I found a Bonier in The Nose (eagle ledge), and I was very happy to see a Brazilian product on the most famous route in the world, my profile photo shows this.
As other guys said, the Bonnier company is very popular around the entire Brazilian climbing points. Even they have another such product called as "Pingo" (kind of usual protection, but with a soft edge allowing to rappelling off), very lightweight and cheap. Take a look as soon as you get a chance. Thanks for your amazing content, Cheer's from Rio de Janeiro 💪🏽
These are getting quite common here in Brazil... they are generally placed as doubles at rappeling areas. Most anchors are sketchy homemade metal "P-Hooks" as we call them, that look like they were made from rebars hahaha (i've taken some whippers on them and i'm still here). so its good to see these Bonier getting more used. blogdescalada.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/grampo-p-2.jpg
There are quite a few of those in my local crags (Rio de janeiro), never knew it was from a Brazilian company and not widespread! In my experience it just works, never had any problems
Love the channel Ryan. I always recommend your stuff & I hope to bring in more subs for your channel!! I also think its time for a MONTAGE of all your break tests! Just pure breakage fun from the 1st test to now ( or groups of idk 50?at a time if 334 is too many all at once)
Dude, you guys are doing awesome! Is there a piece of gear you haven’t had a chance to break? I’ve got some totems that might be in need of destruction?
Seem pretty sweet. Perfect for obscure routes that need rap stations but don't see huge amounts of traffic. Solid rings would be better in that case, imo.
Have you guys ever tried breaking the removable hangar bolts from Petzl? I guess they are really easy to remove without any tools needed. I'm curious how bomber they are, does repeated use mess up the holes? and would it be a great option to prevent thieves without using a glue in permanent solution.
I’ve used them an hung/belayed from them on the cliff but never pull tested! One has to believe that Petzl has done extensive research on them! I don’t think they would put anything on the market that would not perform as stated.
Parabéns por fazerem estes testes e mostrarem a alta qualidade e segurança dos equipamentos Bonier, nosso parceiro comercial. Aqui na Forplas vendemos diversos equipamentos Bonier.
That warranty is likely an artifact from Brazilian legislation that requires safety equipment to specify it. If it comes from the law so it does not have to make sense.
Would it be possible for you to have video about the strength of a figure of 8 and a bowline with yosemite finish? and would it be safe for u to do lead falls using that knot
I ran into 2 of these at pinnacles national park in CA today. They seemed fine but they were kind of a pain in the ass in terms of getting myself in on the anchors and threading the rope through. Probably just inexperience though in using them.
Brazilian Steel, not as sh*t*y as its pr*sident, yay!. These hangers with a curvature radius should be the standard, really. Not only useful to rappel from (in the double version that you tested) but also much more biner preserving in the single version.
I just saw something about these online somewhere a couple weeks back (not here). I was intrigued. I was actually at @Mountainworks in Provo, UT a couple days ago, and they had like a hundred of these for $8.25 each. So I bought a couple pairs. I haven't drilled and bolted them yet, but I will in the upcoming next couple days. I have high hopes. AND! They're cheaper than a ClimbTech Hanger with Ring which was $11.50. Sooo... Much better value as well?
I have actually talked to a couple people who have used Bonier Duplas (and PinGo and SimPles) hangers in the wild, and they are BIG fans. I made this short video demonstrating the capabilities and function of them. I’ll be bolting some next week for actual real world use. facebook.com/groups/371225790429103/permalink/788176165400728/
Hat definetely on :D A visual scale of the break values would be really nice, with notable notches of average whipper, average static rope break, average line break, etc… that will put numbers in perspective for beginers.
