@@thefateofslate9095 Actually when sound waves hit you it causes thin slices of your body to accelerate at a microscopic level equivalent to far more G's than a fighter pilot undergoes. Remember that sound molecules travel at the speed of sound (actually, even faster than that, but I'm not here to explain that.) Your body is being bombarded by molecules travelling at the speed of sound every second of the day, and this accelerates the molecules of your body individually. The problem is SUSTAINED acceleration. Indeed, when you sneeze, parts of the inside your body travel at 100 miles per hour, if briefly.
Who cares if the camera is good, if the camera is bad, what matters is you're using it to deliver your own content. I'm not saying it is forbidden to get a nice camera.
As the cameraman who filmed this footage may I just clarify one thing. The train was definitely travelling at the full 125 MILES an hour (as others have confirmed by calculation). What I want to say is that most CAB RIDES are simply filmed by the camera being placed in the cab and the cameraman zooming out to the widest angle of the lens. Video 125 has never filmed a true Driver's eye view with a wide angle lens. Just look around you now and think about your eyesight. You can focus in on things a long way away. You see the human eye is nothing like wide angle. It is around 30 degrees horizontal angle of view. In fact the human eye lens is telephoto. Admittedly you have peripheral vision but your focus is narrow. The trouble with filming wide angle is that you only see things close to the train and distorted. The driver is looking into the distance and without distortion. The other aspect of using a telephoto lens (as we always do) is that it makes the speed seem slower. A wide angle lens naturally makes things APPEAR faster. That is why so many people disbelieve the speed. They are used to seeing the usual inaccurate driver's view on virtually ALL other cab rides. I hope that clears up the argument once and for all.
To me it also looked like 130-140 kph (70-80 mph). However, this train leaves the Langley trainstation heading west. Between the first (0:30) and second (0:34) bridge is about 4 seconds. According to Google Maps the distance between the 1st and 2nd bridge is 225 meters. Then the speed is equal to: 225m/4s*3.6 = 200 kph or 125 mph. Q.E.D.
@@SuprSi many trains do, but at least in some cases it only acts for a few seconds and then it lets the brakes lock the wheels again. What you will smell in those cases is the burned brake pads
Only ever smelled train brakes once and it was on a virgin service helping people get home north of Preston. No virgin services were running after we got booted from an overloaded train heading to Scotland thanks to wire issues north of the border. That was until btp saw the numbers of people needing to travel and realised unless a decent sized train was put on, riot was on. Got to Lancaster on the unscheduled service and knew that the driver braked real late. got off at Lancaster and the platform smelled of hot hot brakes. Chuckled as virgin was going to be Avanti in a day or two
Let me explain once again. The human eye lens is NOT wide angle. It would be almost impossible to drive a train at high speeds if that was the case. He or she has to look into the distance just like when driving a car. The trouble is, most cab ride cameramen do not give any thought to this and automatically zoom out to the widest angle on their camera. This is why everyone thinks this viewpoint is wrong. Our Driver's eye views more closely reflect the narrow angle that the driver is seeing with his eyes (in fact it is a compromise between the two, gained with years of experience of such filming). So, to recap, it only LOOKS slow because you are all so used to seeing a wide angle view which gives the IMPRESSION of extra speed. I trust that will put an end to all this speculation and controversy. Peter Middleton.
Musical History yes, not as much in this country as the most wagons it’ll usually take is around 50 at max. Unlike freight trains in USA, Canada etc that take mile-long freight lol
Because this is from year 1993 and the video quality is splendid, also it is interesting to see how they dealt with emergency situations 2.5 decades back.
Just to clear things up, the discussion about how fast the HST was doing when the ATP showed a fault and the brakes were in full emergency, the train was 100% doing 125 mph. There have been HUNDREDS of discussions on this channel over the last 9 YEARS out of thousands of comments and 9.5 million views. I am pleased to say that among those, there have been INDEPENDENT viewers who have done speed/distance calculations to prove beyond doubt the speed that the train was doing at the time. One additional thought from me. With green signals, that far out from Paddington, why on earth would a service InterCity train on the fast line be doing just 80 mph and why would it take over a mile to stop, if the brakes had not been released? I rest my case.
ok, to those who say that this isn't 125mph, that's because a train is much bigger so it appears to be slower. I was driving in an ICE to berlin, the train reached 300kmh (187,5mph) and it never felt like it, more like driving a car at 140kmh.
Shocking the amount of uneducated Americans here who think that EVERYTHING has to oblige with American rules, it doesn't because for a start this was not filmed in the US or have anything to do with the US. This is filmed in the UK under British Rail rules.
+spookywestie And it is also shocking the amount of British people who think that all Americans are stupid and comment in train videos, when in fact those people represent the 1% of the population. And it is actually the British that are stupid for applying this observation to every American in existence. FFS I am an American that is also a rail fan which was able to recognize that this video takes place in the UK, and that U.S. laws and rules don't apply to the UK. Meanwhile the British person is the one that fails to realize that this video has over 900,000 views with probably only a few hundred comments. That is ALOT of Americans that didn't post a comment, and how do you even know that the people that you think are not Americans in the comments are or are not.
Lucky you! When my passenger train goes into emergency brake mode for any reason, I have to be at a complete stop for a one minute before I can regain control of the train. And it certainly doesn't slow down that fast...
Fortunately, when the driver lost control, the train kept going straight ahead. It could have been a disaster if it had turned one way or the other. ;)
They own you as soon as you join. From what ive seen you need to have a very stable home life, pretty much be teetotal and constantly watch how much sleep you get. Safety critical role which of course is the priority but be aware that what you do with your time off has to be carefully managed.
