In the discussion about arms, I couldn't help but think of Monty Python: "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."
The constitutional peasants are my favourite bit Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort of supreme executive officer for the week. Arthur: Yes. Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting... Arthur: Yes, I see. Dennis:...by a simple majority. In the case of purely internal affairs... Arthur: Be quiet. Dennis:...require two thirds majority. In the case of old ladys... The thing is - this bit is actually based on a peasant commune in Germany who operated this system for decades. Except "old ladies" was external affairs.
One novel that tells of the Arthurian legend from the perspective of the women is Marion Zimmer Bradley’s “The Mists of Avalon.” Thanks for the episode.
Reading it now for the second time. Love the Arthurian legends of old; after the Romans and before Christianity took over the country. Lots of tension in various aspects.
She thinks magic is a verb so badabing, badabung she's not that great. Given her many misconceptions (Excalibur being the sword in the stone), she is the one-eyed among the blind. And to think that these two somehow got Ph.D.s.
@@str.77 And what’s your PhD in; yucking other folks’ yum? It’s certainly not in linguistics, or you’d understand that definitions are constantly in flux and informed by common usage. I’d also assume it’s not in history, or you’d understand that the democratization of history through programs like this helps to expand interest in the field. Magic yourself back to your trash can, Oscar.
@@str.77 you’re joking right? She clearly distinguishes the sword in the stone from Excalibur in the lake. And if you don’t think nouns can be made into verbs in conversational English…you’re an extremely poor source on anything remotely historical. And I hope you’ve never told anyone to “google it.” Where’s your PhD?
When I was very young, around ten or so, I first read about King Arthur and became a lifelong Anglophile……I’m 64 now and found out around ten years ago on an ancestry site that my maternal family immigrated to the US from Somerset…..I guess my intuition was on the mark!
My favorite contemporary (re)telling of the Arthur/Merlin legend is Mary Stewart's Merlin Trilogy; The Crystal Cave, The Hollow Hills & The Last Enchantment. It reads like historical fiction & borrows heavily from all the early historical writers & later Norman French romance sagas. (She cites all her sources in the appendix) She also gives the female characters more agency & motivation altho it is technically Merlin's memoirs. 2nd favorite is probably Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley since it's entirely from all the female characters pov & brings in a much more pagan pre Christian culture in conflict/ contrasted with the burgeoning new faith of Christianity. Definitely more of a high fantasy than Mary Stewart's but all great reads :)
Maybe they don't know about it. That's why she said she wishes someone would do a feminist retelling. Do you think if she knew about The Mists of Avalon she'd say that?
Maybe that’s due to the problematic author? Not only was the author’s husband a convicted pedophile, but her daughter has repeatedly and publicly identified her mother as not merely an enabler, but an active participant in the abuse, and which she and her brother were victims. Kinda changes how you view MZB’s books once you read the reporting on her husband’s conviction and her daughter’s testimony.
My favorite take on King Arthur is “The Once and Future King,” by TH White. Why does no one else spend any time with Sir Pellinore and the Questin’ Beast?
00:00 - Journey into the realm of King Arthur, where chivalry, magic, and destiny intertwine in legendary tales. 3:23 - Get to know the iconic characters of Arthurian lore, from valiant knights to the enigmatic Merlin. 15:14 - Explore mystical landscapes and legendary objects that enrich the Arthurian stories. 17:46 - Uncover the myths surrounding Excalibur and the legendary weapons of Arthur's saga. 19:41 - Learn about the magical tale of the Sword in the Stone, the key to Arthur's destiny. 24:16 - Delve into the relationship between Merlin, the wise sorcerer, and the mystical Lady of the Lake. 28:38 - Witness the complex and sorrowful story of Guinevere, whose choices had profound consequences. 33:36 - Discover how Arthurian legend has left an enduring mark on British culture and history.
