When I write my books, the fact that most of my characters rn't straight won't be a super major plot point. I mean, there will be reactions, there will be discovering themselves, but it won't be the main plot of the story, nor a twist. I have much better twists than that to use.
Well, I would say it being a twist makes sense in some scenarios, specifically in Andi Mack when it is revealed that Cyrus has a thing for Jonah. It makes sense for it to be a twist because it takes place in a middle school -- the time when everyone is figuring all that out. It's a twist to us because it's a twist to them. I don't think that it should always be a twist, but sometimes it makes sense for it to be a twist.
Ok but like is it weird that I love when one of the hot male characters that all the females have a crush on is like “ oh yeah, sorry I like dudes” I love that because it feels like the butt of the joke is now the straight people. It’s great. Let the straights become the butt.
There is also NO reason for Betty and Veronica to kiss for the audition to be more impressive. Like, you're there to audition for cheerleading spots, not for a porno or anything else like that. Dancing does not require making out.
@@pjnk8660 i think it was an attempt to showcase what Veronica will do for power idk honestly the show isn't that great maybe i'm just looking into it too much
You know what's so frustrating, that little 2 second gay dance scene in Beauty and the Beast actually got my mom mad. At the time I wasnt out so she had no filter per usual, she went on a rant the entire ride home about how they shouldn't put gays in movies, especially kids movies because it would normalize it. Both of us arguing over this little 2 second representation. Ridiculous.
And that is exactly why it should be shown more often. It is normal. At least one in ten people (statistically, tough I think the number should be higher) is lgbt+ In shows and movies we are happy with one character in fifty!
Your moms close minded is why. Lgbt community is only gonna get bigger in the future than how it is now. It’s normal, you’ll never go out in the world and only see just straight people. They try to normalize it or some companies do, through kids shows but it’s always thrown to the side
Same when the movie came out I was excited to see it and was just having a casual conversation with my mom and my uncle and he goes no you don’t need to be watching that and they proceed to go on their whole gay is sin monologue
Rizzoli and Isles was so frustratingly queerbaity that my 60 year old, church leader, catholic mother was enraged by the fact that they never got together. Like she doesn't even understand completely what gay culture or lesbianism is but she sure did ship those two ladies.
It's not queerbaiting. They likes the same guy in the first episode and it's clearly a sisterly bond. Can two people of the same gender not show any platonic love for each other without it being queerbaiting? My best friend and I are exactly like them in our attitude and chemistry together and we've a strong sisterly bond.
Riverdale annoys me so much because Jughead was asexual. But then in the show, he’s not. And aces have basically no good stated representation apart from maybe two characters.
@Jack Black I believe in Archie, the comic book that riverdale was based off, it was pretty much stated he wasn't interested in dating anyone. I've not read it but I heard something like that
@@Minceraft69 Raphael in Shadowhunters is a confirmed asexual but he kind of has a toxic relationship with a girl (nothing to do with him being ace but I don't know if it invalidates him from behing a good representation)
I've even heard Cole Sprouse talk about this on podcasts, and I feel like he's the type of person that wouldn't have batted an eyelash at playing an asexual character (from what I've seen of him on social media)... But they still felt the need to change his character. 🤦♀️Saying this as an actual asexual person (not a unicorn), so I feel the frustration. What frustrates me the most about Aces and representation... is not Aces and how they're represented, but just the fact that, apparently, all stories have to have romance in them. Like, a main character isn't a "main character" without romance. I loved Avatar: The Last Airbender in almost every way, except for the forced romance between Aang and Katara. Aang was 12/13!!! He didn't need to find his "forever love" and have his whole life figured out at the end of the show.
@@AnastasiaIvanova03 Betty and Cole was a weird couple to begin with and their personalities clash in all the wrong ways. Also you got a point about Avatar!
the way bi people are portrayed in every form of media, it's no wonder straight people say we "don't exist." finding good bi representation is actually as hard as finding a real unicorn lmao
@@skrittle555 I'm bi and I agree that it's hard to find some good representation for us. But I think I've found a great portrayal, at least from my perspective, in the tv show Shadowhunters. It's one of the first series that has made me feel like my sexuality has been properly represented.
