It is recommended that both hands are kept on the wheel when you aren't changing gear, operating switches and so on. Also, from a control point of view, holding a steering wheel one handed, low down isn't good practice. At one point, you also let go of the wheel with both hands. Any driving instructor would point that out, and you'd be failed in a driving test too. If you are going to preach road safety, then best adopt good practices yourself.
You are right, Rule 160. I didn't realise that but I do now. Interesting how we fly aircraft with one hand, but need two hands to drive a car. Thought provoking 👍
@@4Kandlez No accidents for over three decades - Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, Aeroplanes - my question is on that matter, why cannot I claim for 30 years no claims for the insurance 😆
So, you're talking about road safety, and yet you're there driving on a motorway, constantly taking your hands off the wheel and looking across at your camera. Clearly you're more focused on your video production than the quality of YOUR driving.
@@bankruptpensioner it wasnt 50 all the way . . . making excuses for mistakes only makes it worse. I agree about quality of drivers but lane disceplin is very important.
Just the other day I encountered a serious accident on a B road, with no other car involved. The front of the car had been massively stoved in and there was grass and muck on the road. My guess is the driver hit a roadside pole at speed, the limit on that stretch is 40. You'd have to ask what caused the driver to leave the road at speed and why were they doing in excess of the limit?
Hi Johnny, I see this all the time in our countryside roads. Vauxhall Corsa's up the tree. Obviously traveling too fast for the car, conditions, and more so, the capability of the driver. Many people, mostly young, have sadly lost their lives. The impact to the family must have been horrendous. 😥 Good to see a real example in the comments 👍
Your guess doesn't mean much does it, reality is you have no knowledge of what caused the car to crash but you are falsely stating as fact that excess speed was the cause.
I have ISA on my new car, fortunately it only gives me an audio warning (which I can turn off and now do all the time). The car has a head up display of my speed which I think is more helpful than the ISA system. The big problem with my ISA is that It regularly informs me I’m speeding at 33mph on a 60mph road, speeding at 23mph on a 40mph road, all because it has identified the wrong speed limit on a side road. Worse still, accelerating to 70mph and it picks up a 30mph speed sign. Imagine joining a motorway and accelerating up to 70mph when the car pick up a 30 or 20mph sign to the side of the motorway and the car is slowed to 20mph as you hit traffic travelling at 70mph. If cars are forced to slow down there will be accidents and road rage as there are a lot of morons out in cars.
@chrisbwhittle, If the ISA is governed by GPS then it really needs looking at, on my sat nav it bongs away like crazy when I'm on an accelerating lane (slip road ) indicating the speed limit at 30mph, that will be interesting trying to get on the motorway at 30mph 😟
I have a speed limiter on my Audi Q4 and love it. When driving in an unfamiliar area or on a road where the speed limits are up and down like a tarts k.....s and it bristling with speed cameras it takes a load off. Even in normal driving and on motorway temporary limited areas it means i can bang it on and not even bother to look at my dash. At junctions where I know you need to move fast I set it and can then floor the throttle abd let the car sort it out....I just point the car basically. So i thought I would hate it and never use it, I use it loads. It can be disabled and you can notch it up above the limit if you want. Its not infallible sometimes the system sets a lower speed where temporary speed limits have been removed. But you just knock it off.
Hi Alex, I control my speed with the cruise. See a 30, cruise on to that speed. See 40, exactly the same process. In the big picture, managing the correct speed easily is a good thing.
The sooner the better HGVs have had speed limiters for years my father ran a haulage company he said the fuel bills dropped when the limiters were introduced this would be massive if on all vehicles and bring fuel prices down. People will get used to it
You have every right, providing you don't do harm to anyone else. It's a human right to travel where ever you like on public land. What covid was that then?
All roads in the UK are built with Taxpayers money as no government or council has any money of their own! To say that motorists have no right to use any of the roads they have paid for is completely wrong! Every taxpayer in the country has as much right to use the roads as all others! The Constitution of Magna Carta 1215 states clearly that every individual has the right to travel where, when and how they like without let or hindrance! We also have the right to go as fast as we please as long as it does not endanger any-other users at that time! Doing 150mph in an E type Jaguar at 5 o'clock in the morning on a vehicle free M6 in the middle of summer should be allowed as nobody is being harmed or endangered! The main reason for speed limits is purely to protect the stupid in society!
Of all the fatal road accidents in the country, how many were traveling over the declared speed limit for that road? How many were due to drink driving? & how many due to mobile phone use? Or changing the channel on a radio etc? I regularly traveled the length of the country and the most accidents I encountered were at slow speed at or near junctions where a lack of foresight and anticipation were the prime causes! People miss judging the speed of vehicles in front of them and then ploughing into the rear of these slower vehicles. None of them actually doing in excess of the speed limits
we all need it - humans generally speaking are galactically stupid, that's why aliens don't visit this crazy planet 😆. You are right, I should be concentrating on driving, just like when piloting and aeroplane on final approach. The cockpit has lots of conversation right down to the when the the engines are shut down on the apron. It's quite natural to me, hence not many pilots in the world, relatively speaking. Most people simply cannot multitask ✈. And, the shorts you see on UA-cam with young ladies with four strips landing an aeroplane in complete silence is absolute nonsense, it just ain't like that 😆. And, you are right, it's nonsense - but that said, everything on planet Earth (from a human perspective) is absolute nonsense. Hope you found this response funny, you should have ❤ , if not, sorry 👍
There needs to be better and more consistent road signage. For example, my car already picks up the 40mph reminder signs for lorries on the local A road. Slowing from 60 to 40 ain't great. Get the signage sorted before they do this please.
