I'm saying that even something like the next generation of Surface products, if they're willing to go HS rather than U, have an amazing value proposition (provided they can handle the thermals)
Hey, I just purchased this device and got it last week. I have noticed that when I run cinebench r23 I get significantly different results if I use the Armoury crate software set to eco mode to disable the dgpu or if I leave it standard. It seems when I leave the gpu enabled my multicore scores differ anywhere from 9k-14k. In eco mode it is more consistent and generally achieves 12k-16k multicore. I also noticed the cpu will rapidly adjust from 80 degrees at very high ghzs and jump down to 60 degrees running below 1ghz with it jumping back and fourth. Is that something you encountered, do I have a bad unit, or are the drivers just not solidified yet to keep consistency? Sorry for the long comment but I really love this device and want to keep it, but I want to make sure that I don't have a defective unit.
Hey jarrods, can you take a look at the ACER NITRO 5 AN515-57-98VC. It packed a core i9-11900H, rtx3060, and 16gb of ram. Too good to be true for the price point, if you can get your hands on the laptop it would definetly interesting seeing the quality of it.
Thanks for the great video! Only the 4K version comes with the XG Mobile 3080. If I get it and set the resolution to FHD, do you think the battery life & game FPS will be close to the version you’re reviewing? (Don’t care about then4K 60hz refresh as the 3050Ti + small screen size won’t make it too practical for gaming!)
Gaming performance should be much the same if you lower the resolution, though battery life might differ a bit as the panel will probably have different brightness levels.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks so much for your insight. I pre-ordered the 4K version as it’s the only option that comes with the 3080 XGM in the UK market. I figured that it’s a bit silly to play games on such a small screen so I wanted more of an iPad display experience. Again, thanks for responding!!
They need to kill the SKU with the dGPU completely, change from the tablet form factor to a 14" 2 in 1 and move most of the ports, especially their PCI Connector to the back = perfect machine
Jerrod, any comment on the CPU dipping to 1.0GHz making some games completely annoying to play? It'll go from 3ghz to 1ghz making it seem like you're constantly unplugging the charger. 60+fps and a really smooth experience to 25-30 for a few seconds and then it just repeats like that. Does this in Rust and Elden Ring.
Thunderbolt egpu vs the xg mobile would be interesting to see, as desktop gpus are coming down in price and provides future upgradability at least. Could a test like this be done without using different laptops like you did in the x13 test a year ago? That would be a more apples to apples test
@@thehumanracesucks1017 I am on the system now, how on earth did u manage 8 hours, my first session on battery I tried using just the integrated card, minimum brightness and I still got only half that 😂
@@SmokeyPSD you have to make sure you mess with windows settings, power plan. And a few other gimmicks. Mine will give me about 4 to 5 hours of movie time on battery. Granted the screen brightness is 0 and locked at 60hz. But idk man, can't empart decades of tinkering with setting on to you. My bad.
Jarrod, do you know if there will be a refresh of the X13? I personally like that the X13, as it was a laptop with a permanently attached keyboard, and also felt more comfortable to use
Jarrod, I plan to start a sports podcast UA-cam channel in the upcoming weeks. I am still learning about laptops and so far I like the MSI GE76 Raider(16 GB memory/ 1TB SSD/ 3060 graphics card). It is $1500 at my local Costco, would you recommend it? Please and thank you for the response 🙏
hopefully next year the flow line got an upgrade and also a good price to value ratio. cz to be honest i really love this kind 2 in 1 but the pricing and the gpu man..
I agree the price is too high. I bought mine at $1900+tax and I believe the difference between the X13 variant shouldn't be more than a couple hundred. Graphics card identical, identical RAM capacity and identical SSD upon purchase. The micro SD slot is nice and can double storage but I found the build to be a bit plastic. Parts of it feels squishy. Even the power button is squishy.
Hello again, I'm about to push the button for this tablet /laptop, in part for your review. But I was wondering if it's possible to use another power brick, more compact without so many cables. A Power brick and cable, but without a third long cable. Thank you and sorry for the weird question.
