I haven’t even seen the video but she literally says “I’ve flown some ships before, but never in outer space” and when they’re in space they are using automatic pilot or something like that.
Rohan Kurup: If she just started whistling Dixie without training or practice. Which is about the same as comparing flying ships, with destroying TIE-fighters in combat, and fixing malfunctioning hyperdrives when at most she just INSTALLED them. Hyperdrives were so finicky, that Watto had the only working ones for sale on the entire planet. But TFU acts like they just grow WILD on Jakku, where they just had a junk Star Destroyer.
No one ever mentions the fact that Rey is clearly somewhat familiar with the Falcon as she tells Finn where the gunner position is; so I'm glad you pointed that out.
Another point that backs this up is her line at the end of the chase, "I've flown ships before but never left the planet." She literally tells the audience she has experience flying. Great video!
But not flying in combat, and repairing malfunctioning hyperdrives that are about to explode. If she's never been off the planet, she's never fixed an overheating hyperdrive.
@@kenburns4547 She’s worked with various ships from planet she lives on, she even learned to make a home out of an AT-AT. It has literally been stated that she sneaks into the falcon to study it. She also scavenges and studies IMPERIAL technology.
It truly blows my mind how so many people get very selective when comparing Rey to Luke and Anakin to a ridiculous degree to definitively prove how she’s some “Mary Sue” and it drives me insane.
Kaiser Zer0: not as maddening as ignoring the CONTEXT, that Anakin was being manipulated by Palpatine, who was making it all happen for that purpose; and Luke was definitely not a Mary sue. The only time Anakin wasn't being manipulated, was when he threw Palpatine down the well, thus breaking his control.
No no, we all acknowledge Anakin blowing up the droid control ship was stupid. And anyone that goes "W-well Anakin did this.." when trying to use as an example of why Rey therefor shut up.." is only admitting that Rey's skillset is stupid. Espeically when there's no real explanation. Hell, Even Luke, son of Vader didn't do that much in the first movie. It was only by ESB that he started picking up better skillsets. Able to trip up AT-ATs or TK things, and by ROTJ, he really is in his own league.
My brother and I recently had a debate about this exact thing, and I think I should point out that the movie's dialogue doesn't really cover it enough for some people to be convinced that she can fly. There's also plenty of background material about how she learned how to be a mechanic and how to fly, largely through being able to study and explore a massive variety of rebel and imperial ships left to rust on Jakku. There even is a mention of her scavenging a flight simulator from a Y-Wing and learning about various different ships from it.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU The fandom thinks Rey is this god like figure and that’s a lie. Everything she’s done is logical. Also, I said it earlier: she literally said, I’ve flown some ships before. And also, she did fly the milenium falcon in TLJ in the Battle of Hoth, in combat actually. But to be fairy she only shot like twice and then left the battle to find the Resistance. Great video as always.
Glad you enjoyed it. At the battle of Crait she was in the gunner, she wasn’t flying it. When she was searching for the resistance I don’t think any ties were after her
@@kenburns4547 so if your a few inches close to magma with severed limbs and your body lights on fire shouldn’t you logically be dead? Or if you get cut in half shouldn’t you logically be dead? Or if theirs a dogfight in space, shouldn’t their logically be no sound? You don’t watch Star Wars for Logic, that’s what Star Trek is for.
@@calebmurphy9406 Yeah, it absolutely is really stupid, but he's also a child to the force. I'm not saying he _should_ be able to do that, I'm saying it's also stupid that he's a child to the force which would probably permit him to do literally anything.
Daniel Cook: Except Palpatine WANTED Anakin to do it. I don't think he wanted Rey to destroy Starkiller Base. The entire Naboo blockade was staged by Palpatine to set up the Clone Wars, and make Anakin and Jar-jar heroes for the next film; when Anakin became the hero of the Clone Wars, and Jar-jar became the senator who gave Palpatine the power to begin them. Everything fit together a little too conveniently, but that's artistic license.
You also left out that she says after the encounter that “I’ve flown some ships but never left the planet.” So yeah Rey flying how she did was perfectly inline with her skill set and character. Another great video!
That's just not true though. Finn asks her "How did you do that?" And she says "I don't know." And yet it's perfectly inline with he skillset? I shouldn't really need to explain any further why that's not a good argument.
Caleb Murphy watch the scene again. It can be hard to hear but she says I’ve flown ships before. I am sorry but you are wrong. And the argument makes since because she has flown before just never left the planet. That’s another reason she is a good pilot(Go to 34:48 in the Force Awakens and listen to the conversation to hear the line I am mentioning)
@@joshuaheintzelman5590 I am fully aware of the scene you are talking about. My point is that, in the scene you're referencing, Rey is basically saying that she shouldn't have been able to do what she did. "I've flown SOME ships, BUT I've NEVER left the planet." She's basically saying "I have some experience, but I've never done anything like that." Therefore, this would be something that is outside of her skillset. The point isn't that Rey is an extraordinary pilot, the point is that Rey is a decent pilot but is extraordinarily gifted in the force.
I agree with you, I do think this criticism of Rey's skillset is way overblown; but I also think your comparisons to Luke and Anakin aren't fair. When Luke flew his T-16 on Tatooine, he did have *some* experience in combat. Granted, he wasn't being shot at, but he *was* practicing his pilot skills and his skills with the ship's cannon on womprats. That, combined with the fact that the T-16 and the X-Wing share similar controls makes it a little more plausible that he could fight in the battle of Yavin. Also, I know you are discounting deleted scenes, but in some of the opening scenes for A New Hope that were cut for time, Luke is constantly fanboying over the Rebellion pilots and tells his buddy Biggs stories of almost destroying the T-16 mimicking their maneuvers. And in those same scenes, Biggs, who is a Starfleet pilot at this point, also tells Luke he is the best pilot on the planet. IMHO, Luke fighting in the battle of Yavin and developing his abilities with the force in that battle makes more sense than Rey outmaneuvering TIE fighters with no piloting experience in a clunky ship that was barely operating to begin with, sloppy as it may have been. Honestly, I think if they had just added a moment where she clearly connected with the force just before her maneuvers through the star destroyer, it would have solved a lot of people's problems with this scene. My contention with the Anakin point is simply that people *hate* the Phantom Menace and Anakin is the main reason. All I ever hear about that movie is how dumb podracing and Anakin's midichlorian plot armor are and specifically how Anakin accidentally took off in a ship he couldn't control and just so happened to take down a Federation battleship. If you're trying to draw comparisons to other times Star Wars "got away" with having their characters pull of insane piloting feats, I wouldn't throw in one of the most controversial moments in the history of the franchise. Anyway man, I enjoyed your video and I do think people are way too hard on Rey for a lot of things bc they are explained with subtly instead of just being told to you as things were in the past. Great video, man. It's good to see people defending the characters in the new trilogy.
Exactly. When people go "W-well Anakin in The Phantom Menace... all it says to me is that "Yeah we know Rey's superleetz untrained powers sucked just as much as Little Orphan Ani taking out the Droid control ship" which is more of an unintentional own-goal. Rather than the "Ha ha hipocrisy bizsnatches!" gotcha it's supposed to be.
There is one major continuity error between episode VII and episode VIII and it deals with the map to Luke’s location and Luke wanting the Jedi to end. Why would Luke leave a map to his location if he went to the first Jedi temple to die? That one continuity error and the suicidal hyperspace jump are severe breaks in logic. Why would Palpatine have the two Death Stars and Starkiller Base built if he could have droids do the hyperspace ram to obliterate planets. The same goes for any and all space battles that has the goal of destroying a large space station like the Battles over the Death Stars and Starkiller Base. It would have been cheaper to Hyperspace ram the battle stations. It would have made more sense that Luke left the map to have someone be able to find him when needed and went searching for the first Jedi temple to find knowledge and to speak with Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Qui-gon. Also, where is Grogu? Did Kylo kill him when Luke’s students were slaughtered?
UUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHH... Okay, so this is one of those criticisms that I hate defending. I think the people who genuinely still complain about this need to just get over it. However, I also think that people who act like this criticism has no bearing on reality are being a little silly. Rey's amazing piloting skills do not bother me personally, but I'm not going to pretend like she isn't skilled. I think this criticism is nitpicky, but countering it with your own nitpicks isn't really a good way to go about it, in my opinion. For example, the whole "counting how many times she hits something" bit is irrelevant to me. It's also cherry picking since everything else she does in that scene actually is pretty impressive. For example, she drifts by scraping the ship against the ground to allow for a sharper turn, she's able to bob and weave between between pieces of debris while staying close to the ground, she's able to maneuver through the innards of a Super Star Destroyer, and she was able to perfectly line up that shot for Finn. I understand that all of these things can be explained to some extent, and while those explainations work on paper, I don't think they fully account for what we see her do on screen. Once again, I am not personally bothered by this, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I feel people on both sides of this argument are kind of dishonest about the situation. And, as far as comparing her to Luke, I think it comes down to filmmaking. Again, on paper Luke's actions do sound more impressive than Rey's, but the audience views Rey's actions as more impressive because they are visually more impressive. Luke seemingly just flew in a straight line and did a twirl a couple of times because it was made in 1977. If A New Hope was made today, Luke's piloting skills probably would've been shown in a similar way to Rey's, but it wasn't so we as an audience view it as slower, clunkier, and less impressive. Also, you know, the force or whatever. That excuses most of it for me.
I love this comment, thank you for putting in the time to write it. I don’t think Rey not being able to fly is a terrible argument, I think it’s just one that is silly
It’s not about satiating the intellects requirements to suspend disbelief. It’s not about making a fictional world logically consistent. It’s about hitting the soul with so much meaning that it bypasses the ego’s belief system, just like the force guiding Luke to blow up the death star. When people don’t get that blast to the soul, their egos remain up and will pick apart what their intellect sees.
