They should have 'disgusting class 465 repay', a scheme like delay repay, that will give you compensation if you travel on a class 465 that hasn't been looked after.
I recall back in the day when 465s were replacing 415s and they were so modern exciting and new that I have a hard time feeling your distance for them. I get that they have been neglected and have had hard lives, but I still think, from a passenger perspective, they are well designed and thought out trains let down by being worked hard and not had the best maintenance.
Tbf valid points, but they also had valid points. Why are more than half the seats broken? There's no way that's neglect; they were obviously never screwed on properly to begin with.
465/9s are the best networkers. In some cases they are better than 375s. 465/9s do have 3+2 seating, some units creak due to age and are limited to 75mph, but they offer a smooth ride and met cam motors. 375s and 377s tend to bounce a lot at speed, and 375/9s offer 3+2 seating. 375s are overall better, but i wouldn't mind a 465/9. I'm not a fan of the BREL 465s and 466s, they have worse interiors and often smell worse than a 465/9
I you think the 465s are crap, you should see the crap we have to put up with on Northern services. The 150s and 319s up here make the 465s look like a definite step up!
Apparently Southeastern are to start refurbishing the Class 376 from 2025. And will have the blue livery just like on the Class 395 Javelin, Class 375 & Class 377/5 Electrostar and Class 707 City Beam. That Southeastern inherited them from South Western Railway.
The Class 465 Rant was funny and I think that Squirrel was shocked that it on a Class 465. Really nice review of the SouthEastern EMUs.... also after my train from Ramsgate to London after visiting Thanet Parkway was a Class 375 and found them rough riders a little.... But I think I was under the wheels
I have to go on 465s everytime I go to London as a visit my family in Bromley and I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION. DOWN WITH NETWORKERS! UP WITH THE CITY BEAMS!
The 376s have served Bromley in the past but they're exceedingly rare nowadays - due to platform lengths on the line between Bromley and Victoria, they can only run the 376s (and 707s) as a single 5-carriage set - if it's a 10-carriage set, then they either have to skip stops or use Selective Opening - in particular, Brixton and Herne Hill are the most problematic as they have junctions on one or both ends of the station, which a train would foul if it is longer than 8 carriages. Typically for this reason, it is rare (but again not impossible) to see 376s and 707s at Victoria - your best chance is if you can catch a Sidcup or Barnehurst service from there, either due to engineering or other disruption. Which is why Bromley is stuck with 465 Networkers!
Come on my line Great Northern, they just got ride of the Class 365 which were in better condition than the 465's, i'm guessing their a lot of vandalism in and out of London on the Southerneastern route. must cost the company a fortune to repair them, Love the 700 though, not a great fan of the class 387's.
The class 395 is the best train on Southeastern period. The toilets are always clean & work. The seats are comfortable & they are fast. The 707’s are nice trains, but they are uncomfortable to sit for any period on & are a lot newer, so will always seem better. My ranking: 1) 395 2) 375 3) 377 4) 707 5) 376 6) 465 (Orange) 7) 465 (Blue) 8) 466
All networkers are better than the horrible 376s The 377 with green seats is because it's an ex southern unit. I've never ridden the 707 or javelins so I cant comment but of the rest: original 375 is best by far, 376 is worst. Why do I hate the 376? No toilets, horrible seats that are far worse than those on the 700s that everyone moans about, stupid perch seats that are even less comfortable still, sliding doors that rattle like crazy. And the "2+2" seating is actually pitched more like 2+3, but with a seat removed. So, OK, there's no middle seat, but they're still narrow! The networkers used to be pretty decent trains for their time, but it's fair to say that they've seen better days. The inter-carriage doors have always been fernikity but (back when I last used them regularly) they did usually work, albeit they often required extra persuasion (button jiggling, hand waving, etc). Maybe they gotten much worse in more recent years though. I also really like the blue+white livery on the networkers, as well as the original nse livery. The yellow and grey seen on the 376s is horrible (is this still seen on some networkers and 375s?)
I mean I don't know because they're replacing 147 4 coach trains and 43 2 coach trains with 30 5 coach trains. They will replace them completely in 2027/2028 when they figure out what more to replace them with
I have commute on 376s quite alot, and let me tell you, they are atrocious, i legit have to get these to school sometimes as my school is in Abbey Wood, they are in really bad condition and the livery is worn out, thank god they are being refurbished
I can't see why people hate the 465s I think that the 465s are decent trains. If you want bad trains take a ride on a pacer (this only now can be done by visiting an heritage railway that has them) that were dubbed the most hated train in the UK but if the pacers were hated so much why did around half of the pacers started new lives in preservation and one is in the national collection. I would like to see the networker units to be preserved. You may hate the 465s at the moment but when the last of them go you will be the first ones to cry when their replacements are so bad that makes you want to be back on a 465 again.