I'm not sure what you mean by third long cable. The brick it comes with comes with one type-c cable that connects to it. In theory, it should work but asus have said they limit charger support, so they might not give it full power.
@@JarrodsTech alright, I meant a more portable power brick, with only one cable. Alright, I'll check it out after I purchase it. Your reviews are quite good, thanks
Hey Jarrod, the legion 5 pro (with RTX 3070) is out of stock in my country. Wanted your opinion on good alternatives to it that are close to it in terms of performance. So far I have narrowed down my search to three laptops (which are in stock in my country): 1) ASUS strix G15 advantage edition 2) HP omen 15 (with ryzen 7 and RTX 3070) 3) HP omen 16 (with 11th gen intel core i7 and RTX 3070 max-q) I am a little concerned about the durability and reliability of ASUS laptops and also the after-sales service. With omen 15, the problem is the low power limit of the GPU (100W) and a lack of a MUX switch. I read somewhere that omen 16 has a MUX switch and higher power limit of 115W (not sure about the power limit, will need to confirm if its true). All things considered, do you think omen 16 would be the best choice among the 3 laptops that I have listed?
Just bought one today i7-12700H 16GB 3050 to replace a surface pro8 LTE. Now I just need to get a hotspot! Just on the fence about a 3090 in an EGPU or the 3080 XG Mobile.
Might sound like a stupid question but it does have a HDMI/ DPort or USB-C you can use to use this as a 2nd mini screen correct? Want to use this outside of home but possibly as a second screen at home
They couldn't run USB 3 to that A port via a ribbon cable? Not a bad gaming tab with the 3050, but I wouldn't waste my money getting the external GPU, much cheaper getting a laptop or desktop.
Been having this strange problem where Windows 11 places single threaded loads (such as games) on the wrong core/thread. My CPU is the R7 5800H. When playing Valorant, for example, my most loaded thread is the last one, CPU15. Same happens when I run a game on PPSSPP (PSP emulator) with an uncapped frame rate (at maximum possible speed for testing purposes, basically a super single threaded workload). The load gets placed on one of the non physical threads of the CPU which makes no sense. Could you please lend me a hand investigating the issue? Are you being affected as well? Cheers! Keep up with the good videos 👍🏿 You were part of the reason I bought my legion 5.
Hey jarrod i have a question is rtx 3050ti work with stream and playing pubg mobile on simulator with same time or you prefer higher gpu Please help me
Hello, I have seen your video since in principle I plan to acquire this product. I have an MSI laptop luckily this one has the cooler boost mode which means it doesn't get hot and I can play and record games quietly, this tablet has a silent mode and if I only select this mode if I have understood correctly I shouldn't have any problems, forgive me the text but I want to make sure I invest my money well so I don't get any surprises thanks for reading
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I am sold
How is your comment from a day ago lol
Has Asus given any lifesigns on the new X13? (the two in one)
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Hey Jarrod, will you adopt me so I could get to try all new laptop every time they come out.
In my country it cost around 2900 pounds. In that amount I can buy asus G15 with rtx 3070ti and an ipad pro with M1 CHIP.
Sure, you could buy an Asus G15 AND an iPad Pro. But then you would have an Asus G15 AND an iPad Pro, but NOT the Asus Z13 🙃
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P O R T A B I L I T Y, and its form factor is what youre paying here bro. You could have all the ipad , but that doest have rgb on the back 🤪
@@h3nry_t122 Scan has it. 4k version with 3080 egpu £2999, FHD+ version without egpu is £1899. Egpu bundled is 1k compared to last year where it was 1.5k.
In my country, you can buy a piece of land on the outskirts of the Capital City.... Crazy
There is only one problem with that tablet, it is a limitation of max RAM capacity. This tablet also will be a great solution for people who want the extremely portable workstation and they need 32GB RAM.
They should have the 32gb ram version. I wonder why they didn't do it 😐
How about the God awful pricing? Everybody in this comment section is behaving like 2000$ for a 2 in 1 with a 3050ti is a normal price, I feel like I'm in some sort of Truman show. The same unit with a top of the line ryzen chip and a non-detachable keyboard costed 1500$ last year! Why the 33% price hike just for the keyboard detachment?
