More interesting than everyone's on-paper distance from the lordship is how it will change in the inevitable Frey civil war. If all the Lannister Freys congregate around Riverrun, the Crakehall Freys at Darry and the Rosby Freys at Rosby, that drastically reduces the number of branches even *attempting* to vie for the Twins, and BWB lynchings, infighting and assassinations could whittle those numbers down quickly. (I also quite like the idea that at some point we'll see rival branches controlling each of the twin castles). IMO the very fact that someone so hopelessly far from inheriting the title has stated his ambition to do so makes it narratively all-but-guaranteed to come true, even if only for five minutes.
My headcanon for Theo Frey is that he is just some guy who wanted to attend the tourney and was like. I'm just gonna say my name is Frey it's not like anyone really knows how all the Freys are related. Also incredible video
17:19 reminder that this is not a true Rat Cook moment because A: Manderly only killed the Freys after they had left his hospitality, and B: Manderly never eats food in Winterfell that he didn't bring himself, meaning he can't violate guest right because he never accepted it!
I mean not really, primogeniture really doesnt like the female line until any male heir lingers. Though if her father claims the lordship and no son of his survives, maybe then she could inherit.
Luwin: My lords, your uncle Ser Stevron Frey was among those who lost their lives at Oxcross. He took a wound in the battle, Robb writes. It was not thought to be serious, but three days later he died in his tent, asleep. Big Walder: He was very old. Five-and-sixty, I think. Too old for battles. He was always saying he was tired. Little Walder: Tired of waiting for our grandfather to die, you mean. Does this mean Ser Emmon's the heir now? Big Walder: Don't be stupid. The sons of the first son come before the second son. Ser Ryman is next in line, and then Edwyn and Black Walder and Petyr Pimple. And then Aegon and all his sons. Little Walder: Ryman is old too. Past forty, I bet. And he has a bad belly. Do you think he'll be lord? Big Walder: I'll be lord. I don't care if he is. Luwin: You ought to be ashamed of such talk, my lords. Where is your grief? Your uncle is dead. Little Walder: Yes. We're very sad. -Luwin, Big Walder Frey, and Little Walder Frey
In the ultimate show of "the more things change, the more they stay the same", the series will end with Lord (Big) Walder Frey ruling the Crossing after getting a pardon from the King (Stannis) for helping kill the Lord of Winterfell (Ramsay) via subterfuge. Mark my words, the grindset will continue.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Greatjon Umber? Guy really outdrank 3 drunkards whose sole purpose during the Red Wedding was to make him insanely drunk and then, when eight (!) people came at him to try and subdue him, took the sword of the first guy and proceeded to kill one attacker, wound two others and bite off half the ear of another guy.
We can say a lot of things about the Red Wedding, but the northmen being lined up for slaughter is not one of them; they all fought like beasts before going down which is the most heartbreaking part of those chapters for me.
@@NoCryinRyan despite some brave stands by some of them the others were just straight up slaughtered because they simply stood no chance they were unarmed, drunk and didn't see the betrayal coming.
My head canon is that Theo Frey is like Walder's (the lord) great nephew. It would make sense if there was a lesser branch of house Frey from Walder's potential younger siblings. They aren't in the main branch, so they aren't worth mentioning. That or George wrote a handful of Frey's in 1994 and paat 2000 just forgot about one of them and inseatd of shoe horning him in in book 4, he jusy pretended he didn’t exist.
Had Robb Stark kept his promise of marrying Roslin Frey all of the future Stark descendants would be in laws and cousins with the Freys of the Crossing Imagine the awkward family gatherings that will ensue
By the name of the seven. It is impressive enough to look into the entirety of Walder Frey's line but actually considering their line of succesion to the Crossing as well? Marvelous work.
A slight mistake at 19:28, it was Wyman's second son, Wendel, that was murdered during the Red Wedding and the one who Jared claimed to have died protecting Lord Frey, not Wyllis, who is alive and returned to his lord father.
I want Alisander to travel to Lys, meet up with Marwin, and just hang out. I want a short story/mini-series with these two having wholesome adventures in Essos until they return to find out they are the last two Freys left. I want this NOW!
