Oh, Anna! Get well soon, girl!! As to your question concerning Lizzie. Yes, in the books Lizzie and Brianna get quite close on the sea passage to the US. I wouldn't say they become friends, as book-Lizzie is a good deal younger than Brianna. In fact, Lizzie gets her period for the first time when they are already on Fraser's Ridge. And Lizzie travels as Brianna's maid, not as an equal. But they really care for each other and look after each other, and by travelling with Lizzie Brianna learns a lot about some costums of the 18th century.
I've just returned from the hospital after my 4th seizure in 5 months (one of the few people, it seems, where it's nothing COVID related), so was glad to find something to watch to cheer me up (maaaaybe not the best episode for that...) - and here you are in the same boat! Sending you heal-y vibes from the antipodes, Anna. Glad to hear you managed to avoid a more dire outcome, appendicitis is scary.
Anna, please concentrate on feeling better. Our community needs your great reactions going forward, so please get well. ...but... of all the season 4 episodes, this was the one I wanted to see you watch the most! ...and... at the end of this fantastic reaction... a super special moment we so rarely get... A Speechless Anna! ...and... a tangled up web of misunderstandings and consequences that leave Bree, Jamie, Lizzy, Roger, Clare and Stephen Friggin Bonnett bound together in the ultimate "all sorts of wrong" - "I hate it, but it's GOOD" chaos ...but... at least they're found... sort of!
Hope you have a speedy recovery! Enjoy your reactions! In real life, the guy who plays Stephen Bonnet is a good guy. He's a married family man with kids.
In the book, they met while Jamie was having a pish but it was in Cross Creek and Claire wasn't there. Jamie was defending Fergus against charges of assaulting a tax collector (he was innocent; it was Marsali who did the assaulting) and he took Bree back to the Ridge with him. The first thing Bree said to Claire at the cabin was, "You never expect the Spanish Inquisition" which made my geek heart well with pride. Steven Bonnet, the gift that keeps on giving, like a recurring fungal infection. Roger didn't bother bargaining with Bonnet in the book. He stole the gems from Bonnet. I love that man for that. In the book, Jamie helps Bree understand that she couldn't have stopped the rape even if she had fought back harder. His past with Black Jack gives him a perspective that most men wouldn't have in this time period. THIS is the reason why I STILL don't like Lizzie. Poor Roger. It's been years since I read the story and I'm still holding a grudge. Roger didn't deserve ANY of what happened to him. Oh, and I hold more than a little hard feelings for Jamie beating Roger without even bothering to hear his side of it. I'm glad Bree didn't tell Claire about the baby because I LOVE that kid. And the joy that that kid bring Jamie...I'm tearing up right now. Jamie didn't get to see his own kids grow up but he gets to see his grandchild grow up and it makes my heart glad.
Glad you're starting to feel better. I enjoy listening to you call the cast pumpkin, honey, sweety etc...then you start giving them advice. I do the same thing. Isn't it funny. We know they can't hear us. Lol😄 Sometimes l yell at the tv too! Other times Outlander takes me by surprise & l just sit here speechless & keep watching. I've watched the same episode 2 or 3 times on the nite it airs. Yes, l have time for that....l'm retired. Until next time, take care of yourself.
I love how you just hated where the story was going and then you exactly see why and declare "This is what I call GOOD conflict". Maybe my favorite episode in the entire series so far. It's gets a 10 for the happy feels and 10 for the drama and 10 for the tragedy. I kinda wish it was two episodes, but they did put it together quite well.
Or Jaime assumes he did anyway, but he doesn't show up at Lollybroch for 20 years, so it's a safe assumption. Would be funny if Diana decided to bring him back in the books much later on.
@@Gwenhwyfar7 ive read al the books so far and theres no trace of him so far. But i guess there could be a chance. Without knowing how or why, Jamie realizes, when he regains consciousness on the battlefield at Culloden, that Murtagh must be dead. Twenty years later, when Claire has returned to him, Jamie tells her about how he found Murtagh, near death, though the man had enough strength left to say to Jamie, "Dinna be afraid, a bhalaich. It doesna hurt a bit to die.
Hope you get well soon! There is indeed a lot more heart attacks and strokes going on lately, and there are so many studies showing it could be linked to either or both covid and various preventatives. Just last week a friend of mine died at 38 of a heart attack and last year my 50 year old very healthy aunt had a stroke and fell and hit her head so she had to quit her job. I'm getting a stress test tomorrow morning because I have dealt with arthritis and other spinal issues for years and it's spread to my chest area and I am making sure it's just my bones and not a heart issue.
