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  • @LD-yv2om
    @LD-yv2om 9 місяців тому +138

    The fact you've already made 7 of these, really should be an indicator that the general management of services under privatisation needs to be changed.

    • @kleenexbox974
      @kleenexbox974 9 місяців тому +20

      We gotta bring BR back

    • @devon896
      @devon896 9 місяців тому +13

      @@kleenexbox974 BR was a shambles and is often over glorified because of the HST and 225s.

    • @volvoolympianforever
      @volvoolympianforever 9 місяців тому

      @@devon896it was going better with sectorisation originally. NSE, Regional and InterCity were all investing pretty heavily to improve their services while Railfreight was also trying to change things when privatisation fuc*ed everything up

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +27

      It doesn't mean nationalisation can't work though!

    • @Teraviliagov
      @Teraviliagov 9 місяців тому +7

      ​@@devon896 as if private rail operators are any better

  • @Pikaling3408
    @Pikaling3408 9 місяців тому +39

    Avanti West Coast might be in the Failed Franchises series quite soon. Heard reports that Avanti could be stripped of its contract within days.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +10

      I've heard it too
      Edit: apparantley MPs have denied this claim...

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 9 місяців тому +3

      I was surprised when their contract was extended last year. Hopefully a OLR takeover will help deal with the huge number of cancellations and get ticket prices down. Their trains are among the best in the UK and the on board product is great, they just cancel a lot and are way too expensive.

    • @Mgameing123
      @Mgameing123 9 місяців тому +1

      @@mrvwbug4423 It won't when the Tories are in power.

    • @seanmawson296
      @seanmawson296 9 місяців тому +5

      Get rid of Avanti and give Virgin back the franchise🚄

    • @Mgameing123
      @Mgameing123 9 місяців тому +1

      @@seanmawson296 No just strip the contract and make a new bidding.

  • @stevegreen8262
    @stevegreen8262 9 місяців тому +12

    One trick they used to pull quite alot was late running trains would just skip stations to get back on time. Often had the train annouced as 'arriving on platform 1', only to have it go sailing past at full speed, and then the platform signs would display 'cancelled'.

  • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
    @LeeSmith-cf1vo 9 місяців тому +4

    It's amazing how quickly people forget. If you compare the service to that of the connex days it really is night and day.
    Tbf I moved out of the area so my experience is out of date now and I understand the networkers are really starting to show their age now, but is it really as bad as connex were? Somehow I doubt it!

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +1

      I did a whole episode on Connex too!

  • @thepotato1178
    @thepotato1178 9 місяців тому +7

    as someone who usually uses southeastern, never knew they were a failed franchise until now

  • @PhilipStorry
    @PhilipStorry 9 місяців тому +4

    As someone using southeastern, I have to say that they were never that impressive. Those good early years weren't their success, they were simply in the right place at the right time. They inherited a much improved service from the Operator of Last Resort, and inherited schemes like HS1. They were very good at claiming the credit for that, but not so good at actually running a railway.
    They weren't as bad as Connex, but that would require considerable malicious effort. Southeastern felt more like they were simply absent from a certain level of management upwards... they had great staff at the lower levels who had learned the lessons from past problems. But the upper management seemed unwilling or unable to learn from them.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +1

      Definitely better than Connex! I made a full video on both their franchises which got stripped. Says all you need to know..