@@josephbulkin9222yeah, on a more serious note, a lot of the money-grubbing characters are scummy, but the alternative of slaughtering people to take their liege's land isn't really better.
That's very funny coming from an orphan from Flea Bottom who rose to be a King's Guard. Unless Dunk was saying that as either a demonstration of companionship, or to counter their arrogance.
@@marcospatricio8283 Dunk did so with honour and not extortion unlike House Frey. He always tried to do the right thing and that is reflected in his brotherly bond towards Prince Egg when he is his squire and when he serves him as the new monarch, King Aegon V.
Great video, per usual Haven! Been waiting with glee for this one. Personally, I would say Stevron is my favorit Frey, simply because he's the perfect ironical (and I bloody love irony) twist when it comes to house Frey: one of the few descent guys in the family who seemingly didn't inherit anything bad from his prick of a father except his looks is first in line to inherit everything, and then mysteriously dies and leaves everything to his prick of an eldest son and in his turn two of his prick sons. The irony is tragic but also almost as delectable as the "pork" pies they make up in White Harbor.
I reckon Big Walder Frey will be captured fighting against Stannis and then will be used as a puppet lord claimant for the Twins by Stannis/Wyman’s forces and so will finally fulfil his ambitions of becoming Lord of the Crossing.
My great grandfather passed with 107 Great-Grandchildren. It ended up at 132 .. don't think anymore are coming now that our parents are in their 70s and 80s .. but Walder gives me hope I may have a new cousin one of these days
On one hand it is very interesting that one house in this series has so many characters with so many relations with one another and so many stories that could be told about each of them On the other hand it explains why Gurm is willing to kill so many characters, why some of them barely get any details and why the books have been taking a long time
Big Walder my favorite. Crazy video. One thing about the Freys that bothers me is that GRRM missed an obvious and fun Frey branch: Bracken-Freys. They naturally would hate the Blackwood-Freys and these two branches of the family trying to one-up the other would have been real cool. Brackens tend to be big and brutish, so all he had to do was make the Crakehall-Freys Brackens-Freys, which would make Little Walder a Bracken grandson and Big Walder a Blackwood grandson (and fit GRRM's theme of Blackwoods being good, Brackens being chumps).
While I would like to see Bracken-Freys and Blackwood-Freys, you can't have Big Walder and Little Walder be part of it since they can't be at each other's throats all the time since they have to spend time together.
17:46 the English name John isn’t necessarily a shortening, it derived from the Latin Ioannes. So it would stand to reason that Jon exists as a name in Westeros that isn’t necessarily short for anything either
LORD HAVEN HAS DONE IT 🥹, HIS WINDS IS HERE 🏰🌊, Now you all need to do is ask Quinn when he’s free so you can rank them all in a livestream. This was incredible! Thank you Lord Haven, I wish you the best and hope you get better soon ❤️🩹. My Favourite Frey is either Ami or Olyvar, depends on the day. But today, 15th November, shall forever be remembered as FREYDAY! HAPPY FREYDAY TO ALL!!!
The oldest Rosby-Frey, Perwyn, is also in line to inherit the wealthy lordship of Rosby, he might be one of the strongest contenders now that the Rosby line is gone.
So if anything would had gone according to plan wich almost did ,than the Freys will have the castles of : Twins Riverrun Darry Rosby White Harbour One frey would be the high septon And females frey would be lady paramount of the North and the Westerlands Now I see why Walder did the Red Wedding
Love it! Amazing video! Damn, the work that went into this! Honestly I can remember like nine Frays from the main books, and that’s including the Late Lord Fray
Which Frey is your favourite?
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Olyvar clears
Little Walder, The Frey Who Never Was
Black Walder Frey, dude is a unit, so great of a warrior, even the Blackfish fears to face him.
At this point I’m starting to think that Jon Snow is actually a secret Frey. Seems like every third person on Westeros is a Frey by some way!
I love that Rhaegar Frey named his son Robert
Kiss ass has to kiss someone’s ass. Bet Robert Frey named his kid Joffrey.
You can bet George was giggling to himself when he wrote that.
