The Knights Templars and the Knight Hospitallers were Catholic military-religious orders to defend the Christians in the Holy Land and to roll back the Muslims (the Holy Land falling to the Muslims in the late 7th century). They are not some sort of a "road side service" as this guy claimed. I noticed he has that sometimes sarcastic look on his face while he was talking about the Knights Templars.
Wonderful interview! I have always enjoyed Dan Jones' "informal" way of bringing the distant past to life. As the poet Lord Byron once said about a new acquaintance he liked, "I long to drink with him."... Keep up the good work, History Hit!
I always hated History in school. Studying endless wars, with faceless kings, names after names.. dates after dates. Far off places, with people and culture I was completely unfamiliar with. It was tedious, onerous and extremely boring and seemed useless. But now, majority of my time on youtube is spent on learning about historical events, personalities, far off places and it's people and culture. I think there is fundamentally something lacking in the way History is taught in school, at least how it was for me. Actual History is fascinating!! I can't get enough. Thank you for this wonderful interview, Kudos to the interviewer for such a brilliant job! I, myself would first of all - not have asked as smart qs as you did. But more importantly, you didn't interrupt or add your own commentary to anything! It was a joy to watch.
I felt the same way about history in school. As an adult I realized that I had lousy lazy boring teachers. A good teacher makes a big difference. I now as an adult I enjoy learning history in general.
To me the fascination is in the minutia and details ... as so.eone taught to be a history teacher too often you are told what and how to teach .. you teach to the curricula and for the test ... that said you need to know the basics to appreciate the details.
In the 70s, history was so boring in H. S. I liked math way better. But in the 90s, they started having historical shows that had visuals and not just someone reading dull facts from a book. Then, historical fictions, books based on facts but told from a first-person view. I was hooked. "The Alienist" was one of the first of these I read. It's about life in 1890s Manhattan with a somewhat fictional Jack the Ripper story added to it. I loved reading the descriptions of life in NY as much as the investigation and the murders.
I bought this book for my Dad. It was an Interest we shared. He’d read it while waiting for me at my doctors appointments and then we’d discuss what he learned on the way home. Sadly, he died unexpectedly a little over 6 months ago. I’m beyond heartbroken.
I lived in a house that was 300 years old in Alconbury Village in the 70s. But 200 miles in the states…not even a challenge. 500 miles maybe…LOL. But you are right about the time comparison. I used to belong to the English Heritage Society I think they were called. Taking care of the historical places. Interesting video. Thanks guys.
200 miles is nothing, it only takes about 3.5 hours.. A nice Sunday drive at most. 600 to 720 miles, 10-12 hours, is a fine days drive. My ex planned a vacation going from Dallas to Los Angeles (Disneyland) which is about 1500 miles away. The only time he would stop is if the car needed gas, which is when we had to queue up for the restroom and grab some snacks and hope we didn't keep him waiting. Never again.
I couldn't sit and chat this coherently about any topic. Thank you for your ability to share history without doubling back, getting bogged, using esoteric words, and vague references. A treasure.
It wasn't until I left school I found my passion for history, especially medieval history. We should continue to teach about it. A fascinating and bizarre time in the world's history.
I began my love of history in, of all places, English lit class. We read The Canterbury Tales and The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. My teacher not only knew these pieces well, he also knew a lot of the history surrounding them. It was my favorite class! For a few years after that, I was busy and kind of abandoned it. But later, I found myself reading history more than other things. I watched shows about history when they were on TV, and now, with UA-cam, I can pretty much have a regular diet of any type of history! I love it!
I never found history boring. I was fascinated since a young child and off I went, reading encyclopedias, magazine articles, books of all types, and watching very fictionalized movies and tv programs to documentaries. I had good teachers, but even those that weren't the best, touched on topics that sparked my curiosity. I guess I was self-driven. To me, history was a very long, dramatic, romantic, often tragic adventure.
Knights Templar has been, and remains, a source of fascination for me. This highly intelligent conversation about one of my favorite subjects is greatly appreciated and enjoyed.
They're interesting for sure and their descendants still live today as a secret society infact they're believed to be the most powerful secret society in the world today freemasons aka illuminati they control everything from the entertainment industry to the government the templars fell from gods grace into obsession for power and knowledge offered by demonic entities/aliens they discovered in the middle east like the mafia only descendants of the templars can join their ranks everyone else just works for them military, presidents, artist movie stars sport stars etc...
I love Dan Jones; he's always such an engaging historian. Dan Snow is not only a great historian but also an especially skilled interviewer; terrific at directing the flow without distracting from the information. Really terrific 👏 Definitely need more of these interviews ❤
@@colin.dI don’t necessarily disagree although I find him quite arrogant in this video, which is somewhat off putting. I have watched Dan in other shows where he comes across far more humble so i found his performance here a bit strange and confusing in terms of his attitude. Content-wise he is clearly an expert though
Was happy to find out that he was a historical consultant on the series Knightfall which was an excellent series about the Templars and how their downfall came about and who was instrumental in that downfall.
Travelled with my parents from Pennsylvania to the UK in 1994. We were mostly based in London & on leisurely walk around the city our first day there we came upon the Temple Church. Did not appreciate till later what an important role it had in history. I still get chills thinking about our visit there. We spent a good couple of hours there walking around the inside & sketching ❤
I'm in Australia. A colleague once returned from holiday in England where he had attended the MILLENNIAL celebration of a particular church. In Oz and no doubt the USA we get excited about a centenary. In the old country you can indeed celebrate 1000 years of existence. It's breathtaking. Another matter: the UK does a better job of preserving the past than Australia. Here, we obliterate old buildings without a second thought but it's done at the price of a fundamental connection with the past which the digital age can't even begin to emulate, let alone compensate.
It’s something I only grew to appreciate about England recently. Outside my parents house we have a church built in the 11th century, and sheep fields from the 10th. It’s not really talked about or mentioned, as they’ve always been there any nobody really sees it as particularly remarkable, but not a lot of countries have that kind of history still standing
We just need to to talk to Aboriginal Australians about the ancient world. We've got a huge amount of ancient history in Australia we just need to study and work with the people who know it.
Stonehenge is having a bypass built beside it that will not only remove it's world herratige status, but might also destroy the site. England no longer cares about their history beyond appologizing for things they can't change. What REALLY matters, is soap operas, curry and stabbing people over who can kick a ball better.
@@victor382 Why would I be undercover ? They love to make you think the ancient orders are all secretive and clandestine, when reality is the are even public tours of KT Mark Masons Hall or the Mason's Grand Lodge in Great Queens Street, and ANYONE can be a Mason & be invited to join KT or Knights of Malta. It suits their purpose & book sales to push a sinister group of secret societies that controls the world🤣😂😅 It's about building a better person and what you can do for society as a whole , not reconquering the holy land.
from an editor's perspective, i really appreciate dan jones's ease with which he allows those cut gaps following background noise (or through making a more concise point) that are of such use in post. proper professionals, both and a subject i adore.
So realistically, Philip the 4th tried to destroy the Templars and while he got some money, he also made them legendary. Nearly everyone knows the Templars few people know Philip the 4th.
Phillip the fair is maybe not known outside France but in france he is famous (not loved) ,because he is considered as one of the great king .who managed to centralize the administration and by diminishing the role of the french nobility.and was quite succefull ;military speaking.
Basically its the equivalent if Gerald Ford dismantled Disney, everyone and their Dog knows Disney but nobody knows who Gerald Ford is despite being a US President.
