High Pressure Battle LJ Torana Vs XY GTHO Falcon
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2021
- Watch as this LJ Torana terrorises a XY GTHO Falcon around the circuit. Both cars with strengths and weaknesses make this an incredible battle.
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V8 super cars pay attention to this type of racing bloody spectacular, two drivers at ten tenths giving each other room to race .No telemetry No in car adjustable sway bars No paddle shift No sequential box.,AND no computers just race what you bring. JUST 100%MAGNIFICENT RACING.
Um, thats how it started. Production cars racing on sunday, selling on monday
I bet you drive something with a TV screen smack bang in the middle of the dash, with parking sensors , reverse camera and all the garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grate video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@markaylott1780 It may have started like that, but it's long gone...
@@darryllspalding5211
Hahaha , sooo correct , I had a GT shaker in the 70’s, about 6 years ago a fella took me for a mad run in one again.
It was bloody awful, wandering all about the road at speed, all the door tops vibrating, the bonnet looked like it was gunna fly off, the noise was deafening. My how things have improved.
I like my new daily driver, Ford Ranger thanks.
Run watchya brung, and hope you brought enough!
Real racing in real cars. Excellent effort by both drivers showcasing the strengths of both cars.
Pity Australia doesn’t build cars like this anymore, brilliant, history gone with the stroke of a pen.
The young millennials would struggle to drive them.....no ECU....abs.....manual gear box....😱🤣👌
I feel ya its heart breaking. Nowadays the only things like this at all are shitty bmws and mercs. I was born in the wrong century.
Have a Lexus IS250 but love my old red 73 LJ GTR XU-1much more, that's tucked away in my garage. Only take her out for car shows. The baby still turns heads.
@@MrWeareone777
Just put yr address up please I’d like to see this torana ;-)
@@justdoesntaddup8620 DON'T do it 777
Should be more old school racing like this 👍
Check out Muscle Car Masters .
@@308V8HZ yes, they are excellent 👍
As much as I'm a ford guy, its great to see that little torrie on the XY's arse! So much better then the V8's supercar's!
I guarantee you that those two blokes, irrespective of who finished in front, had the damn best day out. The best sedan racing I have seen in years. V8 Supercars? Fergetaboutit!
Absolutely awesome old-school racing. This short clip had me transfixed from go to whoa.
This is what I want to see: not dead boring 'Supercars' or FarceOne.
I can only imagine the calibre of cars that we could have had if the rules were Australian built, factory standard with control tyres, roll cage and harnesses. Bathurst would have been a totally different animal, especially with the rules considering buying price of the vehicles. Now that'd be real racing as it used to be.
There would be nothing on track now LOL
the calibre of car could have been even faster if the skyline wasnt banned, awd commos and falcons with turbos and active rear steering, instead we got a mang mang
Way better than watching boring new Supercars racing.👍
1:56 had me sweating bullets for the GTHO
Yeah he almost ate that wall
No mate bloody best car ever made not like these electronic Falcons today if they get one little block sensor they don't work like Holdens and everything aloda of rubbish used the love watching Bathurst the battle between Holden and Ford was unbelievably exciting r i p Falcon Rust In Peace Holden🇦🇺👍😉
@@Bok2022st Yep !!! If I think my 78 HZ Premier don't sound right I lift the bonnet and there's the problem looking right at me . No technicians for me ! I have blue oval blood and inherited this car from my dad .
Having circulated wakefield park on my motorcycle, with off camber ,decreasing radius turns and not very wide, keeping that XY on the track must have been a job and a half!
Yeh you can tell the car is setup mint
awesome battle. Falcon had the power, Torana had the handling. The Falcon did look like it was working harder though.
for sure, falcon only wins this battle with a hard drive
Falcon's heavier too, isn't it? More work to get it round turns but the power compensates. Torana really put the pressure to it though
@@Red_Beard2798 and longer wheel base (less g's before you break traction)
@@bigcazza5260 that Torana was working it's ass off through the corners and hard under brakes to stay in the race. Incredible battle though. It's so good to see drivers head to head giving one another the room to race
@@_jamesrose im a ford fan, i have 3 au falcons, same driver running lap trials my money is gunna be on the torana 9/10 times
Great racing!!!! By both drivers didn’t trade paint and left each other out to dry!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The true racing, real cars and drivers. None of this specially made race cars with more tech than NASA
Pretty much how I remember Oran Park 1972...... Only different tyres back then ....Colin Bond won that day in his XU1..... Moffats mighty Trans Am Mustang won the Sports sedan of cause....yes we want more of this..... Wakefield Park is the best spectator track and nice and technical for the drivers......I never miss the Super Bike action there.....bring on 2022
Fantastic driving there in the Torana !
