When you have more than 1k payload of bombs, which is what the mission needs in a small time frame like this, you sacrifice speed. In this type of mission I choose bombers over a ywing that only have a payload of 10 any day Why are we nitpicking stuff like this in star wars? You know what other design looks old? Every ship after the the prequel's timeline. You know what design looks illogical? Millennium Falcon, deathstar. You know what goes down in space for no reason in the past movies yet no one complained? A star destroyer after being defeated. What's my point? SHUT UP AND STOP PRETENDING THIS IS A BIG DEAL!
BTW, I recently found out they had the audacity to name these abominations "B/SF-17 Starfortress" And it used "gravity bombs" It's a knockoff shittier space version of a B-17 bomber with no onboard defenses. They didn't even come up with an original name, really, they just ripped the idea out of history.
And what's worse is that they're in SPACE! They could easily attack the dreadnaught from ANY angle, but they choose the one trajectory that makes them the most vulnerable! And whatever happened to those cool Y-Wing bombers from the original trilogy? X-Wings are still around, so why couldn't the Y-Wings get brought back?
They work magnetically in zero gravity using modified rail gun tech? Sure, so why not launch the bombs using that same tech except horizontally from 20km away instead of 50 feet away vertically?
It wasn’t Poe’s fault that all the bombers were taken out. It was the resistance’s fault for picking bombers that moved slow as fucking slugs instead of the far more agile Y-Wings. Did they seriously think a sizable amount of those bombers could make a successful bombing run and return to the cruiser?
REALLY sad part. The y-wings at this point would be like 50+ years old! They were introduced during the clone wars. And even still those aging bombers would have performed better than the sh__ they used.
"The bombs are magnetic." Ok, so they should attach to the nearest metal object, right? Then they should attach to the bombers... Awesome design, 10/10 kamikaze pilots approve.
I think they were talking about rail gun type stuff, or Gauss guns. You know, electromagnetism pushes the bombs out, rather than the bomb itself being magnetic.
@@Smerpyderp so why the hell would you design it to shoot 'down' instead of forward? You're in space, you have no benefit in 'dropping' them. A forward firing rail system has the advantage of range and greater penetration, as the projectile would continue to accelerate in null gravity (nothing is slowing it down), actually increasing it's effectiveness with range. And greater speed at point of impact equates to a greater release of potential energy, making them more effective a forward firing configuration would give you better manuverability, since you just have to point the nose of the bomber at the target for a few seconds to launch the payload... you wouldn't have to slowly fly over a potentially moving target that probably doesn't want to make your job easy.... basically those bombers are designed to make life as difficult for their crews as possible, instead of taking advantage of the conditions of space combat to make themselves more effective. They're laughably slow and forced to get within suicide range to be of any use, however they're supposed to actually 'drop' their payload. 'magnetism' is a really shit answer to the problem Rian's laziness created. Star Wars needs to start hiring some actual professional science fiction writers if it actually wants to patch these plot holes. This is really basic knowledge to anyone who's read hard scifi.
The bombers are made of PLA right out of a giant 3D printer, so nothing magnetic. Makes perfect sense. Especially if you drink before thinking about it.
In 2015 fans were put inside a chrysalis of shock and disbelief. In 2017 the chrysalis hatched and fans were turned into a Zerg swarm. TLJ had the first Budlight effect. Toy stores became museums.
Anyone could. There's a reason why in Ep 1 showed that what blockades are for, deny any ground in space. Then the ground invasion. There's also a reason why in Ep 5, the Rebels have to fire the ion cannon to disable the SD first before launching any transports. But Rian is so clever. Genius!
Raider325 That isn’t true. The shockwave is excellent at erasing fighters and lightly-armored units, but it struggles to punch through heavy shielding. The larger ships would shrug off the attack with little to no damage.
@@Aredel idk, seems like it did a pretty good job against those building sized asteroids. I know it's not the same as a shielded capital ship, but still.
King Pablo the shockwave is good against light armor, but it’s hard countered but medium-heavy shields because of it being a simple shockwave that won’t rattle the structural integrity of an energy shield.
@@lnsullivan422 no. They complain about bad decisions made. You have to talk about good things and also bad stuff. And this is not only bad, it's lazy, uncreative and bad.
"Bombers keep that tight formation." Yes thats what we need in a combat scenario all of our ships, that are packed with explosives, close enough that they can blow eachother up with debris from i one another.
I'm like fairly certain spacing is important even in a real life military scenario. You don't want to give the enemy a lot of chances to take out more than one of you if they have the chance to take something out. Also funny enough, we saw that happen in the movie why spacing is key.
Well if we look back to the last time bomber formations were ever really used on mass in aggression 1939-1945 you'll find that bombers usually flew in a close formation, mostly for overlapping fields of fire to mutually support each other in case of an attack on the formation. Plus the bombs within the bombers exploding violently is silly... especially in anything past semi-modern bombs that have reliable safeties that require the bomb to be armed before it would detonate even if it gets hit by a stray round or piece of shrapnel, then adding the reasonable assumption that in with all this fancy technology they have they'd of likely found even safer explosives to use in bombs. not really defending the movie... the scene was a load of shit and could have been so much better.
@@barrycabbageM34 Curious, wouldn't those bombers be guarded by other attack planes possibly surrounding them? Wouldn't make sense for those bombers to be alone especially if those are the planes that will do some real damage and are meant to blow up bases or sadly at times, cities.
@@popo0129 Bombers flew in formations because that way the would have more firepower against an enemy attack (a B-17 had 5 turrets, usually .50cals, so more bombers = more turrets, and more bombers in a tight formation can form a "wall" of bullets). Despite all that, most estrategic bomb runs were made with an escort of either P-51s or P-47s (American side that is) because enemy fighters and interceptors were a big threath even with 50 turrets to protect yourself. Also keep in mind that these bombings had especific targets, industry, cities, military zones, etc; and the aircaft aproached target at 5-6 km of altittude so that anti air artillery wouldn't be effective. In the scenario the movie gives (some enemy ships aproaching allies) it would have been more efective to load a fighter with ordinance, something the US did during ww2 with almost all of it's fighters. The situation the movie pressents is a military failure, I keep wondering why didn't the First Order just fire all the turrets they had at the slow and big ships that were aproaching them, it also makes no sense to send a ship clearly designed to be used in a controlled airspace in a head-up attack against not only a bigger fleet, but an enemy fleet that has variety such as fighters, interceptors and "anti-ship defenses"
@@sebastianvergara8332 Yeah that makes sense then. Never knew about the turrets bombers had, that seems like a pretty good solid defense against other planes attacking at least. Yeah this scene had huge problems for me because these bombers did really have nothing for defense like turrets or possibly stronger armor against enemy fire. Just seemed like a giant disaster to happen which, it did end up being. Kind of feels like the writers just watched some scenes of military operations and just threw in stuff to make it sound more tactical and aimed more for visuals than something more logical. I can't remember the scene very well but I feel like one tactic that could have been done was getting most of their shits to attack the front then maybe a small fleet including the bombers flank from another position to bomb them. Even then though, those bombers are super slow so it feels like a vehicle you should just scrap all together lol.
There is no film-related sentiment I loathe more than, "This movie has (fantasy thing) in it, therefore nothing else in the story needs to be logical, grounded, or self-consistent."
And that's one thing I hate. I like writing fantasy because you don't really have to explain how everything works, but you need to maintain a level of consiatency with regards to stuff like magic
@@lordhellstrande7188 That summarizes basically any criticism for the sequels! Like they’re just so inconsistent. Like ik Star Wars technology has been stagnant for thousands of years but stagnant doesn’t mean actually going backwards lol
The Clone Wars Era has always seemed more advanced than its successors. Both the Republic and Separatists were extremely innovative. And then there’s star killer base. Another Death Star that’s simply bigger. Oh boy, big surprise they were able to blow it up. It’s almost like I’ve seen that before, *twice*. Personally the newer movies lack originality, and where they do try and get original, they screw with lore.
The originals have the excuse of being filmed in the late 70s and early 80s. Also I’m imagining the clones watching this scene somewhere either laughing their arses off. Or cringing at what the hell is going on.
Having Starkiller Base be destroyed in the same way the first two Death Stars were was insane. 30 years later and they can’t fucking make it without a bullseye in the middle that doubles as a self-destruct button. It’s aggravatingly retarded
well it is a technology purely for war we are talking about here. It's logical that during pretty much the biggest galactic-scale conflict in the history both sides would have an arms-race and try to come up with the most destructive and powerfull war machines and ships. Just look at Malevolance for example. Hell it was one of the main topics of discussion in the republic senate at that time if they should sacrifice more budget for the war or not. It's just more needed in times of war. During the Empire they didnt had to try anymore, they still did some cool shit from time to time but overall they mostly used the same technology they used in Clone Wars, if not worse ones to cheapen a mass prodcution. They didnt have to be creative anymore, The only real threats that were left to fight against were rebel cells that had very poor equipment and planets that are opposing the Imperial occupation. That's why pretty much all Clones seen Stormtroopers as inferior with their cheap armor, shit training that revolved around brain washing them into loyality and crappy blasters. Rex has no respect for them in Rebels, he even shows that despite being old he can take a fuckton of them without suffering a single scratch. As for New Republic era, they demilitarized themselves so it COULD explain why the bombers here might infact be really fucking outdated pieces of technology, but dont take my word for it im basically writing fanfiction here, i just assume that those two things might be closely connected to each other. All though if they are modern the holy fucking shit did Johnson even seen Clone Wars? Anakin Skywalker crashed an entire Cruiser into a separatist command, destroying the entire Ryloth blocade with just one empty ship. Separatists wanted to do something simular later in the war by sending a republic cruiser filled with fuel tanks into a meeting place for commanders and generals, and if they would succeed at detonating it in a right spot then everyone in that meeting place would be dead as fuck. AND STILL despite them failing to do that they managed to still take a few cruisers with them when it exploded too soon. God you can excuse the technology but you cant excuse the absolute stupidity of those grown ass people in the movie. It's just not excusable
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn the melavolence was fucking op I mean just have a buncj of those and to take out the ships and then send in ships with powerfull canons to destroy them
The first two series were made by men who love the universe they made. The latest series is made by feminine types who hate men and wanted to show why on film
I was so disinterested in Last Jedi that I too wondered how these bomber ships worked. My biggest concern was that these ships are unbelievably unsafe. If one bomb went off, they'd all go off. And then it happened.
Plus why didnt the bombs have failsafes, like irl ones have? Why risk carrying an unstable explosive into a battlefield where the main projectiles are superheated plasmabolts.
While i hated these trilogies i did appreciate the asthetic look of alot of the newer tech. I think these bombers were definately impracticle, but if they were faster and combined with a larger fleet would be useful. Like if they had more combined bombing strike capability, as they could be left in the rear until the rebel fleet got in close to distract enemy ships they could perhaps maneuver in above and jetison a full payload but ofcourse more like a firefighting plane drops its water on its target.
The bombers were stupid, carrying bombs that were full of stupid. And when the bombs exploded, a massive shockwave of stupidity was propagated through the rest of the movie, making it stupid, and irradiating the whole audience and lowering their collective IQ. All of this “fan-splaining” is deeply ironic, considering that the writers were all so idiotic that they didn’t even think of how the bombers should work, or why they should even exist. It’s just insulting, really.
I wouldn't even say tell everything, since 'everything' would include the Y-wing and B-wing, both highly effective bombers. It's more like giving them a 100-word summary.
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 ARE WE BLIND ???? AIM ALL OUR CANONS ON THE BOMBER!, See it wasnt that hard now the galaxy is ours as I've also captured the resistance in a ray shield
All part of Disney's plan. You watch the movie in the cinema, and then buy the movie just to watch it multiple times. Car crash clips have more views than wedding videos.
You're listening to the wrong people. Those bombs fell whilst inside a gravitational field obviously generated by the ship. Now, you can't SEE this thing, so it looks like, there's just space RIGHT there OMG SHE's IN SPACEEE, THEY'RE SO STUPID HOW IS SHE ALIVE" She was at the bottom of the stairs, breathing normally etc. So there was obviously gravity inside that bay, Just because you couldn't see a force field to show where the gravity stops, what does that mean? Well, nothing. Look at the original movies, on multiple occasions in the original movies,m such as when palpatine arrives on the first death star, he lands in the hangar, and speaks to vadar, you can clearly see, that ship he was on flew through what appeared to be just a big wide open black entrance. With no masks on etc. Meaning what? Meaning that hangar was using some kind of force field that was generating gravity and air. But you can't see anything over that door can you? So obviously the same thing was happening here she was breathing and ok, so they'd obviusly thought we understoof that just because there's no Blue forcefield or something there, that obviousloy the ship, like other ships in the universe we've seen still have them, you just can't see them. So what does that mean aboput the bombs? Welp, if SHE could fall down really fast and KO herself, Then the bombs could fall right? as they were also in the ships fake gravity field it generated. So now it's easy, with the conservation of momentum theory, obviously, whatever speed those bombs were traveling when they left the gravity field of the ship, they would keep that exact same amount of speed for eternity if nothing was in the way. And thats the truth it's actually embarrassing how many people, i think it's like 95% who think that JUST because there's nothing to show that there's something generating gravity inside the bomb bay of that ship EVEN THOUGH there's a f*cking Ladder there for people to climb down, and manually drop bombs, they MUST be just in open space then?? Again, Other ships in the original star wars films didn't show anything guarding doors out to black space And lastly. About the "ERRRR Her ship flew through snokes ship in lightspeed"""" That is SO retarded, why don't they make bombs with droids blah blah. Thats because these idiots ALL believe (because someone said it and they listened) that during lightspeed/hyperspace, the ship SOMEHOW goes out of existance, goes into some kind of wormhole or something, and then just appears on the other side., When we can clearly hear Han Saying in the first movie "Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" .. so how do you fly THROUGH a Star, if you're not actually travelling in space but a wormhole, and why can you fly through a star and get killed, but not a ship? ffs
@@boogiestreet594 like the guy in the video said: "it's not impossible, it's impractical" For example the gymnastics you're doing to explain how it works shows how impractical it really is
@Ryan Allison The star wars universe has planets more resources available and real wars have been the cause of immense technological progress due to the arms race that war creates.
4 years later and i still cant wrap my head around "keep that tight formation". like, someone conciously wrote that, assumedly got it proofread, then got it approved for the script, then it was shot and edited, then published with the film, and nobody during that entire process took a moment to think "hmm, why ARE they keeping a tight formation while being swarmed by an enemy squadron? wouldn't that just make them easier to take out?".
see you put more thought into it during a single yt comment than the entire staff that produced the film. these movies were a shameless cash grab built on the back of the nostalgia and success of the previous movies.
During WW2 Heavy Bomber squadrons kept in formations so they could cover each other with their guns. Its such a blatant copy and paste of WW2 tactics 😂.
@@khosrowzare8301 *Dreadnought spins* "Sir! The dreadnought is rolling over!" 'Well fuck, a whole ten minutes wasted." *TIEs come in and hit mid-pack bomber only, causing a ricochet self-destruct* Tie Pilot "And to think our ships were never **that** bad!"
I just started watching the Clone Wars animated series and I have to say the story is much more well written than in these sequels. Even though they were meant for younger audiences, there's much more heart in those "cartoons" than in these huge colossals
@@blizzit1211 at the start TCW was meant for a younger audience. The stories, animation quality, characters were Childish with lessons for children to learn. It starts changing mid season 3 and by the end of Season 7 any age can enjoy it immensely
It literally aired on cartoon network... duh it was made for a younger audience. Doesn't undermine a damn thing about them whatsoever though. They were created to enhance the prequels, and George was giving the green light all around. The guy that created Star Wars for kids. Of course they have heart! Along with that, they're chock-full of lore, character development and actual answers that fit into the overall tapestry of a story. Fuck Disney
I think the people who defend those bombers forget one thing, one of the most important things in engineering: efficiency. The amount of wasted resources to make bombers like that work when there are other cheaper and more effective options.
@@lordhellstrande7188 they were way to expensive. They were only there to bring fear to the galaxy, which failed. And since when is logic a theme in Star Wars anyway?
@@DeutscherPatrick the idea of a death star is to blow up 1 planet and keep the galaxy under control with fear, It is a good plan, at least in theory, but Palpatine had a massive boner for superweapons, Thrawn already told him that instead of making a death star they could build better tie fighters and more star destroyers to do the same work but better
"the bashing videos are masterpieces. " - This is the best they could come up with TWO VERSIONS OF HI - Like ... THE GROUND - A shaved orangutan would be more creative ... - 3 ships that could actually get to their target ... and back again
If they wanted a ww2 inspired bomber aircraft, what about taking inspiration from a naval torpedo bomber, like the TBF Avenger? You know, an aircraft DESIGNED to attack ships!