The 125's were the best trains ever made. They looked good, they went fast and might have been modified to bimode trains. An electric unit at one end and a diesel at the other might have solved the problem of diesels travelling under the wires for four hundred miles, without using them. My first train ride on a 125 was a real thrill. There was such an enormous difference in the time it took to travel from Reading to Swindon. In those days in the 1970's there were fewer seats per carriage and consequently more leg room and elbow room. It was a really pleasant experience except perhaps for the hot smell of the brakes being applied, when one was in the vestibule waiting to stop. No
I recognise the voice of the Traction Inspector in this video but can't remember his name being such a long time ago. He was based at Bristol Bath Road and took me on a pre-arranged tour of the depot in July 1991. Must have been with Bristol based HST cab staff when this test was carried out. Also remember Area Movements Inspector from the Paddington end of the Great Western Main Line at this time and the voice is definitely not him. Never got to drive a HST on this stretch of the line as I went the Network SouthEast route (Class 121 / 117 to Class 47/4 and then Turbos) instead c/o the RTS at MacMillan House commencing January 1992. Transferred to Derby Etches Park Depot in 1995 and left InterCity Cross Country in 1997.
During the filming of HST GREAT WEST a number of cab ride shoots were undertaken, believe it or not about 8 in total (the most we have ever done for one production). The emergency stop was during one of these and of course didn't make it into the finished production - one reason why so many shoots. We DID include it in TRACKS which can be found as a bonus on Golden Valley Driver's eye view.
Were you ever allowed or invited to film during the actual ATP system testing when drivers received written authority to try to pass red signals at 125MPH. The objective being to see if the ATP worked as intended? This was of course all done under special working arrangements on trains that were not in passenger service. Apparently the stopping distances from 125MPH to stationary surprised many in how short they were compared to what people expected.
The swedish system, ATC, can not be overridden until at a stand still if you get a failure. You also have to phone up the dispatcher to fill out a form and get confirmation that the signal was actually green, considering the ATC sits in front of you claiming you just passed a red signal. Worse yet, to be really really sure, the ATC then only permits you to do 40 km/h until you pass the next green signal. I had it happen to me a couple of times, once the signal was actually red but it was the dispatchers mistake, and once it was during a day with huge amounts of delay, I had after a wait of probably 20 minutes finally gotten going when just as I got up to that trains top speed of 160 km/h the ATC read a signal as read and it braked (?) me to a complete stop. It then took me another ten minutes to get the dispatcher on the phone to fill out that bloody form... Not a good day at work...
The worst thing about ATP (in the UK) is that the system did not get installed nationwide Instead a cheaper and simpler system was implemented (TPWS) which is only installed at some signals, not all, and it only kicks in if you actually pass a red signal that has the system fitted, or if you approach the signal too quickly
@@pineappleroad TPWS isn't bad. I've worked with all of the systems. Are you a member if the IRSE? What's you real name? Do you work with signalling or fruit importation? And ATP sadly didn't stop some deadly crashes on the Western where ATP was first installed/tested. Ladbrooke Grove. Southall. Now fuck you with your 'worst thing' and made up name and nonsense. TPWS has made the railway SAFER. #ONLY KICKS IN, then just quietly add, or if you are approaching too quickly. Well the approach speed would have already kicked in. GO TO SCHOOL.
@@video125com Will have a look in your online store, soon! I absolutely love the Valentas! Was wondering however, as I'm actually Dutch.. Is payment and shipping to the Netherlands easy? And if not what are the requirements? ☺️ Thanks for your reply! 😄
How fast do you think trains decelerate? That train was 460 tonnes heavy and was built in 1977! A French TGV would take around 1 mile to stop from 125 mph.
The HS125 I was on several years ago came to a complete stop. It seemed as though all the air operated equipment on the train failed as we passed through Swindon station towards London at speed. The train came to a complete stop before the end of the yard on the London side of the station.
The whoosh sound you refer to is the air braking system. What you can hear is the valve opening and all the air being exhausted to the atmosphere meaning that all the brakes on the entire train are fully on.
I'm pretty sure the same thing happened on the East Coast 125 train I was traveling on 2 days ago between Arlesey and Hitchin stations. We were going full speed and then suddenly it braked really heavily to about 20mph and I could smell burning brakes inside the train. Never happened to me before.
Langley is 2-3 miles west of Iver Station on The Western Region Main Line. I witnessed a HST perform a full emergency stop during summer 1986 in almost exactly the same location.
This is because the Paxman Valenta engines were swapped out for quieter MTU engines in all Class 43 sets. Grand Central had the very last Valenta-engine HSTs in service, though they too were changed in 2010/2011.
We were returning from Ffolkstone on the HST, going through a station when suddenly full-emergency stop. Burnt brake fumes invading the carriage. After a few minutes a very calm, pleasant female voice announced, "This journey has been interrupted due to a fatality on the line", in the same calm tone she would've announced any normal delay. A recording I suspect. We sat there as police and railway inspectors walked past our carriage pointing at something beneath it. Then, after about 15 minutes we were instructed to quiety move to the most forward carriage and walk across the platform to a local train whihc was waiting for us. We hear nothing on TV news or radio later. We assumed it was a suicide.
I have worked on the Railway for over 30 years and sadly, it`s a lot more common than you would think, although some fatalities are accidents rather than intentional.
