I prefer the X13 as I don't find much of a reason to go for a heavy windows tablet that has a worse battery life. The 6000 series CPUs are way powerful enough for me.
@@nguyenhai-cr5ks True. The only thing about the Z13 is when attached to eGPU everything feels faster. I have it setup for use as my mobile desktop tablet. Screen is brighter and color is better than the X13 when doing my organic chemistry homework and studying.
i m thinking of buying x13 ryzen 9. but in store i saw screen display quality/resolution not so much good compare to vivobook.. can u plz tell me whether that is for display mis-configuration?
@@chattarajeshan1992 Display misconfiguration? May your clarify? Most stores I see with the Asus X13 available have the FHD 120Hz version. There is the 4k variant with 60Hz screen but it seems harder to find. I find the screen used on the Asus Z13 is a bit more vibrant than the Asus X13. The 2022 version of the X13 has a screen that is brighter than the 2021.
I went for the z13 for the vastly superior cooling setup. Having the hot air being pushed up and away from the machine and never needing a cooling pad makes a huge difference
Having used the Flow x13, I get a lot of people asking how there is so much performance in such a small form factor. It's very quiet when not gaming. I wanted something that was low profile for every day use for work with good battery, and when I wanna play a demanding game, I can swap to that. Fan control and power settings are important. In battery boost mode, I had it set the CPU to under clock to use less power. Significantly increased battery. I love this thing, -just need to get the Mobile GPU lol.- got it! Update 6/21/2022 - Flow x16: Asus Flow x16 just released, and I'm hella tempted to swap to it for the 3070 Ti configuration, but I'm reluctant on it due to the larger footprint and price. Update 9/6/2022 - Final Decision: I sized up the Flow x16 at the Microcenter store. @Kiri_36 mentioned it's $1k+ more, so I opted for the XG Mobile 3080 instead, and I think I've got the best portable rig money can buy in 2022. It runs everything and offloads the heat as it sits on my lap, which is a major benefit.
@@RidwanGosal Going to the advanced power options in control panel, I set the processor power management to use 20% on battery. It is kinda weird when changing, but what I noticed was the clock speed dropped to 1.20GHz from 2.20GHz idle with chrome open and browsing, with citrix (work) I got about 40 extra minutes out of it.
I guess it's safe to wait the eGPU until the RTX 4000 series came out, Whether they continue the support for XG Mobile + using the same connector or not.
the Z13 is in my Top 3 favorite tech purchases of all time. im a Surface guy. have Surface Books, Pros, Go, Duos, RT. i was trying to decide between a Surface Pro X and the newest Pro. also had a Steam Deck on order. decided to go with the Z13 to instead of a new Pro AND the Steam Deck. i know this isnt a handheld. but i LOVE it. finally received my Steam Deck about 10 days ago. sold it to someone in Puerto Rico who couldnt get one. im happy and hes happy.
I had the X13 2021 last year. The AMD chip went up really hot unless you put the laptop in a tent mode (not practical while gaming unless you have an external keyboard or controller). For productivity work the battery was good however. I got around 8hrs (No Gaming). I bought the Z13 this year and using it for around a month. It's really good in terms of thermal management. It never went above 82 degrees even using the overclocking for CPU and GPU. And in silent mode the Z13 can give you around 6hrs battery. I am quite happy with this. But beware, it's not a lite tablet, that you can hold for long hours like an iPad.
i've been used x13 like 1 year, i think this is kind of laptop that ASUS should make in the future. small factor & good performance. the problem is just the paint peeling off if u often use it in hot environment & ASUS should make the trackpad larger in the next gen of this device , the last thing that they need to replace is 2230 type of SSD to 2260/2280 type of SSD in notebook.👌
Hello again. The same person who asked for a 3d modeling benchmarks list in your videos. Some of the common apps r Auto CAD, solid works, Auto desk 3d max and MATLAB. The reason I'm asking it is that I think there r a lot of engineering students like me who cannot afford workstation laptops so then they'll lean towards gaming laptops. Either way much obliged to u for the effort and reading the comments. Definitely appreciated. Tnx again
Depends on what kind of project do you plan to do on it. I would say that if you are a student, your projects are simple, and drawing in CAD software doesn't require a huge amount of vram, so any solid laptop without dedicated graphic card will do. I did my projects in MATLAB and SOLIDWORKS on a laptop that had vega 3, and everything was smooth and fast. Why would you waste money on these things. From my experience I got hyped about asus rog zephyrus g14, when I bought it for me it was huge disappointment. For a expensive laptop I experienced problems that I never experienced with lower end laptops. Stay away from overhyped products, unless you have enough money to waste.
Great comparison! Thanks especially for the Photoshop/Premiere comparisons. The idea of solid 4K video editing machines with such a small form factors is very compelling. Any thoughts on whether either of these could handle fairly light (under 10 minute videos, 5 layers or less) 8k video editing?
I think getting into 8k video editing you're going to need at least a 3060 for the extra VRAM. You could always get the XG Mobile with either of these two for the 3080 to be able to easily handle 8k editing, but that doubles the price
I have always noticed that Intel stuff is always expensive than AMD stuff and yeah that is the key point for me Even though i like the z13 form factor I’m not ready to pay $1899 when I can get almost same form factor for $1599
Efficiency > absolute performance any day of the week. This is why Apple Silicon is such a brilliant architecture - not because it bests the very best components (it doesn’t always), but because it competes using a fraction of the power. It makes both AMD and Intel look power-hungry, but Intel especially even with 12th gen and a 10nm process has a lot of catching up to do. Looking for maximum “frames per second” is useful for desktop comparison but I really like addressing battery life, fan noise, and live-ability with portable devices like these. Good job as always Matt!
