Toyota and Yamaha are very similar in many ways. It takes them a long time to come to market but when they put out something new it is done right. Two very strong companies.
Actually they both have partnered up in early years when the Toyota celica was built in 2000 to 2005 the engine was Yamaha, if you ever get a chance to look under the hood, look on the passenger side on the back side of engine you will see YAMAHA 👍
Yamaha comes out with a piano and Toyota comes out with the Lexus LC500, uhh I though you guys were supposed to be making the same thing?? Scratches head😳
@@itsjustme4222 True, however that engine was not their finest work, it had a lot of issues which some speculate, including Scotty Kilmer as to why Toyota stopped making that car, I miss it! On the other hand Yamaha tuned the exhaust not of the Lexus LFA, and that was a huge success 👍 Take care🇨🇦🍻🤙
This video didn't aged too well. Now we have customers complaining about this engine as well as the fit and finish. No, not a good excuse that the product is new because a lot of rigorous testing takes place before production begins.
@mangravy2000 when you spend your hard earned money , it's not just fuel efficiency , looks but also fit and finish. Confused about looking else where for fit and finish. It's my overall opinion of the product itself
@@michaelbosisto6259 mine only made it to 87k, mostly driven by my wife. Did all the PMs myself and was over the top on them. Luckily we had extended warranty soon as it was fixed traded it in for a sequoia
I like to think that the reason Toyota took so long to develop the new Tundra is because they completed the necessary R&D to deliver a reliable engine for this platform… time will tell 🤞🏽
@@User43776 You could also buy an F250 with the 6.2 V8. The GM 6.6 V8 and the RAM 6.4 V8 are good as well, but you have to buy an HD. I’m sure the Tundra twin turbo V6 will be bulletproof after a year or two. There is always some minor issues that testing won’t catch. I’m not a fan of the current Tundra with the short van like hood.
As a long time Toyota Tundra owner I have complete confidence in their engineering and manufacturing abilities. I venture to say that the majority of owners have experienced above average reliability and satisfaction with Toyota products.
If they are that good, then it's amazing they only sell about 1/8 as many as Ford sells F-series*. Fleets keep meticulous records about cost of ownership. Toyota has virtually zero of the commercial fleet truck business. Ford has close to 50% of that business. *Toyota built their San Antonio plant with the intent of producing 200,000 per year. Only one year (2007) did they even got close. The last 10 years they've averaged 112,500 per year or roughly half of the designed capacity of the plant.
What Tundra do you have though? There are a lot of reported issues with the 2007-2010 5.7L. Valve spring catastrophic failures and the air injection pumps being the main ones. Some of the valve issues were happening under 75k miles and destroyed the engine. I love Toyota, I wouldn't own anything else, but there are plenty of things they don't get right too.
@@oldowl4290 I still own a 2005 Tundra 4.7 with 320,000 miles and a 2021, it's a great truck and I really like it, but due to the current economic fuel trends it is leaving my possession. I will opt for the 3.5 TT some time in the future.
@@kennethreynolds8 I'm shopping for an 05-06 or 07-12. I need a weekender work truck but also want to offroad/overland. I'm leaning to the 1st gen but also like the 2nd gen a lot. I need to compare weights and tow capacity. I know the 2nd gen is heavier and larger but it's not a deal breaker. I do like the 1st gen however from the standpoint of putting in a manual transmission and xfer case. A few people have done it in last 4 years and a few places offer adapter plates now.
You said it yourself @ 3:46: "Yes, perhaps they're a little bit more delicate than a standard V8 engine..." These twin-turbo V6 engines won't take kindly to the abuse and neglect that the old 5.7 was able to endure.
Some are opposed to turbo gas engines, say they will wear out too quickly etc. But if the engine is designed to BE turbocharged from the start, with proper lubrication, bearing sizes, cooling etc. they are made to handle the power, just as a bigger v8 came with bigger bearings than a small v8. In the old days, taking a regular gas engine and adding a turbocharger DID push the engine beyond what it was designed to produce, but that was then.
I think Toyota will ultimately make another reliable engine. Accelerated wear testing is not exactly real world testing. Heat cycles and extreme climate conditions play a part in longevity, especially in seals.
the engine might be good, but putting so many eggs in one basket is foolish. Should that turbo fail, the costs will be very high to replace...no thank you
@@aarontaylor9413 how so? Replacing a turbo is not that expensive, turbos operate off of exhaust heat so all that could fail are bearings, which are built very well today. Cars are designed to operate at a specific air fuel ration so if turbo fails the engine management system will reduce fuel being supplied to engine?
Not expensive? Its more than 5k just for the turbo...then to replace it is a major job. I hate, I mean utterly HATE rip off dealerships. I do most of my own work, or know people who can. That turbo will force a lot of people to have to spend more money at a dealership. Thzt wont work for people, ike me. Dealerships have high costs, and transfer that burden to its customers. That is unxceptable to me, as I dont care about their high costs, and are not willing to pay them.
great video thank you for the update on the new 2022 Tundra, i worked with Volvo through the mid 80's to early 90's during their first generation turbo charging and was a learning curve and averaging about 100k miles, these turbos were only oil cooled and never really had a chance to cool down much, often the oil temp was higher than the coolant temp, 2nd generation the turbos were engineered with cooling passages from the engines cooling system and in testing globally the longevity was increased almost 5 fold and increased more with the introduction of an intercooler and 33 bhp increase with only miner fuel economy changes and all of the NA 4cyl engines and turbo 4's well outlasted Volvos 6 cyl engines easily , to this day there are many Volvo turbo intercooler 4 cyl engines running with over 600 or 700k kilometres so there is longevity intro engines, the biggest change today metallurgy for turbos and the bearings in them turbos now are almost 30% more efficient and smaller and make more power with less boost and last twice as long in many cases with lower EGT's also, Toyota tests for longer periods than most companies so they give the owner the utility and reliability that they look for from Toyota and this is why you'll see less of them having issues than allot of their competitors do, in the end it all comes down to what maintenance you as the owner does with the vehicle, regular oil changes and fallow the schedule that's given to you with your new vehicle, if you use it this way you will get a million miles, most of us won't see half of that and will want the next best thing in a car truck or SUV, any company can build a vehicle to last a million miles, the difference between Toyota and them is Toyota lives it, they do the R&D globally and then give it to the consumer German cars no longer dopa good example is Ford 3.5 EcoBoost engines troubles in the early years now there are lots running around with 25-300k miles on them and not been apart, all the V8's of the 50's and 60's needed valve jobs after 40-50k miles and got better when engineering technologies in a few years, its hard to say any new vehicle is bad they all run quite well with the ECU's in them, some have as many as 70 or 80 units in each vehicle the new Land Rover has an average over 70 in each vehicle that is crazy, that is just the way it is, this new engine will be a good, strong reliable power plant for the Tundra, most of you have to stop and just give it the chance 👍
I had a 1999 850 T5, I sold it to my friend whose uncle was a Volvo tech, the car still run till today, but she only uses it for short trip (one reason why I think the car still run). I thought oil fed turbo was a genius move. It will be interesting to on how Toyota cool their turbo new V6 in their Tundra.
We have exclusively own Toyota vehicle for 45-years for the very reasons this automotive engineered stated, I have had three Camrys roll 500,000 miles, Supra hit 400,000 miles, Celica GTS hit 450,000 miles and my Regular Cab Red Tundra SR5 with the 5.7L (4.79 sec 0-60) hit 475,000 miles but best of all our 1984 Camry Le hit 845,000 and when we sold it, truly we take extreme care of our vehicle, the 1984 Camry LE look so outstanding and in perfect condition with that many miles we sold it for $3000. So yes we are now fully excited for the new Tundra, our last three were superb trucks so can't wait to get this new 2022!
Neighbor has 2011 Ford 3.5L Turbo (1st gen), has over 185K, it runs and drives like a brand new truck. Never anything other than normal maintenance. I'll grant it doesn't LOOK like a brand new truck, because it's a work truck with paint skinned up here and there, little dings that you don't get at the mall parking lot.
My 06 highlander has almost 197k and it’s as smooth as when it was new. Very quiet and smooth v6. We could use a bigger car but the highlander just keeps going strong. Great company.
I am waiting for the MPG on the V6. I will get one when they come out. I have had Toyotas for years the ones i had have been bullet proof i run them for 200,000 + miles with no issues.
@@scottfree6479 i can beat the epa numbers in my 2.7 f150. It all depends upon how you drive. You cannot "keep up with traffic" that zips around city turns and stays on the gas till the light turns red, constantly using the brakes... You have to drive boring, coast to stops. But i can get 28mpg out of a tank, over 500 miles before a 20g refill. I don't do it all the time, but it's possible. (Way easier now that i don't live in a large town). I don't doubt the 'yota will be the same.
@@volvo09 Yeah of course, but you can do similar things with ANY engine. Efficient driving techniques are not limited to eco-boost engines. Meanwhile a big V8 will perform consistently better then more weight you have since it is getting better burn efficiency. Furthermore such driving is not convenient for 95%+ of people.
Strongly disagree with everything that you are saying here. I drive about 33,000 miles a year as a regional VP for my company in Texas. My area is essentially all of Texas and parts of Oklahoma so I drive a lot. I deliver stuff so a 2015 F-150 was the truck I bought for this job specifically. I put 230,000'ish miles on my truck when I sold it in January 2021. For starters, twin-turbo motors need TDI service every 30,000 miles (turbo direct injection). Without it the motor will be destroyed because the high pressure of the fuel to produce the power doesn't allow the full burn of the fuel and you get carbon build-up. That costs me $391 each time. Next, the barrings in my turbo went out at 121,000 miles. That cost me almost $600 with labor to fix. I was pretty upset about that repair but the mechanic said that is pretty normal. BUT worst of all the twin turbos went out at around 210,000 miles (just last year) and that cost me $3,665.00. That price will forever be burned into my mind. That repair made me so angry especially since the vast majority of my miles are highway. The mechanic told me, "we replace these around 150-175k but highway miles let you get over 200,000 on yours. Congrats! That was not what I wanted to hear. I forgot about the oil leak I had in the twin-turbo at around 180,000 miles. I had that fixed at around $400 with labor. Bottom line I hated this truck because I also spent another $5,000 on front-end issues, brake issues, and electronic problems with some accessories. This is why I bought a 2021 Tundra TRD Limited in January and wish I had bought it the first time. Sorry but there is no way the Toyota twin-turbo is going to be much better than what Ford is offering.
alot of what u r saying is true however u have to remember that toyota uses d-4s, port and direct injection on their motors, therefore carbon build up shouldnt be an issue as the port injection cleans the build up.
@@SuperSnakePlissken all of toyota dynamic force motors as of 2017 are d-4s direct and port injected. the v35A, a 3.5 TTv6 thats in the ls500 and land cruiser 300 series employ it. and this will be the same TNGA motor. this motor has been around since 2017
@@marmar7105 Well that is good to hear. That Ford I had was not an overall pleasant experience. By 150,000 miles it reminded me of an old dresser. It got the job done but it rattled, shook, and the fitting by that point was not great. Since I don't have to pay for gas having a 2021 Tundra is a dream.
@@marmar7105 -- Ford added that in Gen II of the 3.5L turbo, in 2017 also. Today, and possibly earlier, all Ford F-Series gas engines have twin injectors (port and direct).
This aged like milk. You should re-title this "TOYOTA ENGINEER EXPLAINS WHY TURBO ENGINE IN 2022 TUNDRA WILL LAST ONE MILLION MILES - as reliable as V8" to save some face.
@@bellboy7286 Not at all mate. What makes you think I implied or thought it was a problem with the turbo to begin with? Anyone who bothered to search it up would know it's bearing failures as a result of leftover "machining debris" from the process of making the block. Read my comment again and think before you spew.