Wow that must have been a bit scary at one point with the driver losing all control - not what you want at 125 mph!! Excellent video production short though it was. Thanks for sharing it and I shall certainly visit your website. Ken
If I'm going to have to read the words "the driver has lost all control", I'm really glad that the context is that the brakes have been applied and the driver can't take them off!
it's not how fast you get the brakes on but getting them off is just as important. when I was I driver we had the 2 pipe system (air brakes obviously) and the brakes came off really fast. but they were messing about with a 1 pipe system which was very slow getting the brakes off which messed about with your timing stopping at stations etc as you always wanted to stop with your brakes practically off.
You couldn't do a running release of an emergency brake application like that in the U. S. The system requires coming to a full stop, because the Power Control Switch (PCS) opens when the train goes into emergency and the time-out does not start until the train comes to a full stop.
Our ATP system in the Netherlands can cause these malfunctions to: if the onboard equipment loses the ATP-code that is flowing through the tracks, it will immediately force a quick-brake, which, as far as I know, can not be interrupted (train has to come to a complete stop and can only gain speed again after adequate air-pressure in the brake-system)
It's more fun when you're on the train running a stop distance test like that. I was lucky enough to run a test on the Long Island RR along side the Sunrise Highway at about 116 MPH back in the early 1980's. The folks on the roadway were in shock, they never saw the 'Silver Snail' run so fast...
1. It's a DRIVER in the UK (correct terminology. We invented railways remember!) 2. There are no dynamic brakes on an HST. That is purely done with air operated disc brakes.
On the speed looking at the film you have to realize that you are very high up in an HST. you are not in a car which is lower to the road. 125mph looks like 65mph when I am driving a train. well train buffs tell us how high you are from the running line in an HST? You have to also understand the drivers rules to understand what actions were taken after the intervention.
+lee coates Hmm... When you are riding a bike and you manage to do 30 km/h it feels like you are going at 150 km/h, yet when you are in a train and you are stuck at 30 km/h because you have a point ahead you feel like you are stopped... because a train is much stabler than a bike and because you are much higher up.
+stepheng1483 I think it has mostly to do with the camera set up - it uses just the normal 46° angle view. That's good for most applications but doesn't give very realistic feeling of speed and distances (thing look to close and slow). Zoom of course make it even worse. Videos like this shud be shot in wide angle (I think picture angles of about 70-90° is the most realistic - extreme wide angle like the go pro make things look too fast and far away instead)
Not as exciting as when we ploughed through a small herd of cows on a Sunday, having only got up to 100+ shortly before that. The HST front end looked very sick.
the day I was passing out on partially fitted freight I ran into a herd of cows at Shrewsbury a few days later passing out on passenger trains I had to stop at Chester as a female passenger had died then had to stop again a bit later on as a passenger gave birth. always happens when you least need it to do. made my passing out days very memorial though.
bobatporty, Does “passing out” mean something different in British than it does in American speech? Because over here in America, it means losing consciousness.
In Switzerland a cow was stood over the track of a small regional mountain train. It wouldn’t budge so the driver just waited and honked his horn and slowly edged the train forward. 😂
The InterCity 125 That was involved in the Ufton Nervet Rail Crash was travelling at nearly 100 mph! With only 2-3 seconds left to stop, it's no wonder that so much damage was caused!
Based ONLY on train sim, I was surprised to see them regain control at 20mph rather than a complete stop. Learned something today, thanks for posting the video
tdurbo Although in this vid it's the failure of ATP that gives the emergency brake application. It was on trials in the UK in the early to mid 90's as a secondary system to AWS (the bells and beeps and the sunflower you see and hear in British cabs). The system was experimental and could be isolated which is what the traction engineer did. You can hear the AWS bell sound as the ATP fails.
They were testing normal operation. Hence the reason the TI dived into the engine room to disable the system and allow the driver to release the brakes. Over here an engineer is someone who practices an engineering discipline. A driver is someone who operates a ground based overland vehicle.
@ismaelkhan it is the ATP system dumping the brake pipe pressure. Once the quick thinking inspector isolates it the driver is able to recharge the brake pipe pressure again and release the brakes to continue the journey.
If someone said to me "Hey kid? want to de rail a train and your allowed to do it?" id be like "FUCK YEAH!" "How would you like to derail the train?" Stick the throttle at max"
+PRESTIGER33 he says he wants to derail a train and you tell him he's a sicko and he should die in a train crash? 1) you're wishing for a train crash 2) you're wishing for somebody to die and 3) derailing train is fub
I recently was on a train that went into quick-brake as the driver activated it as he forgot he had to stop at the next station. Though we were only doing 80 km/h or so, we had an obvious flat spot on the wheels when we gained speed after coming to a complete stop.
We never knew, a possible cause was the train losing the signal from the track or the onboard equipment failure. You ask the question why was the train not allowed to come to a complete stand? The simple reason is that this was a service train heading for Penzance. It had to be got on the move again ASAP.
+Jersey Mike's Rail Videos Normally yes, full stop and 2 minute timeout but as this was in a phase of testing an ATP system and there was a traction inspector on board they overrode the emergency system which also overrode the requirements (its just a switch but it usially has either a lead seal or a glass/plastic tube that has to be broken before it can be used)
+CPU Violet Heart: Nenito BR class 43, Intercity was the company branding, same as Thames Trains, Network SouthEast etc etc, built between 75 and 82, the last built of the class are some 33-34 years old now
Jersey Mike's Rail Videos there are several things that give you an emergency brake application. If your driver went through a red signal because he was having a heart attack would you want the train to be able to continue on its own even at a low speed?