Regarding the USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 Port in X13, Asus has promised, just like their other Ryzen 6000 series Laptops, that it will receive USB 4 update via a Firmware/Drive update. Technically the USB-C port is USB 4 in X13 but right now there is no driver and firmware support for it. That will eliminate some of the advantages Z13 has due to TB 4. What I understand correctly that for being used as a Laptop, X13 is a better buy due to combination of very good performance , keyboard and battery life whereas Z13 can be the best Windows Tablet. If you're really considering it for gaming then the eGPU dock is a must have and I think that $300 savings can be utilized over there, if you go with X13.
I want Z13 with Ryzen 9 6900HX and no dGPU. As power unrestricted integrated 680m is pretty close to 40W power starved RTX 3050. But not having that extra chip and power delivery leaves much more space inside for other things. Be it more efficient cooling. Bigger battery. Other/Full NVMe. ... (And apparently, gives potential for lighter device.) Secondly, one can go and buy external GPU box which is what is reasonable use of current Z13 variants. And then at low power draw side, AMD is currently better than intel, while Intel is better at high power draws. So mobility would be better. And Price? Just subtract price of RTX 3050. It would be winner on so many fronts. But from latest interview with Robert Hallock where he did talk about design wins, I have feeling that AMD did no score any "Tablet"/"2-in-1" devices and all we can look for are touch enabled devices with 360° rotation.
Funny thing: X13 with same specs is waiting for unboxing after delivery roughly one hour before - thanks for the video, confirming my decision after many hours of research. Hopefully it will work for 4k video editing on the go. So I will unbox it later and do not send it back for a Z13 :) Maybe later a fat desktop for final editing if the planned project is gaining motion! Thanks again!
@@AedxnUp to now I used it only for FullHD projects and it works like charm. Exporting to WMV format is slow (2x movie time base) but sufficient. Using 4k stuff during editing works. All with an external Disk (T7) on the USB port with ~300 MByte/s. Graphics delivers to a 4k external monitor.
1:40 The x13 has a USB A 3.2 gen 2 type C port (10 gigabits per second) whereas the z13 has a USB A 2.0 port because there wasn’t enough room internally for the cable to connect a USB 3.0 port or higher…
@@MeltdownDJ thunderbolt does everything worse. The display output is bottlenecked over displayport, egpu enclosures make a desktop 3080 much slower than the xg mobile, latency is much worse, and read and write speeds on ssds are slowed
@@MeltdownDJ it's not better than usb at anything other than doing multiple things at a time. Usb keyboards will always have less latency than a keyboard plugged into thunderbolt because it has to go through the more advanced system. Having wires just be separate is better or even better than both of those, the xg mobile.
I got the Z13 coming from a Surface Pro 4 ! I must say it's a great device not perfect but i just got BIOS 310 that should solve some problems ... Running games perfectly on 1080p with RTX3050Ti even recent ones...
They bumped up the price on the X13. Luckily, I was able to find an open box one for just under the old price. Its a very nice laptop. Feels great in the hand.
Does it Run software like Zbrush, Maya and substance painter smoothly with stylus ? or do we get delay with sculpting strokes ? also can you add extra GPU with it ?
Z13 is so compelling but that significantly inferior battery life compared to X13 kind of ruined its most important aspect for being a portable device which logically relies on battery more often. While Intel CPU is superior in terms of performance this time, I'd still consider AMD is the winner in high performance ultra portable device like this.
I own 2021 x13. The AMD Chip gets hot very quickly. And battery life is not long as I expected, not gaming is around 3-4hrs with battery charging protection (85% charged). For me laptop form factor is more flexible than tablet work horse. X13, so far, is still the best choice for me.
Asus ROG Flow Z13 GZ301 2022 FHD+ Touch 2.5GHz i9-12900H 16GB 1TB RTX Or Asus ROG Flow X13 2021 FHD+ Touch 3.3GHz Ryzen 9 5900HS 16GB 1TB SSD Which one for best ?
I picked up a Flow X13 on a great deal at best buy. I didn't know it had a touch screen or that it folded back when I bought it, but I was amazed when I found out. How do you get 9 hours of usage? I can only get about 2-3 hours. Please reply. Edit: 2-3 hours surfing the web.
@@flaypl I just checked. Yep. It is the old model. Oh well. It lasted a 3 hour flight and still had 60%, but I had it on battery saver. Thank you for your reply!
@@liamrussell996 happy to help :) It's still an awesome machine that I'm thinking about buying. There's a bundle sold in my country of x13 5980HS 1650 together with the external 3080 GPU for around $2000. But that's kinda a lot by Poland's standards and I don't think I can afford it unfortunately :) Hope yours servers you well though.
@@andresdigi25 no itl run at 1080p on the gpu, I run Elden Ring at 1080 60fps too. Its not going to rival bigger, more expensive laptops, but its got really solid build quality, runs games at decent settings(you can play pretty much any indie game at 2k), and its extremely compact. It also works with the surface pen so if you do any digital art its pretty nice.
@@xf730 how so? its ran perfect for what I need it to do. I can play games at decent settings, it is so small you can take it anywhere, and it works in 3d software very well and allows me to make more money than you. I wouldn't call it a potato kid.
just some advice from someone with the z13... dont expect it to last more than 2 years if it can even make it that long so consider that when you are about to buy it new at over 1k price point, go get a ipad or hp laptop instead those have not let me down.