Seems like the would be a pain on multipitch anchors, what are you going to clip yourself into while you are threading the rope to rap? Having two people clipped to the hangers and then trying to thread the rope through the same hangers sounds maddening. Seems like a cool design untill you actually think about using them... Also your wear component (the hanger in this case) is not easily replaceable with a design like this
It works pretty well, here (Rio de Janeiro) we use in multipitch a lot, the biggest problem actually is the other model that this brand Bonier has. The Pingo. Works amazingly when used like a regular bolt, but terrible in rapel station, they will probably test one some episode. But yeah, rapel stations with rings is more comfortable and easy to maneuver but a lot more expensive (dupla costs something like 4-5 dollars)
- Fabricado no Brasil! - Written in Portuguese - - Já usei. Recomendação: usar mosquetões (carabiner) grandes. Se for usar mosquetões. Valor. Para nós: é muitos Reais (moeda nacional). Aqui, o aço é caro. Existe uma desproporção de valores de alguns produtos, com outros países. - Não Considere o "câmbio" de moedas. Considere 24 "$" para o Brasil e 5 "$" para USA. É muita diferença! Exemplos: mosquetão oval de liga de alumínio, Brasil 30$, USA 5 or 6$. Corda para escalada - dinâmica: Brasil 1200$, USA 150 a 200$! - Salário mínimo U.S.A. +- 1.250 $ (Dólares). Brasil 1.100$ (Reais R$).
Interesting. Never seen a real hanger in Brazil. Would love to see you break those "P" bolts they use down there in Rio ? They are an interesting piece of Kit and you can rappel off of just one if you trust it. Not sure if they are homemade or manufactured but they are everywhere in several different sizes from scary quarter inches to burly 3/4 I think
They are homemade but now when the p-bolt need to be replace you see some of that Dupla on the rapel station or the most common one the Pingo (same Bonier but other model). Some Pbolts have been replace for titanium bolts as well
@@HowNOT2 I could have just looked at their web page and figured out that they are made from 304 steel. Are they really thoug or do I have trust issues? 😅
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I found a Bonier in The Nose (eagle ledge), and I was very happy to see a Brazilian product on the most famous route in the world, my profile photo shows this.
👏👏👏👏👏👏 Brazilian brand, proud!!!!
As other guys said, the Bonnier company is very popular around the entire Brazilian climbing points. Even they have another such product called as "Pingo" (kind of usual protection, but with a soft edge allowing to rappelling off), very lightweight and cheap. Take a look as soon as you get a chance.
Thanks for your amazing content, Cheer's from Rio de Janeiro 💪🏽
Ah, pelvic humor. For when you're trying to be twice as hip.
That is good!
Keep up the good work always love to see the new content
Thank you for that "wasted" 20 seconds. Was wondering the Bonier was located.
wow can't believe it! I've rappeled on these multiple times in boulder canyon before i saw this video. didn't realize they were actually rare
Love the more frequent uploads! keep up the awesome work!
those look cool! would save significant weight and space for those backcountry approaches. Great content as always
this is the one i was looking for. i had searched many hanger. just this one can use directly for hanging rope
8:03 "Don't take 45kn whippers"
So I can't even lead climb with my static rope? What a bad hanger...
You just need to start using your 5/8 dyneema winch line for lead climbs with glue in eye bolts 😄
If this hanger won't let me whip my brain out of my backside, what are they good for?
🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Muito massa!
Bonier entregando a mais do que promete.
Shooooow 🤘🏻🚀
Excellent video! Excellent hanger too. Would be nice if you guys can test the Pingo, also from Bonier.
I like em'! Sweet hangars!
Looks like they cost about 24$Real, or about $4.50 USD....or $3.80 in qty of 4 or more.
nota bad price! where are you seeing them for sale? the link in the vid description did not have an option to purchase. (unless i missed it) thanks!
@@gordonschafer1065 www.climbcenter.com.br/escalada/chapeleta-inox-dupla-30kn-bonier
"would whip" 😂
That needs to be a t-shirt.
Hi I got some contacts in Brazil and can check how much it would be to import a few.