It's the fault of tactics. Big @$$ slow bombers (B-52) are still used, but only if your forces have air superiority, meaning the enemy can't do $#!+ to stop you. Otherwise, you use nimble multi-role craft or stealth bombers. It seems nobody at Disney thought to ask anyone with any knowledge to sanity check the plot.
@@lanefunai4714 I was thinking the same damn thing when I saw the movie. I'm no expert- I've only played games and seen war documentaries and the like- but even I knew it was a stupid idea.
It's even sadder that the very same X-wing starfighter in the service of the Resistance (and was flown by Poe in this exact scene) _actually carried torpedoes in the very first Star Wars movie._
Boat Cow but the laws of physics aren’t just a suggestion. Its an inescapable boundary. I know we’re talking about a movie where the space ships are as big as cities and they can go light speed, but we’re talking about stuff that we know about
Didn't we have self-propelled proton torpedoes in the other movies? Why did we regress to dropping unguided marbles with vastly-reduced payloads on the enemy?
Because the enemy started to equip their CAPITAL ships with only a few point defense turrets on the top so a weapon that wouldn`t require you to fly slowly over the ship would make the fight really unfair duh.
Probably because the Resistance, much like the Rebels, are poor as fuck and use older, repurposed equipment because it's all they have? Took me 5 seconds to figure that one out.
What? The. Heck? How did Episode 8 get such a high score? It's worse than trash. It's an abomination of the movie. At leas the audience rating is low. Honestly, the only reason I can come up with it getting such a high score is that it was rigged. Maybe Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy paid them off?
@@jamesm9789 RottenTomatoes can pick and choose which reviewers to add to their aggregate. For starters, the tendency of movie reviewers is to blindly champion anything that pushes certain politics. RottenTomatoes is fully on board with this-there's an article that talks about their endeavors to specifically add more reviewers who think that way, and they have made several conspicuously selective edits to review scores-so the result is what you get there. Metacritic is more reliable, in that they haven't done the extra legwork to find politically-driven reviewers the way RT has. This doesn't stop reviewers from being largely of that mind in the first place, but it does mean Metacritic's critic score is less deliberately skewed. See for yourself.
He didn't, but he thought he did, that was the problem. He probably thinks he made the best Star Wars film to date, and it was a cinematic masterpiece.
@Frithiof Mårtensson 8a yeah let's make something massive and slow completely unshielded despite Rebel ships being heavily shielded being established Canon. Oh and make it use bombs instead of proton torpedoes which were also established Canon.
You can get around the problems of magnetic bombs by saying that they're mechanically pushed down on release, but it doesn't make it any more believable that anyone would even use a ship like this. You'd be better off dangling a proton bomb from a fighter and just cutting the line to fling it at the enemy.
@@ElectromagNick well an actual logical physics-based answer there would be that all the bombs and the ship would have the same type of charge so they'd repel each other. The ship having a larger and stronger field should push all of them away even as the lower ones start pushing back against the bombs above them. But this explanation also doesn't work because all of the bombs dropped straight down and in a system with only repelling forces the bombs would start spreading out instead of dropping in a straight line. They were better off saying the bombs were gravity-based because gravity still works but to a lesser extent while a planet is underneath you.
Also, rather certain that with only a few modifications to the Y-Wing, it could fire those ridiculous "Magnetic bombs" out their cannons... With more efficency.
Yeah, and as for the arguement that the Starfortress has a payload 50x that of the Y-wing, the K-wing can fufill this desire while having a comparable speed to the Y wing. Hell, it has a QUAD TURBOLASER! ON A STARFIGHTER! As a bonus, this would please fans of the EU, like me. HAD DISNEY NOT AXED THE WHOLE THING!!!!
Explain the fucking X-Wings that are in space, have no air resistance and could still move faster than those bombers and could do sideflips, frontflips, backflips.
Bill Simmons We can’t, some of us figured out how to cure depression is by reliving your childhood, however the Sequel Trilogy ain’t gonna be anyone’s childhood.
I'm so glad someone else noticed how dumb it was to have bombs falling in zero gravity. I also wondered why they had these things going so slow and only approaching from one angle.
Ryan: So I’ve come up with these WW2 inspired space bombers they deliver a massive payload but they are incredibly heavy and clunky which makes them super slow. Lucasfilm creative teams: why wouldn’t the resistance use tried and true Y-wings? Ryan: what’s a Y-Wing?
Y wings would ve outdated being 50 years old vut i would still take a bromen y wing over a carppy ship that a disfunctional tiefighter can take out 3 of
James Christensen the problem I see with magnetic bombs is that the ship is metal.... so wouldn’t she bombs just stick to the ships dropping the bombs? And if they have a remote way to make them magnetic then how did they fall initially? So many dumb ideas on how they operate😂
Kswagers ESO Not if the bomber operates like a rail gun, they won't. But then again, since these bombers are basically on a suicide mission, might as well give them bigger engines and fly them into the dreadnought anyway.
Koray Acar yes if they were on a rail gun but like shown, it’s not. They seem to free fall out of the hull which would not be possible for a huge number of reasons. The only possible explanation I have is that the Dreadnaught was so massive that the equipment used to generate gravity extended far beyond the reaches of the ship. But many other reasons why that can’t work due to certain physics being displayed.
@@jaws1628 100% as a electrical engineer, they would stick like fuck to the bomb-bay itself, there's so much wasted payload space on-board too. If I had to work in the constraints of the bomber from a engineering point of view id fuck off the magnetic idea and have a simple ejector that would give the bombs a simple starting push, and being space, they would continue this velocity and be loosely pulled by the gravity of the target ship.
That whole "magentic" argument doesn't even make any sense. If they magnetic they would all just attach to each other in a big clunk, but that's not what happens in the film is it. Bombers my ass. So now this film's logic consists of ships flying into a forcefield with no visual representation of how that occured, ships in hyperdrive that bounce of each other like a pinball machine instead of just slicing through them, gravity and oxygen in space and now magic fairy bombs. Well done, Rian.
The ship has gravity, so when they drop in the ship they have gravity, and when they leave the ship they carry on because that's how space physics work. I dont get how people criticize bombs but dont point out how a star fighter can have their engines on all the time and dont reach infinitely increasing speed and then turn around without having to burn for 5 minutes
@@bonzomcdrumcat4989 That would be great if a) that was mentioned anywhere in the film and b) if the post-movie plot-hole-fillers - i mean, books - didnt already say they were magnetic. Which is just stupid. It's a magnet strong enough to be attracted to a target ship, but not the hull of the bomber itself? Rian wanted his WWII bomber moment. Ok, cool. Lucas used WWII dogfights as inspiration for how the ships would move and fight. The difference is that no one is seriously looking at the starfighter combat and whining that it isnt realistic enough. We're willing to accept that this is the rule of this universe, space battles play out a bit like WWII dogfights, ok, to everyone who isnt a pedantic prick, thats not a huge thing to accept. It's a much harder sell to tell people that existing bombers have now been replaced by ineffective death traps, and that space is now basically a two dimensional field and that we've regressed from advanced missiles to unguided gravity bombs.
Why don't they point their bomb bay towards the target and release the payload frontally instead of needing to hover the target? After all, a single bomber's load killed the Dreadnought - they could have launched a moving minefield against their whole fleet instead of killing themselves.
Why not lunch the attack from above the ship they are trying to bomb. Have the bombers pull up and release the payload when they reach the "minimum distance". I'm not trying to defend these ships but space is 3D!
because the bombs hit the reactor of the dreadnaught, that is the only reason they destroyed that ship, what irks me more is when they try to justify pulling up Poe by saying that those bombers and crews were an expensive loss, hmm, lets take the cost of the dreadnaught and its crew and ancillary staff and all its payload, the squadron of Ties, pilots, stormtrooper contingent, the fact it was used to erase cities from orbit.... so basically 53,000 officers, 140,000 enlisted personnel, and 22,000 stormtroopers and a monster of a ship. Compare that to losing 20 bombers...... I personally think i would be ordering those ships in every single time.
Funny enough old X wing and Tie fighter games use this logic when we use proton bombs. They are big can launch and move very slowly in a straight line, so just approach in vertically from above capital ships and shoot it straight ahead
Or even better - remove bombs and put there proton torpedoes! Mine field has two weak points: mines are slow and the entire field can be pre-exploded with single shot in one bomb if unlucky. So why just not putting straight-forward torpedo launchers? Just imagine a valley of doom launched from a couple armored bombers - boom, enemy ship is having a really bad time/is destroyed. This would make these ships so much better.
Y-Wings are fairly slow. Using the old TIE Fighter game as a reference, they were the easiest Rebel ships to destroy. B-Wings came in second, then X-Wings, then the infernal A-Wings, which were nigh unhittable. That said, Y-Wings would fly rings around the idiotic bombers in TLJ.
Star destroyers sitting around doing nothing. Po flies up next to them to have a conversation. Then leisurely flies around shooting turrets. This is such mediocre writing.
Oh no - you don't understand. See, he's the greatest pilot in the galaxy. We know this because when he does stuff that other people die doing, he doesn't die.
@@WalterLiddy Kindly the misunderstanding is all yours. If you've ever seen A New Hope you may recall the assault on the Death Star. No time for curtsies and tea time conversation . The stakes of life and death were real, where speed and timing were paramount. That was what made SW a phenomenal hit in 1977. And a phenomenal hit in 2017 is not what we subsequently got.
Each of those capital ships has it's own bunch of fighters it could deploy. NONE of them decided to do so even when those stupid bombers showed up. Also, Poe would have and SHOULD have been killed immediately upon flying up to the ship to start trolling.
algogy and torpedo bombers, despite their slow speed/lack of maneuverability, still flew low enough that camouflage actually was a legitimate tactic, these b-sf17s are painted white. Incredibly obvious on top of their already terrible stats. Oh, and they can be shot at by turbolasers as well as point defence lasers, so Poe’s plan was flawed from the beginning.
My favourite detail is that Rian is just ripping dialogue from ww2 footage/movies with no idea what it means. "Tight formation" isn't used for bombers, it's used for fighters - and it's a temporary group-up to allow a more complex maneuver; you wouldn't have fighters remain "tight" for any real length of time.
I mean bombers used a tight formation too. It was safer that way, but once set upon by enemy fighters, they’d fan out to allow the gunners better field of fire, while minimizing damage from a shot down plane hitting someone else. This movie showed us exactly why. So one tie fighter wouldn’t take out 3 bombers without even meaning to. It’s just stupid.
Hey, I’m your resident aircraft dork, and while you’re basically completely right, WW2 bombers did use tight formations as it gave them better and mutual coverage from all the bombers guns against enemy fighters. Fighters themselves only fly tight formation outside of combat, as when in combat a sort of combat spread has usually been more effective, with fighters anywhere from half a mile to multiple miles apart until engagement
Fun fact: this bomber carries 1000 bombs, an Y wing can carry 20 What’s my point? They seriously replaced 50 really good spaceships for this space coffin?
To be fair, they may not have 50 pilots to fly all those Y wings. Leia was pissed at losing 12 bomber crews. Granted, if all they are doing is flying straight, level, and dropping bombs at a specific point in time, why not just use droids, right?
That's a common strategy in the star wars universe. Putting all your resources in a few very large ships to create a huge single point of failure. The death star in episode 4 had the same issue. They could have built 10000 star destroyers and spread them all across the galaxy. But no they have built a huge ball that could be destroyed by a few x wings instead. So then in episode 6 they did the same mistake again to then repeat it in episode 7. So in episode 8 the good guys fell for the trick and thought this was a good thing to do. Put all you resources in a few expensive weapons to concentrate your risk at one point.
@@0815Snickersboy They already had thousand of Star destroyers tho, the Death Star wasn’t all of their resources. That’s why the empire didn’t immediately collapse after the first Death Star exploded. Tbh, the empire would probably be still going strong and be able to build a third Death Star if the Emperor hadn’t died in the destruction of the second one.
yea they were very very effective the flying bomb. Lets see them write V-2 Rocket in the next movie and call it RV2 it sounds like a driod but why the hell not
Or they don´t understand what Star Wars is about or they are just paid to write good shit on the internet. Just look at the IMDB score. It was very high when this movie released and still is way to high. It´s all fake.
Kamikaze with hyperdrive is OP. They never should have added that possibility to the mythos. Now you can just have hyperdrive bombs driven by droids (which we know already can be pilots). The death stars or even that planet base gun could have been taken out with precision hyperdrive drone bombs. For the resource-strapped first order or republic/rebellion this should have been an obvious choice at all times. Hyperdrive suicide ships could be made from junk heaps out of scrap yards which wouldn't otherwise be useful, and which cost next to nothing compared to modern combat vessels.
And then JJ retcons it right back out of existence in the next movie by having Po say, "Come on. That shot was one in a million." So now, Hyperspace Hulk Smash is no longer possible. Also, remember in TLJ when Holdo berates Po saying, "you have bet the survival of the Resistance on bad odds and put us all at risk?" Well, thanks to JJ's retcon, Holdo was about to perform a maneuver that had a one-in-a-million chance of succeeding. How's THAT for "bad odds?" lol.
@@KneelB4Bacon 1 in a million? Oh no, now they have to have the cheap ships be in contact with the target before they blow it to smithereens. Wonder why the empire never used hyperspace as their planet destroyer?
@@yodumb5864 He has no imagination everyone round him pats him on the back and say good work here have a cookie. We all know he sucks at story telling and greatly lacks creativity because those are the ugliest spaceships I have ever seen. Heard from somewhere that he stole those designs from a guy who was working on a space rpg. There's some proof because guy who made those models says that you can even see the stands that keep the game pieces on the board still attached to the ships in the movie.
What do you expect from a movie that had Leia going EVA in her lounging around clothes? There are no words for this film that accurately describe its enormous amount clusterfuckery. I literally hate Johnson and Kennedy. 😠
Rian Johnson isn't complete garbage at what he does. He directed some of the Season 5 Breaking Bad episodes (I think). But, yeah, his job in the Last Jedi was sub-par, to say the least.
1. The bombs look like they're free-falling and not accelerating as they should, if they were magnetic. 2. Magnets only work from *very short* distances. 3. If the bombs are magnetic, why didn't they attract each other and explode right after being "dropped"? 4. If the bombs are magnetic, that surely should've affected the way they're attached to and released from the bombers, who are also presumably metal? Instead they're rattling about in their cartidges even after being "activated".. 5. I shouldn't be bothering with this dumbass popcorn movie.
@Tom Arrow But how are the higher-flying magnets getting magnetized to the ships sufrace in the first place? Between them and the ship are dozens of other magnets.
He's wrong here. If something is possible, then it is therefore, logical. (possible (p)→possible (p)), which is tautological, and basically the law of identity. The word he should have used was *rational*, which while similar, is not synonymous with "logical."
Laws in formal logic don’t necessarily coincide with fundamental logic. I may have worded that wrong, but essentially what I mean is, logical means that something is sound of reasoning or can be interpreted as “according to the rules of logic”(yes, I did look that up) but in the context in which he used the word “logical” it is almost undeniably not the latter. Something being possible does not mean that it is sound of reasoning. And example would be: I CAN attempt to murder, but I’m not going to because I have no reason. You cannot say that because (X)->then (X). Edit: you can by the law of identity but once again, you’re interpreting it as something different. Not everything is ruled by mathematical logic.
@@michellesarniske8647 It could be argued that I was being pedantic; however, I think my suggestion of using "rational" in place of "logical" is an improvement, however minor. People (myself sometimes included) tend to throw around words like "rational, logical, proof, theory," and other such terms without using modifiers. This detracts from their arguments, opinions, or other general comments. "Logic" itself, is nothing more than the study of valid inference, whether mathematical or procedural. As to your example, please note that I am not saying that if possible (X), then (X). I am saying that if possible (X), then possible (X). What is, is. What's possible, is possible. I am taking no position on if (X) is *plausible*. Reason is defined as using known facts to arrive at new facts. So while it may be possible to murder, one could come to the conclusion that (I should not murder) because a) it's immoral ('murder' is defined as an unjustifiable killing, and therefore it's logically impossible for me to "morally" murder someone) b) the consequences would be dire and c) the attempt could fail. That's using known facts to arrive at new facts. As such, it would be better to say Is it possible for me to dislike this video? Yes. Would it be [rational] to do so? Of course not. I hope I made myself clear.