So, appendicitis. It's your private information, but you opened the door. Did they do surgery and take it out? Do you gots a owie? 😢(Every now and then they just fill you up with antibiotics to make it go away. If it comes back, THEN they take it out.) Lean over here and let me give you a pat pat. That makes it better some, no?❤🩹How 'bout some flowers to make you feel more chipper? 💮🏵🌼🌷🌸 Thank you for taking time out of your recovery to entertain us. I wish they just had Bree introduce herself as "Brianna", let Jamie figure out how many Briannas might be in the world searching for him. It would have been an interesting study in facial expressions. 🙃
You must have really amazing will power to wait before watching the next episodes!! Especially ones like this. lol! ...anyway, yes, rest, and I hope you're feeling back to 100% soon!
Yes! Jamie was her punching bag for so long and then she transferred all that to Roger unfortunately. Diana has stated that she likes to tear her characters down as low as they can go and see how they are able to recover. She speaks of them as though they have minds of their own and frequently do things that she didn't intend.
If they did use a picture for a backdrop it is real. I've driven up grandfather mountain... There's a newer highway that goes around it but I went up the old one because I was curious and it was really beautiful. I also have pictures of The Blue Ridge Mountains off of Blue Parkway and also from the Tennessee gap on the other side.
Oh, Anna! I hope you're feeling better really soon! Unfortunately this part of the story runs on miscommunication. Every time I think that Bree was stupid to never mention that Roger's real last name is MacKenzie (in the book Lizzie knows that the man she thinks attacked Bree is called MacKenzie. No idea why they left that important point out of the show), but then I realize that there wouldn't be the 2nd half of the book if she had. 🙅♀
I'm glad you are doing better! Take care of yourself! You are right that you are hard-pressed to find a character in Outlander than HASN'T been sexually assaulted. It's never mentioned in the show or in the main books, but Lord John was raped a few weeks after Culloden, whilst he was grieving his lover, Hector. (It's mentioned in his spin-off novellas.) Someone sneaked into his tent, held him down, finished, then left. He had no idea who it was. From then on he slept with a knife under his pillow. I think that particular rape arguably makes more sense than all of the other sexual assaults in the show/books because it's very dangerous to be gay in any century. Brianna being pregnant is the reason for the shifting tone of the last episode. Roger and Bonnet were several days apart in the book, but the end result is the same. There was no way to be sure who was the father. Between poor little Lizzie getting malaria, the hand-fast, sex, then argument with Roger, and Bonnet raping her, Brianna was very focused on trying to find Jamie and wanted to just pretend that the horrible things that happened leading up to it didn't happen, and for a short time was able to just revel in the joy of finding her parents. I feel like the shifting tone of that episode is a pretty good metaphor for how Brianna feels right now. The joy and love of being with Roger and finding her parents is juxtaposed with the pain of being raped and the uncertainty of the baby's father. It's a very complicated time. This is my least favorite storyline in the whole series. I hate dramatic irony (when the audience knows more than the characters because they don't communicate. It's why I hated the show, LOST.). I get that misunderstandings happen in real life, and they can have very devastating consequences, even cause full-on wars, but I just find it endlessly frustrating that it all could have been prevented if they had just communicated. By the way, I think over the few years that they have been reunited, Jamie and Claire have spent a lot of times filling each other in on things that happened in their 20-year separation. The books have several instances of her telling him stories of Brianna's childhood. So I'm sure Claire mentioned to Jamie at some point that she figured out that Roger, the historian who helped her find Jamie, was descended from Dougal and Geillis' bastard, so Roger is Jamie's 1st cousin 6 times removed or something like that. But it's not really important at the moment.
I have to admit that in this whole series I have been uncomfortable with the ammount of sexual assault. Especially in this one main family characters. I enjoy period dramas like this, and one or two SA events can happen in some stories. This seems weird. It is weird that the author wanted the family to be full of this. The odds of this are slim to none, yet they always experience it. It is then always expanded upon which is even weirder. It makes me uncomfortable
Oh, Anna! Get well soon, girl!! As to your question concerning Lizzie. Yes, in the books Lizzie and Brianna get quite close on the sea passage to the US. I wouldn't say they become friends, as book-Lizzie is a good deal younger than Brianna. In fact, Lizzie gets her period for the first time when they are already on Fraser's Ridge. And Lizzie travels as Brianna's maid, not as an equal. But they really care for each other and look after each other, and by travelling with Lizzie Brianna learns a lot about some costums of the 18th century.
Get well! To answer: the view of the Ridge is green screened. If you look at the river, the water is not moving, so yes, it's a picture.
