What if he comes back to life, stays exactly the same but uses his death as a legal loophole to leave the Night's Watch, becomes king, and has intense boat seggs? That would be really cool and based I think
I really think that Catelyn lost her mind BEFORE she died. In her final chapter, she describes crows flying in her face and clawing deep gashes in her cheeks, which we later learn from Merrett Frey's epilogue were made with her own fingernails. It wasn't resurrection that drove her crazy, it was seeing her son murdered in front of her.
That’s a great point and I agree, but I still think death calcified that change in a real way. I imagine Jon would’ve felt the same if he’d realized what was happening for more than his final seconds, and I think he’ll carry that with him once he’s back.
@ianharmon8693 Also this, to further your idea here? Right before Robb dies, he says, 'Mother'. Cat claws her face JUST like Thistle did...wanna bet Robb warged into his mom in THAT moment? Robb AND some bit of Grey Wind as well.
@ianharmon8693 No...but she will have whatever it is of him left inside the way Thistle had Varamyr inside of her. That is how it reads to me, the whole flow of the story. edit-you know what though? that is a REALLY good question because...who is in REAL control of her if she has two people basically..2 souls inside of her?
The resurrected Jon will vigorously pursue his vendetta against his most hated rival and orchestrate the death of Myrcella Baratheon. After everything, he still hates that kid’s guts. Everything else is secondary.
I've seen this meme or variations of it lately, what is the context of this? I haven't read the books in a while so Im lost in subtleties. I want in on the memes too, please give me some context here!!
@@claudiosanchez764 Jon's POV has him call her insipid and stupid in book 1 which is an insanely funny thing to say about a girl you don't know who's like seven.
@@jacobkakyoin6882 oh, I didn't remember that. I've read the books in Spanish so maybe the wording was less harsh in the translation and it didn't land as much. I'll re read that chapter later and check again. Thank you for the information! Have a great day:)
@@claudiosanchez764You're right with the translation inaccouracies. I've read ASoIF in Polish, and after seeing how many details, that people picked up here on YT, are lost in translation I've started reading it in english.
A bastard of House Targaryen whose mother comes from a house that worships the old gods and who becomes the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch? Welcome back, Lord Bloodraven. Resurrected Jon will erase all the "Arryn morals" that guided his journey so far. Sadly, Ghost's sacrifice represents this moment.
Ghost doesn't have much use beyond resurrecting Jon and I think it's fitting for them to merge essentially, it's better than dying to wights or something else.
@@okdude8215 Grey Wind had plenty of uses for Robb. Summer is useful to Bran. Nymeria is evidently going to be useful yet. Rickon relies heavily on Shaggydog. Why will Ghost & Jon be any different? GRRM himself questioned readers who thought Jon was dead. Maybe he doesn't need a resurrection by blood sacrifice. I personally think Borroq & Val will be the ones that play a role in his return.
@@okdude8215 he's already done plenty that one wouldn't have expected, like finding the dragonglass cache, and direwolves are extremely valuable as protectors, and in war, not sure why you think dying is his only purpose
Do u really think Martin is gonna miss the chance to have a Jon chapter as he is in ghost called the ghost. He could be viewing what is happening around the walls pov. It makes so much sense that Jon's ghost will go into ghost
Arya? She loved her father, her mother, and Jon most of all. Ned? Betrayed. She watched him lose his head. Catelyn? Betrayed. Arya refused to let her mother go, too. Enter Lady Stoneheart. Jon? *Betrayed?* Winter’s coming, sure, and Azor Ahai’s gotta rise, right? But with all these Lord of Light fanatics around the Wall… well, that’s what the show ran with. Me? Still not convinced.
He could remain a pov, because his soul would remain safe in Ghost until his resurrection. He would still change, probably will be more wolf like, but I expect he will be more "whole" compared to other undead.
Now that the Stark Kids are all covered, I think Jon would work as a great transition from the Starks to the Targaryens, which makes Daenerys my personal suggestion for the next video. Well, either her or Young Griff but I don't know if you plan on wrapping up all the POV characters first.
@@leandrocastello309while I get the sentiment because sometimes I do see lotr fans throw unnecessary shade in these spaces, the post seemed like a harmless joke
@@xtragedgnolfthat finally explains why George hasn't released it yet, ser pounce must have eaten the first draft around 2018. Hopefully they can keep ser pounce away from the current draft so George doesn't have to rewrite it again.
I've my own theory about the tareryans. Jon and Aegon are both legit targaryens. Dany will know this and pull an Aegon the Conquerer, marrying both. Dany would have 2 brother-husbands -sponsored by shade of the evening
@@theopenmouth9695 I've got a Game Of Thrones shirt the a wee bit older than my oldest niece. It bugs her teenage ass so much when I remind her that she's not so grown up - I'm wearing a t shirt older than she is!
shifting POV is an interesting thought, I know GRRM promised no more new POVs in the series, but several of our characters have changed to an unrecognizable degree, Bran being a three-eyed crow, Arya being a faceless assassin, Sansa being Elaine, and Jon being dead and reborn, it could be interesting to view them (at least for a while) from an outsider's perspective.
I'm excited to see Jon as a messianic figure to those around him - which I think really amplifies the Dune comparisons. For example, I think the "100 hostages" who are the children of wilding chieftans/warriors (and Jon says will be trained in battle) will form the core of his personal fedaykin of warrior-fanatics. I think Davos's son will also worship Jon after his resurrection, and will provide a lot of good Kingly council (as a former cupbearer to Stannis, and stuck at the wall, and a devotee of the lord of light). I'm also excited to see how Satin/Ed/Emmett become lieutenants, etc. I think the song of ice and fire will also involve him being a religious icon of old/red gods followers.
Thought Edd would be the Last Commander… when Jon hands him the cloak and Edd asks what he should do with it and Jon says “I don’t know. Burn it.” I can see them being attacked by Others. Ed goes up to release Ravens, hearing loud screaming and clanging steel. He writes one note and sends it off. Then complete silence. He’s the last one alive, and now his Brothers are being raised as Wights. He opens all the cages and the birds fly away. He puts some oil on the floor and stands in the room holding a torch. Waiting until the door slowly opens. He drops the torch on his cloak and oil to burn alive to save himself from being turned into a wight.
Something that I think everybody misses about all of the raised dead in the series is the religious roles they serve. Beric effectively becomes an avatar of R'hllor, Lady Stoneheart dresses like one of the silent sisters and becomes an agent of the Stranger, the wights are the slaves of the Others aka the cold gods, and Coldhands serves the CotF. Jon will be an agent of the Old Gods, he'll hang the entrails of his enemies all over trees, hold tribunals before the heart trees, and kill those he declares guilty so the trees can drink their blood.