Actually they didn't... because to force the "even the weakest dork nobody can become a hero" lame bullshit down kids throats (which is the whole purpose of this trilogy), the stronger sister had to die so it could inspire her nobody dork sister to become a hero and save one of the main characters... because "love triumphs against hate" kid of bullshit... + to become his love interest, because romance it's a crap that has to be in any generic audience movie so it makes the sentimental portion of the women audience feel satisfied when exiting the theater. It's just another tick in the usual Hollywood's cliché checkbox. Every step of the movie is to prove that initial point. That's why Rey's parents are irrelevant, because you don't have to be descendant from a strong Force character, you don't have to be someone of status. You can be the poorest piece of garbage in the galaxy and still be strong (bonus if you're also "... with the force") and go out there fight evil. That's why the Resistance will thrive now... because poor bastard slaves will now feel inspired to overcome the oppression and whatever. It's all about the old "hope" factor... Long story short: this is the overused plot of weak becomes strong against evil, which is relatable to the common folk out there. And what did these 2 movies (so far) did for the Star Wars story franchise? Absolutely nothing. It was a rehash from the previous SW movies (specially the original 3) and that makes them nothing more than "nostalgia fan service".... specially Force Awakens, god, that was shameless copy-paste to make old fans go into hyper ventilation mode after so many years. And the next one probably won't do much more than that. Rogue One was the only proper SW movie recently and is still was about old loose ends. At least it did it properly. Solo was just stupid and a fan "compensation" for the death of Han in Force Awakens nobody asked for... and when they did it, they failed miserably. Obi-Wan with Ewan McGregor was the one people wanted, but if it would to be made like Solo... well, I guess we dodged a bullet... Star Wars has an entire galaxy of stories to tell, and there's plenty of other things people want to see, they want new Star Wars. Can't wait for this Skywalker story to be finally over... If they plan on doing something with Obi-Wan/Ewan, better be a TV/streaming show, because the movie standards are just too limiting to make good non-generic material.
I was watching this scene and the only thing I could think was, “Don’t destroyers have guns on them? I why not just use them?” And also, any ship, or plane, or anything, that has a 100% casualty rate is NOT WELL DESIGNED!!! They should’ve at least had some sort of shield system to justify the bulky size and slow movement, but no let’s just make the payload twice the ship size, place the bombs right on the walls with no room between them, make the bomb holders loose enough so that they can bang into each other before being deployed, AND, ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, NO SHIELDING!!!!!
@@Bollibompa no but people clearly have an obsession with attacking this film, and feel the need to harass anyone who liked it. (Note: They did not do the same thing to those who liked The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones, both terrible films with horrific CGI in Attack) I'm neutral, but that is incredibly fucking obvious.
Prior to the bombers, you had Poe delaying the enemy fleet with a prank phone call. Within the first 5 mins of the film, Rian Johnson broke Star Wars. Plus all the protagonists are sitting in a time out, taking back seats to supporting characters, during 89% of the movie.
For the whole “the bombs are magnetic” argument, riddle me this Why didn’t they stick to the ship itself or each other. All magnets have a + and - magnetic pull, so surely they would attract each other.
Even if we ignore the fact that those ships are a big group of ships full of metals and also assume that the ships are made of non-ferromagnetic materials.
8:07 I like how all the gunners on the bombers are also facing the wrong way. To be honest though, the arcing laser shots bothered me more than the bombers. Not once in any other Star Wars movie have lasers behaved that way.
@@alestiiidaeno_last3075 They still wouldn't have arced like that. There's no significant amount of gravity to cause a trajectory like that, ESPECIALLY if they were laser shots.
Man, the arcing laser shots blow my balls off everytime i look at them. I just hate them, they are so stupidly illogical it amaze me how they could think that...
First of: turbolasers use plasma bolts, the gas is charged by lasers, which actually makes sense. Now, you COULD argue that an electromagnetic trail allows the bolt to arch... BUT THAT IS STUPIDLY CONVOLUTED and out of universe in star wars, like, they dont fit at all. Moreover, why do 30+ ships not fire on the ships? They are in range and can pummel that ship to dust in a seconds with 30.000 cannons total.
Arms dealer: “That? That’s a ‘Y-Wing.’ It’s fast, can travel in hyperspace, is armed with blasters, can launch proton torpedoes, and ion torpedoes. It can be also be armed with a wide variety of guided missiles. In addition they can be adapted for other kinds of torpedos. It has been a proven model for years. That? *That* is the new bomber. We recommended it since...”
@@Bothandle70 To be fair, AT-ATs were built as a heavily-armored terror weapon, their purpose was to terrify the average plebian into not using their bigger-than-average blaster rifle against the military police who had the gall to throw them out of their favorite bar.
@@Bothandle70 You just described every castmate assault gun deployed in WW2 with the exception of the walking part, yet those assault guns were reckoned to be one of the most cost effective designs of the war.
That's another thing that bugs me. When Rey is using the turret to destroy the TIE Fighters and she gives an "Whoo, I like this." They have everyone do that whenever they do something we haven't seen them do. Not something we haven't seen. Just something we haven't seen them do. Rey likes shooting the gun. In Force Awakens Poe gets all excited at how fast a TIE Fighter can go...then again in Last Jedi when his X-Wing has that booster rocket. Finn gets excited shooting TIE Fighters multiple times and really just says "WHOO" at almost anything he sees. Han is inexplicably using Chewie's Bowcaster for the first time and actually turns to him and says he likes it which makes me absolutely crazy. Why do they always have to draw out attention to the fact they're doing a new thing and they're happy about it. This kind of technology is common place in Star Wars. Why are they always shouting their excitement for things that should be old hat by then?
Layne Bonham to answer your question it targets what to drop its payload on to. Yes it’s dumb sci-fi tech that can never exist , but that’s what’s fun about Star Wars. We didn’t care when people used laser swords or moon size lasers, so why should we care if the ship in the movie for six minutes in not very practical.
@@laynebonham3968 I think this is a valid point, the "magnetic bombs" would stick to the insides of the bay. @ Aryan Sadat You are right as well, magnetes will attract, if unequal polarisation is turned towards each other, and they will repel, if equal polarisation is turned towards each other. What is the problem with that? -> How to realise this! 1. My assumption is, the polarisation of the bombs is static -> everything else is impractical 2. The inside walls of the bay need to have the oppisite polarisation of the bombs, whichever side they face. -> What is the problem with that? The bombs are dropped in rows (according to footage)in free fall , meaning you can have the oppisite polarisation to the side of the bomb, but nothing prevents the bomb/bombs from spinning in mid-air, while traveling down! So it will stick to side! 3. The bomberbay has 4 sides, but you can have only two polarisations! -> If two sides are without polarisation, the magnetic bombs will stick to it either way! ----> Possible Solution: There needs to be a rotating highenergy, magnetic field, with high frequency. It needs to be strong enough to have an influence on the bombs! remember: magnetic force is normally really strong over short distances, and really weak over long distances! It needs to be rotating with a high frequency, otherwise the bombs get just juggled around and smashed to the walls, which is asking for disaster! ----> How can you do that? -> you could induce an highenergy field via high voltage and make it rotate (with a spinnig cylinder made out of conducting material inside that bomberway walls? Oo) -> I wonder, wouldn´t it be really dangerous(due to high voltage) to be inside the bomberbay whenever the field is on? Rose´s Sister WTF? XD -> This technology would be extremely energyconsuming and therefore costinefficient, because this bomber with this much of expensive technology and material would be blown to pieces in, I assume, 9/10 times LOL 4. There is no magnetic field present in bomberbay, therefore the bombs can´t be magnetic!!! -----> Due to my explenation, that there needs to be an rotating magnetic field, to make "magnetic bombs" work at all, we would see a phenomenom, that we don´t see in movie. --------------------> Because of the rotating magnetic field, and due to lining up to the constantly changing magnetic field, the BOMBS WOULD ROTATE in midair while falling down, either in a straight line, or in a slight spiral! We don´t see anything like this. The explanation "magnetic bombs" makes no sense in this movie. If you want to make this explanation work in the movie, just show us the consequences, that come together with the explanation/technology! If you don´t, you are just lazy, RYAN!!!! If we don´t see it, we think :" bullshit!", because most of us have at least an intuitive understanding of physics. If you don´t take this into consideration, RYAN!, you will have to anticipate even more backlash in your next movies :)
crystalier And it took fifteen of the Star Fortresses to blow up a single Dreadnaught. (Let’s not neglect to mention, that all three Y-Wings survived, but not a single Star Fortress made it back.)
@@dr.vanilla9017 Shit, the Best weopon would've been modernized Y-Wings (obviously modernized as the original model is still from the Clone wars and the modernized Version from the originals would be totally outdated again. X-Wings were modernized as well, so it seems to be no problem)
Y wing is small starship if resistance use y wing it will not make sense resistance bomber contain 1000 bomb to destroy first order star destroyer or dreadnought not y wing bruh
They always use the same excuse everytime we point out something obviously wrong. “Oh it’s about space wizard and laser swords but apparently THAT(insert problem we talking about) is unrealistic”
This could've been easily fixed with some minor reworks to the battle and an off line to explain why they are using such a terrible bomber. Something like: Resistance fighter one: "Are those star fortresses? what are those deathtraps gonna do?" Resistance fighter two: "They'll have to do something because they're the only thing we have!" just a simple exchange like that would explain that everyone knows the bombers are terrible, but they are using them because they are so desperate for ships that they will take anything that flies.
@@Payload82 have to consider there are unlikely any y wings left in significant number, they where only built in thr clone wars and not many built afterwards. b wings as few of those they built would have been more likely bomber of the era.
@@Novaphaux1984 well there’s a new model of Y-Wing that Zorii flies in IX, but it makes sense that they weren’t on hand above D’Qar. But the Resistance’s situation makes it pretty self-evident that these shit numbers are the best they have on hand. It might’ve slowed down the movie if they tried to spell this out in dialogue. But I think a bit of lampshading on the Resistance’s part would’ve been funny and informative.
Another detail to add: Show us that those rich arms dealers in Canto Bight are only providing ships and weapons to the First Order. The New Republic with their restrictions are hurting their business, so those rich dealers want the First Order to succeed. This is why the First Order has entire fleets of new state-of-the-art weapons while the Resistance is chugging along with antiques and scraps. This would also give Finn and Rose something interesting to do in Canto Bight: like maybe kick off a major revolt that results in them capturing/taking out those arms dealers and war profiteers, and hurting the First Order in an unexpected way.
If the ships were rotated 90 degrees so the drop bay pointed forward, and they fired the payload out like a giant load of explosive space buckshot, they would make infinitely more sense without completely redesigning them.
It's SPACE! They could have driven the ship that way, being more narrow than wide, and flipped it upside down right at the target! No sense of 3D maneuverability. Every SPACE craft moves like a Airplane on a planet.
That... Makes perfect sense. It reminds me of like a pirate ship firing all cannons Don't get me wrong. The design is horrible, and the CIS had better ships
You're listening to the wrong people. Those bombs fell whilst inside a gravitational field obviously generated by the ship. Now, you can't SEE this thing, so it looks like, there's just space RIGHT there OMG SHE's IN SPACEEE, THEY'RE SO STUPID HOW IS SHE ALIVE" She was at the bottom of the stairs, breathing normally etc. So there was obviously gravity inside that bay, Just because you couldn't see a force field to show where the gravity stops, what does that mean? Well, nothing. Look at the original movies, on multiple occasions in the original movies,m such as when palpatine arrives on the first death star, he lands in the hangar, and speaks to vadar, you can clearly see, that ship he was on flew through what appeared to be just a big wide open black entrance. With no masks on etc. Meaning what? Meaning that hangar was using some kind of force field that was generating gravity and air. But you can't see anything over that door can you? So obviously the same thing was happening here she was breathing and ok, so they'd obviusly thought we understoof that just because there's no Blue forcefield or something there, that obviousloy the ship, like other ships in the universe we've seen still have them, you just can't see them. So what does that mean aboput the bombs? Welp, if SHE could fall down really fast and KO herself, Then the bombs could fall right? as they were also in the ships fake gravity field it generated. So now it's easy, with the conservation of momentum theory, obviously, whatever speed those bombs were traveling when they left the gravity field of the ship, they would keep that exact same amount of speed for eternity if nothing was in the way. And thats the truth it's actually embarrassing how many people, i think it's like 95% who think that JUST because there's nothing to show that there's something generating gravity inside the bomb bay of that ship EVEN THOUGH there's a f*cking Ladder there for people to climb down, and manually drop bombs, they MUST be just in open space then?? Again, Other ships in the original star wars films didn't show anything guarding doors out to black space And lastly. About the "ERRRR Her ship flew through snokes ship in lightspeed"""" That is SO retarded, why don't they make bombs with droids blah blah. Thats because these idiots ALL believe (because someone said it and they listened) that during lightspeed/hyperspace, the ship SOMEHOW goes out of existance, goes into some kind of wormhole or something, and then just appears on the other side., When we can clearly hear Han Saying in the first movie "Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" .. so how do you fly THROUGH a Star, if you're not actually travelling in space but a wormhole, and why can you fly through a star and get killed, but not a ship? ffs
@Kiko Frías Tenza They would still stick to the ship? What the fuck would move them away if it wasn't for the magnet? They have no rocket system to boost them away.
@Kiko Frías Tenza What pushes the bombs down again? In the film they just drop as if there's gravity, just like the shots from Snoke's ship's main gun. The gravity inside of the dreadnought doesn't extend out like that, or those resistance ships would simply fall.
It WORKS with the OT because well… it’s a fascist empire, not much advancement would actually happen, and of course tech is not prioritised. It does not work when it is a good few decades after the OT and the government isn’t suppressing everything.
The people who made this movie obviously haven't played rogue squadron II. Star destroyers aren't helpless against small ships, especially ones flying slow.
i take it that you liked this movie... to each his own. My point is that large craft don't only have large turbolaser batteries that are specifically for targeting larger ships. Most ships have anti fighter turrets to give some defence against smaller craft. If you watched rogue one, which i assume you have, then you should know that a fair amount of fighters were shot down with turrets through out the movie. So even if poe was a more effective combat unit than red gold and blue squadron put together, the bombers should have still met some form of defence. Not to mention if a tie fighter decided to take one for the team.
@@gameboyn64 no the movie is bad, you just didn't watch the movie. Poe dameron destroyed the anti-spacecraft turrets. That's why I say you did not watch the movie, you wouldn't know that and thus your critism didn't matter.
The thing is that i did see the movie. I saw it at the amc theater in woodenville wa. I know poe took out all the large batteries in the span of about a minute and that dispite 30+ tie fighters being deployed only 3 decided to target poe. My point is why the dreadnaught had no light anti fighter turrets. You know turrets that are not bigger than an x wing. The reason that i don't consider the batteries in the dreadnaught anti fighter turrets is because they are so big, they would probably one shot small freighters. If you rewatch return of the Jedi, the surface of the death star and the executor are covered in small turrets. In a single frame of the death star surface during the death star assault, i can easily count at least 7 turrets on screen. The fact that these don't exist on the dreadnaught is ether the writers purposefully giving the first order a handicap or that the writers don't know anything about the medium they are writing about.
@@gameboyn64 he destroyed all the turrets, that's it. They had to send out tie fighters because they had no remaining turrets. That's all that was expressed, your just making stuff up now.
Pro Tip: When your design inspiration is clearly based off the WW2 era B-17, (even going so far as to have the name Star Fortress) at least give it the defensive weaponry and durability the old Flying Fortress was famous for.
and look what happened in the movie, its an out dated tactic and would work only in our universe. bombing runs are made fast and efficiently, these slow ass bomber couldn't possibly match up to a y wing. the concept and idea of it is interesting because i love war history, when an old war tactic is used in a futuristic movie such as star wars, the whole idea of futuristic is killed off just like those bombers we see in the film.
@@Shawnmiller1903 Didn't Flying Fortresses also have the ability to fly at a much higher level than the one Axis fighters could reach too or was that a different WW2 bomber? That would be another reason why these monstrosities are useless in space.
WW2 heavy bombers used tight formations to maximize the effectiveness of their onboard defensive machine guns by concentrating fire and to coordinate bomb release. Neither seems to apply in TLJ.
True! Tight formations to give each other fire support. To have more defensive capabilities than alone. Either do that, design a Fighter/Bomber that can drop smaller amounts but hold itself in a dogfight, or go for the invisible approach of either being, well, invisible, or just too fast to be spotted before they got hit. the B-17 in WW2 was the first: Many planes with many defensive MGs. Something like the F/A-18 is the second: A fighter that can also drop stuff. The B2 is one of the latter. I'ts designed to be fast and hidden against rader. Go in, drop stuff, go out, before the enemy can react.
The biggest problem with the bombers to me was their release mechanism. It was a single remote that was next to the pilot and not the person arming the bombs. There was no backup way to release them. Also the remote was not attached with a cable or alternative safety feature to prevent it from falling of the ship
Not to worry, even if it falls out of the ship and out of reach, you can still reach out and grab it... somehow... Thumbtanic did it first. watch?v=-Jvk-0v1C_8&feature=youtu.be&t=653
@6Q4 Ninja the whole falling bombs thing didn't really bother me until this video, when I learned they are magnetic. Wouldn't they stick to the bomber once it released then? Unless the bombs magnetism turn on later, but then why do they have to be armed in advance if magnetism only turns on later. But that's just a minor nickpick
@6Q4 Ninja Why are they even using manned bombers in the first place when a hunk of metal with a hyperdrive is so effective at taking out ships, as demonstrated by the Holdo maneuver? That's a whole new can of worms.