Ugh, GDI is terrible. If they do, they at least need to put an injection event before the intake valves for cleaning. Still, though, that’s more complexity and cost. Damn EPA and GDI…
The Lexus LS 500 2017 and above comes with same TT V6 and has both gdi and multiport so i personally Think that the failure will not happen that regard. Can Anyone weigh in with a High Mileage 2017+ LS 550 TT V6 on Reliability?
I have many Toyotas & Lexuses but you’ll never convince me a much more complicated engine will last longer than a simpler one. Sure if you put in more maintenance (time, energy and money) like what is required of turbo vehicles, it might be acceptably reliable & durable under real world conditions
Lol. Only Dodge I’d ever buy would be a HD Ram, and that’s because they don’t build the Cummins. You buy the engine, it just happens to come packaged in a Ram.
I remember when Toyota got into the half ton market and people were saying "well Toyota has never had a full size V8 truck, it won't last"..... These are the same people now doubting this TT engine.
Plenty of examples of high mileage Tundras so I'd say the truck fared well. My brother's 2006 has no frame issues and we live in Utah where we get snow and shit loads of salt on the road.
My 3.5 ecoboost lasted a whopping 14k miles before cylinder failure and new short block needed. Thats why i drive a 5.7 aTundra now. I ll give Toyota time to work out bugs before i upgrade
Sure, I have a 3.5 EB and have 4 different friends with them none of us have had issues with our 3.5's. I have two friends that have used Tundras the got them cheap because the previous owners got tired of the dismal mpg's. Ford's new 7.3L V8 in a 3/4 ton truck achieves significantly better mpg's than Toyota's 5.7.
Thank you David, i have a 2011 Tundra 5.7L V8 with 260,000 miles, will trade that one come March 2022 for the new Tundra. Nothing wrong with my current truck, i just wanted to try the new TTV6 engine.
All this guy did was repeat the same stuff and said Toyota tests stuff. What about people who tow? How will this engine hold up to 20,000-30,000 miles of towing 3 tons? That's what I want to know and that's why so many people are disappointed. We wanted something that could really compete with a 2500 or 250.
I keep reading about the new tundras turbo waste gate problems and how difficult it is to have the parts replaced. Going to give this model year a miss and wait until the bugs get worked out.
I would never buy the first year model of a powertrain update. I don't care if the same powertrain was in another vehicle, it still takes production side time to perfect their process. Along with real world usage of said vehicle. I usually wait till year 3 in a update cycle unless it's just a face lift.
FYI They are having problems with the 3.5 twin turbo’s In the middle east, several have been documented with engine rebuilds or blown engines at 60 K miles.
Make sure it has a transmission fluid cooler. Make the service manager of the dealership point it out to you. I bought a 2019 Platinum Crewmax and the factory window sticker listed a transmission cooler under “Tow Package”. Except Toyota pulled a quiet cheap-ass stunt and deleted it from the truck. When I found out I was pissing napalm like hundreds of other customers that were shafted. I called Toyota, wrote letters, etc. and Toyota basically gave me the finger. Good luck with that twin turbo engine.
Had this been out in 2019 when I bought my 3.5 ecoboost, I might have just went with the Toyota even though I've been a Ford fan my whole life. Toyota makes solid vehicles. We chose a Highlander over the Explorer and have been very happy with it the past three years
People all bashed the former tundra for its fuel economy and dated interior. They try and give you better gas mileage, new interior and better performance yet people still complaining? Like spoil kids some people are all over the place when it comes to what they want but would expect QDR. I think they did an awesome job with the new tundra and it can only get better with time. All you V8 lovers remind me of my grandmother with the “back in my day” mindset need to know that the future is not waiting on you. Not saying I don’t like tundra v8 power but things always change over time and who not know that better than Toyota(largest manufacturer of vehicles in the world).
Did they start the 100 year UV test after the 2007-2011 Camry? I found it hard to believe they subjected those dash’s to any test like that since they all melted in a 10 year window.
I am sure they did, check out 1997-2001 Camry. No one said those years got shitty interior in Southern California. 2007-11 Camry used different part suppliers. Just like what happened in certain run away V6 scandals happened over a decade ago.
Sorry Engineer, the 3.4 Twin Turbo engines are spinning bearings and blowing up left and right, not that great of an engine afterall. Wait times for a new short block are two to three months.
V6 tt only replaces the v8(tundra,sequoia and landcruiser). I would prefer the Tacoma over 4runner, unless you're going for that 3rd row. You get that bed from the Tacoma!
No doubt it is a good engine, but let's not forget to highlight that when side by side it is unlikely that the v6 will last as long as the V8 under normal to heavy use. Not possible to have a smaller engine produce more power with less wear.
I see your point. But use synthetic oil and change it regularly and your turbo V6 Tundra engine will outlast everything else in the truck and likely you and me 😂
Well said Sean. Not only that don't forget that Toyota tries to tell you that you don't need to change your oil but every 10,000 miles...if all you do is drive highway miles. (mega eye roll). Bottom line 5,000-7,500 miles max on 0w-20.
Im not disappointed the V8 is gone. The V8 is the reason i never picked up a Tundra. People say mpg’s dont matter but they do. Also upgraded tech. Theres a reason the Tundra never out sold the big 3. Reliability is not everything in a world where most people dont keep their vehicles for more than 4-6 years. But if you add reliability to style, tech and great mpg’s? Thats when you have peoples attention. This new Tundra will have all 4 and will out sale the old Tundra easily. Tundra V8 buyers are a small market and Toyota knows this, they also know that they will give in eventually and pick up a new Tundra as well.
Okay I've been on the *"Scotty Kilmer's"* channel & he doesn't answer the question : will my 2010 Tacoma the big V6 engine, be a larger engine than the one they're talking about that will be in the 2022 Tundra ?
Let’s keep in mind that the biggest depreciating asset that people own is their vehicle. You say reliability isn’t everything however Toyota’s reliability is the single biggest factor as to why you can resell these vehicles at close to or above market value when they are used. Electronics and upgraded trim levels are not as important as you think they are. The reality is that those features do not add value to a vehicle. Over time all cars end up having improved tech and materials regardless. So if Toyota is going to ditch the V8 then this V6 better be an improvement on all fronts. Whether you like it or not that old V8 was tried and true. And played a big part in the tundra doing as well as it has done. Also side note smaller engine on a bigger truck doesn’t mean better mpg. On paper it might but in the real world it doesn’t. My 4cyl Tacoma gets terrible gas mileage I fell into that mpg trap myself and wish I would’ve just went with the V6. Especially since having the truck I now tow a lot more than I used to. And the truck struggles, it’s not comfortable doing so even though on paper it can.
@@lightskinninja9340 Problem with the older Tundra was there is not a lot of things that will cause the masses to over look the MPG’s. Theres reliability, but thats it. For instance look at ford, most people look past their problems because it comes with new tech and features. Where as the Tundra all you get is reliability. At some point it becomes boring. This is not the 90’s, 80’s, 70’s, 60’s ect ect…. Where a truck is supposed to be simple just to get the job done. Now days 80% of people use their trucks for non truck things lol. This is why the Tundra loses in sales. And i sold my 2017 Tacoma with a 4” lift 6months ago, i was still getting 22-24mpgs on it. Which is worth it. As for reliability with Toyota as a whole? The reliability aspect of a Tundra does not matter cause its so outdated. Everything else is not outdated and thats why they sell good. Im not bashing on the Toyota Tundra, this is just my opinion as to why it does not sell as much. But i will be getting the all new Tundra and my gf will be getting the new Highlander XSE💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 Here in Hawaii Toyotas are Royalty so im not hating at all.
@@rulerofall2320 I agree Toyota’s very late to the party when it comes to innovation. But at this point that’s kind of their identity. They are very much an “if it’s not broken don’t fix it” kind of company. Which is why I don’t think they would change things up unless they where very confident in what they can bring out. They may not out sale the competition but they aren’t doing bad by any means.
The tundra v8 is a workhorse and was smooth, economical and powerful. Less cylinder pressures, less complexity etc. Ive owned both and if reliability was my main focus(which it is nowadays) then I'd choose naturally aspirated ALL DAY LONG. Bring back the v8 but do a hydrogen one maybe!?
I've seen this mistake many times with many different technologies. Continuous operation in a lab does not necessarily translate to long life in the customers hands. It is possible to simulate real world conditions, starts, stops, hot, cold, rpms up and down, etc etc. Many manufacturers don't do this. They rely on the "continuous on" testing to prove how reliable their products are. I'm hoping Toyota is smarter than that, but I won't hold my breathe....
100% agree. Hey Toyota, would you like to address how many 'rust belt' specific issues the Tundra has had over the years? What, don't they salt the roads in your endurance laboratory? Let's see the 'Tow it from Phoenix to Flagstaff simulation'.
Yes! Watch the first series of these get plagued with issues like every car that goes into production. The first three years almost always come with the most issues because of real condition usage. We knew Toyota was going to mass produce a v6 twin turbo long ago with their test bed at Le Mans, with a successful victory at that. Still, even with more advanced technology today I don't think a turbocharged engine will last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
With the hundreds of millions of dollars involved in developing a truck and powertrain you can bet the powertrain has been tested all over the world in 2nd gen Tundras or other Toyota trucks in severe duty. Their reputation for reliability was earned.
Any commute vehicle long distance from A to B. Many from different auto manufacturers run in the excess of 1-2 million miles. One Volvo reaches 3 million miles. Google it.
I grew up on Toyota's. Corolla, Tercel, R22 mini truck. Then drove a 3 year old Buick hand-me-down for a few years. Complete disaster. Bad auto transmission lockup pin, heater core leaked, ABS malfunctioned all before 100k miles. After I started making some decent money. I bought an Infiniti G35 thinking it was going to be much better than the Skylark. It was, but not by much. Bad seat switches, bad control arm bushings, leaking shocks, and it kept eating oil. Bought the 2016 Tacoma (1st year). Just paid it off. Not one problem. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
Get an 18-21 you will be very happy. No Premium, Less Frequent oil changes, the engine is a beast. Awesome Truck seriously. Plus the headlights look the best to me in those models.
All my family drive Toyota and Lexus (6) and the most high miles is 179.000 Tacoma 2013 & 150.000 Tundra 2012. The most I like is air conditioning “ít very very goooooood” 👍
Having owned turbo engines several times, my experience has me saying BS to a turbo charged engine being as reliable. This is going in a truck, not a sedan. I will never own another turbo charged engine in a truck again.
I too have owned a ton of turbo engines. Turbo 4cyls, twin and single turbo in-line 6s, twin turbo v6s, and twin turbo v8s. There are plenty of unreliable turbocharged engines out there. However I can’t think of a single engine that’s unreliable simply because it’s turbocharged. Usually it’s one of two things, proper maintenance not performed, or a design flaw in the engine itself. Some of the MOST reliable engines ever produced are turbocharged (diesels).
@@scottroseberry7322 I was unfortunate enough to have the F350 with the 6.0, and I also had an Eco Boost (3.5). The 6.0 was junk, which everyone came to realize, and the EB was a decent commuter, but had severe overheating issues. It was also too under powered to use as an actual truck. I drive an Econoline van for work with the twin turbos. Huge pile of junk. I have also owned two Duramax diesels, which I had far fewer problems with, but cost a small fortune to maintain.
Let's not forget that this Tundra may be a hybrid. The electric motors will play crucial part on making up the power gap between v6 and v8. We all know Toyota is the king of hybrid technology and it could potentially be the secret sauce in making the engine lasts 1 million miles.
The "power gap" is that the NA V8 makes LESS power than the 3.5L V6 turbo. The Tundra 5.7L V8 is rated 381hp/401 tq. The standard 3.5L V6 turbo in the Ford is rated 400hp/500 tq with the HP variant rated 450hp/510 tq. I'm pretty sure that Toyota is shooting for 410-425 hp, 475-500 tq. (FWIW the 3.5L turbo V6 in the GT supercar is rated 647hp / 550 tq.)
