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Southeastern railway Class 707 Introduction Update - January 2021
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2021
- This is the January 2021 update from Southeastern Railway regarding the introduction of the class 707 Siemens Desiro trains on their suburban rail services.
Train sets 707003 and 707004 are currently being used for both driver training and other training related tasks, e.g. train maintenance.
According to the video, the train sets are currently being stored at the Grove Park train deport.
The new train sets will eventually be liveried in Southeastern dark blue and yellow, replacing the old South Western Trains red, yellow and blue livery.
The trains sets are 30 five-car trains in total and have been financed under the Direct Award Contract with the Department for Transport.
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SWR: not even a single goodbye
SE: omg I'm so excited!!
SWR never ordered them in the first place.
Yep, it was
SWT: order brand new 707s
SWR: takes over and gets the 707s transferred to southeastern
Southeastern: will take good care of the 707s
SWR: GETS CHEAP PLASTI- **BLEEEEEEEEEEEP**
@@gokulsavi swr new train replacing 707 are much better and class 707 are like the crappy thameslink trains
@@gokulsavi Well siemens are not that great I actually went to Basingstoke station where a class 450 caught fire and if it's anything like German engineering (mercedes) then god help South Eastern obviously you realise that all trains bodies are aluminium they have got to be by law obviously you don't know how trains are built I suggest doing some more research before spouting off lets hope your 707's don't catch fire lol
@Blaze646Epic Unfortunately thanks to thatcher all British Train building has been sold off but then again Britian comes top when engineering HST Fastest Diesel Train in the world and still holds the record today Alstom Pendolino tilting mechanism derived from the British Rail APT if our conservative Government invested in British Engineering then what knows what could have happen
South Eastern drivers are going to be absolutely loving these.
Speaking personally I can vouch for that. Shame to loose them!
@@DesiroDriver yup, best thing in SWR fleet. I absolutely loved driving them
not all the time there may be old drivers who like the old Class 465's or 376's cuz there gonna be replaced soon.
First video I’ve really seen about their transferral to Southeastern. Great work, keep it up! 👍
0:27 They didn't say nothing about ironing board seats
The Class 465 is reliable in some way because it had a toilet but the 707 doesn't.
We want our 707s back, miss driving these 😞
@Southeastern Hub indeed
I Love This Train, Also The Class 377, And 465! I Can't Wait To See Some Trainspotting Videos On These Since Sadly I Don't Live In The UK
The last time I drove 707004 was to Windsor, am soooo going to miss them.
Are you a driver?
Nice I get the 707 from Windsor all times
@@canadawater4281 Yeah, I am a driver, for the moment the 707 is the best train we have on swr.
Saw on of these in Ashford depot a couple of weeks ago
Brilliant trains but sad to see the networkers leaving, I still think the networkers are nicer tho because they have so much character to them, the Desiro family has rlly nice motors tho but so does the 465/9 and 466.
Wouldn't it have made more sense for Great Northern to get these and then GR 387s to move over to South Eastern?
Southeastern already has class 387s that are used for its long distance journeys, typically to the coast.
@@eattherich9215 South Eastern doesn't have any 387s it has 375s and 377s. Only GWR, GN, GX & C2C have 387s.
Stagecoach livery so colourful, love those colours, but Southeastern blue better then the South Western Railway grey and also Thameslink colours.
At least some trains still have colour in them, rather then just grey or white.
They probably feel edgy making them grey and white...like " oooh look at us..so professional"
When colour looks alot better on trains. The red was amazing. But MTRs new colour scheme for SWR looks kinda dull in comparison to the older colours
How dare they say networkers are unreliable!
Wish southeastern got some new aventra trains like greater Anglia class 720 and like the London overground class 710 and south western railway class 701 but with toilets
I've just been informed that the 707s will be on the North Kent Line 1st, so Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Woolwich Arsenal and Sidcup!
Thanks for the video its excellent
Are they also to be used on the Maidstone Line as well. And probably used on the North Kent service to Rochester, Gillingham, Faversham and Strood. I probably would think that the Class 707s should operate in Southeast London and North Kent. And to work alongside with the other Southeastern rolling stocks. Except the Bromley North branch line which is mostly to be operated with Class 466s.