Sokaras that’s how you know it was stupid and based on WWII tech when there was someone to activate the bomb bay. Today the pilot does both, hell we have smart bombs that can alter its own trajectories. In star wars I guess they reverted to classic cannonball bombs from the fucking civil war.
Who else thought that the movie was going to be bad since the first stupid dad joke of Poe at the beginning, i remember sitting at the theater and literally saying, “i have a bad feeling about this”
Yep. And when I saw Ade Edmondson I was half expecting a CGI Rik Mayall to jump out of nowhere and whack him around the head with a frying pan, al la Bottom. Wouldn't have been any worse than the 'humour' they treated us to for the rest of this shit-show of a SW film to be honest.
Yeah, so I had a couple of drinks so I could really get lost in the moment and enjoy the movie. Nope. I was painfully aware of all the bad humor and "screw you" reveals and decisions, and even getting up to use the restroom to skip Canto Byte, I was still in disbelief. My friend turns to me after it's all over, and say... "Was it...too funny? What did I just watch?"
So, let's make a resume... They made a slow moving transport filled to the brim with explosives, decided to make it a "flying fortress" (despite being what a cruiser should be, a litteral flying fortress), so with turrets, making it even heavier and pointless (Let's make a ship big enough to be easy to kill, but small enough to force to use weak turrets), and they decide to keep them in a tight formation when the enemy could simply launch 2/3 missiles inside to kill them all? And they decided that instead of making said ships harder to kill by adding a small shield generator, they added a hyperdrive, which is completely pointless for this kind of ship, knowing they have to operate with a flagship? What's worst isn't this but the fact that the "dreadnought" didn't have a shield. Or they forgot to turn it on.
Also a y-wing is probably a third of the price, can actually move, and has a hyperdrive, plus being equipped with ion missile, which are 100x more effective than bombs against ships
THANK YOU! ive been making the "why did tech not change from OT to ST....shit changed big time between PT and OT" argument forever and no one has ever validated it before this video.
B 17 flying fortress, sf 17 star fortress... How original. This is like how rockstar names their vehicles in gta, the difference is it's intended in that situation.
Rian Johnson created some of the most major internal inconsistencies within the Star wars universe with his single movie. By allowing a ship's hyperdrive to be used as a ballistic weapon, that alone introduced an absolutely massive plot hole for the entire universe. We've seen incredibly small ships hyper equipped and droid controlled. This completely changes the landscape of warfare in the universe.
for real dude, whats the cost of one hyperdrive versus destroying a line of stardestroyers in a battle? hook one up to a random asteroid and line up your shot and take out at LEAST two of the fuckers lol, such shit
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 lol, ill do you one better! smack a ship into the sheild generator on endor and one into the deathstar *roll ccredits* lmao so bad
But is does make complete sence. The faster an object is tue greater its impact. Sooooo what do you think would happeb if something crashed into you close to light speed.
@@myfairlady343 I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, I'm saying that it introduced major problems. It essentially levels the playing field for any group that can get it's hand on a hyper capable ship. Why is any battle fought with anything other than remote operated hyper capable ballistic weapons? Literally just strap a hyperdrive to a rock and you would be able to destroy just about anything with a good hit. It's like making a nuclear weapon as easily accessible as getting running water.
If Y Wings are slow then these are stationary. Also going by films the survival rate is better on Y Wings because out of all the times we have seen these bombers (once) they all died. Hell the one successful one blew up from a chain reaction from successfully dropping the payload! At least y wings arent single use.
Ryan Wilson we only seen each bomber in a major role once, in a new hope and in the past Jedi. In a new hope all but one died without completing the mission. In a last jedi all the bombers died and achieved what they mission. Both ships have the same use just the resistance bomber is heavier with a bigger payload.
ThreeofaKind well the y wings in the battle of scarif where more supported then the resistance bomber. Also I’m not saying the y wing is a bad or useless ship. I’m saying that if you compare the resistance bomber to the y wing it comes out looking the same or even better.
8:46 : so you're telling me that this ship is a kamikaze one anyway, as the payload will damage it on explosion, has the capability to pull out the most effective kamikaze attack ever shown in a star wars movie, and chooses to creep slowly, losing most ships uselessly, and on success just sending a few low power bombs? wow, that makes so much sense! Or you could keep all but one in reserve, and send one as kamikaze...
The people who defend this movie are the same people who say “Oh my god, that’s how it works in real life! This film is so incredible and realistic!” And then when you point out how it’s flawed or unrealistic using their own example from the film, they say “Ugh, whatever, this is a film about space wizards, Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously! Man, no one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans.”
Anyone who liked and rated TLJ is a dick. Simple. A film made by dicks exclusively for dicks. Not going to IX. Plenty others not either. KK can shove it.
Not true it’s toxic to say people only like a movie just because, for instance I enjoyed because it had a more focused narrative than the force awakens, and the performances were solid, with many thrilling moments
@@colincinellareviews216 that movie had more (plot) holes than a Swiss cheese. All explained in great detail. But forgetting about the illogical story, the "thrilling moments" were so poorly acted, edited and choreographed that really took me out of the movie. Like the desappearing knife in one of the hands of the guard at snoke's room
It's SO depressing. The potential that the Star Wars story had... is completely destroyed. It could've been bigger and deeper than any story ever told. And now everything is meaningless. And these bombers are the perfect Metaphoric example of what this franchise has become. Nice video. You earned a new sub. 👍
Yeah I only acknowledge rogue one bc it doesn’t affect anything. That’s what they should’ve stayed to. I always ponder why in every instance the new trilogy creators decide “let’s make it worse”. Rey origin? Let’s make it pointless. Han and the princess relationship? Let’s make it pointless. Luke and his enhanced powers and legacy? Let’s make it pointless. Snoke? Let’s make him pointless. It goes on and on and on. Whenever they’re given two choices, awesome or pointless, they go with the shit option. It doesn’t upset me anymore bc I view it as non canon bullshit, but it is super disappointing bc they only get one shot at this. Carrie is gone and Han and Luke are dead. Fucking idiots man. Thank God we have the original trilogy with some prequels to mess with lol.
When I first saw ep. 7 & 8 I was thinking: did they let a Star Wars HATER make these films? On the good side ep. 1 - 3 now seem to be marvels in comparison...
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love the content mate glad youre growing
Like your British voice
@@dongxx sounds more like aussie
@@lucasart328 really ok
When you have more than 1k payload of bombs, which is what the mission needs in a small time frame like this, you sacrifice speed. In this type of mission I choose bombers over a ywing that only have a payload of 10 any day
Why are we nitpicking stuff like this in star wars? You know what other design looks old? Every ship after the the prequel's timeline. You know what design looks illogical? Millennium Falcon, deathstar.
You know what goes down in space for no reason in the past movies yet no one complained? A star destroyer after being defeated.
What's my point? SHUT UP AND STOP PRETENDING THIS IS A BIG DEAL!
Y-wings were obviously too effective for the plotline to handle.
Yeah, like fighter planes WITH bombs? But they are slightly slower than fighters? NO
2 OP pls nerf
X-83: am I a joke to you?
BTW, I recently found out they had the audacity to name these abominations "B/SF-17 Starfortress"
And it used "gravity bombs"
It's a knockoff shittier space version of a B-17 bomber with no onboard defenses.
They didn't even come up with an original name, really, they just ripped the idea out of history.
😂😂😂
@@stringer2295
Seriously, the rebellion OGs would have been like:
Oh what now, another slightly different star destroyer?
*Laughs in Gold Squadron*
"Bombers keep that tight formation..."
Loses three bombers to a wrecked TIE because of said formation
Pff... Resistance dumbasses.
Emiel Booth tlj resistance’s skill does NOT match the tfa’s resistance
They probably just threw that in to get her to say some tactical stuff
And what's worse is that they're in SPACE! They could easily attack the dreadnaught from ANY angle, but they choose the one trajectory that makes them the most vulnerable! And whatever happened to those cool Y-Wing bombers from the original trilogy? X-Wings are still around, so why couldn't the Y-Wings get brought back?
Space: has tons of room
Rebels: *tight formation*
Could you imagine if the Dreadnought just started backing up when the bombers approached? Lol
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Nooooo!
Beep beep beep
That would be hilarious.
FireBird Studios beep beep beep
They work magnetically in zero gravity using modified rail gun tech? Sure, so why not launch the bombs using that same tech except horizontally from 20km away instead of 50 feet away vertically?
It's funny because that's how the Y-wings work!!
@@nikotsapaliaris4919 wait really what is this movie
@@Data-Expungeded The last Jedi? Sorry I don't really understand what u are asking.
@@nikotsapaliaris4919 oh I mean like when someone says what is this in like a what the fuck
Even better. Fly really fast and fling them onto the enemy ship. Just slow enough so they don't get picked up by the shield.
I hate Disney... Its Course and Rough.....And Ruins everything
Yousa no ani
General kenobi you are a moron but this time you're right enjoy the feeling as much as you can because you will ever be right again
Me too
Correct u are
Yea disney ruined my life and star wars and everyone who works for disney should die because of the desing of this bomber
It wasn’t Poe’s fault that all the bombers were taken out. It was the resistance’s fault for picking bombers that moved slow as fucking slugs instead of the far more agile Y-Wings. Did they seriously think a sizable amount of those bombers could make a successful bombing run and return to the cruiser?
REALLY sad part. The y-wings at this point would be like 50+ years old! They were introduced during the clone wars. And even still those aging bombers would have performed better than the sh__ they used.
Like, in the movie we clearly see that if ANY of them reached their destination they are all doomed
You know the resistance was pore here right? This is all they had left.
@@jessegroen3792 then explain the thousands of ships that rushed to their aid at the end of the rise of Skywalker.
@@jessegroen3792 but they were funded by the government
"The bombs are magnetic."
Ok, so they should attach to the nearest metal object, right? Then they should attach to the bombers... Awesome design, 10/10 kamikaze pilots approve.
I think they were talking about rail gun type stuff, or Gauss guns. You know, electromagnetism pushes the bombs out, rather than the bomb itself being magnetic.
@@Smerpyderp i havent thought of it but then wouldnt the bombs crash with each other if that happens?
@@soupchewer9213 staged activation can be a thing.
@@Smerpyderp so why the hell would you design it to shoot 'down' instead of forward? You're in space, you have no benefit in 'dropping' them. A forward firing rail system has the advantage of range and greater penetration, as the projectile would continue to accelerate in null gravity (nothing is slowing it down), actually increasing it's effectiveness with range. And greater speed at point of impact equates to a greater release of potential energy, making them more effective
a forward firing configuration would give you better manuverability, since you just have to point the nose of the bomber at the target for a few seconds to launch the payload... you wouldn't have to slowly fly over a potentially moving target that probably doesn't want to make your job easy....
basically those bombers are designed to make life as difficult for their crews as possible, instead of taking advantage of the conditions of space combat to make themselves more effective. They're laughably slow and forced to get within suicide range to be of any use, however they're supposed to actually 'drop' their payload.
'magnetism' is a really shit answer to the problem Rian's laziness created. Star Wars needs to start hiring some actual professional science fiction writers if it actually wants to patch these plot holes. This is really basic knowledge to anyone who's read hard scifi.
The bombers are made of PLA right out of a giant 3D printer, so nothing magnetic. Makes perfect sense. Especially if you drink before thinking about it.
5 years later this movie still goes down as the biggest embarrassment in cinematic history.
Thanks Robot Head! May your head continue to be ever so robotic!
In 2015 fans were put inside a chrysalis of shock and disbelief. In 2017 the chrysalis hatched and fans were turned into a Zerg swarm. TLJ had the first Budlight effect. Toy stores became museums.
I beg to differ, Rings of Power has taken the number 1 spot., but SW is still a good 2nd.
rise of skywalker worse lol
Kind of a bit of a stretch there bud
2:12 made me realize that Jango could one-shot that resistance fleet with his seismic charges....
I forgot that was in the movie
Anyone could. There's a reason why in Ep 1 showed that what blockades are for, deny any ground in space. Then the ground invasion. There's also a reason why in Ep 5, the Rebels have to fire the ion cannon to disable the SD first before launching any transports. But Rian is so clever. Genius!
Raider325 That isn’t true. The shockwave is excellent at erasing fighters and lightly-armored units, but it struggles to punch through heavy shielding. The larger ships would shrug off the attack with little to no damage.
@@Aredel idk, seems like it did a pretty good job against those building sized asteroids. I know it's not the same as a shielded capital ship, but still.
King Pablo the shockwave is good against light armor, but it’s hard countered but medium-heavy shields because of it being a simple shockwave that won’t rattle the structural integrity of an energy shield.
The more you think about this movie the worst it becomes
Cole Schubert wrong
@@lnsullivan422 no. He's right.
Mfw people hate on things just to hate on them
@@lnsullivan422 no. They complain about bad decisions made. You have to talk about good things and also bad stuff. And this is not only bad, it's lazy, uncreative and bad.
Erebos Creativity is entirely subjective. Somewhere in the world of Planet Jacksonville, HelloGreedo is laughing.
"Bombers keep that tight formation." Yes thats what we need in a combat scenario all of our ships, that are packed with explosives, close enough that they can blow eachother up with debris from i one another.
I'm like fairly certain spacing is important even in a real life military scenario. You don't want to give the enemy a lot of chances to take out more than one of you if they have the chance to take something out. Also funny enough, we saw that happen in the movie why spacing is key.
Well if we look back to the last time bomber formations were ever really used on mass in aggression 1939-1945 you'll find that bombers usually flew in a close formation, mostly for overlapping fields of fire to mutually support each other in case of an attack on the formation.
Plus the bombs within the bombers exploding violently is silly... especially in anything past semi-modern bombs that have reliable safeties that require the bomb to be armed before it would detonate even if it gets hit by a stray round or piece of shrapnel,
then adding the reasonable assumption that in with all this fancy technology they have they'd of likely found even safer explosives to use in bombs.
not really defending the movie... the scene was a load of shit and could have been so much better.
@@barrycabbageM34 Curious, wouldn't those bombers be guarded by other attack planes possibly surrounding them? Wouldn't make sense for those bombers to be alone especially if those are the planes that will do some real damage and are meant to blow up bases or sadly at times, cities.
@@popo0129 Bombers flew in formations because that way the would have more firepower against an enemy attack (a B-17 had 5 turrets, usually .50cals, so more bombers = more turrets, and more bombers in a tight formation can form a "wall" of bullets).
Despite all that, most estrategic bomb runs were made with an escort of either P-51s or P-47s (American side that is) because enemy fighters and interceptors were a big threath even with 50 turrets to protect yourself. Also keep in mind that these bombings had especific targets, industry, cities, military zones, etc; and the aircaft aproached target at 5-6 km of altittude so that anti air artillery wouldn't be effective.
In the scenario the movie gives (some enemy ships aproaching allies) it would have been more efective to load a fighter with ordinance, something the US did during ww2 with almost all of it's fighters.
The situation the movie pressents is a military failure, I keep wondering why didn't the First Order just fire all the turrets they had at the slow and big ships that were aproaching them, it also makes no sense to send a ship clearly designed to be used in a controlled airspace in a head-up attack against not only a bigger fleet, but an enemy fleet that has variety such as fighters, interceptors and "anti-ship defenses"
@@sebastianvergara8332 Yeah that makes sense then. Never knew about the turrets bombers had, that seems like a pretty good solid defense against other planes attacking at least.
Yeah this scene had huge problems for me because these bombers did really have nothing for defense like turrets or possibly stronger armor against enemy fire. Just seemed like a giant disaster to happen which, it did end up being. Kind of feels like the writers just watched some scenes of military operations and just threw in stuff to make it sound more tactical and aimed more for visuals than something more logical. I can't remember the scene very well but I feel like one tactic that could have been done was getting most of their shits to attack the front then maybe a small fleet including the bombers flank from another position to bomb them. Even then though, those bombers are super slow so it feels like a vehicle you should just scrap all together lol.
There is no film-related sentiment I loathe more than, "This movie has (fantasy thing) in it, therefore nothing else in the story needs to be logical, grounded, or self-consistent."
And that's one thing I hate. I like writing fantasy because you don't really have to explain how everything works, but you need to maintain a level of consiatency with regards to stuff like magic
@@lordhellstrande7188 exactly, you don't need to explain how everything works as long as everything appears to work the same way. Consistency is key.