It is LONG SINCE TIME that cars had limiters. Why pay for police to enforce (rather patchily) a law that can simply be achieved by adding a couple of lines of code to the computer in every modern car? Software, once written, is basically free, we've been solving real world problems with lovely cheap software for decades. UNLESS everyone's whinge is that now they can't break the law? Well tough. If you want higher speed limits elect a government that agrees with you....can't?.... well there's a reason for that - you're wrong.
Where is the problem? Perhaps someone can clarify why not exceeding the speed limit in normal circumstances is a problem? From NCS website…. Speeding was a factor in 29% of all traffic fatalities in 2022, killing 12,151, or an average of over 33 people on a typical day. The total number of fatal motor-vehicle crashes attributable to speeding was 10,922. A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash. 2022 speeding related deaths decreased by 2.8%, following two consecutive years of increases. The percent of deaths involving speeding (29%) is above the historic low set in 2019 when 26% of deaths involved speeding. Speeding-related deaths increased 19% in 2020 and another 9% in 2021, resulting in the most deaths recorded since 2007. 85.
I guess it is the understanding of the use of the word 'right' - but it is true by law or in court. You would not be able to say it was my right - as the judge would say you have no right. Intersting some what :)
My biggest question is what is the limiter set at? In America, we have speed limits from 5mph all the way up to 75mph. In an emergency situation, you may need to get away from something. Has happened to me in the past. I can only see this as a positive thing for someone with a heavy foot who never looks at the dashboard. Without mentioning names, I can think of a few. This would keep them out of trouble and save your engine.
Limit is not set at anything... The limiter is continuously doing surveillance tracking exactly where you are and force you to drive at the local speed limit.
@@a64738 That's not the question. In an emergency situation such as a lone female driver being pursued by a car full of gang bangers who's car is not speed limited, how fast will she be able to drive? If her car wont go faster than 30mph she's toast
Did you really think that they weren't planning this? All the tech is in the road surfaces and on gantries already, yet the rich will be able to OVER RIDE THIS TECH.
Not just the rich, software can be overridden and modified, plenty of clever people out there. I wouldn't worry about it, it's not going to happen anyway
I'm totally flabbergasted at the comment that I just posted and was censored. I am incredulous at the nature of the concern that is embodied in the action of censorship. Be careful out there. All is not what it seems.
@@bankruptpensioner Absolutely. I'm always a little citric, but no swearing. What I'm surprised at is that the censor is active on this subject. It says a lot.
He has it wrong. The lack of skills by drivers is because the modern cars do just about all the driving for you. Lane departure warning, collision avoidance, rear traffic clearance-all teaches you that you don’t have to look. The car does everything for you. So when these systems break, you’ll have a completely inexperienced driver
@@grazz7865 you are right, but a question is - did they have the correct skills in the first place on the understanding that when you pass your driving license test, that is when you really start to learn how to drive.
OMG what an awful man - Pink Floyd The Wall comes to mind - "if you don't eat your meat you cant have any pudding - how can you have pudding if you don't eat your meat.
Who cares anyway! Driving in the UK is generally an unpleasant experience now. And who even wants to drive fast on the motorway? There’s never room for it. In London all you ever do is sit in road works. There isn’t a compelling reason to own a car now in London.
That is a good point Norman however, outside London, the roads can be great. I am fortunate and live in the countryside and the roads are wonderful. However, they do have potholes and sheep in the middle of the road - can't be all perfect 😆
Thanks for replying, Sir. I don’t assume to be accurate in my comments. I do find driving has become too difficult in London but that may not be your experience in the countryside.
ISA could have both positive and negative implications. I don't think speed is always a bad thing and can sometimes help to avoid accidents say when overtaking or pulling away from a junction. You said the limiter will allow for temporary increased acceleration but what was not know is for how long? For example how does the car know when you are free from the hazard?
ISA would be more understandable if it wasn't for the fact that speed limits in UK have lost credibility. A speed limit posted on the side of the road is not the safe maximum speed that can be travelled at any moment in time, with a myriad of factors that would influence it but the real point of concern is where a speed limit is determined by political pressure and not because there is a need (usually) for a lower limit. It has been confirmed to me by several highways design engineers that around 50% of all applications to reduce speed limits are brought forward under political pressure. The new EU derived directive only applies to new cars after 7th July 2024 and therefore there are millions of vehicles on UK roads that don't have them and therefore why should a minority have to be restricted? Its bound to cause resentment. Also, adding yet more 'safety' features to cars to control the way we drive will invariably mean that driving standards will decline further as the vehicle shows the driver is irrelevant.
So you argue that accidents are being increased by people being distracted by tech in vehicles (not providing any evidence for this claim) but then you argue that the answer to the mass of distracting tech is more tech. I don't have the stats but I would guess that far more accidents are caused by people making bad judgements on overtakes or at junctions and I wouldn't mind betting that those far outweigh the number of accidents caused directly by excess speed. How is a speed limiter going to stop someone pulling out in front of you from a side road? How is it going to stop anyone from switching lanes without indicating? We have had speed limiters on lorries for years so a question exists there, has speed limiters on lorries reduced the number of accidents with lorries (I doubt it has had a significant impact). In fact what we have seen with speed limited lorries is an increase in lane blocking because on lorry overtaking another lorry takes forever and we see lines of lorries all travelling at the same speed blocking an entire lane for miles. I'm all in favour of improving road safety but I can see no evidence that this will increase safety by any significant degree.