You, like everyone else in Westeros save for the Manderlys, are forgetting one Stark child… Rickon. And before you say ‘but he’s too young and doesn’t have any POVs, it’s because you should be doing Davos Seaworth. Not only does he bring Rickon back into the story, I think it’s grossly overlooked that it’s no accident it was Davos that was told the Azor Ahai/Nissa Nissa legend. I think it will be him that guides Jon into becoming the Prince That Was Promised
At some point George has said that he has/had big plans for Rickon. Though we won't know until book comes whether those plans are still on or he changed stuff. But he has to have become Davos has been such important character. So if he is involved then it should not be for nothing.
You and Crusader Chris are my absolute favourite ASOIAF UA-camrs, it’s a testament to the community, as well as GRRM’s works’ depth, that it’s been so long without a new novel, yet content of this quality is still being produced regularly
Can you make a video about Jon's popularity outside of the wall in the books wiki he's mentioned in the vale and bravos how likely is it that people will believe that he's actually resurrected and not believe that he just left with the support of the more numerous wildlings and he just made up the whole getting killed and resurrected thing
Quinn, im loving this series so far. I would absolutely love you to do any of the Greyjoys, youre the one who put me onto Victarion being way more well rounded than i initially thought, but i would like one on Sansa as well. Keep up the good work ❤️
I think Jon warging into Ghost and then getting resurrected by Melisandre fits into the fire and ice theme, with ghost and his warging powers representing ice (his first men heritage) and Melisandre obviously representing fire through the lord of light. I do think a warg's second life creates an interesting question around the nature of wights. Is the soul necessary for a wight to be created? What exactly is going on the mind of a wight? They seem to be able to draw upon some memories of the person they once were (the two wights from Bejen's group who made their way back to castle black knew where to go to be discovered by the watch, and knew whom their targets were and who they looked like). How do they have access to these memories if nothing remains of the person they once were? How does Catlyn Stark retain her memories and (albeit changed) personality after being dead for quite a long time?
I honestly think Jon is why Winds of Winter is taking so long. It's almost certain his 'spirit' now lives in Ghost (the prologue to ADWD is mostly there just to confirm that warg's have a 'second life') but it's possible Jon's body is used by The Others or even by Brann/Bloodraven. Will it take the whole book for Jon to return to his body? Who will be the POV whilst this happens? And when Jon returns, will he come back as a POV or will he be like Lady Stoneheart - a terrifying thing only whispered about. And that's not even taking into account we only have two books to wrap this story up in. Once Jon's finally back, will he rejoin Stannis, go north to deal with the Others, or go to king's landing? He is both potentially heir to the North and heir to the Iron Throne. Which claim will he press? Everyone kinda needs to get a move on in Winds of Winter, they don't have much time left and if George adds *another* book to give himself more space then this is never getting done.
I'm hoping that there is no romance between Jon and Dany, the possibility of them marrying undermines the political ramifications of his reveal as a Targ and heir to the throne. I'd much prefer him stealing Val, potentially uniting the Wildlings with the North.
I would love Jon’s first TWOW pov to be “The White Wolf” or something where we get an entire chapter written in the style of the other direwolf pov sections”
I’ve always believed that Jon was ironically Ned’s only true born child. However, I’m now more inclined to believe that Jon is in actuality the son of Brandon and ashara , and therefore the actual True king of winterfell. It would explain why he’s a threat to catlyn and her and Ned’s kids, why Ned would specifically focus on Jon being a threat to his kids by catlyn, it would explain why he also couldnt explain anything to Robert, and it would add to both of their stories. It would make Ned seem questionable as a person and add a layer of complexity to him. It would also go back to Caitlyn’s line about Jon when she hears rob wanting to make him the heir. She thinks to herself “ that’s it then, he will inherit everything.” She seems to focus on Jon overstepping HER children, but it would be ironic if her children were never meant to be legitimate stark kings or lords or inherit winterfell ever.
Quinn, master of games, I have an obscure choice for you! I give you either, Winter is Coming for Mance Rayder, Roose Bolton, or the King of Salt and Sea, Lord of Krakens, Captain of the Silence, the Crows Eye, Euron Greyjoy!
A potential topic you could speak on would be the uncrowned princes and princesses of Westeros and who would’ve made the best rulers. For example, Aemon (son of Jaehaerys), Baelon the brave, Aegon the uncrowned, Rhaegar Targaryen, Baelor Breakspear, Princess Rhaenys, etc
Quinn I heard directly from GRRM that the opening lines of Winds will be a scandalous tell-all sex scene between Glidus and Preston Jacobs. What are your thoughts on being left out?
Am I the only one who has always been irritated by the fact that Jon Snow did little to nothing to convince the members of the Night’s Watch that every soul passing through the wall is a soldier less for the WW? He always thinks about it but hardly says it to someone. For me, that has always been the biggest flaw in all of the five books. Therefore I wouldn‘t go so far as to say Jon Snow isn‘t a talented politician but an average one. Opinions?
I mean he did say that in the show I don't know about the books but I don't think saying this would convince the nights watch the situation pretty much is really complicated but he does have a problem of miscommunication
@@shantanutoraskar428 Well, thinking about it is even worse than not even trying. Somehow GRRM needed the mutiny and therefore Jon acted very unwise which did feel out of place, at least for me. Like in all the latest chapters I always thought "Jesus Christ - just tell them please. Just explain to them why the wildlings need to pass in a way that they understand. Not out of love but out of duty." He utterly failed at that and it felt fabricated. Still awesome to read tough.
@@craig7405 Exactly. He told them, but not really. He should have explained it like they were five year olds. But he didn’t. And that was lazy writing imho.
I think Jon will still be a POV character but that his chapters will rarely be titled as Jon, he will carry mythic monickers for most of his chapters onwards like "the undead lord" or "the white wolf".
I disagree with the "My watch has ended" part. I'm inclined to believe that the watch is made to serve even after death, and the text shows that a lot. Plus if he gets into the "politics" of the Kingdom/North, there is the chance that he doesn't focus on the Other's threat as he should, focused on his thoughts on duty even stronger now, considering that he probably will come back as a "fire" undead like Beric & Cat.
