You people that keep saying flush the engine don't have a clue, if there really is metal shavings in the oil, the damage was done on the first start up.
This is not the first auto maker .that had metal shaving recall. And to cause bottom end damage like that . The shaving actually in the bearings oil passages to the main bearings .as if it was just on the inside casting. The oil pickup screen and oil filter would should have prevented any metal shaving that is causing this type of damage.
I have an 02 Escalade EXt with 187,000 miles. We still love Aunt Pearl. Take on road trips every time. My daily is an 08 Cummins with 198,000. Love them both!
@@m40dot They're doing well refusing to make EVs, they're just too hypocritical. But they certainly didn't have to give up on their well known and trusty NA engines. Even if they're supposed to pollute more. They're Toyota, after all.
@@McBeamer94 Doing well present day while about to be well behind as many cities and countries are going to require EVs on hard deadlines. Forever insane how both them, and Nissan (early EV leader w mass market Leaf) have just left themselves in such a bad place for so many markets moving to only EVs.
@@McBeamer94 and this just in. Ugh. Toyota submitted faulty data during pedestrian-safety tests for three current models, and used modified test vehicles during collision-safety tests for four past models, the Japanese transport ministry said Monday.
After they kicked out their CEO they have gone woke and stupid at Toyota, simply because the old CEO had common sense and was not afraid to take the side of engineering instead of mainstream media...
This is what you get when you let government bureaucrats design cars. CAFE skews manufacturers toward making more efficient engines that won't last as long (which ultimately does more damage to the environment because you make cars more disposable).
The mid to late 2000's will be the peak of Automotive greatness for quite a while. We had performance, economy and reliability fairly well sorted out. We also had physical buttons instead of these gaudy touch screens, and really had all the bells and whistles anyone ever needed, not to mention the ability to upgrade things like the audio functionality of the car. The only thing that will hurt is that modern replacement parts are getting harder and harder to find since no one wants to make anything, or anything good.
The sad thing about the Toyota problem is that it could be manufacturing flaw, not a design flaw. But people are just going to keep slamming the turbo engines, when the might be completely Toyota reliable otherwise.
That sounds very nice and Toyota cuddly! Unless you’re one of the 175,000 owners that paid $50-$90K for a vehicle that’s a ticking time bomb? How on earth is Toyota gonna make this right with its customers with that kind of volume across multiple vehicles?
This is proof again to not buy the first production year. Even if the design is sound, the production line is not. Let them sort shit out the first year.
I'll take a naturally aspirated V8 or even a V6 over any forced induction engine for longevity perspective. I sat this as an original owner of a 2002 Silverado with 258000 miles. I want a vehicle to last not a high horsepower or stressed driveline.
The problem is naturally aspirated vehicles have a hard performance cap. You can only make the engine more powerful if you increase its size or rev it harder. Both answers are terrible for gas mileage and the latter is hard on reliability. It's hard to stay competitive if you choose not to improve the performance and mileage.
Not even close. The 3.4TT may be a ticking time bomb, but it performs better than the 5.7 V8 it replaces. In the '70s we had awful quality, terrible reliability, ugly design, and pathetic performance. The complete package!
What happened is that they took the lexus ls’ ttv6 from 440lb of tq to 480lb which stressed a reliable powerplant past the limit. They hybrids weren’t impacted as the engine being less stressed didn’t cause failure because of metal shavings.
@@WesBundy82 The Honda Pilot J35 is naturally aspirated with a lower stroke - thus it’s way less harsh on the oil and the bearings. Plus go on bobistheoilguy and you’ll find many people with 5k OCI with a 30 grade oil have engines that last longer than their 10k OCI eco oil counterpart.
I have a friend who still drives a 2005 Lexus GX470 with the Toyota V8, with upwards of half a million miles on it, and he still sings it praises daily. Way to go Toyota. Wreck the one thing that absolutely built your brand.
The 3.0t is a great engine but has some flaws. The timing chains need done at around 100k and it’s a big job, also carbon cleaning and and i injectors, also the mechatronic faults on the automatics. Still a way better engine than the 2.0
@@jake_of_the_jungle9840 timing chains need to be done at around 100k is a owner issue, proper oil changes and it’ll last like any chain driven engine. Carbon build is also maintained to be done at 100k, the Mechatronic is another lack of maintenance issue. Service your car and those issues are myths lol.
@@Yaboybash I love the 3.0t is their best engine Imo but I’m not going to act like it’s no maintenance like an old Honda. some are good some need work and always leak oil, it’s hard to tell what maintenance has been done when you buy used and a lot of Audi owners buy them and never touch anything under the hood and sell them at 80k miles right before anything goes wrong. These engines need the oil changed every 3-5k miles to stay clean and you know none of the soccer moms that own them are doing that
I own & operate a home appliance repair company. I've been in business for 38 years. When I started I drove Toyota pickups. They were the perfect combination of size, fuel efficiency and price. All the pickups today are too expensive and too large. You can't use the bed without a ladder. The Maverick caught my eye, but Ford reliably sucks & the interior is all hard plastic! I've been running my business out of sedans since 2006. The trunk is a giant toolbox and the back seat is full of inventory. If I have to haul something, which is very rare, I use my utility trailer. My customers often say I was expecting a truck when I pull up. I tell them that if I had a truck, I'd have to charge double! As a tradesman the truck market has let me down, however I do get to ride in supreme comfort with a good stereo, soft touch materials, reliability and great gas mileage!
All true. It looks like Toyota has beat Ford to the bottom. Ford's reliably suck and their reliability sucks as well. Too bad Maytag doesn't build vehicles.
My brother in law is a plumber,he retired but still does a good bit of work. His service vehicle is a 2000 Camry,sounds similar to you,the trunk is a huge tool box and the back seat is for materials.
Sounds like you are prime candidate for a Honda Ridgeline, many small contractors use them and love them they are bulletproof reliable and very comfortable to drive!
22 Tundras also had turbo issues early on that required the cab to come off. Certainly limits the repairs that at driveway mechanics can do without a lift.