But what about 2 million? The V8s Toyota on tundra that hit a million miles was torn down for evaluation. Toyota said the engine was good for another MILLION miles. Shit the V8s can probably go 3!!
The 2JZ GTE is a testament that turbocharged engines can be just as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine. Even at 1000 hp with the correct aftermarket parts, bolt torque, and tuning they will run forever. The 2JZ is one of my favorite turbocharged engines so are the Volvo red block i4 turbos, turbo i5s, and turbo i6s. As well as the Mitsubishi Mivec 2.0 turbo 4s and 3.0 twin turbo V6s.
I have to disagree. Running on a dyno does not simulate time over time. Part of an engine's demise is the heating/cooling cycles and acid load in the oil degrading the internals. This is something that cannot be tested except with the passing of time. I am not saying the engine is not good, but I think going with this configuration in the new Tundra is not the best idea. Just remember the Toyota oil sluding engine, that obviously got past the super "testing" they did.....
Case in point: Porsche Cayenne turbo is way less reliable and more expensive to maintain. You think Porsche doesn't test their engines too? These are costs from every day users, not people racing these cars. The turbo engines have more issues, cost more to keep, and don't last as long. I don't think Porsche is running 30 year old tech either... This video (ua-cam.com/video/zkcCU2_iPI0/v-deo.html) has less of a "fanboy" take, and addresses real concerns. Running an engine nonstop is ideal for turbos, it is starting and stopping that kills it. Also makes no sense with a mild hybrid system. Cold weather is also an issue.
Ok I agree with some of your statements but I must disagree with you. You over exaggerate how much testing Toyota does on there vehicles and I will even go further and say they have not taken into a complaint that I personally made almost 7 years ago. I currently have a business that i have run for more than 22 years. I always buy tundras. I run them for between 150k-300k miles. I always have/own a minimum of 4-5 tundras at any one time. I own 4 right now. Do you know what the weak link is and always has been? The brakes! That’s right the brakes, its a known problem by any mechanic that works on these trucks. When I called Toyota they acted like they never heard of the problem and obviously haven’t upgraded them. The brakes last me on average about 10-15k miles and you have to buy new rotors each time. This gets expensive. For the millionth time, upgrade the brakes on these trucks and/or offer an upgrade for people that want that. I do use these trucks to carry things. It’s not used as a car. Make it a bit more heavy duty. The rotors easily warp causing the steering wheel to shake. I’m driving a tundra right now and guess what the steering wheel shakes. So much for as you say extensive testing and customer feedback. I suggest you scale back your marketing propaganda campaign for Toyota as it’s not 100 percent accurate. I wish it was.
I know the new engine is going to be a beast, but I want the 5.7. I was waiting for the new tundra, but I’m not liking the looks of the exterior and interior. Friday I ended up buying a 2021. Love the V8 sound.
Yeah....it's 2022 and imma stick with older Toyotas. These new ones aren't built the same. Buying me an 08 09 Toyota soon. These older Toyotas can last 25 years minimum.
Engines are know to blow up before 40k? Damn dude... do you know how many have blown up? Cause mine is a 22 with 40k now. And everything is OK lol. Let me guess. It's gonna happen soon right? I don't see toyota having 1% of failures in all the new gen tundras out there. 1% still bad but better than every other brand on the full size pick up world. Just saying
@@blinkguy4ever I mean I hope that your Tundra is fine because it's your hard earned money but it really is interesting why Tundra owners all over are reporting this specific issue with spun main bearings at such early mileage. The car guy online has a video about it that summarizes the issue in his channel if you're interested in watching.
I like Toyota a lot, and my daily car is a 2005 Lexus ES330. (Boring but nice and reliable.) I bought a truck a few years ago and was not sure what to get. A new F150 with the 3.5 Turbo V6 cost not much more than a recent Tundra V8 pickup. I went with the F150 because its around town mpg's are better than the V8 Tundra's highway mpgs. I've gotten over 24mpg on the highway at 60-65 mph with the AC on, with my F150, and around town it's easy to get 17. The V8 Tundra was rated at maybe 17 mpg highway. Also I like the F150's all aluminum body and the fact that the truck weighs 600-700 lbs less and won't rust out. I'm sure the Tundra is great! But I've got no regrets, loving my F150, perfect so far.
I can’t put my finger on it but Toyota definitely has the “secret sauce” when is comes to durability, longevity and reliability. We have a large fleet of trucks at the utility I work for and the technicians rarely have to make repairs to the Toyota trucks. The Big 3 trucks are another story. They keep the mechanics and the local auto parts store busy!
@@cl3410 Chrysler has traditionally been shit when it comes to reliability and dependability. They are trying to improve though, and have had some success in recent years, but still have a long way to go. GM is a little better, but there newer cars have had a number of electronic issues. Ford is the best of the big 3 currently, but still far behind Toyota. The numbers show this. When you look at reliability and dependability data, Toyota out performs the competition. Same with Lexus when compared to other luxury brands. The 1st RX gen RX300 had transmission issues. Both my brother and cousin had problems with theirs. But that's not the standard, its the outlier. You are right in regards to American cars improving their quality and dependability. However, Toyota hasn't been sitting with their thumb up their asses. They are always striving to improve. Reliability and dependability are their selling point, and if they lose that, they they would be utterly fucked. Consumers decide with their wallets based on their experiences. And if Toyota slips, people will go elsewhere. Toyota isn't perfect by any measure, but they do out perform the competition with regards to dependability and reliability. The 5.7L Tundra proved itself to be the most dependable and reliable pickup. I am pretty sure Toyota will do everything in their power to not fuck that up with the 3.5L TT. That being said, competition is good. Because when companies compete, consumers win. ua-cam.com/video/qIUiAuA8rZQ/v-deo.html
Own a Toyota and Chevy and I would say the Toyota is built like a tank and the Chevy like a Hummer, but then again I do have the 4Runner and Tahoe. Chevy trucks very reliable but cars I don’t believe so much so. Overall Toyota better quality I also own a Camry but they do up charge you for that dependability
@@cl3410 I had a 2009 GMC Sierra 4X4 , Z71 package with the 6.6 L Duramax diesel. Towed a 32 ft fifth wheel trailer/camper that weighed 10,000 lbs. all over hell and back. I only ever had to replace a glow plug and that was the extent of repairs to that truck. I’m 68 yrs old and didn’t want to prep and haul the trailer any more soI traded it in for a 2021 Tacoma TRD Sport. This was two months ago and the Toyota dealer was very glad to have my 09 GMC truck in the current truck shortage, so I got an outstanding price. That truck didn’t need the DEF fluid, didn’t have cylinder deactivation or the run stop crap. I miss it because of nostalgia but not because it gave me any trouble. Rule: Take care and maintain your vehicle.
Let's do some math: If we run an engine at a "highway speed" of 70 mph non-stop it will do 613 000 miles per year. So, to run it with oil changes and other maintenance/inspections it will take around 1.7 years for 1M miles and 8.5 years for 5M miles. Turbo engines don't like start/stop-cool/heat cycles. To properly test an engine with these real conditions engineers need to switch it off, let naturally cool down for a couple of hours and start again. It extends 1M mile testing to 5 years if everything works perfect. If something fails prematurely and they need to re-design and start testing again, this process will take easily a few decades. Has this engine been in development since late 90th then?
My biggest concern is the repair cost increase from a non-turbo to a turbo engine. There seems to be more parts and systems to replace as they wear out over time.
I don't think you need to worry about that. A turbocharged engine is not that different than a normal naturally aspirated. Heck, the components that have broken on my VW Beetle Turbo 2.0 TSI are non-turbo components, and the damage is because of the fact that it's a VW with cheap parts. I'm pretty sure the cost of repair shouldn't increase, at least not as much as you would think. I haven't spent more on my Turbo Beetle repairs than my parents have on their naturally aspirated Mitsubishis. And the Beetle is over 10 years old.
it will cost a lot more. The turbo is 5k+ just for the part. From what I gather, the entire cab has to come off to replace it. Of course that alone will cost a lot....
Then explain to me house the plastics in some of the 2008 Lexus IS-Fs started to become sticky as the years went by. What happened to their testing methods? Lexus is owned by Toyota.
I had a 2013 3.5 Ecoboost for 7 years no issues. I now have a Hemi Ram and it’s a beast. Toyota makes decent vehicles so we will have to wait until 2023 to see how it pans out.
Your speech was very compelling, but I am not so easily persuaded unless you can explain what sort of improvements have been made in turbo systems that would make them last longer. I have seen 1000+ hp engines on NRE channel with glowing exhaust hold up for several minutes on the Dino, but you haven’t explained what Toyota has done to manage heat control which is what kills these engines and their components.
@@TheRamGuy I think you mean million miles and yes the engines if not equipped with emissions equipment will do about 1.2million miles before needing a block rebuild. These are are not your power stroke v8 engines. They are 13-18 liters in-line 6 engines that only make 375 to 600hp unless you have a tuned 18 liter which can make 1000 hp. They are huge and have tons of oil like several gallons and gigantic fans. They are also simpler in design than modern engines except the for the def systems. That complexity reduces the life of these engines to about 1/4 of its reliability potential. You will still have to replace turbos on occasion depending on maintenance but you could see 175-200k if you take care of them. Part of the reason these engines last so long is they tend to have highway miles which is optimal for its design. When they are in idle or do off road that changes drastically. Even more so if there are other problems.
I understood that the "100 year equivalent of UV on the dash plastic" answered all questions. (As you caught, he offered near zero information about the turbo engine/system. Yes, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
@Josey Wales. You can’t compare a turbo diesel, with a gasoline engine that is turbo equipped. The diesels run at much lower rpms and the diesel fuel has a much higher compression ratio flash point that it has a much better thermal efficiency. (burns much cooler). Also all highway miles at steadier speeds.
By the way, I am so glad I bought one of the best Toyota engines ever built. The 4.7 liter 2UZFE. One of the best V8 engines ever built. I have a 2005 Lexus GX470. It has 155,000 miles, still goes strong, still maintained well. It is starting to show its age a little. It is 16 years old after all. I am still very proud of it. It is quite a capable off road vehicle. I believe that the 1UZFE 4.0 liter V8 was Toyota's very best engine. All of the UZFE V8s were very good. It seems that the 4.0 takes power upgrades the best. The 4.7 is not built for power upgrades. It is built as a low reving torquey engine, moving a lot of weight with authority. It only weighs 4800 pounds. It is like a small tank. It sounds great and does its job wonderfully.
As a auto mechanic and working on lots of different vehicles, Toyota trucks, in my conversations has always been, especially in the suspension components, "OVER BUILT" I believe what you are saying David, I've owned Toyota's since 1981 we've had different brands in our family throughout my 53 yrs. and I always have owned a Toyota with no issues, unlike the other brands
Thank you for this! I’m eagerly awaiting the next gen 4Runners! I’ll probably wait for the 2024 or 2025 version, but I’m sure the engine and technology for it will be worth the wait!
You're absolutely right! I may have to put them on the 24/7 dyno and run it all day, all week and hopefully hit 1 million miles within one year so that I can trade it for the new 4Runner and do the same thing!
@@AutomotivePress Just eat lots of salmon instead of Big Macs and you will be fine. BTW I have a brilliant idea on how WE can get non-North American models into the country for extremely exclusive Automotive Press testing . I will send you a note ;-)
I have complete faith in Toyota products! My 2008 Tundra Crewmax Limited with 307,000 miles still runs like a champ! I will be upgrading to the 2022 Hybrid!
Under light loads a 6 cylinder Turbo may last, but under heavy loads and frequent towing how can a 6 cylinder be as durable as an 8 cylinder, it has to work harder, run hotter, simple physics.