It's just the excuse for incompetent morons like ruin johnson to be lazy with their writing
@@lordhellstrande7188 That summarizes basically any criticism for the sequels! Like they’re just so inconsistent. Like ik Star Wars technology has been stagnant for thousands of years but stagnant doesn’t mean actually going backwards lol
How about the TIE Fighter being totally blind on the right and left sides?!
They're Actually : Why-Wings...
G'd I hate you; this is brilliant and it ruined Y-wings for me.
That plot twists got me surprise
The Y-Wing made sense tho. It was plasma bolts being projected forward
I mean, freaking Tea Wings would have been better than this.
LMFAO
The Clone Wars Era has always seemed more advanced than its successors. Both the Republic and Separatists were extremely innovative. And then there’s star killer base. Another Death Star that’s simply bigger. Oh boy, big surprise they were able to blow it up. It’s almost like I’ve seen that before, *twice*. Personally the newer movies lack originality, and where they do try and get original, they screw with lore.
The originals have the excuse of being filmed in the late 70s and early 80s. Also I’m imagining the clones watching this scene somewhere either laughing their arses off. Or cringing at what the hell is going on.
Having Starkiller Base be destroyed in the same way the first two Death Stars were was insane. 30 years later and they can’t fucking make it without a bullseye in the middle that doubles as a self-destruct button. It’s aggravatingly retarded
well it is a technology purely for war we are talking about here. It's logical that during pretty much the biggest galactic-scale conflict in the history both sides would have an arms-race and try to come up with the most destructive and powerfull war machines and ships. Just look at Malevolance for example. Hell it was one of the main topics of discussion in the republic senate at that time if they should sacrifice more budget for the war or not. It's just more needed in times of war.
During the Empire they didnt had to try anymore, they still did some cool shit from time to time but overall they mostly used the same technology they used in Clone Wars, if not worse ones to cheapen a mass prodcution. They didnt have to be creative anymore, The only real threats that were left to fight against were rebel cells that had very poor equipment and planets that are opposing the Imperial occupation. That's why pretty much all Clones seen Stormtroopers as inferior with their cheap armor, shit training that revolved around brain washing them into loyality and crappy blasters. Rex has no respect for them in Rebels, he even shows that despite being old he can take a fuckton of them without suffering a single scratch.
As for New Republic era, they demilitarized themselves so it COULD explain why the bombers here might infact be really fucking outdated pieces of technology, but dont take my word for it im basically writing fanfiction here, i just assume that those two things might be closely connected to each other.
All though if they are modern the holy fucking shit did Johnson even seen Clone Wars? Anakin Skywalker crashed an entire Cruiser into a separatist command, destroying the entire Ryloth blocade with just one empty ship. Separatists wanted to do something simular later in the war by sending a republic cruiser filled with fuel tanks into a meeting place for commanders and generals, and if they would succeed at detonating it in a right spot then everyone in that meeting place would be dead as fuck. AND STILL despite them failing to do that they managed to still take a few cruisers with them when it exploded too soon. God you can excuse the technology but you cant excuse the absolute stupidity of those grown ass people in the movie. It's just not excusable
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn the melavolence was fucking op I mean just have a buncj of those and to take out the ships and then send in ships with powerfull canons to destroy them
The first two series were made by men who love the universe they made. The latest series is made by feminine types who hate men and wanted to show why on film
How would those ships even be able to dock in the hanger?
If they would, they would probably dock at a wall like the tie fighters do. But they all died so why come up with an idea. This movie is just garbage
They crash
They don’t once you leave the hanger, you leave life
@@ManofElements but how were they IN the hanger in the first place
@@thatkeyboardgirlsha3442 woooosh
I was so disinterested in Last Jedi that I too wondered how these bomber ships worked. My biggest concern was that these ships are unbelievably unsafe. If one bomb went off, they'd all go off. And then it happened.
there are so many ships that could've filled this roll far better
Plus why didnt the bombs have failsafes, like irl ones have? Why risk carrying an unstable explosive into a battlefield where the main projectiles are superheated plasmabolts.
Or the fact that in the movie they appear to be unshielded
While i hated these trilogies i did appreciate the asthetic look of alot of the newer tech. I think these bombers were definately impracticle, but if they were faster and combined with a larger fleet would be useful. Like if they had more combined bombing strike capability, as they could be left in the rear until the rebel fleet got in close to distract enemy ships they could perhaps maneuver in above and jetison a full payload but ofcourse more like a firefighting plane drops its water on its target.
The bombers were stupid, carrying bombs that were full of stupid. And when the bombs exploded, a massive shockwave of stupidity was propagated through the rest of the movie, making it stupid, and irradiating the whole audience and lowering their collective IQ.
All of this “fan-splaining” is deeply ironic, considering that the writers were all so idiotic that they didn’t even think of how the bombers should work, or why they should even exist. It’s just insulting, really.
They also missed the chance to call the bombers T wings.
Yes, that was their original name too.
I think they should of been named L-Wings. Because they’re just a massive loss of credits.
@@verdant229 No, T-wings still suit them because they're *T* rash
But then the obvious joke would be "we just t-bagged that Star destroyer"
@@MariOmor1 oh shit BURN, BURN
Watching this film is like telling someone who’s never seen Star Wars everything about Star Wars and asking them to make a movie about Star Wars.
Pretty much exactly what happend Roundhead tweeted that he never grew up much of a star wars fan
Similar to the joke that Adam Driver looks like someone tried to draw Keanu Reeves from memory.
I wouldn't even say tell everything, since 'everything' would include the Y-wing and B-wing, both highly effective bombers. It's more like giving them a 100-word summary.
That's literally what happened. Like, you literally typed out The Last Jedi pitch meeting.
It's like the originals were actual food, and the Kennedy trilogy is vegan and gluten free.
“CAPTAIN! We have enemy bombers incoming”
“How long have we got!?”
“At that speed, a few days..”
“Oh..”
Great! That still gives us time for the Annual Snail Races, the Turtle Marathon, and even a cup of tea!
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 ARE WE BLIND ???? AIM ALL OUR CANONS ON THE BOMBER!, See it wasnt that hard now the galaxy is ours as I've also captured the resistance in a ray shield
@@ivandphantom9028 sir, the snails have taken down the bombers. They want a raise.
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 They're better than you lot so yes give them the raise
@@ivandphantom9028 umm... Sir... The snails are dead. Our french chef thought they were dinner and cooked them...
The space battle reminds me of when armies would just stand in lines and shoot each other.
I know its 3 months late but that actually makes sense though. This makes no sense at all even in star wars
British soldiers with muskets
True but unlike this movie there was a good reason for people to stand in line and shoot at each other.
@@iamsinistar8971 yes, and as soon as rifles got better with new technology, they stopped doing it!
Napoleon moment
George Lucas couldn't write a romantic dialogue even if he was listening to it but he could create a massive, believable world.
I don't know, I like the flirting in The Empire Strikes Back.
Joshua I hate sand it’s coarse and gets every where
@@katieshadowsong4665 For me, that's explainable. Anakin had never really talked to a girl. It's normal for him to be akward.
Joshua I mean yeah but he was also really creepy about it
Anor yeah but it makes some amount of sense because turbolasers have a range due to them just being energy so they’d have to get close at some point
I must say that this movie is impressive. Not because it’s good, but because I somehow still manage to find major problems every time I watch it.
All part of Disney's plan. You watch the movie in the cinema, and then buy the movie just to watch it multiple times. Car crash clips have more views than wedding videos.
Brand NEW major problems?
You can watch this shit several times?
You're listening to the wrong people. Those bombs fell whilst inside a gravitational field obviously generated by the ship. Now, you can't SEE this thing, so it looks like, there's just space RIGHT there OMG SHE's IN SPACEEE, THEY'RE SO STUPID HOW IS SHE ALIVE" She was at the bottom of the stairs, breathing normally etc. So there was obviously gravity inside that bay, Just because you couldn't see a force field to show where the gravity stops, what does that mean? Well, nothing. Look at the original movies, on multiple occasions in the original movies,m such as when palpatine arrives on the first death star, he lands in the hangar, and speaks to vadar, you can clearly see, that ship he was on flew through what appeared to be just a big wide open black entrance. With no masks on etc. Meaning what? Meaning that hangar was using some kind of force field that was generating gravity and air. But you can't see anything over that door can you?
So obviously the same thing was happening here she was breathing and ok, so they'd obviusly thought we understoof that just because there's no Blue forcefield or something there, that obviousloy the ship, like other ships in the universe we've seen still have them, you just can't see them.
So what does that mean aboput the bombs? Welp, if SHE could fall down really fast and KO herself, Then the bombs could fall right? as they were also in the ships fake gravity field it generated. So now it's easy, with the conservation of momentum theory, obviously, whatever speed those bombs were traveling when they left the gravity field of the ship, they would keep that exact same amount of speed for eternity if nothing was in the way. And thats the truth
it's actually embarrassing how many people, i think it's like 95% who think that JUST because there's nothing to show that there's something generating gravity inside the bomb bay of that ship EVEN THOUGH there's a f*cking Ladder there for people to climb down, and manually drop bombs, they MUST be just in open space then??
Again, Other ships in the original star wars films didn't show anything guarding doors out to black space
And lastly. About the "ERRRR Her ship flew through snokes ship in lightspeed"""" That is SO retarded, why don't they make bombs with droids blah blah. Thats because these idiots ALL believe (because someone said it and they listened) that during lightspeed/hyperspace, the ship SOMEHOW goes out of existance, goes into some kind of wormhole or something, and then just appears on the other side., When we can clearly hear Han Saying in the first movie "Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" .. so how do you fly THROUGH a Star, if you're not actually travelling in space but a wormhole, and why can you fly through a star and get killed, but not a ship? ffs
@@boogiestreet594 like the guy in the video said:
"it's not impossible, it's impractical"
For example the gymnastics you're doing to explain how it works shows how impractical it really is
It really does seem like technology in star wars is going backwards...
It feels like we only go bakwards, darling
Perzonic Fly warhammer 40k?
Lol the whole franchise is going backwards
@Ryan Allison Except even in the real world that isn't the case, war times have developed some of the best and most important inventions
@Ryan Allison The star wars universe has planets more resources available and real wars have been the cause of immense technological progress due to the arms race that war creates.
4 years later and i still cant wrap my head around "keep that tight formation". like, someone conciously wrote that, assumedly got it proofread, then got it approved for the script, then it was shot and edited, then published with the film, and nobody during that entire process took a moment to think "hmm, why ARE they keeping a tight formation while being swarmed by an enemy squadron? wouldn't that just make them easier to take out?".
see you put more thought into it during a single yt comment than the entire staff that produced the film. these movies were a shameless cash grab built on the back of the nostalgia and success of the previous movies.
During WW2 Heavy Bomber squadrons kept in formations so they could cover each other with their guns. Its such a blatant copy and paste of WW2 tactics 😂.
On the bomb, just write: "Hello there."
And 'Dear John'
I would bring out my squadron of B and Y wings and end the movie short if they don’t send a bomb that says “General Kenobi”
That would actually be a cute little Easter egg, but that would require Ryan to actually watch a Star Wars movie
General Kenobi
General Kenobi
"Captain, the bombers are approaching, what is your command?!"
"Try spinning, that's a good trick!"
"Bring me some popcorn and a chair. This will be fun to watch!"
"Aye Aye! Admiral!"
@@khosrowzare8301 *Dreadnought spins*
"Sir! The dreadnought is rolling over!"
'Well fuck, a whole ten minutes wasted."
*TIEs come in and hit mid-pack bomber only, causing a ricochet self-destruct*
Tie Pilot "And to think our ships were never **that** bad!"
The sad thing is, spinning probably would have worked.
Try just throw some random stuff at them, they have no abbility to avade this.
*Instantly gets a triple kill*
I just started watching the Clone Wars animated series and I have to say the story is much more well written than in these sequels. Even though they were meant for younger audiences, there's much more heart in those "cartoons" than in these huge colossals
The clone wars is on the extreme side of meant for kids. lol
@@blizzit1211 at the start TCW was meant for a younger audience. The stories, animation quality, characters were Childish with lessons for children to learn. It starts changing mid season 3 and by the end of Season 7 any age can enjoy it immensely
@@Thundertron5 True
It literally aired on cartoon network... duh it was made for a younger audience. Doesn't undermine a damn thing about them whatsoever though. They were created to enhance the prequels, and George was giving the green light all around. The guy that created Star Wars for kids. Of course they have heart! Along with that, they're chock-full of lore, character development and actual answers that fit into the overall tapestry of a story. Fuck Disney
"Meant for kids"
Flamethrower clone: What?
I think the people who defend those bombers forget one thing, one of the most important things in engineering: efficiency. The amount of wasted resources to make bombers like that work when there are other cheaper and more effective options.
Same goes for the Death Stars
cheaper and more effective options being Y-Wings.
Missiles. done
@@lordhellstrande7188 they were way to expensive. They were only there to bring fear to the galaxy, which failed. And since when is logic a theme in Star Wars anyway?
@@DeutscherPatrick the idea of a death star is to blow up 1 planet and keep the galaxy under control with fear, It is a good plan, at least in theory, but Palpatine had a massive boner for superweapons, Thrawn already told him that instead of making a death star they could build better tie fighters and more star destroyers to do the same work but better
This movie is the worst one ever done, but the bashing videos are masterpieces. This one is art.
Yes I never get tired of ripping this movie
Worst Star Wars movie, or movie in general?
@@RenTran1 Worst Star Wars. There are worse movies in general.
"the bashing videos are masterpieces. "
- This is the best they could come up with TWO VERSIONS OF HI
- Like ... THE GROUND
- A shaved orangutan would be more creative ...
- 3 ships that could actually get to their target ... and back again
OH shut up its not the best star wars movie but its a good movie
Magnetic mines would either clump together or repel each other and scattered depending on whether they are all different or the same polarity
No no, he has a point 😂👌🏻
They also wouldn't of "dropped" anywhere given the ship there in is also metal.
@@icer1249 "BuT iT hAs AnTi-MaGnEtIc MeTaL!"
@@icer1249 that's what I was thinking, I mean, how stupid can some people be
Lol what's stopping the bombs from connecting to the closest metal there is? (i.e your own fucking ship😂)
If they wanted a ww2 inspired bomber aircraft, what about taking inspiration from a naval torpedo bomber, like the TBF Avenger? You know, an aircraft DESIGNED to attack ships!
It's the fault of tactics. Big @$$ slow bombers (B-52) are still used, but only if your forces have air superiority, meaning the enemy can't do $#!+ to stop you. Otherwise, you use nimble multi-role craft or stealth bombers. It seems nobody at Disney thought to ask anyone with any knowledge to sanity check the plot.
Or even better the mosquito a plane that could have half a wing and engine gone and still fly at max speed faster than pretty much any fighter
@@lanefunai4714 I was thinking the same damn thing when I saw the movie. I'm no expert- I've only played games and seen war documentaries and the like- but even I knew it was a stupid idea.
It's even sadder that the very same X-wing starfighter in the service of the Resistance (and was flown by Poe in this exact scene) _actually carried torpedoes in the very first Star Wars movie._
I see your TBF Avenger and raise you a Swordfish Torpedo Bomber.
It would have even fit the desperate tone of the scene somewhat
Thank u for including the Jango Fett scene. The silence leading up to the detination then the sheer power of it will always give me goosebumps
"They're magnetic duh"
But... that's not how magnets work
Yeahh...and if the bombs are magnetic why when the bomber release them the bombs do not attract or repell each other? This movie is just bullshit!!!
Luca Lucente that may not be how magnets work on earth.. it could be different in other planets
@@Yoda-wf6bu yea explain how a magnet can work on different planets, it would literally be the same fucking thing.
Boat Cow but the laws of physics aren’t just a suggestion. Its an inescapable boundary. I know we’re talking about a movie where the space ships are as big as cities and they can go light speed, but we’re talking about stuff that we know about
Nah, the ships are made of paper so that the magnets don't stick onto them :)
Didn't we have self-propelled proton torpedoes in the other movies?
Why did we regress to dropping unguided marbles with vastly-reduced payloads on the enemy?
Because the enemy started to equip their CAPITAL ships with only a few point defense turrets on the top so a weapon that wouldn`t require you to fly slowly over the ship would make the fight really unfair duh.
When they stopped building explode me buttons massive bases that only take one shot and they need something with a lot more fire power
Because reasons
@WingedArchon Starwars has always been filled with stupidity, it's not something new.
Probably because the Resistance, much like the Rebels, are poor as fuck and use older, repurposed equipment because it's all they have? Took me 5 seconds to figure that one out.
5:02 "Look how happy she is. Everyone's about to die". She's a Palpatine, alright.
This comment is underrated 😂
Overrated
8:22 smiley bomb:(
"Half a tie fighter can take out three." For some reason I couldn't get enough of that line.
the funniest part about all this is that, in Lego Star Wars TSS, they're arguably the best ship in the game
@@dragonslayer7724 Ironic.
rotten tomatoes critic rating: 91 percent
rotten tomatoes audience rating: 41 percent
the agenda is clear
But then gave rise of Skywalker 52 percent. I wonder what was so different for them..