Would love to see a deep dive on what is up at the wall. We’d be able to get updates on characters that aren’t worth a video but matter in the aggregate.
there will some events between rickon and jon and there supporters .. and i think that rickon direwwolf will fight ramsay's dogs not ghost .. or maybe both of them
I'm not sure we'll see Jon's resurrection directly. I think the coolest option is this: Either a good chunk of the way through the book, or as a prologue or epilogue, we get the POV of someone who knows Ramsay escaped from Winterfell with the remaining Bolton army but has not yet arrived at the Dreadfort, and everyone wonders what happened. Then that same POV chapter sees a surprise attack launched by an unknown party. This character witnesses northmen disguised as trees and shrieking wildlings and a deathly white figure with white hair and the scars of mortal wounds and red eyes. Then later we get either a Jon POV or one close to him, where the character reflects back on the resurrection. George loves revealing big plot points in this hindsight sort of way, and it would create a really interesting tension for readers to be surprised with this sudden appearance of Jon as almost a vengeful ghost.
I really appreciate that on re-read you realize that Jon is technically (in this world's laws) in the wrong. He's broken several nights watch vows and is leading the "enemy" through the wall. (Keep in mind no one in living memory has ever seen a wight and thinks they're a myth) Then states he's going to abandon the nights watch. We love to defend Jon's POV. But that goes to how great George is and his core reason for writing "the human heart in conflict with itself" and these Jon chapters are George's best writing and examples of that. Along with Jaimie and JonConn
I’m caught up on your ‘Winter is coming for…’ series! Loving it so far. I’d like to hear what you think about Barriston Selmy and Stannis Baratheon, since the show did them both so dirty!
I finished ASOIAF last year around this time and then finished all the other books in the world and now I’ve been trying to read all the other major fantasy books/series. ASOIAF still on top right now for me
I agree that Jon will probably be resurrected, but from the moment he fell into the snow in Dance it occurred to me that leaving him there would be an absolute boss move for Martin to make.
I saw an interesting theory that Asha was actually going to be the unintentional sacrifice to bring Jon back. Asha is in a bit of a bad position, she's surrounded by people who want her dead, Mormont is gone, she's got a broken ankle, she's had a lot of death flags as the story has gone on, and she's likely pregnant after her time with Qarl. Not to mention she's about to enter the battle on the ice. But most importantly Theon is heading to the block, making it unlikely he'll actually die. The theory was that she'll die in the battle in a tragic mirror to Falia flowers, another person pregnant with a kingsblood baby. But where one (falia) is used for the rise of this story's antichrist, the tragic death of Asha against a white tree on the island could be what's used by Bran or Bloodraven (who's had an eye on Jon for some time) in order to bring back the savior character. It's very dark as GRRM said this book would be, and leaves Theon as our Stannis campaign pov character
Something I also think is overlooked a lot about Jon when it comes on to his legitimacy as a Targaryen and subsequent claim to the throne is the fact that Robb (and potentially Stannis) legitimized him in an effort to make him heir to the North, but technically inadvertently made him rightful heir to the Iron Throne
I think Jon will retain much more of himself than Cat...I think he'll be preserved physically in the ice cells and mentally within Ghost, whereas Cat was essentially rotting for 3 days, with that fury and pain and loss festering
Characters that can be easily linked to Jon: Melisandre: Also at the wall, and from her you could do Davos and then the rest of the POVs relating to the Five Kings, i.e Brienne or the Greyjoys Theon: Familial connection. After him you could do Asha and Aeron, then finish the greyjoys with Victarion so you can move into the essos plotline: Dany, Barristan, then JonCon. After JonCon you can connect to Arianne because her plot is also focused on the battle of steel right now. After her we move down to Dorne with Areo Hotah. Samwell: Close friend of Jon. After him you could do Aeron and the Greyjoys, finishing with Victarion and doing the order listed above. Daenerys: Familial connection. After her you could do Essos then battle of steel and Dorne.
I do wonder how Varys will die in the book will he be burned by danys dragon if she does burn Aegon and kings landing in a war or killed by Jon C cause Varys discovers his secret I don't see him surviving winds
The only other warg that we have had as a POV that dead was in the prologue of ADWD and we saw a little bit of his second life. We could get a chapter of John in Ghost
I always saw Stoneheart somehow passing the fire of life to Jon as being an interesting touch. A few things do need to happen for this to pass though. Ramsay may demand Jon's body is sent to Winterfel, and the mutineers oblige, or Stannis has taken Winterfel, and they send his body there for burial in the crypts. Meanwhile Stoneheart gets hold of either Ned's or Rob's bones and heads to Winterfel. She sees Stannis on Winterfel's throne, sees the north is screwed, knows of Rob's wish for Jon to be his heir, so "gives birth" to the bastard she couldn't love.
I think we’ll have Ghost chapters (maybe 2 or 3) under titles like “the White Wolf” (a nod to the TV show) but no Jon chapters. I feel like that’ll be an interesting viewpoint on things. That way we see the building blocks for Jon taking more of Ghost’s isolated and quiet personality
There will be a ghost chapter fairly early on I reckon, then a Melisandre chapter resurrecting Jon, then it would be really cool if we got a Bowen marsh chapter detailing his death at Jon’s hands. I don’t think we will get another Jon chapter, at least not in winds but there’ll be other characters that are close by him, such as Melisandre
Let's do Davos or Tormund G next. We don't have a ton to go on regarding the Skagossons but you could focus more on Davos' relationship with Stannis. We also get a lot of his inner thoughts both on things like his sons. Tormund G is probably an even more fascinating option and I want to see how he reacts to the ending of ADWD. His political position with the wildlings is also something we will see continue to develop. Anyway, I understand Tormund G being the more logical choice but I find Davos' arc so compelling. He's dealing with incredible loss and doesn't really have anyone to talk with about it; and he's headed to one of the most remote, potentially very hostile locations in the realm. He must feel so isolated, and dark nights on ships, dungeon cells and sharp rocks in the sea are lonely places.
Your bringing up of Robb's will made me think about how it places Jon ahead of the trueborn Sansa in the Stark succession, and now I'm wondering if we'll see a sort of icy version of Dance of the Dragons to reflect the fiery one we're likely to see between Dany and Aegon. Looking at the succession crises in Fire and Blood, GRRM definitely peppers in nuance on both sides but it does seem like he'd want to address how succession being mostly but not definitively tied to gender keeps leading to these big intra-familial wars, so you'd think he'd want to settle the issue by levelling the playing field for both genders, but it'd be complicated to make that happen when our main character Jon stands in the way of not one but two lawful female heirs in Daenerys and Sansa.