The Mists of Avalon is mostly a retelling of the arturian legend through a feminist eye, where women are not vilified and they are the main protagonists.
Dr. Eleanor Janega's rap inspired me to pen a ditty: My name's King Arthur and I'm here to say, I like hunting boar in the normal way, I got rings on my fingers and a sword in a rock, The guys wanna be me and the ladies love my ----.
There was a movie where Morgana is the lead figure played by ER's Julianna Marguiles, and one from the point of view of Merlin played by Sam Neil. I recommend both.
As a fantasy author I always found it interesting, and wondered since most legends and myths were based on universal truths what were some regarding King Arthur and Robin Hood.
Favourite book re Arthur - The Winter King - series by Bernard Corwell. Awesome. Read it many times. But obviously Monty Python and the watery tart who gives him a scimitar- no basis for governance! 😂 Film Excalibur - loved it Great chat
An interesting video, with a particular angle, which I found absorbing, Eleanor is always great. But, I felt that some very important areas of the myth were not really explained. For example in some traditions Merlin was actually ‘The Merlin’ which was a title bestowed upon certain individuals in positions of power. There are many details such as this, which are perhaps worth researching, as these ideas shine a light upon the more Celtic roots of the story. A xx
I always thought Arthur was an English Medieval Messiah. His round table the apostles, even having a Judas in Lancelot. Merlin I assume is the devil , aiding greatness, but only with a diabolical outcome. Arthur even lies in wait to be resurrected when ultimately needed.
Thank you ( history Hit) channel for sharing this wonderful introduction video and thrilled conversations about ( unpacking the myth of King Arthur| After Dark).
It's so interesting the way people reveal their unquestioned assumptions about what we should think now. You know, when everything they "believe" is what their society told them to believe.
Forget the middle age version,You must try Bernard Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles the best Arthurian and most realistic story set in the time it should be,and a lot of explaining of what is and could be real. A great three books.
I'm gobsmacked that Anthony Delaney asked "Is he Welsh"? in apparent shock! 2:40 Surely no historian is that ignorant of the sources of the Arthurian legends? Asked for the sake of the viewer/listener?
He said "Isn't he Welsh?" not "Is he Welsh?". Maddy just talked about her interpretation of Arthur being part of English national identity. Anthony was challenging her viewpoint in a polite but confused way by asking "Isn't he Welsh?" instead of saying "He's not English, he's Welsh".
One of my favorite books when I was young was Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mists of Avalon. That was maybe the feminist retelling the host was looking for?
I've heard every single episode of After Dark and this is the first time I'm actually seeing the presenters and I must say they do not look like what I expected/imagined 😅that's not a compliment or an insult, just surprised that I imagined them to be sooo different! 😂
Haven’t finished the video yet, but I would enjoy a similar discussion of morality tales and social commentary in Cervantes Don Quixote from the Iberian perspective. Thanks! 👍🏼
Robert Graves, author of The White Goddess, said Guinevere was the daughter of a giant, which would make her half a giant. Moreover there were three of her - 3 for the Triple Goddess.
Robert Graves was a poet, not an historian or an anthropologist, and his speculations are generally rejected by serious scholars due to their numerous factual flaws and unjustified leaps.
"Magic being dormant in Britain," is indeed a good place to end, but it might also be a good place to invite Francis Young on to continue the discussion.
The Sam Neil movie,JUST THE 1ST ONE,..Merlin..IS BADASS!!LOVE IT!!...Sam ,Rutger,actress playing Queen Mab(sorry,her name slips me mind lol)...just good all around..🙃✌️🍻
Dr. E.J. drove the topic straight to romance and gossip instead of the epic of humanity, the sense of destiny, loyalty and betrayal, blood and tears, etc. I wonder why? 🤔
I think that’s an exaggeration yet, even so, those topics might just interest her. You make it sound like those aren’t legitimate areas for historians to explore.