@Southern_Crusader George will probably have Robert have twin daughters named Rhaenys and Myrcella
@@caesar0frome950 They probably have a Mance Frey too
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134Stannis Frey just to hedge his bets! 😂
he did , he actually did.....
By the Old Gods he has done it!
Fantasy Haven: "I did it?"
@@silentnight6810 he indeed did it
@@SirBoggins by the old and new gods he has done it!
That crazy bastard i cant believe it
This will age like Lysa's milk when George adds 50 new Freys in Winds.
Those are Rookie numbers George gonna add atleast 500 more freys~🗿
@@alfieingrouille1528 Let's say 50 per chapter.
Theo Frey POV chapter incoming intoducing us to the Frey cadet branches not decended from Walder
@@status_quo_post Yes~🗿
I am expecting all of these Freys will arrive as 11th hour reinforcements saving some battle 😂
"last seen apie" - my new favourite catchphrase
Glidus really did a number on our collective sanity
More than a dacade of waiting will mess up a community. That is why I love it.
Even I got that joke!
It was So good.
@@johnfraire6931 Unironically, the biggest cultural shift in the fandom since GoT ended.
At this point, dude knows more Freys than any people in Westeros. Even Walder Frey cant continue to track.
This needs to be a pinned comment lol very much so!!!
"Why does this man have such deep lore?" That had me burst out laughing. Merrit can never catch a break.
"the future lord of the crossing is 51st in line"
He might get ahead by marrying his cousin who is 2nd in line. He’ll be lord consort, hehe.
@ no he’s going to personally kill fifty people
Walder the unlikely
More interesting than everyone's on-paper distance from the lordship is how it will change in the inevitable Frey civil war. If all the Lannister Freys congregate around Riverrun, the Crakehall Freys at Darry and the Rosby Freys at Rosby, that drastically reduces the number of branches even *attempting* to vie for the Twins, and BWB lynchings, infighting and assassinations could whittle those numbers down quickly. (I also quite like the idea that at some point we'll see rival branches controlling each of the twin castles).
IMO the very fact that someone so hopelessly far from inheriting the title has stated his ambition to do so makes it narratively all-but-guaranteed to come true, even if only for five minutes.
Walder is literally me when i play CK3
Do you realize how little that narrows it down?
Alright which one
I always do too well with my first character, live to my 80s and then play as a bunch of 50-60 year old heirs for the rest of the game
@@Talesfromthefoodofficial Me playing Robert Baratheon after ditching Cersei. The herculean trait is just too OP.
I absolutely choose to believe that Dacey Mormont killed a man with a single blow to the head with a wine flaggon
Rip the she bear
My headcanon for Theo Frey is that he is just some guy who wanted to attend the tourney and was like. I'm just gonna say my name is Frey it's not like anyone really knows how all the Freys are related.
Also incredible video
😂
My dude just completed his Phd in Freys.
17:19 reminder that this is not a true Rat Cook moment because A: Manderly only killed the Freys after they had left his hospitality, and B: Manderly never eats food in Winterfell that he didn't bring himself, meaning he can't violate guest right because he never accepted it!
Gotta love technicalities.
Lord Too Fat To Sit A Horse playing 5D Cyvass
Yeah, his protection expired when he gifted Freys the horses. After that they were no longer under Guest Right.
That man is brilliant but also unhinged.
Crazy that Gatehouse Ami would inherit the twins long before Big Walder would even get to be a single-digits-heir
I mean not really, primogeniture really doesnt like the female line until any male heir lingers. Though if her father claims the lordship and no son of his survives, maybe then she could inherit.
@ fair enough, I meant it only in the hypothetical fully lawful scenario that Fantasy Haven went with
@@Jonkuzon Yeah I mean Westeros is not really feudal medieval europe so you might be right.
Now we know why TWOW is taking so long, George has to keep track of the movements of all these accursed fucking Freys
Your hand probably hurts from all the drawing. Here take this to get a bottle of Maple Syrup.
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my liege
The king in the north
We got Every Frey explained before GTA 6.