  • @oldtechnobodycaresabout
    @oldtechnobodycaresabout 9 місяців тому +13

    I wouldn't really call HS1 Intercity, more express-commuter

    • @___-000
      @___-000 9 місяців тому +4

      HS1 itself is an intercity or even better than that. It's just that southeastern's use of it kinda devalues the line

    • @nathanw9770
      @nathanw9770 9 місяців тому

      Regional

    • @oldtechnobodycaresabout
      @oldtechnobodycaresabout 9 місяців тому

      @@___-000 yeah I would call it intercity if the trains were specified well but currently they are definitely commuter

    • @oldtechnobodycaresabout
      @oldtechnobodycaresabout 9 місяців тому

      @@nathanw9770 not really, the trains run express for their whole route and don't stop at every station which the SEML 375s stop at

    • @thisis_mudchute
      @thisis_mudchute 3 місяці тому

      id say regional express, but it shouod be an intercity route

  • @CPTrains
    @CPTrains 9 місяців тому +9

    The southeastern franchise wasn't technically stripped of the franchise, just the DfT didn't extend the contract for Govia the extra 6 months that was an option in the contract. The southeastern franchise has been treated poorly for ages. I commute every day on southeastern metro services, and to say our rolling stock is in a bad condition would not be an understatement. Constant short term extensions by the DfT meant that there was no point in investing in any of the metro fleet. You mentioned how the whole southeastern fleet was refurbished. The 375s were refurbished, but not the 465s and 376s. The 465s only got the modifications to make them legal but did not get reupholstered or any real benefit. The 376s are still in their Connex moquette due to the lack of investment. However, I find DfT OLR southeastern worse than Govia. They have continued to not invest in the metro fleet, the 465s are becoming old and reliable, and nothing official is really coming out from southesastern about a 376 refurb. Even the 376 refurb won't be getting air conditioning, a feature on every other electrostar, as that is too much money. DfT southeastern have just cut timetables, and one service I was getting every morning was on average at least 5 minutes late every morning. Trains seemed dirtier and would say more is needed to be done. Is it bad that I found Northern's ex-EMR 156s luxury compared to what I normally travel on?

    • @alistairbeaton7110
      @alistairbeaton7110 9 місяців тому +1

      The class 466 are illegal (no disability mods at all) and the Class 465 are the worst trains in Britain now all the Pacers have been retired. Vomit is cleaner.

    • @Nick_80599
      @Nick_80599 6 місяців тому

      The DFT has worsened it under their control

  • @SaxophoneChihuahua
    @SaxophoneChihuahua 9 місяців тому +7

    are there any well run rail companies in the UK?

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +4

      Well all have their negatives... C2C seems pretty decent, Greater Anglia is decent too. Chiltern is run well in terms of treating staff well but then has the oldest stock in the UK. So, not really!

    • @Mgameing123
      @Mgameing123 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Vanmanyo Chiltern when Adrian Shooter managed it was the best. Though they need to just get rid of those 165's. The 168's are the best trains they have.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому

      I did a whole video on them 😀

    • @rachel.mcgowan
      @rachel.mcgowan 9 місяців тому +2

      They aren't usually thought about because they're not part of National Rail, but I think Northern Ireland Railways do a decent job especially considering they never receive the level of funding they should get, it could be so much better if more money was invested. Definitely a case for new stations and improved frequencies.. and line re-openings in the longer term.

  • @burnsyrail7616
    @burnsyrail7616 9 місяців тому +6

    Is there a possibility that you could cover National Express East Coast in this series because that franchise from what I've heard was definitely not smooth sailing

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce 9 місяців тому +3

      Along with GNER and Virgin East Coast on the same route.

    • @olivergould3878
      @olivergould3878 9 місяців тому +3

      ​@@katrinabryceYup I agree as I've used Virgin to get to Paignton from Manchester and back and GNER to get to London's King's Cross

    • @Pikaling3408
      @Pikaling3408 9 місяців тому +2

      Also National Express East Anglia as well they lost their franchise because of the default of the East Coast route.

  • @AFCManUk
    @AFCManUk 9 місяців тому +5

    I think the 'TFL Three' made a video, showing just how poor the seats on the 465's are. They walked along the carriages, trying to lift the seats, and nearly ALL of them were loose and broken.
    Terrible trains!

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +5

      The Networker units are all like that. The seats are meant to be lifted for ease of replacement I think!