It takes "X" amount of energy to move any given "heavy load". The load doesn't care if the engine is a V6 or a V8, NA or forced induction. Assuming the overall efficiency is equal (or nearly so as indicated by fuel consumption) then the ENERGY IN, minus efficiency losses, must equal ENERGY OUT. Volumetric efficiency shows that a boosted engine is more efficient. This is one reason diesel's are more efficient than gassers. So in the end the 6 turbo does not "work harder", it performs the same amount of work as a NA V8, to move the same load. You mention "hotter", the removal of heat is what coolers/radiators are for. Physics is your friend.
Most of these light trucks carry nothing heavier than a few bags of fertilizer or bags of golf clubs. I was just heartened to hear this engineer state that it wasn't necessary to idle these engines after long runs unlike other turbos. Buyers will have to be more diligent with maintenance unlike the virtual 'drive it and forget it' V8's.
If Scooty were right about ANYTHING, then Ford, GM, Chrysler, AND NOW TOYOTA would either already be out of business or will be before the end of next year. I watch him for laughs. Turbo's don't "short the engine's life" unless you neglect maintenance. Turbo's are more demanding -- just like a diesel is more demanding. Skip, or cheapen up on the maint and you'll have a mess on your hands, turbo gas engine or any diesel whether the diesel has a turbo or not.
@@glenatgoogle4393 I mean that’s kinda exactly what he says u can’t lack on maintenance like NA engines that being said the fact a lot of companies do make shity engine and shity turbo design combinations is another topic.
Guess the UV testing wasn't done on the light housing for 2017 Camry's That thing started yellowing and went opaque within a year under the Texas sun, both sides evenly though..
I'd like to point out that my 1997 T100 has none of the exciting features of a modern truck. All this poor relation can claim is 442k miles, no leaks or problems with the original 3.4 engine, and 26mpg combined. Boy, do I ever need a new truck that costs the moon.
@@wtsane5449 I didn’t even know that kind of mpg was possible in a T100. I’ve got an FJ40 still going with the original 2F. No matter how I drive it, it gets 10-12 mpg.
I’ve always had complete confidence in Toyota. Sitting in my 2000 Tundra right now with 291,000 miles on it, I have been skeptical about getting one of the new ones with the turbos. But I think Toyota will be just as reliable in their new trucks as their old ones. I plan on getting a new one soon.
I remember hearing on UA-cam a jeep mechanic felt the wrangler V6 should be able to do over 200,000 miles before having problems. First thought I had was “That’s all?” Non turbo V6? …..Just for comparison.
I agree with you regarding the long term reliability of the V6 turbo that’s well maintained. Kaizen has proven to be Toyota’s long term advantage. One concern I have on my 2020 Tacoma is the use of plastics on various engine components. Particularly engine cooling system components. I worry about long term fatigue, cracking and coolant leaks. One particular component is at the back of the engine. It’s hard to fix. They have to remove the cab of the truck to access it. Especially the 2016 & 17’s Tacoma’s. I wish they would have continued with metal on these critical components.
2017 taco owner here. 5 years no issues, Toyota serviced, 5 state inspections(tough state requirements). I have not seen what you are talking about except for the oil filter housing and you don’t need to remove the body of the truck. Please tell me which plastic part I need to replace by removing the entire truck body.
I have an 5.7L 08 toyota tundra with 170k miles and it's been the best truck without any major problems only thing i replaced was the break light switch down on the break pedal. Wish toyota would donate a new tundra to me.
Testing an engine over a million miles and not turning it off is not the equivalent of one million miles of daily driving. I know the oil system is “supposed to hold oil pressure” when it’s off but you can’t convince me there is no leak down as your still kind of starting not fully pressurized. For instance on a cold morning it takes a couple of seconds for oil to make it to overhead cam (you hear clattering for a few seconds). I’m not saying the twin turbo V6 will won’t be a good engine, I just don’t believe constant running of an engine is a good test for daily driving.
@@AutomotivePress I hope that Toyota proves that my skepticism is misplaced, as their vehicles have never let me down. I drive a '14 Scion TC and my wife drives an '09 RAV4, and they've both been amazing. I'm looking into getting a truck when car prices come back down to humanoid levels, and I still haven't made up my mind whether it's going to be a Tundra or a Tacoma.
This “engineer” doesn’t make much sense to me. Telling me this engine will last a million miles, if that was true it would come with a million mile warranty. I’ve got. 2007 tundra and the emissions cost a fortune to maintain, so when he tells me how these trucks are tested, I’ve got a hard time believing him.
I have a 2021 4.0 4runner. I wondering if toyota has a system that pumps oil first then ignites the car to prevent dry starts? Does going to ACC mode for a few seconds then turning the car
I'm still waiting to hear why mechanically they can last as long Details in the metallurgy and type of turbos and their bearing types.....plus types of oils to be used?
yeah I just hope they make the turbos easy enough to service, without needing to pull the cab off for their replacement. Literally any engine is going to have turbo issues at some point, unless it is a really understressed and overbuilt set of turbos that they had from the factory, like those in some older diesel engines. But these are micro turbos compared to those big diesel engine turbos. Every manufacturer has had trouble with small turbos, be it Mitsubishi, Ford, Volkswagen, BMW, GM, and I'm sure there are others
Time will tell. I think the fuel mileage improvement will be a good balance. Have a 2014 Toyota Highlander with the basic 3.5 litre V6 and it runs like new 350,000 kms. Not turbo charged but alot of development goes into these things. Hoping to check them out. Liked the 4.7 V8 which was dropped after 2019 year I believe.
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This didn't age well, tons of engine failures have been reported
Has nothing to do with the turbos. Machining debris is the problem and it could’ve happened to any manufacturer.
Turbo will never be more reliable than a NA engine! It could be a reliable engine but never more reliable than a NA. Cmon
Toyota and Yamaha are very similar in many ways. It takes them a long time to come to market but when they put out something new it is done right. Two very strong companies.
Bartender!!! One beer to this señor.
Actually they both have partnered up in early years when the Toyota celica was built in 2000 to 2005 the engine was Yamaha, if you ever get a chance to look under the hood, look on the passenger side on the back side of engine you will see YAMAHA 👍
@@itsjustme4222 No sorry, I would have to beg to differ. The Chrysler Corporation is the best automotive manufacturer to be created.
KIDDING! No way!
Yamaha comes out with a piano and Toyota comes out with the Lexus LC500, uhh I though you guys were supposed to be making the same thing?? Scratches head😳
@@itsjustme4222 True, however that engine was not their finest work, it had a lot of issues which some speculate, including Scotty Kilmer as to why Toyota stopped making that car, I miss it!
On the other hand Yamaha tuned the exhaust not of the Lexus LFA, and that was a huge success 👍
Take care🇨🇦🍻🤙
This video didn't aged too well. Now we have customers complaining about this engine as well as the fit and finish. No, not a good excuse that the product is new because a lot of rigorous testing takes place before production begins.
Not really..most engines have some issues in the first couple yours..same as the 5.8v8 when it came out.
Less than .1% of the new Tundras have had engine issues. I've had 2 Tundras with the TTV6 and no issues. Just silky smooth and very powerful.
The only complaint I’m seeing is people expected better gas mileage. Fit and finish look for a different video.
@mangravy2000 when you spend your hard earned money , it's not just fuel efficiency , looks but also fit and finish. Confused about looking else where for fit and finish. It's my overall opinion of the product itself
@raymondpoh bought a 2024 tundra..fit and finish is on point...
I think those issues have been solved.
A twin turbo lasting 1 million miles….come on man.
It'll take me 18 to 20 years to total 200K miles. If it's bullet proof that long I'm delighted.
Coming from the Eco boost I just don’t understand how this is possible
@@adamgarcia9839 I had the ecoboost before o bought my tundra… it needed engine overhaul at 47k miles… go figure.
@@michaelbosisto6259 mine only made it to 87k, mostly driven by my wife. Did all the PMs myself and was over the top on them. Luckily we had extended warranty soon as it was fixed traded it in for a sequoia
His credibility is taking a major hit here. A simulated run in Toyota’s clean room does not represent real world use.
11 years I lived in Japan, my 91 Forerunner was a Turbo, so was my Skyline, and my Jimmy (Suzuki Samurai). Turbos are the BEST
This was just recommended to me in May 2024 as Toyota recalled their turbo engines in Lexus and Tundra... Dang. Aged like milk
I like to think that the reason Toyota took so long to develop the new Tundra is because they completed the necessary R&D to deliver a reliable engine for this platform… time will tell 🤞🏽
@@User43776 welcome to the club
@@User43776 You could also buy an F250 with the 6.2 V8. The GM 6.6 V8 and the RAM 6.4 V8 are good as well, but you have to buy an HD. I’m sure the Tundra twin turbo V6 will be bulletproof after a year or two. There is always some minor issues that testing won’t catch. I’m not a fan of the current Tundra with the short van like hood.
Hopefully the transmission and suspension are updated. Too many issues with ball joints and control arms and overheated transmission.
Ding ding ding ding ding.
@@AlaskanSnowLeopard what’s the ding ding sound
As a long time Toyota Tundra owner I have complete confidence in their engineering and manufacturing abilities. I venture to say that the majority of owners have experienced above average reliability and satisfaction with Toyota products.
If they are that good, then it's amazing they only sell about 1/8 as many as Ford sells F-series*. Fleets keep meticulous records about cost of ownership. Toyota has virtually zero of the commercial fleet truck business. Ford has close to 50% of that business.
*Toyota built their San Antonio plant with the intent of producing 200,000 per year. Only one year (2007) did they even got close. The last 10 years they've averaged 112,500 per year or roughly half of the designed capacity of the plant.
I agree, can't wait to test drive the new Tundra.
What Tundra do you have though? There are a lot of reported issues with the 2007-2010 5.7L. Valve spring catastrophic failures and the air injection pumps being the main ones. Some of the valve issues were happening under 75k miles and destroyed the engine. I love Toyota, I wouldn't own anything else, but there are plenty of things they don't get right too.
@@oldowl4290 I still own a 2005 Tundra 4.7 with 320,000 miles and a 2021, it's a great truck and I really like it, but due to the current economic fuel trends it is leaving my possession. I will opt for the 3.5 TT some time in the future.
@@kennethreynolds8 I'm shopping for an 05-06 or 07-12. I need a weekender work truck but also want to offroad/overland. I'm leaning to the 1st gen but also like the 2nd gen a lot. I need to compare weights and tow capacity. I know the 2nd gen is heavier and larger but it's not a deal breaker. I do like the 1st gen however from the standpoint of putting in a manual transmission and xfer case. A few people have done it in last 4 years and a few places offer adapter plates now.
You said it yourself @ 3:46: "Yes, perhaps they're a little bit more delicate than a standard V8 engine..." These twin-turbo V6 engines won't take kindly to the abuse and neglect that the old 5.7 was able to endure.
I was thinking the same lol. I'll stick with my V8 until they work all the kinks out
Some are opposed to turbo gas engines, say they will wear out too quickly etc. But if the engine is designed to BE turbocharged from the start, with proper lubrication, bearing sizes, cooling etc. they are made to handle the power, just as a bigger v8 came with bigger bearings than a small v8. In the old days, taking a regular gas engine and adding a turbocharger DID push the engine beyond what it was designed to produce, but that was then.
Good point
Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing Toyota guarantee their turbochargers for a million miles. In writing.
I think Toyota will ultimately make another reliable engine. Accelerated wear testing is not exactly real world testing. Heat cycles and extreme climate conditions play a part in longevity, especially in seals.
the engine might be good, but putting so many eggs in one basket is foolish. Should that turbo fail, the costs will be very high to replace...no thank you
@@aarontaylor9413buy a horse that one not fail😂
@@aarontaylor9413 how so? Replacing a turbo is not that expensive, turbos operate off of exhaust heat so all that could fail are bearings, which are built very well today. Cars are designed to operate at a specific air fuel ration so if turbo fails the engine management system will reduce fuel being supplied to engine?
Or I can just avoid a vehicle with an expensive turbo.