I really wish we get a super gothic chapter perhaps a prologue where Jon wreaks bloody vengeance on his killers in a similar vein to Theon in Winterfell or the mutiny on the Fist all going wrong when the White Walkers attack ... like we see all the mutineers plans to take control from their POV but they're just getting picked off one by one by Jon's spirit in Ghost or his literal ghostly ressurected body ... horror vibes to kick off the Winds of Winter...
To make a big point about the unfinished books in ASOIAF, I think the final season as a whole is the prime example of something (outside of problematic writing, etc) falling under the weight of it's own complexities and ideas. Also probably why Martin is having issues with the final two books, because he's going to have squeeze everything left into those, but also make it clear what the story is truly about and saying
The show's failures had nothing to do 'complexities or ideas'. Quite the opposite. And it wasn't the last season when the downfall happened, This was just the moment when even the most delusional and desperate fans could no longer deny it.
I feel like if they didn’t do his POV it would feel like the show more having john be this different character without knowing what’s going on in his head
I am three moths older than AStorm of Swords, my second favourite ASoiaf book. We are really eight years older than book Jon. Jon is the reason I love a Storm and Jaime is the reason I love A feast. And the burns Jon serves 😂😂😂
I like the idea that after the battle of the Bastards Ramsey flees and Jon hunts him down with ghost and maybe some other wolves so Ramsey finally knows the fear of being hunted rather than being the hunter. This is my head cannon till TWOW comes out
I keep remembering a GRRM quote when someone mentioned that Jon was dead... and whether he'd be resurrected, he said "Oh, so you think he's dead, do you?" That kind of haunts me a bit - maybe he's not dead? Then I think of the switcheroo between Mance and Rattleshirt... and I wonder if there might have been a switcheroo involving Jon, you know? Jon and Tormund, maybe? They closet with Melisandre (Jon's only hope, apparently) for an hour or two before sharing the contents of the pink letter... so I have to think they came up with some strategy to deal with that... a viable one... but who knows? GRRM doesn't want us asking about when TWoW will be done... but it IS the question constantly in my mind. I think I've listened to a few of your videos... and I think I'll have to go listen to a few more.
About Jon's resurection, how will this physically effect him? Coldhands can't enter Bloodraven's cave or pass through the wall, the same applies to the wights, at least on their own. Will he be unable to pass through the wall again? Will he be unable to enter Winterfel? Maybe this is why they'll bring down the wall, because they need Jon to stop them but he can't get to them.
The fandom seems really certain Stannis will win in the north. Stannis would never allow another king in the realm. For Jon to be Robb’s heir and king in the north, Stannis has to die. Stannis will never reach winterfell, he may defeat part of the boltons army but he will die in the battle.
Stannis wont solve the northern storyline imo. Especially since it’s confirmed he burns Shireen. I think he wins the battle of ice but it might be a Pyrrhic victory or it doesn’t go completely to plan. Or the Northern lords are just using Stannis to get rid of the Bolton’s and once brother of them are disposed of they’ll initiate a Stark restoration.
@@Deadj90 I find it unlikely that Stannis will take out both Roose and Ramsay and then be taken down by colluding northern lords when he essentially delivered them from their enemies. I’m not certain he will give a direct order to burn shireen in person, (If this order does occur), especially when they are so far away currently. Anything that isn’t in a published book isn’t canon. Perhaps he burns shireen after the first round of fighting, I just don’t see him defeating the boltons at the moment.
What if he comes back to life, stays exactly the same but uses his death as a legal loophole to leave the Night's Watch, becomes king, and has intense boat seggs? That would be really cool and based I think
We should write a television program together
@@QuinnTheGM Lord Havenoff and G.M. Qeiss
Jon would stay same as his personality is just...yep.
Boat seggs with val please. I ship them
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I really think that Catelyn lost her mind BEFORE she died. In her final chapter, she describes crows flying in her face and clawing deep gashes in her cheeks, which we later learn from Merrett Frey's epilogue were made with her own fingernails. It wasn't resurrection that drove her crazy, it was seeing her son murdered in front of her.
That’s a great point and I agree, but I still think death calcified that change in a real way. I imagine Jon would’ve felt the same if he’d realized what was happening for more than his final seconds, and I think he’ll carry that with him once he’s back.
@ianharmon8693 Also this, to further your idea here? Right before Robb dies, he says, 'Mother'. Cat claws her face JUST like Thistle did...wanna bet Robb warged into his mom in THAT moment? Robb AND some bit of Grey Wind as well.
@@aprilmae274 So is Lady Stoneheart actually Robb?
@ianharmon8693 No...but she will have whatever it is of him left inside the way Thistle had Varamyr inside of her. That is how it reads to me, the whole flow of the story. edit-you know what though? that is a REALLY good question because...who is in REAL control of her if she has two people basically..2 souls inside of her?
@@aprilmae274 Fucking hell, no.
The resurrected Jon will vigorously pursue his vendetta against his most hated rival and orchestrate the death of Myrcella Baratheon. After everything, he still hates that kid’s guts. Everything else is secondary.
I've seen this meme or variations of it lately, what is the context of this? I haven't read the books in a while so Im lost in subtleties. I want in on the memes too, please give me some context here!!
@@claudiosanchez764 Jon's POV has him call her insipid and stupid in book 1 which is an insanely funny thing to say about a girl you don't know who's like seven.
@@jacobkakyoin6882 oh, I didn't remember that. I've read the books in Spanish so maybe the wording was less harsh in the translation and it didn't land as much. I'll re read that chapter later and check again. Thank you for the information! Have a great day:)
Him and Dark Star would be a crazy duo
@@claudiosanchez764You're right with the translation inaccouracies. I've read ASoIF in Polish, and after seeing how many details, that people picked up here on YT, are lost in translation I've started reading it in english.
A bastard of House Targaryen whose mother comes from a house that worships the old gods and who becomes the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch? Welcome back, Lord Bloodraven.
Resurrected Jon will erase all the "Arryn morals" that guided his journey so far. Sadly, Ghost's sacrifice represents this moment.
If GRRM makes me wait 13+ years just so he can kill Ghost, he and I are gonna have some problems😤
Ghost doesn't have much use beyond resurrecting Jon and I think it's fitting for them to merge essentially, it's better than dying to wights or something else.
The book will never be published
@@okdude8215 Grey Wind had plenty of uses for Robb. Summer is useful to Bran. Nymeria is evidently going to be useful yet. Rickon relies heavily on Shaggydog. Why will Ghost & Jon be any different?