@@alanb9443 The Templars were really a success so their fame is based on that success as mention here they had a ton of Connections, Land, Banks and Great Marketing that lasts even today so not bad for a bunch of Knights that are founded to guard pillgrims in a warzone. (I think you mean Famous isn't the same as long lasting success)
Few people know Philip IV outside of France only because there is no video games or movies on him as there are with the Templars. He is nevertheless one of the greatest French kings who is known of anyone with basic knowledge of French history. He's the one that centralized France, created the French state, diminished the influence of the pope, and made France the most powerful country of Christendom. Also the video is misleading on Philip's motives to eliminate the Templars. It has few to do with gaining some money, but among other reasons to get rid of a powerful military order whose loyalty goes to the pope and not to the king. Therefore, in order to establish his authority, the Templars were to be destroyed and Philip succeeded in doing so. What is very interesting and somehow not talked about in the video is the curse put upon Philip's descendants by Jacques de Molay, the grand master, while being burned alive at the stake. Despite having three sons that would all become kings of France. Philip's sons would eventually die prematurely one after the other and would fail to produce male heirs to the throne. Even worse, that made Edward III of England, the rival kingdom of France, the best candidate to the throne of France, and would eventually lead to the Hundred years' war. That is also what the myth surrounding the Templars is about.
@@1ma4ighter Or maybe like me he's done some field recording or sound production & understands how difficult the process is, just to get golden audio into your ears, done well enough that it's unnoticeable to people who haven't worked with sound?
@@cdr3153 personally I was thinking that it was the environment I could imagine trying to record this with any kind of microphone and with any kind of field recorder and just find it so difficult to get the noise out and also get such a clear and balance equalisation coming from the vocal I've done a little bit of recording myself as a classical musician being self recorded and also recording my students myself without half expensive equipment and half-decent microphones and I can tell you it's very difficult to get the correct placement and rejection of noise even in a studio setting but more so difficult out in the open this is truly a great recording
As someone that has always loved history and being a English Canadian I think both these guys are great . Visiting England is something I always look forward to . I still have family in Liverpool.
I don't think I've enjoyed a history lesson ever, as much as I enjoyed this one. What an amazing talent Dan Jones has to capture you in the conversation and educate at the same time. More please...
I now live in Canada and love to show off that I could see a castle from my bedroom window growing up. We are so used to seeing this stuff and Dan is right, it's totally exotic to North Americans
My dad's family originally were from Germany, Wales, Ireland or Scotland or both, I'm not sure, and France.Many of those places have castles. I would love to see them. All it takes is $.
I grew up looking at the Twin Towers and the Statue of Liberty! I also had my prom at Windows on the World at the top of the World Trade Center. So sad!
This is such a fascinating discussion. I have the book, but it's pales in comparison when hearing Dan Jones explain all the different political and historical back stories, as regards the rise and fall of the Templars.
We as Americans only have a continental history of 500 years. However as a 75 yr old lover of all history we come from You. So yours is ours. God Blessed America by using 4,000 years of European history. Thank you both, BIG fan.
"Who wouldn't want to educate themselves about everything that's ever happened?" Exactly! I have a voracious appetite for history ranging from antiquity to the 20th century. The thing that I get out of history is for how much things have changed, they've also stayed the same. People in general want to live peaceful lives. There is always some power-hungry madman champing at the bit. And this you see repeatedly among all cultures.
Loved Dan Snow's history of the Royal Navy for the BBC also have a couple of Dan Jones' books the Templars is cracking read, great interview from two people who love thier subject. Thanks fella's
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Two of my favorite contemporary history guys, just having a chat about one of my favorite historical topics! Thank you both for taking the time! Respect!
Excellent interview! Dan is 100% correct about us Americans. We are enthralled by British history and are amazed and somewhat jealous that you live modern lives with a backdrop of such treasured buildings.
Well, Americans decimated their 1000s of years of history when they decided to get rid of the indigenous population. It's your own fault, you too could have had a very long history!
@@gillian-clairepearman3125 That tends to happen to civilizations that spent a thousand generations living on nearly infinite resources and never progress out of the stone age. It doesn’t matter if it was Europeans, Arabs, Africans, Asians it was only a matter of time. Maybe it would have taken another 100 years or 300, but the moment a modern civilization made contact they were either going to be conquered or exploited. Even if that inevitably didn’t happen, first contact would have annihilated the majority of native populations exactly like what happened in our timeline. There was no future for the people of the Americas short of their development while Europe remained in the dark age. Welcome to the sad reality of mankind. There are thousands of peoples who are completely lost to history, but their plight and tragedy doesn’t fit your political narrative does it.
This was such a thought provoking interview for me. It is so awe inspiring to listen to Dan Snow chat so off the cuff and so matter a factly make 100's of years of history come to life. So many names dates and locations with no notes what so ever. I'm from the US and know more about European history than my own, there is a certain romance to the old history and the castles and ancient road ways that just don't exist here. I think that there is also another reason for the fascination here on the other side of the pond for some of us, it's our history. Many of us can trace our family lines back to England, Italy, Ireland, ect... I never really thought about much about why my great great grandma left Scotland let alone what her life may have been like. After finding all the great docs on history, Time Team, History Hit, Pete Kelly, Dr. Kat and so many more.I have come to realize that with my Irish, Scottish, German, and Polish ancestry I have been at war with my self for generations! I sort of hate to admit it but I'm hooked on Oak Island, I was wondering if Dan thinks that there may a connection between the Knights Templar and the Money Pit. I just don't know what to think of it all. Anyways... these are the things I think about when driving my lawn mower around in circles in the sun. Thanks for sharing this, I really enjoyed it.
Fantastic talk with two historians that know their subject matter extremely well and explain it perfectly. This is the best video on the Templars I’ve ever seen.
In Portugal they believe that the Templars didn’t disappear but transformed into the Knights of the Holy Spirit in Tomar. This order then went on to fund the voyages of discovery. They certainly had good branding and reputation.
Yes, the Order of Christ in short. We don't have to speculate about it. It was a papal bull Ad ea ex quibus in March 1319 granted to King Diniz of Portugal to inherit all the assets of the Knights Templar order.
What a great interview,both Dan's giving there inputs and views. A very interesting period in history, where fiction and fact are dificult to pick apart. Good one keep them coming!!
From an American 🇺🇸 a 200 a day trip… yes…. To you Brits my feeling, is you have sooooo much HISTORY under your feet, you don’t explore your 200 mike journeys…. it’s why we here 🇺🇸 embrace sooo much of your history…. You have jewels not even found yet.., I loved England 🏴 on my journey trips :-) 🇨🇱 Chile was an amazingly eye opener… anyway I digress .. I love English history…. Besides my maternal grandaddy is from Brighton ❤ my Father is 💯 Italian, Mum 💯 English… I’m Blessed Loved listen to Dan Jones I could listen to him talk history all day….…. Now I’m on a hunt for his books… Bring more of him ….. soooo many Americans are ignorant of our Colonies let alone history of the world… Love your show I watch all your shows !! ♥️♥️
The memoirs of Usamah Ibn-Munqidh, a warrior from the early Crusades. Here’s a memory from the chapter of the book on Usamah’s interactions with the Franks. He just casually mentions that the Templars in this city were his friends, which is something that we would probably assume unlikely or even impossible: Whenever I visited Jerusalem I always entered the Aqsa Mosque, beside which stood a small mosque which the Franks had converted into a church. When I used to enter the Aqsa Mosque, which was occupied by the Templars, who were my friends, the Templars would evacuate the little adjoining mosque so that I might pray in it. One day I entered this mosque, repeated the first formula, “Allah is great,” and stood up in the act of praying, upon which one of the Franks rushed on me, got hold of me and turned my face eastward saying, “This is the way thou shouldst pray!” A group of Templars hastened to him, seized him and repelled him from me. I resumed my prayer. The same man, while the others were otherwise busy, rushed once more on me and turned my face eastward, saying, “This is the way thous shouldst pray!” The Templars again came in to him and expelled him. They apologized to me, saying, “This is a stranger who has only recently arrived from the land of the Franks and he has never before seen anyone praying except eastward.” Thereupon I said to myself, “I have had enough prayer” (163).
From the times of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him down to Umar the caliph all the way to the Andalusian great civilization both religions had good relationship, it was the church who wanted all the Muslim wealth and power for themselves who painted the Muslims as dark moorish barbarians when in reality it was the opposite just like what happened to the Templars. All the atrocities that happens in the world most always point back to the top church.