@@tumult04 it was clearly just a bad film
Rotten Tomatoes is so fucking out of touch
What? The. Heck? How did Episode 8 get such a high score? It's worse than trash. It's an abomination of the movie. At leas the audience rating is low. Honestly, the only reason I can come up with it getting such a high score is that it was rigged. Maybe Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy paid them off?
@@jamesm9789 RottenTomatoes can pick and choose which reviewers to add to their aggregate. For starters, the tendency of movie reviewers is to blindly champion anything that pushes certain politics. RottenTomatoes is fully on board with this-there's an article that talks about their endeavors to specifically add more reviewers who think that way, and they have made several conspicuously selective edits to review scores-so the result is what you get there. Metacritic is more reliable, in that they haven't done the extra legwork to find politically-driven reviewers the way RT has. This doesn't stop reviewers from being largely of that mind in the first place, but it does mean Metacritic's critic score is less deliberately skewed. See for yourself.
I genuinely believe that Rian Johnson had absolutely no idea what he was doing
He didn't, but he thought he did, that was the problem. He probably thinks he made the best Star Wars film to date, and it was a cinematic masterpiece.
@@DivineBloodline it was very pleasing to the eye however, very shit movie indeed
@Frithiof Mårtensson 8a yeah let's make something massive and slow completely unshielded despite Rebel ships being heavily shielded being established Canon. Oh and make it use bombs instead of proton torpedoes which were also established Canon.
He writes movies like he dresses himself. Lazy, sloppy, and wimpy.
Luckly JJ Abrams and Katheleen Kennedy did a great job!!
TFA was a masterpiece and TROS fixed everything RJ did!!
What I don't get is why....
Can't they just use torpedoes?
You mean like Y-Wings? Good Question.
Because that would make sense, and apparently Rian Johnson doesn't know what making sense is
maybe they just run out of them i dunno
Their technology is going backwards, so they can’t have them. 🙄
@Karel Šlaj they blew up the death star with torpedos so they definetly work
You can get around the problems of magnetic bombs by saying that they're mechanically pushed down on release, but it doesn't make it any more believable that anyone would even use a ship like this. You'd be better off dangling a proton bomb from a fighter and just cutting the line to fling it at the enemy.
Literally just Lego Star Wars
To everyone that’s like
The bombs are attracted with mAgNeTs
Why don’t they stick to the actual bombers
Or each other
@@ElectromagNick well an actual logical physics-based answer there would be that all the bombs and the ship would have the same type of charge so they'd repel each other. The ship having a larger and stronger field should push all of them away even as the lower ones start pushing back against the bombs above them. But this explanation also doesn't work because all of the bombs dropped straight down and in a system with only repelling forces the bombs would start spreading out instead of dropping in a straight line. They were better off saying the bombs were gravity-based because gravity still works but to a lesser extent while a planet is underneath you.
I think the (dumb) answer is it's like a rail gun style thingo, propelling the bombs.... just super fucking slowly. So still not logical.
It's not magnets, just gravity.
@@lucasoheyze4597 If that is so, the Supremacy wouldn't have the mass to attract the bombs with any reliable speed.
Even if the argument was "they had to slip under the shields to bomb it" Y-wings were purpose built exactly for that role
haha proton torpedo go boom
Also, rather certain that with only a few modifications to the Y-Wing, it could fire those ridiculous "Magnetic bombs" out their cannons... With more efficency.
Y-wings are one of the fastest starbombers to be used, *Maybe* second to Hyena bombers used by the Seperatists during the clone wars
Yeah, and as for the arguement that the Starfortress has a payload 50x that of the Y-wing, the K-wing can fufill this desire while having a comparable speed to the Y wing. Hell, it has a QUAD TURBOLASER! ON A STARFIGHTER! As a bonus, this would please fans of the EU, like me. HAD DISNEY NOT AXED THE WHOLE THING!!!!
Why are they so slow. They are in God damn space. No air resistance.
They either travel with X times Lightspeed or just as slow as a snail
@@herrjohnssen makes sense
You can always put the movie at X5 spped eh? ;)
Explain the fucking X-Wings that are in space, have no air resistance and could still move faster than those bombers and could do sideflips, frontflips, backflips.
Bill Simmons We can’t, some of us figured out how to cure depression is by reliving your childhood, however the Sequel Trilogy ain’t gonna be anyone’s childhood.
I'm so glad someone else noticed how dumb it was to have bombs falling in zero gravity. I also wondered why they had these things going so slow and only approaching from one angle.
Ryan: So I’ve come up with these WW2 inspired space bombers they deliver a massive payload but they are incredibly heavy and clunky which makes them super slow.
Lucasfilm creative teams: why wouldn’t the resistance use tried and true Y-wings?
Ryan: what’s a Y-Wing?
"Why wings? What do you mean why wings? Wings aren't needed in space"
Y wings? We can't get no Y wings! No matter how you try to spin this or explain it its just too stupid
don't you want slow bombers with nice jazz music playing as they slowly cruise towards the Dreadnaught? say no more fam. *Fires John Williams
I miss b-wings...
Y wings would ve outdated being 50 years old vut i would still take a bromen y wing over a carppy ship that a disfunctional tiefighter can take out 3 of
if the bombs were magnetic they could’ve launched them from any angle
James Christensen the problem I see with magnetic bombs is that the ship is metal.... so wouldn’t she bombs just stick to the ships dropping the bombs? And if they have a remote way to make them magnetic then how did they fall initially? So many dumb ideas on how they operate😂
Kswagers ESO Not if the bomber operates like a rail gun, they won't.
But then again, since these bombers are basically on a suicide mission, might as well give them bigger engines and fly them into the dreadnought anyway.
Koray Acar yes if they were on a rail gun but like shown, it’s not. They seem to free fall out of the hull which would not be possible for a huge number of reasons. The only possible explanation I have is that the Dreadnaught was so massive that the equipment used to generate gravity extended far beyond the reaches of the ship. But many other reasons why that can’t work due to certain physics being displayed.
Here is a dumb idea:
The bombing bay is a polymer or non-ferrous-metal.
A simple electronic force of N-N or S-S could repel all downward.
@@jaws1628 100% as a electrical engineer, they would stick like fuck to the bomb-bay itself, there's so much wasted payload space on-board too. If I had to work in the constraints of the bomber from a engineering point of view id fuck off the magnetic idea and have a simple ejector that would give the bombs a simple starting push, and being space, they would continue this velocity and be loosely pulled by the gravity of the target ship.
That whole "magentic" argument doesn't even make any sense. If they magnetic they would all just attach to each other in a big clunk, but that's not what happens in the film is it. Bombers my ass. So now this film's logic consists of ships flying into a forcefield with no visual representation of how that occured, ships in hyperdrive that bounce of each other like a pinball machine instead of just slicing through them, gravity and oxygen in space and now magic fairy bombs. Well done, Rian.
Do you know what electromagnets are?
@@astroknight5 Still. If the idea was a rail gun.
Then why the f*ck they didn't make a cannon instead?
@@astroknight5 Why don't they stick to the other bombers and Resistance ships that are closer then?
The ship has gravity, so when they drop in the ship they have gravity, and when they leave the ship they carry on because that's how space physics work. I dont get how people criticize bombs but dont point out how a star fighter can have their engines on all the time and dont reach infinitely increasing speed and then turn around without having to burn for 5 minutes
@@bonzomcdrumcat4989 That would be great if a) that was mentioned anywhere in the film and b) if the post-movie plot-hole-fillers - i mean, books - didnt already say they were magnetic. Which is just stupid. It's a magnet strong enough to be attracted to a target ship, but not the hull of the bomber itself? Rian wanted his WWII bomber moment. Ok, cool. Lucas used WWII dogfights as inspiration for how the ships would move and fight. The difference is that no one is seriously looking at the starfighter combat and whining that it isnt realistic enough. We're willing to accept that this is the rule of this universe, space battles play out a bit like WWII dogfights, ok, to everyone who isnt a pedantic prick, thats not a huge thing to accept.
It's a much harder sell to tell people that existing bombers have now been replaced by ineffective death traps, and that space is now basically a two dimensional field and that we've regressed from advanced missiles to unguided gravity bombs.
Why don't they point their bomb bay towards the target and release the payload frontally instead of needing to hover the target?
After all, a single bomber's load killed the Dreadnought - they could have launched a moving minefield against their whole fleet instead of killing themselves.
And still people defend that piece of garbage movie when this is one of the smaller problems it has.
Why not lunch the attack from above the ship they are trying to bomb. Have the bombers pull up and release the payload when they reach the "minimum distance". I'm not trying to defend these ships but space is 3D!
because the bombs hit the reactor of the dreadnaught, that is the only reason they destroyed that ship, what irks me more is when they try to justify pulling up Poe by saying that those bombers and crews were an expensive loss, hmm, lets take the cost of the dreadnaught and its crew and ancillary staff and all its payload, the squadron of Ties, pilots, stormtrooper contingent, the fact it was used to erase cities from orbit.... so basically 53,000 officers, 140,000 enlisted personnel, and 22,000 stormtroopers and a monster of a ship. Compare that to losing 20 bombers...... I personally think i would be ordering those ships in every single time.
Funny enough old X wing and Tie fighter games use this logic when we use proton bombs. They are big can launch and move very slowly in a straight line, so just approach in vertically from above capital ships and shoot it straight ahead
Or even better - remove bombs and put there proton torpedoes! Mine field has two weak points: mines are slow and the entire field can be pre-exploded with single shot in one bomb if unlucky. So why just not putting straight-forward torpedo launchers?
Just imagine a valley of doom launched from a couple armored bombers - boom, enemy ship is having a really bad time/is destroyed. This would make these ships so much better.
The original Y-wing is not only fast, and agile, it is also a bomber
Y-Wings are fairly slow. Using the old TIE Fighter game as a reference, they were the easiest Rebel ships to destroy. B-Wings came in second, then X-Wings, then the infernal A-Wings, which were nigh unhittable.
That said, Y-Wings would fly rings around the idiotic bombers in TLJ.
With an ion cannon tooo
The Y-wing actually makes sense as a bomber. with actually torpedoes and missiles. gravity bombs are useless in space.
The B-2 Bombers in real life can fly faster than those "space b-17" in star wars. I don't see how those bombers can reach escape velocity lol.
Y Wings also looked cool and was more resistant to damage although slower than x and A wings.
Star destroyers sitting around doing nothing. Po flies up next to them to have a conversation. Then leisurely flies around shooting turrets. This is such mediocre writing.
skeletorrobo
Mediocre is such an overstatement... you are giving Rian Johnson too much credit
@@bigrichard232 well, technically it was such mediocre writing, but ok... Such abysmal writing.
Oh no - you don't understand. See, he's the greatest pilot in the galaxy. We know this because when he does stuff that other people die doing, he doesn't die.
@@WalterLiddy Kindly the misunderstanding is all yours. If you've ever seen A New Hope you may recall the assault on the Death Star. No time for curtsies and tea time conversation . The stakes of life and death were real, where speed and timing were paramount. That was what made SW a phenomenal hit in 1977. And a phenomenal hit in 2017 is not what we subsequently got.
Each of those capital ships has it's own bunch of fighters it could deploy. NONE of them decided to do so even when those stupid bombers showed up. Also, Poe would have and SHOULD have been killed immediately upon flying up to the ship to start trolling.
"Illogical" is a pretty mild and insufficient choice of word to describe the concept behind these bombers.
Downright "STUPID" gets closer to reality.
algogy and torpedo bombers, despite their slow speed/lack of maneuverability, still flew low enough that camouflage actually was a legitimate tactic, these b-sf17s are painted white. Incredibly obvious on top of their already terrible stats. Oh, and they can be shot at by turbolasers as well as point defence lasers, so Poe’s plan was flawed from the beginning.
My favourite detail is that Rian is just ripping dialogue from ww2 footage/movies with no idea what it means. "Tight formation" isn't used for bombers, it's used for fighters - and it's a temporary group-up to allow a more complex maneuver; you wouldn't have fighters remain "tight" for any real length of time.
I mean bombers used a tight formation too. It was safer that way, but once set upon by enemy fighters, they’d fan out to allow the gunners better field of fire, while minimizing damage from a shot down plane hitting someone else. This movie showed us exactly why. So one tie fighter wouldn’t take out 3 bombers without even meaning to. It’s just stupid.
Hey, I’m your resident aircraft dork, and while you’re basically completely right, WW2 bombers did use tight formations as it gave them better and mutual coverage from all the bombers guns against enemy fighters. Fighters themselves only fly tight formation outside of combat, as when in combat a sort of combat spread has usually been more effective, with fighters anywhere from half a mile to multiple miles apart until engagement
Fun fact: this bomber carries 1000 bombs, an Y wing can carry 20
What’s my point? They seriously replaced 50 really good spaceships for this space coffin?
And a newer version of the Y-Wing probably could carry more payload, making those shit bombers look even worse
Plus, proton torps are so much more explosive.
To be fair, they may not have 50 pilots to fly all those Y wings. Leia was pissed at losing 12 bomber crews. Granted, if all they are doing is flying straight, level, and dropping bombs at a specific point in time, why not just use droids, right?
That's a common strategy in the star wars universe. Putting all your resources in a few very large ships to create a huge single point of failure.
The death star in episode 4 had the same issue. They could have built 10000 star destroyers and spread them all across the galaxy. But no they have built a huge ball that could be destroyed by a few x wings instead.
So then in episode 6 they did the same mistake again to then repeat it in episode 7.
So in episode 8 the good guys fell for the trick and thought this was a good thing to do. Put all you resources in a few expensive weapons to concentrate your risk at one point.
@@0815Snickersboy They already had thousand of Star destroyers tho, the Death Star wasn’t all of their resources. That’s why the empire didn’t immediately collapse after the first Death Star exploded. Tbh, the empire would probably be still going strong and be able to build a third Death Star if the Emperor hadn’t died in the destruction of the second one.
The V-2 rockets Germany launched at the UK in 1943 were more impressive and effective than the bombers in The Last Jedi.
yea they were very very effective the flying bomb. Lets see them write V-2 Rocket in the next movie and call it RV2 it sounds like a driod but why the hell not
Probably even the V1
That's for damn sure, we took some that we captures and fired them at the Japanese.
V2 rockets were Germany's fat man and little boy
The Wright brothers's plane were more impressive than this bomber
You have to understand. Most people who defend this movie, are devoid of logic.
Or they don´t understand what Star Wars is about or they are just paid to write good shit on the internet. Just look at the IMDB score. It was very high when this movie released and still is way to high. It´s all fake.
I mean Logic and Star Wars have never worked together
@kimidori
Care to elaborate ?
Want me to make something say why it's good, like I can make a deal with Disney if you'd like.
Anyone who thinks this movie is good is devoid of a working fucking brain
Y-wings are superior bombers.
They are maneuverable, can carry heavy loads, and are probably a lot cheaper than these monstrosities.
"Look how happy she is. Everyone's about to die." made me fall off the chair laughing. Well done.
That's not the way of the Jedi... Right?
@@moshebenshaul i mean the fighters are armed, so that's fine, but she's enjoying it, that's the problem i guess
Kamikaze with hyperdrive is OP. They never should have added that possibility to the mythos. Now you can just have hyperdrive bombs driven by droids (which we know already can be pilots). The death stars or even that planet base gun could have been taken out with precision hyperdrive drone bombs. For the resource-strapped first order or republic/rebellion this should have been an obvious choice at all times. Hyperdrive suicide ships could be made from junk heaps out of scrap yards which wouldn't otherwise be useful, and which cost next to nothing compared to modern combat vessels.
the way it was before was hyperspace was supposed to be like a separate dimension so you couldn't do that stuff
Ikr haha. Sacrifice a ship to take out the enemy flagship and admiral
And then JJ retcons it right back out of existence in the next movie by having Po say, "Come on. That shot was one in a million." So now, Hyperspace Hulk Smash is no longer possible. Also, remember in TLJ when Holdo berates Po saying, "you have bet the survival of the Resistance on bad odds and put us all at risk?" Well, thanks to JJ's retcon, Holdo was about to perform a maneuver that had a one-in-a-million chance of succeeding. How's THAT for "bad odds?" lol.
@@KneelB4Bacon 1 in a million? Oh no, now they have to have the cheap ships be in contact with the target before they blow it to smithereens. Wonder why the empire never used hyperspace as their planet destroyer?