  • @isnitjustkit
    @isnitjustkit 9 місяців тому +5

    I stumbled across this series yesterday and binged it in one sitting
    And then I get rewarded with a seventh? God must be real

  • @penguinking3681
    @penguinking3681 8 місяців тому +1

    I remember catching a train from Beckenham Junction to Herne Hill on SouthEastern, returning home from a day trip out on the trams in Croydon with friends. The power shut off suddenly near Sydenham Hill, one of the most stranded stations on the network. We waited for over an hour, but still the train didn't move. We ended up walking ten minutes to the nearest bus stop, then had to go to Brixton.

  • @and3583
    @and3583 9 місяців тому +8

    "Credit : Myself", very kind of you but honestly I didn't take any of that footage. Thanks though.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +3

      Do apologise 🫣🫣

  • @wclifton968gameplaystutorials
    @wclifton968gameplaystutorials 9 місяців тому +2

    Never really used SouthEastern but the few times I have ever used the service, it has not been very good; once tried to get home (travelling west) from Bromley South only to find that my train was cancelled after someone had successfully jumped in front of a moving train at another station forcing me to get the bus instead, very sad indeed.

    • @andydrew2003
      @andydrew2003 9 місяців тому +1

      In fairness you can't really blame them for that

  • @DeveroonieWasTaken
    @DeveroonieWasTaken 9 місяців тому +5

    incredible video as always, keep it up!

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +1

      Thank you 😄😄😄😄😄

    • @smudgycat6750
      @smudgycat6750 9 місяців тому

      What is this man's budget

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому

      I am jealous

    • @DeveroonieWasTaken
      @DeveroonieWasTaken 9 місяців тому

      @@smudgycat6750 im gonna stop before i go bankrupt

    • @poopoodealer8975
      @poopoodealer8975 8 місяців тому

      @@DeveroonieWasTaken @DeveroonieTrainEnthusiast greetings DeveroonieTrainEnthusiast, j see you have provided support for my good friend vanmanyo in the form of financial aid, while I am not against this, I do see this as a threat to my dominance, in other words i AM the ALPHA WOLF🐺🐺🐺 obey alphawolf165 or I WILL get the authorities involved.

  • @fbiopenup6534
    @fbiopenup6534 9 місяців тому +4

    This is just sad at this point, privatization was a mistake
    Keep it up bro, great video

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +4

      Gives me videos to release though!!

  • @volvoolympianforever
    @volvoolympianforever 9 місяців тому +4

    Were no one in SouthEastern arrested for fraud?

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +3

      I doubt it. It was just unreported finances so SE could just say it was a mistake or something, probably had to pay it back

    • @volvoolympianforever
      @volvoolympianforever 9 місяців тому +2

      @@Vanmanyo ah I see. Still a really bad image for the company like you have said though. Let’s just all wish for a better future for Britain’s railways. Nice work as always Vanmanyo!

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +1

      @@volvoolympianforever thank you!!!

    • @CPTrains
      @CPTrains 9 місяців тому

      @@Vanmanyo I believe the money was the money for access charges to use HS1, but due to service cuts during the first lockdown, the access charges were less so there was this extra money. I believe the money was returned as soon as the DfT realised it.

  • @lordbrit4630
    @lordbrit4630 5 місяців тому

    I've been binging your videos. Love them. Everything you do is great!!! Thanks for the content.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  5 місяців тому

      Thank you!!!

  • @nigelkthomas9501
    @nigelkthomas9501 9 місяців тому +2

    I enjoyed a weekend in Kent in February 2024; check my “Humberside Invicta Weekend” series of videos. I have to say every train I used was near enough to time with no cancellations at all. The only disruption I encountered was buses between Minster and Margate which was because of engineering work.