@@kyleanuar9090 muslims slaughtered 12000 german pelgrims which led to the first crusade. Christians and Muslims never had a good relationship same with Jews vs Muslims, Hindu vs Muslims
@@kyleanuar9090 all the atrocities tht happens in the world is because of ppl! Jesus never told us to kill our enemies, islam does. Jesus never told us to marry 6 year olds, muhammad did. you my friend are gaslighting. read about the islamic history for eample the islamic slave trade from muhammad's time untill this present day
@@kyleanuar9090 its the way around muslims wanted the wealth and power thats why muslims invaded Christian countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Turkije etc. muhammad never went to Jerusalem it was a mirage muslims used that to claim Jerusalem for themselves. muhammad promised his followers what they didnt have.
@@kyleanuar9090 muhammad took Christians as sex slaves, he commanded his followers on his deathbed to expell all the Christians and Jews from Arabia. muhammad is an antichrist.like his alter ego allah
That was wonderful, simply wonderful. The UK is blessed by being filled with so many contemporary fascinating historians; these two being prime examples. Well done.
I thoroughly enjoyed, and benefited from, Dan's book on the Templars. He puts more flesh on the bones of men long dead than many historians are capable of.
I think the extreme interest in the history and Ken in the United States is because it is OUR history, too. It’s not like most of us WANTED to leave or to break from Britain. As always, it’s about the accumulation of money and power of our leaders. Your ancestrial kings and queens were ours, too. Many of us can also trace our lineage to the conquest. Our ancestors built those ancient buildings and served in those ancient wars, worked those fields, etc. and then, it’s like all of it was lost to us. It’s MY history, too. So it’s not any more surprising that we are interested any more than it is interesting to current British citizens. Our collective past belongs to use both, equally no matter which side of the pond we now live.
I watch in awe of historians like these two. I wish that I 1/100th of the ability to retain the knowledge they do. Moreover, I would love to have the access to the things they’ve been able to see, and experience. I can only imagine the pure feeling of being in medieval castles, backrooms of museums with pieces the public doesn’t see. It would be an amazing life to live. That’s why I always love listening to any and all historical documentaries.
I have read a number of Dan Jones' books and continue to work through them in chronological order. These are dense, fact-supportive, textbook-like books which enthrall me and I completely respect. So glad these exist; any medieval fan should experience them. 😊
37:00 As an American I think he got it right. I remember going on a field trip to the San Luis Obispo mission and being blown away at how old it was and it was only about 200 years old. I’ve always been an Anglophile and Francophile because the almost endless history fascinates me to no end.
I loved this program. My respect for the "duelling Dans" is over the top! I am one of those Americans who is enchanted with British history and cannot get enough!
To the man who just explained all of this.. You had me at "triumphalist".. honestly, your ability to emerse yourself into history's bowels... to explain things from experiencial perspsctive.. brother, your view and thoughts are rare. Blessed be.. never stop sharing the things in your minds eye... ~one of your American friends ❤🇺🇲🇬🇧❤
Excellent narrative lads, unlike most of the old fuddy duddy historians Dan kept it ‘real’ it was very easy to relate to I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next one, keep up the great work guys.
I think it depressing how poorly society has evolved or how arrogant of some to think their generation superior. The poor will suffer now just as then there will be bloodshed and corruption endlessly justice is fictional and people are distracted with romantic notions.
These two guys are two of my favorite British historians and I have watched them on different documentaries. They display a sense of intelligence as well as profound insight and compelling investigations of facts instead of bias or the status quo interpretation. In short, they make history come alive and I feel enthusiastically drawn to listening to what they have to say. I am just starting to read about the Knights Templar and I understand they have controversy as well as curiosity surrounding the allure of their exploits and various forms of enterprise they engaged in. For the time they served the church and its Christian followers, they did an extraordinary job of providing not only security, but also a sense of relevance and importance to the whole of Christianity, especially in a war-torn place like the Middle East. Truly, they were no Saints, but at the same time, some credit must be given to them. I think at their worst the Knights Templar serve as a cautionary tale about how far are we willing to go to fight for what we believe in and the trappings of worldly ambitions and temptations. I think all religions need to respect and acceptance. Religion should never be an excuse to hate another group of people or go to war no matter how justly we feel our cause is.
The Poles attempted to try to do the same thing to the Teutonic Order around the same time but because the Order created its own Monastic State in the Baltic and had the legal backing to their independence, the Order beat the charges in Court because the Poles couldn't touch any of the leaders. And you can see why the Hospitallers conquered their own island-state on Rhodes at the same time. For as well run the Templars were, they royally screwed up their opportunity on Cyprus to be independent.
Great interview. We American's have the interest in Euro history because we only really unite as American's when we are in conflict. Otherwise we are a nation of hyphenated lineage. Where our families came from is often more important than where they are today.
I’m American, Dan you are right, we Americans are fascinated by the depth of history England, France and Europe has at every turn. Our history is either to a very small amount of the 17th century and newer or even fewer amounts of Native Civilizations in the form of petroglyphs or stone or mud structures. And as you said most of us have European ancestors so we are interested on what their lives may have been like.
Great interview. Better than great. I always thought the most fascinating aspect of the history of the KT was how relatively quickly a vicious rumor mill perpetuated by those in power brought down one of the most efficient, wealthy, and notorious militias of the time. Imagine lasting almost 200 years and growing from peacekeepers and warriors to merchants, bankers, and influencers, only to be persecuted and brought down by the leader of the institution that empowered you in the first place. It's a great scandal, if you ask me.
You can watch the power of propoganda today. Watch it wielded against the FBI, the Justice Dept, medical advisors, schol boards, "election integrity", Bill Gates, the "liberal media", etc. If anything, it travels faster now, despite our unbelievable access to multiple verifiable information sources. Proof that people will believe what they want and what suits their world view, facts be damned.
@@MrAnperm I agree. But let’s not dismiss it either. It’s not so much about the fall of KT but rather how it was done and how easy it all went down. The Pope sanctioned the whole thing (essentially but not formally). That’s like Order 66 in Star Wars when all of a sudden this institution that has been built to watch and guard and act as a regulatory force against formal government is turned on by those who wanted more money and power. And the fact it was done under the pretense of spiritual infidelity is even more intense. The rumor mill to gain popular opinion was basically “these guys who are knights and bankers and land owners are actually devil worshippers and have fooled us all!” KT is interesting because it’s a power grab, betrayal, and witch hunt (literal) all at once and almost overnight.
Fascinating chat, one of my favourite daydreams is to just imagine if the Templars were never betrayed, what would the organisation look in this day and age.
In Portugal Templars were not persecuted, their order was extint of course, but their lands and men were passed to a new order, expressly created to absorb them in 1319, the Order of Christ, extinct in 1834 and then transformed in an honorary order, that still exists today. Great video.
This is an excellent overview of a complex topic. I have a limited knowledge of this historical period. However, it's just enough to be able to appreciate this discussion. Thank you.
Dan Jones should go see Casa Grande in Arizona, and many other great kivas in that region. They are not castles by European standards, but my goodness are they epic and impressive.
I live in the Phoenix area and have visited Casa Grande, it is amazing. The Hohokams also have a settlement with a gaming arena (for a lack of a better name) at Pueblo Grande at Washington and 44th st in Phoenix.
I think showing Dan Jones doc's should be part of a schools basic curriculum. The guy is cool as hell. Belstaff biker jacket, beckham haircut, matter of fact speaking style and incredibly confident. There's something to be said about making "boring history" cool to draw childrens attention. I think when I was in school, history was associated with thick glasses, long professor coats decked out in as much tweed as possible. This guy makes history badass, and I get it, the history itself should be enough to draw wonder and invoke the imagination, but the truth is, the majority of children need to feel like there is a "cool" aspect of something to pull their attention, and I think Dan Jones is a fantastic role model for a new generation of kids to pick up History and how fundamentally important it is to see where we came from and how we got to where we are. Love this guy
When you've had a foot in both North America and Europe, this is fascinating! A great overview of the subject by separating known facts and speculation. Great interview!