Not expensive? Its more than 5k just for the turbo...then to replace it is a major job. I hate, I mean utterly HATE rip off dealerships. I do most of my own work, or know people who can. That turbo will force a lot of people to have to spend more money at a dealership. Thzt wont work for people, ike me. Dealerships have high costs, and transfer that burden to its customers. That is unxceptable to me, as I dont care about their high costs, and are not willing to pay them.
great video thank you for the update on the new 2022 Tundra, i worked with Volvo through the mid 80's to early 90's during their first generation turbo charging and was a learning curve and averaging about 100k miles, these turbos were only oil cooled and never really had a chance to cool down much, often the oil temp was higher than the coolant temp, 2nd generation the turbos were engineered with cooling passages from the engines cooling system and in testing globally the longevity was increased almost 5 fold and increased more with the introduction of an intercooler and 33 bhp increase with only miner fuel economy changes and all of the NA 4cyl engines and turbo 4's well outlasted Volvos 6 cyl engines easily , to this day there are many Volvo turbo intercooler 4 cyl engines running with over 600 or 700k kilometres so there is longevity intro engines, the biggest change today metallurgy for turbos and the bearings in them turbos now are almost 30% more efficient and smaller and make more power with less boost and last twice as long in many cases with lower EGT's also, Toyota tests for longer periods than most companies so they give the owner the utility and reliability that they look for from Toyota and this is why you'll see less of them having issues than allot of their competitors do, in the end it all comes down to what maintenance you as the owner does with the vehicle, regular oil changes and fallow the schedule that's given to you with your new vehicle, if you use it this way you will get a million miles, most of us won't see half of that and will want the next best thing in a car truck or SUV, any company can build a vehicle to last a million miles, the difference between Toyota and them is Toyota lives it, they do the R&D globally and then give it to the consumer German cars no longer dopa good example is Ford 3.5 EcoBoost engines troubles in the early years now there are lots running around with 25-300k miles on them and not been apart, all the V8's of the 50's and 60's needed valve jobs after 40-50k miles and got better when engineering technologies in a few years, its hard to say any new vehicle is bad they all run quite well with the ECU's in them, some have as many as 70 or 80 units in each vehicle the new Land Rover has an average over 70 in each vehicle that is crazy, that is just the way it is, this new engine will be a good, strong reliable power plant for the Tundra, most of you have to stop and just give it the chance 👍
Thank you for the information. You do need to proof read your submission.
I had a 1999 850 T5, I sold it to my friend whose uncle was a Volvo tech, the car still run till today, but she only uses it for short trip (one reason why I think the car still run). I thought oil fed turbo was a genius move. It will be interesting to on how Toyota cool their turbo new V6 in their Tundra.
We have exclusively own Toyota vehicle for 45-years for the very reasons this automotive engineered stated, I have had three Camrys roll 500,000 miles, Supra hit 400,000 miles, Celica GTS hit 450,000 miles and my Regular Cab Red Tundra SR5 with the 5.7L (4.79 sec 0-60) hit 475,000 miles but best of all our 1984 Camry Le hit 845,000 and when we sold it, truly we take extreme care of our vehicle, the 1984 Camry LE look so outstanding and in perfect condition with that many miles we sold it for $3000. So yes we are now fully excited for the new Tundra, our last three were superb trucks so can't wait to get this new 2022!
We currently own 2016 F`150 with 2.7 ecoboost engine and so far 5 years and no problems. I have no issues with new turbo engines.
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That's why I bought the 3.5 eco boost, knew multiple friend that have that engine, have only smiles on their faces when they talk about it.
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I will say that my 2013 tundra with 130k miles still runs and drives like a brand new truck.
187K on my 4Runner and that thing isn't showing any signs of slowing down. I completely agree with you on that.
Neighbor has 2011 Ford 3.5L Turbo (1st gen), has over 185K, it runs and drives like a brand new truck. Never anything other than normal maintenance. I'll grant it doesn't LOOK like a brand new truck, because it's a work truck with paint skinned up here and there, little dings that you don't get at the mall parking lot.
I just finished watching a video of the million mile tundra
Lol and gets 13mpg highway lol. My 6.2 sierra gets 18 city. Got it
My 06 highlander has almost 197k and it’s as smooth as when it was new. Very quiet and smooth v6. We could use a bigger car but the highlander just keeps going strong. Great company.
I am waiting for the MPG on the V6. I will get one when they come out. I have had Toyotas for years the ones i had have been bullet proof i run them for 200,000 + miles with no issues.
The EPA numbers are going to be a lie like usual with turbo v6s
@@scottfree6479 i can beat the epa numbers in my 2.7 f150.
It all depends upon how you drive. You cannot "keep up with traffic" that zips around city turns and stays on the gas till the light turns red, constantly using the brakes...
You have to drive boring, coast to stops. But i can get 28mpg out of a tank, over 500 miles before a 20g refill.
I don't do it all the time, but it's possible. (Way easier now that i don't live in a large town).
I don't doubt the 'yota will be the same.
@@volvo09 Yeah of course, but you can do similar things with ANY engine. Efficient driving techniques are not limited to eco-boost engines.
Meanwhile a big V8 will perform consistently better then more weight you have since it is getting better burn efficiency.
Furthermore such driving is not convenient for 95%+ of people.
Avg 18.4 mpg on my 22.
Strongly disagree with everything that you are saying here.
I drive about 33,000 miles a year as a regional VP for my company in Texas. My area is essentially all of Texas and parts of Oklahoma so I drive a lot. I deliver stuff so a 2015 F-150 was the truck I bought for this job specifically. I put 230,000'ish miles on my truck when I sold it in January 2021.
For starters, twin-turbo motors need TDI service every 30,000 miles (turbo direct injection). Without it the motor will be destroyed because the high pressure of the fuel to produce the power doesn't allow the full burn of the fuel and you get carbon build-up. That costs me $391 each time.
Next, the barrings in my turbo went out at 121,000 miles. That cost me almost $600 with labor to fix. I was pretty upset about that repair but the mechanic said that is pretty normal. BUT worst of all the twin turbos went out at around 210,000 miles (just last year) and that cost me $3,665.00. That price will forever be burned into my mind. That repair made me so angry especially since the vast majority of my miles are highway. The mechanic told me, "we replace these around 150-175k but highway miles let you get over 200,000 on yours. Congrats! That was not what I wanted to hear.
I forgot about the oil leak I had in the twin-turbo at around 180,000 miles. I had that fixed at around $400 with labor.
Bottom line I hated this truck because I also spent another $5,000 on front-end issues, brake issues, and electronic problems with some accessories.
This is why I bought a 2021 Tundra TRD Limited in January and wish I had bought it the first time.
Sorry but there is no way the Toyota twin-turbo is going to be much better than what Ford is offering.
alot of what u r saying is true however u have to remember that toyota uses d-4s, port and direct injection on their motors, therefore carbon build up shouldnt be an issue as the port injection cleans the build up.
@@marmar7105 Will that be the case on the new motor? Has that been confirmed?
@@SuperSnakePlissken all of toyota dynamic force motors as of 2017 are d-4s direct and port injected. the v35A, a 3.5 TTv6 thats in the ls500 and land cruiser 300 series employ it. and this will be the same TNGA motor. this motor has been around since 2017
@@marmar7105 Well that is good to hear. That Ford I had was not an overall pleasant experience. By 150,000 miles it reminded me of an old dresser. It got the job done but it rattled, shook, and the fitting by that point was not great.
Since I don't have to pay for gas having a 2021 Tundra is a dream.
@@marmar7105 -- Ford added that in Gen II of the 3.5L turbo, in 2017 also. Today, and possibly earlier, all Ford F-Series gas engines have twin injectors (port and direct).
This aged like milk. You should re-title this "TOYOTA ENGINEER EXPLAINS WHY TURBO ENGINE IN 2022 TUNDRA WILL LAST ONE MILLION MILES - as reliable as V8" to save some face.
if you did your research, you know it's not a turbo problem. I just saved your face there
@@bellboy7286 Not at all mate. What makes you think I implied or thought it was a problem with the turbo to begin with? Anyone who bothered to search it up would know it's bearing failures as a result of leftover "machining debris" from the process of making the block.
Read my comment again and think before you spew.
I hope Toyota's twin turbos don't overheat and burnout when towing a heaving load. Talking to EcoBoom.
Eco boost was a horrible design from the beginning , plus it’s a Ford.
That was the first and last Ford I’ll ever buy what a nightmare that pos was
@@wesdonovan821 mine was all stock
@@1FiftyOverland and bad design …
@@1FiftyOverland
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@@adamgarcia9839 You seem so puerile.
I’m willing to wager they will not last as long as my V8, nor be as trouble free, especially if it has gdi injection.
Ugh, GDI is terrible. If they do, they at least need to put an injection event before the intake valves for cleaning. Still, though, that’s more complexity and cost.
Damn EPA and GDI…
The Lexus LS 500 2017 and above comes with same TT V6 and has both gdi and multiport so i personally Think that the failure will not happen that regard. Can Anyone weigh in with a High Mileage 2017+ LS 550 TT V6 on Reliability?
100% Theres no way in hell that any turbo engine is going to be able to be even close to reliability with their v8s
I have many Toyotas & Lexuses but you’ll never convince me a much more complicated engine will last longer than a simpler one. Sure if you put in more maintenance (time, energy and money) like what is required of turbo vehicles, it might be acceptably reliable & durable under real world conditions
@@tundralane256 I'm at 235k with my 07 Camry. Don't have Lexus money lol
That v8 growl though
They will have it. Coming from the speakers. My wife just shot up in value.
@@jeremy9071 yup lol love the v8
That sweet turbo spool though
I’d prefer silence, it’s nice to hear an elk bugle or a Turkey gobble while driving in the woods. The 3.5 ecoboost is so quiet it’s amazing
Turbos aren’t bad if they’re done right. Every Semi on the road has one.
Every semi will need to have them replaced
@@clb_52 yes, but they can last a really long time.
@@clb_52 replacing a turbo>>>replacing an engine
@@danl7442 Both are costly🤑
@@tmr8193 pretty much every semi on the road has one. Better, buddy?
I’d like to see a video of how little Fiat Chrysler tests their products 😂
You mean #1 in initial quality?
Those tests aren’t for their products: they’re for my patience.
They dont
@@mannymotta2174 You mad your brand got beat by FCA in initial quality lmao
Lol. Only Dodge I’d ever buy would be a HD Ram, and that’s because they don’t build the Cummins. You buy the engine, it just happens to come packaged in a Ram.
I remember when Toyota got into the half ton market and people were saying "well Toyota has never had a full size V8 truck, it won't last"..... These are the same people now doubting this TT engine.
How well did those rusty frames hold up? lol
@@dude-yg9ez is this about Toyota or Ford?
@@dude-yg9ez did Ford have to settle a class action lawsuit for rusty frames?
@@brianthompson9485 oh that happened recently? What happened afterwards?
Plenty of examples of high mileage Tundras so I'd say the truck fared well. My brother's 2006 has no frame issues and we live in Utah where we get snow and shit loads of salt on the road.
My 3.5 ecoboost lasted a whopping 14k miles before cylinder failure and new short block needed. Thats why i drive a 5.7 aTundra now. I ll give Toyota time to work out bugs before i upgrade
Amen
Ford still can't figure out trim pieces, dashboards, roof rails, paint etc. Why they would be able to get a decent turbo motor together is beyond me..
@@saisr1 my f150 I had and my sons both had warped dashes.
Sure, I have a 3.5 EB and have 4 different friends with them none of us have had issues with our 3.5's. I have two friends that have used Tundras the got them cheap because the previous owners got tired of the dismal mpg's. Ford's new 7.3L V8 in a 3/4 ton truck achieves significantly better mpg's than Toyota's 5.7.
@@Steve-yr5vi was not my experience at all. Like I said new piston skirt at 14,000 miles and the service at the dealership shameful
Thank you David, i have a 2011 Tundra 5.7L V8 with 260,000 miles, will trade that one come March 2022 for the new Tundra. Nothing wrong with my current truck, i just wanted to try the new TTV6 engine.