@@yassgrass6491 This is partially true, ships in hyperspace can still collide with real space objects. Hence why hyperlanes are a thing.
ryan johnson destroyed more of the universe than the Death Star
so true
@@yodumb5864 He has no imagination everyone round him pats him on the back and say good work here have a cookie. We all know he sucks at story telling and greatly lacks creativity because those are the ugliest spaceships I have ever seen. Heard from somewhere that he stole those designs from a guy who was working on a space rpg. There's some proof because guy who made those models says that you can even see the stands that keep the game pieces on the board still attached to the ships in the movie.
@@SlimSamari When a guy who is called 'ryan' spells his first name as 'rian' you know you can't take him seriously.
@@yodumb5864 He thinks he's the next George Lucas but all he is a wonna be who can't even be seen as serious person.
A 7 year old could write better movies and make it 10 times better
What do you expect from a movie that had Leia going EVA in her lounging around clothes?
There are no words for this film that accurately describe its enormous amount clusterfuckery.
I literally hate Johnson and Kennedy. 😠
Rian Johnson isn't complete garbage at what he does. He directed some of the Season 5 Breaking Bad episodes (I think). But, yeah, his job in the Last Jedi was sub-par, to say the least.
@@dragonslayer7724 Plus knives out directed by Johnson was good
Automate Rian Johnson.😂 AI will do a better work.
"So why the bombers?"
Ryan: "I was thinking about WWII when Iheard we had asian actors!"
1. The bombs look like they're free-falling and not accelerating as they should, if they were magnetic.
2. Magnets only work from *very short* distances.
3. If the bombs are magnetic, why didn't they attract each other and explode right after being "dropped"?
4. If the bombs are magnetic, that surely should've affected the way they're attached to and released from the bombers, who are also presumably metal? Instead they're rattling about in their cartidges even after being "activated"..
5. I shouldn't be bothering with this dumbass popcorn movie.
@Lai Derrick No, by acceleration Just like Dudelve said
Statement: Certain metals are repelled by magnets, plus identical magnetic poles repel each other.
@@KaosNova2 Statement: that is not enough to excuse this shitload of a scene.
@@YAH93 Statement: I agree.
@Tom Arrow But how are the higher-flying magnets getting magnetized to the ships sufrace in the first place? Between them and the ship are dozens of other magnets.
Is it possible for me to dislike this video?
Yes.
Would it be logical to do so?
Of course not.
Nice 👌
He's wrong here. If something is possible, then it is therefore, logical. (possible (p)→possible (p)), which is tautological, and basically the law of identity. The word he should have used was *rational*, which while similar, is not synonymous with "logical."
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Laws in formal logic don’t necessarily coincide with fundamental logic. I may have worded that wrong, but essentially what I mean is, logical means that something is sound of reasoning or can be interpreted as “according to the rules of logic”(yes, I did look that up) but in the context in which he used the word “logical” it is almost undeniably not the latter. Something being possible does not mean that it is sound of reasoning. And example would be: I CAN attempt to murder, but I’m not going to because I have no reason. You cannot say that because (X)->then (X).
Edit: you can by the law of identity but once again, you’re interpreting it as something different. Not everything is ruled by mathematical logic.
@@michellesarniske8647 It could be argued that I was being pedantic; however, I think my suggestion of using "rational" in place of "logical" is an improvement, however minor.
People (myself sometimes included) tend to throw around words like "rational, logical, proof, theory," and other such terms without using modifiers. This detracts from their arguments, opinions, or other general comments.
"Logic" itself, is nothing more than the study of valid inference, whether mathematical or procedural.
As to your example, please note that I am not saying that if possible (X), then (X). I am saying that if possible (X), then possible (X). What is, is. What's possible, is possible. I am taking no position on if (X) is *plausible*.
Reason is defined as using known facts to arrive at new facts. So while it may be possible to murder, one could come to the conclusion that (I should not murder) because a) it's immoral ('murder' is defined as an unjustifiable killing, and therefore it's logically impossible for me to "morally" murder someone) b) the consequences would be dire and c) the attempt could fail. That's using known facts to arrive at new facts. As such, it would be better to say
Is it possible for me to dislike this video? Yes. Would it be [rational] to do so? Of course not.
I hope I made myself clear.
8:10 - the generic elevator music fixed the bombing scene. Last Jedi is finally the comedy it was meant to be. (*Sarcasm*)
Probably would have made more sense for “magnetic” bombs to function like a rail gun, like an electromagnet is propelling it out at a high speed.
I agree then they wouldn’t have to get so moronically close
That could have been pretty cool. They shoot them out in rapid succession like a paintball gun.
I think thats what they meant when they said it was "magnetic"
@@trotfox1138 well then they wouldn't need to go that close to the ship that they get caught in their own explosion
I hate when sci fi does magnets. Magnetism is very well understood property of physics. Movies always treat magnetism like magic. It's stupid.
“They’re evolving, just backwards.”
Yes i agree
They’re*
@@sovietcosmonaut2595 congrats you corrected a non existant typo, thanks for being a failed asshole
Ah so they're regressing. I get it!
Wait? Christianity again? After cowboys!? Type of regression.
They killed the wrong sister.
Javy no doubt fucking rose I hate her so much.
Lol yeah
@@snoop4470 haha so do I..I hate that slant
Actually they didn't... because to force the "even the weakest dork nobody can become a hero" lame bullshit down kids throats (which is the whole purpose of this trilogy), the stronger sister had to die so it could inspire her nobody dork sister to become a hero and save one of the main characters... because "love triumphs against hate" kid of bullshit... + to become his love interest, because romance it's a crap that has to be in any generic audience movie so it makes the sentimental portion of the women audience feel satisfied when exiting the theater. It's just another tick in the usual Hollywood's cliché checkbox.
Every step of the movie is to prove that initial point. That's why Rey's parents are irrelevant, because you don't have to be descendant from a strong Force character, you don't have to be someone of status. You can be the poorest piece of garbage in the galaxy and still be strong (bonus if you're also "... with the force") and go out there fight evil. That's why the Resistance will thrive now... because poor bastard slaves will now feel inspired to overcome the oppression and whatever. It's all about the old "hope" factor...
Long story short: this is the overused plot of weak becomes strong against evil, which is relatable to the common folk out there. And what did these 2 movies (so far) did for the Star Wars story franchise? Absolutely nothing. It was a rehash from the previous SW movies (specially the original 3) and that makes them nothing more than "nostalgia fan service".... specially Force Awakens, god, that was shameless copy-paste to make old fans go into hyper ventilation mode after so many years. And the next one probably won't do much more than that.
Rogue One was the only proper SW movie recently and is still was about old loose ends. At least it did it properly. Solo was just stupid and a fan "compensation" for the death of Han in Force Awakens nobody asked for... and when they did it, they failed miserably. Obi-Wan with Ewan McGregor was the one people wanted, but if it would to be made like Solo... well, I guess we dodged a bullet...
Star Wars has an entire galaxy of stories to tell, and there's plenty of other things people want to see, they want new Star Wars.
Can't wait for this Skywalker story to be finally over... If they plan on doing something with Obi-Wan/Ewan, better be a TV/streaming show, because the movie standards are just too limiting to make good non-generic material.
"wrong kid died" - Pa Cox
I was watching this scene and the only thing I could think was, “Don’t destroyers have guns on them? I why not just use them?”
And also, any ship, or plane, or anything, that has a 100% casualty rate is NOT WELL DESIGNED!!! They should’ve at least had some sort of shield system to justify the bulky size and slow movement, but no let’s just make the payload twice the ship size, place the bombs right on the walls with no room between them, make the bomb holders loose enough so that they can bang into each other before being deployed, AND, ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, NO SHIELDING!!!!!
"Look how happy she is. Everyone's about to die." wow that shows how bad this movie is.
She is palpatine's daughter after all. If they sat together to watch a movie, it'd probably be a snuff film.
She's like Kathleen Kennedy firing everyone that does not agree with her
One of the bombs should have said: I have the high ground
Vorname Nachname this shit movie doesn’t deserve such an honor
@@tacos5718 the prequels: it over disney trilogy i have the high ground
I’m not sure Ryan would understand the reference 😂
hello there
@@facemanmc6364 Master Kenobi
There’s nothing funnier than people who still defend this movie 🍿
@Iron Giant You only say that because you crashed in Maine during the 50s.
@@TraustiGeir n1
There's nothing funnier than grown adults complaining about something that isn't even fucking real
@@jonvontrapp9532
Are we not allowed to feel passion for media we consume? What are you? Some kind of boring fucking tool?!
@@Bollibompa no but people clearly have an obsession with attacking this film, and feel the need to harass anyone who liked it. (Note: They did not do the same thing to those who liked The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones, both terrible films with horrific CGI in Attack)
I'm neutral, but that is incredibly fucking obvious.
Prior to the bombers, you had Poe delaying the enemy fleet with a prank phone call.
Within the first 5 mins of the film, Rian Johnson broke Star Wars.
Plus all the protagonists are sitting in a time out, taking back seats to supporting characters, during 89% of the movie.
For the whole “the bombs are magnetic” argument, riddle me this
Why didn’t they stick to the ship itself or each other. All magnets have a + and - magnetic pull, so surely they would attract each other.
Electromagnets are temporary.
@@astroknight5 even then, those bombs would still attract each other even before getting to their objective.
Even if we ignore the fact that those ships are a big group of ships full of metals and also assume that the ships are made of non-ferromagnetic materials.
even if they did manage to get past that when they get detached from the magnet they would just float around because nothing sent them anywhere
Shhhh.... You giving them too many information to process I suggest start something simple like, what's 1+1?
8:07 I like how all the gunners on the bombers are also facing the wrong way.
To be honest though, the arcing laser shots bothered me more than the bombers. Not once in any other Star Wars movie have lasers behaved that way.
Yes, the arching lasers were quite annoying. They weren't even in orbit around a planet, so where's the gravity even coming from?
I thought those were plasma bolts?
@@alestiiidaeno_last3075 They still wouldn't have arced like that. There's no significant amount of gravity to cause a trajectory like that, ESPECIALLY if they were laser shots.
Man, the arcing laser shots blow my balls off everytime i look at them. I just hate them, they are so stupidly illogical it amaze me how they could think that...
First of: turbolasers use plasma bolts, the gas is charged by lasers, which actually makes sense. Now, you COULD argue that an electromagnetic trail allows the bolt to arch... BUT THAT IS STUPIDLY CONVOLUTED and out of universe in star wars, like, they dont fit at all. Moreover, why do 30+ ships not fire on the ships? They are in range and can pummel that ship to dust in a seconds with 30.000 cannons total.
Arms dealer:
“That? That’s a ‘Y-Wing.’ It’s fast, can travel in hyperspace, is armed with blasters, can launch proton torpedoes, and ion torpedoes. It can be also be armed with a wide variety of guided missiles. In addition they can be adapted for other kinds of torpedos. It has been a proven model for years.
That? *That* is the new bomber. We recommended it since...”
Riann "But i got the idea from another great movie!"
george lucas: "this is walkng tank thats slow and clumsy and can attack on only one direction".
star wars fans: "best thing evaarrr"
@@Bothandle70 at least it's heavy amoured
@@Bothandle70 To be fair, AT-ATs were built as a heavily-armored terror weapon, their purpose was to terrify the average plebian into not using their bigger-than-average blaster rifle against the military police who had the gall to throw them out of their favorite bar.
@@Bothandle70 You just described every castmate assault gun deployed in WW2 with the exception of the walking part, yet those assault guns were reckoned to be one of the most cost effective designs of the war.
That's another thing that bugs me. When Rey is using the turret to destroy the TIE Fighters and she gives an "Whoo, I like this." They have everyone do that whenever they do something we haven't seen them do. Not something we haven't seen. Just something we haven't seen them do. Rey likes shooting the gun. In Force Awakens Poe gets all excited at how fast a TIE Fighter can go...then again in Last Jedi when his X-Wing has that booster rocket. Finn gets excited shooting TIE Fighters multiple times and really just says "WHOO" at almost anything he sees. Han is inexplicably using Chewie's Bowcaster for the first time and actually turns to him and says he likes it which makes me absolutely crazy. Why do they always have to draw out attention to the fact they're doing a new thing and they're happy about it. This kind of technology is common place in Star Wars. Why are they always shouting their excitement for things that should be old hat by then?
That formation wasn't tight enough!
When you buy a pant too small for you, but you use it anyways: "dick and balls, keep that tight formation"
that's what she said!
@@xvandrex and it ends up being a blazing inferno anyway
Right? Before the bombs were primed one bomber was wrecked and 2 more died off screen before the TIE collision.
If the formation was any tighter then they would have formed a megazord.
If the bombs were magnetic wouldn't they stick to the bomber?
Layne Bonham to answer your question it targets what to drop its payload on to. Yes it’s dumb sci-fi tech that can never exist , but that’s what’s fun about Star Wars. We didn’t care when people used laser swords or moon size lasers, so why should we care if the ship in the movie for six minutes in not very practical.
Layne Bonham are you serious? You realize that magnets repel as well as attract, right?
@@Ari19904 i sorry :c
@@laynebonham3968 I think this is a valid point, the "magnetic bombs" would stick to the insides of the bay.
@ Aryan Sadat You are right as well, magnetes will attract, if unequal polarisation is turned towards each other, and they will repel, if equal polarisation is turned towards each other.
What is the problem with that? -> How to realise this!
1. My assumption is, the polarisation of the bombs is static -> everything else is impractical
2. The inside walls of the bay need to have the oppisite polarisation of the bombs, whichever side they face.
-> What is the problem with that?
The bombs are dropped in rows (according to footage)in free fall , meaning you can have the oppisite polarisation to the side of the bomb, but nothing prevents the bomb/bombs from spinning in mid-air, while traveling down! So it will stick to side!
3. The bomberbay has 4 sides, but you can have only two polarisations!
-> If two sides are without polarisation, the magnetic bombs will stick to it either way!
----> Possible Solution: There needs to be a rotating highenergy, magnetic field, with high frequency. It needs to be strong enough to have an influence on the bombs! remember: magnetic force is normally really strong over short distances, and really weak over long distances!
It needs to be rotating with a high frequency, otherwise the bombs get just juggled around and smashed to the walls, which is asking for disaster!
----> How can you do that? -> you could induce an highenergy field via high voltage and make it rotate (with a spinnig cylinder made out of conducting material inside that bomberway walls? Oo)
-> I wonder, wouldn´t it be really dangerous(due to high voltage) to be inside the bomberbay whenever the field is on? Rose´s Sister WTF? XD
-> This technology would be extremely energyconsuming and therefore costinefficient, because this bomber with this much of expensive technology and material would be blown to pieces in, I assume, 9/10 times LOL
4. There is no magnetic field present in bomberbay, therefore the bombs can´t be magnetic!!!
-----> Due to my explenation, that there needs to be an rotating magnetic field, to make "magnetic bombs" work at all, we would see a phenomenom, that we don´t see in movie.
--------------------> Because of the rotating magnetic field, and due to lining up to the constantly changing magnetic field, the BOMBS WOULD ROTATE in midair while falling down, either in a straight line, or in a slight spiral!
We don´t see anything like this. The explanation "magnetic bombs" makes no sense in this movie.
If you want to make this explanation work in the movie, just show us the consequences, that come together with the explanation/technology!
If you don´t, you are just lazy, RYAN!!!!
If we don´t see it, we think :" bullshit!", because most of us have at least an intuitive understanding of physics.
If you don´t take this into consideration, RYAN!, you will have to anticipate even more backlash in your next movies :)
Who's to say that the bomber is made out of a ferrous metal?
Remember that 3 *Y WINGS* disabled a star destroyer.
*_FREAKING 3 Y WINGS_*
crystalier
And it took fifteen of the Star Fortresses to blow up a single Dreadnaught.
(Let’s not neglect to mention, that all three Y-Wings survived, but not a single Star Fortress made it back.)
Didn't three Y wings also destroy the malevolence?
@@dr.vanilla9017 Shit, the Best weopon would've been modernized Y-Wings (obviously modernized as the original model is still from the Clone wars and the modernized Version from the originals would be totally outdated again. X-Wings were modernized as well, so it seems to be no problem)
Dr. Vanilla No it was like 12 but most survived.
Y wing is small starship if resistance use y wing it will not make sense resistance bomber contain 1000 bomb to destroy first order star destroyer or dreadnought not y wing bruh
They always use the same excuse everytime we point out something obviously wrong. “Oh it’s about space wizard and laser swords but apparently THAT(insert problem we talking about) is unrealistic”
This could've been easily fixed with some minor reworks to the battle and an off line to explain why they are using such a terrible bomber. Something like:
Resistance fighter one: "Are those star fortresses? what are those deathtraps gonna do?"
Resistance fighter two: "They'll have to do something because they're the only thing we have!"
just a simple exchange like that would explain that everyone knows the bombers are terrible, but they are using them because they are so desperate for ships that they will take anything that flies.
you could also add the line we aren't sure if the Y-bomb have enough power to destroy the Dreadnought
@@Payload82 the y-bombers would have enough power because there would be more than one reaching the target XD
@@Payload82 have to consider there are unlikely any y wings left in significant number, they where only built in thr clone wars and not many built afterwards. b wings as few of those they built would have been more likely bomber of the era.