I agree, I’m nitpicking but Obi Wan is able to take off with Grievous’ Starfighter and use Grievous’ transmitter immediately in ROTS when that shouldn’t make any sense.
Not really. Jedi are probably trained to operate different vehicles as part of their skillset. And B) If you know how to operate a Kia Cerato, you know how to operate a FErrari. Maybe not very well, but you can at least make vroom vroom wheel vroomy mcVroomface go. Hell, the only reason you need a certain liscence for say a truck or an RV is less about "Radically different vroom vroom" and more like "One has more mass than the other" and you need to learn that so you don't hurt yourself or other people. Sure certain, idiosynracies but the jist is the same. Same as operating a fighter jet versus a Jumbo jet. Sure one's bigger and less manouverable, but the basics are the same. "No go crashy crashy boom ow. Nose up, glide down...."
I think this whole topic is just surrounded by bad arguments from all sides. "There's no reason she would know how to fly." is just as stupid an argument as "Nothing she did was impressive, anyone could do it." The magic lady flies good, let's all just move on.
Anakin didn’t technically fly it half the time it was the auto pilot R2 did most of the secondary functions and Anakin had experience with pod racing which requires quick reflexes and decisions making that he has at least 1 or 2 years of experience in and even then he wasn’t good at flying, you could make the argument that he got lucky as those battle droids are cheep to make and very stupid, their effectiveness is in their numbers, 1 of those droids is like comparing a RVB character in an actual battle
"Hey guys, Rey's sudden ability to do all the things she can do beyond 'Kaylee Fry Powers' (go watch Firefly) is just as bad as when Anakin was able to take out a droid control ship in TPM." ~ The jist of what you're saying.
They're some arguments that I have on UA-cam comments because I think both of us have good points or because I really need to get this person to see how wrong they are And then some which I deem beneath me. Rey clearly says in the movie that she's flown a few ships so anyone who says her knowing how to fly makes her a Mary Sue is just stupid.
*rey flying* (over powered) *Luke taken down a the death star in a 1 in million shot* (reasonable) *Anakin taking down entire star fleet at the age of 9* (reasonable)
Lol Star wars explained cameo and when I saw star wars fans saying rey shouldn't be that good in the falcon and said that she has better flying skills than han solo I was like if she was better than han solo then why does rey crash some stuff in jakku while flying the falcon meanwhile in a new hope han hold the falcon really good
It's funny how people bring this up, yet never bring up the fact that she knows how to speak Wookiee even though I doubt she's ever encountered any Wookies before meeting Chewie. That being said, even if you ignored everything you just said about why it makes sense that she can fly the falcon, I think her being one half of a dyad with Ben Solo can explain not only her piloting skills but every one thing people complain about in regards to Rey and her "being too powerful."
The falcon requires a co-pilot. It is near impossible to fly it without a co-pilot you can trust. The Smugglers Run novel states this. She shouldn't of been able to fly it in the first place. This is once again another example of annoying ass inconsistencies in canon.
The first words you said are basically Ahsoka's and Thrawn's words - to defeat enemy you have to understand the enemy. That's great message. And cause there will be fight between these two, the battle will be interesting.
@@haoheanchan1763 Anakin blew up the capital ship for the entire trade federation fleet but Rey hit like 6 things while trying to take off. You saw the video right?
I'm no longer going to argue with people on this. I'm just going to link this video and tell them “everything in that video is fact and the first stage of grief is denial”. And that will be the end of it.
This video made it even more clear how stupid the scene is. She is a really bad pilot in the beginning and then turns into the best pilot in the galaxy 5 minutes later. You were really selective about the parts of the scene you analyzed.
@@thegoldman25 Going from scraping the ground trying to take of to doing several stunts that makes the trained pilots crash is not good writing. But you cut that part because it didn’t fit your narrative. The problem throughout the movie is that Rey knows how to do everything. Piloting is not even 10% of what’s wrong with her character. We already have Poe, why does she need to be great at every single thing?
Tbh, it's always confused me why people even complain about whether things make sense in Star Wars. That's the whole point lmao. There's literally sound in space, gravity in space sometimes and sometimes not- but people argue about the things that literally make perfect sense like Rey being able to fly???
The Gold Man yes I guess people try to articulate why they dislike something without actually knowing why that is so they end up making the wrong points
When we talk about things not making sense we’re talking about things not making sense in the context of the logic and reality of the Star Wars universe. Not our own.
"the standard that rey is held to compared to anakin and luke is ridiculous" well... not really imo anakin was literally born to the force, and luke is the child of someone born to the force, which isn't as impressive, but still kinda impressive. Edit: I shouldn't need to say this, but please read the replies I made to this comment, I was replying as soon as I heard something ignoring context. *It's completely reasonable that rey would be able to fly the falcon,* ok? I was just saying the standard for anakin should be higher, but not "she can never fly a spaceship the first time" higher.
actually, to be fair in that content it's fine (sorry i'm replying as soon as i hear something) luke had only flown land vehicles before that point, him being able to fly perfectly instantly would be a bit absurd, but i'm gonna assume he'd been flying for a few hours before that (i haven't seen the movie in ages) and the force helped him train fast, the 1 in a million shot was 100% the force with rey that was her first time flying a flying vehicle, and yeah she fucked up multiple times, which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion. but when comparing to anakin, not really fair, he's the literal child of the force. Which is bullshit but it's lore soooo (unless the line palps said saying "a dark lord of the sith so powerful he could influence the midi-chlorians to create life" was referring to anakin, which I've thought for a long time, but I don't think that theory is as accepted as anakin actually being born to the force)
"effect the force has on being a pilot" ABSOLUTELY THIS! the force would absolutely make you a better pilot, and i'm sure it'd help you learn faster too.
@@DerpaTure9503 I wasn't saying that Rey should be criticized here, please read my other comments in this thread. I don't really keep up with the star wars community so I don't really know what's an absurd criticism, but I was saying that the standard for anakin should absolutely be higher than the standard for literally anyone else. Also I've never heard of force dyads so that's neat.
Watched the video and really the problem with Rey flying the Falcon is the fact that it's a ship that requires two pilots. Yes for simple flying and maneuvers one can pilot it themselves, but more complex and crazy maneuvers two people are always at the helm. Reward the Originals and you''ll see moves Rey were down, two people were always piloting. As to your points about Luke and Anakin, they are hilariously off because you straight up left out important factors. Let's start with Luke. Multiple times throughout New Hope his piloting skills are mentioned and is considered one of the best star pilots around in that system. He spends his off time flying in his Skyhooper, traveling through Beggar's canyon, a known place that requires skillful flying. During the briefing on the Death Star when Wedge talks about how impossible that shot was, Luke says it's not since he used to practice bulls-eyeing womprats the same size as the vent. Also Luke was about to be killed by Vader if not for Han. And the most important fact is the X-wing and Skyhooper are created by the same company and the controls are the same. With Anakin, that race was the first one he ever won and even finished, which you mentioned so that doesn't exactly explain why he should be criticized for that. At his age he showed how knowledgeable he was when it came to ships since he fixed and repaired stuff for Watto. Watto also mentions how he has came across ships from Naboo, and another scene where Anakin impresses the Naboo captain with his knowledge of the ship controls. During the space battle for most of the fighting the ship was on auto-pilot. I'm sorry but it always boggles the mind when people bring up and Anakin and Luke to try and explain away Rey when you cherry pick. This really was a bad video.
when i went to the cinema to watch tfa, i loved this scene. it made me feel like i was there with them and i enjoyed every moment. i wasn't there to criticize rey or be offended by any inaccuracies, i was there to watch star wars. then suddenly all these people on the internet came out to hate on the films just because it is disney or that rey is op. those people made me no longer want to watch the rest of the trilogy because i didn't want to taint my view of star wars.
rey's the epitome of the silver spoon kid being given everything without earning it. didn't deserve to have the force, didn't deserve the millenium falcon, didn't deserve much of anything really. disney only gave her those things because they needed to for the story to move along
Indeed. I mean she's only been flying a few days. My biggest bug-bear is in TLJ, it's only been a few days since The First Order lost STarkiller. And considering they're implied to be kinda like "Space North Korea" (at least thats the impression I got), I doubt if Seoul got nuked by SpaceAmerica, the NorKos would be 'reigning' over the world. Sure the Empire lost thefirst Death Star...but A) it took them years to rebuild the second one. And B) they were a "Galactic" empire, with all the resources of that galaxy so whilst it was a devastating blow, it wasn't exactly crippling. I mean look how 9/11 or Pearl Harbour. They were devastating strikes, but America was able to keep on trucking because, "ha ha moar ships and men lol" (also in the part of Pearl Harbour, there was the luck of having much of the fleet out at the time or something). So how, after a few days is the First Order "Reigning" in TLJ? Unless they kinda forgot that at least for the characters, almost no time has passed since Rey was all "Yo bruh here's your lightsabre". Maybe if they'd done like "LOTR" and filmed the movies back to back, they wouldn't have forgotten this.
@@thegoldman25 A lot of is just money - hating Disney makes money BUT I do get this a lot from just ordinary people. Interestingly, I would say in six or seven conversation ONE person admitted the Anakin comparison was legit. So there we are - most people are biased but a few do see the double standard. Some progress I guess.