GRRM himself questioned readers who thought Jon was dead. Maybe he doesn't need a resurrection by blood sacrifice. I personally think Borroq & Val will be the ones that play a role in his return.
@@okdude8215 he's already done plenty that one wouldn't have expected, like finding the dragonglass cache, and direwolves are extremely valuable as protectors, and in war, not sure why you think dying is his only purpose
@@Qwerty-jy9mj I think we're quite likely to see TWOW. A Dream of Spring though? Yeah that's never coming out
Do u really think Martin is gonna miss the chance to have a Jon chapter as he is in ghost called the ghost. He could be viewing what is happening around the walls pov. It makes so much sense that Jon's ghost will go into ghost
Jon Snow == FitzChivalry Farseer.
Arya? She loved her father, her mother, and Jon most of all.
Ned? Betrayed. She watched him lose his head.
Catelyn? Betrayed. Arya refused to let her mother go, too.
Enter Lady Stoneheart.
Jon? *Betrayed?* Winter’s coming, sure, and Azor Ahai’s gotta rise, right? But with all these Lord of Light fanatics around the Wall… well, that’s what the show ran with.
Me? Still not convinced.
@@GeraltOfArabia what ru saying bruh
@@eshangupta4048 I think he's trying to say that Arya revives the dead....Which doesnt make sense.
@@dyent idk eather
Grrm could do the ultimate troll move by releasing Winds just to keep Jon dead.
yakub created the white walkers
Yes!! Jon is coming back in ADoS
I'd prefer this
He released wind alright he's an old man.
That would be funny 😂
He could remain a pov, because his soul would remain safe in Ghost until his resurrection. He would still change, probably will be more wolf like, but I expect he will be more "whole" compared to other undead.
Now that the Stark Kids are all covered, I think Jon would work as a great transition from the Starks to the Targaryens, which makes Daenerys my personal suggestion for the next video. Well, either her or Young Griff but I don't know if you plan on wrapping up all the POV characters first.
"Now that the Stark kids are covered." Rickon 💀
I'm pretty sure that bleeding out for 13 years is not good for one's health.
Boy I could totally see a chapter from Ghost's perspective where we see that Satin has picked up Jon's body, has clean it up and is crying over it.
I clicked on the video faster than the time it takes grrm to write winds of winter, oh wait...
So you never clicked?
I clicked after 23 minutes - still faster than GRRM needs for one page of winds of winter
The completly gratuitus Martin hate makes me think you are a salty LOTR shill passing by the ASOIF fandom.
Too soon. 😔
@@leandrocastello309while I get the sentiment because sometimes I do see lotr fans throw unnecessary shade in these spaces, the post seemed like a harmless joke
ser pounce must be next
Ser Pounce is coming for The Winds of Winter 😟(he's gonna eat it)
@@xtragedgnolf Aww 😼
@@xtragedgnolfthat finally explains why George hasn't released it yet, ser pounce must have eaten the first draft around 2018. Hopefully they can keep ser pounce away from the current draft so George doesn't have to rewrite it again.
@@xtragedgnolf hahahahahahaha
A video on all the pets would be nice...
Why you haven’t dropped the Winter is Coming for Darkstar video yet is beyond me…
"I am of the Night."
Sorry, I just had to do it 💀
I've my own theory about the tareryans. Jon and Aegon are both legit targaryens. Dany will know this and pull an Aegon the Conquerer, marrying both. Dany would have 2 brother-husbands
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I'm sorry.
I hope it's true, but...I doubt it.
Except Young Griff has been hinted multiple times to be a Blackfyre of the female line…. why else would the Golden Company support him?
Wait... Storm is older than you? I was in uni when that book came out. I guess I am officially old.
Yeah bro you’re ancient its over
People who were born when the book came out will have left uni 2 years ago.
@@theopenmouth9695 I've got a Game Of Thrones shirt the a wee bit older than my oldest niece. It bugs her teenage ass so much when I remind her that she's not so grown up - I'm wearing a t shirt older than she is!
I was already well into adulthood when Game of Thrones (the book) was released.
I'm ancient.
It’s such a funny community, teenagers interacting with the archetypal 80s and 90s adult nerds. I was only half a year old when AFFC was released
shifting POV is an interesting thought, I know GRRM promised no more new POVs in the series, but several of our characters have changed to an unrecognizable degree, Bran being a three-eyed crow, Arya being a faceless assassin, Sansa being Elaine, and Jon being dead and reborn, it could be interesting to view them (at least for a while) from an outsider's perspective.
I'm excited to see Jon as a messianic figure to those around him - which I think really amplifies the Dune comparisons. For example, I think the "100 hostages" who are the children of wilding chieftans/warriors (and Jon says will be trained in battle) will form the core of his personal fedaykin of warrior-fanatics. I think Davos's son will also worship Jon after his resurrection, and will provide a lot of good Kingly council (as a former cupbearer to Stannis, and stuck at the wall, and a devotee of the lord of light). I'm also excited to see how Satin/Ed/Emmett become lieutenants, etc. I think the song of ice and fire will also involve him being a religious icon of old/red gods followers.
Thought Edd would be the Last Commander… when Jon hands him the cloak and Edd asks what he should do with it and Jon says “I don’t know. Burn it.” I can see them being attacked by Others. Ed goes up to release Ravens, hearing loud screaming and clanging steel. He writes one note and sends it off. Then complete silence. He’s the last one alive, and now his Brothers are being raised as Wights. He opens all the cages and the birds fly away. He puts some oil on the floor and stands in the room holding a torch. Waiting until the door slowly opens. He drops the torch on his cloak and oil to burn alive to save himself from being turned into a wight.
Edd's gotta die from The Wall falling on him.
I don't know, I feel like he purposely made Jon the 998 lord commander for him to be revived as the 1000 one
Something that I think everybody misses about all of the raised dead in the series is the religious roles they serve. Beric effectively becomes an avatar of R'hllor, Lady Stoneheart dresses like one of the silent sisters and becomes an agent of the Stranger, the wights are the slaves of the Others aka the cold gods, and Coldhands serves the CotF. Jon will be an agent of the Old Gods, he'll hang the entrails of his enemies all over trees, hold tribunals before the heart trees, and kill those he declares guilty so the trees can drink their blood.
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I'd love to see Young Griff covered. Great video as always!
Young Griff is coming for the Winds of Winter, not the other way around.