The biggest one I see almost every day here in Spain is people messaging on their phones, veering across the lane, sometimes encroaching on to the oncoming lane like a drunk driver. I've also been in vehicles as a passenger where the driver is on whatsapp constantly, one of which was the driver my break down recovery truck.
Hi Grumpy, I did state that I wouldn't go into the details but I have now stated the facts (2022 numbers) in Ian's question in his comment. Please have a look. You are right that poor decisions are the main factor in collisions however, collisions are on the increase regardless of speed. Therefore, something has changed. So what has changed? Well, the cabin has certainly changed, number 1. Smartphones have changed the environment in the cabin - surely you must agree on this. Therefore, with overcomplicated controls in the cabin and smartphones in hand, one could say the increase in collisions is distraction - leading to poor decision making. All the numbers for 2022 are on the following website. Nothing winds me up more than a nanny state however, the rising numbers dictate that 'we' need to be controlled in our vehicles as people are doing what they should not be doing - which in this case is excessive speed. www.rospa.com/policy/road-safety/advice/drivers/speeding
@@bankruptpensioner So that stats on the link you provided actually say that 2/3 of accidents occur on roads with speed limits of 30m.ph or less which would indicate that speed is not the problem. If people are distracted or not paying attention then speed limiters will not stop them pulling out or hitting the car infront. In fact I would suggest that the stats would indicate that the answer is less tech not more. My own car has touch screen nonsense which is very distracting. When you drive a car regularly with old fashioned switches and knobs you develop muscle memory so you can do everything without distraction but that never happens when you have to touch things on a screen it is a constant distraction. I jusr do not believe that more tech is the answer but I do think speed limiters would be useful to the implementation of self driving cars which I suspect is why it is being done but it haa to be sold to us as a safety measure.
@@Grumpy-Goblin You are right that 2/3 may well not be excessive speed related. However, it's the other 1/3 that this is focused upon. So we have some 27% that result in death. This has a tremendous cost, not only to those who are left behind emotionally to pick up the pieces but also the financial costs of such an outcome. For those that are killed, the total financial cost can be high but calculated quickly for those that may have to pay (government, insurance etc etc). For those with serious injury (potentially life changing), the costs are astronomical from a healthcare perspective. We in the UK fund that medical care (as you know) through out taxes (I have worked for the NHS in the past) and this cost is truly ginormous when serious collisions occur. And, the NHS does not reclaim these costs through the drivers insurance - so it is totally funded via our tax contribution. Again, the emotional impact to families where someone is in a serious collision is very sad. And it is often life changing for those directly associated to the patient. I suspect that most people adhere to the speed limits of the road (let's say 80%), but the remainder does not. Whilst aimed at all drivers, this implementation is a direct consequence of those who do not adhere to the law. As an extreme example, the following is only one reason why this new tech is being introduced. It may well put some perspective on the rational for this implementation: www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/county-durham-durham-durham-police-chesterlestreet-rotherham-b1169652.html 👍
@@bankruptpensioner perspective is vital in this argument and I would suggest we have to accept that roads are never going to be 100% safe. I just looked up the road miles travelled in 2022 and it was 323.8 billion road miles travelled and out of the stats you provided there were a total of 1711 deaths. I would suggest that is actually quite low compared to the miles travelled. Now every death is important but honestly how many lives do you think these speed limiters are going to save? If you are willing to say that we should do anything including limiting our freedoms to prevent deaths and relieve strain on the NHS then why not just ban motorcycles? That would reduce injury and death far more than speed limiters will.
Mmm - I think you need to look again at the figures - exclude pandemic affect - and accidents fatal are down 3%, and all car accidents have a downward trend over the last decade. Modern cars do have the TFT's (yes, distracting) but they also invariably have autonomous braking on top of the other sthings you mentioned - also auto braking approaching roundabouts, bends, t junctions etc (nothing fancy, VW/Audi/Skoda for instance) plus of course adaptive cruise, lane keeping warning and physical redirection, speed sign recognition and auto speed adjustment. These are incredible functions, of course you can still have an accident - but you've got to work bloody hard at it to have one thats your fault. For the hair shirt brigade, you can turn off every bit of it but frankly - why would you want to? I don't get it - embrace the tech, live a little longer..........
Ahhh....the next instalment to the ISA will be for each car to communicate that speeding has occurred - then you get a ticket through the post along with points on the license. Sorry, but this comes to a town near you in the next instalment 😥
@@michaelfraser5723 are you saying that you should have freedom to break speed limits ? Isn’t that the same as the freedom to choose to drink 10 pints then drive, or freedom to decide to go through red lights. Ridiculous.
I find your arguments quite confusing Richard you keep on mentioning we need to get road deaths down but what you failed to mention is how many of these deaths are speed related. Just how many motorbike accidents are down to speeding, a very few I suggest. I've been knocked off my bike twice, once when I was stationery and a car reversed into me and once when a car came out of a side road without looking, both like most accidents, had nothing to do with speed.