Looks just like 1973 at Calder with Moffat in HO XY Falcon dicing with Brocky in the XU-1. How good are those two completely different cars competing nose to tail! Moffat won the championship that year. The Supercars, I have tried to love them but, and it hurts me to say this, have no soul.
What a sad old man.
@@NoTaboos = no brains 😂
@@chriswhite5846 Still in the primary school playground?
Aand who won that battle?
@@NoTaboos What a sad old man?
Epic battle, nice clean hard racing from 2 Aussie icons 👌 👏
The smell, the sound. Those are real cars, and that's real racing, folks.
Yep, no sequential gearboxes, just good old manual, if you miss the gear or drop your clutch too early you would loose a few places in the race.
I love this sort of racing.
I never watched Brock and Moffat going hammer and tongs, but this is the next best. Bring back the good ol days of old. Could've watched this all day long and not be bored. This race had small, medium and large car's. Show me more!
lmao that GTHO understeer!
great vid.. always awesome to see battles like this. the mini vs mustang.. jordans civic vs commodore (or anythin for that matter!)..and this are must watches!
I didn’t see understeer as much as more mass (vs Torana) limiting its transitional speed.
I'm a Ford man through and through but if the XU1's suspension was dialed in properly it would spoke the XY GT.Full respect to them both.Man they have big balls
classic racing as it should be just great.
Nice old school racing ❤️
Absolute ledgends ... Both the cars and the drivers. I could watch this all day. 👍
I love that in the background there's a couple of Minis mixing it up.
Just an awesome display of real racing and the great competition between Ford and Holden 🤙🏻
Couldn't agree more!
Takes me back to the late 60s early 70s at Warwick Farm. This was just so good. I love the GTHO save at the end. Modern racing is massively engineered. Fancy gearboxes, downforce etc . It will be interesting to see how the young WRC rally drivers go in 2022 without centre diffs and paddle shift.
Still manufacturer oriented, hideously expensive, and will belong to them without any chance for privateers. That's the FIA plan for most motorsports these days.
Lost me with AWD, if they were serious, they would have 2WD, and which end drive you want, not another FWD only failure.
Imagine a spec spacframe, manufacturers can run whatever production based, restricted 1.6T engine and 5 speed they want, and put whatever fiberglass shell over the top that is identical to the mass production car it represents. This opens the door for privateers to have an equal footing, and it will never happen because that's exactly what the FIA/Manufacturers don't want to happen, like it used to in the 70s and 80s. AWD fucked that.
@@markmark5269 Interesting, good points. I noticed as soon as guys got the early 4WD turbo cars the participation at a club level started to decline to the sad state it is today. The cost is prohibitive. I’m speaking about rally here in NZ, does that carry over to Australia (where I assume you’re commenting from)?
Even at circuit meets like F5000 there’s bugger all spectators.
@@markmark5269 We had a go at entry level control series rallying with Gemini series and Excel series and both were quite popular but everyone gets a hard on over the more exotic and expensive stuff so you'd need to consider something like what you are talking about. Interestingly the driving skill levels in these lower level control series can be massively high.
I grew up going to Warwick Farm, Oran Park, Amaroo Park to watch Moffat, Bond, Brock and co. The huge crowds, the intense racing! Today's pretend supercars are nothing in comparison. I will never ever forget the epic Moffat vs Jane, Beechey, etc. for the ATCC. Bathurst was an absolute MUST every year. So many great characters, so many great cars. I am so thankful I got to live through that period.
It's one of the best periods in racing! Unfortunately we've lost some of the tracks, the great cars are worth too much and of course times have changed.
There's still some great racing across categories like IPRA and Sports Sedans to keep us entertained with cool cars though.
Simply awesome!!!
DAMMIT THEM BOYS CAN DRIVE HELL YEAH!!!!
Great little fight there
If the main straight was a bit shorter, the Falcon would never get in front. Great track, great cars, great to see two icons still battling it out. Many thanks for sharing.
Great battle! That LJ must have had some decent hp, it had no trouble keeping up out of corners and only just got caught at the end of the straight.
I'd be quite happy with either in my garage, bloody moist to have both!
This is the most fun battle I’ve seen in motorsport, racing and pushing each other to the absolute limits
A HO and an LJ!!!
It just doesn't get any better than this. This is racing!
Oh yeah, we've got to agree!
I had the GS XY same colour vermilion fire back in the day
I don't remember the old girl cornering that hard.
Still have the photos wish I kept the car
I owned an XT-GT , XY-GT Shaker,
HX-GTS a phase III GTHO a Z900 Kawasaki and an LJ XU-1, (some I bought damaged and fixed up) around two million dollars worth of vehicles in todays money.