You, like everyone else in Westeros save for the Manderlys, are forgetting one Stark child… Rickon. And before you say ‘but he’s too young and doesn’t have any POVs, it’s because you should be doing Davos Seaworth. Not only does he bring Rickon back into the story, I think it’s grossly overlooked that it’s no accident it was Davos that was told the Azor Ahai/Nissa Nissa legend. I think it will be him that guides Jon into becoming the Prince That Was Promised
At some point George has said that he has/had big plans for Rickon. Though we won't know until book comes whether those plans are still on or he changed stuff. But he has to have become Davos has been such important character. So if he is involved then it should not be for nothing.
You and Crusader Chris are my absolute favourite ASOIAF UA-camrs, it’s a testament to the community, as well as GRRM’s works’ depth, that it’s been so long without a new novel, yet content of this quality is still being produced regularly
Truly one of the best series going rn on yt. These vids are perfect. I can’t even say one character I want next im ready for them all
Can you make a video about Jon's popularity outside of the wall in the books wiki he's mentioned in the vale and bravos how likely is it that people will believe that he's actually resurrected and not believe that he just left with the support of the more numerous wildlings and he just made up the whole getting killed and resurrected thing
I personally think he will look dramatically different in his revenant form, much like Cat or Theon
Quinn, im loving this series so far. I would absolutely love you to do any of the Greyjoys, youre the one who put me onto Victarion being way more well rounded than i initially thought, but i would like one on Sansa as well. Keep up the good work ❤️
I think Jon warging into Ghost and then getting resurrected by Melisandre fits into the fire and ice theme, with ghost and his warging powers representing ice (his first men heritage) and Melisandre obviously representing fire through the lord of light.
I do think a warg's second life creates an interesting question around the nature of wights. Is the soul necessary for a wight to be created? What exactly is going on the mind of a wight? They seem to be able to draw upon some memories of the person they once were (the two wights from Bejen's group who made their way back to castle black knew where to go to be discovered by the watch, and knew whom their targets were and who they looked like). How do they have access to these memories if nothing remains of the person they once were? How does Catlyn Stark retain her memories and (albeit changed) personality after being dead for quite a long time?
How about a Winds of Winter video for Quentyn? Since the infamous frog boy is clearly alive and well.
That dude is dead as hell. What shoes he got on in his coffin? None, they burned to a crisp
@@daralenoach that's the joke.
I honestly think Jon is why Winds of Winter is taking so long. It's almost certain his 'spirit' now lives in Ghost (the prologue to ADWD is mostly there just to confirm that warg's have a 'second life') but it's possible Jon's body is used by The Others or even by Brann/Bloodraven. Will it take the whole book for Jon to return to his body? Who will be the POV whilst this happens? And when Jon returns, will he come back as a POV or will he be like Lady Stoneheart - a terrifying thing only whispered about.
And that's not even taking into account we only have two books to wrap this story up in. Once Jon's finally back, will he rejoin Stannis, go north to deal with the Others, or go to king's landing? He is both potentially heir to the North and heir to the Iron Throne. Which claim will he press? Everyone kinda needs to get a move on in Winds of Winter, they don't have much time left and if George adds *another* book to give himself more space then this is never getting done.
I'm hoping that there is no romance between Jon and Dany, the possibility of them marrying undermines the political ramifications of his reveal as a Targ and heir to the throne.
I'd much prefer him stealing Val, potentially uniting the Wildlings with the North.
I would love Jon’s first TWOW pov to be “The White Wolf” or something where we get an entire chapter written in the style of the other direwolf pov sections”
I like that!
Favorite series :) been behind watching videos lately but you’re always the one I come to first
honestly finding out you're only four years older than me freaked me out lmao these videos are so good I imagine you as this wise old dude aha
“ASoS is older then I am by a couple weeks”
You sweet summer child.
I’ve always believed that Jon was ironically Ned’s only true born child. However, I’m now more inclined to believe that Jon is in actuality the son of Brandon and ashara , and therefore the actual True king of winterfell. It would explain why he’s a threat to catlyn and her and Ned’s kids, why Ned would specifically focus on Jon being a threat to his kids by catlyn, it would explain why he also couldnt explain anything to Robert, and it would add to both of their stories. It would make Ned seem questionable as a person and add a layer of complexity to him. It would also go back to Caitlyn’s line about Jon when she hears rob wanting to make him the heir. She thinks to herself “ that’s it then, he will inherit everything.” She seems to focus on Jon overstepping HER children, but it would be ironic if her children were never meant to be legitimate stark kings or lords or inherit winterfell ever.
Can I just say how much I love this series? Yes? Okay, I LOVE this series. It’s why I subscribed actually. So thank you!
Bran is going to warg into Jon. Jon's soul dies and Bran becomes the PtwP.
Quinn, master of games, I have an obscure choice for you! I give you either, Winter is Coming for Mance Rayder, Roose Bolton, or the King of Salt and Sea, Lord of Krakens, Captain of the Silence, the Crows Eye, Euron Greyjoy!
A potential topic you could speak on would be the uncrowned princes and princesses of Westeros and who would’ve made the best rulers. For example, Aemon (son of Jaehaerys), Baelon the brave, Aegon the uncrowned, Rhaegar Targaryen, Baelor Breakspear, Princess Rhaenys, etc
Quinn I heard directly from GRRM that the opening lines of Winds will be a scandalous tell-all sex scene between Glidus and Preston Jacobs. What are your thoughts on being left out?
I dun wont it
Am I the only one who has always been irritated by the fact that Jon Snow did little to nothing to convince the members of the Night’s Watch that every soul passing through the wall is a soldier less for the WW? He always thinks about it but hardly says it to someone. For me, that has always been the biggest flaw in all of the five books. Therefore I wouldn‘t go so far as to say Jon Snow isn‘t a talented politician but an average one. Opinions?
I mean he did say that in the show I don't know about the books but I don't think saying this would convince the nights watch the situation pretty much is really complicated but he does have a problem of miscommunication
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Well, thinking about it is even worse than not even trying. Somehow GRRM needed the mutiny and therefore Jon acted very unwise which did feel out of place, at least for me. Like in all the latest chapters I always thought "Jesus Christ - just tell them please. Just explain to them why the wildlings need to pass in a way that they understand. Not out of love but out of duty." He utterly failed at that and it felt fabricated. Still awesome to read tough.
Well he kind of told them but not really. So yeah he could've been better
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Exactly.
He told them, but not really. He should have explained it like they were five year olds. But he didn’t. And that was lazy writing imho.
Gotta give you that
6:26 SMH, we all know that Jon's story will focus on romance, with Satin!