Yeesh. The sword in the stone is to make the case that mere physical prowess is not enough to be the hero. Merlin is a prophet in the Old Testament sense. He has magical powers for the purpose of warning and demonstration.
I love Dr. Janega. But she says Arthur's bastard son is Morgause, but I thought his name was Mordred...? Morgause is supposed to be the cousin of Morgana, no...?
I'm writing an animated series which portrays the fictional "Water Kingdom" as Arthuriana inspired/based on. Expect to find Morganna on the throne, spoiler spoiler.
I usually like anything Dr Janega talks about but there was so much incorrect information in here. I’m not talking as someone who is trying to spout someone or others' theories on who Arthur really was-too many to choose from-just some of the early history about when Arthur first was mentioned.
Yeah, like, you know, it's like, you know, pretty annoying. I like, hate being stuck on a train with people, like, saying like, like every third word, like, you know..... Please stab me now! :P
Eleanor: Guinevere’s mother is being tormented in hell for being a vain hussy in life and is concerned about her daughter that’s following her example. Dude at the side: What a great life! Arghhhh 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Honestly, I hate that dismissive tone. But I guess that’s the new order of things. Anything that builds up or inspires virtue should be teared down in favor of hedonistic pleasure and a purposeless life.
Hedonistic pleasure is a purpose, and using the threat of Hell to denigrate sexuality, and especially that of women, has a track record of doing a lot of damage as well.
@yohei72 hedonist pleasure doesn’t build up anything good. What builds up is hard work and sacrificing pleasure for things that are good and last. Look at Guinevere, instead of spending time trying to build a relationship with her husband and buildup a family with him to stabilized the kingdom, she is not doing her duty and prefers to sleep around with her husband’s underling. Yes, yes, for hedonistic and simple people, that is very sexy and all that nonsense; 🙄 but at the end there are always consequences. I don’t really see how what you say is a good thing. But you are free to do as you please, you got that right from God himself. But remember, no one escapes consequences…
In the discussion about arms, I couldn't help but think of Monty Python: "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."
There's some lovely mud down here!
True executive power comes from a mandate from the masses, not some bizarre aquatic ceremony
@dereks1264 hello, your joke made my day
@@ChrisOliver4307that is not executive leadership, that is charisma. The lead lemming has charisma!
The constitutional peasants are my favourite bit
Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to
act as sort of supreme executive officer for the week.
Arthur: Yes.
Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special
biweekly meeting...
Arthur: Yes, I see.
Dennis:...by a simple majority. In the case of purely internal affairs...
Arthur: Be quiet.
Dennis:...require two thirds majority. In the case of old ladys...
The thing is - this bit is actually based on a peasant commune in Germany who operated this system for decades. Except "old ladies" was external affairs.
Eleanor has the best mix of being so knowledgeable but also so engaging on how she talks about history. She has such a talent for story telling!
Eleanor Janega is one of the most fascinating historians to listen to.
She's really great. I love her
Dr J is one of my favorite presenters on HistoryHit TV!
One novel that tells of the Arthurian legend from the perspective of the women is Marion Zimmer Bradley’s “The Mists of Avalon.”
Thanks for the episode.
Reading it now for the second time. Love the Arthurian legends of old; after the Romans and before Christianity took over the country. Lots of tension in various aspects.
This is such a good version. Read the book years ago and I've never forgot it!
Wow, i loved that book.
Did you watch the movie version? I loved it.
I came here to say this!
Wait. So did Arthur and his Knights have horses, or did they use coconuts?
When Eleanor takes part in anything, it becomes an automatic hit.
Agreed. She's dope.
It’s magic.
She thinks magic is a verb so badabing, badabung she's not that great.
Given her many misconceptions (Excalibur being the sword in the stone), she is the one-eyed among the blind. And to think that these two somehow got Ph.D.s.