Before Winds of Winter too actually
@@julienneter6759 Inb4 we get WoW before GTA6 or vice versa.
*Proton decay* is going to start before either get released
Wow what an original Joke your so cool man
Wow you are so funny and original!
Jingle Bell was suprisingly high in the succession
Oh my God, the madman did it
"last seen a-pie" absolutely sent me
THE VIDEO THAT WAS PROMISED!
Fantasy Haven Ahai
For you this the equivalent of GRRM finally finishing WoW. Congratulations excellent video.
Luwin: My lords, your uncle Ser Stevron Frey was among those who lost their lives at Oxcross. He took a wound in the battle, Robb writes. It was not thought to be serious, but three days later he died in his tent, asleep.
Big Walder: He was very old. Five-and-sixty, I think. Too old for battles. He was always saying he was tired.
Little Walder: Tired of waiting for our grandfather to die, you mean. Does this mean Ser Emmon's the heir now?
Big Walder: Don't be stupid. The sons of the first son come before the second son. Ser Ryman is next in line, and then Edwyn and Black Walder and Petyr Pimple. And then Aegon and all his sons.
Little Walder: Ryman is old too. Past forty, I bet. And he has a bad belly. Do you think he'll be lord?
Big Walder: I'll be lord. I don't care if he is.
Luwin: You ought to be ashamed of such talk, my lords. Where is your grief? Your uncle is dead.
Little Walder: Yes. We're very sad.
-Luwin, Big Walder Frey, and Little Walder Frey
“Yes. We’re very sad 🫢”
What a very clever way of explaining how succession works in Westeros.
@gavinsmith9871 😋
27:38 first time I've ever heard anything wholesome about the Boltons
Young Domeric Bolton.
In the ultimate show of "the more things change, the more they stay the same", the series will end with Lord (Big) Walder Frey ruling the Crossing after getting a pardon from the King (Stannis) for helping kill the Lord of Winterfell (Ramsay) via subterfuge.
Mark my words, the grindset will continue.
hell yes.
I don't expect any male Frey have a hint of power at the end of the story...
It is fascinating that George doesn't simply say there are 50 Freys but gives nearly all of them interesting bits of story and background
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Greatjon Umber? Guy really outdrank 3 drunkards whose sole purpose during the Red Wedding was to make him insanely drunk and then, when eight (!) people came at him to try and subdue him, took the sword of the first guy and proceeded to kill one attacker, wound two others and bite off half the ear of another guy.
Absolute Unit of a man.
The Greatjon is a beast. If he were a little younger, imagine the genes if he'd married one of the Mormont women!
We can say a lot of things about the Red Wedding, but the northmen being lined up for slaughter is not one of them; they all fought like beasts before going down which is the most heartbreaking part of those chapters for me.
@@NoCryinRyan despite some brave stands by some of them the others were just straight up slaughtered because they simply stood no chance they were unarmed, drunk and didn't see the betrayal coming.
Now so a Smash or Pass with every Frey (It’s what your fans want)
Agreed. Gatehouse Ami needs to be in the top 10 at least!
Honestly - Fat Walda Frey. She seems like a genuenly nice person. So Smash.
I would clap Gatehouse Ami out of her sandals 🤤
Don’t forget a tier list. They always do good numbers
@@introvertedspider4857Smash her as hard as Robert's warhammer did Rhaegar's ruby-laden armor.
My head canon is that Theo Frey is like Walder's (the lord) great nephew. It would make sense if there was a lesser branch of house Frey from Walder's potential younger siblings. They aren't in the main branch, so they aren't worth mentioning.
That or George wrote a handful of Frey's in 1994 and paat 2000 just forgot about one of them and inseatd of shoe horning him in in book 4, he jusy pretended he didn’t exist.
Had Robb Stark kept his promise of marrying Roslin Frey all of the future Stark descendants would be in laws and cousins with the Freys of the Crossing
Imagine the awkward family gatherings that will ensue
By the name of the seven. It is impressive enough to look into the entirety of Walder Frey's line but actually considering their line of succesion to the Crossing as well? Marvelous work.
Those Freys were so brave cutting down all those unarmed and drunken men... Duncan the Tall and Arthur Dayne would be proud.