I think Jon will still be a POV character but that his chapters will rarely be titled as Jon, he will carry mythic monickers for most of his chapters onwards like "the undead lord" or "the white wolf".
I disagree with the "My watch has ended" part. I'm inclined to believe that the watch is made to serve even after death, and the text shows that a lot. Plus if he gets into the "politics" of the Kingdom/North, there is the chance that he doesn't focus on the Other's threat as he should, focused on his thoughts on duty even stronger now, considering that he probably will come back as a "fire" undead like Beric & Cat.
We want to see DAVOS!!!! Oh great videos btw! Love them so much. Thank you these videos!
I don't know if I can watch a jon snow content if it isn't at least 6 hours long
Winter is coming for Strong Belwas next?
One of my most awaited videos! Jon snow/Targaryen is literally one of my favorite characters also loved the alt shift X Jon snow reference 😂
Can you please share the character art you use i really love them.
I’d love a Davos video one day, these videos are great
What do you think about the theory of Sansa being the girl in grey Melisandre saw?
Would love to see a deep dive on what is up at the wall. We’d be able to get updates on characters that aren’t worth a video but matter in the aggregate.
2:56 Tyrion appears very prominently in Cersei 1 of Feast!
Dreams don’t count
there will some events between rickon and jon and there supporters .. and i think that rickon direwwolf will fight ramsay's dogs not ghost .. or maybe both of them
I'm not sure we'll see Jon's resurrection directly. I think the coolest option is this: Either a good chunk of the way through the book, or as a prologue or epilogue, we get the POV of someone who knows Ramsay escaped from Winterfell with the remaining Bolton army but has not yet arrived at the Dreadfort, and everyone wonders what happened. Then that same POV chapter sees a surprise attack launched by an unknown party. This character witnesses northmen disguised as trees and shrieking wildlings and a deathly white figure with white hair and the scars of mortal wounds and red eyes. Then later we get either a Jon POV or one close to him, where the character reflects back on the resurrection. George loves revealing big plot points in this hindsight sort of way, and it would create a really interesting tension for readers to be surprised with this sudden appearance of Jon as almost a vengeful ghost.
I really appreciate that on re-read you realize that Jon is technically (in this world's laws) in the wrong. He's broken several nights watch vows and is leading the "enemy" through the wall. (Keep in mind no one in living memory has ever seen a wight and thinks they're a myth)
Then states he's going to abandon the nights watch.
We love to defend Jon's POV. But that goes to how great George is and his core reason for writing "the human heart in conflict with itself" and these Jon chapters are George's best writing and examples of that.
Along with Jaimie and JonConn
I’m caught up on your ‘Winter is coming for…’ series! Loving it so far. I’d like to hear what you think about Barriston Selmy and Stannis Baratheon, since the show did them both so dirty!
I finished ASOIAF last year around this time and then finished all the other books in the world and now I’ve been trying to read all the other major fantasy books/series. ASOIAF still on top right now for me
I agree that Jon will probably be resurrected, but from the moment he fell into the snow in Dance it occurred to me that leaving him there would be an absolute boss move for Martin to make.
I guarantee GRRM will troll us with an early chapter called JON that is not about Snow but about a conman.
Shitmouth next. 👀
I saw an interesting theory that Asha was actually going to be the unintentional sacrifice to bring Jon back.
Asha is in a bit of a bad position, she's surrounded by people who want her dead, Mormont is gone, she's got a broken ankle, she's had a lot of death flags as the story has gone on, and she's likely pregnant after her time with Qarl. Not to mention she's about to enter the battle on the ice. But most importantly Theon is heading to the block, making it unlikely he'll actually die.
The theory was that she'll die in the battle in a tragic mirror to Falia flowers, another person pregnant with a kingsblood baby. But where one (falia) is used for the rise of this story's antichrist, the tragic death of Asha against a white tree on the island could be what's used by Bran or Bloodraven (who's had an eye on Jon for some time) in order to bring back the savior character. It's very dark as GRRM said this book would be, and leaves Theon as our Stannis campaign pov character
Something I also think is overlooked a lot about Jon when it comes on to his legitimacy as a Targaryen and subsequent claim to the throne is the fact that Robb (and potentially Stannis) legitimized him in an effort to make him heir to the North, but technically inadvertently made him rightful heir to the Iron Throne
Oh dang! You should do the next one just in time for spooky season- maybe Lady Stoneheart. Or Patchface! EDITED: Qyburn OK too.
Really love the video, could you do dany next? love your content man!
I think Jon will retain much more of himself than Cat...I think he'll be preserved physically in the ice cells and mentally within Ghost, whereas Cat was essentially rotting for 3 days, with that fury and pain and loss festering
If Ghost dies, I will not be ok. Amazing video, as always!
Characters that can be easily linked to Jon:
Melisandre: Also at the wall, and from her you could do Davos and then the rest of the POVs relating to the Five Kings, i.e Brienne or the Greyjoys
Theon: Familial connection. After him you could do Asha and Aeron, then finish the greyjoys with Victarion so you can move into the essos plotline: Dany, Barristan, then JonCon. After JonCon you can connect to Arianne because her plot is also focused on the battle of steel right now. After her we move down to Dorne with Areo Hotah.
Samwell: Close friend of Jon. After him you could do Aeron and the Greyjoys, finishing with Victarion and doing the order listed above.
Daenerys: Familial connection. After her you could do Essos then battle of steel and Dorne.
I do wonder how Varys will die in the book will he be burned by danys dragon if she does burn Aegon and kings landing in a war or killed by Jon C cause Varys discovers his secret I don't see him surviving winds
Thank you for making this video 🫡
Need to see a video on Young Griff in Winds of Winter next
LOVE these videos.
The only other warg that we have had as a POV that dead was in the prologue of ADWD and we saw a little bit of his second life. We could get a chapter of John in Ghost
Love the Video, i think it is time to make the theon video🙌🏼
If we ever get Winds, I, and I expected many others, will immediately flip through the book to see if there's a chapter entitled "Ghost".
I always saw Stoneheart somehow passing the fire of life to Jon as being an interesting touch. A few things do need to happen for this to pass though. Ramsay may demand Jon's body is sent to Winterfel, and the mutineers oblige, or Stannis has taken Winterfel, and they send his body there for burial in the crypts.
Meanwhile Stoneheart gets hold of either Ned's or Rob's bones and heads to Winterfel. She sees Stannis on Winterfel's throne, sees the north is screwed, knows of Rob's wish for Jon to be his heir, so "gives birth" to the bastard she couldn't love.