The issue I am betting is more people not changing their oil til several thousand miles for their first oil change. This is why I did a 1000mi oil change even if I was told 'Dont need it'
BMW's used to have a special initial fill oil that was designed to seat all the bearings. They recommended you don't get rid of that oil until 1200-1500miles.
@@aussie2uGA Yeah, Most manufacturers used to. I use similar for when I build an engine. New cars dont have that though. You just keep it in for 5-10k or whatever for first oil change.
Removing the cab is pretty much standard for all brands of pickup trucks these days weh doing major engine repairs. If you thihk that's bad check out on of the channels that repairs modern farm equipment! I saw one where thy had to replace the fuel tank (plastic, by the way) on a newer John Deere and they had to disassemble nearly the whole thing to get it out. Auto mechanics have it easy by comparison.
The only reason the 24 models not included because of the stop sale. They have been blowing too. You’re the first channel to give information on the hurricane engine. Is it the h/o or both.
My father, in his youth had an old Model A. He said the reputation was: "You couldn't keep it from running." Oh, for the days when a crescent wrench and a slotted screwdriver was all you needed.
I'm glad I am sticking with all my 30-40-50 yr old vehicles, I can work on them, they are cheap to fix & all are still running good with just routine maintenance! Yall can keep all these new crappy cars & especially the EVs ✌💖☮
People crying about turbos make me laugh. My 7.3 diesel with a turbo is a known 500k engine easy. The problem is they put these tiny engines in and make you rev em up to 6k+ rpm to get power out of them cause of emissions and mpg standards, working the engine much harder.
@@CJColvin Diesels are built heavier duty for sure, but they also have higher compression. The main thing though is that they make power down low, you don't have to rev them to the moon to get anywhere, which was the same for V8s and large V6/I6s. Nowadays, they are making the engines too small.
8:50 you make a great point Tyler, the cost of new vehicle servicing eats up any fuel savings you may get. You’re especially right about the active fuel management LS engines, the engines were nearly perfect up to the point they added afm.
Way back in the day I built a Hot-rodded Air-cooled Bug. Not only did we quadruple the HP, to my surprise we also increased the MPG. Here's the thing, when you make an engine more efficient it will use less fuel to travel down the road even if it has a larger displacement. Toyota should have spent their R&D on refining the old V8. A small turbo on it could have created a more efficient burn while using less fuel.
The opening frame of this video that held a bit before playing was an absolutely perfect representation of what’s probably next to come, lol. Tyler is making a crazy face and April has a big smile on with her face in her hands. LMAO!!! 😂😂😂
IMO the 10 deg offset crank is the culprit. Sure the compression stroke may have far less friction but the power stroke may be destroying those main bearing. Notice how the rod bearings aren't the issues.
One of the best I6 engines I ever had was the I6 on my 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee I had and till today I regret selling it. I have seen many with over 300k miles.
It is not a debris! How is it possible that this issue affects all vehicles made in the US and Japan, such as the Tundra, Lexus, and Land Cruiser 300s? Assuming the machining is done by one supplier globally, how did it pass inspection in two factories in Japan and the USA for three years? I believe it is a design issue. The most important concern is the repair cost of $32,000! If someone encounters this issue after the warranty expires, how can they afford $32,000? After 6-7 years, low-trim trucks may not even be worth $32,000, which means these trucks could end up in the junkyard if their engines fail.
I'm trying to remain objective, but I'm hearing more and more it's a design flaw. Machining debris is a smoke screen to divert attention an engineering error. Toyota won't admit it.
I have a 2001 Miata and an 02 Focus SVT. Guess how much trouble they have caused me? Nothing, just normal maintenance, both have about 220km on them. Ain't no way in living hell will I ever buy an electric or anything that is controlled by a screen.
My mother in law has a 2002 Tundra with the V8 sitting in her driveway and she seldom drives it, yet at least once a week she'll get a random note from someone under the windshield wiper offering to buy it from her. They're that in demand.
If this truly is down to machining debris left behind, the presence of a turbo is largely irrelevant. The “reliable” V8 would have failed if given the same issue. It seems some folks aren’t buying Toyotas explanation/diagnosis thus far though. I guess we will see.
You’re correct, no new cars a good option. I’m a Honda service advisor and the Variable Cylinder Management system on 2011-2017 V6 engines leads to oil-fouled spark plugs and piston ring issues. That’s $4,000+. Then the 1.5T 4cyl (in 2016+ Civic, 2018+ Accord and 2017+ CR-V) is having head gasket failures and turbocharger failures. Almost all of Honda’s current 4cyl turbo engines, one of their 4cyl NA engines and all of the 2017+ V6 engines have injector failures that can eventually take out catalytic converters. Pretty much any vehicle designed in the last 15 years with fuel savings in mind has a technology on it that will lead to a failure. Turbos, direct injection, cylinder management, etc it’s all junk.
So far, I've had excellent luck with my 14 & 18 Lexus with the NA V-6's. Neighbor just bought a 24 Civic that I think does not have a Turbo 4? I hope he has good luck with it.
Worst part is the local dealer is going to replace the short block, I would not trust any local dealer to rebuild my engine, they have limited experience doing that. And what about the heads, they also will be impacted by the debris, why use them over?
This, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS! Because of CAFE standards and the Chicken Tax, we can't have simple, long-lasting reliable vehicles anymore, particularly SMALL, COMPACT TRUCKS!
I watched this while waiting on the drivers seat of my 2005 Escalade which I believe to be the peak of automotive excellence. It's all down hill from here
I’ve seen pictures and videos of failed Toyota TTV6’s. It’s bearing failure, not foreign debris. The first main bearing is losing oil pressure and overheating. No signs of any scoring or debris going through them at all. Toyota uses new super thin “efficiency” oil, bearing clearances of a NA 80hp commuter car and uncoated bearings in these newer engines.
That debris explanation sounded like rubbish to me, it is simple a small V6 is just not a strong enough of a base for a heavy truck or SUV, hence bearing failure.
Toyota poop the bed with the new tundra. Ignore the spun bearing issues and look at just items that will wear out and need replacing requires the cab to be removed. Imagine needing to replace a $20 hose but have to pay $1000s in labor. Toyota should admit their shame for this design and apologize for such a bad design and admit they should redesign it all.