@@LeFatalpotato I hate the pricing as well. This would otherwise be fine for me as I run around quite a bit.
@@fjallmann same! İ might have even bought the egpu as I have a monitor at home that would be cool to hook this up with.
@@LeFatalpotato I can find for you this hardware even for 1300$. But it will be the full laptop. Always the compact device with the same specs was more expensive than large one. If you look, you can see that the Mini ITX components of PC also have higher prices than normal ATX one. Rog Flow Z13 is just little heavy tablet, but with powerful CPU and initial GPU. It is not the same make the tablet like that and I don’t talk only about build part. Engineers need to develop difficult and complex system of cooling in that tiny case.
Just a heads up.... i just got my BestBuy unit in today and I can confirm that the Surface pen works perfectly on this tablet. All features works perfectly, as if it was designed for the Z13.
I really hope this form factor takes off. I love tablets and honestly having one that can run full windows and play games at a reasonable level is just a dream come true. I'm tempted to sell off my current laptop for this as the niche of hooking up and egpu to this bad boy and just taking the tablet with me when I'm leave the house is honestly something I've wanted to do for years. I definitely want to see the results of using a thunderbolt egpu vs the xg mobile.
this looks more like downgrade than upgrade for me from Flow x13, Lower battery life, more heavier with keyboard , lack of hdmi 2.0 and usb 3.2 gen port.
Yeah, but Thunderbolt 4 port. 1 connection to rule them all!
But a tablet is so much more useable! You can use it like a phone!!!
@@RichCompMan that dedicated port for the XG mobile egpu connects directly into the pci-e lanes. So it in theory should be faster than thunderbolt 4. We’ll know for sure once jarrod posts the video on that.
@@Terreos Yeah but that accessory is overpriced and underpowered. It's basically a laptop GPU in a proprietary case. I would like to see what a Desktop GPU can do.
@@taigaramsey8061 Exactly, With a EGPU you can Swap Cards and move it to any other PC or a laptop that has a thunderbolt port. I'm looking for PCIE 4 EGPU but I can't find one. I don't think they make them just yet, but I would love to try out my 3080Ti and 6800XT in one.
This video was a little diffrent than usual and it seems like you had fun making it. Keep it up, i enjoyed watching a lot!
Great review as always! I'm considering this combo to be my next "laptop"... I'd love to see the comparison with the new X13 models and the XG Mobile with the RX 6850m XT when available and a deeper dive into linux compatibility.
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Having used gaming laptops for a while now, I reckon having the GPU external makes a lot more sense. I cringe at the temps I get on my laptops during extended gaming sessions. Something must give in eventually with this much heat all the time. I recently considered getting a proper PC box but I need a laptop...this setup makes more sense to me. Def a good idea 👍
Lift the back of the laptop with something small temps will drop
It would be cool to see in the future a version of the Z13 but in a 15 inch size, with a detachable (but still functional) wireless keyboard like the mothership had back in the day, I suppose it would be the next big step to making portable 15 inch 2 in 1's even more appealing.
I feel like 15 inch would be a bit big for a tablet
i think that would defeat the purpose.
@@Sebbir It certainly is, but even then, there are people who love the surface book, when the sb3 launched I thought of getting one for college/gaming, but the 1660 it had was truly not enough, and I think asus could pull off a surface book competitor that could do real good on gaming and creative applications if they keep going the xgmobile
@@darenren It does, but I'm just trying to think "outside the box", there are some laptops that have tried to do that, but for the creative kind of consumer, the acer concept laptops were a real good design, still with flaws of course, but with the people and resources these companies have, if the public shows enough interest, they might pull a big one of. It will be cool, having tablet-like laptop that could be "docked" to maximize performance.
@@DarkellVein check out asus' latest release. They have a folding tablet laptop released this year.
I love the form factor of this. The idea of being able to dock it as a PC or use it as a drawing tablet while I'm sitting on the couch has major appeal. 16GB is functional but 32GB would remove any hesitations. Is it stable enough to run as a primary PC for light creative work?