@@Novaphaux1984 well there’s a new model of Y-Wing that Zorii flies in IX, but it makes sense that they weren’t on hand above D’Qar. But the Resistance’s situation makes it pretty self-evident that these shit numbers are the best they have on hand. It might’ve slowed down the movie if they tried to spell this out in dialogue. But I think a bit of lampshading on the Resistance’s part would’ve been funny and informative.
Another detail to add: Show us that those rich arms dealers in Canto Bight are only providing ships and weapons to the First Order. The New Republic with their restrictions are hurting their business, so those rich dealers want the First Order to succeed. This is why the First Order has entire fleets of new state-of-the-art weapons while the Resistance is chugging along with antiques and scraps.
This would also give Finn and Rose something interesting to do in Canto Bight: like maybe kick off a major revolt that results in them capturing/taking out those arms dealers and war profiteers, and hurting the First Order in an unexpected way.
If the ships were rotated 90 degrees so the drop bay pointed forward, and they fired the payload out like a giant load of explosive space buckshot, they would make infinitely more sense without completely redesigning them.
It's SPACE! They could have driven the ship that way, being more narrow than wide, and flipped it upside down right at the target! No sense of 3D maneuverability. Every SPACE craft moves like a Airplane on a planet.
That... Makes perfect sense. It reminds me of like a pirate ship firing all cannons
Don't get me wrong. The design is horrible, and the CIS had better ships
@@ChaosDesigned Not even an airplane, more like a highway commuter traffic jam.
You're listening to the wrong people. Those bombs fell whilst inside a gravitational field obviously generated by the ship. Now, you can't SEE this thing, so it looks like, there's just space RIGHT there OMG SHE's IN SPACEEE, THEY'RE SO STUPID HOW IS SHE ALIVE" She was at the bottom of the stairs, breathing normally etc. So there was obviously gravity inside that bay, Just because you couldn't see a force field to show where the gravity stops, what does that mean? Well, nothing. Look at the original movies, on multiple occasions in the original movies,m such as when palpatine arrives on the first death star, he lands in the hangar, and speaks to vadar, you can clearly see, that ship he was on flew through what appeared to be just a big wide open black entrance. With no masks on etc. Meaning what? Meaning that hangar was using some kind of force field that was generating gravity and air. But you can't see anything over that door can you?
So obviously the same thing was happening here she was breathing and ok, so they'd obviusly thought we understoof that just because there's no Blue forcefield or something there, that obviousloy the ship, like other ships in the universe we've seen still have them, you just can't see them.
So what does that mean aboput the bombs? Welp, if SHE could fall down really fast and KO herself, Then the bombs could fall right? as they were also in the ships fake gravity field it generated. So now it's easy, with the conservation of momentum theory, obviously, whatever speed those bombs were traveling when they left the gravity field of the ship, they would keep that exact same amount of speed for eternity if nothing was in the way. And thats the truth
it's actually embarrassing how many people, i think it's like 95% who think that JUST because there's nothing to show that there's something generating gravity inside the bomb bay of that ship EVEN THOUGH there's a f*cking Ladder there for people to climb down, and manually drop bombs, they MUST be just in open space then??
Again, Other ships in the original star wars films didn't show anything guarding doors out to black space
And lastly. About the "ERRRR Her ship flew through snokes ship in lightspeed"""" That is SO retarded, why don't they make bombs with droids blah blah. Thats because these idiots ALL believe (because someone said it and they listened) that during lightspeed/hyperspace, the ship SOMEHOW goes out of existance, goes into some kind of wormhole or something, and then just appears on the other side., When we can clearly hear Han Saying in the first movie "Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" .. so how do you fly THROUGH a Star, if you're not actually travelling in space but a wormhole, and why can you fly through a star and get killed, but not a ship? ffs
@Anthony Quigley Dude, you copy pasted your comment on another comment to this comment.
If they were magnetic, they would instantly stick to the ship that deployed them, especially in space where there would be no resistance at all.
😂 I never thought about that! You made my day
@Kiko Frías Tenza They would still stick to the ship? What the fuck would move them away if it wasn't for the magnet? They have no rocket system to boost them away.
@Kiko Frías Tenza What pushes the bombs down again? In the film they just drop as if there's gravity, just like the shots from Snoke's ship's main gun. The gravity inside of the dreadnought doesn't extend out like that, or those resistance ships would simply fall.
@@laurikotivuori1585 either that or they would float around and possibly blow up lol
Surely if they're using magnetic bombs, they would make the hill out of titanium or something instead of steel, right?
what really gets me is that in prequels movies that were set before everything the ships were more advanced
It WORKS with the OT because well… it’s a fascist empire, not much advancement would actually happen, and of course tech is not prioritised. It does not work when it is a good few decades after the OT and the government isn’t suppressing everything.
The people who made this movie obviously haven't played rogue squadron II. Star destroyers aren't helpless against small ships, especially ones flying slow.
The man who made this comment obviously didn't watch the movie
i take it that you liked this movie... to each his own. My point is that large craft don't only have large turbolaser batteries that are specifically for targeting larger ships. Most ships have anti fighter turrets to give some defence against smaller craft. If you watched rogue one, which i assume you have, then you should know that a fair amount of fighters were shot down with turrets through out the movie. So even if poe was a more effective combat unit than red gold and blue squadron put together, the bombers should have still met some form of defence. Not to mention if a tie fighter decided to take one for the team.
@@gameboyn64 no the movie is bad, you just didn't watch the movie. Poe dameron destroyed the anti-spacecraft turrets. That's why I say you did not watch the movie, you wouldn't know that and thus your critism didn't matter.
The thing is that i did see the movie. I saw it at the amc theater in woodenville wa. I know poe took out all the large batteries in the span of about a minute and that dispite 30+ tie fighters being deployed only 3 decided to target poe. My point is why the dreadnaught had no light anti fighter turrets. You know turrets that are not bigger than an x wing. The reason that i don't consider the batteries in the dreadnaught anti fighter turrets is because they are so big, they would probably one shot small freighters. If you rewatch return of the Jedi, the surface of the death star and the executor are covered in small turrets. In a single frame of the death star surface during the death star assault, i can easily count at least 7 turrets on screen. The fact that these don't exist on the dreadnaught is ether the writers purposefully giving the first order a handicap or that the writers don't know anything about the medium they are writing about.
@@gameboyn64 he destroyed all the turrets, that's it. They had to send out tie fighters because they had no remaining turrets. That's all that was expressed, your just making stuff up now.
Pro Tip: When your design inspiration is clearly based off the WW2 era B-17, (even going so far as to have the name Star Fortress) at least give it the defensive weaponry and durability the old Flying Fortress was famous for.
It doesn’t even look like a B-17
Shawnee Wulf Like getting 1-strafed by a fighter because it hitted like 3 of its engines..YEAH!
It’s more like the “Star Paper Airplane”
and look what happened in the movie, its an out dated tactic and would work only in our universe. bombing runs are made fast and efficiently, these slow ass bomber couldn't possibly match up to a
y wing. the concept and idea of it is interesting because i love war history, when an old war tactic is used in a futuristic movie such as star wars, the whole idea of futuristic is killed off just like those bombers we see in the film.
@@Shawnmiller1903 Didn't Flying Fortresses also have the ability to fly at a much higher level than the one Axis fighters could reach too or was that a different WW2 bomber? That would be another reason why these monstrosities are useless in space.
WW2 heavy bombers used tight formations to maximize the effectiveness of their onboard defensive machine guns by concentrating fire and to coordinate bomb release. Neither seems to apply in TLJ.
True!
Tight formations to give each other fire support. To have more defensive capabilities than alone.
Either do that, design a Fighter/Bomber that can drop smaller amounts but hold itself in a dogfight, or go for the invisible approach of either being, well, invisible, or just too fast to be spotted before they got hit.
the B-17 in WW2 was the first: Many planes with many defensive MGs.
Something like the F/A-18 is the second: A fighter that can also drop stuff.
The B2 is one of the latter. I'ts designed to be fast and hidden against rader. Go in, drop stuff, go out, before the enemy can react.
3 years later and this is still gold. Some honest LOL moments. Great content
The biggest problem with the bombers to me was their release mechanism. It was a single remote that was next to the pilot and not the person arming the bombs. There was no backup way to release them.
Also the remote was not attached with a cable or alternative safety feature to prevent it from falling of the ship
Yup. Clearly just to create dramatic tension. So lazy
Not to worry, even if it falls out of the ship and out of reach, you can still reach out and grab it... somehow...
Thumbtanic did it first.
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@6Q4 Ninja the whole falling bombs thing didn't really bother me until this video, when I learned they are magnetic. Wouldn't they stick to the bomber once it released then? Unless the bombs magnetism turn on later, but then why do they have to be armed in advance if magnetism only turns on later. But that's just a minor nickpick
@6Q4 Ninja Why are they even using manned bombers in the first place when a hunk of metal with a hyperdrive is so effective at taking out ships, as demonstrated by the Holdo maneuver? That's a whole new can of worms.
Sokaras that’s how you know it was stupid and based on WWII tech when there was someone to activate the bomb bay. Today the pilot does both, hell we have smart bombs that can alter its own trajectories. In star wars I guess they reverted to classic cannonball bombs from the fucking civil war.
Who else thought that the movie was going to be bad since the first stupid dad joke of Poe at the beginning, i remember sitting at the theater and literally saying, “i have a bad feeling about this”
yep
I did, first time ever watching a Star Wars movie in the cinema I found myself looking at my watch and wondering when it would finally end
Yep. And when I saw Ade Edmondson I was half expecting a CGI Rik Mayall to jump out of nowhere and whack him around the head with a frying pan, al la Bottom.
Wouldn't have been any worse than the 'humour' they treated us to for the rest of this shit-show of a SW film to be honest.
He cant do that! Shoot him, or something.
Yeah, so I had a couple of drinks so I could really get lost in the moment and enjoy the movie. Nope. I was painfully aware of all the bad humor and "screw you" reveals and decisions, and even getting up to use the restroom to skip Canto Byte, I was still in disbelief. My friend turns to me after it's all over, and say... "Was it...too funny? What did I just watch?"
So, let's make a resume...
They made a slow moving transport filled to the brim with explosives, decided to make it a "flying fortress" (despite being what a cruiser should be, a litteral flying fortress), so with turrets, making it even heavier and pointless (Let's make a ship big enough to be easy to kill, but small enough to force to use weak turrets), and they decide to keep them in a tight formation when the enemy could simply launch 2/3 missiles inside to kill them all?
And they decided that instead of making said ships harder to kill by adding a small shield generator, they added a hyperdrive, which is completely pointless for this kind of ship, knowing they have to operate with a flagship?
What's worst isn't this
but the fact that the "dreadnought" didn't have a shield. Or they forgot to turn it on.
Also a y-wing is probably a third of the price, can actually move, and has a hyperdrive, plus being equipped with ion missile, which are 100x more effective than bombs against ships
Yeah Ion would be perfect for this, disable the cannon and run. But then again that would require an understanding of the universe.
Forgot to turn the shields on?
Are you claiming arrogance on part of the captain?
Because that's the typical excuse.
THANK YOU! ive been making the "why did tech not change from OT to ST....shit changed big time between PT and OT" argument forever and no one has ever validated it before this video.
The bomber is called Star Fortress.
FORTRESS.
B 17 flying fortress, sf 17 star fortress... How original. This is like how rockstar names their vehicles in gta, the difference is it's intended in that situation.
aka, Shoot at the bottom to destroy all of em
The WWII bombers were a fortress because at the time the bomber was heavily armed. The star wars bomber only had 1set of guns
@@mashimaro619 What? No, the B17 had a reputation for being difficult to bring down.
@@widowpeak6142 true UNLESS it in war thunder "a video game" then it might as well be flying cardboard
Rian Johnson created some of the most major internal inconsistencies within the Star wars universe with his single movie. By allowing a ship's hyperdrive to be used as a ballistic weapon, that alone introduced an absolutely massive plot hole for the entire universe. We've seen incredibly small ships hyper equipped and droid controlled. This completely changes the landscape of warfare in the universe.
for real dude, whats the cost of one hyperdrive versus destroying a line of stardestroyers in a battle? hook one up to a random asteroid and line up your shot and take out at LEAST two of the fuckers lol, such shit
@@svinkuk2652 seen in TLJ They could of destroyed the Fleet Defending endor
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 lol, ill do you one better! smack a ship into the sheild generator on endor and one into the deathstar *roll ccredits* lmao so bad
But is does make complete sence. The faster an object is tue greater its impact. Sooooo what do you think would happeb if something crashed into you close to light speed.
@@myfairlady343 I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, I'm saying that it introduced major problems. It essentially levels the playing field for any group that can get it's hand on a hyper capable ship. Why is any battle fought with anything other than remote operated hyper capable ballistic weapons? Literally just strap a hyperdrive to a rock and you would be able to destroy just about anything with a good hit. It's like making a nuclear weapon as easily accessible as getting running water.
Y-wings: Fast, effective, good design following the "letter" theme of Rebel ships.
This bombers: Bricks filled with (magnetic!) bombs.
Hearthcore y wings : slow, everyone how uses them dies
Resistance bomber: slows , everyone how uses them dies
If Y Wings are slow then these are stationary. Also going by films the survival rate is better on Y Wings because out of all the times we have seen these bombers (once) they all died.
Hell the one successful one blew up from a chain reaction from successfully dropping the payload! At least y wings arent single use.
Ryan Wilson we only seen each bomber in a major role once, in a new hope and in the past Jedi. In a new hope all but one died without completing the mission. In a last jedi all the bombers died and achieved what they mission.
Both ships have the same use just the resistance bomber is heavier with a bigger payload.
@@dallasbrown9177 What about Rogue One were they disable a Star Destroyer?
ThreeofaKind well the y wings in the battle of scarif where more supported then the resistance bomber.
Also I’m not saying the y wing is a bad or useless ship. I’m saying that if you compare the resistance bomber to the y wing it comes out looking the same or even better.
8:46 : so you're telling me that this ship is a kamikaze one anyway, as the payload will damage it on explosion, has the capability to pull out the most effective kamikaze attack ever shown in a star wars movie, and chooses to creep slowly, losing most ships uselessly, and on success just sending a few low power bombs? wow, that makes so much sense! Or you could keep all but one in reserve, and send one as kamikaze...
The people who defend this movie are the same people who say
“Oh my god, that’s how it works in real life! This film is so incredible and realistic!”
And then when you point out how it’s flawed or unrealistic using their own example from the film, they say
“Ugh, whatever, this is a film about space wizards, Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously! Man, no one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans.”
Same kind of people who said Prometheus was great 'cause it had big themes in it.
Anyone who liked and rated TLJ is a dick. Simple. A film made by dicks exclusively for dicks.
Not going to IX. Plenty others not either. KK can shove it.
Statement: If that's Star Wars for them, then they can keep it.
Not true it’s toxic to say people only like a movie just because, for instance I enjoyed because it had a more focused narrative than the force awakens, and the performances were solid, with many thrilling moments
@@colincinellareviews216 that movie had more (plot) holes than a Swiss cheese. All explained in great detail. But forgetting about the illogical story, the "thrilling moments" were so poorly acted, edited and choreographed that really took me out of the movie. Like the desappearing knife in one of the hands of the guard at snoke's room
It's SO depressing.
The potential that the Star Wars story had... is completely destroyed.
It could've been bigger and deeper than any story ever told. And now everything is meaningless.
And these bombers are the perfect Metaphoric example of what this franchise has become.
Nice video. You earned a new sub. 👍
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@@dallascaldwell2251 had a heart attack. RIP
Yeah too bad they made a single movie. If only they never made one then it could have been everything you wanted
Yeah I only acknowledge rogue one bc it doesn’t affect anything. That’s what they should’ve stayed to. I always ponder why in every instance the new trilogy creators decide “let’s make it worse”. Rey origin? Let’s make it pointless. Han and the princess relationship? Let’s make it pointless. Luke and his enhanced powers and legacy? Let’s make it pointless. Snoke? Let’s make him pointless. It goes on and on and on. Whenever they’re given two choices, awesome or pointless, they go with the shit option. It doesn’t upset me anymore bc I view it as non canon bullshit, but it is super disappointing bc they only get one shot at this. Carrie is gone and Han and Luke are dead. Fucking idiots man. Thank God we have the original trilogy with some prequels to mess with lol.
When I first saw ep. 7 & 8 I was thinking: did they let a Star Wars HATER make these films?
On the good side ep. 1 - 3 now seem to be marvels in comparison...
“I can’t watch anymore” -Obi wan