If they get signed off to that as so far they only sign routes the current 700s do
I think the Metro routes will see them. So those services that run to Dartford and Gravesend. But also towards London too.
I have noticed that some are still with South Western Railway. But hopefully the rest will be transferred to Southeastern by Spring 2022. But thanks anyway.
@@Andrewjg_89no thanks they should keep some with swr
Great news, but hardly what you'd describe as brand new??
Beautiful video
They're modern, spacious and air-conditioned and they'll really help improve the passenger experience......because you'll be so numb after using the washing board plastic seats you'll wont feel anything, good or bad!!
Its one of my favourite trains and on my train line to but itll be quite sad to see the networkers go
i’d hardly a train with ironing board seats an improvement for passengers.
IKR! I was told though they are getting thicker fabric to make the seats more comfy
Im excited
Great video. ☺️ I prefer the Class 376's, the Class 465's and the Class 466's.
@@elizabethmh_465 They're not. They're just putting some of the Class 465's and 466's on other routes and putting these on the Metro routes to boost capacity.
I think it's also to get the 465s to 12 coaches... However a theory is that the 466s will be the ones to be withdrawn, very sad but it's good the 707s have a new home
@@awesometrainsandbuses yeah it makes sense, maybe they should convert them into extra carriages for extra capacity on the 465. The extra traction motors will make them faster too. And tbh the 465s should get a traction overhaul is im honest anyway. Love the old sounds, they just need some performance boost.
@@awesometrainsandbuses They already run 12 coach 465s in the early morning on Metro routes, I think they want to expand on that 😳
i was so lucky to get a video of one at new cross😂😂😂
They run them on the hither green to Crayford line a couples times a day for test
Should look at that
@@luh_sam12 you are a blessing air
No, not the networkers!
Anything but that.
Welp that just leaves the 455, 456, and 458's to the scrapyard, Unless they get bought
458s aren’t going. There’s some plans for the 458s
458’s are planned to be the first to go. Well after the 707s bow out anyway.
@@DesiroDriver they going to scrap?
The 458s are being used on the Portsmouth Direct line replacing the 422s, swr don't want them and are being sent to scrap. They will be 4 coaches and upgraded to 100mph.
@@millercool21 actually it's 442 not 422 and they are not going to be shortened because the 442 are already 5 car trains
These trains come with cameras for driver dispatch, does this mean the phasing out of platform staff?
So the 707s are replacing the 465s? I thought they were there only for extra capacity.
They can't because they're getting 30 707s and there are currently 143 465s on southeastern.
@@user-me2qq6lx7i yeah, would make perfect sense
i think you will find the 465/0/1s are for the chopping block , the Trailer cars of some of them are going to Chiltern Railways to lengthen their 2 car 165 DMUs to all be 3 car
@@d.b.cooper9915 where did you find this?
I'll be sad to see them go, but to anyone that reads this and loves networkers, dont get upset. Everything must come to an end at some point, besides... she was right. Networkers are unreliable. Ok, the /0s and 1s are more reliable but they're still not that great. Poor things are falling apart and get shat on by the Medway towns (looking at you Shatham and Shittingham).
@Solomon Clarke nah the metcam 465s will be going. Theyll deploy more 376s because not all of them are out on the network. A few often stay in, so you may as well deploy those and replace the unreliable units doing services
More regression. No toilets harder seats with less legroom.
Are SE retro fitting toilets?
@@DesiroDriver i don't believe so?
Yea, this makes me feel 3+2 is better then those seats
Is she right by saying replacing networkers is or is that just a mistake because I thought it would be the 376 electrostars
They are not replacing the 376s. I believe they will go for refurbishment once the 707s are all in service with SE.
They are replacing Networkers so that the Networkers can have 12 coaches, but 466s may be withdrawn
@@thefatcontroller4094 you may be right
@@thefatcontroller4094 I believe it's some of the 465/2s and the least reliable of the 466s
I think it's just all but a couple 466s
its great to see that they will be used. swr and bad they have brought very old trains back and getting rid of their 707 and the very old ones are out of service because they have so many faults its so funny.
The 455s are too old and 458 well it's kind of old
SWR are getting a common fleet rather than a mishmash...