Such a shame. I wanted to lease the 1794 Edition for 3 years, to see if I like it and now this? Moving to the new Denali, 5.3L. Then, will see what Toyota will do, by than. I really liked it. Superb interior, and super ride, smooth as hell. Next time, I am guessing.
I was the GSM of an Acura dealership in 2004-2005. They warrantied the transmissions on every V-6 basically forever. They knew they were crap and in order to cover it up they replaced them no questions asked. We had a gentleman with a 146,000 mile TL come in for an oil change and on the quality control drive the tech noticed it slipping. When he came to pick it up that night it had fresh oil and a new transmission that Honda paid the bill. Toyota also used to do the same thing for their 3.0l V-6. In 1996 I sold a 3 year old Camry that was out of warranty but was a very nice car to a young mother. It was the first nice car she'd ever owned. While she was signing her papers my lot attendant came running up to the showroom. He said I don't know what happened but I turned it on to pull it out of the bay and I think it exploded. I ran back and the entire interior of the motor was on the ground. We called the Toyota dealer and he asked one question. Was it a V-6. I said yes, he said get it here and we'll take care of it because they all blow up. Honda and Toyota don't build more reliable cars they just take care of the known problems. American car companies however harass and make customers pay for known issues. Perception is 💯 reality.
Do you remember the sludge problem in Toyota engines about twenty years ago? Toyota blamed the customers. Don't tell us how Toyota takes care of problems.
I bought my 2019 F150 Raptor from Carmax almost a year ago. thank God we bought the 150,000 mile warranty. So far: 1) cam phasers knocking 2) APIM bricked ($4600 part) 3) failed 110V outlet 4) LED marker/sensor 5) back glass defroster failure 6) valve cover leak And a partridge in a pear tree.
I was researching whether or not to buy a Raptor or TRX. I really really liked the Raptor, but all the forums had endless discussions about the cam phasers basically needing to be replaced. Also a fair amount of talk about the APIM. I ended up with the TRX. I have 80K miles on it, and it has been perfect except the windshield washer fluid lines falling out. No washer fluid when I needed it.
Hey there Hoovie, so I live in WA at in a town called Auburn, and my mom saw one of those Fisker Ocean cars the other day. Thought it was a little odd one of those floating around our area being that company being in such trouble and it town being sadly mostly junkies now.
Toyota needs to buy back its time bombs, or offer a 150K power train warranty unlimited time! The U.S. Government should get involved, no way people should be stuck with a $50-$80K truck that they were bamboozled into thinking it was reliable!
Hi. Which used Plug-In Hybrid would you purchase in 2024. I want something I can drive Electric for normal trips to store and stuff, and then the ability to make longer trips when needed.
I just got done with a 900 mile road trip in my old 1998 Lexus GS400. The only i was worried about distracted drivers swerving into my lane as i was passing them, not that the 26 year old silky smooth V8 has over 200,000 miles of wear. Im gonna miss that kind of worry free confidence in driving a Toyota.
I have to confirm what Tyler said! Basically the zenith of thoughtful, thorough engineering has been surpassed and it’s going downhill again. Due to the fact, that every manufacturer “needs” to offer multiple crossover, niche etc. models and refresh everything every year…in every global market segment…and still make some money. There needs to be not only “Right To Repair”, but also “Corresponding Repairability”! I remember the EU implementing certain repairability and accessibility laws after a certain disastrous Audi model made things impossible. Fun & entertaining as always! Best wishes
But this one cost 30,000 to fix, not remotely the same. Just one turbo failing cost as much as a 5.7 crate engine. The new tundra is basically an EV, if motor fails out of warranty the repair is 30,000.
We act in this like this is the first time they made a gaff on the engine but human memory is short. I remember the early 2000s with thousands of engines gunking up being replaced or when the V8 5.7 L came out in 2007 it had camshaft problems and sucking in valves and then went on to being extremely reliable no company is perfect and yes this should not have happened I think it’s a shame but number one gets picked on because they’re at the top of the quality chain their ethos has not changed but yes they goofed up on this one and they’ll make it right
I loved my Ridgeline's functionality but it just needed more power. If I added 25bags of mulch into the back, the rear end squatted low and the engine screamed trying to get up to highway speeds again. If they came back out with a 350hp version, it would be worth looking at again.
@@aussie2uGA No argument there. I remember in 2007 seeing a 4.2 Liter V8 Honda was testing for their motorboat division at the Car dealership, and said to my salesman, Hey, how do I get one of these, in there? He just looked over his glasses at me, like an old, pissed off, Librarian. I ended up using a rental trailer to keep away from squatting, My job had me just driving 160 to 180, 000 Highway miles a year, from snow covered highways, to the SW deserts at 130* outside. The Honda was flawless, and on 93 octane got 35+ MPG. I even bought one for my Daughter when she went off to Collage. She just bought a Ford Maverick Hybrid Pick up, and is over the Moon for it. We'll see? lol!
@@aussie2uGA Almost certainly not going to happen. The replacement for the 3.5 is another 3.5 that doesn't offer any better performance or economy. Some people just look at specs and don't realize that a leaf sprung solid axle is usually going to do better hauling a lot of weight than IRS regardless of what payload ratings are. I've had minivans with more payload than full size pickups but in the real world when you loaded them up there was no comparison in how they handled it.
I am keeping my mk4 TDI 2003. And my mk4 VW 1.8t Jetta wagon. Both with a 5 speed manual. Have all the tools mechanical knowledge. I have stock pilled spear parts engines. Seats even extra catalytic converters.
Hey, you mentioned in the beginning of this Video that toyota uses the bmw engine in the supra. This happens to be the most reliable 6 Cylinder engine currently around. Plus it is super easy to modify.