I'm familiar with this bolts. They are super good indeed
Edits are good! Everything and everyone can be better:)
These are getting quite common here in Brazil... they are generally placed as doubles at rappeling areas. Most anchors are sketchy homemade metal "P-Hooks" as we call them, that look like they were made from rebars hahaha (i've taken some whippers on them and i'm still here). so its good to see these Bonier getting more used.
blogdescalada.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/grampo-p-2.jpg
There are quite a few of those in my local crags (Rio de janeiro), never knew it was from a Brazilian company and not widespread!
In my experience it just works, never had any problems
Love the channel Ryan. I always recommend your stuff & I hope to bring in more subs for your channel!!
I also think its time for a MONTAGE of all your break tests! Just pure breakage fun from the 1st test to now ( or groups of idk 50?at a time if 334 is too many all at once)
I could do another.... i did the slow mos from our desert tests ua-cam.com/video/FmEM7PEysZI/v-deo.html
@@HowNOT2 Thx! Don’t know how I missed this video.
Definitely gonna b looking into these im gonna rebolt a route here in the upper peninsula and these would b perfect at multi pitches
The warranty 😂😂😂
8:00 “Whooooo! Don’t take 45 kilonewton whippers” 💀💀
Dude, you guys are doing awesome! Is there a piece of gear you haven’t had a chance to break? I’ve got some totems that might be in need of destruction?
That's sick! There's one on a fun 11 here in slc called weed killer/weed b gone. Have you guys tested rams horns?
How strong is the loop leftover after it’s broken??
Seem pretty sweet. Perfect for obscure routes that need rap stations but don't see huge amounts of traffic. Solid rings would be better in that case, imo.
Perfect Owen Wilson 4:20
Have you guys ever tried breaking the removable hangar bolts from Petzl? I guess they are really easy to remove without any tools needed. I'm curious how bomber they are, does repeated use mess up the holes? and would it be a great option to prevent thieves without using a glue in permanent solution.
yup... got 3, just need good granite for a fair test and I have the unique drill bit in the mail for it
I’ve used them an hung/belayed from them on the cliff but never pull tested! One has to believe that Petzl has done extensive research on them! I don’t think they would put anything on the market that would not perform as stated.
@@HowNOT2 Can't wait to see it!!
@@bobclark2300 So it takes a special drill bit to make a certain hole then? Are they pretty easy to use?
Parabéns por fazerem estes testes e mostrarem a alta qualidade e segurança dos equipamentos Bonier, nosso parceiro comercial. Aqui na
Forplas vendemos diversos equipamentos Bonier.
That warranty is likely an artifact from Brazilian legislation that requires safety equipment to specify it. If it comes from the law so it does not have to make sense.
Would it be possible for you to have video about the strength of a figure of 8 and a bowline with yosemite finish? and would it be safe for u to do lead falls using that knot
I ran into 2 of these at pinnacles national park in CA today. They seemed fine but they were kind of a pain in the ass in terms of getting myself in on the anchors and threading the rope through. Probably just inexperience though in using them.
"don't take 45 kN whippers" thanks Ryan, I'll keep it mind next time I jump off a cliff with my static rope
Can you please make a video, how to break atc guide
Brazilian Steel, not as sh*t*y as its pr*sident, yay!. These hangers with a curvature radius should be the standard, really. Not only useful to rappel from (in the double version that you tested) but also much more biner preserving in the single version.
That's a strong bonier.
Interesting design, can you put there more carabiners inside them, becauae they have two sides? Or are you even allowed to do that?
I just saw something about these online somewhere a couple weeks back (not here). I was intrigued.
I was actually at @Mountainworks in Provo, UT a couple days ago, and they had like a hundred of these for $8.25 each. So I bought a couple pairs. I haven't drilled and bolted them yet, but I will in the upcoming next couple days. I have high hopes. AND! They're cheaper than a ClimbTech Hanger with Ring which was $11.50. Sooo... Much better value as well?
I have actually talked to a couple people who have used Bonier Duplas (and PinGo and SimPles) hangers in the wild, and they are BIG fans. I made this short video demonstrating the capabilities and function of them. I’ll be bolting some next week for actual real world use. facebook.com/groups/371225790429103/permalink/788176165400728/
Have you pull tested rope through a normal sharp hanger (guessing yes). If not, it would be interesting to know how bad it would be.