My thoughts too but ive read 16 GB is more than enough
Excited to see the G14 review
It has another function
After using it for more than 2 hours,u can use its back as an induction stove.
I am testing the i7 version and multicore performance is also quite conservative but acceptable for such a small machine. Yet the concept of separating CPU and external GPU is simply great, both parts get individual power and cooling.
It doesn't fully utilize the cpu until you have the egpu
@@Who-Uhm-Cares True, it can maintain 75W when connected to XG Mobile.
The review enables purchase decisions very well. The selection of noise samples is the most meaningful I have ever listened to. Many thanks!
Glad you like them!
I'm impressed by the quality of this video and the fact he's wearing a band shirt is amazing
I really love my original Asus Transformer TF101. Really wish Asus continue to make a "Transformer"-like or "Surface book"-like dock for tablets like this.
Amazing! But 13" is too small for gaming for me. With an external monitor would be great tho
For $1900 without the XG mobile, you can do better for an enternal monitor.
@@bfish9700 you are totally right ngl
Thank you for weighing them! I feel that not enough reviewers talk about weight /inc charger
Really looking forward to the g14 review
they should have put ryzen 6000 series in this tablet efficiency is everything in chassis like this. And also rdna2 graphics without dgpu would be nice compared to xe graphics
Picked up an ASUS 2in1 VivoBook with Intel Iris XE MAX and bought a used/refurbished Razor EGPU, threw in a used 1070ftw in there and couldn't be happier with it, all for under $1500.
Thanks Jarrod on your vids.
I've finally bought my own legion 5 laptop for content creation and general business use 😁😁
It just sucks that the PH model gets the cheapest options when it comes to ram and wifi card chips but nevertheless it can be upgraded down the line...
Thanks and keep up the great work 😁👌👌
It's a really cool device. I love the capability of having a such portability with performance, and the ability to add performance when needed. I'd love have a laptop style keyboard attachment in addition to the tablet keyboard with kickstand. It's great if you have internet issues, data caps, or no internet and need to travel to get updates. I think the perfect product is just around the corner. If they could have gotten a 3060 or even a 3070 in the tablet itself and was able to play RDR2 at 60 fps ultra settings with no issues, it would be an absolute beast of a machine. A real desktop replacement with amazing portability and functionality. I can't wait for the next model of this, and I really hope this one sells well so we can get a great next model.
Looking forward to your review of the new TUF line up. Also hoping for a review of the updated flow x13.
Isn't this the updated flow x 13?
@@justarandomguy8099 No, there’s an updated version. Ryzen 9 6000 series. Doesn’t look massively different to last iteration with 3050ti. There’s also an xg mobile with Ryzen RX6850m.
@@danielhirst3151 wow I didn't know that thank you for informing me.
I really love the low temperatures. Would choose this instead of most laptops only because of this.
Funny. I didn't notice you were saying sponsor message until it was almost over :D what a seamless transition. edit: Can't wait to see upcoming 6000 laptops reviews
Might honestly get this and the EGPU. Such a cool device and could be future proofed if they keep releasing egpu upgrades
You can use the Nvidia RTX voice as well for background noise removal.
Still can’t wait for the new g14 & new legion reviews
I love the metal band shirts bro!
Best buy has a 6900HS already listed of the z13 which is only 100$ more expensive than x13, it isn't avaible yet though. I think the 6900S is way better than the i9 cuz the battery life will be better than even last year model
Some early reviews seem to hint at the 6900 cpu in the g14 was running hot. And that was with a vapor chamber and liquid metal. So it would be wise to see some user reviews to see if they fix that before spending your hard earned money.
As soon as this is available in Oz I'm gonna put in a preorder, to be used as my portal workstation
extremely thorough and effective review
It's cool that you covered it, but I can't see any future that I would buy this. If extreme portability is most important then something like a steam deck would game on the go better, and a 14" laptop would be way more usable for productivity.