As Jeremy Clarkson once said, speed doesn't kill, it's stopping suddenly......
Absolutely 👍
He once also said (while on a railway line) " A bit of poo's come out !!! "
F=ma. It only hurts when you decelerate and transfer your energy into another body
his genius knows no bounds
@@thefateofslate9095 Actually when sound waves hit you it causes thin slices of your body to accelerate at a microscopic level equivalent to far more G's than a fighter pilot undergoes. Remember that sound molecules travel at the speed of sound (actually, even faster than that, but I'm not here to explain that.) Your body is being bombarded by molecules travelling at the speed of sound every second of the day, and this accelerates the molecules of your body individually. The problem is SUSTAINED acceleration. Indeed, when you sneeze, parts of the inside your body travel at 100 miles per hour, if briefly.
1993 had better cameras than most youtubers today.
Wow! what a sarcasm?
Bullshit
simple man it’s only running at 480p. Your phone camera is way better. But this is a good camera for 1993
Who cares if the camera is good, if the camera is bad, what matters is you're using it to deliver your own content. I'm not saying it is forbidden to get a nice camera.
Ryan W uj
When 1993 video exceeds quality of every single modern "ghost caught on tape" video
if you could see whats happening, you wouldnt belive their story :)
Any Yugoslavian war song from the same time is always in classical 144p
It’s because of these people using crappy digital formats and don’t know how to record properly.
or bank surveillance camera
As the cameraman who filmed this footage may I just clarify one thing. The train was definitely travelling at the full 125 MILES an hour (as others have confirmed by calculation). What I want to say is that most CAB RIDES are simply filmed by the camera being placed in the cab and the cameraman zooming out to the widest angle of the lens. Video 125 has never filmed a true Driver's eye view with a wide angle lens. Just look around you now and think about your eyesight. You can focus in on things a long way away. You see the human eye is nothing like wide angle. It is around 30 degrees horizontal angle of view. In fact the human eye lens is telephoto. Admittedly you have peripheral vision but your focus is narrow. The trouble with filming wide angle is that you only see things close to the train and distorted. The driver is looking into the distance and without distortion. The other aspect of using a telephoto lens (as we always do) is that it makes the speed seem slower. A wide angle lens naturally makes things APPEAR faster. That is why so many people disbelieve the speed. They are used to seeing the usual inaccurate driver's view on virtually ALL other cab rides. I hope that clears up the argument once and for all.
To me it also looked like 130-140 kph (70-80 mph). However, this train leaves the Langley trainstation heading west. Between the first (0:30) and second (0:34) bridge is about 4 seconds. According to Google Maps the distance between the 1st and 2nd bridge is 225 meters. Then the speed is equal to: 225m/4s*3.6 = 200 kph or 125 mph. Q.E.D.
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Exactly the same as what i calculated, assuming the new footbridge is in the same place as the old brick one. A lot has changed.
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wow u actually think that youre the best video producer.. ITS NOT EVEN HD AND ONLY 5K SUBS??
What I love about this is that you hear the alarm of the ATP failing, yet you hear the AWS bell ring to say the signal is green. Brilliant stuff!
DID I JUST SEE 1993 IN THE VIDEO
Surprised me too
Better quality than some 2016 'HD' video...
Yes. They had video cameras back then...
Jonathan Tan hahaa ya true
analogic cassetes are way superior to digital storage
I love the smell of burning steel and fused sand in the morning.
Phillip Mulligan I am also
Do trains have ABS?
@@SuprSi some do its called wheel slips protection (wsp) but hst s dont
@@SuprSi many trains do, but at least in some cases it only acts for a few seconds and then it lets the brakes lock the wheels again. What you will smell in those cases is the burned brake pads
Only ever smelled train brakes once and it was on a virgin service helping people get home north of Preston. No virgin services were running after we got booted from an overloaded train heading to Scotland thanks to wire issues north of the border. That was until btp saw the numbers of people needing to travel and realised unless a decent sized train was put on, riot was on. Got to Lancaster on the unscheduled service and knew that the driver braked real late. got off at Lancaster and the platform smelled of hot hot brakes. Chuckled as virgin was going to be Avanti in a day or two
Let me explain once again. The human eye lens is NOT wide angle. It would be almost impossible to drive a train at high speeds if that was the case. He or she has to look into the distance just like when driving a car. The trouble is, most cab ride cameramen do not give any thought to this and automatically zoom out to the widest angle on their camera. This is why everyone thinks this viewpoint is wrong. Our Driver's eye views more closely reflect the narrow angle that the driver is seeing with his eyes (in fact it is a compromise between the two, gained with years of experience of such filming). So, to recap, it only LOOKS slow because you are all so used to seeing a wide angle view which gives the IMPRESSION of extra speed. I trust that will put an end to all this speculation and controversy. Peter Middleton.
Hmm....it took more time for me to read your message as compared to watching video
@@JohnCena-ns3cg, you are a slow reader. But you learn interesting things both ways.
hi
I always heard a cargo train takes several miles to stop going half that speed, that seems impressive.
Musical History yes, not as much in this country as the most wagons it’ll usually take is around 50 at max. Unlike freight trains in USA, Canada etc that take mile-long freight lol
I guess we all got here by seeing this pop randomly in our recommended videos lol
Dobbo I got here by typing in dank Thomas the tank engine memes
Because this is from year 1993 and the video quality is splendid, also it is interesting to see how they dealt with emergency situations 2.5 decades back.