@@str.77 And what’s your PhD in; yucking other folks’ yum? It’s certainly not in linguistics, or you’d understand that definitions are constantly in flux and informed by common usage. I’d also assume it’s not in history, or you’d understand that the democratization of history through programs like this helps to expand interest in the field. Magic yourself back to your trash can, Oscar.
@@str.77 you’re joking right? She clearly distinguishes the sword in the stone from Excalibur in the lake. And if you don’t think nouns can be made into verbs in conversational English…you’re an extremely poor source on anything remotely historical. And I hope you’ve never told anyone to “google it.” Where’s your PhD?
I'm a simple woman. I see Eleanor Janega, I click
Goes for men as well. You know her co-podcast 'we are not so different' ?
same
EXACTLY!
"strange women lying in ponds distributing swords,..."
no basis for a system of government
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate of the masses
My favourite historian discussing one of my favourite stories of all time. Yesss! 😄👏👏👏
To answer a question posed in the video: The Mists of Avalon may not be exactly feminist, but it does tell the story from the perspective of Morgan.
I can't count the number of times I've watched "Excalibur" (1981), but my all time favourite is "Camelot" (2011), where Eva Green plays Morgana.
A forgotten movie/ miniseries is Merlin from 1998 with Sam Neil as Merlin and Helena Bonham Carter as Morgana.
@@marcusfridh8489 And how about the character of Mab. I loved that character.
@@marcusfridh8489 And a very young Lena Headey!
Camelot with Richard Harris was good but Merlin with Colin Morgan was superb!
When I was very young, around ten or so, I first read about King Arthur and became a lifelong Anglophile……I’m 64 now and found out around ten years ago on an ancestry site that my maternal family immigrated to the US from Somerset…..I guess my intuition was on the mark!
King Arthur fought against the Anglo-Saxons.
My favorite contemporary (re)telling of the Arthur/Merlin legend is Mary Stewart's Merlin Trilogy; The Crystal Cave, The Hollow Hills & The Last Enchantment. It reads like historical fiction & borrows heavily from all the early historical writers & later Norman French romance sagas. (She cites all her sources in the appendix) She also gives the female characters more agency & motivation altho it is technically Merlin's memoirs. 2nd favorite is probably Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley since it's entirely from all the female characters pov & brings in a much more pagan pre Christian culture in conflict/ contrasted with the burgeoning new faith of Christianity. Definitely more of a high fantasy than Mary Stewart's but all great reads :)
Can't believe no mention of Mists of Avalon
Same
There's a few dozen novels not mentioned. Also a RPG game book that's regarded as so well researched it's used as a college reference work.
Particularly when they're talking about a feminist retelling!
Maybe they don't know about it. That's why she said she wishes someone would do a feminist retelling. Do you think if she knew about The Mists of Avalon she'd say that?
Maybe that’s due to the problematic author? Not only was the author’s husband a convicted pedophile, but her daughter has repeatedly and publicly identified her mother as not merely an enabler, but an active participant in the abuse, and which she and her brother were victims.
Kinda changes how you view MZB’s books once you read the reporting on her husband’s conviction and her daughter’s testimony.
Never miss anything with Lady Eleanor 😊
I'm becoming a major Eleanor Janega fangirl.
My favorite take on King Arthur is “The Once and Future King,” by TH White. Why does no one else spend any time with Sir Pellinore and the Questin’ Beast?
I’m confused about why authurian tales are becoming popular again but I’m not mad! Loved this from when I was a kid !
00:00 - Journey into the realm of King Arthur, where chivalry, magic, and destiny intertwine in legendary tales.
3:23 - Get to know the iconic characters of Arthurian lore, from valiant knights to the enigmatic Merlin.
15:14 - Explore mystical landscapes and legendary objects that enrich the Arthurian stories.
17:46 - Uncover the myths surrounding Excalibur and the legendary weapons of Arthur's saga.
19:41 - Learn about the magical tale of the Sword in the Stone, the key to Arthur's destiny.