I've just returned from the hospital after my 4th seizure in 5 months (one of the few people, it seems, where it's nothing COVID related), so was glad to find something to watch to cheer me up (maaaaybe not the best episode for that...) - and here you are in the same boat! Sending you heal-y vibes from the antipodes, Anna. Glad to hear you managed to avoid a more dire outcome, appendicitis is scary.
Anna, please concentrate on feeling better. Our community needs your great reactions going forward, so please get well. ...but... of all the season 4 episodes, this was the one I wanted to see you watch the most! ...and... at the end of this fantastic reaction... a super special moment we so rarely get... A Speechless Anna! ...and... a tangled up web of misunderstandings and consequences that leave Bree, Jamie, Lizzy, Roger, Clare and Stephen Friggin Bonnett bound together in the ultimate "all sorts of wrong" - "I hate it, but it's GOOD" chaos ...but... at least they're found... sort of!
Hope you have a speedy recovery! Enjoy your reactions! In real life, the guy who plays Stephen Bonnet is a good guy. He's a married family man with kids.
Oh no Anna! So sorry you went through all that. I'm glad you're feeling better! "I hate it but it's good!" haha right?! It's a crazy one.
In the book, they met while Jamie was having a pish but it was in Cross Creek and Claire wasn't there. Jamie was defending Fergus against charges of assaulting a tax collector (he was innocent; it was Marsali who did the assaulting) and he took Bree back to the Ridge with him. The first thing Bree said to Claire at the cabin was, "You never expect the Spanish Inquisition" which made my geek heart well with pride.
Steven Bonnet, the gift that keeps on giving, like a recurring fungal infection.
Roger didn't bother bargaining with Bonnet in the book. He stole the gems from Bonnet. I love that man for that.
In the book, Jamie helps Bree understand that she couldn't have stopped the rape even if she had fought back harder. His past with Black Jack gives him a perspective that most men wouldn't have in this time period.
THIS is the reason why I STILL don't like Lizzie. Poor Roger. It's been years since I read the story and I'm still holding a grudge. Roger didn't deserve ANY of what happened to him. Oh, and I hold more than a little hard feelings for Jamie beating Roger without even bothering to hear his side of it.
I'm glad Bree didn't tell Claire about the baby because I LOVE that kid. And the joy that that kid bring Jamie...I'm tearing up right now. Jamie didn't get to see his own kids grow up but he gets to see his grandchild grow up and it makes my heart glad.
Feel better soon, all the best wishes
I have no idea what the symptoms of appendicitis so thank you for bringing it up. I’m glad you’re feeling better.
They're lower abdominal pain, fever, headache, nausea, diarrhea, constipation. I had none of those.
Glad you're starting to feel better. I enjoy listening to you call the cast pumpkin, honey, sweety etc...then you start giving them advice. I do the same thing. Isn't it funny. We know they can't hear us. Lol😄 Sometimes l yell at the tv too! Other times Outlander takes me by surprise & l just sit here speechless & keep watching. I've watched the same episode 2 or 3 times on the nite it airs. Yes, l have time for that....l'm retired. Until next time, take care of yourself.
Pumpkin is my favorite.... Just the way it rolls off her tongue so subconsciously 🥰
Another good episode. I like this part of season 4. I like the roger and brianna stuff a lot.
I love how you just hated where the story was going and then you exactly see why and declare "This is what I call GOOD conflict". Maybe my favorite episode in the entire series so far. It's gets a 10 for the happy feels and 10 for the drama and 10 for the tragedy. I kinda wish it was two episodes, but they did put it together quite well.
In the books Murtagh died at Culladen.
Or Jaime assumes he did anyway, but he doesn't show up at Lollybroch for 20 years, so it's a safe assumption. Would be funny if Diana decided to bring him back in the books much later on.
@@Gwenhwyfar7 ive read al the books so far and theres no trace of him so far.
But i guess there could be a chance.
Without knowing how or why, Jamie realizes, when he regains consciousness on the battlefield at Culloden, that Murtagh must be dead.
Twenty years later, when Claire has returned to him, Jamie tells her about how he found Murtagh, near death, though the man had enough strength left to say to Jamie, "Dinna be afraid, a bhalaich. It doesna hurt a bit to die.
So glad you're ok now, Anna! Love your reactions! :)
Hope you get well soon! There is indeed a lot more heart attacks and strokes going on lately, and there are so many studies showing it could be linked to either or both covid and various preventatives. Just last week a friend of mine died at 38 of a heart attack and last year my 50 year old very healthy aunt had a stroke and fell and hit her head so she had to quit her job. I'm getting a stress test tomorrow morning because I have dealt with arthritis and other spinal issues for years and it's spread to my chest area and I am making sure it's just my bones and not a heart issue.