It makes little sense because she's been a scavenger all her life. Even if she had some flight experience which was explained in the novelization as having "some" hours clocked in on a flight simulator it doesn't justify the insane flying tricks in a dated ship she's pulling off to dodge two I'm assuming well trained Tie Fighter pilots. Not to mention, she hasn't been trained in the force yet so using that as an argument doesn't count as an explanation for her ability to dodge in-coming blaster fire in a real dog fight. It's one long reach after another while basing it all on assumption she knows how to fly a ship under duress that should've got both her and Finn killed. At least Luke had training flying down Beggar's Canyon shooting Womp Rats while Anakin was participating at high speed in some of the most dangerous forms of space age F1 racing of the time period. Even if you bring the force into the equation for their abilities Anakin was literally someone who was going to bring balance to the force and Luke hadn't begun his training yet. Rey was simply the progeny of a cloned Emperor that didn't even have that as an explanation at the time of filming of The Force Awakens. It's not the same and it makes no sense. It all reeks of the premise that no doubt clinched the sale of Star Wars to Disney. A random female character becomes the next "Jedi" of note to bring Luke back from the brink...only they didn't know how to properly write that female character into the series so they made her all but a Mary Sue...which is bizarre given Disney has world class artistic and writing talent to pull from...and they settled for the sequel trilogy.
I agree with many of your points but one I don’t is about Luke. Didn’t Luke train to be a pilot alongside Biggs? Biggs joined the imperial academy and Luke was deciding if he wanted to join or stay on the farm. I think that gives Luke a lot credibility on how he knew how to pilot an x-wing
@@thegoldman25 So I just did a little research and apparently the reason he knew how to pilot an x-wing is due to exactly what you mentioned. He had driven a T-16 sky hopper which was actually used by the Rebel Alliance to train their pilots due to the controls of both being very similar. Again, not all established in the movie but established in other forms nonetheless.
Anakin stuff is stupid. But Luke has an actual reason to be a good pilot. The T-16 Skyhopper is for training x-fighter pilots. And even though this was established in the novel, the actual info was pulled from an earlier script by George Lucas. So, it seems to be intended for that to have been in the movie. But for whatever reason, it was cut. And the one in a million shot was literally force stuff. So I'm not sure the complaint here. And it was a fact that he was flying in canyons shooting womp rats about the same size too. So it isn't like the situation was that different from what he's used to. My biggest gripe with Rey is that being a good mechanic doesn't give you the ability to fly something. For all intents and purposes, there are vast differences between ships. So even if she had piloted ships previously. That shouldn't transfer over to other ships. Plane pilots have to train extensively to pilot more than one type of plane. And that's just taking planes from a single planet. There's probably hundreds, if not, thousands of different types in that planet. And I imagine a lot of them have ergonomics for species other than humans. Her crashing I always took as her trying her best to avoid the pilots rather than her being bad. Because she pulled off that flip really well.. I don't think that flip being close to the ground is a good argument for it being bad. She was trying to stick close to the ground because of the sensors. She still seemed to have a much better grasp on piloting a ship she's never handled before than anyone should have. Even with the crashes she managed to rectify the ship too. Which takes some level of skill I feel. Like if you start to lose control of your car on the highway. Because of aquaplaning, or something. Many drivers would just not be able to recover from that situation. Yet she did several times.
Luke: I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters. Movie Referring to Lukes skills as a pilot of his ship back home, and his Targeting and shooting skills. Plus heard that operating a T-16 is like a X-Wing from Star Wars ship Encyclopedia Commander Garven Dreis: Skywalker, you sure you can handle this ship? (Lukes friend from Tatooine) Biggs: "Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories." Commander Garven Dreis: "You'll do all right." Luke : "Thank you, sir. I'll try. Movie Referring 2nd time to Luke's Piloting skills. Luke says to Wedge before entering Death Star Trench (Attack Run). Luke: It will be like beggar's canyon back home. Movie Referring 3rd time to his Piloting Skills, with his T-16 ship flying through Mountain Canyons back home on Tatooine ! They point this out, not only in OG Movie. The OG Movie Book Novels, Nintendo Game Cube- Video Game Star Wars Rogue Squadron. As for the Force and Lightsaber skill. He had guidance and Training from both Obi Wan and Yoda And this Sequel wasn't suppose to be the Sequel anyway ! George Lucas himself talked about this during interview with Kathleen Kennedy. Plus Bob Iger the CEO of Disney talks about it in his book. Not only that but George Lucas had a plan of Sequels going back to 1980s after Return of the Jedi. There's old 1980s interview footage of Mark Hamill talking about it. Plus Articles of George Lucas being interviewed on it. Itchy Bacca's UA-cam channel explains it all The Movie is a Sloppy Copycat/Rehash of the Original Trilogy Rey is hack version of Luke Rey comes from a Sand planet, like Luke Kylo is a hack version of Darth Vader, but do like Kylos Lightsaber Snoke is Palpatine, but not now ! After Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker First Order is the Empire There's so much ! Not only did they Hijack OG Trilogy but they ripped off OG EU and Stole ideas from Social media fans Story and Art Rey is not a Engineer, she was a Metal Scrapper.
@@thegoldman25 well I don't know what the fanbase is made about cause all of the things you mentioned mostly get's solved in the comics. Luke's, Anakin's, Rey's all of it mostly. I mean you have to explore all mediums. Luke trained in his childhood while he was a farmer his training was shown, Anakin trains in the comics his kinda traumatic I guess padawan years are explored. Besides the only problem I have with the sequels is that it ruined Luke. One notable difference between his new jedi order and the old one is that dark need not be extinguished it can slowly be trained to be controlled so it made no sense why he would strike down Kylo Ren. He should have lived a happy life married to Mara Jade Skywalker. Just my thoughts. Hey hope it's note too much but how did she win a force tug of war with Kylo while having no training and how did she use a jedi mind trick without ever being trained in it. Now I know she won her duel with Kylo cause he was emotionally not well cause he killed his father but these are the few doubts I had.😁😁😁😁😁😁😁.
@@pavankrishna.s396 The Gold Man has a point though. Sure the external media might add to things more... which is fine for filling in gaps. But if the movie can't go "Wait howcome Rey can do that?" and has to go "Uhh uhhh Novelisation? Umm umm FORCE LEETZ HAXXOR DOWNLOAD!!!!" (which somehow makes things worse) well that's not very good. S'why I like 'Alan Dean Foster's stuff. It sticks to the (at the time script) and only really delves more into things the movie can't do like "What was this guy thinking at the time?" or little niggly idiosyncrasies.
@@hellacoorinna9995 I get you but this is a classic trick of star wars, throw exposition in comics and novels. Even the Avatar ( the James Cameron one ) is doing this for godsakes, seriously go read Avatar the Next Shadow (2021) explores events two weeks after the movie's ending. All I am saying is everyone does this these days ( Godzilla Aftershock throws exposition for Godzilla King of the Monsters ).
@@pavankrishna.s396 There's nothing wrong with exposition. A lot of the fan-bitching about power levels and "Can Star Destroyer Beat Enterprise-D" comes from the tech manuals (although "What the ship can do in the movies/TV" is held up to a higher standard. But in terms of, "The SSD carries a gorillion personnel" is nice, and finding out just what it's squadron compliment is, is a nice touch. But "It can go a giggabajillionsquillion parsecs" when in the movies, we see a perfectly working ISD "racing to catch the rebel scum" only going a "bajillion parsecs" then you have to weigh up "Which seems more likely". It's like the old "The hand-phaser can vapourise this mountain in one go!" that someone said as a threat in one TNG episode. Now they could've been telling the truth or they could've been exaggerating. Or they could've been outright bullshitting to scare whoever they were telling it to. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At the end of the day though, my point is that if you see the thing do a thing on screen, then you have to take that as more likely than "Well the novel said this". I mean, in the "Alien" novelisation, the crew have laser pistols for example (and they were there in the initial script and some of the publicity shots ( avp.fandom.com/wiki/RXF-M5_EVA_Pistol ) But they're never featured (barring any 'ha ha starbucks in Westeros') background shots where they didn't remove them. Ergo, for all intents and purposes the USCSS _Nostromo_ did not have laser pistols.
Out of all the complaints that people should be screaming into the Internet; is the Leia death fake out maybe? Or the fact that Han and Luke never had one scene together... but noooooo these nerds... are confused... about a girl flying the falcon..... geeeez I wonder what thats all about
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Others will have their reasons, but for me, the difference between Anakin and Rey as told in their first movies, was that Anakin was shown to be an accomplished pilot with a high level of skill. Not only was he was able to fix his pod racer while being “attacked” by Sebulba, but also after being forced onto the ramp, Anakin performed some trick flying to not just recover, but use that to gain the lead and eventually win the race. But during the Droid Control Ship incident, Anakin’s lack of experience with a military craft as well as never having fired that type of weapons before, the movie plays it as a quite fortuitous accident that Anakin got a lucky shot and took out the Control Ship. In other words, he wasn’t aiming specifically at the ship’s reactor. But we already knew that Anakin was a skilled pilot, so we never doubted that he could do tricks like roll the ship like he did. Qui-Gon also detects the Force abilities in Anakin, so from that point we “know why” Anakin is such a good pilot. Rey on the other hand, the movie never took the time to show her piloting skills. We’re told in bit and pieces that she has a lot of mechanical knowledge. And eventually when she talks to Han, he’s impressed by her knowledge of the Falcon’s systems. But prior to that, we don’t even know if she’s ever piloted a ship (I think,) let alone how practiced she is, besides her riding the speeder from the crashed Star Destroyer. I don’t think anyone has a problem that Rey could fly the Falcon in the most basic way. What I found troublesome was that she could pilot a massively non-nimble cargo ship like the Falcon with such skill and precision that she could maneuver the Falcon inside a wrecked Star Destroyer. It basically was Rey on her first flight in the Falcon, and no other formal military or racing skill, doing things that only Han or Lando should be able to do after many years of smuggling with the Falcon. We don’t know at that point yet about any Force abilities in Rey, so her ability to anticipate how to “stall” the Falcon at the top of the turn so that the Finn’s gun could get a shot at the TIE, that is either skill by a lot of experience with that particular ship (which she doesn’t have since it’s her first time flying the Falcon,) or Force abilities, which she never knew she had. THAT IMHO is the problem with the way Rey is shown to pilot the Falcon. Yes, we can say she’s a “natural pilot” because of the Force, but so early in the movie, the writing never showed that, so it makes it hard to believe.