Hi Ian, good to hear from you. Hope the following supports the video message and hope this makes sense. My intention was not to go into the details of the numbers of which are freely available, however below is the statement from ROSPA (Royal Society for the prevention of accidents) based on data from 2022. In essence, based on the total of 'reported' collisions (meaning those that were serious enough that the collision needed to be addressed by the authorities / Police), speeding OR exceeding the speed limit was a factor in a total of 41% (27% (fatal) + 14% (Serious injury)) of all officially reported road collisions. This actually means that the real total number of collisions which are related to excessive speed is higher than 41%. Those beyond 41% do not require the intervention of the Police as these collisions simply become a typical insurance claim between the parties involved AND the parties involved DID NOT require medical intervention. Here is the office ROSPA statement: Why is speeding dangerous? Exceeding the speed limit and travelling too fast for the conditions were assigned by police officers as contributing to 27 per cent of fatal collisions in 2022, as well as 14 per cent of collisions in which a serious injury occurred and 12 per cent of total collisions. In Great Britain in 2022, 303 people were killed in collisions involving someone exceeding the speed limit, with a further 2,180 people seriously injured and 5,648 slightly injured. A further 131 people died when someone was travelling too fast for the conditions. Inappropriate speed also magnifies other driver errors, such as driving too close or driving when tired or distracted, increasing the chances of these types of behaviour causing a collision. Information from the above can be found at the following link: www.rospa.com/policy/road-safety/advice/drivers/speeding
Still not convinced ,is going 22mph in a 20 zone, inappropriate behaviour, is going 75 on a motorway inappropriate not to me. It smells of big brother and a going down a slippery slope to state control.
@@ianhalliwell8604 Ian, found out the next instalment. Most new cars today communicate to high er external systems. This is well known. Using this tech, and if you speed, your car will report you to the authorities that you have been speeding, where a ticket and points will be automatically issued to you. I suspect this will be the start of the end for speed camaras. 😥
As long as they do away with the vehicle license and add the charge as a couple of pence tax on fuel/electricity charging points - pensioners who drive a few hundred miles a year to the shops and back will benefit from paying less, while commercial vehicles, taxis, etc with high millages will pay more. It's a much fairer system.
@bartsimpsonhead2790 never going to happen I doubt, the idiot in charge now has promised too much so he has to get tax from somewhere. Glad to see these EV lovers are going to have to pay road tax soon. Why shouldn't they, with their overweight cars that do more damage to the roads. There again most are blind to the reality. My opinion is that road pricing is yet another way of control. We are no longer a free society. Constantly being watched by cameras and since covid bloody do goodes poking their unwanted noses in.
Well I can look into the future people will make lots of money on a work around. More control you have the rights the government gives you. This is wrong we rule not money grabbing power hungry scumbags.
Unfortunately he is right, driving in Briton is a privilege NOT a right. It's a Right in the USA, but not here. Do I agree with his views? Hell no. For a start he's not telling you the full story. The only way the car can restrict your speed, is by knowing WHERE you are, or reading road signs. Either of which must be gained by the use of a computer of some kind. Do I want a computer controlling my car? Again HELL NO. My PC has crashed many times, programs running on PC's crash frequently. Do we want our car computers to malfunction? I know I don't. As for Motorbikes? He's wrong, if they put this on Motorcycles, motorcycle deaths will INCREASE not decrease. This is NOT a good idea. It would be a much better idea to make driving tests HARDER, eliminating the bad drivers on the road, making road conditions better and SAFER to drive on etc. This type of thinking is the same as "Seatbelts prevent accidents". NO they don't, they may save LIVES in the event of an accident, but they don't stop accidents. Another one is "Speed kills". NO it doesn't, the accident kills, bad driving kills. Get rid of bad drivers, problem solved.
I think it’s an excellent idea. There will be downsides to all technological advancement - just as there was with the Industrial Revolution and the onset of computers etc. the car industry will have to radically change and employment and tax revenues will change with it. I see this as a another technology proving stage on the way to fully autonomous vehicles - can’t come fast enough for me.
It is recommended that both hands are kept on the wheel when you aren't changing gear, operating switches and so on. Also, from a control point of view, holding a steering wheel one handed, low down isn't good practice. At one point, you also let go of the wheel with both hands.
Any driving instructor would point that out, and you'd be failed in a driving test too. If you are going to preach road safety, then best adopt good practices yourself.
You are right, Rule 160. I didn't realise that but I do now. Interesting how we fly aircraft with one hand, but need two hands to drive a car. Thought provoking 👍
People brought this upon themselves, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES.
Michael, why is it that the truth always hurts 😆. Children on the road will play 😆
Does that include you?
@@4Kandlez No accidents for over three decades - Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, Aeroplanes - my question is on that matter, why cannot I claim for 30 years no claims for the insurance 😆
Man airs confused ramble about his right to disobey the law, and proves it by hogging the middle lane.
So, you're talking about road safety, and yet you're there driving on a motorway, constantly taking your hands off the wheel and looking across at your camera. Clearly you're more focused on your video production than the quality of YOUR driving.
I think once ISA is mainstream, insuring a non-ISA enabled vehicle will be costly.
Nice lane discipline you're demonstrating while talking about driving safety....
complains about quality of driving, sits in the middle lane . . . . . . . . .
@@GaryWerbisky as stated in the vid, 50mph, therefore lane 1 closed. Simple logic??
@@bankruptpensioner it wasnt 50 all the way . . . making excuses for mistakes only makes it worse. I agree about quality of drivers but lane disceplin is very important.
@@GaryWerbisky Mmmm....it was 50 - but scepticism is healthy 😆 as long as it doesn't turn onto a science ❤
To be fair, you don't know if he was behind another vehicle at the time.
@@scaryfakevirus there was room to move over as to not lane hog the middle lane . . . . .