I think we’ll have Ghost chapters (maybe 2 or 3) under titles like “the White Wolf” (a nod to the TV show) but no Jon chapters. I feel like that’ll be an interesting viewpoint on things. That way we see the building blocks for Jon taking more of Ghost’s isolated and quiet personality
22 hours Jon Snow video? Where?? I need it, I must have it.
My law proffessor was just quoting that same line from cool hand luke
7:54 what happened there?
There will be a ghost chapter fairly early on I reckon, then a Melisandre chapter resurrecting Jon, then it would be really cool if we got a Bowen marsh chapter detailing his death at Jon’s hands. I don’t think we will get another Jon chapter, at least not in winds but there’ll be other characters that are close by him, such as Melisandre
next do wyman manderly
Imagine Jon's personal sigil of a white direwolf and a green dragon.
Hey Quinn, what RPG system do you usually play?
Usually Dungeons and Dragons, trying out the 2024 PHB soon!
@@QuinnTheGMNice! Would love to see a video about your world someday
@@QuinnTheGM Hey, I'm making my own ROG, would you mind trying it out?
Jon warging a dragon is my big hope for the future books
Let's do Davos or Tormund G next. We don't have a ton to go on regarding the Skagossons but you could focus more on Davos' relationship with Stannis. We also get a lot of his inner thoughts both on things like his sons.
Tormund G is probably an even more fascinating option and I want to see how he reacts to the ending of ADWD. His political position with the wildlings is also something we will see continue to develop.
Anyway, I understand Tormund G being the more logical choice but I find Davos' arc so compelling.
He's dealing with incredible loss and doesn't really have anyone to talk with about it; and he's headed to one of the most remote, potentially very hostile locations in the realm. He must feel so isolated, and dark nights on ships, dungeon cells and sharp rocks in the sea are lonely places.
Your bringing up of Robb's will made me think about how it places Jon ahead of the trueborn Sansa in the Stark succession, and now I'm wondering if we'll see a sort of icy version of Dance of the Dragons to reflect the fiery one we're likely to see between Dany and Aegon. Looking at the succession crises in Fire and Blood, GRRM definitely peppers in nuance on both sides but it does seem like he'd want to address how succession being mostly but not definitively tied to gender keeps leading to these big intra-familial wars, so you'd think he'd want to settle the issue by levelling the playing field for both genders, but it'd be complicated to make that happen when our main character Jon stands in the way of not one but two lawful female heirs in Daenerys and Sansa.
I really wish we get a super gothic chapter perhaps a prologue where Jon wreaks bloody vengeance on his killers in a similar vein to Theon in Winterfell or the mutiny on the Fist all going wrong when the White Walkers attack ... like we see all the mutineers plans to take control from their POV but they're just getting picked off one by one by Jon's spirit in Ghost or his literal ghostly ressurected body ... horror vibes to kick off the Winds of Winter...
To make a big point about the unfinished books in ASOIAF, I think the final season as a whole is the prime example of something (outside of problematic writing, etc) falling under the weight of it's own complexities and ideas. Also probably why Martin is having issues with the final two books, because he's going to have squeeze everything left into those, but also make it clear what the story is truly about and saying
The show's failures had nothing to do 'complexities or ideas'. Quite the opposite. And it wasn't the last season when the downfall happened, This was just the moment when even the most delusional and desperate fans could no longer deny it.
I feel like if they didn’t do his POV it would feel like the show more having john be this different character without knowing what’s going on in his head
I think the direwolf involved with the Bolton hounds is going to be shaggy dog since the manderlys seem to have him safe
I am three moths older than AStorm of Swords, my second favourite ASoiaf book. We are really eight years older than book Jon.
Jon is the reason I love a Storm and Jaime is the reason I love A feast. And the burns Jon serves 😂😂😂
I feel like his name is aemon. I don’t think rhaegar would name 2 kids aegon.
In honor of Maester Aemon…. That would be sick
@@Novabunny_ I was thinking the dragon knight but he works too lol
Maybe its just because its one of my favorite scenes in the show, but I do hope winds has Jon being named King in The North.
I feel like we're gonna get a few chapters of "Ghost" first then the resurrection.
I like the idea that after the battle of the Bastards Ramsey flees and Jon hunts him down with ghost and maybe some other wolves so Ramsey finally knows the fear of being hunted rather than being the hunter. This is my head cannon till TWOW comes out
I keep remembering a GRRM quote when someone mentioned that Jon was dead... and whether he'd be resurrected, he said "Oh, so you think he's dead, do you?" That kind of haunts me a bit - maybe he's not dead? Then I think of the switcheroo between Mance and Rattleshirt... and I wonder if there might have been a switcheroo involving Jon, you know? Jon and Tormund, maybe? They closet with Melisandre (Jon's only hope, apparently) for an hour or two before sharing the contents of the pink letter... so I have to think they came up with some strategy to deal with that... a viable one... but who knows? GRRM doesn't want us asking about when TWoW will be done... but it IS the question constantly in my mind. I think I've listened to a few of your videos... and I think I'll have to go listen to a few more.
About Jon's resurection, how will this physically effect him? Coldhands can't enter Bloodraven's cave or pass through the wall, the same applies to the wights, at least on their own.
Will he be unable to pass through the wall again? Will he be unable to enter Winterfel? Maybe this is why they'll bring down the wall, because they need Jon to stop them but he can't get to them.
The fandom seems really certain Stannis will win in the north. Stannis would never allow another king in the realm. For Jon to be Robb’s heir and king in the north, Stannis has to die. Stannis will never reach winterfell, he may defeat part of the boltons army but he will die in the battle.
Stannis wont solve the northern storyline imo. Especially since it’s confirmed he burns Shireen. I think he wins the battle of ice but it might be a Pyrrhic victory or it doesn’t go completely to plan.
Or the Northern lords are just using Stannis to get rid of the Bolton’s and once brother of them are disposed of they’ll initiate a Stark restoration.
@@Deadj90 I find it unlikely that Stannis will take out both Roose and Ramsay and then be taken down by colluding northern lords when he essentially delivered them from their enemies. I’m not certain he will give a direct order to burn shireen in person, (If this order does occur), especially when they are so far away currently. Anything that isn’t in a published book isn’t canon. Perhaps he burns shireen after the first round of fighting, I just don’t see him defeating the boltons at the moment.
make a brienne video please
or davos/rickon!!!
great video as always my dude, awesome video