Also, nobody that I can think of at all thinks Anakin's taking out that droid control ship wasn't anything but stupid. ..at least in the prequel-sequels he gets training enough where we can buy him being a good combat pilot.
Just want to point out some things with each character Anakin didn’t technically fly it half the time it was the auto pilot R2 did most of the secondary functions and Anakin had experience with pod racing which requires quick reflexes and decisions making that he has at least 1 or 2 years of experience in and even then he wasn’t good at flying, you could make the argument that he got lucky as those battle droids are cheep to make and very stupid, their effectiveness is in their numbers, 1 of those droids is like comparing a RVB character in an actual battle, so it’s not like Anakin was dealing with smart enemies to begin with, dealing dealing pod racing is already a dangerous thing to do as death is not limited in the race, Anakin could have been shot or the other racers could have actually killed him if he wasn’t careful so Anakin actually having experience in those situations with quick reflexes makes sense she would be able to survive a space battle for a time and even then he probably would have died had he not landed in the hanger, he was an ok pilot he didn’t even outdo any other pilot on his side or the enemies he just got lucky to get into the hanger Luke actually has some education in flying as he studied so he can be in academy, actually has flown ships in the past and has had some practice and all his skill in it has been commented on by other characters not just himself, and even then luke when he did fly didn’t do anything better then his friends of the storm troopers he was good but he wasn’t what you call an expert even thou he had the education and the practice Rey however has no build up to being a pilot from the very beginning, nothing in her backstory suggests she is and you can’t just do it and let’s say she has been in a flight simulator well that’s the equivalent to me putting on a VR headset for a simulation based on driving does that mean when I actually drive I’ll be as good as I am at actual driving no because a simulation is just that a simulation, the “sim” in that means it’s similar but not exactly like what ever is it being similar to, for example if I play sims 4 does that mean I’ll be an expert at life no because no matter how similar it is it’s not exactly the same so you can’t call it practice unless you actually let’s say fly a ship via remote control like how the clones did in attack of the clones when obi won visited, it’s explained that you actually need the full depth rig to even be capable of flying, and let’s say rey did fly let’s say a frater ship, it be the equivalent to riding a FX truck delivering packages, the falcon is like a specialized racing car customized to be as fast as possible(as it’s the fastest ship we know of in Star Wars or at least one of the fastest) it’s not something you can pilot compared to a frater ship which is not fast or maneuverable in nature, not to mention he falcon must be co piloted to maintain most of its functions like shields power diversion, engines speed Hyper drive, weapons(besides the turrets fin uses) and basically the overall functions of the ship, it be like managing let’s say the enterprise from Star track just on a smaller scale were you need more then one person to operate the ship, if one person could manage it all on their own then what’s the point in a crew which the falcon was made for, this isn’t like kuan’s ship in into darkness where he specifically made a superior ship better then the enterprise in every single way including being able to have the ship being runed by one man via their is an AI that helps him, Based on all of that it still doesn’t make sense for rey to pilot the falcon given it’s nature as a ship, it would have been completely different if it was an x wing or a ship that only requires 1 pilot. In that case it be somewhat believable if she had former experience but since their was no build up and the fact all the stuff to back up that she has experience came after the force awakens then yes her being able to fly any ship without knowledge would make her just as clueless as young Anakin except 9 year old Anakin had pod racing as his experience which helped via he has refined reflexes and decisions making skills and built his own pod racer given wodo made him build some in the past just to get some money, so basically Anakin at 9 years old slave to someone who made him work on machines who had a mother and a slaver to teach him everything vs rey someone who isn’t a slave and has no clear teacher or explanation on her background on doing what she does even when she is a decade ahead of Anakin
@@thegoldman25 do you at least learn something and not just ignore me or best yet why not correct me if you think you see something wrong and can prove it, or perhaps established you got some insight, Like come on this is the point of criticism
I think the main difference between Luke and Rey's piloting skills is that Luke's skills were important for the climax of his first movie. Rey's wasn't, that was Poe.
@@thegoldman25 It's like this, ANH had quite a few lines throughout the movie telling us how great of a pilot Luke is even though he never actually flies anything until the end. Because his skills were important to the destruction of the death star Poe's skills were built up throughout TFA, especially in the opening crawl. Because his skills were important to the destruction of starkiller base. Being a kickass pilot is a big part of Poe's identity. Rey had a single line right before she flies the falcon telling us she's a pilot. "Finn: We need a pilot." "Rey: We've got one." and then right after she say's "I've flown ships but never left the planet." Rey didn't need a whole movie to build up her piloting skills because in the END, they weren't important. Hell like you said, after the falcon escape she never does more "impressive" piloting throughout the trilogy ever again. Because being a pilot isn't a part of Rey's identity, it's just an excuse for her to get from point A to point B in the plot.
So Rey managed to survive all those years on a harsh, hostile world with seemingly no friends, or a positive support system? Isn’t that just a bit much to let sink in?
She wasn't by herself. Unkar Plutt purposely kept her alive and taught her how to be a scavenger so he could make money off her. Therefore, in order to keep making money from Rey's useful scavenging- Unkar Plutt kept her alive. This isn't hard to infer from watching the movie, lmao. It's not a bit much to let sink in. She had no positive support system, yes. But she had hope that her parents would return and therefore a reason to stay alive + someone teaching her to be a scavenger and keeping her fairly safe and alive.
MOVIE SOUP You would think that Rey would be just a little bit more jaded and cynical after all that time on Jakku. Children are very impressionable things you know.
Children could become cynical and jaded when they look up to someone who is cynical and jaded as a hero. Rey looked up to her parents who weren’t cynical or jaded and were more like her. She wouldn’t want to be like Unkar Plutt therefore she wouldn’t act like him.
@@thegoldman25 Say whatever you want to some illiterate ignorants, she will always be remembered as the protag of the downfall of a beloved saga like Star Wars.
I haven’t even seen the video but she literally says “I’ve flown some ships before, but never in outer space” and when they’re in space they are using automatic pilot or something like that.
To be fair, that doesn't really dismiss the criticism.
I should have brought that up
It does a little, it establishes she has flying experience
The Gold Man yeah it does
She never flew them in COMBAT, but her first time she defeats several TIE-fighters.
I'd call that pretty stupid.
Rey: exists
Everyone: No one trained her how to breathe. Such a Mary Sue
😂
Rohan Kurup: If she just started whistling Dixie without training or practice.
Which is about the same as comparing flying ships, with destroying TIE-fighters in combat, and fixing malfunctioning hyperdrives when at most she just INSTALLED them.
Hyperdrives were so finicky, that Watto had the only working ones for sale on the entire planet. But TFU acts like they just grow WILD on Jakku, where they just had a junk Star Destroyer.
So true😂😂😂😂
No one ever mentions the fact that Rey is clearly somewhat familiar with the Falcon as she tells Finn where the gunner position is; so I'm glad you pointed that out.
Yep, people should talk about that more
Apparently Plutt had her refurbish/fix it up so that he could sell it.
I had nothing but a smile on my face when I first watched it, I wish more people were the same
Me too man, me too
@@thegoldman25 and now it smells
Another point that backs this up is her line at the end of the chase, "I've flown ships before but never left the planet." She literally tells the audience she has experience flying. Great video!
Yep, I should have added that, thanks for watching!
But not flying in combat, and repairing malfunctioning hyperdrives that are about to explode.
If she's never been off the planet, she's never fixed an overheating hyperdrive.
@@kenburns4547 Rey's a skilled engineer. She should know how to fix a hyperdrive.
@@kenburns4547 She’s worked with various ships from planet she lives on, she even learned to make a home out of an AT-AT. It has literally been stated that she sneaks into the falcon to study it. She also scavenges and studies IMPERIAL technology.
It truly blows my mind how so many people get very selective when comparing Rey to Luke and Anakin to a ridiculous degree to definitively prove how she’s some “Mary Sue” and it drives me insane.
It drives me insane too
Kaiser Zer0: not as maddening as ignoring the CONTEXT, that Anakin was being manipulated by Palpatine, who was making it all happen for that purpose; and Luke was definitely not a Mary sue.
The only time Anakin wasn't being manipulated, was when he threw Palpatine down the well, thus breaking his control.
@@kenburns4547 these fools will never understand.
No no, we all acknowledge Anakin blowing up the droid control ship was stupid. And anyone that goes "W-well Anakin did this.." when trying to use as an example of why Rey therefor shut up.." is only admitting that Rey's skillset is stupid.
Espeically when there's no real explanation.
Hell, Even Luke, son of Vader didn't do that much in the first movie. It was only by ESB that he started picking up better skillsets. Able to trip up AT-ATs or TK things, and by ROTJ, he really is in his own league.
I mean, no one with any objectivity would ever say that Anakin Skywalker isn't a mess of a character.
If Rey is perfect at everything than why does she make so many mistakes you know
Exactly
flying is a genetic trait in star wars, palps must have just been a really good pilot.