Just got this random recommendation today lol
Christopher Stevens same
I thought it was from me seeing all of those CTA videos which show full-length runs in a matter of minutes.
Why am I watching trains on UA-cam?
you're too busy procrastinating, while you should be building that wall of yours.
Xiuhcoatl did you just act serious to a fake Donald Trump or are you just playing 😂
Donald Trump bing bing bong
IT JUST GOT 10FEET TALLER!!!!!!!
Donald Trump But I thought Trump supported the railroads?
Just to clear things up, the discussion about how fast the HST was doing when the ATP showed a fault and the brakes were in full emergency, the train was 100% doing 125 mph. There have been HUNDREDS of discussions on this channel over the last 9 YEARS out of thousands of comments and 9.5 million views.
I am pleased to say that among those, there have been INDEPENDENT viewers who have done speed/distance calculations to prove beyond doubt the speed that the train was doing at the time. One additional thought from me. With green signals, that far out from Paddington, why on earth would a service InterCity train on the fast line be doing just 80 mph and why would it take over a mile to stop, if the brakes had not been released? I rest my case.
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@@thesalandarian3314 Hi
IMO it would be helpful if this were in the description. Thanks for the explanation
you too eh? I still get comments on my videos claiming my scales are wrong. because of how they "feel" it should look
alternatively you can call spiderman and he'll stop the train for you
high speed train on open track .... doesn't look very safe ..
No way, I always keep Superman on speed dial.
Hehe
@@zudemaster, sadly, Superman is adhering to lockdown regulations.
Or CJ
For a while I thought the train coming from opposite direction is on the same track 😨
Akash Commander... me too 😂
Parallax error in your eyes ?
That's why this would not be my job. I'd be a nervous wreck after almost wetting my pants twenty times a day.
Ya even I thought the same 😨
Please explain to my why 2.5 million people watched this
3.67*
Clid Gaming frank Sinatra
Cos it's late at night and not a great deal to watch while having a nightcap
Lmao
Rick Oneill 5.6 milions
ok, to those who say that this isn't 125mph, that's because a train is much bigger so it appears to be slower.
I was driving in an ICE to berlin, the train reached 300kmh (187,5mph) and it never felt like it, more like driving a car at 140kmh.
Have you ever been in the new ones going 330km/h? I get to drive them every week and it's just amazing how slow it feels.
fantastic
It definitely looks like more than 150 km/h to me, and that emergency braking is really impressive!
no one said it. wasnt 125mph
I must say its rather impressive how quick that HST slows from 200kmh
How cool is that and gained control just in time to escape from Slough!!! Cheers Dazza
" just in time to escape from Slough" That's the best part )
Shocking the amount of uneducated Americans here who think that EVERYTHING has to oblige with American rules, it doesn't because for a start this was not filmed in the US or have anything to do with the US. This is filmed in the UK under British Rail rules.
+Sid Vicious brush your teeth
+Sid Vicious Thank you, that should sort him out.
+Sid Vicious just brush them bitch
+spookywestie And it is also shocking the amount of British people who think that all Americans are stupid and comment in train videos, when in fact those people represent the 1% of the population. And it is actually the British that are stupid for applying this observation to every American in existence. FFS I am an American that is also a rail fan which was able to recognize that this video takes place in the UK, and that U.S. laws and rules don't apply to the UK. Meanwhile the British person is the one that fails to realize that this video has over 900,000 views with probably only a few hundred comments. That is ALOT of Americans that didn't post a comment, and how do you even know that the people that you think are not Americans in the comments are or are not.
ExcessMean I was referring to a certain few who I noticed, not every American who watched the video. I'm sorry for causing any confusion.
impressive video, just goes to show how much braking force these things can produce cheers for uploading it.
Lucky you! When my passenger train goes into emergency brake mode for any reason, I have to be at a complete stop for a one minute before I can regain control of the train. And it certainly doesn't slow down that fast...
You were a train operator? nice
You have to wait for a whole minute? 😳
Fortunately, when the driver lost control, the train kept going straight ahead. It could have been a disaster if it had turned one way or the other.
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My favorite train, use to ride on it in the late 80’s as a kid. Thanks for the great memories.
Im actually so fascinated by trains and how they work and everything about them, would love to be a train driver one day!
They own you as soon as you join. From what ive seen you need to have a very stable home life, pretty much be teetotal and constantly watch how much sleep you get. Safety critical role which of course is the priority but be aware that what you do with your time off has to be carefully managed.
so was you able to become one yet?
The 125's were the best trains ever made. They looked good, they went fast and might have been modified to bimode trains. An electric unit at one end and a diesel at the other might have solved the problem of diesels travelling under the wires for four hundred miles, without using them. My first train ride on a 125 was a real thrill. There was such an enormous difference in the time it took to travel from Reading to Swindon. In those days in the 1970's there were fewer seats per carriage and consequently more leg room and elbow room. It was a really pleasant experience except perhaps for the hot smell of the brakes being applied, when one was in the vestibule waiting to stop. No
I recognise the voice of the Traction Inspector in this video but can't remember his name being such a long time ago. He was based at Bristol Bath Road and took me on a pre-arranged tour of the depot in July 1991. Must have been with Bristol based HST cab staff when this test was carried out. Also remember Area Movements Inspector from the Paddington end of the Great Western Main Line at this time and the voice is definitely not him. Never got to drive a HST on this stretch of the line as I went the Network SouthEast route (Class 121 / 117 to Class 47/4 and then Turbos) instead c/o the RTS at MacMillan House commencing January 1992. Transferred to Derby Etches Park Depot in 1995 and left InterCity Cross Country in 1997.