For me, Dan Jones nailed it. When I speak to my friends from England they “meh” 🤷🏼♀️ the history of England. For me, it’s all so interesting. Castles, Ancient sites, Iron Age, Kings, Cathedrals…
I've been a bit hooked on Dan Snow's History Hit through the podcast app on my phone over the last couple of weeks. I love this collaboration. You both compliment each other quite well, I almost wished it went on for longer.
And long may the knowledge of Dan jones, Dan snow, Eleanor janega and all the others keep circulating this world. It matters. And we should all rejoice that these great minds keep us interested in the amazing history of our world.
As an American, I can attest to the fact that, at least when I grew up in the 80s & 90s, medieval European history, chivalry, and Lord's, knight's, and castle's were all beyond fascinating to myself & many others, even mythical and romanticized to us.
We forget and have not been taught, that long before Europeans invaded the Americas, an ancient and rich culture existed. Intelligent, technological advanced cultures. Ladar (laser radar) has revealed massive cities under tropics. So cool. We need a Dan Brown type to research and create intrigue around these cultures.
They were emphatically NOT technologically "advanced" cultures. No pre-Columbian culture developed the smelting of iron. They can thus best be described as bronze age cultures. That's the technological level of Europe 2,000 years before. Even their use of bronze was nowhere near as widespread as in Europe and Asia. They also never invented the wheel. Understandable to some extent given the mountains that a lot of them were in. But again it shows that they were not "advanced" in any technological sense at all.
Ik people love to speak about how these cultures were so ‘advanced’ and there ‘secrets’ have no been lost due to European conquest. European expansion was not a moral thing and yes it was highly exploitative, but there’s a reason they conquered rather than were conquered. How could 200 Spaniards conqueror an empire of 5 million without significant techonolgical advantages?
"Advanced" really only emphasizes how little respect we give to foreign cultures, or our own. They weren't cavemen, but the people living in the Dark Ages had a better grasp of science and technology.
Well, Dan Jones has really rekindled my belief in a non-politised discussion of important historical accounts regarding Christianity in the Dark Ages. Dan seems to portray facts that he has research from source material in a way that's open and believable. Any accounts of historical wars are generally understood to be written by the victorious of that particular war, not the losers of it.. The 2 uploads I've watched (so far) concerning the 'Crusades' between 12th and 15th century presented by Dan here, have been so wonderfully discussed, divulged and explained without any agenda at all (imo!). Dan Jones, to me, seems to be a modern-day scholar, reading factual accounts and bringing them all to any person wishing to watch them through this provider, I'm sure there are words for this type of documentary - you have a new fan.. well done, keep doing what you're doing!
Excellent interview! Succinctly laid out. Any thoughts to share on the history theories about the Knights Templars secreting themselves and fortunes to the new world?
Probably not the Order of Christ (if you count them as the continuation of the Order not their own thing just formed by ex members) did have a reputation as Navivators but I doubt they buried any tresure in the New World also the Templars proper didn't survive till the discovery or rediscovery of America so the timeline doesn't match up, its far more likely they hid some of that Cash in some Forrest in Europe or some of their assets from outside Portugal got absorbed by the Order of Christ or taken by some surviving members that hid from persecution.
I really enjoyed this discussion with Dan Jones as I sometimes feel he is a bit 'typecast' in the 'high drama and hyperbole' genre of history programmes and that this doesn't always do justice to his immense knowledge of his period. I'm not necessarily against depicting history in a way that makes it more accessible to a wider audience but sometimes it's just as good to hear two historians have a back and forth debate on a topic. Likewise, as much as I enjoy Mike Loades' flamboyant style, it was wonderful to hear him in the last of these face-to-face discussions I watched just sitting and talking about a subject upon which he is hugely knowledgeable. Great stuff, can't wait to watch more.
There was no Russia as a country or state in 1099-1120. What pilligrims from russia in 1120? What the hell true history he is speaking of if he can't even distinguish Kievan Rus' from russia???!!!
This interview hasten enlightening to me . Simply amazing. As a historian wannabe, specifically of the middle ages, knowing this info, listening of every detail he gets out its simp,y unforgiving. Amazing! Thank you for this.
A fascinating video brilliantly done and incredibly informative . It was easy to understand and you come away feeling that you understand the Crusades and the Knigts Templar with more clarity
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The Knights Templars and the Knight Hospitallers were Catholic military-religious orders to defend the Christians in the Holy Land and to roll back the Muslims (the Holy Land falling to the Muslims in the late 7th century). They are not some sort of a "road side service" as this guy claimed. I noticed he has that sometimes sarcastic look on his face while he was talking about the Knights Templars.
The different color leather jackets doesn't fool me! This video used CG and camera tricks; they're still the same person.
a christian military order was only a paradox until islam invented the holy war. After that it was a logical reaction
Wonderful interview! I have always enjoyed Dan Jones' "informal" way of bringing the distant past to life. As the poet Lord Byron once said about a new acquaintance he liked, "I long to drink with him."...
Keep up the good work, History Hit!
I always hated History in school. Studying endless wars, with faceless kings, names after names.. dates after dates. Far off places, with people and culture I was completely unfamiliar with. It was tedious, onerous and extremely boring and seemed useless.
But now, majority of my time on youtube is spent on learning about historical events, personalities, far off places and it's people and culture. I think there is fundamentally something lacking in the way History is taught in school, at least how it was for me. Actual History is fascinating!! I can't get enough.
Thank you for this wonderful interview, Kudos to the interviewer for such a brilliant job! I, myself would first of all - not have asked as smart qs as you did. But more importantly, you didn't interrupt or add your own commentary to anything! It was a joy to watch.
Agreed! Same for me
I felt the same way about history in school. As an adult I realized that I had lousy lazy boring teachers. A good teacher makes a big difference. I now as an adult I enjoy learning history in general.
To me the fascination is in the minutia and details ... as so.eone taught to be a history teacher too often you are told what and how to teach .. you teach to the curricula and for the test ... that said you need to know the basics to appreciate the details.
You had a rubbish teacher , history came alive in every aspect with my teacher , I have loved it to this day
In the 70s, history was so boring in H. S. I liked math way better. But in the 90s, they started having historical shows that had visuals and not just someone reading dull facts from a book. Then, historical fictions, books based on facts but told from a first-person view. I was hooked. "The Alienist" was one of the first of these I read. It's about life in 1890s Manhattan with a somewhat fictional Jack the Ripper story added to it. I loved reading the descriptions of life in NY as much as the investigation and the murders.
I bought this book for my Dad. It was an Interest we shared. He’d read it while waiting for me at my doctors appointments and then we’d discuss what he learned on the way home. Sadly, he died unexpectedly a little over 6 months ago. I’m beyond heartbroken.
Sorry for your loss 🙏😢😭 xx.
😞 😞
@@jenniferdevlin2805 thank you
I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you can take solace in your good memories of the time you spent with your dad. X
@@Kjærli_Lyst-hår thank you
To a Brit, 200 miles is a journey, to an American, that's a day trip. To an American, 200 years is ancient history, to a Brit, that's the Midlands.
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Well white Americans
I lived in a house that was 300 years old in Alconbury Village in the 70s. But 200 miles in the states…not even a challenge. 500 miles maybe…LOL. But you are right about the time comparison. I used to belong to the English Heritage Society I think they were called. Taking care of the historical places. Interesting video. Thanks guys.
200 miles is nothing, it only takes about 3.5 hours.. A nice Sunday drive at most. 600 to 720 miles, 10-12 hours, is a fine days drive. My ex planned a vacation going from Dallas to Los Angeles (Disneyland) which is about 1500 miles away. The only time he would stop is if the car needed gas, which is when we had to queue up for the restroom and grab some snacks and hope we didn't keep him waiting. Never again.
Briton. The word you are looking for is Briton.
Two of the very best and most passionate history professionals- together! What a treat!
I couldn't sit and chat this coherently about any topic. Thank you for your ability to share history without doubling back, getting bogged, using esoteric words, and vague references. A treasure.