24:16 - Delve into the relationship between Merlin, the wise sorcerer, and the mystical Lady of the Lake.
28:38 - Witness the complex and sorrowful story of Guinevere, whose choices had profound consequences.
33:36 - Discover how Arthurian legend has left an enduring mark on British culture and history.
The Mists of Avalon is mostly a retelling of the arturian legend through a feminist eye, where women are not vilified and they are the main protagonists.
Oh God. In that case, 🥱
There is an amazing rendition of this story told in the perspective of the Morgan Le Fay and puts it into a real life setting.
I'm doing a special lesson about King Arthur for my IVth grade English class and this has been a great help in preparing it. Thank you
Dr. Eleanor Janega's rap inspired me to pen a ditty:
My name's King Arthur and I'm here to say,
I like hunting boar in the normal way,
I got rings on my fingers and a sword in a rock,
The guys wanna be me and the ladies love my ----.
(Fist pump)
Write the whole book and I’ll buy it. “Arthurian epic rap” really needs to be a genre.
There was a movie where Morgana is the lead figure played by ER's Julianna Marguiles, and one from the point of view of Merlin played by Sam Neil. I recommend both.
Yes! Mists of Avalon and Merlin. Love them both
Love the Sam Neil version
In my memory they were on the same series, I didn’t realize it was two separate shows.
And frankly, a far better and intelligent overview of the story than what was discussed here!
There is an audible original that centers around Morgan Le Fay. “Morgan is my name ” book 2 comes out. It’s a good read
@3:24 Dr Freestyler 👏🏻😂
The "fwiinng!" when pulling the sword from the stone 😊
Okay, officially in love with Dr J. Magnificent.
As a fantasy author I always found it interesting, and wondered since most legends and myths were based on universal truths what were some regarding King Arthur and Robin Hood.
The Once and Future King ❤❤❤.
For a feminist take on the story of Arthur, I really loved Marion Zimmer Bradley’s The Mists of Avalon. 28:55
I was going to mention that as well - I’ve been reading it again and again in my late teens.
I was just thinking the same thing
Favourite book re Arthur - The Winter King - series by Bernard Corwell. Awesome. Read it many times.
But obviously Monty Python and the watery tart who gives him a scimitar- no basis for governance! 😂
Film Excalibur - loved it
Great chat
This was brilliant, Love Dr J!
An interesting video, with a particular angle, which I found absorbing, Eleanor is always great. But, I felt that some very important areas of the myth were not really explained. For example in some traditions Merlin was actually ‘The Merlin’ which was a title bestowed upon certain individuals in positions of power. There are many details such as this, which are perhaps worth researching, as these ideas shine a light upon the more Celtic roots of the story. A xx
Its such a massive story, with so many heads. There is only so much that can be fitted into roughly half an hour.
The book the mists of Avalon tells the story of the women who influenced Arthur .
I read that many years ago👌
The Marion Zimmer Bradley books come to mind as a somewhat more feminist Arthurian tale
I just watched Excalibur the other week so its impeccable timing.
Great stories and history, cringe pro-degenerate talk
I always thought Arthur was an English Medieval Messiah. His round table the apostles, even having a Judas in Lancelot.
Merlin I assume is the devil , aiding greatness, but only with a diabolical outcome.
Arthur even lies in wait to be resurrected when ultimately needed.
What about Sir Galahad? He, too, is one of the goodly Grail Knights and a son of Lancelot.
He refused to leave Castle Anthrax
Thank you ( history Hit) channel for sharing this wonderful introduction video and thrilled conversations about ( unpacking the myth of King Arthur| After Dark).
Love the modern value judgements....
It's so interesting the way people reveal their unquestioned assumptions about what we should think now. You know, when everything they "believe" is what their society told them to believe.
Forget the middle age version,You must try Bernard Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles the best Arthurian and most realistic story set in the time it should be,and a lot of explaining of what is and could be real. A great three books.