Might be powerful, but it’s also expensive as hell, the lack of upgradability has it on a ticking clock, and if the XG mobile is just as cumbersome to use as it was on the X13, I’m not all that interested in picking it up again.
Came here to say I love the In Flames T-shirt. 🤘😎🤘
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Thanks for the video. I've been watching this laptop for a while as I value the unique portability but agreed the price at release seemed a little high. However, one year on and this laptop has some heavy discounts now (~USD1000) so I picked one up. I think at this price, with the ability to put in an older or newer XG Mobile GPU it might be a bargain. It still seems unique in its size/power/portability and hiping that older gen i9 will still keep it relevant for a few more years.
Good job
Btw plz make a video about the required system for 3d modeling and if a gaming laptop for example can meet the needs
And also about different display aspect ratios like 16×10 and 16×9 etc and the benefits of each
Tnk u so much
this thing looks so freaking cool in my dorm room. i have 2 innoview 15inch monitorson vesa mount on either side. mine has the rtx 350 it gets my needs taken care of. studying ,photography, and i play classic wow. as happy as i am with the z13 i would get the 2021 macbook pro 14 now that its on sell
" or i'm going blind, i mean it's possible, i look at a lot of RGB " this one get's me LOL
Excellent review, thank u👍
It’s a really good product, albeit pricy, but like you said, it’s not for everyone.
I just want this as a small portable work station that i can also add as an external monitor
This is a great product, but the prices they are flouting around are jokes. The i9 is 400$ more expensive than last years x13, and i5 is probably going to be 400$ more expensive than surface pro, which is already very pricy. These are already extremely portable products, so it's the price of portability argument is invalid. Asus clearly missed the mark with pricing.
surface pro is just an ultrabook with u-series CPU, think about the analogy of MacBook air vs MacBook pro both portable but you can charge more for more performance
@@woshikakadong I don't know much about Apple shenanigans, but MacBook pro has a gpu afaik, and is a completely different class of product that Appleheads like comparing to gaming laptops. I don't think having just an H class cpu does not turn this into a full fledged gaming laptop. Last years x13 had an R9 cpu as well, and it was sold for 1500$. From what I understand from overseas prices, the egpu used to cost 1500$, and probably not too many people bought it last year, so this year the laptop costs another 500$, and the egpu is "500$ cheaper".
Don't like this at all. I think I'll go with another brand, especially if there will be any ryzen tablets. I think their power band suits this class of machines better
@@LeFatalpotato I dont know about Microsoft shenanigans, but if there exist a surface pro with H series cpu and gtx3050ti, i can guarantee Microsoft will price it higher than current surface pro
@@woshikakadong yeah, the problem is, would it be 1900$?
Currently, i5 surface pro is selling for 900$. The problem with this device is that it is a lot more expensive than anything similar in performance/form factor, including last years almost identical model, x13, which sold for 1500$ for the top model.
This is just so beautiful.
could you use a more up to date linux os? something like endeavorOS or Manjaro. Ubuntu uses older kernel which sometimes could mean no hardware enablement to support the newest hardware. something like endeavorOS on the other hand, has a more up to date kernel for iso on live cd (they release new iso every new month or so).
Jarrod, did you prefer this to the flow x13? I think at this size I'm more attracted to a ryzen 6000 cpu for efficiency. I didn't know if you had a view over which was the better implementation
Hmm I didn't really mind either as a laptop, probably X13 for laptop mode as you don't need the kick stand which is a pain in some scenarios like on your lap. As a tablet though X13 not as good as you are holding the keyboard and it feels a bit weird.
@@JarrodsTech thank you Jarrod, makes sense. I think I lean toward the laptop but the z13 definitely looks more badass 😎 tough call
Can you compare it with the macbook air M1?
In terms of battery life and performance on battery which one do you prefer?
and can you compare the XG Mobile with NVIDIA 3080 with RX 6850M XT in the future?
macbooks are not good for gaming
@@truthseeker6804 yes i know it but for editing like premire pro or after effect or 3d modeling, which one is the best between both laptops?