It wasn't until I left school I found my passion for history, especially medieval history. We should continue to teach about it. A fascinating and bizarre time in the world's history.
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I began my love of history in, of all places, English lit class. We read The Canterbury Tales and The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. My teacher not only knew these pieces well, he also knew a lot of the history surrounding them. It was my favorite class! For a few years after that, I was busy and kind of abandoned it. But later, I found myself reading history more than other things. I watched shows about history when they were on TV, and now, with UA-cam, I can pretty much have a regular diet of any type of history! I love it!
Why does school make learning so boring 🤔
@@tiktokmashupss7991 same! I truly did not know history until I was out of school. History is far more fascinating than any fiction.
I never found history boring. I was fascinated since a young child and off I went, reading encyclopedias, magazine articles, books of all types, and watching very fictionalized movies and tv programs to documentaries. I had good teachers, but even those that weren't the best, touched on topics that sparked my curiosity. I guess I was self-driven. To me, history was a very long, dramatic, romantic, often tragic adventure.
Knights Templar has been, and remains, a source of fascination for me. This highly intelligent conversation about one of my favorite subjects is greatly appreciated and enjoyed.
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It really is for me too, I have ancestors who were templars and so even as a little child I was totally immersed in knights and crusades
@@Alf763 how do you know that
@@truthbomber7628 because we have family records that go back a very very long way
They're interesting for sure and their descendants still live today as a secret society infact they're believed to be the most powerful secret society in the world today freemasons aka illuminati they control everything from the entertainment industry to the government the templars fell from gods grace into obsession for power and knowledge offered by demonic entities/aliens they discovered in the middle east like the mafia only descendants of the templars can join their ranks everyone else just works for them military, presidents, artist movie stars sport stars etc...
I love Dan Jones; he's always such an engaging historian. Dan Snow is not only a great historian but also an especially skilled interviewer; terrific at directing the flow without distracting from the information. Really terrific 👏 Definitely need more of these interviews ❤
Dan is a fantastic speaker on medieval history, a pleasure to listen to.
Which one? 😭 lol
@@jaymac7203 Actually both of them, but DJ particularly in this video!
@@colin.dI don’t necessarily disagree although I find him quite arrogant in this video, which is somewhat off putting. I have watched Dan in other shows where he comes across far more humble so i found his performance here a bit strange and confusing in terms of his attitude. Content-wise he is clearly an expert though
@@OzzyOsborne-x1r hmm. I don't get that from him at all. Just seems like two friends having a conversation about history.
Was happy to find out that he was a historical consultant on the series Knightfall which was an excellent series about the Templars and how their downfall came about and who was instrumental in that downfall.
Travelled with my parents from Pennsylvania to the UK in 1994. We were mostly based in London & on leisurely walk around the city our first day there we came upon the Temple Church. Did not appreciate till later what an important role it had in history. I still get chills thinking about our visit there. We spent a good couple of hours there walking around the inside & sketching ❤
I could listen to these two talk about the medieval world all day
"This is storytelling with the beautiful bonus that it's all true"
I love this so much
I love listening to Dan. Can't get enough. The amount of times I've rewatched his retellings of medieval history is almost insane!
I wouldn't watch trash like this for balanced history or intelligent commentary. The first 5 minutes were absolute garbage.
Two of my favourite historians crossing paths and discussing one of my favourite subjects - what a pleasure to watch, thank you!
I'm in Australia. A colleague once returned from holiday in England where he had attended the MILLENNIAL celebration of a particular church. In Oz and no doubt the USA we get excited about a centenary. In the old country you can indeed celebrate 1000 years of existence. It's breathtaking.
Another matter: the UK does a better job of preserving the past than Australia. Here, we obliterate old buildings without a second thought but it's done at the price of a fundamental connection with the past which the digital age can't even begin to emulate, let alone compensate.
Excellent points.
It’s something I only grew to appreciate about England recently. Outside my parents house we have a church built in the 11th century, and sheep fields from the 10th. It’s not really talked about or mentioned, as they’ve always been there any nobody really sees it as particularly remarkable, but not a lot of countries have that kind of history still standing
Don't forget what others intending to make false accusations to destroy history for what some bad things happened in the past
We just need to to talk to Aboriginal Australians about the ancient world.
We've got a huge amount of ancient history in Australia we just need to study and work with the people who know it.
Stonehenge is having a bypass built beside it that will not only remove it's world herratige status, but might also destroy the site.
England no longer cares about their history beyond appologizing for things they can't change.
What REALLY matters, is soap operas, curry and stabbing people over who can kick a ball better.
As a 25 year old English man, Dan is my hero!!! Forget about football players!
Dan Jones' book on the Templars was fascinating, and reveals an important truth in life. He who controls the gold, controls the world.
what crap you people will believe is just scary.....
@@hiramabiff2017 are you a crusader undercover?
@@victor382 Why would I be undercover ? They love to make you think the ancient orders are all secretive and clandestine, when reality is the are even public tours of KT Mark Masons Hall or the Mason's Grand Lodge in Great Queens Street, and ANYONE can be a Mason & be invited to join KT or Knights of Malta. It suits their purpose & book sales to push a sinister group of secret societies that controls the world🤣😂😅 It's about building a better person and what you can do for society as a whole , not reconquering the holy land.
@@hiramabiff2017 - enlighten us, oh wise one.
Go on.
I got in audiobook, and Jones narrates it, as he does all his books. He’s bloody good.
from an editor's perspective, i really appreciate dan jones's ease with which he allows those cut gaps following background noise (or through making a more concise point) that are of such use in post. proper professionals, both and a subject i adore.
So realistically, Philip the 4th tried to destroy the Templars and while he got some money, he also made them legendary. Nearly everyone knows the Templars few people know Philip the 4th.
Phillip the fair is maybe not known outside France but in france he is famous (not loved) ,because he is considered as one of the great king .who managed to centralize the administration and by diminishing the role of the french nobility.and was quite succefull ;military speaking.
Being remembered doesn’t mean success.
Basically its the equivalent if Gerald Ford dismantled Disney, everyone and their Dog knows Disney but nobody knows who Gerald Ford is despite being a US President.
@@alanb9443 The Templars were really a success so their fame is based on that success as mention here they had a ton of Connections, Land, Banks and Great Marketing that lasts even today so not bad for a bunch of Knights that are founded to guard pillgrims in a warzone. (I think you mean Famous isn't the same as long lasting success)
Few people know Philip IV outside of France only because there is no video games or movies on him as there are with the Templars. He is nevertheless one of the greatest French kings who is known of anyone with basic knowledge of French history. He's the one that centralized France, created the French state, diminished the influence of the pope, and made France the most powerful country of Christendom.
Also the video is misleading on Philip's motives to eliminate the Templars. It has few to do with gaining some money, but among other reasons to get rid of a powerful military order whose loyalty goes to the pope and not to the king. Therefore, in order to establish his authority, the Templars were to be destroyed and Philip succeeded in doing so.
What is very interesting and somehow not talked about in the video is the curse put upon Philip's descendants by Jacques de Molay, the grand master, while being burned alive at the stake. Despite having three sons that would all become kings of France. Philip's sons would eventually die prematurely one after the other and would fail to produce male heirs to the throne. Even worse, that made Edward III of England, the rival kingdom of France, the best candidate to the throne of France, and would eventually lead to the Hundred years' war. That is also what the myth surrounding the Templars is about.
I must say, I'm very impressed with the audio recording of this interview, GREAT WORK SOUNDMAN!
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@@1ma4ighter Or maybe like me he's done some field recording or sound production & understands how difficult the process is, just to get golden audio into your ears, done well enough that it's unnoticeable to people who haven't worked with sound?
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 do you have any examples of why this is a great recording for the uninitiated? Purely interested.
@@cdr3153 personally I was thinking that it was the environment I could imagine trying to record this with any kind of microphone and with any kind of field recorder and just find it so difficult to get the noise out and also get such a clear and balance equalisation coming from the vocal I've done a little bit of recording myself as a classical musician being self recorded and also recording my students myself without half expensive equipment and half-decent microphones and I can tell you it's very difficult to get the correct placement and rejection of noise even in a studio setting but more so difficult out in the open this is truly a great recording
@@1ma4ighter classical people aren't Hipsters, hipstas are wan'a be's.