You talk about Stellantis having to lift off the "body" to access the engine. That's exactly what Toyota will have to do to replace these recalled engines. Presumably they will first do some checking to see if they actually have to do that before going to all that effort. The big question is will that checking properly determine if any given engine is at risk for failure? If it's really a design flaw, as I'm beginning to hear more and more, then all of those engines will have to be replaced (or warranted). So far, Toyota has not been willing to admit to a design problem and have claimed machining debris is causing it. This is suspicious because they've known about these failures for over two years. Modifying the machining process to properly flush out the debris could've been implemented is short order some time ago, yet the failures have persisted to the present with 2024 models among the failed group. A design flaw would explain that. In any case, this is a big headache for Toyota, their dealers, and customers. These trucks will forever carry this cloud of concern and this will be reflected in their value to people when they're sold or traded in. No solution is going to be received well. It's a mess.
Tyler. Did you say the Toyota plans to switch to the Inline 6 turbo (a Straight Six) and shelf the V-6 tt. I listened twice and that seems to be what you have stated ? If so that would be great news and if they could make it easily servicable it would be a win win but I would be surprised. Maybe do two inline 3 cylinders from the corrolla gr to combine as a straight 6
I was thinking about this the other day. An early suggestion for Halloween costumes is a Star Trek theme. April could be "Seven of Nine" in a tight body suit and stiletto shoes like Seven. It would be super sexy and Hoovie as "Data". Just an idea...
Great some more expert mechanical engineers with valid educated opinions. The 4.6 and 5.7 had issues when originally launched too. And they were producing far less. The V6 has much more production in less time. And yet the amount of engines being recalled is still less than past Toyota engine recalls.
You people that keep saying flush the engine don't have a clue, if there really is metal shavings in the oil, the damage was done on the first start up.
This is not the first auto maker .that had metal shaving recall. And to cause bottom end damage like that . The shaving actually in the bearings oil passages to the main bearings .as if it was just on the inside casting. The oil pickup screen and oil filter would should have prevented any metal shaving that is causing this type of damage.
Agreed. But, a design flaw will affect every engine and won't show up till later. More and more people are suggesting a design problem.
I have an 02 Escalade EXt with 187,000 miles. We still love Aunt Pearl. Take on road trips every time. My daily is an 08 Cummins with 198,000. Love them both!
If even Toyota can't make a reliable engine anymore, no one is safe. 😥
All that while they all but refuse to make EVs, amazing flop from the place that led in Hybrid sooooo early on
@@m40dot They're doing well refusing to make EVs, they're just too hypocritical. But they certainly didn't have to give up on their well known and trusty NA engines. Even if they're supposed to pollute more. They're Toyota, after all.
@@McBeamer94 Doing well present day while about to be well behind as many cities and countries are going to require EVs on hard deadlines. Forever insane how both them, and Nissan (early EV leader w mass market Leaf) have just left themselves in such a bad place for so many markets moving to only EVs.
@@McBeamer94 and this just in. Ugh.
Toyota submitted faulty data during pedestrian-safety tests for three current models, and used modified test vehicles during collision-safety tests for four past models, the Japanese transport ministry said Monday.
After they kicked out their CEO they have gone woke and stupid at Toyota, simply because the old CEO had common sense and was not afraid to take the side of engineering instead of mainstream media...
Should have never left the NA V6 or V8s! Stop putting turbos on all these things!!! My god!
Doesn’t matter… cylinder deactivation anyways.
this is actually an overboosted version of the lexus ls’ v6 which came out in 2017
This is what you get when you let government bureaucrats design cars. CAFE skews manufacturers toward making more efficient engines that won't last as long (which ultimately does more damage to the environment because you make cars more disposable).
@@Zundfolge also allows them to cheat by making the vehicles larger and larger as the MPG goes down as the vehicles get bigger.
@@Zundfolge the government doesn't design cars. once you get that straight, the credibility of your opinions will improve, if that matters.
The mid to late 2000's will be the peak of Automotive greatness for quite a while. We had performance, economy and reliability fairly well sorted out. We also had physical buttons instead of these gaudy touch screens, and really had all the bells and whistles anyone ever needed, not to mention the ability to upgrade things like the audio functionality of the car. The only thing that will hurt is that modern replacement parts are getting harder and harder to find since no one wants to make anything, or anything good.
Sure, like those gaudy smartphone and tablet computer screens. Bring back the buttons, or better yet, a rotary number dial.😂
The sad thing about the Toyota problem is that it could be manufacturing flaw, not a design flaw. But people are just going to keep slamming the turbo engines, when the might be completely Toyota reliable otherwise.
exactly! the v6 twin turbo is not a new engine, it started life in the old 2018 lexus ls500
That sounds very nice and Toyota cuddly! Unless you’re one of the 175,000 owners that paid $50-$90K for a vehicle that’s a ticking time bomb? How on earth is Toyota gonna make this right with its customers with that kind of volume across multiple vehicles?
@@donaldindividual-1 Yes it does. Same engine. Toyota is evidently doing the bare minimum required by law so far. This is just the beginning.
This is proof again to not buy the first production year. Even if the design is sound, the production line is not. Let them sort shit out the first year.
True but turbo engines will never be as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine.
I'll take a naturally aspirated V8 or even a V6 over any forced induction engine for longevity perspective. I sat this as an original owner of a 2002 Silverado with 258000 miles. I want a vehicle to last not a high horsepower or stressed driveline.
Its not stressed if you build the engine to match the turbos.
why did they go turbo, when they already had hybirds?
@@feidry But that eats into the union and corporate pay checks to do something right
2002 Chevy Silverado 108000 miles runs perfect $19,000.00 🆕 4.8l v8 engine
The problem is naturally aspirated vehicles have a hard performance cap. You can only make the engine more powerful if you increase its size or rev it harder. Both answers are terrible for gas mileage and the latter is hard on reliability. It's hard to stay competitive if you choose not to improve the performance and mileage.
The 2020’s will be known as the 70’s of cars due to emissions requirements.
the '20s will be known as the new Malaise era like the '70s were! Ironically most of my vehicles are from the '70s & '80s & still run great
Not even close. The 3.4TT may be a ticking time bomb, but it performs better than the 5.7 V8 it replaces. In the '70s we had awful quality, terrible reliability, ugly design, and pathetic performance. The complete package!
The second Malaise era.
Good joke!
blame Uncle Sam & his 'cafe' standards....
Good Morning! 2006 Sienna 320k I bought two more low mileage ones, no payment!