SWR are replacing all their older stock
@@oakridgecrossover3359 they brought back trains from the 80s to do the Portsmouth line what are now out of service as they have broken but getting rid of newer trains like those its weird
@@ryze_phoenix2173 because they had the 442s and they didn't see the reason to scrap them, the first 707 arrived into service 5 days before SWR took over however the 707s are more expensive to lease than their new 701s hence why they got rid of them
Wait I found the actual livery
Will miss these on SWR. I’m not a fan of the Arterios at all
So 707’s at Victoria?
I would assume not regularly, if anything I'm guessing they'll be used similarly to the 376s? Both units being pretty similar in many respects, though more importantly many of the stations on the Victoria route can't handle more than 8 cars, with SDO not being a solution at some apparently (Brixton and Herne Hill come to mind).
@@serailtech That's the idea.
@@serailtech I mean theres footage of them being used on driver training forn the hastings line, so I'm not sure if that's all their gonna be used for. But who knows. It would be a waste of their 100mph potential tbh. Their alot more effective at accelerating than the 375s
@@serailtech yeah of course
@Blaze646Epic: They could, but it would make little sense (they don't do that with the 376s now after all, and it's not the optimal use of them), you'd probably be better off just using the 707s to displace 10 car 46x units and using those released units instead as 8 cars.
Poor 465’s…
Does anyone know the routes the new trains will be on?
What I've heard is that they will either be on the Maidstone routes if not they will be on the Metro routes as they have no toilets so they can't go too far away from London
@Blaze646Epic Being honest, possibly soo. My thoughts would have been from London Victoria but I'll wait and see what happens as the programme continues on with the Class 707s
Will they have toilets put in ?
No-one knows Alex but from my point of view they should, but will wait and see
If only these trains had toilets
Wish southeastern got the same trains as TfL rail class 345 greater anglia 720 and London overground 710 because those trains are much better than those crappy thameslink trains
Does anyone know if these trains will operate down Medway
They don't have toilets, so in theory shouldn't go further than 58 mins from CST/CHX/VIC
@@simontrill540 true, but wouldnt their speed compensate for that, I.e down the Chatham mainline at 90mph , their top speed is beyond the 75mph limits of the 376, and so is their acceleration
@@bb-3653 They may have the potential to go that speed, but they're a metro design & supposed to be updating the metro fleet (ie. the oldest stock SE have). Obviously there may be the odd instance where one gets put out on a Medway service (subject to gauging), but that's intended to be the exception rather than the norm.
@@simontrill540 nah I agree, ive been on some, but given that they have a higher speed maybe they can perhaps make some newer extended services to some sort of distance on a mainline. I mean they make new services ever so often so it would be interesting if they sort of mixed it up due to the trains ability to accelerate and get up to higher speeds.
@@bb-3653 Tbh, I wouldn't have thought so, but you never know...
Will class 375 be withdrawn
Nope 375’s are staying
No Toilets.... Total Fail
these trains have no toilets
Toilets !....
Ghastly trains, interior-wise anyway, you wouldn’t want to go more than two stops.
UNRELIABLE NETWORKERS!?
Yes. They're not reliable. I love em but be honest... they hate any sort of damp or wet on the rails. And they tend to fail a lot
@Solomon Clarke there are no Hitachi motor 465s. They're either Brush or Gec. Brush being the /0s and /1s and GEC being the Metrocammell units, so /9s and /2s.
@Solomon Clarke and to answer that, no. The BREL and ABB built units are reliable in the sense that they're better running than the networkers, but they still have the traits of the metcam units. They slip at any water or grease and get serviced quite a bit. Hence why the coverings are off (because they overheat as well)
@Solomon Clarke it’s exactly the other way around, the hitachi ones are much more unreliable... quite a lot of them have nearly caught fire
@Solomon Clarke ikr... in reality most of the time an “upgrade” is more like a downgrade!
These trains are so boring like the crappy thameslink trains why can’t southeastern get the same trains as greater Anglia class 720 tfl rail class 345 and London overground class 710 as those trains are much better
It's just a seat
@@millercool21 still it’s so uncomfortable
@@millercool21 to me it isn’t the seat has to be comfortable
Well your right tbh the looks and the sounds are nice but the interior is poo mainly the seats