No working toilets on a South Eastern service...what a surprise 😂 Tbh living in Tunbridge Wells coming into London i just care that i can get a seat, the train is punctual and i can use a toilet if necessary. Ive literally got no interest in the types of train
The class 376 is legit so bad if i find out i have one i take an alternative form of travel. You'd be hard pressed to find a worse train. Also i can name waay too many differences between 465/466 and they are both far from bad.
They should have 'disgusting class 465 repay', a scheme like delay repay, that will give you compensation if you travel on a class 465 that hasn't been looked after.
I recall back in the day when 465s were replacing 415s and they were so modern exciting and new that I have a hard time feeling your distance for them. I get that they have been neglected and have had hard lives, but I still think, from a passenger perspective, they are well designed and thought out trains let down by being worked hard and not had the best maintenance.
Tbf valid points, but they also had valid points. Why are more than half the seats broken? There's no way that's neglect; they were obviously never screwed on properly to begin with.
A few weeks ago, I was on a 465/9 (orange poll) out of Charring Cross and instead of the seat cushion being broken, it was the back cushion
DO NOT ride a 376 in a summer heatwave. DO NOT!!!!
i wish you tell me that 5 months ago
@@TD101n-xs3ld That would have been a good idea. I was going up and down opening gangway doors to let the breeze through the carriages
@@chandlerbstransport422 yeah, sadly it doesnt work
@@TD101n-xs3ldI though that the 376 is like the 378 with air conditioning?
@@NATO4623 they are the same train, but with a extra cab window and different seating layout
Have you not considered the fact that 465s are probably the nicest sounding EMUs in the country?
The 377 is actually ex FCC (later Thameslink) who ordered them with southern interiors
465/9s are the best networkers. In some cases they are better than 375s. 465/9s do have 3+2 seating, some units creak due to age and are limited to 75mph, but they offer a smooth ride and met cam motors. 375s and 377s tend to bounce a lot at speed, and 375/9s offer 3+2 seating. 375s are overall better, but i wouldn't mind a 465/9. I'm not a fan of the BREL 465s and 466s, they have worse interiors and often smell worse than a 465/9
agree
Idk why they hate the 465
I you think the 465s are crap, you should see the crap we have to put up with on Northern services. The 150s and 319s up here make the 465s look like a definite step up!
Good point. I've been on a 153 (similar to a 150) and they certainly are not good trains.
if i saw a broken seat i’d gladly steal that seat cushion
Apparently Southeastern are to start refurbishing the Class 376 from 2025. And will have the blue livery just like on the Class 395 Javelin, Class 375 & Class 377/5 Electrostar and Class 707 City Beam. That Southeastern inherited them from South Western Railway.
Great video guys 🙌🏼
4:00 EXCUSE ME, I LOVE 465s
agreed. i literally run for the 465 if i can. Not that the 707's are bad. I would be glad to see the 376's being scrapped tho, the sooner the better.
@@dylanknows-ic125 they won't scrap.the 376s
They came out 17 years ago
@@TD101n-xs3ld what a shame. didn't the dft scrap like barely 10yr old locomotives just a few decades ago?
@dylanknows-ic125 that's Stansted 379s
@@TD101n-xs3ld no. They weren't scrapped, just put into long-term storage and they're soon to be used on Great Northern services.
465s are really good trains
you know that the class 395's are undergoing refurbishment?
The Class 465 Rant was funny and I think that Squirrel was shocked that it on a Class 465. Really nice review of the SouthEastern EMUs.... also after my train from Ramsgate to London after visiting Thanet Parkway was a Class 375 and found them rough riders a little.... But I think I was under the wheels
Well yes, 375s have very poor ride quality especially VS 465s
You guys are so good!
Southeastern have just announced that they're taking bids for replacement of the 465s. I know you all, especially Hugh, will be happy
For context, the 466s used to be the 465/2s before they were refurbished
Incorrect, 466s have always been 466s since new. 34 of the 465/2s were refurbished to make a new subclass 456/9 back in 2005.
Amazing video and i agree 465s r trash. Once i was riding one when i noticed very small rust and disgusting stains on the wall and seats
i love em
you forgot about the 375 sub variants
I’ve heard some rumours that the 376s could be going to southern
Strange that the 465 and 166 are essentially the same train. So different and yet the same inside.
I have to go on 465s everytime I go to London as a visit my family in Bromley and I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION. DOWN WITH NETWORKERS! UP WITH THE CITY BEAMS!
The 376s have served Bromley in the past but they're exceedingly rare nowadays - due to platform lengths on the line between Bromley and Victoria, they can only run the 376s (and 707s) as a single 5-carriage set - if it's a 10-carriage set, then they either have to skip stops or use Selective Opening - in particular, Brixton and Herne Hill are the most problematic as they have junctions on one or both ends of the station, which a train would foul if it is longer than 8 carriages.