Great interview. Two bright, erudite and articulate people bringing a period of history to vivid life.
This is a breath of fresh air after UA-cam forcing me to watch a bunch of anti mask/vax ads
An engaged and compelling a lecture whilst not being too hard on the eyes … nicely done, indeed!
And they're both named Dan, which is my name too!
What's the big mystery? Loonies have always been killing folks for Cheesus.
No worse blind than he who refuses to SEE...Shema!!!
I love this format: no frills and crap, just good information while still being entertaining. More please!
As someone that has always loved history and being a English Canadian I think both these guys are great . Visiting England is something I always look forward to . I still have family in Liverpool.
Youl need the Templars to reform again to guid you through Liverpool these days .
I don't think I've enjoyed a history lesson ever, as much as I enjoyed this one. What an amazing talent Dan Jones has to capture you in the conversation and educate at the same time. More please...
So perspective is education to you....interesting.
I now live in Canada and love to show off that I could see a castle from my bedroom window growing up. We are so used to seeing this stuff and Dan is right, it's totally exotic to North Americans
Perhaps one day the empire state building will be looked at like that. It's already pretty exotic in its own right.
My dad's family originally were from Germany, Wales, Ireland or Scotland or both, I'm not sure, and France.Many of those places have castles. I would love to see them. All it takes is $.
I grew up looking at the Twin Towers and the Statue of Liberty!
I also had my prom at Windows on the World at the top of the World Trade Center.
So sad!
This is such a fascinating discussion. I have the book, but it's pales in comparison when hearing Dan Jones explain all the different political and historical back stories, as regards the rise and fall of the Templars.
We as Americans only have a continental history of 500 years. However as a 75 yr old lover of all history we come from You. So yours is ours. God Blessed America by using 4,000 years of European history. Thank you both, BIG fan.
European history lol, 80% of it stolen from Africa and Middle East
"Who wouldn't want to educate themselves about everything that's ever happened?" Exactly! I have a voracious appetite for history ranging from antiquity to the 20th century. The thing that I get out of history is for how much things have changed, they've also stayed the same. People in general want to live peaceful lives. There is always some power-hungry madman champing at the bit. And this you see repeatedly among all cultures.
Loved Dan Snow's history of the Royal Navy for the BBC also have a couple of Dan Jones' books the Templars is cracking read, great interview from two people who love thier subject. Thanks fella's
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Two of my favorite contemporary history guys, just having a chat about one of my favorite historical topics! Thank you both for taking the time! Respect!
What is the apostrophe doing in the introductory image ?
Excellent interview! Dan is 100% correct about us Americans. We are enthralled by British history and are amazed and somewhat jealous that you live modern lives with a backdrop of such treasured buildings.
Well, at least 30 percent of USA is descended from the UK, Italy, Germany..... its our history too.
Well, Americans decimated their 1000s of years of history when they decided to get rid of the indigenous population. It's your own fault, you too could have had a very long history!
@@gillian-clairepearman3125 That tends to happen to civilizations that spent a thousand generations living on nearly infinite resources and never progress out of the stone age.
It doesn’t matter if it was Europeans, Arabs, Africans, Asians it was only a matter of time.
Maybe it would have taken another 100 years or 300, but the moment a modern civilization made contact they were either going to be conquered or exploited. Even if that inevitably didn’t happen, first contact would have annihilated the majority of native populations exactly like what happened in our timeline.
There was no future for the people of the Americas short of their development while Europe remained in the dark age.
Welcome to the sad reality of mankind.
There are thousands of peoples who are completely lost to history, but their plight and tragedy doesn’t fit your political narrative does it.
@@gillian-clairepearman3125 The vast majority of the Native Americans were killed by disease.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman I think they would still be in the stone age honestly
This was such a thought provoking interview for me. It is so awe inspiring to listen to Dan Snow chat so off the cuff and so matter a factly make 100's of years of history come to life. So many names dates and locations with no notes what so ever. I'm from the US and know more about European history than my own, there is a certain romance to the old history and the castles and ancient road ways that just don't exist here. I think that there is also another reason for the fascination here on the other side of the pond for some of us, it's our history. Many of us can trace our family lines back to England, Italy, Ireland, ect... I never really thought about much about why my great great grandma left Scotland let alone what her life may have been like. After finding all the great docs on history, Time Team, History Hit, Pete Kelly, Dr. Kat and so many more.I have come to realize that with my Irish, Scottish, German, and Polish ancestry I have been at war with my self for generations!
I sort of hate to admit it but I'm hooked on Oak Island, I was wondering if Dan thinks that there may a connection between the Knights Templar and the Money Pit. I just don't know what to think of it all. Anyways... these are the things I think about when driving my lawn mower around in circles in the sun. Thanks for sharing this, I really enjoyed it.
OOpppsss I got Snow and Jones mixed up. Sorry no disrespect intended, I'm going to blame it on the sun.
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Fantastic talk with two historians that know their subject matter extremely well and explain it perfectly. This is the best video on the Templars I’ve ever seen.
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I am such a romanticist about this whole era. The Templars are so fascinating. Thank you for your hard work and indepth investigations.
My favourite two Dans discussing one of my favorite history topics ❤️ Bliss!
In Portugal they believe that the Templars didn’t disappear but transformed into the Knights of the Holy Spirit in Tomar. This order then went on to fund the voyages of discovery. They certainly had good branding and reputation.
The knights of Christ
Yes, the Order of Christ in short. We don't have to speculate about it. It was a papal bull Ad ea ex quibus in March 1319 granted to King Diniz of Portugal to inherit all the assets of the Knights Templar order.
What a great interview,both Dan's giving there inputs and views. A very interesting period in history, where fiction and fact are dificult to pick apart. Good one keep them coming!!
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From an American 🇺🇸 a 200 a day trip… yes…. To you Brits my feeling, is you have sooooo much HISTORY under your feet, you don’t explore your 200 mike journeys…. it’s why we here 🇺🇸 embrace sooo much of your history…. You have jewels not even found yet..,
I loved England 🏴 on my journey trips :-) 🇨🇱 Chile was an amazingly eye opener… anyway I digress ..
I love English history….
Besides my maternal grandaddy is from Brighton ❤ my Father is
💯 Italian, Mum 💯 English…
I’m Blessed
Loved listen to Dan Jones I could listen to him talk history all day….…. Now I’m on a hunt for his books…
Bring more of him …..
soooo many Americans are ignorant of our Colonies let alone history of the world…
Love your show
I watch all your shows !!
♥️♥️
I loved hearing the chat at the end about how you guys handle the uncertainty of it, but the joys of storytelling and discovery.
The memoirs of Usamah Ibn-Munqidh, a warrior from the early Crusades.
Here’s a memory from the chapter of the book on Usamah’s interactions with the Franks. He just casually mentions that the Templars in this city were his friends, which is something that we would probably assume unlikely or even impossible:
Whenever I visited Jerusalem I always entered the Aqsa Mosque, beside which stood a small mosque which the Franks had converted into a church. When I used to enter the Aqsa Mosque, which was occupied by the Templars, who were my friends, the Templars would evacuate the little adjoining mosque so that I might pray in it. One day I entered this mosque, repeated the first formula, “Allah is great,” and stood up in the act of praying, upon which one of the Franks rushed on me, got hold of me and turned my face eastward saying, “This is the way thou shouldst pray!” A group of Templars hastened to him, seized him and repelled him from me. I resumed my prayer. The same man, while the others were otherwise busy, rushed once more on me and turned my face eastward, saying, “This is the way thous shouldst pray!” The Templars again came in to him and expelled him. They apologized to me, saying, “This is a stranger who has only recently arrived from the land of the Franks and he has never before seen anyone praying except eastward.” Thereupon I said to myself, “I have had enough prayer” (163).