I'm gobsmacked that Anthony Delaney asked "Is he Welsh"? in apparent shock! 2:40
Surely no historian is that ignorant of the sources of the Arthurian legends? Asked for the sake of the viewer/listener?
He said "Isn't he Welsh?" not "Is he Welsh?".
Maddy just talked about her interpretation of Arthur being part of English national identity. Anthony was challenging her viewpoint in a polite but confused way by asking "Isn't he Welsh?" instead of saying "He's not English, he's Welsh".
@@Dakkapow Ah! My bad - thank you
Guinevere meeting her mother's ghost in the woods sounds a bit like Odysseus in the place where souls go and a bit like the story of Demeter.
Love this format! Getting an expert/scholar address major sectors of a given subject is pretty damn interesting
One of my favorite books when I was young was Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mists of Avalon. That was maybe the feminist retelling the host was looking for?
Shocked that a Dr in art history did not know Arthurian legend began in Wales folklore. And she teaches others 🤯
You didn't watch more than a minute of this video before commenting, did you?
Yep. My thoughts exactly ( and I did watch more than 2 minutes) .
I've heard every single episode of After Dark and this is the first time I'm actually seeing the presenters and I must say they do not look like what I expected/imagined 😅that's not a compliment or an insult, just surprised that I imagined them to be sooo different! 😂
Thank you, this was very interesting to me, I had no idea about the Welsh stories of King Arthur, I will have to see if I can find them.
King Arthur originally started off as a Celtic Briton folk hero fighting against Anglo Saxons
Haven’t finished the video yet, but I would enjoy a similar discussion of morality tales and social commentary in Cervantes Don Quixote from the Iberian perspective. Thanks! 👍🏼
ELEANOR!! Hope you get to do more stuff with PDX and CK, greatly enjoyed it!
Sir Bedevere...wasn't he the one explaining how the Earth is banana-shaped?
Fascinating, thank you!
Mists of Avalon, written in the 80s I think, possibly 90s. Feminist af and a good read
Exactly!
Robert Graves, author of The White Goddess, said Guinevere was the daughter of a giant, which would make her half a giant. Moreover there were three of her - 3 for the Triple Goddess.
Robert Graves was a poet, not an historian or an anthropologist, and his speculations are generally rejected by serious scholars due to their numerous factual flaws and unjustified leaps.
Never had an interviewer contribute so much fluff to an otherwise great discourse by Elenore
What a delightful intelligent discussion :)
Good episode. Cheers!
Could you please do a video about Robin Hood?!
Team Gwain here!
I been wondering what Ms. Eleanor looks like ever since she joined the Gone Medieval team! Awesome episode!
She has presented many videos on History Hit already. Including the most viewed episode in the history of the channel.
"Magic being dormant in Britain," is indeed a good place to end, but it might also be a good place to invite Francis Young on to continue the discussion.
Any commentary apropos St. Galgano Guidotti?
Author might start waking, more than Britain needs his help.
Morgana La Fey 💜
I thought the sword in the stone was a different sword than Excalibur
Depends which version you’re talking about (this is the most common sentence you’ll say if you spend a lot of time talking about Arthurian topics).
The story of Tristan and Isolde is joined up to the Arthurian tales even though its origins is directly from Iberia.
We love Dr J xoxo
I always see Lancelot as a bit of an anti hero
Feminist retelling? The Mists of Avalon series, and there was a movie (haven't seen it). MaA was a big best seller.
The Sam Neil movie,JUST THE 1ST ONE,..Merlin..IS BADASS!!LOVE IT!!...Sam ,Rutger,actress playing Queen Mab(sorry,her name slips me mind lol)...just good all around..🙃✌️🍻
Queen Eleanor.
Thanks.
I am fully here for Eleanor and Clark Kent.
Very interesting
Dr. E.J. drove the topic straight to romance and gossip instead of the epic of humanity, the sense of destiny, loyalty and betrayal, blood and tears, etc.