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 8 місяців тому

    Are Southeastern ever going to replace the Class 465 and Class 466 Networkers if they want to order more new trains. And to inherit extra Class 387s to increase more extra capacity on long distance commuter services in Kent. Since they have got so many trains.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  8 місяців тому +1

      They've already retired a few 465/6s

    • @Andrewjg_89
      @Andrewjg_89 8 місяців тому

      @@VanmanyoAh yes. 👍

    • @aplane9625
      @aplane9625 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Andrewjg_89oh no

    • @aplane9625
      @aplane9625 4 місяці тому +1

      They’re perfect

  • @cptlatency428
    @cptlatency428 9 місяців тому

    This must have taken a crazy amount of research, but this is an incredible video, I salute you!!

  • @Anonymoususer_8823
    @Anonymoususer_8823 8 місяців тому

    Will Southeastern replace the Class 465 and Class 466 Networkers if they were to order new trains and to retain the Class 375, Class 376, Class 377/5 and Class 707. As well as keeping the Class 395 that are used on HS1 domestic services to & from St. Pancras International.

  • @Quebecoisegal
    @Quebecoisegal 9 місяців тому +1

    So the privatization of the railroads is a resounding success, like water and other utilities. this is what happens with unsound ideology is put into place. As for Chris Grayling, wasn't he the guy who paid out your tax pounds to a ferry company which had no ships.

  • @realseb265trainspotting
    @realseb265trainspotting 9 місяців тому +1

    Brilliant video as always. Keep it up!

  • @jimbo6059
    @jimbo6059 9 місяців тому +2

    I personally think that both the southeastern and Southcentral franchises were a complete disaster, both originally run by connex, then govia. Unfortunately we have to still ride with govia as I live on the gtr lines. The government should hsve left the southeast as the network southeast, it ran better and we were seeing results across the network, but government greed took control. Ruined commuting and made the fares prohibitively expensive.

  • @gbrdispatcher2254
    @gbrdispatcher2254 9 місяців тому +5

    Great video mate keep up the great work 🇬🇧👍

  • @andrewbeadle9168
    @andrewbeadle9168 4 місяці тому

    I cant understand why after the SouthEastern episode thy Go-ahead were aloud to keep Southern & Thameslink contracts? surely they should of lost ALL contracts

  • @baconatorrodriguez4651
    @baconatorrodriguez4651 9 місяців тому +1

    I love how the footage has "Myself" credited.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +3

      Haha! Might as well say where the footage has come from! Probably should use "own work" for better phrasing though 😄

    • @baconatorrodriguez4651
      @baconatorrodriguez4651 9 місяців тому +3

      ​@@VanmanyoIt's charming! I'm gonna look out for "Me, Myself and I" or "Yours Truly" on future vids lol

  • @E_WANR
    @E_WANR 9 місяців тому +3

    Another home run of a video !

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому

      Thank you!!!

  • @seanmawson296
    @seanmawson296 9 місяців тому

    Great video, for a bit of fun could you do a fantastic franchise video series.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +1

      I think I would struggle to get it to 15 minutes 😅

    • @seanmawson296
      @seanmawson296 9 місяців тому

      @@Vanmanyo True, perhaps a two part video on some of the best franchises such as Virgin Trains West Coast.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +1

      I did delve into Virgin quite a bit on my three part class 390 series (if you didn't already know about it!), but I might do a series about how virgin had 3 franchises and lost them all

  • @dawezer
    @dawezer 9 місяців тому +6

    Just got there in time before you stopped reading them xD loving your content

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +3

      Haha! Thank you :DD

  • @JBFlytography
    @JBFlytography 9 місяців тому +3

    Abellio when they run Scotrail is another one😂

    • @CaledonianCoins
      @CaledonianCoins 9 місяців тому +2

      Serco when they ran the sleeper service too

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Місяць тому

      Abellio ScotRail made First ScotRail look good! Haha. The SPT did a good job round Glasgow though. I do overall like their post-nationalisation service however.