@@DerpaTure9503 yeah lol, it's a common joke.
Lol
My brother and I recently had a debate about this exact thing, and I think I should point out that the movie's dialogue doesn't really cover it enough for some people to be convinced that she can fly. There's also plenty of background material about how she learned how to be a mechanic and how to fly, largely through being able to study and explore a massive variety of rebel and imperial ships left to rust on Jakku. There even is a mention of her scavenging a flight simulator from a Y-Wing and learning about various different ships from it.
You should check out my Mary Sue video that just came out, I talk about everything you just mentioned!
Rey: takes one step
Sequel haters: MARY SUE, SHE SHOULD NOT YET KNOW HOW TO WALK PROPERLY
Ur not wrong
The Gold Man sad but true.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU
The fandom thinks Rey is this god like figure and that’s a lie. Everything she’s done is logical.
Also, I said it earlier: she literally said, I’ve flown some ships before.
And also, she did fly the milenium falcon in TLJ in the Battle of Hoth, in combat actually. But to be fairy she only shot like twice and then left the battle to find the Resistance.
Great video as always.
Glad you enjoyed it. At the battle of Crait she was in the gunner, she wasn’t flying it. When she was searching for the resistance I don’t think any ties were after her
The Gold Man true!’n
Everything's logical if you ignore logic.
@@kenburns4547 so if your a few inches close to magma with severed limbs and your body lights on fire shouldn’t you logically be dead? Or if you get cut in half shouldn’t you logically be dead? Or if theirs a dogfight in space, shouldn’t their logically be no sound?
You don’t watch Star Wars for Logic, that’s what Star Trek is for.
Totally agree. Anakin blows up the problematic ship of the movie his first time flying - ON ACCIDENT. So yeah, this is a stupid criticism.
To be fair, it was also stupid that Anakin was able to do that, so that's a moot point to me.
@@calebmurphy9406 Yeah, it absolutely is really stupid, but he's also a child to the force. I'm not saying he _should_ be able to do that, I'm saying it's also stupid that he's a child to the force which would probably permit him to do literally anything.
Yep, I just wish there was no double standard, thanks for watching!
I feel the same thing applies to Luke tho
Daniel Cook: Except Palpatine WANTED Anakin to do it. I don't think he wanted Rey to destroy Starkiller Base.
The entire Naboo blockade was staged by Palpatine to set up the Clone Wars, and make Anakin and Jar-jar heroes for the next film; when Anakin became the hero of the Clone Wars, and Jar-jar became the senator who gave Palpatine the power to begin them. Everything fit together a little too conveniently, but that's artistic license.
You also left out that she says after the encounter that “I’ve flown some ships but never left the planet.” So yeah Rey flying how she did was perfectly inline with her skill set and character. Another great video!
That's just not true though. Finn asks her "How did you do that?" And she says "I don't know." And yet it's perfectly inline with he skillset? I shouldn't really need to explain any further why that's not a good argument.
Caleb Murphy watch the scene again. It can be hard to hear but she says I’ve flown ships before. I am sorry but you are wrong. And the argument makes since because she has flown before just never left the planet. That’s another reason she is a good pilot(Go to 34:48 in the Force Awakens and listen to the conversation to hear the line I am mentioning)
I should have brought that up
It’s not enough but given the context of the film I think it’s a line that does add on that she knows how to fly
@@joshuaheintzelman5590 I am fully aware of the scene you are talking about. My point is that, in the scene you're referencing, Rey is basically saying that she shouldn't have been able to do what she did. "I've flown SOME ships, BUT I've NEVER left the planet." She's basically saying "I have some experience, but I've never done anything like that." Therefore, this would be something that is outside of her skillset. The point isn't that Rey is an extraordinary pilot, the point is that Rey is a decent pilot but is extraordinarily gifted in the force.
I agree with you, I do think this criticism of Rey's skillset is way overblown; but I also think your comparisons to Luke and Anakin aren't fair. When Luke flew his T-16 on Tatooine, he did have *some* experience in combat. Granted, he wasn't being shot at, but he *was* practicing his pilot skills and his skills with the ship's cannon on womprats. That, combined with the fact that the T-16 and the X-Wing share similar controls makes it a little more plausible that he could fight in the battle of Yavin. Also, I know you are discounting deleted scenes, but in some of the opening scenes for A New Hope that were cut for time, Luke is constantly fanboying over the Rebellion pilots and tells his buddy Biggs stories of almost destroying the T-16 mimicking their maneuvers. And in those same scenes, Biggs, who is a Starfleet pilot at this point, also tells Luke he is the best pilot on the planet. IMHO, Luke fighting in the battle of Yavin and developing his abilities with the force in that battle makes more sense than Rey outmaneuvering TIE fighters with no piloting experience in a clunky ship that was barely operating to begin with, sloppy as it may have been. Honestly, I think if they had just added a moment where she clearly connected with the force just before her maneuvers through the star destroyer, it would have solved a lot of people's problems with this scene.
My contention with the Anakin point is simply that people *hate* the Phantom Menace and Anakin is the main reason. All I ever hear about that movie is how dumb podracing and Anakin's midichlorian plot armor are and specifically how Anakin accidentally took off in a ship he couldn't control and just so happened to take down a Federation battleship. If you're trying to draw comparisons to other times Star Wars "got away" with having their characters pull of insane piloting feats, I wouldn't throw in one of the most controversial moments in the history of the franchise.
Anyway man, I enjoyed your video and I do think people are way too hard on Rey for a lot of things bc they are explained with subtly instead of just being told to you as things were in the past. Great video, man. It's good to see people defending the characters in the new trilogy.
Exactly.
When people go "W-well Anakin in The Phantom Menace... all it says to me is that "Yeah we know Rey's superleetz untrained powers sucked just as much as Little Orphan Ani taking out the Droid control ship" which is more of an unintentional own-goal.
Rather than the "Ha ha hipocrisy bizsnatches!" gotcha it's supposed to be.
That brief pic of Jeremy lmao- I love those little intros you've started doing
😂 thanks for noticing!
Bro I’m really enjoying these arguments against all the sequels haters I’m just loving browsing your channel on these topics
Glad you like them!
It's called visual storytelling...an elemental device of filmmaking...and something The Fandom Menace is too stupid to understand.
The sequels are full of visual storytelling which many people don’t understand
Good points brought up. I never understood this criticism either. Great video as always!
Thank you for watching!
And add the fact that there is a droid in the Falcon’s navcomputer.
this is true
There is one major continuity error between episode VII and episode VIII and it deals with the map to Luke’s location and Luke wanting the Jedi to end. Why would Luke leave a map to his location if he went to the first Jedi temple to die? That one continuity error and the suicidal hyperspace jump are severe breaks in logic. Why would Palpatine have the two Death Stars and Starkiller Base built if he could have droids do the hyperspace ram to obliterate planets. The same goes for any and all space battles that has the goal of destroying a large space station like the Battles over the Death Stars and Starkiller Base. It would have been cheaper to Hyperspace ram the battle stations. It would have made more sense that Luke left the map to have someone be able to find him when needed and went searching for the first Jedi temple to find knowledge and to speak with Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Qui-gon. Also, where is Grogu? Did Kylo kill him when Luke’s students were slaughtered?
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Okay, so this is one of those criticisms that I hate defending. I think the people who genuinely still complain about this need to just get over it. However, I also think that people who act like this criticism has no bearing on reality are being a little silly. Rey's amazing piloting skills do not bother me personally, but I'm not going to pretend like she isn't skilled. I think this criticism is nitpicky, but countering it with your own nitpicks isn't really a good way to go about it, in my opinion. For example, the whole "counting how many times she hits something" bit is irrelevant to me. It's also cherry picking since everything else she does in that scene actually is pretty impressive. For example, she drifts by scraping the ship against the ground to allow for a sharper turn, she's able to bob and weave between between pieces of debris while staying close to the ground, she's able to maneuver through the innards of a Super Star Destroyer, and she was able to perfectly line up that shot for Finn. I understand that all of these things can be explained to some extent, and while those explainations work on paper, I don't think they fully account for what we see her do on screen. Once again, I am not personally bothered by this, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I feel people on both sides of this argument are kind of dishonest about the situation.
And, as far as comparing her to Luke, I think it comes down to filmmaking. Again, on paper Luke's actions do sound more impressive than Rey's, but the audience views Rey's actions as more impressive because they are visually more impressive. Luke seemingly just flew in a straight line and did a twirl a couple of times because it was made in 1977. If A New Hope was made today, Luke's piloting skills probably would've been shown in a similar way to Rey's, but it wasn't so we as an audience view it as slower, clunkier, and less impressive.
Also, you know, the force or whatever. That excuses most of it for me.
I love this comment, thank you for putting in the time to write it. I don’t think Rey not being able to fly is a terrible argument, I think it’s just one that is silly
It’s not about satiating the intellects requirements to suspend disbelief. It’s not about making a fictional world logically consistent. It’s about hitting the soul with so much meaning that it bypasses the ego’s belief system, just like the force guiding Luke to blow up the death star. When people don’t get that blast to the soul, their egos remain up and will pick apart what their intellect sees.
I like the way you put it, I feel people put too much emphasis on the wrong thing
yup! my parents and me are like that
I agree, I’m nitpicking but Obi Wan is able to take off with Grievous’ Starfighter and use Grievous’ transmitter immediately in ROTS when that shouldn’t make any sense.
Why?
Not sure what’s the problem with that
Idk if I was grievous I would use my arm advantage and make the controls four arms but I’m probably wrong.
@@alpha-1730 Did he build his ship himself?