I worked out through the buying and selling over the years it all cost me nothing for all that fun , , repaired and sold for a profit , , ,
But if I kept them all , I could sell today for up around $1,600,000 - 2 million.
Arrrhh well, what’s a million or so missed over a lifetime.
Because you did have the HO handling options
Would rather watch this than the current shit on TV
I could watch this all day, I Love Real Cars
Ah takes me back to the good old days, fanging around in XWs, XYs, Valiant Regals, HQ Belmonts, flat out swaying like a big whale around corners, shitty brakes and no such thing as ABS or stability control, funny thing is way less of us got killed back then because you learned to actually drive the car and know when it was going to break loose and then know how to deal with it when it did.
We had some truly beautiful cars on the road in our history. Unfortunate we don't get the same experience now!
Yeah, nope, that's not true. In fact, between 69 - 75 road deaths in OZ were north of 3.6k per year compared to 2023 which saw an increase of 7% on 22 with 1.2k. and the population has increased by 10 mil to add to the equation.
@@WascallyWabbitt Yeah generally road rules, road conditions, and policing are a lot better now than they were then, drink driving is seen as being way less acceptable than it was back then, and modern cars are designed to be much more survivable in the event of a crash than they were 30 or 40 years ago. But I still maintain that those of us who grew up learning to drive in the 70's in heavy cars with no ABS, no traction control, far less stable suspension, and relatively poor performing drum brakes, learned to be a lot more in tune with what a car was doing and then how to react correctly to regain or keep control in a given situation, in modern cars this is all done automatically by the cars systems not by the driver. I guess I'm not talking about the road toll in general just a certain aspect of it, if that makes sense.
thank you for not spoiling it with commentary and music
what a great drive by both 👏
Now THAT is racing! Great job by both drivers.
Ahh!,….the good old days when racing was interesting!! 👌🏻
Pete ( Ian ) Geoghan 1969 September meeting at Sandown 6 hour I think. Moffat & him were teammates. Pete lap after lap would literally park his Factory Mk 111 on Moffat’s bumper. The guy was a natural talent but a little big to ft in an open Wheeler. Rules back then , what rules, the occasional punch up in the paddock or a very lively discussion. Great Racing though.
Love the Lj’s
Torana inline six? Nice battle!
LJ Torana 202ci. inline 6
@@toda304 It was a lot of work for v8. Here in Brazil we have 230, 250, 268 and 292 ci, I love the straight six!
@@AleROAZ V8 351ci had a hard time , GM straight six very good ,good old days .
308 Tory me thinks V8 power!!
Loved it. Thanks for the memory.
I just went all timey Wimey back to the 70s
Bloody rippa of a battle!! 😀😀
The Falcon had more acceleration but the Torana would catch him at the corners!
Pushing haaaaard…awesome!!
Just like 1972. The big power falcon killing tyres and brakes and the nimble Torana getting the inside. This category will be the end of v8 supercars. This is what we want to see 👀 👏 🙌 😍
That was Moffat's genius.... being easy on the tyres
Awesome awesome footage….2 classic iconic machines with obviously 2 great drivers. I could watch that all day long👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
The LJ would still win even if they had 1970's running gear,. these monsters with all the new suspension and performance upgrades, just shows you how good the little 6 really is. :) Go Holden.
those triple carby torana’s were just rocket ships
@@EnVyRe4per My mate had a yellow two door Lj, motor was built ,but had a 650 holly on it and 3 speed manual gear, all he had to do is put a 4 speed and tripple SU's and even without all that the thing was massive quick, meaning V8's forget it, back then which was around 1983 and we went down to lygon st, beat every single v8 car even us mustangs etc etc. she was timed at 12 seconds at the 1/4, with around 350hp at the rear tyres. Also was tuned back then a dany performance. 🦘🦘✌✌👍👍
Just like it used to be - the Toranas embarrassed the Falcon - all that power and no good on the corners. Bond and Brock made them a legend.
Just a few years later bond drove the 2 hardtop in the 1 - 2 finish at Bathurst, even with no brakes and a broken control suspension arm the toranas couldn’t catch them.
By the way , no embarrassment being hounded by a Torana, they were ALL good cars.