  • @Yourlocaladd626
    @Yourlocaladd626 5 місяців тому

    southeastern are very good when it comes to commuter short services within London when it comes to frequency but its the longer distance services such as the Ramsgate trains which are not as good as they have only one kind of train that runs the line but on lets say the Charing cross to orpington line you can have a 707 or a 376 or a 465/466 doing the route which brings there frequency up.

  • @Mgameing123
    @Mgameing123 9 місяців тому +1

    In reality its not Govia's fault most of these issues. Its the DFT who was BLOCKING them from buying additional capacity.

  • @ireland3979
    @ireland3979 9 місяців тому +2

    Another really good video!

  • @Nick_80599
    @Nick_80599 5 місяців тому

    Its interesting that Go-Ahead have won the contract to run Dartford's bus company, Fast Track. I think it is a shame that they removed Southeastern from Go-Ahead because it was so much better than British Rail and Connex. Southeastern has gone downhill really badly under public ownership. The government removed Southeastern from Go-Ahead as a punishment for keeping the money, however, it is people like me who feel this the most. Go-Ahead are now picking up bus routes and networks where they have lost rail franchises and where rival companies like Arriva have dropped out.

  • @lovefive5733
    @lovefive5733 9 місяців тому

    A very interesting video, Thank you for uploading this video 😊😊

  • @andrewgee5449
    @andrewgee5449 9 місяців тому

    Like the videos before this is an excellent video. I've been really enjoying them.

  • @1eatransportnorthwest
    @1eatransportnorthwest 9 місяців тому +2

    Lovely video!

  • @christopherli135
    @christopherli135 8 місяців тому

    Avanti WC should be next. How they've not lost their franchise is beyond logic and Reason. Also the WCML should allow more open access operating like the ECML.

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  8 місяців тому +1

      I have done an Avanti video! Just that failed franchises wasn't a thing back then!

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Місяць тому

      It's ironic that part of the idea of HS2 was to free-up capacity for more open-access and local services. I wonder what will be done north of Birmingham now.
      I still think building it up from London was a mistake - HS2 should've been done in parallel with Edinburgh-Glasgow, Leeds-Manchester, and London-Birmingham routes before eventually linking them together. The Spanish high speed rail network is organised like this, with little isolated spurs eventually meeting the main network, and it seems to work well for them.

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 9 місяців тому

    Now I wonder if/when ThamesLink becomes a failed franchise, given they're also run by GoVia.

  • @KennySC
    @KennySC 9 місяців тому

    Another great video!

  • @True_NOON
    @True_NOON 9 місяців тому +1

    Average javelin seat alignment:
    ■■□■□■□■
    _/_/_/_/_/_/_/

  • @owenbuddery3441
    @owenbuddery3441 8 місяців тому

    I would like to see South West trains to be in the failed franchise

  • @darksars3622
    @darksars3622 9 місяців тому +1

    Yes....

  • @mjbetts2017
    @mjbetts2017 9 місяців тому +2

    oh my gee

  • @malachiandmicah
    @malachiandmicah 9 місяців тому

    Bro really did Southeastern but Not East Midlands trains 😢😢😢 EMT When?!?!?!?

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому +3

      were EMT really failed?

    • @malachiandmicah
      @malachiandmicah 8 місяців тому

      Yh kinda, it would be interesting

  • @laurenceskinnerton73
    @laurenceskinnerton73 9 місяців тому

    No surprise.

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 9 місяців тому +2

    Ah the old chestnut 🌰 of blaming the Department of Transport (often blaming Network Rail too)for something they have bid for fully knowing the stipulations.

  • @Sainsburys_Local
    @Sainsburys_Local 7 місяців тому

    expensive

  • @DeveroonieWasTaken
    @DeveroonieWasTaken 9 місяців тому +2

    w

  • @smudgycat6750
    @smudgycat6750 9 місяців тому +2

    Whoo

    • @Vanmanyo
      @Vanmanyo  9 місяців тому

      I agree with you completely here