Typically for this reason, it is rare (but again not impossible) to see 376s and 707s at Victoria - your best chance is if you can catch a Sidcup or Barnehurst service from there, either due to engineering or other disruption. Which is why Bromley is stuck with 465 Networkers!
Come on my line Great Northern, they just got ride of the Class 365 which were in better condition than the 465's, i'm guessing their a lot of vandalism in and out of London on the Southerneastern route. must cost the company a fortune to repair them, Love the 700 though, not a great fan of the class 387's.
DOWN WITH THE CITY BEAMS
UP WITH THE 465S
Use Thameslink instead of Southeastern.
@@nathanw9770 how tf do you expect me to take thaneslink to erith?
3:55 HOW DARE YOU! JUST HOW DARE YOU!
(P.S I AM A FAN OF 465s)
im a fan of the 465's
Looks like quite a lot of thenproblems with the Networkers seems to be down to poor(if an) Basic maintenance..
The class 395 is the best train on Southeastern period. The toilets are always clean & work. The seats are comfortable & they are fast. The 707’s are nice trains, but they are uncomfortable to sit for any period on & are a lot newer, so will always seem better.
My ranking:
1) 395
2) 375
3) 377
4) 707
5) 376
6) 465 (Orange)
7) 465 (Blue)
8) 466
I remember the 465's appearing on Tomorrow's World for the new traction gear.Makes you feel old when you read they're being withdrawn.
376s are nice trains
Very nice
All networkers are better than the horrible 376s
The 377 with green seats is because it's an ex southern unit.
I've never ridden the 707 or javelins so I cant comment but of the rest: original 375 is best by far, 376 is worst.
Why do I hate the 376?
No toilets, horrible seats that are far worse than those on the 700s that everyone moans about, stupid perch seats that are even less comfortable still, sliding doors that rattle like crazy. And the "2+2" seating is actually pitched more like 2+3, but with a seat removed. So, OK, there's no middle seat, but they're still narrow!
The networkers used to be pretty decent trains for their time, but it's fair to say that they've seen better days. The inter-carriage doors have always been fernikity but (back when I last used them regularly) they did usually work, albeit they often required extra persuasion (button jiggling, hand waving, etc). Maybe they gotten much worse in more recent years though.
I also really like the blue+white livery on the networkers, as well as the original nse livery. The yellow and grey seen on the 376s is horrible (is this still seen on some networkers and 375s?)
Yeah I don't like 376s. They ride badly and are overall vile. 465s are aging a bit though.
Faviiroute southeastern
CityBeams rule!
I'd Rather They'd Replace The 376s With 707s
id prefer 465/466s to the 315s/321s i had to put up with when it was greater anglia then tfl rail
I'm a fan of 465's... aside from the toilet smell
Nooooooooooooooooo not my 465
one little mistake, you confused the 465 and 466 units with each other. 465s are packed, 466s arent😅
465s are 4-carriage units, 466s are the 2-carriage ones! ~Dylan
hm they are pretty similar
South Eastern should get rid of all the networkers and replace them with lots of 707s
I mean I don't know because they're replacing 147 4 coach trains and 43 2 coach trains with 30 5 coach trains. They will replace them completely in 2027/2028 when they figure out what more to replace them with
I love 465s
First comment we've disliked!
@@thetflthreehaha, I understand you 😅
There the worst of Southeastern’s fleet. The class 465
@@thetflthree but not the last...
@@thetflthree I wonder why Southeastern class 377 couldn’t repaint the interior and also they came from the Thameslink
I have commute on 376s quite alot, and let me tell you, they are atrocious, i legit have to get these to school sometimes as my school is in Abbey Wood, they are in really bad condition and the livery is worn out, thank god they are being refurbished
I can't see why people hate the 465s I think that the 465s are decent trains. If you want bad trains take a ride on a pacer (this only now can be done by visiting an heritage railway that has them) that were dubbed the most hated train in the UK but if the pacers were hated so much why did around half of the pacers started new lives in preservation and one is in the national collection. I would like to see the networker units to be preserved. You may hate the 465s at the moment but when the last of them go you will be the first ones to cry when their replacements are so bad that makes you want to be back on a 465 again.
No working toilets on a South Eastern service...what a surprise 😂
Tbh living in Tunbridge Wells coming into London i just care that i can get a seat, the train is punctual and i can use a toilet if necessary. Ive literally got no interest in the types of train
There is a reason why i prefer to go to STP and not VIC!
395 is the best
The class 376 is legit so bad if i find out i have one i take an alternative form of travel. You'd be hard pressed to find a worse train. Also i can name waay too many differences between 465/466 and they are both far from bad.
[The soulth east did not like that]
I'm surprised that I'm not the only one who dislikes 465s with a passion
I Would Say The Class 395 Is The Best Out of All Southeastern Trains 👍