Just the other day I encountered a serious accident on a B road, with no other car involved. The front of the car had been massively stoved in and there was grass and muck on the road. My guess is the driver hit a roadside pole at speed, the limit on that stretch is 40. You'd have to ask what caused the driver to leave the road at speed and why were they doing in excess of the limit?
Without any proof you've assumed they were speeding
Go back to your Daily Mail
Hi Johnny, I see this all the time in our countryside roads. Vauxhall Corsa's up the tree. Obviously traveling too fast for the car, conditions, and more so, the capability of the driver. Many people, mostly young, have sadly lost their lives. The impact to the family must have been horrendous. 😥 Good to see a real example in the comments 👍
@@BN1960 experience often brings qualified assumptions in the lack of hard evidence????? 😆
@@BN1960 if you had seen the front end damage it would have been obvious the driver was doing in excess of 40.
Your guess doesn't mean much does it, reality is you have no knowledge of what caused the car to crash but you are falsely stating as fact that excess speed was the cause.
I have ISA on my new car, fortunately it only gives me an audio warning (which I can turn off and now do all the time). The car has a head up display of my speed which I think is more helpful than the ISA system. The big problem with my ISA is that It regularly informs me I’m speeding at 33mph on a 60mph road, speeding at 23mph on a 40mph road, all because it has identified the wrong speed limit on a side road. Worse still, accelerating to 70mph and it picks up a 30mph speed sign. Imagine joining a motorway and accelerating up to 70mph when the car pick up a 30 or 20mph sign to the side of the motorway and the car is slowed to 20mph as you hit traffic travelling at 70mph. If cars are forced to slow down there will be accidents and road rage as there are a lot of morons out in cars.
Hi Chris, yes, I think the tech needs to refined and I do understand the situ you describe. Road rage - yes, this could be an issue 👍
@chrisbwhittle, If the ISA is governed by GPS then it really needs looking at, on my sat nav it bongs away like crazy when I'm on an accelerating lane (slip road ) indicating the speed limit at 30mph, that will be interesting trying to get on the motorway at 30mph 😟
I have a speed limiter on my Audi Q4 and love it. When driving in an unfamiliar area or on a road where the speed limits are up and down like a tarts k.....s and it bristling with speed cameras it takes a load off. Even in normal driving and on motorway temporary limited areas it means i can bang it on and not even bother to look at my dash. At junctions where I know you need to move fast I set it and can then floor the throttle abd let the car sort it out....I just point the car basically. So i thought I would hate it and never use it, I use it loads. It can be disabled and you can notch it up above the limit if you want. Its not infallible sometimes the system sets a lower speed where temporary speed limits have been removed. But you just knock it off.
Hi Alex, I control my speed with the cruise. See a 30, cruise on to that speed. See 40, exactly the same process. In the big picture, managing the correct speed easily is a good thing.
The sooner the better HGVs have had speed limiters for years my father ran a haulage company he said the fuel bills dropped when the limiters were introduced this would be massive if on all vehicles and bring fuel prices down. People will get used to it
I agree, people will get used to it :)
You have every right, providing you don't do harm to anyone else. It's a human right to travel where ever you like on public land. What covid was that then?
All roads in the UK are built with Taxpayers money as no government or council has any money of their own! To say that motorists have no right to use any of the roads they have paid for is completely wrong! Every taxpayer in the country has as much right to use the roads as all others! The Constitution of Magna Carta 1215 states clearly that every individual has the right to travel where, when and how they like without let or hindrance! We also have the right to go as fast as we please as long as it does not endanger any-other users at that time! Doing 150mph in an E type Jaguar at 5 o'clock in the morning on a vehicle free M6 in the middle of summer should be allowed as nobody is being harmed or endangered! The main reason for speed limits is purely to protect the stupid in society!
Of all the fatal road accidents in the country, how many were traveling over the declared speed limit for that road? How many were due to drink driving? & how many due to mobile phone use? Or changing the channel on a radio etc? I regularly traveled the length of the country and the most accidents I encountered were at slow speed at or near junctions where a lack of foresight and anticipation were the prime causes! People miss judging the speed of vehicles in front of them and then ploughing into the rear of these slower vehicles. None of them actually doing in excess of the speed limits
Hi John, it's not about slow speed in town accidents. It's about reducing the death and serious injury numbers of excessive speed collisions.
You need it... when I drive my main priority is, driving. Not talking nonsense
we all need it - humans generally speaking are galactically stupid, that's why aliens don't visit this crazy planet 😆. You are right, I should be concentrating on driving, just like when piloting and aeroplane on final approach. The cockpit has lots of conversation right down to the when the the engines are shut down on the apron. It's quite natural to me, hence not many pilots in the world, relatively speaking. Most people simply cannot multitask ✈. And, the shorts you see on UA-cam with young ladies with four strips landing an aeroplane in complete silence is absolute nonsense, it just ain't like that 😆. And, you are right, it's nonsense - but that said, everything on planet Earth (from a human perspective) is absolute nonsense. Hope you found this response funny, you should have ❤ , if not, sorry 👍
Making carefully researched video documentaries at the wheel is risky, subjective UA-cam blurts less so.
There needs to be better and more consistent road signage. For example, my car already picks up the 40mph reminder signs for lorries on the local A road. Slowing from 60 to 40 ain't great. Get the signage sorted before they do this please.
It is LONG SINCE TIME that cars had limiters. Why pay for police to enforce (rather patchily) a law that can simply be achieved by adding a couple of lines of code to the computer in every modern car? Software, once written, is basically free, we've been solving real world problems with lovely cheap software for decades. UNLESS everyone's whinge is that now they can't break the law? Well tough. If you want higher speed limits elect a government that agrees with you....can't?.... well there's a reason for that - you're wrong.