Thank you for the detailed info. I’m looking forward to putting at least 200k miles on my new ‘22 Platinum when it finally becomes available.
All this guy did was repeat the same stuff and said Toyota tests stuff. What about people who tow? How will this engine hold up to 20,000-30,000 miles of towing 3 tons? That's what I want to know and that's why so many people are disappointed. We wanted something that could really compete with a 2500 or 250.
I keep reading about the new tundras turbo waste gate problems and how difficult it is to have the parts replaced. Going to give this model year a miss and wait until the bugs get worked out.
I would never buy the first year model of a powertrain update. I don't care if the same powertrain was in another vehicle, it still takes production side time to perfect their process. Along with real world usage of said vehicle. I usually wait till year 3 in a update cycle unless it's just a face lift.
FYI
They are having problems with the 3.5 twin turbo’s
In the middle east, several have been documented with engine rebuilds or blown engines at 60 K miles.
tell me why my tundra alr got its engine replaced and it’s a 22
As an 18 wheel truck driver I see our turbocharged fleet run 800,000 miles on a regular basis
I can’t wait to test the engine out. I tow regularly with heavy loads, hills, and long distances.
I had the LC300 for almost a week, it is definitely quicker than the 5.7 and the fuel consumption is amazing. The 10 speed it great for highways too.
I’m interested to see the towing mpg as these turbo charged V6s tend to get poorer miles per gallon than naturally aspirated V8s when towing.
Why not get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck if you're doing that?
Make sure it has a transmission fluid cooler. Make the service manager of the dealership point it out to you. I bought a 2019 Platinum Crewmax and the factory window sticker listed a transmission cooler under “Tow Package”. Except Toyota pulled a quiet cheap-ass stunt and deleted it from the truck. When I found out I was pissing napalm like hundreds of other customers that were shafted. I called Toyota, wrote letters, etc. and Toyota basically gave me the finger. Good luck with that twin turbo engine.
Ill eat my shoe if any of these engines make it to even half a million
Had this been out in 2019 when I bought my 3.5 ecoboost, I might have just went with the Toyota even though I've been a Ford fan my whole life. Toyota makes solid vehicles. We chose a Highlander over the Explorer and have been very happy with it the past three years
People all bashed the former tundra for its fuel economy and dated interior. They try and give you better gas mileage, new interior and better performance yet people still complaining? Like spoil kids some people are all over the place when it comes to what they want but would expect QDR. I think they did an awesome job with the new tundra and it can only get better with time. All you V8 lovers remind me of my grandmother with the “back in my day” mindset need to know that the future is not waiting on you. Not saying I don’t like tundra v8 power but things always change over time and who not know that better than Toyota(largest manufacturer of vehicles in the world).
Great comment! I agree 100%!
Did they start the 100 year UV test after the 2007-2011 Camry? I found it hard to believe they subjected those dash’s to any test like that since they all melted in a 10 year window.
I am sure they did, check out 1997-2001 Camry. No one said those years got shitty interior in Southern California. 2007-11 Camry used different part suppliers. Just like what happened in certain run away V6 scandals happened over a decade ago.
I agree....same epidemic with the LS460 dash and interior panels
I think it was only an 07 to 09 problem, the issue was fixed for all 2010 plus models
@@notasolutionI got a 11, they all melted, sticky, difficult to clean and reflects in the windshield when sunny. It’s a Made in US Camry…
Sorry Engineer, the 3.4 Twin Turbo engines are spinning bearings and blowing up left and right, not that great of an engine afterall. Wait times for a new short block are two to three months.
A V6 car engine cannot replace a V8 truck engine. I’ll pass with all due respect ✊
I have 99 4runner and still runs like it’s new but I just cannot wait for the 2023 4runner to be released can’t wait to put my hands on em!!
Are they putting the twin turbo v6 in the 4 Runner? I thought it was a 2.0L 4 cylinder. No more V6.
Yea I think they putting 4cyl with turbo tho
@@stickfiggas22 I hope not. I’m out.
I’m going with the 2022 4Rnr this round. It’s solid and maybe a cool flaming ☀️ sun orange will be available on the TRD PRO by 2025 😂
V6 tt only replaces the v8(tundra,sequoia and landcruiser). I would prefer the Tacoma over 4runner, unless you're going for that 3rd row. You get that bed from the Tacoma!
No doubt it is a good engine, but let's not forget to highlight that when side by side it is unlikely that the v6 will last as long as the V8 under normal to heavy use. Not possible to have a smaller engine produce more power with less wear.
Yes it is possible. I can think of a dozen examples.
It’s totally possible lol.
I see your point. But use synthetic oil and change it regularly and your turbo V6 Tundra engine will outlast everything else in the truck and likely you and me 😂
Yes, it’s very possible to do better with less.
Well said Sean. Not only that don't forget that Toyota tries to tell you that you don't need to change your oil but every 10,000 miles...if all you do is drive highway miles. (mega eye roll). Bottom line 5,000-7,500 miles max on 0w-20.
Im not disappointed the V8 is gone. The V8 is the reason i never picked up a Tundra. People say mpg’s dont matter but they do. Also upgraded tech. Theres a reason the Tundra never out sold the big 3. Reliability is not everything in a world where most people dont keep their vehicles for more than 4-6 years. But if you add reliability to style, tech and great mpg’s? Thats when you have peoples attention. This new Tundra will have all 4 and will out sale the old Tundra easily. Tundra V8 buyers are a small market and Toyota knows this, they also know that they will give in eventually and pick up a new Tundra as well.
Okay I've been on the *"Scotty Kilmer's"* channel & he doesn't answer the question : will my 2010 Tacoma the big V6 engine, be a larger engine than the one they're talking about that will be in the 2022 Tundra ?
Let’s keep in mind that the biggest depreciating asset that people own is their vehicle. You say reliability isn’t everything however Toyota’s reliability is the single biggest factor as to why you can resell these vehicles at close to or above market value when they are used.
Electronics and upgraded trim levels are not as important as you think they are. The reality is that those features do not add value to a vehicle. Over time all cars end up having improved tech and materials regardless.
So if Toyota is going to ditch the V8 then this V6 better be an improvement on all fronts. Whether you like it or not that old V8 was tried and true. And played a big part in the tundra doing as well as it has done.
Also side note smaller engine on a bigger truck doesn’t mean better mpg. On paper it might but in the real world it doesn’t. My 4cyl Tacoma gets terrible gas mileage I fell into that mpg trap myself and wish I would’ve just went with the V6. Especially since having the truck I now tow a lot more than I used to. And the truck struggles, it’s not comfortable doing so even though on paper it can.
@@lightskinninja9340 Problem with the older Tundra was there is not a lot of things that will cause the masses to over look the MPG’s. Theres reliability, but thats it. For instance look at ford, most people look past their problems because it comes with new tech and features. Where as the Tundra all you get is reliability. At some point it becomes boring. This is not the 90’s, 80’s, 70’s, 60’s ect ect…. Where a truck is supposed to be simple just to get the job done. Now days 80% of people use their trucks for non truck things lol. This is why the Tundra loses in sales. And i sold my 2017 Tacoma with a 4” lift 6months ago, i was still getting 22-24mpgs on it. Which is worth it. As for reliability with Toyota as a whole? The reliability aspect of a Tundra does not matter cause its so outdated. Everything else is not outdated and thats why they sell good. Im not bashing on the Toyota Tundra, this is just my opinion as to why it does not sell as much. But i will be getting the all new Tundra and my gf will be getting the new Highlander XSE💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 Here in Hawaii Toyotas are Royalty so im not hating at all.
@@rulerofall2320 I agree Toyota’s very late to the party when it comes to innovation. But at this point that’s kind of their identity.
They are very much an “if it’s not broken don’t fix it” kind of company. Which is why I don’t think they would change things up unless they where very confident in what they can bring out.
They may not out sale the competition but they aren’t doing bad by any means.
The tundra v8 is a workhorse and was smooth, economical and powerful. Less cylinder pressures, less complexity etc. Ive owned both and if reliability was my main focus(which it is nowadays) then I'd choose naturally aspirated ALL DAY LONG. Bring back the v8 but do a hydrogen one maybe!?
There is just no hydrogen infrastructure set up and to make hydrogen clean with electrolysis is extremely inefficient.
I've seen this mistake many times with many different technologies. Continuous operation in a lab does not necessarily translate to long life in the customers hands. It is possible to simulate real world conditions, starts, stops, hot, cold, rpms up and down, etc etc. Many manufacturers don't do this. They rely on the "continuous on" testing to prove how reliable their products are. I'm hoping Toyota is smarter than that, but I won't hold my breathe....
Totally agree with you
100% agree. Hey Toyota, would you like to address how many 'rust belt' specific issues the Tundra has had over the years? What, don't they salt the roads in your endurance laboratory? Let's see the 'Tow it from Phoenix to Flagstaff simulation'.
Yes! Watch the first series of these get plagued with issues like every car that goes into production. The first three years almost always come with the most issues because of real condition usage.
We knew Toyota was going to mass produce a v6 twin turbo long ago with their test bed at Le Mans, with a successful victory at that. Still, even with more advanced technology today I don't think a turbocharged engine will last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
With the hundreds of millions of dollars involved in developing a truck and powertrain you can bet the powertrain has been tested all over the world in 2nd gen Tundras or other Toyota trucks in severe duty. Their reputation for reliability was earned.
Any commute vehicle long distance from A to B. Many from different auto manufacturers run in the excess of 1-2 million miles. One Volvo reaches 3 million miles. Google it.
I grew up on Toyota's. Corolla, Tercel, R22 mini truck. Then drove a 3 year old Buick hand-me-down for a few years. Complete disaster. Bad auto transmission lockup pin, heater core leaked, ABS malfunctioned all before 100k miles. After I started making some decent money. I bought an Infiniti G35 thinking it was going to be much better than the Skylark. It was, but not by much. Bad seat switches, bad control arm bushings, leaking shocks, and it kept eating oil. Bought the 2016 Tacoma (1st year). Just paid it off. Not one problem. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
u paid it off in 1 year?
Same here. 2016 trd dc. Great truck
I should have never switched to the GMC AT4 from my 2010 Tacoma ! 😭 I’ll be be getting the new Tundra.
Get an 18-21 you will be very happy. No Premium, Less Frequent oil changes, the engine is a beast. Awesome Truck seriously. Plus the headlights look the best to me in those models.
I have the 2019, 6.2L as well. Must have been built on a Friday. Nothing but problems.
All my family drive Toyota and Lexus (6) and the most high miles is 179.000 Tacoma 2013 & 150.000 Tundra 2012. The most I like is air conditioning “ít very very goooooood” 👍
Having owned turbo engines several times, my experience has me saying BS to a turbo charged engine being as reliable. This is going in a truck, not a sedan. I will never own another turbo charged engine in a truck again.
I too have owned a ton of turbo engines. Turbo 4cyls, twin and single turbo in-line 6s, twin turbo v6s, and twin turbo v8s. There are plenty of unreliable turbocharged engines out there. However I can’t think of a single engine that’s unreliable simply because it’s turbocharged. Usually it’s one of two things, proper maintenance not performed, or a design flaw in the engine itself. Some of the MOST reliable engines ever produced are turbocharged (diesels).
I’ve owned several turbo engine cars and trucks. I’ve had ZERO turbo related issues even after 100K miles.
@@MrBigBoy4Life you have been fortunate. 🙂
Could you share what brand truck you had w/ a turbo? Always like to hear good or bad about specific engines etc?
@@scottroseberry7322 I was unfortunate enough to have the F350 with the 6.0, and I also had an Eco Boost (3.5). The 6.0 was junk, which everyone came to realize, and the EB was a decent commuter, but had severe overheating issues. It was also too under powered to use as an actual truck. I drive an Econoline van for work with the twin turbos. Huge pile of junk. I have also owned two Duramax diesels, which I had far fewer problems with, but cost a small fortune to maintain.