Good luck!
You look good, for how terrible I know you feel! It's good to see you! 🥰
So, appendicitis. It's your private information, but you opened the door. Did they do surgery and take it out? Do you gots a owie? 😢(Every now and then they just fill you up with antibiotics to make it go away. If it comes back, THEN they take it out.)
Lean over here and let me give you a pat pat. That makes it better some, no?❤🩹How 'bout some flowers to make you feel more chipper? 💮🏵🌼🌷🌸 Thank you for taking time out of your recovery to entertain us.
I wish they just had Bree introduce herself as "Brianna", let Jamie figure out how many Briannas might be in the world searching for him. It would have been an interesting study in facial expressions. 🙃
You must have really amazing will power to wait before watching the next episodes!! Especially ones like this. lol! ...anyway, yes, rest, and I hope you're feeling back to 100% soon!
Feel better soon. I know you probably can’t believe it but it gets much better than this.
Diana Gabaldon certainly punishes her character. Roger doesn’t get sexually assaulted but he suffers.
Yes! Jamie was her punching bag for so long and then she transferred all that to Roger unfortunately. Diana has stated that she likes to tear her characters down as low as they can go and see how they are able to recover. She speaks of them as though they have minds of their own and frequently do things that she didn't intend.
If they did use a picture for a backdrop it is real. I've driven up grandfather mountain... There's a newer highway that goes around it but I went up the old one because I was curious and it was really beautiful. I also have pictures of The Blue Ridge Mountains off of Blue Parkway and also from the Tennessee gap on the other side.
Oh, Anna! I hope you're feeling better really soon! Unfortunately this part of the story runs on miscommunication. Every time I think that Bree was stupid to never mention that Roger's real last name is MacKenzie (in the book Lizzie knows that the man she thinks attacked Bree is called MacKenzie. No idea why they left that important point out of the show), but then I realize that there wouldn't be the 2nd half of the book if she had. 🙅♀
I'm glad you are doing better! Take care of yourself!
You are right that you are hard-pressed to find a character in Outlander than HASN'T been sexually assaulted. It's never mentioned in the show or in the main books, but Lord John was raped a few weeks after Culloden, whilst he was grieving his lover, Hector. (It's mentioned in his spin-off novellas.) Someone sneaked into his tent, held him down, finished, then left. He had no idea who it was. From then on he slept with a knife under his pillow. I think that particular rape arguably makes more sense than all of the other sexual assaults in the show/books because it's very dangerous to be gay in any century.
Brianna being pregnant is the reason for the shifting tone of the last episode. Roger and Bonnet were several days apart in the book, but the end result is the same. There was no way to be sure who was the father. Between poor little Lizzie getting malaria, the hand-fast, sex, then argument with Roger, and Bonnet raping her, Brianna was very focused on trying to find Jamie and wanted to just pretend that the horrible things that happened leading up to it didn't happen, and for a short time was able to just revel in the joy of finding her parents. I feel like the shifting tone of that episode is a pretty good metaphor for how Brianna feels right now. The joy and love of being with Roger and finding her parents is juxtaposed with the pain of being raped and the uncertainty of the baby's father. It's a very complicated time.
This is my least favorite storyline in the whole series. I hate dramatic irony (when the audience knows more than the characters because they don't communicate. It's why I hated the show, LOST.). I get that misunderstandings happen in real life, and they can have very devastating consequences, even cause full-on wars, but I just find it endlessly frustrating that it all could have been prevented if they had just communicated. By the way, I think over the few years that they have been reunited, Jamie and Claire have spent a lot of times filling each other in on things that happened in their 20-year separation. The books have several instances of her telling him stories of Brianna's childhood. So I'm sure Claire mentioned to Jamie at some point that she figured out that Roger, the historian who helped her find Jamie, was descended from Dougal and Geillis' bastard, so Roger is Jamie's 1st cousin 6 times removed or something like that. But it's not really important at the moment.
I have to admit that in this whole series I have been uncomfortable with the ammount of sexual assault. Especially in this one main family characters. I enjoy period dramas like this, and one or two SA events can happen in some stories. This seems weird. It is weird that the author wanted the family to be full of this. The odds of this are slim to none, yet they always experience it. It is then always expanded upon which is even weirder. It makes me uncomfortable
we should have warned you that you really needed alcohol before watching this episode! Sorry!
You're really drinking the covid Kool aid huh?