Where is the problem? Perhaps someone can clarify why not exceeding the speed limit in normal circumstances is a problem?
From NCS website….
Speeding was a factor in 29% of all traffic fatalities in 2022, killing 12,151, or an average of over 33 people on a typical day. The total number of fatal motor-vehicle crashes attributable to speeding was 10,922. A crash is considered speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was indicated as a contributing factor in the crash.
2022 speeding related deaths decreased by 2.8%, following two consecutive years of increases. The percent of deaths involving speeding (29%) is above the historic low set in 2019 when 26% of deaths involved speeding. Speeding-related deaths increased 19% in 2020 and another 9% in 2021, resulting in the most deaths recorded since 2007. 85.
Hi Wooly.......now that is the right question 👍😆
Is he for real? I think he has been programmed by big brother.
😆, I am Big Brother 😆
50 mph is not a motorway,its a country lane
Don't know where you get the idea that we have no rights on the road, I'm sure you would like that to be the case but it's simply not true.
I guess it is the understanding of the use of the word 'right' - but it is true by law or in court. You would not be able to say it was my right - as the judge would say you have no right. Intersting some what :)
My biggest question is what is the limiter set at? In America, we have speed limits from 5mph all the way up to 75mph. In an emergency situation, you may need to get away from something. Has happened to me in the past. I can only see this as a positive thing for someone with a heavy foot who never looks at the dashboard. Without mentioning names, I can think of a few. This would keep them out of trouble and save your engine.
Limit is not set at anything... The limiter is continuously doing surveillance tracking exactly where you are and force you to drive at the local speed limit.
@@a64738 I’ve seen plenty of Tesla videos where the car had the speed limit wrong.
@@a64738 this is where duct tape comes in handy
@@a64738 That's not the question. In an emergency situation such as a lone female driver being pursued by a car full of gang bangers who's car is not speed limited, how fast will she be able to drive? If her car wont go faster than 30mph she's toast
Can't wait... imagine all of us who suddenly hear pinging and wonder what s going on meanwhile the cars slows down to safe speed.... all for it 😂😂😂
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Did you really think that they weren't planning this? All the tech is in the road surfaces and on gantries already, yet the rich will be able to OVER RIDE THIS TECH.
next instalment - the car will report you for speeding to the authorities. That comes in a year or two.
Not just the rich, software can be overridden and modified, plenty of clever people out there. I wouldn't worry about it, it's not going to happen anyway
I won't be buying a new car then
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I'm totally flabbergasted at the comment that I just posted and was censored.
I am incredulous at the nature of the concern that is embodied in the action of censorship.
Be careful out there. All is not what it seems.
@@andyash5675 that’s interesting Andy. Not sure why that would be as I have no limitations on comments. Are you sure?
@@bankruptpensioner Absolutely. I'm always a little citric, but no swearing. What I'm surprised at is that the censor is active on this subject. It says a lot.
He has it wrong. The lack of skills by drivers is because the modern cars do just about all the driving for you. Lane departure warning, collision avoidance, rear traffic clearance-all teaches you that you don’t have to look. The car does everything for you. So when these systems break, you’ll have a completely inexperienced driver
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Mmmmm........not sure you are completely right on that one. A car does not drive itself completely. It does need a driver - even a distracted driver 😆
@@bankruptpensioner agreed but with all “driver assistance “ technology, it takes what little skills they had away
@@grazz7865 you are right, but a question is - did they have the correct skills in the first place on the understanding that when you pass your driving license test, that is when you really start to learn how to drive.
@@bankruptpensioner and the understanding that once you pass, you never have to worry about it ever again in your life
OMG what an awful man - Pink Floyd The Wall comes to mind - "if you don't eat your meat you cant have any pudding - how can you have pudding if you don't eat your meat.
How ironic, I have a flash up of PF Dark side of moon on my next video. Great minds think alike :)
You do not need a licence to be on a public road, if you ride a horse or a bicycle or are on foot, only if you are in or on a motor vehicle.
Thanks for being explicit John, good call 👍
Who cares anyway! Driving in the UK is generally an unpleasant experience now. And who even wants to drive fast on the motorway? There’s never room for it. In London all you ever do is sit in road works. There isn’t a compelling reason to own a car now in London.
That is a good point Norman however, outside London, the roads can be great. I am fortunate and live in the countryside and the roads are wonderful. However, they do have potholes and sheep in the middle of the road - can't be all perfect 😆
Thanks for replying, Sir. I don’t assume to be accurate in my comments. I do find driving has become too difficult in London but that may not be your experience in the countryside.
1984.
tell me about it 😆
It is always amusing how people think they have a god-given right to do certain things. The best one is "I pay my car tax, I can go where I like" 😂
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So what's stopping you going where you like?
ISA could have both positive and negative implications. I don't think speed is always a bad thing and can sometimes help to avoid accidents say when overtaking or pulling away from a junction. You said the limiter will allow for temporary increased acceleration but what was not know is for how long? For example how does the car know when you are free from the hazard?
ISA would be more understandable if it wasn't for the fact that speed limits in UK have lost credibility. A speed limit posted on the side of the road is not the safe maximum speed that can be travelled at any moment in time, with a myriad of factors that would influence it but the real point of concern is where a speed limit is determined by political pressure and not because there is a need (usually) for a lower limit. It has been confirmed to me by several highways design engineers that around 50% of all applications to reduce speed limits are brought forward under political pressure.