From the times of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him down to Umar the caliph all the way to the Andalusian great civilization both religions had good relationship, it was the church who wanted all the Muslim wealth and power for themselves who painted the Muslims as dark moorish barbarians when in reality it was the opposite just like what happened to the Templars. All the atrocities that happens in the world most always point back to the top church.
@@kyleanuar9090 muslims slaughtered 12000 german pelgrims which led to the first crusade. Christians and Muslims never had a good relationship same with Jews vs Muslims, Hindu vs Muslims
@@kyleanuar9090 all the atrocities tht happens in the world is because of ppl! Jesus never told us to kill our enemies, islam does. Jesus never told us to marry 6 year olds, muhammad did. you my friend are gaslighting. read about the islamic history for eample the islamic slave trade from muhammad's time untill this present day
@@kyleanuar9090 its the way around muslims wanted the wealth and power thats why muslims invaded Christian countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Turkije etc. muhammad never went to Jerusalem it was a mirage muslims used that to claim Jerusalem for themselves. muhammad promised his followers what they didnt have.
@@kyleanuar9090 muhammad took Christians as sex slaves, he commanded his followers on his deathbed to expell all the Christians and Jews from Arabia. muhammad is an antichrist.like his alter ego allah
That was wonderful, simply wonderful. The UK is blessed by being filled with so many contemporary fascinating historians; these two being prime examples. Well done.
I've watched this twice now in 24 hours. The second time with my husband and he loved it! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I thoroughly enjoyed, and benefited from, Dan's book on the Templars. He puts more flesh on the bones of men long dead than many historians are capable of.
Such an amazing way of recalling History thru the art of storytelling. Absolutely beautiful. 💙
I think the extreme interest in the history and Ken in the United States is because it is OUR history, too. It’s not like most of us WANTED to leave or to break from Britain. As always, it’s about the accumulation of money and power of our leaders. Your ancestrial kings and queens were ours, too. Many of us can also trace our lineage to the conquest. Our ancestors built those ancient buildings and served in those ancient wars, worked those fields, etc. and then, it’s like all of it was lost to us. It’s MY history, too. So it’s not any more surprising that we are interested any more than it is interesting to current British citizens. Our collective past belongs to use both, equally no matter which side of the pond we now live.
Wonderful, thank you. I was privileged to visit the Temple area in London recently, including the Temple Church.
Greetings from South Africa.
An excellent interview. I have most of Dan Jones' books and find him most interesting and absolutely thrilling
I watch in awe of historians like these two. I wish that I 1/100th of the ability to retain the knowledge they do. Moreover, I would love to have the access to the things they’ve been able to see, and experience. I can only imagine the pure feeling of being in medieval castles, backrooms of museums with pieces the public doesn’t see. It would be an amazing life to live. That’s why I always love listening to any and all historical documentaries.
That was brilliant. Concise, complete, eloquent history. Entertaining.
Also, Dan seems such a nice all round guy.
I will definitely buy the book.
I have read a number of Dan Jones' books and continue to work through them in chronological order. These are dense, fact-supportive, textbook-like books which enthrall me and I completely respect. So glad these exist; any medieval fan should experience them. 😊
37:00 As an American I think he got it right. I remember going on a field trip to the San Luis Obispo mission and being blown away at how old it was and it was only about 200 years old. I’ve always been an Anglophile and Francophile because the almost endless history fascinates me to no end.
So if I told you that there is a Roman lighthouse that still stands in England that was built in the year 46 AD, how blown away would you be…
@@Mpayne1472 Honestly, not very blown away. I know about a lot of Roman ruins in England. I am very interested to learn more, though.
@@travisinthetrunk go learn then
@@Mpayne1472 Already on it. Lol thanks
@@Mpayne1472 It's the fun police!
I loved this program. My respect for the "duelling Dans" is over the top! I am one of those Americans who is enchanted with British history and cannot get enough!
Dan keeps history really fascinating, been watching his documentaries all weekend!
To the man who just explained all of this..
You had me at "triumphalist".. honestly, your ability to emerse yourself into history's bowels... to explain things from experiencial perspsctive.. brother, your view and thoughts are rare.
Blessed be.. never stop sharing the things in your minds eye...
~one of your American friends ❤🇺🇲🇬🇧❤
Excellent narrative lads, unlike most of the old fuddy duddy historians Dan kept it ‘real’ it was very easy to relate to I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next one, keep up the great work guys.
I think it depressing how poorly society has evolved or how arrogant of some to think their generation superior. The poor will suffer now just as then there will be bloodshed and corruption endlessly justice is fictional and people are distracted with romantic notions.
These two guys are two of my favorite British historians and I have watched them on different documentaries. They display a sense of intelligence as well as profound insight and compelling investigations of facts instead of bias or the status quo interpretation. In short, they make history come alive and I feel enthusiastically drawn to listening to what they have to say. I am just starting to read about the Knights Templar and I understand they have controversy as well as curiosity surrounding the allure of their exploits and various forms of enterprise they engaged in. For the time they served the church and its Christian followers, they did an extraordinary job of providing not only security, but also a sense of relevance and importance to the whole of Christianity, especially in a war-torn place like the Middle East. Truly, they were no Saints, but at the same time, some credit must be given to them. I think at their worst the Knights Templar serve as a cautionary tale about how far are we willing to go to fight for what we believe in and the trappings of worldly ambitions and temptations. I think all religions need to respect and acceptance. Religion should never be an excuse to hate another group of people or go to war no matter how justly we feel our cause is.
I really enjoy your Dan Jones interviews. He always has great insights and finds a way to make comparisons that are easy to digest and understand.
2 of my favourite historians in one conversation…,absolutely love it!
The Poles attempted to try to do the same thing to the Teutonic Order around the same time but because the Order created its own Monastic State in the Baltic and had the legal backing to their independence, the Order beat the charges in Court because the Poles couldn't touch any of the leaders.
And you can see why the Hospitallers conquered their own island-state on Rhodes at the same time.
For as well run the Templars were, they royally screwed up their opportunity on Cyprus to be independent.
I think the Poles eventually touched them
well hindsight is 20 20.
Great interview. We American's have the interest in Euro history because we only really unite as American's when we are in conflict. Otherwise we are a nation of hyphenated lineage. Where our families came from is often more important than where they are today.
I'm finishing his book "Crusaders" and in my opinion, is one of the best we'll researched and written books about the Crusades that I've read so far.
I’m American, Dan you are right, we Americans are fascinated by the depth of history England, France and Europe has at every turn. Our history is either to a very small amount of the 17th century and newer or even fewer amounts of Native Civilizations in the form of petroglyphs or stone or mud structures. And as you said most of us have European ancestors so we are interested on what their lives may have been like.
As a Texan, I thoroughly agree.
In an interview format, you both come across as far more intelligent and knowledgeable than in your more formal roles as presenters. Riveting.
Great interview. Better than great. I always thought the most fascinating aspect of the history of the KT was how relatively quickly a vicious rumor mill perpetuated by those in power brought down one of the most efficient, wealthy, and notorious militias of the time. Imagine lasting almost 200 years and growing from peacekeepers and warriors to merchants, bankers, and influencers, only to be persecuted and brought down by the leader of the institution that empowered you in the first place. It's a great scandal, if you ask me.
You can watch the power of propoganda today. Watch it wielded against the FBI, the Justice Dept, medical advisors, schol boards, "election integrity", Bill Gates, the "liberal media", etc. If anything, it travels faster now, despite our unbelievable access to multiple verifiable information sources. Proof that people will believe what they want and what suits their world view, facts be damned.
Not just a rumour mill but the King of France who was secretly in deep debt to the KT.
With power comes greed. Every organisation has an arc. No need to romanticise the KT.