I was working on Network Southeast back in 1993 on the very new 319s. Seeing this took me right back. Thanks for posting it.
This video is a proof of where YT algorithm lottery can take you.
That looked impressive. Now, if only I knew what ATP was. Apart from mitochondria being the powerhouse of the cell.
😂😂🤣⭐️
And 8 million people find this watchable content...
Good because it is
1993: nope
2000: nah
2005: abit more...
2015: nope
2019: *THIS IS IS PUT IT ON PPLS RECCOMENDED*
Grammar: *Am i a joke to you?*
There was no youtube before 2005 *facepalm*
@@shashwattrivedi501 i know that, i just commented so as to make a joke, becuz the video was taken in 1993
@@2justin240 lol you need to start from the year video uploaded xD nevermind.
@@shashwattrivedi501 too late. XD
During the filming of HST GREAT WEST a number of cab ride shoots were undertaken, believe it or not about 8 in total (the most we have ever done for one production). The emergency stop was during one of these and of course didn't make it into the finished production - one reason why so many shoots. We DID include it in TRACKS which can be found as a bonus on Golden Valley Driver's eye view.
Were you ever allowed or invited to film during the actual ATP system testing when drivers received written authority to try to pass red signals at 125MPH. The objective being to see if the ATP worked as intended? This was of course all done under special working arrangements on trains that were not in passenger service. Apparently the stopping distances from 125MPH to stationary surprised many in how short they were compared to what people expected.
Why is this in my recommended?
LostHanded i was thinking the same
LostHanded cause google knew you would click it
Google you like speed! :)
Because you watched a train video
Seems like it came out the woodwork again
Yes, this is the standard ATP signal loss mode where by the train implements full backup default braking. I teach this in my classes.
The swedish system, ATC, can not be overridden until at a stand still if you get a failure. You also have to phone up the dispatcher to fill out a form and get confirmation that the signal was actually green, considering the ATC sits in front of you claiming you just passed a red signal. Worse yet, to be really really sure, the ATC then only permits you to do 40 km/h until you pass the next green signal.
I had it happen to me a couple of times, once the signal was actually red but it was the dispatchers mistake, and once it was during a day with huge amounts of delay, I had after a wait of probably 20 minutes finally gotten going when just as I got up to that trains top speed of 160 km/h the ATC read a signal as read and it braked (?) me to a complete stop. It then took me another ten minutes to get the dispatcher on the phone to fill out that bloody form... Not a good day at work...
Safety > Convenience. Other systems aren't that well controlled, look what happened here in germany (Bad Aibling) because the dispatcher fucked up.
The worst thing about ATP (in the UK) is that the system did not get installed nationwide
Instead a cheaper and simpler system was implemented (TPWS) which is only installed at some signals, not all, and it only kicks in if you actually pass a red signal that has the system fitted, or if you approach the signal too quickly
@@pineappleroad TPWS isn't bad.
I've worked with all of the systems. Are you a member if the IRSE? What's you real name? Do you work with signalling or fruit importation?
And ATP sadly didn't stop some deadly crashes on the Western where ATP was first installed/tested. Ladbrooke Grove. Southall.
Now fuck you with your 'worst thing' and made up name and nonsense.
TPWS has made the railway SAFER.
#ONLY KICKS IN, then just quietly add, or if you are approaching too quickly. Well the approach speed would have already kicked in. GO TO SCHOOL.
I dug the signal cable trench from Sough to Taplow one summer (1972 I think) 10 metres per day with 10 other guys!
Great footage, and might I say; that 125m/ph driveby at the start... Oh my. 💓 The 'real' HST's really were a sight to behold.
Plenty more like that in HST TRACKS - The Valenta Scream for just £10. (Preview it at video125.com)
@@video125com Will have a look in your online store, soon! I absolutely love the Valentas! Was wondering however, as I'm actually Dutch.. Is payment and shipping to the Netherlands easy? And if not what are the requirements? ☺️
Thanks for your reply! 😄
@@MeesterMichelMHST TRACKS DVD is easy to order from other countries. Netherlands is just £2.50 extra. Pay online with cards no problem.
@@video125com Thankyou! I'll look into it soon! 😄
It decelerated slower than i thought a train would
Trains are insanely heavy with less traction than a truck weighing half as much, this was impressive.
A TGV going at 300kph needs 1,6km to make an emergency stop
Delicious Kawaiigami I'm thinking quite the opposite
How fast do you think trains decelerate? That train was 460 tonnes heavy and was built in 1977! A French TGV would take around 1 mile to stop from 125 mph.
The HS125 I was on several years ago came to a complete stop. It seemed as though all the air operated equipment on the train failed as we passed through Swindon station towards London at speed. The train came to a complete stop before the end of the yard on the London side of the station.
It certainly woke me up! Cheers, Peter! You mention the APT a lot in your vids, now I've seen it work, I'm with Mr Finchfield.
The whoosh sound you refer to is the air braking system. What you can hear is the valve opening and all the air being exhausted to the atmosphere meaning that all the brakes on the entire train are fully on.
used to watch these from above the tunnel ( borehamwood and elstree ) going to kings cross about 1980 :))
I'm pretty sure the same thing happened on the East Coast 125 train I was traveling on 2 days ago between Arlesey and Hitchin stations. We were going full speed and then suddenly it braked really heavily to about 20mph and I could smell burning brakes inside the train. Never happened to me before.