I'm a student, so I really want that tablet feeling. But 90% of the comments say that the X13 is the better choice. Is there any other student here (or with similar concerns) that tried the Z13 for thoughts? Or decided to go for the X13 and thinks they made the better choice?
I like the form factor the z13 has to offer, but that using only the intel cpu is a big deal for me. how can they market the tablet scenario, when the cpu has almost half the battery life of the Ryzen variant. I have no problem with the keyboard because I use an external mechanical keyboard anyway (using X13 will be in tent mode or tabletop mode), but I like Z13 scenario better where you can straight remove the keyboard, but still does not justify the cons on battery life and higher price. also 300$ difference, you could buy X13 + 2TB external SSD + dongle. I think only get Z13 if you are really depend on that thunderbolt port.
I hope you'll get your hands on the latest Asus Zenbook 14X OLED UX5401and review it. It's been months since it was introduced yet still no handson reviews and price 😔
I got the M16 this year, got a bit (or rather) disappointed with the battery life, which literally sucks. Really looking foward to the X13 getting a RTX3060 or a RX6700S, if there's enough internal space in future models. I could really use some extra VRAM, since Forza Horizon is what I mainly play. Also I hope the screens can get a better response time.
Good review Mr. Matthew. I prefer X13 over Z13 any day since it's more value for money option. Also, X13 is future proof since its hardware is under the keyboard just like in any other laptops, whereas the Z13 has all its hardware including the battery under the display which is very risky. If its battery bulges or leaks, the whole hardware is prone to damages along with the battery, then you just have to throw the device away and get yourselves a new device. Also, the Z13 can't be used on your laptop like a normal laptop, you have to place it on a stable surface if you want to use the keyboard. You haven't covered the stylus in your comparison. I'm a student and I use my Galaxy Tab S7 for my note-taking and my laptop for all other windows related stuff which is burdensome if you wanna carry both devices. So, I'm planning to get myself a 2 in 1. I have researched some decent 2 in 1s like Samsung Galaxy Book 2 Pro 360, HP Spectre, MS Surface Pro 9 etc. but they all fall short in some important areas like performance, storage, os, price, stylus. Some devices are exorbitantly priced and some are heavy if you choose a higher specced variant. The X13 seems to be a capable all rounder but I'm not sure how its stylus performs and how optimised its apps are for tablet experience. I wanna know how it performs in apps like MS OneNote, Word, S Notes etc. but unfortunately no one seems to talk or make videos in this aspect.
@@paulamero9120 No, I have a Lenovo Legion 5. But someone I know had a Surface Pro the display of which came apart due to the bulge in the battery in just under three years after which the device was out of warranty and they had no choice but to discard it and get himself a new laptop. He regretted buying a Surface Pro.
At its price, only having a 3050 ti makes it a dealbreaker. The portability doesn't make up for the lack of performance at price point, especially when you consider how heavy it is.
the 3050ti is already a whole lot better than anything out there in this device category, especially when all of them are only using integrated gpu. Of course having a xx60 gpu would be the ultimate but I have not seen any attempt by any manufacturers at making a tablet form computer using any xx60 series gpu or above.
@@kenhew4641 Its a pretty insane premium to pay for a tablet form factor. Its the same price as a 3070 or even 3080 equipped laptop, but you can only run newer releases at 720p/30fps on lowest settings. That's like steam deck levels of performance for a $2k device.
According to the benchmarks, as a motion and graphic designer should i go for the Z13? Is there any other 2in1 laptop like those from Asus Rog and Microsoft Surface?
ok....I got both models...am a gamer...and the z13 is by far my favorite. Why ?...simple, first laptop that I can play on my lap, bed...without worring about heat management....at last ;-)
👍That is great to hear. I think I am leaning towards the z13 also. I already have a powerful business thinkpad laptop (but no dedicated graphics card) and was looking for a 2nd laptop that had that small form factor just for gaming.
@@КристиянТрънбашев-ш6г no, performance under battery is good..but personally I plug the device whenever I have a power socket near me….also…power brick is so small….it’s not an issue.
Can you upgrade the RAM on the Z13 2023 model? I read it has 16GB only, is that soldered? Some sites claim it has 2x SO-DIMM? Please can you clarify this....
Ngl I wanted the Z13 because of the drawing tablet capabilities but X13 can do the same things and is cheaper... Or maybe I'll go for the X16 because of the upgrade potential and the 240hz panel
I have a old surface Pro 3 and noticed that the price of the z13 has reduced from £1800 to £1400. Would this discount make the z13 a good choice over a newer surface pro as I like that it imitates the Microsoft surface pro form factor. Thank you for your opinion. Craig
Is the x13 ryzen 7 rtx 3050 enough for architecture programs?? Or should I get the Zhephirus g14 rtx 6700s??? Have a tactil panel is a plus but if the diference is so big I could get the g14 , help please 😓
Z13 battery lasts 7 hours on a good day. Usually you would get around 4 hrs. I had one, I returned it and got x13. 10 hours battery life usually. Much better.
like you, I prefer a standalone system with a screen and a detachable keyboard. Never liked those 2in1 with the keyboard folded back, it just looks clunky. If z13 comes with a xx60 gpu I would've bought it rightaway nevermind the cost or at the expense of battery life or weight. Just a standalone sleek solid device with wide angle kickstand like the surface pro
I am an Asus ROG G15 (2022 model) owner. I am trying to RMA that laptop because it has defective iGPU (AMD Radeon 680M inside the AMD Ryzen 7 6800HS CPU made by AsusTek), and have been definitely REGRETting buying it. (yes continously regretting) If I see an Asus laptop post in my feed, I feel the need to inform the good people of internet about what they may confront with. Don't buy from Asus because their products have issues(mostly QA-quality assurance) and their EU RMA contractors are just bad people.