What do you expect from a massive 4 door ? The Toranas aren’t great either, they still don’t handle good, at least with all the weight and power you can kick the rear out which is basically exactly what you need to do on low grip high power touring cars, it’s the same reason the Skyline dominated everything, it was heavy and powerful. It’s not the car either, Holden has almost always had better drivers but Ford knows how to build one hell of a machine, it’s the exact same with the 1976 season of F1 where James Hunt had a much worse Mclaren M23 than the Ferrari 312T2 but because he found his feet while Lauda sat in hospital, he won due to “ big balls “ and incredible driving, both were absolute unbeatable drivers but he managed to overcome his shit car
Have a look at the tyre sizes on them. The Falcon is way under tyred, it looks like it was running on bicycle rims - it actually sat flatter on corners, there was just no bloody contact patch.
Ford Aus fixed that with the big guards on the next gen XA/XB/XC hardtops, but the damage was already done to their horsepower.
Another stupid comment comparing apples to oranges. Why can't you just enjoy Australian motoring instead of nit-picking.
Hahaha , I think the troll bot turned up.
torana weighed about same as falcon diff, falcon was a car to be proud off
proud off?
@@NoTaboos wtf are you here for to rag everybody enjoy driving your Kia clown 😂
just imagine if Chrysler Australia got off their arses and fitted those 340 v8 's into the chargers earlier instead off the hemi sixes and raced them completely prior to the supercar scare
You cant have much more fun than that.
Fantastic racing. Track suited to smaller
More nimbler machine but the big falcon and the forty had a brilliant tight clean race display. Bring back those days….. loves it
Yeah. That's real racing. Awesome clip
Awsome bare bones racing, loved it !!!
Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.
Bloody Superb racing by both drivers ol falc eating him on the straights not so in the corners great racing!!!
Thank you!✌💯🧡
It's like watching a colourised 60s race. It is so damn good to see racers, racing so damn good. This is what we need now.
70's
@@gogogeedus 70s what?
@@69VFVAL its a 70's model Torana,lj 1972 ish,and the xw falcon was released in 1970. OK!
Oh I see we're I went wrong. 70s not 60s. My apologies for that. But I do have alot of 60s race footage and I like to watch the way hustle those cars around the tracks of Australia especially tracks like Bathurst. I own 2 vf Val's. 1 is wild blue vf pacer original slant 6 with white stripe treatment and tan interior and the other is a daily driver 440 727 Dana rear. Both are good examples and I get a lot compliments
@@69VFVAL I guess they are on the border between 60's and 70's so I can forgive you :) and you have some cool cars,a mate of mine had a genuine blue 2 door Bathurst pacer with the white stripes down the sides and over the boot,triple webbers and three on the floor,it was a beast,he liked decorating the roads in the area with black rubber stripes.
Wow Great Time's ,, And Thanks For Sharing .
Excellent!
Awesome video, reminds of the good old days at Bathurst.
Amazing racing great driving from both drivers really driving on the edge, what a show what race. Awesome 👍
Straight up racing at finest no bullshit electronics just big old v8z roaring with great drivers behind the wheel what absolute joy to watch...
Only bad thing is we're is the rest if the race...
Great footage at a wonderful little circuit
That was excellent
When race cars were real cars, so good to watch..;)
wow..that was great to see; thankyou
That's some seriously good racing
Both incredible vehicles. True relics.
the Torrie and the GT was such an intense race
(edit: spelling)
Very nice close racing👍
Love this👍
The Torana is one of my childhood dreamcars, i remember back then i used to have a car magazine with everything about the toranas, the slr 5000, gtr xu-1, a9x.
battle is the word for sure!
Two classic Australian racing cars. Ford had the horses, Holden had the handling and weight advantage. 😀
Moffat and Brock muscle vs speedy Gonzalez they would put on a show that was second to none..gtho had the straights but the sneaky xu1 had the light wieght manoeuvrability especially in the wet..all in both were THE BEST including Bond,GOSS,Harvey,Morris and so much more thank you for the best entertainment ❤🎉
love this and theses cars!!
Both going at it. Good race.
2:52 hold on brother!!!
That was just fantastic to watch. It brings back so many memories from a time long ago. I only wish that the V8 super cars would take note of all the comments here. And bring back this style car and racing and get rid of rubbish that's going around today.
Brilliant.👌
Beautiful
Man that was so good.
The lighter Banana seemed a bit better on corners but the boxy old Falc caught up on the straights. A great battle to watch! Had an XA Falc myself in the 80s and drove an XU1 briefly.
Could watch that all day.
It's a joy to watch these two 1970's muscle cars doing exactly what they were actually designed and built for - running flat out!
Rubbish. They were designed and built to be family sedans.
Awesome
perfect match up
awesome . miss the 70s and 80s racing when it was real !
Brilliant...
The torana looked like you could hang an arm out the window and drive with one on the wheel while the xy was like you better hold on to that wheel or suffer the wrath of that beast. Both amazing cars in their own right. Great clip love that V8 roar