Langley is 2-3 miles west of Iver Station on The Western Region Main Line. I witnessed a HST perform a full emergency stop during summer 1986 in almost exactly the same location.
Ah 1993 when trains went fast, unlike today where your lucky if a train ever gets going thanks to constant strikes and delays.
Ummm IIRC the last national rail strike was under BR.
You're so clueless it's embarrassing.
Humble Pie Its just a joke mr not so humble pie.
Leafs on the line
nonsense, intercity trains still run at 125mph
what glorious form of media was this recorded on? because it makes england look stunning!
This is because the Paxman Valenta engines were swapped out for quieter MTU engines in all Class 43 sets. Grand Central had the very last Valenta-engine HSTs in service, though they too were changed in 2010/2011.
Everytime I see this video, I enjoy watching it.
“Britain’s favourite railway video producer”
*You’re goddamn right*
We were returning from Ffolkstone on the HST, going through a station when suddenly full-emergency stop. Burnt brake fumes invading the carriage. After a few minutes a very calm, pleasant female voice announced, "This journey has been interrupted due to a fatality on the line", in the same calm tone she would've announced any normal delay. A recording I suspect. We sat there as police and railway inspectors walked past our carriage pointing at something beneath it. Then, after about 15 minutes we were instructed to quiety move to the most forward carriage and walk across the platform to a local train whihc was waiting for us. We hear nothing on TV news or radio later. We assumed it was a suicide.
I have worked on the Railway for over 30 years and sadly, it`s a lot more common than you would think, although some fatalities are accidents rather than intentional.
Wow that must have been a bit scary at one point with the driver losing all control - not what you want at 125 mph!! Excellent video production short though it was. Thanks for sharing it and I shall certainly visit your website. Ken
If I'm going to have to read the words "the driver has lost all control", I'm really glad that the context is that the brakes have been applied and the driver can't take them off!
it's not how fast you get the brakes on but getting them off is just as important. when I was I driver we had the 2 pipe system (air brakes obviously) and the brakes came off really fast. but they were messing about with a 1 pipe system which was very slow getting the brakes off which messed about with your timing stopping at stations etc as you always wanted to stop with your brakes practically off.
You couldn't do a running release of an emergency brake application like that in the U. S. The system requires coming to a full stop, because the Power Control Switch (PCS) opens when the train goes into emergency and the time-out does not start until the train comes to a full stop.
You can't go it in the UK anymore either. Remember the HST is about 40 years old now.
I’m not surprised that this was in my recommended
I’m surprised that i clicked on the video
Yeah
Our ATP system in the Netherlands can cause these malfunctions to: if the onboard equipment loses the ATP-code that is flowing through the tracks, it will immediately force a quick-brake, which, as far as I know, can not be interrupted (train has to come to a complete stop and can only gain speed again after adequate air-pressure in the brake-system)
Excellent video!!!
what was the distance travelled by the train from the time of emergency brakes until down to a safe 20mph and driver control recovers?
An estimate of less than a kilometre
Why is this in my recommendations when it was made five years ago
same here... not even remotely interested in this
Why is everyone asking tis question in recommended videos?
Dan Stamnes then why did you click on it?
I can't believe this was recorded 30 years ago! The quality makes it look like only last year!
It's more fun when you're on the train running a stop distance test like that.
I was lucky enough to run a test on the Long Island RR along side the Sunrise Highway at about 116 MPH back in the early 1980's. The folks on the roadway were in shock, they never saw the 'Silver Snail' run so fast...
In this episode of ''why is this in my recommended?''...
Thanks for the explanation, very informative. Cheers. Ken
The test began at Paddington. The train was doing 125 by the time it reached Iver.
the camera is probably zoomed in thats why it looks slower than it really is.
I have been asked when this was filmed. The date is on the opening caption.
Are you still alive?
1. It's a DRIVER in the UK (correct terminology. We invented railways remember!)
2. There are no dynamic brakes on an HST. That is purely done with air operated disc brakes.
It's that time of the year when it randomly pops up in recommendation.
On the speed looking at the film you have to realize that you are very high up in an HST. you are not in a car which is lower to the road.
125mph looks like 65mph when I am driving a train. well train buffs tell us how high you are from the running line in an HST?
You have to also understand the drivers rules to understand what actions were taken after the intervention.
And it's zoomed in
125 MPH ?
Car Mechanic 24 = 201 kmh, assuming that is what you are asking....
That could be 125, I agree.
+lee coates Hmm... When you are riding a bike and you manage to do 30 km/h it feels like you are going at 150 km/h, yet when you are in a train and you are stuck at 30 km/h because you have a point ahead you feel like you are stopped... because a train is much stabler than a bike and because you are much higher up.
+stepheng1483
I think it has mostly to do with the camera set up - it uses just the normal 46° angle view. That's good for most applications but doesn't give very realistic feeling of speed and distances (thing look to close and slow). Zoom of course make it even worse.
Videos like this shud be shot in wide angle (I think picture angles of about 70-90° is the most realistic - extreme wide angle like the go pro make things look too fast and far away instead)
+lee coates Oh yes that's 125 mph , it looks slower due to the size .
One of my favourites. I bet that woke everyone up! :)
Thanks for the clarification.
It's nerd cubed!
YEA NERD3 FANCLUB
Yep, because he does not know what the AWS is.
why
why is this in my recommended
Professional railway films that's why
Train fan? 😂
riptide
Because you watched "The best five halftime court shots in History"
Because your a chinese spy looking at british railways
Amazing video
Know this line very intimately. Starts from the first play I lived in the UK on the first line I ever worked on the railway.