I have just bought x13 with 5900hs. Where does this laptop stand with respect to x13 6900hs? Do I need to return older one for newer model. I will be gaming and using phoroshop
Performance is significant improvement on igpu (2x better with the 6900hs bc RDNA2 vs 5900) , the display is 500nits on the 2022 vs the 300 of your 2021, the 2022 uses ddr5 ram vs ddr4. I work at Best Buy pc department and waited for the 6000 series. If it is still within return period.... It would be worth it IMHO.
@@nayyarrashid4661 Yes I LOVE z13 form factor, it makes even more sense for our need, but its value proposition a bit low for me. Maybe there will be simpler product that fit my value need
I prefer the X13 as I don't find much of a reason to go for a heavy windows tablet that has a worse battery life. The 6000 series CPUs are way powerful enough for me.
The Z13 corners of the screen feel squishy as well as the power button needing to push down hard to turn on.
Don't forget that X13 is cheaper
@@nguyenhai-cr5ks True. The only thing about the Z13 is when attached to eGPU everything feels faster. I have it setup for use as my mobile desktop tablet. Screen is brighter and color is better than the X13 when doing my organic chemistry homework and studying.
i m thinking of buying x13 ryzen 9. but in store i saw screen display quality/resolution not so much good compare to vivobook..
can u plz tell me whether that is for display mis-configuration?
@@chattarajeshan1992 Display misconfiguration? May your clarify? Most stores I see with the Asus X13 available have the FHD 120Hz version. There is the 4k variant with 60Hz screen but it seems harder to find. I find the screen used on the Asus Z13 is a bit more vibrant than the Asus X13. The 2022 version of the X13 has a screen that is brighter than the 2021.
I went for the z13 for the vastly superior cooling setup. Having the hot air being pushed up and away from the machine and never needing a cooling pad makes a huge difference
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Having used the Flow x13, I get a lot of people asking how there is so much performance in such a small form factor. It's very quiet when not gaming. I wanted something that was low profile for every day use for work with good battery, and when I wanna play a demanding game, I can swap to that. Fan control and power settings are important. In battery boost mode, I had it set the CPU to under clock to use less power. Significantly increased battery. I love this thing, -just need to get the Mobile GPU lol.- got it!
Update 6/21/2022 - Flow x16:
Asus Flow x16 just released, and I'm hella tempted to swap to it for the 3070 Ti configuration, but I'm reluctant on it due to the larger footprint and price.
Update 9/6/2022 - Final Decision:
I sized up the Flow x16 at the Microcenter store. @Kiri_36 mentioned it's $1k+ more, so I opted for the XG Mobile 3080 instead, and I think I've got the best portable rig money can buy in 2022. It runs everything and offloads the heat as it sits on my lap, which is a major benefit.
The eGPU is nice but got its quirks. You have to be a bit patient and follow specific instructions for the connector.
How much battery life do you able to crank out of the laptop by reducing its power profile?
@@RidwanGosal Going to the advanced power options in control panel, I set the processor power management to use 20% on battery. It is kinda weird when changing, but what I noticed was the clock speed dropped to 1.20GHz from 2.20GHz idle with chrome open and browsing, with citrix (work) I got about 40 extra minutes out of it.
Oh I see. Thanks for the answer!
I guess it's safe to wait the eGPU until the RTX 4000 series came out, Whether they continue the support for XG Mobile + using the same connector or not.
the Z13 is in my Top 3 favorite tech purchases of all time. im a Surface guy. have Surface Books, Pros, Go, Duos, RT. i was trying to decide between a Surface Pro X and the newest Pro. also had a Steam Deck on order. decided to go with the Z13 to instead of a new Pro AND the Steam Deck. i know this isnt a handheld. but i LOVE it. finally received my Steam Deck about 10 days ago. sold it to someone in Puerto Rico who couldnt get one. im happy and hes happy.
I had the X13 2021 last year. The AMD chip went up really hot unless you put the laptop in a tent mode (not practical while gaming unless you have an external keyboard or controller). For productivity work the battery was good however. I got around 8hrs (No Gaming). I bought the Z13 this year and using it for around a month. It's really good in terms of thermal management. It never went above 82 degrees even using the overclocking for CPU and GPU. And in silent mode the Z13 can give you around 6hrs battery. I am quite happy with this. But beware, it's not a lite tablet, that you can hold for long hours like an iPad.
Did you try to undervolt the CPU and GPU?
It's 3 pounds. Not heavy. Insane how you guys think 3 pounds is heavy
Flow X13 is still my favorite. It was the most interesting device, maybe as interesting as Zephyrus G14
The Asus Z13 is more interesting than the X13. 😉
@@celinek2690 why?
@@fat9457 Small tablet with a dedicated GPU. It does feel faster with intel but battery sucks.
@@celinek2690 battery is not good, why?
@@fat9457 It does not reach the advertised battery life is mainly my experience. I use it as my mobile desktop with the XG Mobile.
i've been used x13 like 1 year, i think this is kind of laptop that ASUS should make in the future. small factor & good performance. the problem is just the paint peeling off if u often use it in hot environment & ASUS should make the trackpad larger in the next gen of this device , the last thing that they need to replace is 2230 type of SSD to 2260/2280 type of SSD in notebook.👌
get a skin for it and use an external mouse
Bro can u tell how’s the battery?