The looks of the wagoneer should have turned everyone away. If you still bought it at 100k may God have mercy on you.
I couldn't believe how expensive they are. I'm surprised they sell any at all.
Agreed
Overpriced and poor quality “Wagoners”
What happened is that they took the lexus ls’ ttv6 from 440lb of tq to 480lb which stressed a reliable powerplant past the limit. They hybrids weren’t impacted as the engine being less stressed didn’t cause failure because of metal shavings.
Lexus is spinning bearings too
I’m sure it has a lot to do with the 0w-20 Toyota recommends. A thin 20 grade is good for economy but shears under load.
Im running that oil currently as recommended by Honda in my Pilot ¿¿¿¿WTF is going on @_IMNNO
Oh and recommend by Honda is 10k mile oil changes!!!
@@WesBundy82 The Honda Pilot J35 is naturally aspirated with a lower stroke - thus it’s way less harsh on the oil and the bearings. Plus go on bobistheoilguy and you’ll find many people with 5k OCI with a 30 grade oil have engines that last longer than their 10k OCI eco oil counterpart.
I have a friend who still drives a 2005 Lexus GX470 with the Toyota V8, with upwards of half a million miles on it, and he still sings it praises daily. Way to go Toyota. Wreck the one thing that absolutely built your brand.
I sold my old Sequoia with 300k and it ran like new. I am never selling my wife's Lexus GX460.
my turbocharged V6 3.0 Audi engine is super easy to work on. Audi's been turbo charging for decades. They're finally getting their shit together.
Shhhh don’t let the Japanese fanboys know lol
The 3.0t is a great engine but has some flaws. The timing chains need done at around 100k and it’s a big job, also carbon cleaning and and i injectors, also the mechatronic faults on the automatics. Still a way better engine than the 2.0
German engineering, they been doing it for 114 yrs
@@jake_of_the_jungle9840 timing chains need to be done at around 100k is a owner issue, proper oil changes and it’ll last like any chain driven engine. Carbon build is also maintained to be done at 100k, the Mechatronic is another lack of maintenance issue. Service your car and those issues are myths lol.
@@Yaboybash I love the 3.0t is their best engine Imo but I’m not going to act like it’s no maintenance like an old Honda. some are good some need work and always leak oil, it’s hard to tell what maintenance has been done when you buy used and a lot of Audi owners buy them and never touch anything under the hood and sell them at 80k miles right before anything goes wrong. These engines need the oil changed every 3-5k miles to stay clean and you know none of the soccer moms that own them are doing that
TOYOTA TUNDRA 2018 4X4 SR DOUBLE CAB $ 31,000 STILL RUNNING LIKE BRAND NEW !
Drive it don’t hide it
I own & operate a home appliance repair company. I've been in business for 38 years. When I started I drove Toyota pickups. They were the perfect combination of size, fuel efficiency and price. All the pickups today are too expensive and too large. You can't use the bed without a ladder. The Maverick caught my eye, but Ford reliably sucks & the interior is all hard plastic! I've been running my business out of sedans since 2006. The trunk is a giant toolbox and the back seat is full of inventory. If I have to haul something, which is very rare, I use my utility trailer. My customers often say I was expecting a truck when I pull up. I tell them that if I had a truck, I'd have to charge double! As a tradesman the truck market has let me down, however I do get to ride in supreme comfort with a good stereo, soft touch materials, reliability and great gas mileage!
Fuel efficiency? That’s a lie, they drink gas and heavily outdated tech lol
You can say reliable and that’s about it
All true. It looks like Toyota has beat Ford to the bottom. Ford's reliably suck and their reliability sucks as well. Too bad Maytag doesn't build vehicles.
frontier is solid
My brother in law is a plumber,he retired but still does a good bit of work. His service vehicle is a 2000 Camry,sounds similar to you,the trunk is a huge tool box and the back seat is for materials.
Sounds like you are prime candidate for a Honda Ridgeline, many small contractors use them and love them they are bulletproof reliable and very comfortable to drive!
Toyota has made these mistakes before in the first production year of the 5.7 V8 in the Tundra. They issued a recall for camshaft failures.
I read that even though they have a recall Toyota doesn't know how to fix it.
It can't be fixed. Needs entire new engine.
22 Tundras also had turbo issues early on that required the cab to come off.
Certainly limits the repairs that at driveway mechanics can do without a lift.
I’ve seen quite a few new body style Tundras at the dealership with engines out so this is a real problem. Never saw an old V8 with an engine out once
The issue I am betting is more people not changing their oil til several thousand miles for their first oil change. This is why I did a 1000mi oil change even if I was told 'Dont need it'
BMW's used to have a special initial fill oil that was designed to seat all the bearings. They recommended you don't get rid of that oil until 1200-1500miles.
@@aussie2uGA Yeah, Most manufacturers used to. I use similar for when I build an engine.
New cars dont have that though. You just keep it in for 5-10k or whatever for first oil change.
Bingo, oil is cheap and motors are not!
Have a rental Tundra V6 now and am not a fan of the powertrain. The V8 was a much better engine!
Trust me, Toyota didn't want turbos either but the gov forced them into it.
@@TheJoncic change gov maybe?
This is why I own a 2005 Volvo XC70. Serviceable and built to last. My second Volvo. First was a S80. Sold it still running at 245k miles.
Removing the cab is pretty much standard for all brands of pickup trucks these days weh doing major engine repairs. If you thihk that's bad check out on of the channels that repairs modern farm equipment! I saw one where thy had to replace the fuel tank (plastic, by the way) on a newer John Deere and they had to disassemble nearly the whole thing to get it out. Auto mechanics have it easy by comparison.
that is why im glad most of my cars are a little older the newest being a 2011 not as much reliability issues.
Glad i got a 2008 tundra. 215,495mi on the clock and still strong.
I am hanging on to my V8 2UR-GSE ftw. I also have a 2022 Highlander & has the n/a V6.
The only reason the 24 models not included because of the stop sale. They have been blowing too. You’re the first channel to give information on the hurricane engine. Is it the h/o or both.