Let's not forget that this Tundra may be a hybrid. The electric motors will play crucial part on making up the power gap between v6 and v8. We all know Toyota is the king of hybrid technology and it could potentially be the secret sauce in making the engine lasts 1 million miles.
The "power gap" is that the NA V8 makes LESS power than the 3.5L V6 turbo. The Tundra 5.7L V8 is rated 381hp/401 tq. The standard 3.5L V6 turbo in the Ford is rated 400hp/500 tq with the HP variant rated 450hp/510 tq. I'm pretty sure that Toyota is shooting for 410-425 hp, 475-500 tq. (FWIW the 3.5L turbo V6 in the GT supercar is rated 647hp / 550 tq.)
But what about 2 million? The V8s Toyota on tundra that hit a million miles was torn down for evaluation. Toyota said the engine was good for another MILLION miles. Shit the V8s can probably go 3!!
@@andrespatino2761 It will take 50 years to reach 1million miles if you drive 20k/year. I think that's good enough for 90% of the people out there.
The 2JZ GTE is a testament that turbocharged engines can be just as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine. Even at 1000 hp with the correct aftermarket parts, bolt torque, and tuning they will run forever. The 2JZ is one of my favorite turbocharged engines so are the Volvo red block i4 turbos, turbo i5s, and turbo i6s. As well as the Mitsubishi Mivec 2.0 turbo 4s and 3.0 twin turbo V6s.
2JZ GTE is a legendary engine, but it is also a heavy bulk piece of cast iron. Not the case with the all-aluminium Toyota twin-turbo V6.
@@artemzhirkov7565 The 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also all aluminum engines. The engine in the million-mile tundra is all aluminum as well.
@@davidperry4013 Yes but the 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also both natural aspirated.
@@davidperry4013 Yes but the 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also both natural aspirated.
I still want nothing to do with a Turbo'ed engine a daily driver. It's just added complexity that I don't need in my vehicles.
So what's the resource (how many miles that 3.5 engine will work that engine without break down ) of 3.5 twin turbo toyota?
I have to disagree. Running on a dyno does not simulate time over time. Part of an engine's demise is the heating/cooling cycles and acid load in the oil degrading the internals. This is something that cannot be tested except with the passing of time. I am not saying the engine is not good, but I think going with this configuration in the new Tundra is not the best idea.
Just remember the Toyota oil sluding engine, that obviously got past the super "testing" they did.....
And truck frame rot. And late '80's head gaskets on the V6 (in the Camry).
Case in point: Porsche Cayenne turbo is way less reliable and more expensive to maintain. You think Porsche doesn't test their engines too? These are costs from every day users, not people racing these cars. The turbo engines have more issues, cost more to keep, and don't last as long. I don't think Porsche is running 30 year old tech either...
This video (ua-cam.com/video/zkcCU2_iPI0/v-deo.html) has less of a "fanboy" take, and addresses real concerns. Running an engine nonstop is ideal for turbos, it is starting and stopping that kills it. Also makes no sense with a mild hybrid system. Cold weather is also an issue.
Ok I agree with some of your statements but I must disagree with you. You over exaggerate how much testing Toyota does on there vehicles and I will even go further and say they have not taken into a complaint that I personally made almost 7 years ago. I currently have a business that i have run for more than 22 years. I always buy tundras. I run them for between 150k-300k miles. I always have/own a minimum of 4-5 tundras at any one time. I own 4 right now. Do you know what the weak link is and always has been? The brakes! That’s right the brakes, its a known problem by any mechanic that works on these trucks. When I called Toyota they acted like they never heard of the problem and obviously haven’t upgraded them. The brakes last me on average about 10-15k miles and you have to buy new rotors each time. This gets expensive. For the millionth time, upgrade the brakes on these trucks and/or offer an upgrade for people that want that. I do use these trucks to carry things. It’s not used as a car. Make it a bit more heavy duty. The rotors easily warp causing the steering wheel to shake. I’m driving a tundra right now and guess what the steering wheel shakes. So much for as you say extensive testing and customer feedback. I suggest you scale back your marketing propaganda campaign for Toyota as it’s not 100 percent accurate. I wish it was.
Wow !! My 2005 Tundra is still running great so I bet these engines are great !!
Nah these new Toyotas aren't the same as the 2000s Toyota. More rigidness, reliability, and performance.
I know the new engine is going to be a beast, but I want the 5.7. I was waiting for the new tundra, but I’m not liking the looks of the exterior and interior. Friday I ended up buying a 2021. Love the V8 sound.
Yeah, I rather have v8 too, I could still twin turbo that v8
Yeah....it's 2022 and imma stick with older Toyotas. These new ones aren't built the same. Buying me an 08 09 Toyota soon. These older Toyotas can last 25 years minimum.
I have a 5.7 v8 crew max 2011, I won't think about buying a tundra until 2030
I'm watching this in 2024... Who remembers the engines blowing up? 😂
2 years later and these engines are known to blow up before 40k. A lot of spun bearing issues, lol.
manufacturing plant defect, not engine design defect
Engines are know to blow up before 40k? Damn dude... do you know how many have blown up? Cause mine is a 22 with 40k now. And everything is OK lol. Let me guess. It's gonna happen soon right? I don't see toyota having 1% of failures in all the new gen tundras out there. 1% still bad but better than every other brand on the full size pick up world. Just saying
@@blinkguy4ever I mean I hope that your Tundra is fine because it's your hard earned money but it really is interesting why Tundra owners all over are reporting this specific issue with spun main bearings at such early mileage. The car guy online has a video about it that summarizes the issue in his channel if you're interested in watching.
@@blinkguy4ever search up 24TA07 and that's all you need to know. Good luck with your Tundra. 😅
@@Richrad91OZ-bk5luI think we're all gonna be fine. That's why I buy toyota. No BS like the big 3
I like Toyota a lot, and my daily car is a 2005 Lexus ES330. (Boring but nice and reliable.) I bought a truck a few years ago and was not sure what to get. A new F150 with the 3.5 Turbo V6 cost not much more than a recent Tundra V8 pickup. I went with the F150 because its around town mpg's are better than the V8 Tundra's highway mpgs. I've gotten over 24mpg on the highway at 60-65 mph with the AC on, with my F150, and around town it's easy to get 17. The V8 Tundra was rated at maybe 17 mpg highway. Also I like the F150's all aluminum body and the fact that the truck weighs 600-700 lbs less and won't rust out. I'm sure the Tundra is great! But I've got no regrets, loving my F150, perfect so far.
I’ve always thought this about Toyota ,Honda generators. Unlike GM ,Ram ,Ford ,we test them and they are in the parts business 😂👍
I can’t put my finger on it but Toyota definitely has the “secret sauce” when is comes to durability, longevity and reliability. We have a large fleet of trucks at the utility I work for and the technicians rarely have to make repairs to the Toyota trucks. The Big 3 trucks are another story. They keep the mechanics and the local auto parts store busy!
Yet when you look at the entire fleet (commercial) pickup market, Toyota is a rounding error of the total.
@@cl3410 I hope you’re joking
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Chrysler has traditionally been shit when it comes to reliability and dependability. They are trying to improve though, and have had some success in recent years, but still have a long way to go. GM is a little better, but there newer cars have had a number of electronic issues. Ford is the best of the big 3 currently, but still far behind Toyota. The numbers show this. When you look at reliability and dependability data, Toyota out performs the competition. Same with Lexus when compared to other luxury brands. The 1st RX gen RX300 had transmission issues. Both my brother and cousin had problems with theirs. But that's not the standard, its the outlier. You are right in regards to American cars improving their quality and dependability. However, Toyota hasn't been sitting with their thumb up their asses. They are always striving to improve. Reliability and dependability are their selling point, and if they lose that, they they would be utterly fucked.
Consumers decide with their wallets based on their experiences. And if Toyota slips, people will go elsewhere. Toyota isn't perfect by any measure, but they do out perform the competition with regards to dependability and reliability. The 5.7L Tundra proved itself to be the most dependable and reliable pickup. I am pretty sure Toyota will do everything in their power to not fuck that up with the 3.5L TT. That being said, competition is good. Because when companies compete, consumers win.
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Own a Toyota and Chevy and I would say the Toyota is built like a tank and the Chevy like a Hummer, but then again I do have the 4Runner and Tahoe. Chevy trucks very reliable but cars I don’t believe so much so. Overall Toyota better quality I also own a Camry but they do up charge you for that dependability
@@cl3410 I had a 2009 GMC Sierra 4X4 , Z71 package with the 6.6 L Duramax diesel. Towed a 32 ft fifth wheel trailer/camper that weighed 10,000 lbs. all over hell and back. I only ever had to replace a glow plug and that was the extent of repairs to that truck. I’m 68 yrs old and didn’t want to prep and haul the trailer any more soI traded it in for a 2021 Tacoma TRD Sport. This was two months ago and the Toyota dealer was very glad to have my 09 GMC truck in the current truck shortage, so I got an outstanding price. That truck didn’t need the DEF fluid, didn’t have cylinder deactivation or the run stop crap. I miss it because of nostalgia but not because it gave me any trouble. Rule: Take care and maintain your vehicle.
Let's do some math: If we run an engine at a "highway speed" of 70 mph non-stop it will do 613 000 miles per year. So, to run it with oil changes and other maintenance/inspections it will take around 1.7 years for 1M miles and 8.5 years for 5M miles. Turbo engines don't like start/stop-cool/heat cycles. To properly test an engine with these real conditions engineers need to switch it off, let naturally cool down for a couple of hours and start again. It extends 1M mile testing to 5 years if everything works perfect. If something fails prematurely and they need to re-design and start testing again, this process will take easily a few decades. Has this engine been in development since late 90th then?
My biggest concern is the repair cost increase from a non-turbo to a turbo engine. There seems to be more parts and systems to replace as they wear out over time.
Same concern here.
I don't think you need to worry about that. A turbocharged engine is not that different than a normal naturally aspirated. Heck, the components that have broken on my VW Beetle Turbo 2.0 TSI are non-turbo components, and the damage is because of the fact that it's a VW with cheap parts. I'm pretty sure the cost of repair shouldn't increase, at least not as much as you would think. I haven't spent more on my Turbo Beetle repairs than my parents have on their naturally aspirated Mitsubishis. And the Beetle is over 10 years old.
it will cost a lot more. The turbo is 5k+ just for the part. From what I gather, the entire cab has to come off to replace it. Of course that alone will cost a lot....
Then explain to me house the plastics in some of the 2008 Lexus IS-Fs started to become sticky as the years went by. What happened to their testing methods? Lexus is owned by Toyota.
It will take about 5 turbos to be replaced to get to 1 million miles.
I had a 2013 3.5 Ecoboost for 7 years no issues. I now have a Hemi Ram and it’s a beast. Toyota makes decent vehicles so we will have to wait until 2023 to see how it pans out.
Your speech was very compelling, but I am not so easily persuaded unless you can explain what sort of improvements have been made in turbo systems that would make them last longer. I have seen 1000+ hp engines on NRE channel with glowing exhaust hold up for several minutes on the Dino, but you haven’t explained what Toyota has done to manage heat control which is what kills these engines and their components.
Semi trucks use turbos and run a million miles easily
@@TheRamGuy they’re also diesels.
@@TheRamGuy I think you mean million miles and yes the engines if not equipped with emissions equipment will do about 1.2million miles before needing a block rebuild. These are are not your power stroke v8 engines. They are 13-18 liters in-line 6 engines that only make 375 to 600hp unless you have a tuned 18 liter which can make 1000 hp. They are huge and have tons of oil like several gallons and gigantic fans. They are also simpler in design than modern engines except the for the def systems. That complexity reduces the life of these engines to about 1/4 of its reliability potential. You will still have to replace turbos on occasion depending on maintenance but you could see 175-200k if you take care of them. Part of the reason these engines last so long is they tend to have highway miles which is optimal for its design. When they are in idle or do off road that changes drastically. Even more so if there are other problems.