I usually get 6-8hours
3 hours if I game
@@cohenlu9963 I'm confused I thought the z13 has the better battery
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you Matthew, you're the man
You’re very welcome 🙏
Hello again. The same person who asked for a 3d modeling benchmarks list in your videos. Some of the common apps r Auto CAD, solid works, Auto desk 3d max and MATLAB. The reason I'm asking it is that I think there r a lot of engineering students like me who cannot afford workstation laptops so then they'll lean towards gaming laptops. Either way much obliged to u for the effort and reading the comments. Definitely appreciated.
Tnx again
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Depends on what kind of project do you plan to do on it. I would say that if you are a student, your projects are simple, and drawing in CAD software doesn't require a huge amount of vram, so any solid laptop without dedicated graphic card will do. I did my projects in MATLAB and SOLIDWORKS on a laptop that had vega 3, and everything was smooth and fast. Why would you waste money on these things. From my experience I got hyped about asus rog zephyrus g14, when I bought it for me it was huge disappointment. For a expensive laptop I experienced problems that I never experienced with lower end laptops. Stay away from overhyped products, unless you have enough money to waste.
7:00 I’m legitimately shocked they put in a socketed Wi-Fi card for the 2022 x13 (my 2021 model has a soldered Wi-Fi card)!
Great comparison! Thanks especially for the Photoshop/Premiere comparisons. The idea of solid 4K video editing machines with such a small form factors is very compelling. Any thoughts on whether either of these could handle fairly light (under 10 minute videos, 5 layers or less) 8k video editing?
I think getting into 8k video editing you're going to need at least a 3060 for the extra VRAM. You could always get the XG Mobile with either of these two for the 3080 to be able to easily handle 8k editing, but that doubles the price
Well a new model has since launched and now it sports an RTX 4050 :)
I have always noticed that Intel stuff is always expensive than AMD stuff and yeah that is the key point for me
Even though i like the z13 form factor I’m not ready to pay $1899 when I can get almost same form factor for $1599
Efficiency > absolute performance any day of the week. This is why Apple Silicon is such a brilliant architecture - not because it bests the very best components (it doesn’t always), but because it competes using a fraction of the power. It makes both AMD and Intel look power-hungry, but Intel especially even with 12th gen and a 10nm process has a lot of catching up to do. Looking for maximum “frames per second” is useful for desktop comparison but I really like addressing battery life, fan noise, and live-ability with portable devices like these. Good job as always Matt!
I agree AMD is definitely ahead of Intel in terms of power efficiency but they both have a LONG way to go to catch up to Apple. thanks for watching!
The efficiency is a Myth. Anyone who says the M1 is power efficient hasn't looked at any figures.. The M1 max uses well over 100 watts while gaming.
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@@AndrewKennethColborn well it looks like someone follows the "apple bad" mindset
@@MatthewMoniz what about lightroom and davinchi resolve performance? you havent showned them
Great comparison review Matt as always. Concise and succinct. The Asus ROG Flow X13 is now $1799.99 at Best Buy. They raised the price :-/
Idk but all they did was upgrade the OS to V11
Thata some fucked up shit
Is 1500 on eBay now
I got mine for $999 on Black Friday, feels like a steal
@@evelezpumaI was thinking of getting the X -13 is it worth it ? I’m currently trying to program video games and applications
Regarding the USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 Port in X13, Asus has promised, just like their other Ryzen 6000 series Laptops, that it will receive USB 4 update via a Firmware/Drive update. Technically the USB-C port is USB 4 in X13 but right now there is no driver and firmware support for it. That will eliminate some of the advantages Z13 has due to TB 4. What I understand correctly that for being used as a Laptop, X13 is a better buy due to combination of very good performance , keyboard and battery life whereas Z13 can be the best Windows Tablet. If you're really considering it for gaming then the eGPU dock is a must have and I think that $300 savings can be utilized over there, if you go with X13.
I would go for the X13
why ?
@gazzygarcia1636 simple...because it is cheaper than z13
I wish Asus would bring back the Mothership. Now that was a sweet system.
I want Z13 with Ryzen 9 6900HX and no dGPU. As power unrestricted integrated 680m is pretty close to 40W power starved RTX 3050. But not having that extra chip and power delivery leaves much more space inside for other things. Be it more efficient cooling. Bigger battery. Other/Full NVMe. ... (And apparently, gives potential for lighter device.)
Secondly, one can go and buy external GPU box which is what is reasonable use of current Z13 variants.
And then at low power draw side, AMD is currently better than intel, while Intel is better at high power draws. So mobility would be better. And Price? Just subtract price of RTX 3050. It would be winner on so many fronts.
But from latest interview with Robert Hallock where he did talk about design wins, I have feeling that AMD did no score any "Tablet"/"2-in-1" devices and all we can look for are touch enabled devices with 360° rotation.
Same
Matthew: Don't forget to take your vitamins and be well.
I’m well! It was veryyyy minor. Thanks though!
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the zephyrus g14 and the flow x13.
Z13 has more battery and portability than both
Funny thing: X13 with same specs is waiting for unboxing after delivery roughly one hour before - thanks for the video, confirming my decision after many hours of research. Hopefully it will work for 4k video editing on the go. So I will unbox it later and do not send it back for a Z13 :) Maybe later a fat desktop for final editing if the planned project is gaining motion! Thanks again!
Hey, how's it going?
@@AedxnUp to now I used it only for FullHD projects and it works like charm. Exporting to WMV format is slow (2x movie time base) but sufficient. Using 4k stuff during editing works. All with an external Disk (T7) on the USB port with ~300 MByte/s.
Graphics delivers to a 4k external monitor.