I wonder why? 🤔
I think that’s an exaggeration yet, even so, those topics might just interest her. You make it sound like those aren’t legitimate areas for historians to explore.
For a, at least, women centric Arthurian retelling, look up Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mist of Avalon.
There is a feminist telling of the Arthurian legends, it's called The Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley
ELEANOR IS SOOOOO ATTRACTIVE 😊😊❤❤❤❤
I have to agree with you. Would love to see her wear sheer dark hose on some of her videos. Very sexy and brilliant woman.❤❤❤❤❤
Historical treat ❤
Yeah.. right
What do Dr. J’s earrings say???
Now I really wanna listen to Avalon by Roxy Music. One of the sexiest songs ever.
Yeesh. The sword in the stone is to make the case that mere physical prowess is not enough to be the hero.
Merlin is a prophet in the Old Testament sense. He has magical powers for the purpose of warning and demonstration.
If you go to Brittany, the Broceliande Forest, the Arthur /Merlin Legend starts there, not Wales.
Hmm come to Carmarthen where Merlin was born
@@arows66He wasn't. He came from Yr Hen Ogledd.
Thanks Elenor the Great
I love Dr. Janega. But she says Arthur's bastard son is Morgause, but I thought his name was Mordred...? Morgause is supposed to be the cousin of Morgana, no...?
Yeah, this is an error. Morgause is Arthur’s sister, with whom he fathers Mordred (before either of them finds out they’re related).
I'm writing an animated series which portrays the fictional "Water Kingdom" as Arthuriana inspired/based on. Expect to find Morganna on the throne, spoiler spoiler.
I usually like anything Dr Janega talks about but there was so much incorrect information in here. I’m not talking as someone who is trying to spout someone or others' theories on who Arthur really was-too many to choose from-just some of the early history about when Arthur first was mentioned.
If he missed showing up for the wars of the roses, the civil war, or WWII I am pretty sure he wil notbe seen again
Regarding a feminist take on the legend how about THE MISTS OF AVALON.
Makes me think of how the Addams Family is fundamentally a show about a man who is deeply in love with and absolutely sexually devoted to his wife.
If King 🤴 Arthur is to return when Britain 🇬🇧 needs him, he should have came back duing WWII
As always, evil cannot create, it can only destroy.
What about ‘good’?
I think King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (2017) has to be the most bat-shit crazy version of the story! Guy Ritchie, 'nuff said!
The Mists of Avalon is the tail of Arthur from a woman's view.
Dr J = Watch
Someone should, like, count the number of "likes" in this. Like
Yeah, like, you know, it's like, you know, pretty annoying. I like, hate being stuck on a train with people, like, saying like, like every third word, like, you know..... Please stab me now! :P
Eleanor: Guinevere’s mother is being tormented in hell for being a vain hussy in life and is concerned about her daughter that’s following her example.
Dude at the side: What a great life!
Arghhhh 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Honestly, I hate that dismissive tone. But I guess that’s the new order of things. Anything that builds up or inspires virtue should be teared down in favor of hedonistic pleasure and a purposeless life.
Hedonistic pleasure is a purpose, and using the threat of Hell to denigrate sexuality, and especially that of women, has a track record of doing a lot of damage as well.
@yohei72 hedonist pleasure doesn’t build up anything good. What builds up is hard work and sacrificing pleasure for things that are good and last. Look at Guinevere, instead of spending time trying to build a relationship with her husband and buildup a family with him to stabilized the kingdom, she is not doing her duty and prefers to sleep around with her husband’s underling.
Yes, yes, for hedonistic and simple people, that is very sexy and all that nonsense; 🙄 but at the end there are always consequences.
I don’t really see how what you say is a good thing. But you are free to do as you please, you got that right from God himself. But remember, no one escapes consequences…
Dark fool of terrors
Wooden mythological
Sword sheath specifics
#haiku #story #arthur