@@kknmitkelompok3889 you have to check if all the programs you use can run natively on the MacBook, if they can then go for MacBook because probably more battery. But tablet is versatile tho, I’m typing to you now on my iPad as I lay on my bed, can’t do that it easily with my Laptop
@@truthseeker6804 ok 2 in 1 tablet/laptop very versatile. which is a plus point to ROG Flow Z13
Do you think that's worth the price? To run a tiple A gaming or just an alternate windows tablet for gaming? If you do think so, i'll buy it.
Jarrod will you post a list of laptops that you are going to review for this month or 2 months.
6:11 One storage port that may have been missed in the review was the Micro SD card slot beneath the kickstand.
Good point. I didn't mention it there, but it is discussed and shown at 18:33
@@JarrodsTech I done missed that part and I don’t know how I did🤣. That is pretty dang good performance though like you mentioned and might be good enough to run games off of in a pinch once the SSD starts to get low on storage.
Now the question has to come up. Will Asus make this in a size for adults?
I bought it five months ago ago and it started battery problems, send back for repair, thats not good for such good product. I hope they fix it and send me back as soon as possible
Nice video , really entertaining. I was wondering if we can recharge at least stand the charge by a regular usb A/Usb type C cable?
1:50 For device like tablet I would say everything below 400 nits defeats purpose of tablet. You cannot move around freely with screen dimmer than that because you wont see anything or it wont be comfortable in many cases.
Its 500 nits
This is definitely a niche product, but it seems like it would be good for a traveler who plays a lot of controller based games because then you don't even need the keyboard hanging off it. With the 3050 it can probably upscale late console emulation too.
Could be the best portable PS2 released yet.
will buy this 15" with VESA/Tripod Socket on the back
When will you have the Asus X13 to test that's the one I'm eagerly awaiting since the Samsung Tab 8 Ultra is a Dim portable.
If they sold an external enclosure that allowed you to put your own desktop GPU in it, I would seriously consider this.
It has Thunderbolt, so you can use any regular eGPU enclosure, I'm working on a video on it.
@@JarrodsTech I'll look forward to it.
love this form factor, probably the best for a gaming laptop, better airflow, better exhaust with keyboard easily removeable so that you don't have to use that awful laptop keyboard for game
Cheeky Mrs Tech appearance? Very interesting device that's for sure and very tempting to get (even if it's not exactly "budget" to get with the external GPU LOL )
Can't wait for your legion 5 pro review of 2022, especially intel vs amd battery life once both are released. All the other channels are not even close to your quality and content.
Oh and if possible please check the max opening angle of the lid
Jarrod what is the adaptive sync range of the screen? The intel GFX app will tell you this in the display info section. Please.
I would love to see them put a Ryzen 6800HS in this thing. eGPU or no, portable 1080p gaming in a Surface form factor would be dope.
Exactly. We can hope for flow x13 2022 can do this
@@green_block I mean yes 2900 must include the egpu. Have you checked the 6000 series gaming performance? It can run 60hz on full HD on many games already. Similar to 3050. With Ryzen 6000 series + egpu, hopefully drop price to 2700 would be sweeter
@@green_block well it wouldn't chat that much then, since they wouldn't integrate a dGPU into the design at all. Basically I'm saying that even something like the next generation of Surface products, if they're willing to go HS rather than U, have an amazing value proposition (provided they can handle the thermals)
When is the Zephyrus G14 review coming out?
Hey, I just purchased this device and got it last week. I have noticed that when I run cinebench r23 I get significantly different results if I use the Armoury crate software set to eco mode to disable the dgpu or if I leave it standard. It seems when I leave the gpu enabled my multicore scores differ anywhere from 9k-14k. In eco mode it is more consistent and generally achieves 12k-16k multicore. I also noticed the cpu will rapidly adjust from 80 degrees at very high ghzs and jump down to 60 degrees running below 1ghz with it jumping back and fourth. Is that something you encountered, do I have a bad unit, or are the drivers just not solidified yet to keep consistency? Sorry for the long comment but I really love this device and want to keep it, but I want to make sure that I don't have a defective unit.
how is the battery for general use?