1:40 The x13 has a USB A 3.2 gen 2 type C port (10 gigabits per second) whereas the z13 has a USB A 2.0 port because there wasn’t enough room internally for the cable to connect a USB 3.0 port or higher…
Don't forget the z13 run a thunderbolt port 40 gpbs ;) any thunderbolt dock is way better than USB c
@@MeltdownDJ thunderbolt does everything worse. The display output is bottlenecked over displayport, egpu enclosures make a desktop 3080 much slower than the xg mobile, latency is much worse, and read and write speeds on ssds are slowed
@@squishypeanut42 bruh still better than any usb who are 4 times slower ! ^^
@@MeltdownDJ it's not better than usb at anything other than doing multiple things at a time. Usb keyboards will always have less latency than a keyboard plugged into thunderbolt because it has to go through the more advanced system. Having wires just be separate is better or even better than both of those, the xg mobile.
I got the Z13 coming from a Surface Pro 4 ! I must say it's a great device not perfect but i just got BIOS 310 that should solve some problems ... Running games perfectly on 1080p with RTX3050Ti even recent ones...
What's the typing experience like? I have a SP8 and I really like the keyboard.
@@beckinbinderin Equivalent to the SP4 i owned (much better flat on table) ... Not bad but not as good as a full keyboard.
Can you mention the settings and fps for the games you ran?
They bumped up the price on the X13. Luckily, I was able to find an open box one for just under the old price. Its a very nice laptop. Feels great in the hand.
In my area you can get one for 1199
As a car guy, love the sample video when you were talking about the displays! Right on
He forgot the most important difference between the two. The x13 can be spec'd with 32GB if RAM, z13 is 16 max.
It makes sense i mean its kinda a tablet😂🤣
💯💯💯💯
LPDDR5 vs LPDDR4
Thanks for the excellent comparison!
You’re welcome!
Does it Run software like Zbrush, Maya and substance painter smoothly with stylus ? or do we get delay with sculpting strokes ?
also can you add extra GPU with it ?
In conclusion
If ur getting the xg mobile get the z13
If ur just buying the laptop get the x13
Don't forget Z13 has thunderbolt port
Z13 is so compelling but that significantly inferior battery life compared to X13 kind of ruined its most important aspect for being a portable device which logically relies on battery more often.
While Intel CPU is superior in terms of performance this time, I'd still consider AMD is the winner in high performance ultra portable device like this.
I wish there was a standard for the x8 egpu connector or an external enclosure you could put any gpu into that uses the x8 connector
I own 2021 x13. The AMD Chip gets hot very quickly. And battery life is not long as I expected, not gaming is around 3-4hrs with battery charging protection (85% charged).
For me laptop form factor is more flexible than tablet work horse. X13, so far, is still the best choice for me.
The 2022 version has way better battery life
yeah mine can do 9 hours
Thanks for these reviews. Picking up my m16 today.
Let me know how you like it. I have one coming in as well
@@MatthewMoniz posted on r/ZephyrusM16
I feel like the x13 is the wiser choice for me, but the z13 looks just really cool 🤩🙈
Thank you for the research, as an artist I prefer z13
Asus ROG Flow Z13 GZ301 2022 FHD+ Touch 2.5GHz i9-12900H 16GB 1TB RTX
Or
Asus ROG Flow X13 2021 FHD+ Touch 3.3GHz Ryzen 9 5900HS 16GB 1TB SSD
Which one for best ?
I picked up a Flow X13 on a great deal at best buy. I didn't know it had a touch screen or that it folded back when I bought it, but I was amazed when I found out. How do you get 9 hours of usage? I can only get about 2-3 hours. Please reply. Edit: 2-3 hours surfing the web.
Check your power settings. You can play with the settings to get you comfortable with performance and to save battery.
you sure it's the 2022 model? Seems like you've got the 2021 with Ryzen 5000
@@flaypl I just checked. Yep. It is the old model. Oh well. It lasted a 3 hour flight and still had 60%, but I had it on battery saver. Thank you for your reply!
@@liamrussell996 happy to help :) It's still an awesome machine that I'm thinking about buying. There's a bundle sold in my country of x13 5980HS 1650 together with the external 3080 GPU for around $2000. But that's kinda a lot by Poland's standards and I don't think I can afford it unfortunately :) Hope yours servers you well though.
@@flaypl did you ever get it o0
Could the Z13 be used in a school environment to write on with a Pen? And how does that feel?
x13 is what I have! been using since last september daily for both 3d modeling and gaming! It has yet to disappoint!
how is the gaming performance with the Egpu? is able to run at 2k in ultra settings for recent games like cyberpunk?
I am pretty sure your laptop is an potato laptop kid
@@andresdigi25 wtf dude, hes having that PC not talking about EGPU
@@andresdigi25 no itl run at 1080p on the gpu, I run Elden Ring at 1080 60fps too. Its not going to rival bigger, more expensive laptops, but its got really solid build quality, runs games at decent settings(you can play pretty much any indie game at 2k), and its extremely compact. It also works with the surface pen so if you do any digital art its pretty nice.
@@xf730 how so? its ran perfect for what I need it to do. I can play games at decent settings, it is so small you can take it anywhere, and it works in 3d software very well and allows me to make more money than you. I wouldn't call it a potato kid.