@@MrAnperm understood. And yet, King Phillip was heavily indebted to the KT. 🖐
@@MrAnperm I agree. But let’s not dismiss it either. It’s not so much about the fall of KT but rather how it was done and how easy it all went down. The Pope sanctioned the whole thing (essentially but not formally). That’s like Order 66 in Star Wars when all of a sudden this institution that has been built to watch and guard and act as a regulatory force against formal government is turned on by those who wanted more money and power. And the fact it was done under the pretense of spiritual infidelity is even more intense. The rumor mill to gain popular opinion was basically “these guys who are knights and bankers and land owners are actually devil worshippers and have fooled us all!” KT is interesting because it’s a power grab, betrayal, and witch hunt (literal) all at once and almost overnight.
Great interview - both the questions and responses were quite thought-provoking and intellectually honest...
Fascinating chat, one of my favourite daydreams is to just imagine if the Templars were never betrayed, what would the organisation look in this day and age.
Fascinating.
Refreshing listening to a person so articulate, and clear of speech.
I’m in the process of reading Powers and Thrones by Dan Jones. What an honor to find him here.
Thank you for such a great historical interview. I have learned more from this than I did with 12 years of parochial education. Thanks.
I love Dan’s answer to making that connection historical people. It is so right on in so many ways.
In Portugal Templars were not persecuted, their order was extint of course, but their lands and men were passed to a new order, expressly created to absorb them in 1319, the Order of Christ, extinct in 1834 and then transformed in an honorary order, that still exists today. Great video.
What does extint mean?
This is an excellent overview of a complex topic. I have a limited knowledge of this historical period. However, it's just enough to be able to appreciate this discussion. Thank you.
Dan Jones should go see Casa Grande in Arizona, and many other great kivas in that region. They are not castles by European standards, but my goodness are they epic and impressive.
I live in the Phoenix area and have visited Casa Grande, it is amazing. The Hohokams also have a settlement with a gaming arena (for a lack of a better name) at Pueblo Grande at Washington and 44th st in Phoenix.
I think showing Dan Jones doc's should be part of a schools basic curriculum. The guy is cool as hell. Belstaff biker jacket, beckham haircut, matter of fact speaking style and incredibly confident. There's something to be said about making "boring history" cool to draw childrens attention. I think when I was in school, history was associated with thick glasses, long professor coats decked out in as much tweed as possible. This guy makes history badass, and I get it, the history itself should be enough to draw wonder and invoke the imagination, but the truth is, the majority of children need to feel like there is a "cool" aspect of something to pull their attention, and I think Dan Jones is a fantastic role model for a new generation of kids to pick up History and how fundamentally important it is to see where we came from and how we got to where we are. Love this guy
I loved to see more your Documentary history ❤️! Great historian ! Thank you very much.
When you've had a foot in both North America and Europe, this is fascinating! A great overview of the subject by separating known facts and speculation. Great interview!
Yes you need to study history, it gives you perspective on today's events. History tends to repeat itself in noticeable patterns.
The Fourth Turning is worth a read! Predicted troubles until 2030. Written in 1990s.
Amazing conversation... Greetings from an Egyptian history nerd 🤓
For me, Dan Jones nailed it. When I speak to my friends from England they “meh” 🤷🏼♀️ the history of England. For me, it’s all so interesting. Castles, Ancient sites, Iron Age, Kings, Cathedrals…
I've been a bit hooked on Dan Snow's History Hit through the podcast app on my phone over the last couple of weeks. I love this collaboration. You both compliment each other quite well, I almost wished it went on for longer.
I really enjoy this form of content. Would love to see more!
And long may the knowledge of Dan jones, Dan snow, Eleanor janega and all the others keep circulating this world. It matters. And we should all rejoice that these great minds keep us interested in the amazing history of our world.
My history interest began in grade school from an amazing teacher. Now 67 it still continues. Interesting subject regarding the Templars.
I have enjoyed Dan Jones' content for a while. It's great seeing two historians I like having a chat like this 😀.
Great interview it’s good to see history being told in a non bias way
He was a delight to listen to. I love how it appeared like nothing was edited. Just one long conversation.
I love that so much. I could listen to that for days
I’ve read all of Dan Jones’ books - he is a treasure. I started with “The Plantagenets”, and have been hooked ever since!
Dan Jones is an absolute ledge! We need more Great British Castles! Maybe great EUROPEAN CASTLES!
As an American, I can attest to the fact that, at least when I grew up in the 80s & 90s, medieval European history, chivalry, and Lord's, knight's, and castle's were all beyond fascinating to myself & many others, even mythical and romanticized to us.
We forget and have not been taught, that long before Europeans invaded the Americas, an ancient and rich culture existed. Intelligent, technological advanced cultures. Ladar (laser radar) has revealed massive cities under tropics. So cool. We need a Dan Brown type to research and create intrigue around these cultures.
Not so technologically advanced that they could resist European invasion…
They were emphatically NOT technologically "advanced" cultures. No pre-Columbian culture developed the smelting of iron. They can thus best be described as bronze age cultures. That's the technological level of Europe 2,000 years before. Even their use of bronze was nowhere near as widespread as in Europe and Asia. They also never invented the wheel. Understandable to some extent given the mountains that a lot of them were in. But again it shows that they were not "advanced" in any technological sense at all.
Ik people love to speak about how these cultures were so ‘advanced’ and there ‘secrets’ have no been lost due to European conquest. European expansion was not a moral thing and yes it was highly exploitative, but there’s a reason they conquered rather than were conquered. How could 200 Spaniards conqueror an empire of 5 million without significant techonolgical advantages?
"Advanced" really only emphasizes how little respect we give to foreign cultures, or our own. They weren't cavemen, but the people living in the Dark Ages had a better grasp of science and technology.
Well, Dan Jones has really rekindled my belief in a non-politised discussion of important historical accounts regarding Christianity in the Dark Ages. Dan seems to portray facts that he has research from source material in a way that's open and believable. Any accounts of historical wars are generally understood to be written by the victorious of that particular war, not the losers of it..
The 2 uploads I've watched (so far) concerning the 'Crusades' between 12th and 15th century presented by Dan here, have been so wonderfully discussed, divulged and explained without any agenda at all (imo!). Dan Jones, to me, seems to be a modern-day scholar, reading factual accounts and bringing them all to any person wishing to watch them through this provider, I'm sure there are words for this type of documentary - you have a new fan.. well done, keep doing what you're doing!
Excellent interview! Succinctly laid out. Any thoughts to share on the history theories about the Knights Templars secreting themselves and fortunes to the new world?
Knight templers=freemasons
Probably not the Order of Christ (if you count them as the continuation of the Order not their own thing just formed by ex members) did have a reputation as Navivators but I doubt they buried any tresure in the New World also the Templars proper didn't survive till the discovery or rediscovery of America so the timeline doesn't match up, its far more likely they hid some of that Cash in some Forrest in Europe or some of their assets from outside Portugal got absorbed by the Order of Christ or taken by some surviving members that hid from persecution.
Something is missing??? Maybe 2
I really enjoyed this discussion with Dan Jones as I sometimes feel he is a bit 'typecast' in the 'high drama and hyperbole' genre of history programmes and that this doesn't always do justice to his immense knowledge of his period. I'm not necessarily against depicting history in a way that makes it more accessible to a wider audience but sometimes it's just as good to hear two historians have a back and forth debate on a topic. Likewise, as much as I enjoy Mike Loades' flamboyant style, it was wonderful to hear him in the last of these face-to-face discussions I watched just sitting and talking about a subject upon which he is hugely knowledgeable. Great stuff, can't wait to watch more.
Thank you for the great video. I always was fascinated by history of templars
A good historian is a good story teller and that is what Dan Jones is
A good teacher , very much like my History teacher of 54 years ago….just love History Thank you Dan and Dan
There was no Russia as a country or state in 1099-1120. What pilligrims from russia in 1120? What the hell true history he is speaking of if he can't even distinguish Kievan Rus' from russia???!!!
This interview hasten enlightening to me . Simply amazing. As a historian wannabe, specifically of the middle ages, knowing this info, listening of every detail he gets out its simp,y unforgiving. Amazing! Thank you for this.
A fascinating video brilliantly done and incredibly informative . It was easy to understand and you come away feeling that you understand the Crusades and the Knigts Templar with more clarity