I wondering if we can recharge at least stand the charge by a regular usb A/Usb type C cable?
Coming for the shirt 🤘🏿🤘🏿
Hey jarrods, can you take a look at the ACER NITRO 5 AN515-57-98VC. It packed a core i9-11900H, rtx3060, and 16gb of ram. Too good to be true for the price point, if you can get your hands on the laptop it would definetly interesting seeing the quality of it.
I heard Acer Nitro sucks
@@holl7w thats why im curious with jarrods perspective. You know, a non-enthusiast will most likely fall for "core i9" logo trap
@@zakinuralif1458 he doesnt usually get last gen hardware for review.
@@holl7w For budget it's acceptable, but the overall quality isn't very great.
@@Qiqi10 Not even great for budget. It will break really fast.
Is it out already or is it sold out? Rip to everyone in Europe and Oceania that cant get their hands on this yet.
Thanks for the great video! Only the 4K version comes with the XG Mobile 3080. If I get it and set the resolution to FHD, do you think the battery life & game FPS will be close to the version you’re reviewing? (Don’t care about then4K 60hz refresh as the 3050Ti + small screen size won’t make it too practical for gaming!)
Same question..
Gaming performance should be much the same if you lower the resolution, though battery life might differ a bit as the panel will probably have different brightness levels.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks so much for your insight. I pre-ordered the 4K version as it’s the only option that comes with the 3080 XGM in the UK market. I figured that it’s a bit silly to play games on such a small screen so I wanted more of an iPad display experience. Again, thanks for responding!!
I bought the 1920x1200 120 Hz screen, came with XG Mobile 3080
Any idea when lenovo is gonna release the gen 7 legion 5 models? And do you ever get the laptops for review before they launch?
What is the release date for this one?
When will this laptop be released?
They need to kill the SKU with the dGPU completely, change from the tablet form factor to a 14" 2 in 1 and move most of the ports, especially their PCI Connector to the back = perfect machine
Jerrod, any comment on the CPU dipping to 1.0GHz making some games completely annoying to play? It'll go from 3ghz to 1ghz making it seem like you're constantly unplugging the charger. 60+fps and a really smooth experience to 25-30 for a few seconds and then it just repeats like that. Does this in Rust and Elden Ring.
Thunderbolt egpu vs the xg mobile would be interesting to see, as desktop gpus are coming down in price and provides future upgradability at least.
Could a test like this be done without using different laptops like you did in the x13 test a year ago? That would be a more apples to apples test
Jarrod bro , please do comparasing betwem egpu and the asus egpu to see what is the difference , since price is similar
is the stylus always included? battery life aside this looks like a great machine
If you utilize all the power saving options, it will live 8+ hours of regular daily use. Coming from an owner of this exact model
@@thehumanracesucks1017 I am on the system now, how on earth did u manage 8 hours, my first session on battery I tried using just the integrated card, minimum brightness and I still got only half that 😂
@@SmokeyPSD you have to make sure you mess with windows settings, power plan. And a few other gimmicks. Mine will give me about 4 to 5 hours of movie time on battery. Granted the screen brightness is 0 and locked at 60hz. But idk man, can't empart decades of tinkering with setting on to you. My bad.
What is the standby battery time on this?
Can you use your own eGPU with that thunderbolt port?
My main problem with this and surface pro devices is no 4G support.
You can use your phone or a external modem for this. extra radio modems in a device add to the paperwork and cost of the device.
Jarrod, do you know if there will be a refresh of the X13? I personally like that the X13, as it was a laptop with a permanently attached keyboard, and also felt more comfortable to use
There is a refreshed x13 with newer ryzen processor.