日本語で失礼します。
日本でもASUS Flowシリーズが販売されているのですが、あなたのような視点で比較している
youtuberがあまりいないためとても参考になりました。
バッテリー問題はノートPCの宿命であり、そこに着眼することはとても良いことだと思います。
自宅メインＰＣはすでにあり、あくまでサブで外に持ち運びすることを考えて1gでも軽くしたいと思っていました。
X13も検討したいと思います。
お役に立てて嬉しいです！あなたがそれを買うかどうか、そしてあなたがそれをどのように好きかを私に知らせてください。また、日本にはハイテクUA-camrがこれ以上いないことに驚いています。
I'd like to know how it's like to take notes using the touchscreen and a pen on both devices
I'm getting the Z13 when they launch, on the 16th.
just some advice from someone with the z13... dont expect it to last more than 2 years if it can even make it that long so consider that when you are about to buy it new at over 1k price point, go get a ipad or hp laptop instead those have not let me down.
The best review, congrats man !!!
Is the z13 or the x13 better for school work and a little bit of gaming?
waiting on my x13! thank you!
Already have the x13 and it is amazing 🤘🏻
I'm a student, so I really want that tablet feeling. But 90% of the comments say that the X13 is the better choice. Is there any other student here (or with similar concerns) that tried the Z13 for thoughts? Or decided to go for the X13 and thinks they made the better choice?
Kinda wonder why they didn't make the X13 look as cool 🤔
Which one better for video and photo editing for professional use?
As a filmmaker and graphic designer should I buy a Asus ROG Flow X13 13,4" or
Asus ROG Flow Z13 13,4" or Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 16?? 🤔🙈
I like the form factor the z13 has to offer, but that using only the intel cpu is a big deal for me. how can they market the tablet scenario, when the cpu has almost half the battery life of the Ryzen variant.
I have no problem with the keyboard because I use an external mechanical keyboard anyway (using X13 will be in tent mode or tabletop mode), but I like Z13 scenario better where you can straight remove the keyboard, but still does not justify the cons on battery life and higher price.
also 300$ difference, you could buy X13 + 2TB external SSD + dongle.
I think only get Z13 if you are really depend on that thunderbolt port.
the final thoughts is what this video makes me smile well played
The components, for example the RAM, can be replaced relatively easily with a soldering station. So, it's possible to do some upgrades.
I hope you'll get your hands on the latest Asus Zenbook 14X OLED UX5401and review it. It's been months since it was introduced yet still no handson reviews and price 😔
Dell xps 13 2in1 vs Microsoft surface pro 9 vs Asus rog flow z13
Which one and why?
I got the M16 this year, got a bit (or rather) disappointed with the battery life, which literally sucks. Really looking foward to the X13 getting a RTX3060 or a RX6700S, if there's enough internal space in future models. I could really use some extra VRAM, since Forza Horizon is what I mainly play. Also I hope the screens can get a better response time.
I think the z13 is a bit too heavy for an everyday tablet, what is your opinion Matthew?
Good review Mr. Matthew. I prefer X13 over Z13 any day since it's more value for money option. Also, X13 is future proof since its hardware is under the keyboard just like in any other laptops, whereas the Z13 has all its hardware including the battery under the display which is very risky. If its battery bulges or leaks, the whole hardware is prone to damages along with the battery, then you just have to throw the device away and get yourselves a new device. Also, the Z13 can't be used on your laptop like a normal laptop, you have to place it on a stable surface if you want to use the keyboard. You haven't covered the stylus in your comparison. I'm a student and I use my Galaxy Tab S7 for my note-taking and my laptop for all other windows related stuff which is burdensome if you wanna carry both devices. So, I'm planning to get myself a 2 in 1. I have researched some decent 2 in 1s like Samsung Galaxy Book 2 Pro 360, HP Spectre, MS Surface Pro 9 etc. but they all fall short in some important areas like performance, storage, os, price, stylus. Some devices are exorbitantly priced and some are heavy if you choose a higher specced variant. The X13 seems to be a capable all rounder but I'm not sure how its stylus performs and how optimised its apps are for tablet experience. I wanna know how it performs in apps like MS OneNote, Word, S Notes etc. but unfortunately no one seems to talk or make videos in this aspect.
I'm with the same problem, did you buy a 2 in 1? I'm looking up for the best option.
@@paulamero9120 No, I have a Lenovo Legion 5. But someone I know had a Surface Pro the display of which came apart due to the bulge in the battery in just under three years after which the device was out of warranty and they had no choice but to discard it and get himself a new laptop. He regretted buying a Surface Pro.
Any idea if the rog flow x13 6900hs is good for music production? I mainly use ableton/fl studio with vst such as omnisphere/keyscape/kontakt libary
Great review...love it...a lot of information in just a short video, answer most of my questions related to the different of these two.
At its price, only having a 3050 ti makes it a dealbreaker. The portability doesn't make up for the lack of performance at price point, especially when you consider how heavy it is.
the 3050ti is already a whole lot better than anything out there in this device category, especially when all of them are only using integrated gpu. Of course having a xx60 gpu would be the ultimate but I have not seen any attempt by any manufacturers at making a tablet form computer using any xx60 series gpu or above.
@@kenhew4641 Its a pretty insane premium to pay for a tablet form factor. Its the same price as a 3070 or even 3080 equipped laptop, but you can only run newer releases at 720p/30fps on lowest settings.
That's like steam deck levels of performance for a $2k device.
@@JimIBobIJones ?? You're so wrong it's hilarious
According to the benchmarks, as a motion and graphic designer should i go for the Z13? Is there any other 2in1 laptop like those from Asus Rog and Microsoft Surface?
Dont go for z13 it is basicly a toy. Just see how it looks like. Get way more elegant x13 if you want to make some serious work..