The new EU derived directive only applies to new cars after 7th July 2024 and therefore there are millions of vehicles on UK roads that don't have them and therefore why should a minority have to be restricted? Its bound to cause resentment. Also, adding yet more 'safety' features to cars to control the way we drive will invariably mean that driving standards will decline further as the vehicle shows the driver is irrelevant.
So you argue that accidents are being increased by people being distracted by tech in vehicles (not providing any evidence for this claim) but then you argue that the answer to the mass of distracting tech is more tech. I don't have the stats but I would guess that far more accidents are caused by people making bad judgements on overtakes or at junctions and I wouldn't mind betting that those far outweigh the number of accidents caused directly by excess speed. How is a speed limiter going to stop someone pulling out in front of you from a side road? How is it going to stop anyone from switching lanes without indicating? We have had speed limiters on lorries for years so a question exists there, has speed limiters on lorries reduced the number of accidents with lorries (I doubt it has had a significant impact). In fact what we have seen with speed limited lorries is an increase in lane blocking because on lorry overtaking another lorry takes forever and we see lines of lorries all travelling at the same speed blocking an entire lane for miles. I'm all in favour of improving road safety but I can see no evidence that this will increase safety by any significant degree.
The biggest one I see almost every day here in Spain is people messaging on their phones, veering across the lane, sometimes encroaching on to the oncoming lane like a drunk driver. I've also been in vehicles as a passenger where the driver is on whatsapp constantly, one of which was the driver my break down recovery truck.
Hi Grumpy, I did state that I wouldn't go into the details but I have now stated the facts (2022 numbers) in Ian's question in his comment. Please have a look. You are right that poor decisions are the main factor in collisions however, collisions are on the increase regardless of speed. Therefore, something has changed. So what has changed? Well, the cabin has certainly changed, number 1. Smartphones have changed the environment in the cabin - surely you must agree on this. Therefore, with overcomplicated controls in the cabin and smartphones in hand, one could say the increase in collisions is distraction - leading to poor decision making.
All the numbers for 2022 are on the following website. Nothing winds me up more than a nanny state however, the rising numbers dictate that 'we' need to be controlled in our vehicles as people are doing what they should not be doing - which in this case is excessive speed.
www.rospa.com/policy/road-safety/advice/drivers/speeding
@@bankruptpensioner So that stats on the link you provided actually say that 2/3 of accidents occur on roads with speed limits of 30m.ph or less which would indicate that speed is not the problem. If people are distracted or not paying attention then speed limiters will not stop them pulling out or hitting the car infront. In fact I would suggest that the stats would indicate that the answer is less tech not more. My own car has touch screen nonsense which is very distracting. When you drive a car regularly with old fashioned switches and knobs you develop muscle memory so you can do everything without distraction but that never happens when you have to touch things on a screen it is a constant distraction. I jusr do not believe that more tech is the answer but I do think speed limiters would be useful to the implementation of self driving cars which I suspect is why it is being done but it haa to be sold to us as a safety measure.
@@Grumpy-Goblin You are right that 2/3 may well not be excessive speed related. However, it's the other 1/3 that this is focused upon. So we have some 27% that result in death. This has a tremendous cost, not only to those who are left behind emotionally to pick up the pieces but also the financial costs of such an outcome. For those that are killed, the total financial cost can be high but calculated quickly for those that may have to pay (government, insurance etc etc). For those with serious injury (potentially life changing), the costs are astronomical from a healthcare perspective. We in the UK fund that medical care (as you know) through out taxes (I have worked for the NHS in the past) and this cost is truly ginormous when serious collisions occur. And, the NHS does not reclaim these costs through the drivers insurance - so it is totally funded via our tax contribution. Again, the emotional impact to families where someone is in a serious collision is very sad. And it is often life changing for those directly associated to the patient.
I suspect that most people adhere to the speed limits of the road (let's say 80%), but the remainder does not. Whilst aimed at all drivers, this implementation is a direct consequence of those who do not adhere to the law.
As an extreme example, the following is only one reason why this new tech is being introduced. It may well put some perspective on the rational for this implementation:
www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/county-durham-durham-durham-police-chesterlestreet-rotherham-b1169652.html
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@@bankruptpensioner perspective is vital in this argument and I would suggest we have to accept that roads are never going to be 100% safe. I just looked up the road miles travelled in 2022 and it was 323.8 billion road miles travelled and out of the stats you provided there were a total of 1711 deaths. I would suggest that is actually quite low compared to the miles travelled. Now every death is important but honestly how many lives do you think these speed limiters are going to save? If you are willing to say that we should do anything including limiting our freedoms to prevent deaths and relieve strain on the NHS then why not just ban motorcycles? That would reduce injury and death far more than speed limiters will.
Mmm - I think you need to look again at the figures - exclude pandemic affect - and accidents fatal are down 3%, and all car accidents have a downward trend over the last decade. Modern cars do have the TFT's (yes, distracting) but they also invariably have autonomous braking on top of the other sthings you mentioned - also auto braking approaching roundabouts, bends, t junctions etc (nothing fancy, VW/Audi/Skoda for instance) plus of course adaptive cruise, lane keeping warning and physical redirection, speed sign recognition and auto speed adjustment. These are incredible functions, of course you can still have an accident - but you've got to work bloody hard at it to have one thats your fault. For the hair shirt brigade, you can turn off every bit of it but frankly - why would you want to? I don't get it - embrace the tech, live a little longer..........