Not as exciting as when we ploughed through a small herd of cows on a Sunday, having only got up to 100+ shortly before that. The HST front end looked very sick.
the day I was passing out on partially fitted freight I ran into a herd of cows at Shrewsbury a few days later passing out on passenger trains I had to stop at Chester as a female passenger had died then had to stop again a bit later on as a passenger gave birth. always happens when you least need it to do. made my passing out days very memorial though.
Troll
bobatporty, Does “passing out” mean something different in British than it does in American speech? Because over here in America, it means losing consciousness.
Ethan Lamoureux passing out in this context, meaning, the driver was new, and had just passed / qualified
In Switzerland a cow was stood over the track of a small regional mountain train. It wouldn’t budge so the driver just waited and honked his horn and slowly edged the train forward. 😂
Other HST Driver: "Noob Scrub..."
Very nice video and informative.
The InterCity 125 That was involved in the Ufton Nervet Rail Crash was travelling at nearly 100 mph! With only 2-3 seconds left to stop, it's no wonder that so much damage was caused!
Okay,but where is the stop part?
Watch form 0:34.
350m break distance, pretty good stuff..
It's not 350m. An HST from 125 will take 1500m minimum on EB
Based ONLY on train sim, I was surprised to see them regain control at 20mph rather than a complete stop. Learned something today, thanks for posting the video
its a european system, passenger dedicated, on a US freight train you cannot regain control until you reset it and thats after a stop
alexander1485 Aah right. I only ever drive UK routes on train sim that's what confused me
you mean, RUN train routes :D
alexander1485 Yeah. That :))
tdurbo Although in this vid it's the failure of ATP that gives the emergency brake application. It was on trials in the UK in the early to mid 90's as a secondary system to AWS (the bells and beeps and the sunflower you see and hear in British cabs). The system was experimental and could be isolated which is what the traction engineer did. You can hear the AWS bell sound as the ATP fails.
Cool, great video!!!
They were testing normal operation. Hence the reason the TI dived into the engine room to disable the system and allow the driver to release the brakes.
Over here an engineer is someone who practices an engineering discipline. A driver is someone who operates a ground based overland vehicle.
One sliiiiiight problem with the "emergency stop" on this one... it didn't do the "stop" part...
Hong Kong also have emergency train stop in all of the stations (only in East Rail Line)
@ismaelkhan it is the ATP system dumping the brake pipe pressure. Once the quick thinking inspector isolates it the driver is able to recharge the brake pipe pressure again and release the brakes to continue the journey.
0:53 that felt like someone just got punched
i know that it was the door to the engine room closing, but it does sound like someone or something got punched
Fantastic System. it still kills me but at 20 MPH
***** like they say. face first.
Not unless you have a second person to go and disable the system. Otherwise the brake application is irreversible.
Those are some impressive brakes.
Thanks alot, I'm never going to un-notice that now...
Why was this in my recommend, and why does this video have almost 2 million views
If someone said to me "Hey kid? want to de rail a train and your allowed to do it?" id be like "FUCK YEAH!" "How would you like to derail the train?" Stick the throttle at max"
PRESTIGER33 .... When i say "And your allowed to do it" it means as in no deaths or consequence. just de-rail the train because destruction is fun!
Dark Star well i guess. You are still crazy tho
PRESTIGER33 Yep
+PRESTIGER33 he says he wants to derail a train and you tell him he's a sicko and he should die in a train crash? 1) you're wishing for a train crash 2) you're wishing for somebody to die and 3) derailing train is fub
Nice video. I am Rail Fan from Kolkata, India.
I recently was on a train that went into quick-brake as the driver activated it as he forgot he had to stop at the next station. Though we were only doing 80 km/h or so, we had an obvious flat spot on the wheels when we gained speed after coming to a complete stop.
125 MPH maybe, but there was no "stop"
This video needs a lot more explaining.
As does life, and why has America deteriorated to the point of electing the Anti-Christ Donald Trump.
Merry Christmas, btw!
drServitis holy fuck guys I found one, a liberal
drServitis howd u change the subject from the video needs more explaining to trump? no where else to vent?
drservitis how are you still alive with all those missing chromosomes
Carteeeer You don't mind having a President who brags about sexually molesting women? America really is dying.
It would be good to see this from the air Waldenhouse. How do you propose that we do it?
We never knew, a possible cause was the train losing the signal from the track or the onboard equipment failure. You ask the question why was the train not allowed to come to a complete stand? The simple reason is that this was a service train heading for Penzance. It had to be got on the move again ASAP.
I believe an emergency brake application cannot be reset without a full stop.
I was thinking the same thing!
+Jersey Mike's Rail Videos Normally yes, full stop and 2 minute timeout but as this was in a phase of testing an ATP system and there was a traction inspector on board they overrode the emergency system which also overrode the requirements (its just a switch but it usially has either a lead seal or a glass/plastic tube that has to be broken before it can be used)
+CPU Violet Heart: Nenito BR class 43, Intercity was the company branding, same as Thames Trains, Network SouthEast etc etc, built between 75 and 82, the last built of the class are some 33-34 years old now
They can override anything if they want to, but the question is are they allowed to?
Jersey Mike's Rail Videos there are several things that give you an emergency brake application. If your driver went through a red signal because he was having a heart attack would you want the train to be able to continue on its own even at a low speed?