“Had he lived he would have grown up to be a Frey”
Missed including one of the best lines by Wyman
A slight mistake at 19:28, it was Wyman's second son, Wendel, that was murdered during the Red Wedding and the one who Jared claimed to have died protecting Lord Frey, not Wyllis, who is alive and returned to his lord father.
I want Alisander to travel to Lys, meet up with Marwin, and just hang out. I want a short story/mini-series with these two having wholesome adventures in Essos until they return to find out they are the last two Freys left. I want this NOW!
MY LORD HAVEN FINALLY. THE PROMISED DAY HAS ARRIVED.
"The Freys of the Crossing were no nobler than the Butterwells. They owned a bridge instead of cows, that was the only difference."
-Dunk the Lunk
There is no shame in making money.
@@josephbulkin9222yeah, on a more serious note, a lot of the money-grubbing characters are scummy, but the alternative of slaughtering people to take their liege's land isn't really better.
That's very funny coming from an orphan from Flea Bottom who rose to be a King's Guard.
Unless Dunk was saying that as either a demonstration of companionship, or to counter their arrogance.
@@marcospatricio8283 Dunk did so with honour and not extortion unlike House Frey. He always tried to do the right thing and that is reflected in his brotherly bond towards Prince Egg when he is his squire and when he serves him as the new monarch, King Aegon V.
Great video, per usual Haven! Been waiting with glee for this one.
Personally, I would say Stevron is my favorit Frey, simply because he's the perfect ironical (and I bloody love irony) twist when it comes to house Frey: one of the few descent guys in the family who seemingly didn't inherit anything bad from his prick of a father except his looks is first in line to inherit everything, and then mysteriously dies and leaves everything to his prick of an eldest son and in his turn two of his prick sons. The irony is tragic but also almost as delectable as the "pork" pies they make up in White Harbor.
Something deeply funny about Rhaegar naming his son Robert
We’re going to be here for a while guys
This is what waiting for TWOW for 13 years does to a person. Good job sir, well done!!!!
I mean this with love... every time I watch this I fall asleep… this is my fourth go at it.
At last, every frey explained. it's like watching the wind of winter. congratulation haven its a masterpiece.
The Late Lord Haven delivers. 🏰🏰
the one piece of media more anticipated than TWOW
Finally, just in time to watch while I eat the pie my mom just cooked
are your siblings still alive?
@@mum-your ñom ñom ñom ñom😊
A glorious masterpiece
Thank you Lord Haven and Happy Frey Friday Everyone!!!!!!!
I admire your mental state and durability after this video
26:00 I ask this to myself for every ASOIAF character to be honest
I reckon Big Walder Frey will be captured fighting against Stannis and then will be used as a puppet lord claimant for the Twins by Stannis/Wyman’s forces and so will finally fulfil his ambitions of becoming Lord of the Crossing.
My great grandfather passed with 107 Great-Grandchildren. It ended up at 132 .. don't think anymore are coming now that our parents are in their 70s and 80s .. but Walder gives me hope I may have a new cousin one of these days
Ahhh the Freystravaganza was worth the watch of the whole video
On one hand it is very interesting that one house in this series has so many characters with so many relations with one another and so many stories that could be told about each of them
On the other hand it explains why Gurm is willing to kill so many characters, why some of them barely get any details and why the books have been taking a long time
This is what finally got me subscribed. I have an encyclopedic knowledge of this series yet the Frey family tree constantly vexes me
This absolutely counts as self harm
Walder Frey is just straight up producing his own army 🙈
The fact he even remember about branches
IT was said that Frey can only trust his full blooded sibling, and still not completly
You absolute madman! How did you not lose your mind listing down every single Frey?!
Big Walder my favorite. Crazy video.
One thing about the Freys that bothers me is that GRRM missed an obvious and fun Frey branch: Bracken-Freys. They naturally would hate the Blackwood-Freys and these two branches of the family trying to one-up the other would have been real cool. Brackens tend to be big and brutish, so all he had to do was make the Crakehall-Freys Brackens-Freys, which would make Little Walder a Bracken grandson and Big Walder a Blackwood grandson (and fit GRRM's theme of Blackwoods being good, Brackens being chumps).