Very important test, we only use Bonier in your practices.
Hat definetely on :D
A visual scale of the break values would be really nice, with notable notches of average whipper, average static rope break, average line break, etc… that will put numbers in perspective for beginers.
Did you try one lobe?
The American Safe Climbing Association...of America.
Technically couldn’t you still you use on the bit that is still attached
Ryan, In order to use these in the US would they need to be CE/UIAA rated? Just asking....
Everything, really EVERYTHING in Brazil must have an expiration date or warranty time ...
Just a question here... why do the actual bolts not have a warranty if the hangers do?
@@bobclark2300 no clue sir...
@@gustavobroglio5873 Thank you!
Seems like the would be a pain on multipitch anchors, what are you going to clip yourself into while you are threading the rope to rap? Having two people clipped to the hangers and then trying to thread the rope through the same hangers sounds maddening. Seems like a cool design untill you actually think about using them...
Also your wear component (the hanger in this case) is not easily replaceable with a design like this
It works pretty well, here (Rio de Janeiro) we use in multipitch a lot, the biggest problem actually is the other model that this brand Bonier has. The Pingo. Works amazingly when used like a regular bolt, but terrible in rapel station, they will probably test one some episode.
But yeah, rapel stations with rings is more comfortable and easy to maneuver but a lot more expensive (dupla costs something like 4-5 dollars)
- Fabricado no Brasil! - Written in Portuguese -
- Já usei. Recomendação: usar mosquetões (carabiner) grandes. Se for usar mosquetões.
Valor. Para nós: é muitos Reais (moeda nacional). Aqui, o aço é caro. Existe uma desproporção de valores de alguns produtos, com outros países.
- Não Considere o "câmbio" de moedas. Considere 24 "$" para o Brasil e 5 "$" para USA. É muita diferença! Exemplos: mosquetão oval de liga de alumínio, Brasil 30$, USA 5 or 6$. Corda para escalada - dinâmica: Brasil 1200$, USA 150 a 200$!
- Salário mínimo U.S.A. +- 1.250 $ (Dólares). Brasil 1.100$ (Reais R$).
Interesting. Never seen a real hanger in Brazil. Would love to see you break those "P" bolts they use down there in Rio ? They are an interesting piece of Kit and you can rappel off of just one if you trust it. Not sure if they are homemade or manufactured but they are everywhere in several different sizes from scary quarter inches to burly 3/4 I think
They are homemade but now when the p-bolt need to be replace you see some of that Dupla on the rapel station or the most common one the Pingo (same Bonier but other model).
Some Pbolts have been replace for titanium bolts as well
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B-OOH-NER.
Wow this would catch a small car.
you know we speak portuguese down here! Congrats!
Ate da nada...
great video. can i buy some overstock coffee to support the show and clear out some of your inventory?
I’ve used the Petzl removable 12 mm bolts. They are amazing and very easy to use.
What a pity to use 304.
Would be cool if you could place them outside. Then make another video in a year or something, to see if they have corroded.
Why would they corrode? It also depends where I put them.
@@HowNOT2 I could have just looked at their web page and figured out that they are made from 304 steel. Are they really thoug or do I have trust issues? 😅
No hat freaked me out..
Don't take 45 kn whipper .. because youll break your body in half??
From the cornhole view, exposes the weak point. But at 45k its still good.
Ya' think?
You say B O N I E R.
Для алгоритма :)
I am watching you over a year and maybe more i don't know,i find your channel f@cking Amazing and i don't get why you have such a less o viewer's and not sponsors,look you have Great ideas but something you are doing wrong with advertising your self.Maybe you should exploade something with that that gear or something with fire or freezing them and put them after stress just do something fancy so you get viewer's and From that sponsors and from that more variant test.
Friendly a fan from Europe
No fun jokes, try to focus
First
no hat = homeless! also the editing team for Tenet has nothing on you!