Not really. Jedi are probably trained to operate different vehicles as part of their skillset. And B) If you know how to operate a Kia Cerato, you know how to operate a FErrari. Maybe not very well, but you can at least make vroom vroom wheel vroomy mcVroomface go.
Hell, the only reason you need a certain liscence for say a truck or an RV is less about "Radically different vroom vroom" and more like "One has more mass than the other" and you need to learn that so you don't hurt yourself or other people.
Sure certain, idiosynracies but the jist is the same.
Same as operating a fighter jet versus a Jumbo jet. Sure one's bigger and less manouverable, but the basics are the same. "No go crashy crashy boom ow. Nose up, glide down...."
I think this whole topic is just surrounded by bad arguments from all sides. "There's no reason she would know how to fly." is just as stupid an argument as "Nothing she did was impressive, anyone could do it."
The magic lady flies good, let's all just move on.
Look Anakin flew a fighter at 9 years old, this criticism is just ridiculous if ask me, Green video dude 👍
Thank you for watching!
About that death Star comment on Luke it was actually mentioned that in his childhood he trained by using bullseye womprats.
Anakin didn’t technically fly it half the time it was the auto pilot R2 did most of the secondary functions and Anakin had experience with pod racing which requires quick reflexes and decisions making that he has at least 1 or 2 years of experience in and even then he wasn’t good at flying, you could make the argument that he got lucky as those battle droids are cheep to make and very stupid, their effectiveness is in their numbers, 1 of those droids is like comparing a RVB character in an actual battle
"Hey guys, Rey's sudden ability to do all the things she can do beyond 'Kaylee Fry Powers' (go watch Firefly) is just as bad as when Anakin was able to take out a droid control ship in TPM."
~ The jist of what you're saying.
They're some arguments that I have on UA-cam comments because I think both of us have good points or because I really need to get this person to see how wrong they are
And then some which I deem beneath me. Rey clearly says in the movie that she's flown a few ships so anyone who says her knowing how to fly makes her a Mary Sue is just stupid.
100%
*rey flying* (over powered)
*Luke taken down a the death star in a 1 in million shot* (reasonable)
*Anakin taking down entire star fleet at the age of 9* (reasonable)
Lol Star wars explained cameo and when I saw star wars fans saying rey shouldn't be that good in the falcon and said that she has better flying skills than han solo I was like if she was better than han solo then why does rey crash some stuff in jakku while flying the falcon meanwhile in a new hope han hold the falcon really good
thanks for watching again Dracovish
No problem @@thegoldman25
She literally says she is a pilot and without Finn, they probably would have been shot because he knows that tactics of Tie pilots.
They needed each other, that’s why I love the scene
It's funny how people bring this up, yet never bring up the fact that she knows how to speak Wookiee even though I doubt she's ever encountered any Wookies before meeting Chewie. That being said, even if you ignored everything you just said about why it makes sense that she can fly the falcon, I think her being one half of a dyad with Ben Solo can explain not only her piloting skills but every one thing people complain about in regards to Rey and her "being too powerful."
You should watch my Mary Sue Video
@@thegoldman25 It's already in my watch later queue.
5:37 God I wish this wasn't true. Not just in star wars but other fandoms I've been in do this.
Yep, I wish it wasn’t true either
#WeLoveTheSequels
agreed
Rey: “I’ve flown some ships but I’ve never left the planet”.
Anyone remember her saying these exact words?
A lot of people dont
The falcon requires a co-pilot. It is near impossible to fly it without a co-pilot you can trust. The Smugglers Run novel states this. She shouldn't of been able to fly it in the first place. This is once again another example of annoying ass inconsistencies in canon.
Its not her skills in the question here, it is just the functionality of the Falcon itself
The first words you said are basically Ahsoka's and Thrawn's words - to defeat enemy you have to understand the enemy. That's great message. And cause there will be fight between these two, the battle will be interesting.
thanks for watching!
This is just facts. I hate that entire anakin flying bit in the phantom menace. It’s just so dumb
As someone who doesn’t like TPM, I agree
Agree, I don't like TPA very much
@@haoheanchan1763 Anakin blew up the capital ship for the entire trade federation fleet but Rey hit like 6 things while trying to take off. You saw the video right?
I'm no longer going to argue with people on this. I'm just going to link this video and tell them “everything in that video is fact and the first stage of grief is denial”.
And that will be the end of it.
This video made it even more clear how stupid the scene is. She is a really bad pilot in the beginning and then turns into the best pilot in the galaxy 5 minutes later. You were really selective about the parts of the scene you analyzed.
You were more selective, making 1 good move doesn’t make you the best
@@thegoldman25 Going from scraping the ground trying to take of to doing several stunts that makes the trained pilots crash is not good writing. But you cut that part because it didn’t fit your narrative. The problem throughout the movie is that Rey knows how to do everything. Piloting is not even 10% of what’s wrong with her character. We already have Poe, why does she need to be great at every single thing?
@@Amon30041Is there any reason a scavenger CAN’T be good at piloting?
Wonderful video.
Thank you for watching!
doing homework and binge watching all of these videos
Good choice
Tbh, it's always confused me why people even complain about whether things make sense in Star Wars. That's the whole point lmao. There's literally sound in space, gravity in space sometimes and sometimes not- but people argue about the things that literally make perfect sense like Rey being able to fly???
I think a lot of people try to find extra reasons why they didn’t like something
The Gold Man yes I guess people try to articulate why they dislike something without actually knowing why that is so they end up making the wrong points
Yep
When we talk about things not making sense we’re talking about things not making sense in the context of the logic and reality of the Star Wars universe. Not our own.
"the standard that rey is held to compared to anakin and luke is ridiculous"
well... not really imo
anakin was literally born to the force, and luke is the child of someone born to the force, which isn't as impressive, but still kinda impressive.
Edit: I shouldn't need to say this, but please read the replies I made to this comment, I was replying as soon as I heard something ignoring context. *It's completely reasonable that rey would be able to fly the falcon,* ok? I was just saying the standard for anakin should be higher, but not "she can never fly a spaceship the first time" higher.
actually, to be fair in that content it's fine (sorry i'm replying as soon as i hear something)
luke had only flown land vehicles before that point, him being able to fly perfectly instantly would be a bit absurd, but i'm gonna assume he'd been flying for a few hours before that (i haven't seen the movie in ages) and the force helped him train fast, the 1 in a million shot was 100% the force
with rey that was her first time flying a flying vehicle, and yeah she fucked up multiple times, which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
but when comparing to anakin, not really fair, he's the literal child of the force. Which is bullshit but it's lore soooo (unless the line palps said saying "a dark lord of the sith so powerful he could influence the midi-chlorians to create life" was referring to anakin, which I've thought for a long time, but I don't think that theory is as accepted as anakin actually being born to the force)
"effect the force has on being a pilot" ABSOLUTELY THIS!
the force would absolutely make you a better pilot, and i'm sure it'd help you learn faster too.
@@DerpaTure9503 I wasn't saying that Rey should be criticized here, please read my other comments in this thread. I don't really keep up with the star wars community so I don't really know what's an absurd criticism, but I was saying that the standard for anakin should absolutely be higher than the standard for literally anyone else.
Also I've never heard of force dyads so that's neat.
@@soggycatgirl I don't think you've seen The Rise of Skywalker.
@@calebmurphy9406 No, I actually haven't. I've heard that it's total garbage (even from people who liked 7 and 8) so I didn't bother.
Watched the video and really the problem with Rey flying the Falcon is the fact that it's a ship that requires two pilots. Yes for simple flying and maneuvers one can pilot it themselves, but more complex and crazy maneuvers two people are always at the helm. Reward the Originals and you''ll see moves Rey were down, two people were always piloting.
As to your points about Luke and Anakin, they are hilariously off because you straight up left out important factors. Let's start with Luke. Multiple times throughout New Hope his piloting skills are mentioned and is considered one of the best star pilots around in that system. He spends his off time flying in his Skyhooper, traveling through Beggar's canyon, a known place that requires skillful flying. During the briefing on the Death Star when Wedge talks about how impossible that shot was, Luke says it's not since he used to practice bulls-eyeing womprats the same size as the vent. Also Luke was about to be killed by Vader if not for Han. And the most important fact is the X-wing and Skyhooper are created by the same company and the controls are the same.
With Anakin, that race was the first one he ever won and even finished, which you mentioned so that doesn't exactly explain why he should be criticized for that. At his age he showed how knowledgeable he was when it came to ships since he fixed and repaired stuff for Watto. Watto also mentions how he has came across ships from Naboo, and another scene where Anakin impresses the Naboo captain with his knowledge of the ship controls. During the space battle for most of the fighting the ship was on auto-pilot.
I'm sorry but it always boggles the mind when people bring up and Anakin and Luke to try and explain away Rey when you cherry pick. This really was a bad video.
when i went to the cinema to watch tfa, i loved this scene. it made me feel like i was there with them and i enjoyed every moment. i wasn't there to criticize rey or be offended by any inaccuracies, i was there to watch star wars. then suddenly all these people on the internet came out to hate on the films just because it is disney or that rey is op. those people made me no longer want to watch the rest of the trilogy because i didn't want to taint my view of star wars.
you shouldn't let others taint your view of star wars!
Great vid man! Good point too
Thank you!
rey's the epitome of the silver spoon kid being given everything without earning it. didn't deserve to have the force, didn't deserve the millenium falcon, didn't deserve much of anything really. disney only gave her those things because they needed to for the story to move along
This is one of the most dishonest videos I've ever seen...
Can you explain why?
I do think that shot that took out like 4 tie fighters at the end of the last Jedi by Rey was a bit of a stretch if I’m being real
Yeah that is a bit of a stretch, but that’s not her flying, just her abilities with a gun
Indeed. I mean she's only been flying a few days.