While I would like to see Bracken-Freys and Blackwood-Freys, you can't have Big Walder and Little Walder be part of it since they can't be at each other's throats all the time since they have to spend time together.
17:46 the English name John isn’t necessarily a shortening, it derived from the Latin Ioannes. So it would stand to reason that Jon exists as a name in Westeros that isn’t necessarily short for anything either
There is also John Arryn already in the story. I always figured that Jon was named after John Arryn like Rob was named after Robert Baratheon 🤷🏼♂️
R.I.P Jingle bell, He did nothing wrong!
With a story so nice, I had to watch it twice.
LORD HAVEN HAS DONE IT 🥹, HIS WINDS IS HERE 🏰🌊, Now you all need to do is ask Quinn when he’s free so you can rank them all in a livestream. This was incredible! Thank you Lord Haven, I wish you the best and hope you get better soon ❤️🩹. My Favourite Frey is either Ami or Olyvar, depends on the day. But today, 15th November, shall forever be remembered as FREYDAY! HAPPY FREYDAY TO ALL!!!
Why Ami? Is it just the vibes or something? I am genuinely curious.
@ The Vibes, plus I like nice Freys, it’s why Olyvar is also my favourite.
40:50 I respect that he decided to do the entire succesion line.
The concentration and focus this video demands of me 😅
You gotta love Lothar Frey, he's such a charming psychopath
This is honestly so impressive, just gathering all this info would give me an aneurysm
Thank god it’s Frey Day.
I audibly gasped when I saw this video
"Was last seen apie" fire writing
12:05 wouldnt habe understood that it was a trick question from context haha
Bro dropped this right as I'm making dinner, thank you sm!
he actually did it the absolute madman
Nearly waiting as long as TWOW, but we got here! Thanks Mr. Haven!
Tion getting thrown in jail then stabbed by rickon Karstark is quality
The oldest Rosby-Frey, Perwyn, is also in line to inherit the wealthy lordship of Rosby, he might be one of the strongest contenders now that the Rosby line is gone.
Well done good sir. You have completed what many thought impossible. You shall be greatly rewarded for this endeavour!!
Jaime Lannister is such a chad for slapping the shit out of Ryman Frey.
always a please to add on my 12hour shift , makes my day a little better whenever you make a video
My favorite Frey is Walder although Walder is a close second.
cleos is my favorite, and longform content hooray
Nah, actually explaining every single Frey 😂 honestly I was not expecting this
Happy Freyday! More than worth the wait.
So if anything would had gone according to plan wich almost did ,than the Freys will have the castles of :
Twins
Riverrun
Darry
Rosby
White Harbour
One frey would be the high septon
And females frey would be lady paramount of the North and the Westerlands
Now I see why Walder did the Red Wedding
The great Walder Frey of house Frey. I swear he will outlive everyone and end up on the Iron Throne if A Dream of Spring ever comes out (it won't).
I really hope Ser Theo Frey ends up as the lord of the Crossing.
AT LONG LAST IT IS HERE
The Prophecy, fulfilled! The Meme, manifest! All Hail Lord Haven! (admittedly late, as per usual), but still All Hail Lord Haven!
Forget The Penguin and Arcane season 2, peak has just dropped
The mad lad did it
Legend, last 5 minutes are the best
I would love for Edmund’s son to be nicknamed redborn or something, since he was conceived during the red wedding
Theo Frey is Jaquen Ha'gar, which is why he was in the King's Landing dungeons.
"And there is Brian Frey. He's a squire 😊"
Walder Frey is just the most honorable CK3 player
My god, he's gone mad. Absolutely mad. BUT HE'S DONE IT!
It's not just educational, it's so much fun. Feel better king
Grind in other ways???? God.
Love it! Amazing video! Damn, the work that went into this!
Honestly I can remember like nine Frays from the main books, and that’s including the Late Lord Fray
Being the number one house Frey fan I love the Frey content, I think it’s hilarious you mixed up big and small Walder as George intended for us to do