For sure. It will be all of them
My father, in his youth had an old Model A. He said the reputation was: "You couldn't keep it from running." Oh, for the days when a crescent wrench and a slotted screwdriver was all you needed.
I miss my 2010 Ford Ranger XLT super cab with the simple 2.3L naturally aspirated inline four-cylinder that engine at idle it was smooth as engine oil
Body off and up on Ford Pickups makes the repairs easier as well. It looks simple but I'm not sure how many hours on a Jeep.
I'm glad I am sticking with all my 30-40-50 yr old vehicles, I can work on them, they are cheap to fix & all are still running good with just routine maintenance! Yall can keep all these new crappy cars & especially the EVs ✌💖☮
People crying about turbos make me laugh. My 7.3 diesel with a turbo is a known 500k engine easy. The problem is they put these tiny engines in and make you rev em up to 6k+ rpm to get power out of them cause of emissions and mpg standards, working the engine much harder.
You're lucky because emissions have ruined all the newer diesel engines too.
@@rjobrien7805 Yeah I used to own a 6.7 and sold it to pay cash for this one. Keeping this truck forever.
Turbos on Diesels are much better than turbos on gas engines.
@@CJColvin Diesels are built heavier duty for sure, but they also have higher compression. The main thing though is that they make power down low, you don't have to rev them to the moon to get anywhere, which was the same for V8s and large V6/I6s. Nowadays, they are making the engines too small.
@@AceEverett True
I bought my 04 Escalade new for $45k and just sold it for $4500 with 200k miles and had people lining up to buy it ! Now I know why .
Yeah they go to 300k as easily as 200k
292k and counting on my 2004 yukon denali with the 6.0. Just an amazing vehicle and design that's bullet proof
8:50 you make a great point Tyler, the cost of new vehicle servicing eats up any fuel savings you may get. You’re especially right about the active fuel management LS engines, the engines were nearly perfect up to the point they added afm.
It is not just to flush it out. Not possible without taking the motor completely apart. And the noise? That needs to be fixed too.
2003 Mercury Marauder with 320,000 miles and 2010 Lincoln Town Car with 220,000 miles… hoping I never have to replace either of them 😅
It appears that Tyler is sporting a Tag Heuer Carrera Chronograph glassbox. Good on 'ya.
I’ll keep my 2010 Tundra with the 4.6 L. Plenty of power for me. No turbo BS.
Way back in the day I built a Hot-rodded Air-cooled Bug. Not only did we quadruple the HP, to my surprise we also increased the MPG. Here's the thing, when you make an engine more efficient it will use less fuel to travel down the road even if it has a larger displacement. Toyota should have spent their R&D on refining the old V8. A small turbo on it could have created a more efficient burn while using less fuel.
The opening frame of this video that held a bit before playing was an absolutely perfect representation of what’s probably next to come, lol. Tyler is making a crazy face and April has a big smile on with her face in her hands. LMAO!!! 😂😂😂
She is a good actress smiling and pretending to like his jokes.,when that gold digger gets all his money she will be smiling a lot more.
@@chadhaire1711, not sure if you are aware, but April has her own loot. Plenty of it. 😎
@@Far2hip Yep.....and I am sure she will be getting more from Goober here....LOL....
IMO the 10 deg offset crank is the culprit. Sure the compression stroke may have far less friction but the power stroke may be destroying those main bearing. Notice how the rod bearings aren't the issues.
One of the best I6 engines I ever had was the I6 on my 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee I had and till today I regret selling it. I have seen many with over 300k miles.
It is not a debris! How is it possible that this issue affects all vehicles made in the US and Japan, such as the Tundra, Lexus, and Land Cruiser 300s? Assuming the machining is done by one supplier globally, how did it pass inspection in two factories in Japan and the USA for three years? I believe it is a design issue. The most important concern is the repair cost of $32,000!
If someone encounters this issue after the warranty expires, how can they afford $32,000? After 6-7 years, low-trim trucks may not even be worth $32,000, which means these trucks could end up in the junkyard if their engines fail.
I'm trying to remain objective, but I'm hearing more and more it's a design flaw. Machining debris is a smoke screen to divert attention an engineering error. Toyota won't admit it.
I have a 2001 Miata and an 02 Focus SVT. Guess how much trouble they have caused me? Nothing, just normal maintenance, both have about 220km on them. Ain't no way in living hell will I ever buy an electric or anything that is controlled by a screen.
2019 GM went to all 16 lifters being AFM. We stay busy with lifter jobs.
My mother in law has a 2002 Tundra with the V8 sitting in her driveway and she seldom drives it, yet at least once a week she'll get a random note from someone under the windshield wiper offering to buy it from her. They're that in demand.
I'd disable the thing while it sits, it could be a theft magnet since it's in high demand.
If this truly is down to machining debris left behind, the presence of a turbo is largely irrelevant. The “reliable” V8 would have failed if given the same issue. It seems some folks aren’t buying Toyotas explanation/diagnosis thus far though. I guess we will see.
I think there's more going on than just debris in the block....
Yup.
Luv my 23 Tundra . Drives like a magic carpet !!!
You’re correct, no new cars a good option. I’m a Honda service advisor and the Variable Cylinder Management system on 2011-2017 V6 engines leads to oil-fouled spark plugs and piston ring issues. That’s $4,000+. Then the 1.5T 4cyl (in 2016+ Civic, 2018+ Accord and 2017+ CR-V) is having head gasket failures and turbocharger failures. Almost all of Honda’s current 4cyl turbo engines, one of their 4cyl NA engines and all of the 2017+ V6 engines have injector failures that can eventually take out catalytic converters.
Pretty much any vehicle designed in the last 15 years with fuel savings in mind has a technology on it that will lead to a failure. Turbos, direct injection, cylinder management, etc it’s all junk.
So far, I've had excellent luck with my 14 & 18 Lexus with the NA V-6's. Neighbor just bought a 24 Civic that I think does not have a Turbo 4? I hope he has good luck with it.
Agreed 100%
This is why you don't vote democrat
All the more reason to go EV.
@@rand49er EVs are garbage mate
Expect Toyota's recall to double as I don't believe that it's a machining issue, I believe it's a design issue.