My biggest bug-bear is in TLJ, it's only been a few days since The First Order lost STarkiller. And considering they're implied to be kinda like "Space North Korea" (at least thats the impression I got), I doubt if Seoul got nuked by SpaceAmerica, the NorKos would be 'reigning' over the world.
Sure the Empire lost thefirst Death Star...but A) it took them years to rebuild the second one. And B) they were a "Galactic" empire, with all the resources of that galaxy so whilst it was a devastating blow, it wasn't exactly crippling.
I mean look how 9/11 or Pearl Harbour.
They were devastating strikes, but America was able to keep on trucking because, "ha ha moar ships and men lol" (also in the part of Pearl Harbour, there was the luck of having much of the fleet out at the time or something).
So how, after a few days is the First Order "Reigning" in TLJ? Unless they kinda forgot that at least for the characters, almost no time has passed since Rey was all "Yo bruh here's your lightsabre".
Maybe if they'd done like "LOTR" and filmed the movies back to back, they wouldn't have forgotten this.
Yeah I bring up TPM and people just angry - weird.
Is it weird tho? Or do people just love to hate the sequels
@@thegoldman25 A lot of is just money - hating Disney makes money BUT I do get this a lot from just ordinary people. Interestingly, I would say in six or seven conversation ONE person admitted the Anakin comparison was legit. So there we are - most people are biased but a few do see the double standard. Some progress I guess.
It makes little sense because she's been a scavenger all her life. Even if she had some flight experience which was explained in the novelization as having "some" hours clocked in on a flight simulator it doesn't justify the insane flying tricks in a dated ship she's pulling off to dodge two I'm assuming well trained Tie Fighter pilots.
Not to mention, she hasn't been trained in the force yet so using that as an argument doesn't count as an explanation for her ability to dodge in-coming blaster fire in a real dog fight. It's one long reach after another while basing it all on assumption she knows how to fly a ship under duress that should've got both her and Finn killed.
At least Luke had training flying down Beggar's Canyon shooting Womp Rats while Anakin was participating at high speed in some of the most dangerous forms of space age F1 racing of the time period. Even if you bring the force into the equation for their abilities Anakin was literally someone who was going to bring balance to the force and Luke hadn't begun his training yet. Rey was simply the progeny of a cloned Emperor that didn't even have that as an explanation at the time of filming of The Force Awakens. It's not the same and it makes no sense.
It all reeks of the premise that no doubt clinched the sale of Star Wars to Disney. A random female character becomes the next "Jedi" of note to bring Luke back from the brink...only they didn't know how to properly write that female character into the series so they made her all but a Mary Sue...which is bizarre given Disney has world class artistic and writing talent to pull from...and they settled for the sequel trilogy.
she didn't have insane flight tricks though
I always said that rey is too op when it gets to flying but now when I saw your video I take everything back.
I'm glad I could change your mind
I agree with many of your points but one I don’t is about Luke. Didn’t Luke train to be a pilot alongside Biggs? Biggs joined the imperial academy and Luke was deciding if he wanted to join or stay on the farm. I think that gives Luke a lot credibility on how he knew how to pilot an x-wing
I'm not sure that is ever established
@@thegoldman25 Technically, it was established in a deleted scene and the serialization
@@thegoldman25 So I just did a little research and apparently the reason he knew how to pilot an x-wing is due to exactly what you mentioned. He had driven a T-16 sky hopper which was actually used by the Rebel Alliance to train their pilots due to the controls of both being very similar. Again, not all established in the movie but established in other forms nonetheless.
Anakin stuff is stupid. But Luke has an actual reason to be a good pilot. The T-16 Skyhopper is for training x-fighter pilots. And even though this was established in the novel, the actual info was pulled from an earlier script by George Lucas. So, it seems to be intended for that to have been in the movie. But for whatever reason, it was cut. And the one in a million shot was literally force stuff. So I'm not sure the complaint here. And it was a fact that he was flying in canyons shooting womp rats about the same size too. So it isn't like the situation was that different from what he's used to.
My biggest gripe with Rey is that being a good mechanic doesn't give you the ability to fly something. For all intents and purposes, there are vast differences between ships. So even if she had piloted ships previously. That shouldn't transfer over to other ships. Plane pilots have to train extensively to pilot more than one type of plane. And that's just taking planes from a single planet. There's probably hundreds, if not, thousands of different types in that planet. And I imagine a lot of them have ergonomics for species other than humans. Her crashing I always took as her trying her best to avoid the pilots rather than her being bad. Because she pulled off that flip really well.. I don't think that flip being close to the ground is a good argument for it being bad. She was trying to stick close to the ground because of the sensors. She still seemed to have a much better grasp on piloting a ship she's never handled before than anyone should have. Even with the crashes she managed to rectify the ship too. Which takes some level of skill I feel. Like if you start to lose control of your car on the highway. Because of aquaplaning, or something. Many drivers would just not be able to recover from that situation. Yet she did several times.
Luke:
I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters. Movie Referring to Lukes skills as a pilot of his ship back home, and his Targeting and shooting skills.
Plus heard that operating a T-16 is like a X-Wing from Star Wars ship Encyclopedia
Commander Garven Dreis: Skywalker, you sure you can handle this ship?
(Lukes friend from Tatooine) Biggs: "Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories."
Commander Garven Dreis: "You'll do all right."
Luke : "Thank you, sir. I'll try. Movie Referring 2nd time to Luke's Piloting skills.
Luke says to Wedge before entering Death Star Trench (Attack Run).
Luke: It will be like beggar's canyon back home.
Movie Referring 3rd time to his Piloting Skills, with his T-16 ship flying through Mountain Canyons back home on Tatooine !
They point this out, not only in OG Movie. The OG Movie Book Novels, Nintendo Game Cube- Video Game Star Wars Rogue Squadron.
As for the Force and Lightsaber skill. He had guidance and Training from both Obi Wan and Yoda
And this Sequel wasn't suppose to be the Sequel anyway ! George Lucas himself talked about this during interview with Kathleen Kennedy. Plus Bob Iger the CEO of Disney talks about it in his book. Not only that but George Lucas had a plan of Sequels going back to 1980s after Return of the Jedi. There's old 1980s interview footage of Mark Hamill talking about it. Plus Articles of George Lucas being interviewed on it.
Itchy Bacca's UA-cam channel explains it all
The Movie is a Sloppy Copycat/Rehash of the Original Trilogy
Rey is hack version of Luke
Rey comes from a Sand planet, like Luke
Kylo is a hack version of Darth Vader, but do like Kylos Lightsaber
Snoke is Palpatine, but not now ! After Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker
First Order is the Empire
There's so much ! Not only did they Hijack OG Trilogy but they ripped off OG EU and Stole ideas from Social media fans Story and Art
Rey is not a Engineer, she was a Metal Scrapper.
Thanks for the comment
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Dude luke's was explained in the comics.
We only talking about the movies
@@thegoldman25 well I don't know what the fanbase is made about cause all of the things you mentioned mostly get's solved in the comics. Luke's, Anakin's, Rey's all of it mostly. I mean you have to explore all mediums. Luke trained in his childhood while he was a farmer his training was shown, Anakin trains in the comics his kinda traumatic I guess padawan years are explored. Besides the only problem I have with the sequels is that it ruined Luke. One notable difference between his new jedi order and the old one is that dark need not be extinguished it can slowly be trained to be controlled so it made no sense why he would strike down Kylo Ren. He should have lived a happy life married to Mara Jade Skywalker. Just my thoughts. Hey hope it's note too much but how did she win a force tug of war with Kylo while having no training and how did she use a jedi mind trick without ever being trained in it. Now I know she won her duel with Kylo cause he was emotionally not well cause he killed his father but these are the few doubts I had.😁😁😁😁😁😁😁.
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The Gold Man has a point though. Sure the external media might add to things more... which is fine for filling in gaps.
But if the movie can't go "Wait howcome Rey can do that?" and has to go "Uhh uhhh Novelisation? Umm umm FORCE LEETZ HAXXOR DOWNLOAD!!!!" (which somehow makes things worse) well that's not very good.
S'why I like 'Alan Dean Foster's stuff. It sticks to the (at the time script) and only really delves more into things the movie can't do like "What was this guy thinking at the time?" or little niggly idiosyncrasies.
@@hellacoorinna9995 I get you but this is a classic trick of star wars, throw exposition in comics and novels. Even the Avatar ( the James Cameron one ) is doing this for godsakes, seriously go read Avatar the Next Shadow (2021) explores events two weeks after the movie's ending. All I am saying is everyone does this these days ( Godzilla Aftershock throws exposition for Godzilla King of the Monsters ).
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There's nothing wrong with exposition. A lot of the fan-bitching about power levels and "Can Star Destroyer Beat Enterprise-D" comes from the tech manuals (although "What the ship can do in the movies/TV" is held up to a higher standard.
But in terms of, "The SSD carries a gorillion personnel" is nice, and finding out just what it's squadron compliment is, is a nice touch.
But "It can go a giggabajillionsquillion parsecs" when in the movies, we see a perfectly working ISD "racing to catch the rebel scum" only going a "bajillion parsecs" then you have to weigh up "Which seems more likely".
It's like the old "The hand-phaser can vapourise this mountain in one go!" that someone said as a threat in one TNG episode.
Now they could've been telling the truth or they could've been exaggerating. Or they could've been outright bullshitting to scare whoever they were telling it to.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At the end of the day though, my point is that if you see the thing do a thing on screen, then you have to take that as more likely than "Well the novel said this".