I mean there is the rog mothership but...
ok....I got both models...am a gamer...and the z13 is by far my favorite. Why ?...simple, first laptop that I can play on my lap, bed...without worring about heat management....at last ;-)
👍That is great to hear. I think I am leaning towards the z13 also. I already have a powerful business thinkpad laptop (but no dedicated graphics card) and was looking for a 2nd laptop that had that small form factor just for gaming.
Should I use the Z13 plugged in if I want the full performance?
@@КристиянТрънбашев-ш6г no, performance under battery is good..but personally I plug the device whenever I have a power socket near me….also…power brick is so small….it’s not an issue.
Waiting for the x13 with ryzen 7k. Hoping they go back to the nvidia gpu and the external. I like the simple and clean look of the x13
Can you upgrade the RAM on the Z13 2023 model? I read it has 16GB only, is that soldered? Some sites claim it has 2x SO-DIMM? Please can you clarify this....
Ngl I wanted the Z13 because of the drawing tablet capabilities but X13 can do the same things and is cheaper... Or maybe I'll go for the X16 because of the upgrade potential and the 240hz panel
how is the pen performance of the 13Z compared to the zenbook flip? i read reviews rnqging fron non useable to the same/better
Thanks for your reviewing both laptops, i can choose what is best deal
Does the rear camera have an acceptable quality? 8MP in the spec sheet. Not so high.
thanks for helping me make the choice
I have a old surface Pro 3 and noticed that the price of the z13 has reduced from £1800 to £1400.
Would this discount make the z13 a good choice over a newer surface pro as I like that it imitates the Microsoft surface pro form factor. Thank you for your opinion. Craig
Yes, Z13 is 100% better than the SP
@@yoriex3577Apart from battery life
With your video you have guided me very well. Thanks.
Soldered on memory is a killer for me.
Is the x13 ryzen 7 rtx 3050 enough for architecture programs?? Or should I get the Zhephirus g14 rtx 6700s???
Have a tactil panel is a plus but if the diference is so big I could get the g14 , help please 😓
With current prices I would suggest the Z13 over the X13
Sir have you tried connecting it to external monitor without the XG MOBILE?
So for design and using a stylus which one you think?
Z13
I have a doubt Matthew Moniz
I would like to buy a desktop. Which one is better and what you prefer for me for a programmer ?
Thank you my Friend now i'm sure to take the x13 ! Perfect vidéo 👍
Hey Matthew, do you have any news on whether or not the Z13 will have stylus support?
Both the z13 and x13 have MPP support.
Yup both support stylus
@@cameronbosch1213 MPP?
Both MPP 2.0, which is an older generation protocol.
I bought the Asus Rog scar 17 2022 model. Let me say this, holy shit that thing games like a pro
I'm looking at the z13 for its versatility... If I go for a more standard laptop form then its going to be the m16 duo for me.... Still can't decide
Z13 battery lasts 7 hours on a good day. Usually you would get around 4 hrs. I had one, I returned it and got x13. 10 hours battery life usually. Much better.
like you, I prefer a standalone system with a screen and a detachable keyboard. Never liked those 2in1 with the keyboard folded back, it just looks clunky. If z13 comes with a xx60 gpu I would've bought it rightaway nevermind the cost or at the expense of battery life or weight. Just a standalone sleek solid device with wide angle kickstand like the surface pro
@@Hamox I'm now looking at the x16....lol
does the x13 have a thermal issue/cooling issue?
Any idea if the rog flow x13 6900hs is good for music production? I mainly use ableton/fl studio with vst such as omnisphere/keyscape/kontakt libary
just got the x13. Hook that bad boy up to ar glasses, perfect portable machine'
also I scored the x13 for 700 dollars. ;)
do maya,photoshop and after effects work fine without any issues ?
interesting spec is x13 with integrated graphics because they are comperable to gtx1650 and possible more efficient
I am an Asus ROG G15 (2022 model) owner.
I am trying to RMA that laptop because it has defective iGPU (AMD Radeon 680M inside the AMD Ryzen 7 6800HS CPU made by AsusTek),
and have been definitely REGRETting buying it. (yes continously regretting)
If I see an Asus laptop post in my feed, I feel the need to inform the good people of internet about what they may confront with.
Don't buy from Asus because their products have issues(mostly QA-quality assurance) and their EU RMA contractors are just bad people.
I have just bought x13 with 5900hs. Where does this laptop stand with respect to x13 6900hs? Do I need to return older one for newer model. I will be gaming and using phoroshop
Performance is significant improvement on igpu (2x better with the 6900hs bc RDNA2 vs 5900) , the display is 500nits on the 2022 vs the 300 of your 2021, the 2022 uses ddr5 ram vs ddr4. I work at Best Buy pc department and waited for the 6000 series. If it is still within return period.... It would be worth it IMHO.
Thanks man, I need this
Thanks for the info mate :)
Does it make sense to get the x13 in 2024?
What is the chassis of x13 made out of? Thanks.
"There's a lot of flex to the keyboard"
Non keyboard enthusiasts: "Eww no."
Keyboard enthusiast: "oohhh that sounds really good"
Flow X13 for me, especially the one that only has integrated GPU, since its as powerful as 1650max-q ver from 2021
Sort of similar thinking but I like the Z13 from factor better and tb4 support. I wish AMD model had it too.
@@nayyarrashid4661 Yes I LOVE z13 form factor, it makes even more sense for our need, but its value proposition a bit low for me. Maybe there will be simpler product that fit my value need
Is graphic card of gtx1650 upgradable to rtx3050??
Which is the windows theme you have there? Tnx!
Can we use a pen on these?
since they have the same screens, what is the response time like? more then anything I'm off put by the response time I'm reading of 30ms