I understood that the "100 year equivalent of UV on the dash plastic" answered all questions. (As you caught, he offered near zero information about the turbo engine/system. Yes, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
@Josey Wales. You can’t compare a turbo diesel, with a gasoline engine that is turbo equipped. The diesels run at much lower rpms and the diesel fuel has a much higher compression ratio flash point that it has a much better thermal efficiency. (burns much cooler). Also all highway miles at steadier speeds.
By the way, I am so glad I bought one of the best Toyota engines ever built. The 4.7 liter 2UZFE. One of the best V8 engines ever built. I have a 2005 Lexus GX470. It has 155,000 miles, still goes strong, still maintained well. It is starting to show its age a little. It is 16 years old after all. I am still very proud of it. It is quite a capable off road vehicle. I believe that the 1UZFE 4.0 liter V8 was Toyota's very best engine. All of the UZFE V8s were very good. It seems that the 4.0 takes power upgrades the best. The 4.7 is not built for power upgrades. It is built as a low reving torquey engine, moving a lot of weight with authority. It only weighs 4800 pounds. It is like a small tank. It sounds great and does its job wonderfully.
I would argue the 22RE is right up there with the 4.7. I had an 86 4Runner with that engine with over 340k miles. Indestructible!
As a auto mechanic and working on lots of different vehicles, Toyota trucks, in my conversations has always been, especially in the suspension components, "OVER BUILT" I believe what you are saying David, I've owned Toyota's since 1981 we've had different brands in our family throughout my 53 yrs. and I always have owned a Toyota with no issues, unlike the other brands
I don't believe you. Turbos stress out engines. I'll gladly retain my naturally aspirated V-8 and V-6.
Thank you for this! I’m eagerly awaiting the next gen 4Runners! I’ll probably wait for the 2024 or 2025 version, but I’m sure the engine and technology for it will be worth the wait!
People are finally starting to realize that design is only half the process, you actually have to manufacture a quality product.
David, You need to keep your 2022 Tundra for 1 million miles to underline these claims :D
You're absolutely right! I may have to put them on the 24/7 dyno and run it all day, all week and hopefully hit 1 million miles within one year so that I can trade it for the new 4Runner and do the same thing!
@@AutomotivePress I was thinking of a 25-30 year test drive.
@@rightlanehog3151 Good idea... hopefully I'm around still at that time!
@@AutomotivePress Just eat lots of salmon instead of Big Macs and you will be fine. BTW I have a brilliant idea on how WE can get non-North American models into the country for extremely exclusive Automotive Press testing . I will send you a note ;-)
@@rightlanehog3151 Look forward to the note!
I have complete faith in Toyota products! My 2008 Tundra Crewmax Limited with 307,000 miles still runs like a champ! I will be upgrading to the 2022 Hybrid!
I’m looking forward to the advantages forced air induction will provide at higher altitude.
Me too. Live at over 6k foot elevation
Why did the trucks have a wastegate issue if they are so well tested before they start selling them?
Under light loads a 6 cylinder Turbo may last, but under heavy loads and frequent towing how can a 6 cylinder be as durable as an 8 cylinder, it has to work harder, run hotter, simple physics.
@@charlesjackson1700 yeah rough ride unless hauling something.
Ever heard of building it durable? That's why it will be fine
It takes "X" amount of energy to move any given "heavy load". The load doesn't care if the engine is a V6 or a V8, NA or forced induction. Assuming the overall efficiency is equal (or nearly so as indicated by fuel consumption) then the ENERGY IN, minus efficiency losses, must equal ENERGY OUT. Volumetric efficiency shows that a boosted engine is more efficient. This is one reason diesel's are more efficient than gassers.
So in the end the 6 turbo does not "work harder", it performs the same amount of work as a NA V8, to move the same load. You mention "hotter", the removal of heat is what coolers/radiators are for. Physics is your friend.
Most of these light trucks carry nothing heavier than a few bags of fertilizer or bags of golf clubs. I was just heartened to hear this engineer state that it wasn't necessary to idle these engines after long runs unlike other turbos. Buyers will have to be more diligent with maintenance unlike the virtual 'drive it and forget it' V8's.
@@johnwilliamson2707 Most Toyota buyers actually service their vehicles at the dealer unlike the big 3 who only go to Jiffy Lube.....
Scotty Killmer needs to see this!! he doesn't like turbos on engines, because they shorten their lives!!!!
Scotty Killmer is a click bait shill. If anybody takes anything he says seriously then they deserve whatever mess that gets them in
If Scooty were right about ANYTHING, then Ford, GM, Chrysler, AND NOW TOYOTA would either already be out of business or will be before the end of next year. I watch him for laughs.
Turbo's don't "short the engine's life" unless you neglect maintenance. Turbo's are more demanding -- just like a diesel is more demanding. Skip, or cheapen up on the maint and you'll have a mess on your hands, turbo gas engine or any diesel whether the diesel has a turbo or not.
@@glenatgoogle4393 I mean that’s kinda exactly what he says u can’t lack on maintenance like NA engines that being said the fact a lot of companies do make shity engine and shity turbo design combinations is another topic.
I think he secretly drives a Tesla.
Guess the UV testing wasn't done on the light housing for 2017 Camry's That thing started yellowing and went opaque within a year under the Texas sun, both sides evenly though..
Yeah, I had the same question. I guess no one looked at the lights. Honda's have the same problem.
Im curious to see how long this truck lasts towing a trailer or going over mountain passes, with heavy turbo use! 🤔
Toyota has been testing heavily loaded 2022 Tundras this summer high in the Colorado Rockies: ua-cam.com/video/C96T2wYS8vw/v-deo.html
If it dont last, Toyota wouldn't release it!
@@4af
This summer?
I'd like to point out that my 1997 T100 has none of the exciting features of a modern truck. All this poor relation can claim is 442k miles, no leaks or problems with the original 3.4 engine, and 26mpg combined. Boy, do I ever need a new truck that costs the moon.
26mpg combined? You must drive like a 90 year old grandma
@@soapmaker2263 I drive like I want another 442k.
@@wtsane5449 I didn’t even know that kind of mpg was possible in a T100. I’ve got an FJ40 still going with the original 2F. No matter how I drive it, it gets 10-12 mpg.
@@soapmaker2263 I have a couple of unnatural advantages. I live in Florida (flat, sea level), and I have a camper shell, which adds about 1mpg.
I've got a 1997 T100 4WD. NEVER have I seen 26mpg. Not even on the highway.
I’ve always had complete confidence in Toyota. Sitting in my 2000 Tundra right now with 291,000 miles on it, I have been skeptical about getting one of the new ones with the turbos. But I think Toyota will be just as reliable in their new trucks as their old ones. I plan on getting a new one soon.
@@yws4645I would have already had one if it wasn’t for the horrible gas mileage
I remember hearing on UA-cam a jeep mechanic felt the wrangler V6 should be able to do over 200,000 miles before having problems. First thought I had was “That’s all?” Non turbo V6? …..Just for comparison.
I notice this video is two years old. I wonder what he thinks about the Tundra now?
Lol I was thinking the same thing 😂
I agree with you regarding the long term reliability of the V6 turbo that’s well maintained. Kaizen has proven to be Toyota’s long term advantage. One concern I have on my 2020 Tacoma is the use of plastics on various engine components. Particularly engine cooling system components. I worry about long term fatigue, cracking and coolant leaks. One particular component is at the back of the engine. It’s hard to fix. They have to remove the cab of the truck to access it. Especially the 2016 & 17’s Tacoma’s. I wish they would have continued with metal on these critical components.
Stick with older Toyotas. These new Toyotas aren't the same. Stick with 95-2010 Toyotas.
2017 taco owner here. 5 years no issues, Toyota serviced, 5 state inspections(tough state requirements). I have not seen what you are talking about except for the oil filter housing and you don’t need to remove the body of the truck. Please tell me which plastic part I need to replace by removing the entire truck body.
I have an 5.7L 08 toyota tundra with 170k miles and it's been the best truck without any major problems only thing i replaced was the break light switch down on the break pedal. Wish toyota would donate a new tundra to me.
Do you still feel the same after a year or so and countless trucks not making it to 20,000 miles without engine problems
Thank you very much for this wonderful message. You have cleared my mind of so many doubts. Thank you!
They’ll have to rebuild the turbos as a PM every couple of hundred thousand miles at the most.
I don’t understand how a turbo could go 1,000,000 miles
@@bngr_bngr how often you towing and hauling loads with your Porsche?
Testing an engine over a million miles and not turning it off is not the equivalent of one million miles of daily driving. I know the oil system is “supposed to hold oil pressure” when it’s off but you can’t convince me there is no leak down as your still kind of starting not fully pressurized. For instance on a cold morning it takes a couple of seconds for oil to make it to overhead cam (you hear clattering for a few seconds). I’m not saying the twin turbo V6 will won’t be a good engine, I just don’t believe constant running of an engine is a good test for daily driving.
I'm still skeptical of the turbocharged V6. I'll be taking a "wait and see" approach because I've never heard of a reliable turbocharged engine.
That's understandable, but car companies all over the world have been turbo engines for decades with minimal issues in the last several years
@@AutomotivePress I hope that Toyota proves that my skepticism is misplaced, as their vehicles have never let me down. I drive a '14 Scion TC and my wife drives an '09 RAV4, and they've both been amazing. I'm looking into getting a truck when car prices come back down to humanoid levels, and I still haven't made up my mind whether it's going to be a Tundra or a Tacoma.
@@kwikrayv I suppose time will tell... anyhow, thank you very much for your comments.
@@AutomotivePress lol ford's burnt up turbos and blown engines by 150k mi would argue otherwise lol
@@stevemasterson7776 FORD
This “engineer” doesn’t make much sense to me. Telling me this engine will last a million miles, if that was true it would come with a million mile warranty. I’ve got. 2007 tundra and the emissions cost a fortune to maintain, so when he tells me how these trucks are tested, I’ve got a hard time believing him.
How much is Toyota paying this guy?
Summary of the 8 minute video: because they test them.
Good video. We’re still waiting on SOMETHING! Toyota hasn’t updated us a while now. What’s the hold up??
There's still 2 photos left to release on the Toyota website.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor that’s not a fact. Toyota hasn’t said that officially. Those were just numbers on a phone. Nothing officially has been started.
@@c-zen890 yea and those two photos been posted for a while now, Toyota needs to step it up.
I have a 2021 4.0 4runner. I wondering if toyota has a system that pumps oil first then ignites the car to prevent dry starts? Does going to ACC mode for a few seconds then turning the car
I'm still waiting to hear why mechanically they can last as long
Details in the metallurgy and type of turbos and their bearing types.....plus types of oils to be used?
ROASTED.
No turbos going to last 1 million miles without getting a rebuild.
yeah I just hope they make the turbos easy enough to service, without needing to pull the cab off for their replacement. Literally any engine is going to have turbo issues at some point, unless it is a really understressed and overbuilt set of turbos that they had from the factory, like those in some older diesel engines.
But these are micro turbos compared to those big diesel engine turbos. Every manufacturer has had trouble with small turbos, be it Mitsubishi, Ford, Volkswagen, BMW, GM, and I'm sure there are others
Agree,,,, but if i have to rebuild a turbo or replace a hybrid battery after 500,000 miles i can live with that.
A million miles at highway speeds. Turbos will have to be replaced every 175000 miles
Time will tell. I think the fuel mileage improvement will be a good balance. Have a 2014 Toyota Highlander with the basic 3.5 litre V6 and it runs like new 350,000 kms. Not turbo charged but alot of development goes into these things. Hoping to check them out. Liked the 4.7 V8 which was dropped after 2019 year I believe.
Are you giving this figure for all turbos? If so my F350 with 400,000 miles and stock turbos begs to differ..