I mean, in the "Alien" novelisation, the crew have laser pistols for example (and they were there in the initial script and some of the publicity shots ( avp.fandom.com/wiki/RXF-M5_EVA_Pistol )
But they're never featured (barring any 'ha ha starbucks in Westeros') background shots where they didn't remove them.
Ergo, for all intents and purposes the USCSS _Nostromo_ did not have laser pistols.
Out of all the complaints that people should be screaming into the Internet; is the Leia death fake out maybe? Or the fact that Han and Luke never had one scene together... but noooooo these nerds... are confused... about a girl flying the falcon..... geeeez I wonder what thats all about
This video has a lot of good points. 👍
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it :)
@@thegoldman25 👍
I don't understand the hate for Rey. I think she's great. Plus Daisy Ridley is so beautiful
Agreed!
It's about the nature of the force,didn't you learn anything from Obi-Wan?
It's because she's a girl. That's why.
Another awesome video, dude. Keep debunking the poor arguments of these haters. Subscribed!
People claim that the “‘Mary Sue” argument isn’t because a character is a girl, but not once in the history of existence have they criticized a man for being OP. Thanks for subscribing!
If rey was a dude and the writing was the same, the other criticisms would still be there, it's about the writing not the gender.
0:04 Complaining?,... more like Geek+Gaming,... I know... it was terrible.
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Others will have their reasons, but for me, the difference between Anakin and Rey as told in their first movies, was that Anakin was shown to be an accomplished pilot with a high level of skill. Not only was he was able to fix his pod racer while being “attacked” by Sebulba, but also after being forced onto the ramp, Anakin performed some trick flying to not just recover, but use that to gain the lead and eventually win the race.
But during the Droid Control Ship incident, Anakin’s lack of experience with a military craft as well as never having fired that type of weapons before, the movie plays it as a quite fortuitous accident that Anakin got a lucky shot and took out the Control Ship. In other words, he wasn’t aiming specifically at the ship’s reactor. But we already knew that Anakin was a skilled pilot, so we never doubted that he could do tricks like roll the ship like he did.
Qui-Gon also detects the Force abilities in Anakin, so from that point we “know why” Anakin is such a good pilot.
Rey on the other hand, the movie never took the time to show her piloting skills. We’re told in bit and pieces that she has a lot of mechanical knowledge. And eventually when she talks to Han, he’s impressed by her knowledge of the Falcon’s systems. But prior to that, we don’t even know if she’s ever piloted a ship (I think,) let alone how practiced she is, besides her riding the speeder from the crashed Star Destroyer.
I don’t think anyone has a problem that Rey could fly the Falcon in the most basic way. What I found troublesome was that she could pilot a massively non-nimble cargo ship like the Falcon with such skill and precision that she could maneuver the Falcon inside a wrecked Star Destroyer. It basically was Rey on her first flight in the Falcon, and no other formal military or racing skill, doing things that only Han or Lando should be able to do after many years of smuggling with the Falcon.
We don’t know at that point yet about any Force abilities in Rey, so her ability to anticipate how to “stall” the Falcon at the top of the turn so that the Finn’s gun could get a shot at the TIE, that is either skill by a lot of experience with that particular ship (which she doesn’t have since it’s her first time flying the Falcon,) or Force abilities, which she never knew she had.
THAT IMHO is the problem with the way Rey is shown to pilot the Falcon. Yes, we can say she’s a “natural pilot” because of the Force, but so early in the movie, the writing never showed that, so it makes it hard to believe.
Also, nobody that I can think of at all thinks Anakin's taking out that droid control ship wasn't anything but stupid.
..at least in the prequel-sequels he gets training enough where we can buy him being a good combat pilot.
Just want to point out some things with each character
Anakin didn’t technically fly it half the time it was the auto pilot R2 did most of the secondary functions and Anakin had experience with pod racing which requires quick reflexes and decisions making that he has at least 1 or 2 years of experience in and even then he wasn’t good at flying, you could make the argument that he got lucky as those battle droids are cheep to make and very stupid, their effectiveness is in their numbers, 1 of those droids is like comparing a RVB character in an actual battle, so it’s not like Anakin was dealing with smart enemies to begin with, dealing dealing pod racing is already a dangerous thing to do as death is not limited in the race, Anakin could have been shot or the other racers could have actually killed him if he wasn’t careful so Anakin actually having experience in those situations with quick reflexes makes sense she would be able to survive a space battle for a time and even then he probably would have died had he not landed in the hanger, he was an ok pilot he didn’t even outdo any other pilot on his side or the enemies he just got lucky to get into the hanger
Luke actually has some education in flying as he studied so he can be in academy, actually has flown ships in the past and has had some practice and all his skill in it has been commented on by other characters not just himself, and even then luke when he did fly didn’t do anything better then his friends of the storm troopers he was good but he wasn’t what you call an expert even thou he had the education and the practice
Rey however has no build up to being a pilot from the very beginning, nothing in her backstory suggests she is and you can’t just do it and let’s say she has been in a flight simulator well that’s the equivalent to me putting on a VR headset for a simulation based on driving does that mean when I actually drive I’ll be as good as I am at actual driving no because a simulation is just that a simulation, the “sim” in that means it’s similar but not exactly like what ever is it being similar to, for example if I play sims 4 does that mean I’ll be an expert at life no because no matter how similar it is it’s not exactly the same so you can’t call it practice unless you actually let’s say fly a ship via remote control like how the clones did in attack of the clones when obi won visited, it’s explained that you actually need the full depth rig to even be capable of flying, and let’s say rey did fly let’s say a frater ship, it be the equivalent to riding a FX truck delivering packages, the falcon is like a specialized racing car customized to be as fast as possible(as it’s the fastest ship we know of in Star Wars or at least one of the fastest) it’s not something you can pilot compared to a frater ship which is not fast or maneuverable in nature, not to mention he falcon must be co piloted to maintain most of its functions like shields power diversion, engines speed Hyper drive, weapons(besides the turrets fin uses) and basically the overall functions of the ship, it be like managing let’s say the enterprise from Star track just on a smaller scale were you need more then one person to operate the ship, if one person could manage it all on their own then what’s the point in a crew which the falcon was made for, this isn’t like kuan’s ship in into darkness where he specifically made a superior ship better then the enterprise in every single way including being able to have the ship being runed by one man via their is an AI that helps him,
Based on all of that it still doesn’t make sense for rey to pilot the falcon given it’s nature as a ship, it would have been completely different if it was an x wing or a ship that only requires 1 pilot. In that case it be somewhat believable if she had former experience but since their was no build up and the fact all the stuff to back up that she has experience came after the force awakens then yes her being able to fly any ship without knowledge would make her just as clueless as young Anakin except 9 year old Anakin had pod racing as his experience which helped via he has refined reflexes and decisions making skills and built his own pod racer given wodo made him build some in the past just to get some money, so basically Anakin at 9 years old slave to someone who made him work on machines who had a mother and a slaver to teach him everything vs rey someone who isn’t a slave and has no clear teacher or explanation on her background on doing what she does even when she is a decade ahead of Anakin
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@@thegoldman25 do you at least learn something and not just ignore me or best yet why not correct me if you think you see something wrong and can prove it, or perhaps established you got some insight, Like come on this is the point of criticism
I think the main difference between Luke and Rey's piloting skills is that Luke's skills were important for the climax of his first movie. Rey's wasn't, that was Poe.
does that matter though?
@@thegoldman25 It's like this, ANH had quite a few lines throughout the movie telling us how great of a pilot Luke is even though he never actually flies anything until the end. Because his skills were important to the destruction of the death star
Poe's skills were built up throughout TFA, especially in the opening crawl. Because his skills were important to the destruction of starkiller base. Being a kickass pilot is a big part of Poe's identity.
Rey had a single line right before she flies the falcon telling us she's a pilot. "Finn: We need a pilot." "Rey: We've got one." and then right after she say's "I've flown ships but never left the planet."
Rey didn't need a whole movie to build up her piloting skills because in the END, they weren't important. Hell like you said, after the falcon escape she never does more "impressive" piloting throughout the trilogy ever again. Because being a pilot isn't a part of Rey's identity, it's just an excuse for her to get from point A to point B in the plot.
So Rey managed to survive all those years on a harsh, hostile world with seemingly no friends, or a positive support system? Isn’t that just a bit much to let sink in?
She wasn't by herself. Unkar Plutt purposely kept her alive and taught her how to be a scavenger so he could make money off her. Therefore, in order to keep making money from Rey's useful scavenging- Unkar Plutt kept her alive. This isn't hard to infer from watching the movie, lmao. It's not a bit much to let sink in. She had no positive support system, yes. But she had hope that her parents would return and therefore a reason to stay alive + someone teaching her to be a scavenger and keeping her fairly safe and alive.
MOVIE SOUP You would think that Rey would be just a little bit more jaded and cynical after all that time on Jakku. Children are very impressionable things you know.
Children could become cynical and jaded when they look up to someone who is cynical and jaded as a hero. Rey looked up to her parents who weren’t cynical or jaded and were more like her. She wouldn’t want to be like Unkar Plutt therefore she wouldn’t act like him.
She had to learn to adapt, unkar plutt probably “trained” her well enough to be able to fight on her own
Yep, I would agree with that
I got a bridge to sell you.
go ahead
Rey is the exact definition of a Mary Sue, stop trying to justify such a terrible and bland character, it only shows how shallow your arguments are.
you are objectively wrong!
@@thegoldman25 Say whatever you want to some illiterate ignorants, she will always be remembered as the protag of the downfall of a beloved saga like Star Wars.
Do you watched his video of why she is NOT a Mary-Sue?