Not so good for the government revenue on speeding fines. Will be loosing millions up on millions. All the speeding cameras redundant too.
Like freedom, to not break speed limits.
Ahhh....the next instalment to the ISA will be for each car to communicate that speeding has occurred - then you get a ticket through the post along with points on the license. Sorry, but this comes to a town near you in the next instalment 😥
@@michaelfraser5723 are you saying that you should have freedom to break speed limits ? Isn’t that the same as the freedom to choose to drink 10 pints then drive, or freedom to decide to go through red lights. Ridiculous.
I find your arguments quite confusing Richard you keep on mentioning we need to get road deaths down but what you failed to mention is how many of these deaths are speed related. Just how many motorbike accidents are down to speeding, a very few I suggest. I've been knocked off my bike twice, once when I was stationery and a car reversed into me and once when a car came out of a side road without looking, both like most accidents, had nothing to do with speed.
Hi Ian, good to hear from you. Hope the following supports the video message and hope this makes sense. My intention was not to go into the details of the numbers of which are freely available, however below is the statement from ROSPA (Royal Society for the prevention of accidents) based on data from 2022. In essence, based on the total of 'reported' collisions (meaning those that were serious enough that the collision needed to be addressed by the authorities / Police), speeding OR exceeding the speed limit was a factor in a total of 41% (27% (fatal) + 14% (Serious injury)) of all officially reported road collisions. This actually means that the real total number of collisions which are related to excessive speed is higher than 41%. Those beyond 41% do not require the intervention of the Police as these collisions simply become a typical insurance claim between the parties involved AND the parties involved DID NOT require medical intervention.
Here is the office ROSPA statement:
Why is speeding dangerous?
Exceeding the speed limit and travelling too fast for the conditions were assigned by police officers as contributing to 27 per cent of fatal collisions in 2022, as well as 14 per cent of collisions in which a serious injury occurred and 12 per cent of total collisions.
In Great Britain in 2022, 303 people were killed in collisions involving someone exceeding the speed limit, with a further 2,180 people seriously injured and 5,648 slightly injured. A further 131 people died when someone was travelling too fast for the conditions.
Inappropriate speed also magnifies other driver errors, such as driving too close or driving when tired or distracted, increasing the chances of these types of behaviour causing a collision.
Information from the above can be found at the following link:
www.rospa.com/policy/road-safety/advice/drivers/speeding
Still not convinced ,is going 22mph in a 20 zone, inappropriate behaviour, is going 75 on a motorway inappropriate not to me. It smells of big brother and a going down a slippery slope to state control.
@@ianhalliwell8604 Ian, found out the next instalment. Most new cars today communicate to high er external systems. This is well known. Using this tech, and if you speed, your car will report you to the authorities that you have been speeding, where a ticket and points will be automatically issued to you. I suspect this will be the start of the end for speed camaras. 😥
I'm more concerned about the pay by mile thats around the corner than this
Not if you have an EV
Pay per mile is better all round and more equitable for users.
As long as they do away with the vehicle license and add the charge as a couple of pence tax on fuel/electricity charging points - pensioners who drive a few hundred miles a year to the shops and back will benefit from paying less, while commercial vehicles, taxis, etc with high millages will pay more. It's a much fairer system.
@bartsimpsonhead2790 never going to happen I doubt, the idiot in charge now has promised too much so he has to get tax from somewhere. Glad to see these EV lovers are going to have to pay road tax soon. Why shouldn't they, with their overweight cars that do more damage to the roads. There again most are blind to the reality.
My opinion is that road pricing is yet another way of control. We are no longer a free society. Constantly being watched by cameras and since covid bloody do goodes poking their unwanted noses in.
Well I can look into the future people will make lots of money on a work around. More control you have the rights the government gives you. This is wrong we rule not money grabbing power hungry scumbags.
Way back in the 1700s, it was agreed not to allow the government too much power. That’s apparently out the window
It is a bit of big brother 😥
Unfortunately he is right, driving in Briton is a privilege NOT a right. It's a Right in the USA, but not here. Do I agree with his views? Hell no. For a start he's not telling you the full story. The only way the car can restrict your speed, is by knowing WHERE you are, or reading road signs. Either of which must be gained by the use of a computer of some kind. Do I want a computer controlling my car? Again HELL NO. My PC has crashed many times, programs running on PC's crash frequently. Do we want our car computers to malfunction? I know I don't.
As for Motorbikes? He's wrong, if they put this on Motorcycles, motorcycle deaths will INCREASE not decrease.
This is NOT a good idea. It would be a much better idea to make driving tests HARDER, eliminating the bad drivers on the road, making road conditions better and SAFER to drive on etc. This type of thinking is the same as "Seatbelts prevent accidents". NO they don't, they may save LIVES in the event of an accident, but they don't stop accidents. Another one is "Speed kills". NO it doesn't, the accident kills, bad driving kills. Get rid of bad drivers, problem solved.
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big brother is never good.do as you are told
Ya know what - don't buy one
Not a difficult concept really
Brilliant video. What you said is true.
Hi Grumpy, you are one of the few that have been positive on the video :) Many thanks :)
I think it’s an excellent idea. There will be downsides to all technological advancement - just as there was with the Industrial Revolution and the onset of computers etc. the car industry will have to radically change and employment and tax revenues will change with it. I see this as a another technology proving stage on the way to fully autonomous vehicles - can’t come fast enough for me.
A voice of vision, well done Andy 😆
Thank God Big Brother is here to keep us safe ,,,,,,