Jarrod, I plan to start a sports podcast UA-cam channel in the upcoming weeks. I am still learning about laptops and so far I like the MSI GE76 Raider(16 GB memory/ 1TB SSD/ 3060 graphics card). It is $1500 at my local Costco, would you recommend it? Please and thank you for the response 🙏
Great review! Is there a way to Rollback to Bios 305 so Undervolting is possible again? Thanks
When that ASUS TUF DASH 2022 review coming out Jarrod? ; )
Hey Jarrod, can you make a video that compare Legion 5 (Normal One not Pro) with Predator Helios 300,
Both using RTX 3060, i7 11800H/R7 5800H
hopefully next year the flow line got an upgrade and also a good price to value ratio. cz to be honest i really love this kind 2 in 1 but the pricing and the gpu man..
I agree the price is too high. I bought mine at $1900+tax and I believe the difference between the X13 variant shouldn't be more than a couple hundred. Graphics card identical, identical RAM capacity and identical SSD upon purchase. The micro SD slot is nice and can double storage but I found the build to be a bit plastic. Parts of it feels squishy. Even the power button is squishy.
Hello again, I'm about to push the button for this tablet /laptop, in part for your review. But I was wondering if it's possible to use another power brick, more compact without so many cables. A Power brick and cable, but without a third long cable. Thank you and sorry for the weird question.
Another 100 watt power brick, that's my question.
I'm not sure what you mean by third long cable. The brick it comes with comes with one type-c cable that connects to it. In theory, it should work but asus have said they limit charger support, so they might not give it full power.
@@JarrodsTech alright, I meant a more portable power brick, with only one cable. Alright, I'll check it out after I purchase it. Your reviews are quite good, thanks
Hey Jarrod, the legion 5 pro (with RTX 3070) is out of stock in my country. Wanted your opinion on good alternatives to it that are close to it in terms of performance. So far I have narrowed down my search to three laptops (which are in stock in my country):
1) ASUS strix G15 advantage edition
2) HP omen 15 (with ryzen 7 and RTX 3070)
3) HP omen 16 (with 11th gen intel core i7 and RTX 3070 max-q)
I am a little concerned about the durability and reliability of ASUS laptops and also the after-sales service.
With omen 15, the problem is the low power limit of the GPU (100W) and a lack of a MUX switch.
I read somewhere that omen 16 has a MUX switch and higher power limit of 115W (not sure about the power limit, will need to confirm if its true).
All things considered, do you think omen 16 would be the best choice among the 3 laptops that I have listed?
def go w strix
Curious what Asus Y13 will be :D maybe Pipo x11 type nuc device? :D and then X13 vs Z13 :)
Just bought one today i7-12700H 16GB 3050 to replace a surface pro8 LTE. Now I just need to get a hotspot! Just on the fence about a 3090 in an EGPU or the 3080 XG Mobile.
Have you checked cinebench r23 scores with XG Mobile?
When is legion 5i 7th gen coming out? Fabruary is ending soon
Might sound like a stupid question but it does have a HDMI/ DPort or USB-C you can use to use this as a 2nd mini screen correct? Want to use this outside of home but possibly as a second screen at home
They couldn't run USB 3 to that A port via a ribbon cable?
Not a bad gaming tab with the 3050, but I wouldn't waste my money getting the external GPU, much cheaper getting a laptop or desktop.
Been having this strange problem where Windows 11 places single threaded loads (such as games) on the wrong core/thread. My CPU is the R7 5800H.
When playing Valorant, for example, my most loaded thread is the last one, CPU15.
Same happens when I run a game on PPSSPP (PSP emulator) with an uncapped frame rate (at maximum possible speed for testing purposes, basically a super single threaded workload). The load gets placed on one of the non physical threads of the CPU which makes no sense.
Could you please lend me a hand investigating the issue? Are you being affected as well?
Cheers! Keep up with the good videos 👍🏿 You were part of the reason I bought my legion 5.
Hey jarrod i have a question is rtx 3050ti work with stream and playing pubg mobile on simulator with same time or you prefer higher gpu
Please help me
Hello, I have seen your video since in principle I plan to acquire this product. I have an MSI laptop luckily this one has the cooler boost mode which means it doesn't get hot and I can play and record games quietly, this tablet has a silent mode and if I only select this mode if I have understood correctly I shouldn't have any problems, forgive me the text but I want to make sure I invest my money well so I don't get any surprises thanks for reading