It's going to be all of them soon. 100k is just the start
I think you're right. I'm trying to remain objective, but I don't believe this machining debris ruse.
Love the 5.7 sound.
Scotty Kilmer called it, regarding the turbo Toyota V6. At around 7:00 minutes in, Hoovie and April are talking about planned obsolescence.
Worst part is the local dealer is going to replace the short block, I would not trust any local dealer to rebuild my engine, they have limited experience doing that. And what about the heads, they also will be impacted by the debris, why use them over?
Exactly. I'm hearing more and more it's a design flaw. The machining debris is a smoke screen.
Ford did the same thing with the Panther platform, ie Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, Town Car. They are indestructable also.
Like the upgrade over your older model
Damn 'CAFE' govt. standards taking all the fun and reliability away.
This, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS! Because of CAFE standards and the Chicken Tax, we can't have simple, long-lasting reliable vehicles anymore, particularly SMALL, COMPACT TRUCKS!
I watched this while waiting on the drivers seat of my 2005 Escalade which I believe to be the peak of automotive excellence. It's all down hill from here
This is why I bought my titan xd. My second one. Reliable naturally aspirated v8
They have transmission issues
@@Junior-cp9sedo they?
The metal particles have nothing to do with it. It’s a design flaw. I would want to buy Back
I'm with you.
I’ve seen pictures and videos of failed Toyota TTV6’s. It’s bearing failure, not foreign debris. The first main bearing is losing oil pressure and overheating. No signs of any scoring or debris going through them at all. Toyota uses new super thin “efficiency” oil, bearing clearances of a NA 80hp commuter car and uncoated bearings in these newer engines.
That debris explanation sounded like rubbish to me, it is simple a small V6 is just not a strong enough of a base for a heavy truck or SUV, hence bearing failure.
Tell me you don't know anything about engines, without telling me you don't know anything about engines.
@@allworldmusic8270 3.5 is not a small V6 Goober
@@chadhaire1711 It is for such a big truck
@@allworldmusic8270 NO
At these prices that thing should fly! signed, Louie Anderson's Dad.
Toyota poop the bed with the new tundra. Ignore the spun bearing issues and look at just items that will wear out and need replacing requires the cab to be removed. Imagine needing to replace a $20 hose but have to pay $1000s in labor.
Toyota should admit their shame for this design and apologize for such a bad design and admit they should redesign it all.
Such a shame. I wanted to lease the 1794 Edition for 3 years, to see if I like it and now this? Moving to the new Denali, 5.3L. Then, will see what Toyota will do, by than. I really liked it. Superb interior, and super ride, smooth as hell. Next time, I am guessing.
I was the GSM of an Acura dealership in 2004-2005. They warrantied the transmissions on every V-6 basically forever. They knew they were crap and in order to cover it up they replaced them no questions asked. We had a gentleman with a 146,000 mile TL come in for an oil change and on the quality control drive the tech noticed it slipping. When he came to pick it up that night it had fresh oil and a new transmission that Honda paid the bill. Toyota also used to do the same thing for their 3.0l V-6. In 1996 I sold a 3 year old Camry that was out of warranty but was a very nice car to a young mother. It was the first nice car she'd ever owned. While she was signing her papers my lot attendant came running up to the showroom. He said I don't know what happened but I turned it on to pull it out of the bay and I think it exploded. I ran back and the entire interior of the motor was on the ground. We called the Toyota dealer and he asked one question. Was it a V-6. I said yes, he said get it here and we'll take care of it because they all blow up. Honda and Toyota don't build more reliable cars they just take care of the known problems. American car companies however harass and make customers pay for known issues. Perception is 💯 reality.
Do you remember the sludge problem in Toyota engines about twenty years ago? Toyota blamed the customers. Don't tell us how Toyota takes care of problems.
Early in the video you said it was a twin turbo straight 6. It’s a V6. Ram makes the twin turbo straight 6.
I bought my 2019 F150 Raptor from Carmax almost a year ago. thank God we bought the 150,000 mile warranty. So far:
1) cam phasers knocking
2) APIM bricked ($4600 part)
3) failed 110V outlet
4) LED marker/sensor
5) back glass defroster failure
6) valve cover leak
And a partridge in a pear tree.
I was researching whether or not to buy a Raptor or TRX. I really really liked the Raptor, but all the forums had endless discussions about the cam phasers basically needing to be replaced. Also a fair amount of talk about the APIM. I ended up with the TRX. I have 80K miles on it, and it has been perfect except the windshield washer fluid lines falling out. No washer fluid when I needed it.
Hey there Hoovie, so I live in WA at in a town called Auburn, and my mom saw one of those Fisker Ocean cars the other day. Thought it was a little odd one of those floating around our area being that company being in such trouble and it town being sadly mostly junkies now.
Toyota needs to buy back its time bombs, or offer a 150K power train warranty unlimited time! The U.S. Government should get involved, no way people should be stuck with a $50-$80K truck that they were bamboozled into thinking it was reliable!
My '18 Tundra is so smooth, I've never considered getting rid of it. Would you pull your teeth to get new permanent dentures?
Tyler... Great show. One question. What are the sweet spot years of the Cadillac Escalade(Personal Opinion of course)? I know you have the 2005.
Hi. Which used Plug-In Hybrid would you purchase in 2024. I want something I can drive Electric for normal trips to store and stuff, and then the ability to make longer trips when needed.
I just got done with a 900 mile road trip in my old 1998 Lexus GS400. The only i was worried about distracted drivers swerving into my lane as i was passing them, not that the 26 year old silky smooth V8 has over 200,000 miles of wear. Im gonna miss that kind of worry free confidence in driving a Toyota.
That's awesome, 18 GS owner here.
I have to confirm what Tyler said!
Basically the zenith of thoughtful, thorough engineering has been surpassed and it’s going downhill again.
Due to the fact, that every manufacturer “needs” to offer multiple crossover, niche etc. models and refresh everything every year…in every global market segment…and still make some money.
There needs to be not only “Right To Repair”, but also “Corresponding Repairability”!
I remember the EU implementing certain repairability and accessibility laws after a certain disastrous Audi model made things impossible.
Fun & entertaining as always!
Best wishes
Hoovie never has liked Toyota. Still better than the competition but he will never admit it.
Don;t agree with that ua-cam.com/video/h9fyESC4JKk/v-deo.html
Was this fixed for the 2024 model?
People forget that the 5.7l had recalls early on too
The secondary air injection pump was an expensive gotcha to keep replacing.
Exactly. The 4.7 was WAY better than the 5.7.
Not for main bearing failure...
But this one cost 30,000 to fix, not remotely the same. Just one turbo failing cost as much as a 5.7 crate engine. The new tundra is basically an EV, if motor fails out of warranty the repair is 30,000.
5:45 what they were pointing is to the very unreliable plastic and tiny water line that breaks and this happens.
I love my turbo inline 6 gm duramax diesel. Smooth, quiet, powerful, fantastic mpg
It doesn't have a straight six...your thinking about the RAM 1500 with SST.
Good Morning UA-cam Is the best channel ever!
I want to know about the 2.7 turbo in the Chevy 1500s…. Been looking at the price differences
We act in this like this is the first time they made a gaff on the engine but human memory is short. I remember the early 2000s with thousands of engines gunking up being replaced or when the V8 5.7 L came out in 2007 it had camshaft problems and sucking in valves and then went on to being extremely reliable no company is perfect and yes this should not have happened I think it’s a shame but number one gets picked on because they’re at the top of the quality chain their ethos has not changed but yes they goofed up on this one and they’ll make it right
Toyota blamed customers for that gunking up, too.
Wait…? Other manufacturers besides Tesla has recalls? Can this main bearing problem be done with OTA software update?
Toyota makes a great diesel engine and if they put it in the Tundra it would be a runaway bestseller!
How come you don't go out and get one and bring it to the CAR WIZZARD!! I want to see the look on his face when you have one towed in!!!!
“Ve haf figured out ze vay to force people into going electric!” (Rubs hands)
1.8 million buyers of the vehicles from one manufacturer thought otherwise about EVs in 2023.
Zeh vay.
What's that noise? Oh, it's just the sound of my '21 4Runner going up in value 😄
No no no. You wont flush it out. 😂
Honda Ridgeline owners quietly smiling, knowing they made the right decision.😂
Yes, Ridgeline owners love smelling their own farts.
@@plmn93
Beats smellin' someone who's full of shit! lol!
I loved my Ridgeline's functionality but it just needed more power. If I added 25bags of mulch into the back, the rear end squatted low and the engine screamed trying to get up to highway speeds again. If they came back out with a 350hp version, it would be worth looking at again.
@@aussie2uGA
No argument there.
I remember in 2007 seeing a 4.2 Liter V8
Honda was testing for their motorboat division at the Car dealership, and said to my salesman, Hey, how do I get one of these, in there? He just looked over his glasses at me, like an old, pissed off, Librarian.
I ended up using a rental trailer to keep away from squatting,
My job had me just driving 160 to 180, 000 Highway miles a year, from snow covered highways, to the SW deserts at 130* outside. The Honda was flawless, and on 93 octane got 35+ MPG. I even bought one for my Daughter when she went off to Collage.
She just bought a Ford Maverick Hybrid Pick up, and is over the Moon for it.
We'll see? lol!
@@aussie2uGA Almost certainly not going to happen. The replacement for the 3.5 is another 3.5 that doesn't offer any better performance or economy. Some people just look at specs and don't realize that a leaf sprung solid axle is usually going to do better hauling a lot of weight than IRS regardless of what payload ratings are. I've had minivans with more payload than full size pickups but in the real world when you loaded them up there was no comparison in how they handled it.
I am keeping my mk4 TDI 2003. And my mk4 VW 1.8t Jetta wagon. Both with a 5 speed manual. Have all the tools mechanical knowledge. I have stock pilled spear parts engines. Seats even extra catalytic converters.
Hey, you mentioned in the beginning of this Video that toyota uses the bmw engine in the supra. This happens to be the most reliable 6 Cylinder engine currently around. Plus it is super easy to modify.
You talk about Stellantis having to lift off the "body" to access the engine. That's exactly what Toyota will have to do to replace these recalled engines. Presumably they will first do some checking to see if they actually have to do that before going to all that effort. The big question is will that checking properly determine if any given engine is at risk for failure? If it's really a design flaw, as I'm beginning to hear more and more, then all of those engines will have to be replaced (or warranted). So far, Toyota has not been willing to admit to a design problem and have claimed machining debris is causing it. This is suspicious because they've known about these failures for over two years. Modifying the machining process to properly flush out the debris could've been implemented is short order some time ago, yet the failures have persisted to the present with 2024 models among the failed group. A design flaw would explain that. In any case, this is a big headache for Toyota, their dealers, and customers. These trucks will forever carry this cloud of concern and this will be reflected in their value to people when they're sold or traded in. No solution is going to be received well. It's a mess.
Tyler. Did you say the Toyota plans to switch to the Inline 6 turbo (a Straight Six) and shelf the V-6 tt. I listened twice and that seems to be what you have stated ? If so that would be great news and if they could make it easily servicable it would be a win win but I would be surprised. Maybe do two inline 3 cylinders from the corrolla gr to combine as a straight 6
I keep forgetting about the time difference. Im watching in the UK at 4:30pm
No! You can only watch it in the morning! You broke the rules!
@@genericsomething I know! tbh I usually watch whilst I am at the gym
@@CarsofGlasgow The internet police will overlook your transgression if you're at the gym. I don't know why, but those are the rules.
I was thinking about this the other day. An early suggestion for Halloween costumes is a Star Trek theme. April could be "Seven of Nine" in a tight body suit and stiletto shoes like Seven. It would be super sexy and Hoovie as "Data". Just an idea...
Why did they keep building those engines after they already knew about the flaw?
Arrogance.
What year did Ford resolve the issues with the Eco boost V6 that made them more reliable?
2015
Great some more expert mechanical engineers with valid educated opinions. The 4.6 and 5.7 had issues when originally launched too. And they were producing far less. The V6 has much more production in less time. And yet the amount of engines being recalled is still less than past Toyota engine recalls.