Man I love it when my incredibly platonic friend sends me dozens of incredibly platonic flowers in the name of our very straight and very platonic friendship, best thing ever
I already posted this above, but I wanted to repost because it references my feelings on the scene you're mentioning and whether or not it counts as queerbaiting, and bare with me, I do have reasons why I think it might not be. Sorry for how long it is...But give it a try. Regarding Supercorp, I have thoughts that come from a story/ character development point, that make my feelings on this muddled. Because I totally see the ship and the moments that feed into a dynamic that is more than platonic, but the story they were telling that season also gives legitimate reason for some of the behaviors seen; and if the writers had reasons for the choices they made outside of hinting at a relationship that would never happen, I don't know if that can be called queerbaiting. To me queerbaiting is putting in dialogue and scenes that hint at a romantic pairing that will never happen, specifically to draw a LGBT audience and I don't know that Supergirl did that for 3 reasons. 1. The season arc ends with Lena accidentally helping the villain of the season build a device that will bring an alien invasion to earth. She doesn't ask any questions about this potentially dangerous device and throws herself into its construction because Rhea forms a bond with her, showing her positive emotional support that Lena had never really had before from an adult female role model. This entire sequence is predicated on the idea that Lena is emotionally starved for positive interactions with others, and shows that when she gets those positive relationships, she throws her self into them, sometimes inappropriately. So while giving a room full of flowers to someone who said nice things about you in an interview is really over the top and romantic, the show writers were at the time trying to establish the character traits I just mentioned above as well. Therefore, the act (and others like it) could also have just been the insecure overreaction of someone who had been desperate for that validation of their choices, and been key moments of Lena's development that would help establish her as a character who would make the choices she makes later in the season. 2. People also point out how close they got so quickly, and they really did lets be honest, but things were happening behind camera that could have impacted the story choices made this season as well. The show had at the start of season 2 changed networks and filming location. In doing so they lost 3-4 members of their season 1 cast. Including mentor Cat Grant and friend/ colleague Lucy Lane. This season had to introduce new characters who filled those roles, further develop existing characters, alter aspects of season one which had not worked, and tell the seasons story, each of which needed screen time. But they also needed the dynamic that Cat and Lucy filled, the strong independent friend who Kara could talk to, but who didn't know her secret, quickly. Lena was that character, and they rushed the meeting and friendship forming to get to the storytelling point they wanted to be at and clear up screen time for other plot points they wanted to fit in, which made it seem like they had a whirlwind relationship that seemed more than friends, but I don't know that it was purposefully intended that way. 3. The third main point I see is the fact that the characters in general do have a lot in common. They were both adopted at older ages, they both are defined in the media by older male family members, they both are powerful women who have been met with criticism, they both are trying to establish them selves personally and professionally, and they are both single. All of this does form a strong foundation for a relationship and they show does play into that. The thing is that can also be true for a friendship. We are also friends with people who we share commonalities with and having those things in common alone isn't enough to say the writers were trying to hint at a romantic relationship. This point only stands its ground when added to others. When you say "Lena and Kara got close so quickly, and Lena kept doing these big romantic gestures for Kara, and they have so much in common" it all adds up to an audience being baited by writers. But if they were close because of production needs, and the gestures where necessary points of Lena's character, then the only purposeful writing choice that you have that hints at the writers trying to bait the audience for ratings sake is the fact that they have things in common... and I just don't know that that's enough.
Hm... Yeah. You have never send flowers to you friends? I'll have you know that my best friend did it! She send flowers to her other best friend and it was so special that we created a whole cerimony for them to exchange their golden friendship rings next saturday! Idk why they want us to dress fancy but I hear we get to be drunk for an entire night. Ya know... Just those little bff things.
They had so many opportunities, so many hints. Just a little throwaway line that confirmed it would've been fine. Not even "i'm bi", just something unambiguous and impossible to deny that confirms he's bi. Hell, Dylan wanted Stiles to be bi, which is probably why it's reflected so much in his acting.
@@ransherman1611 Except for the promo material. Because at least in Teen Wolf they aren't afraid to have gay characters, just sadly not the main characters. But in season 6 Ethan and Jackson kissing after beating up some bad guys was badass.
@@frauleinzuckerguss1906 What do you mean? Riverdale has gay characters as well lol. Cheryl is arguably a main character, and she's confirmed to be a lesbian that's got a bisexual girlfriend that's more interested in women.
@@ransherman1611 It's not the worst example, but Stiles was baited as being into guys from the very first episode, and when fans latched onto that they pushed it further and then randomly dropped it when the expectation they make it canon started to get too high. Which, better than Sherlock and Supernatural to be fair, they just kept doing it and then laughing at their audience WITHIN THE SHOW for thinking they were serious. But still. Stiles being bi was definitely queerbaited, and having a few side characters hanging around doesn't change that. I love Caitlin and Jackson, and they were definitely handled better than most, but to give us that representation with side characters (and only side characters) while baiting a main character doesn't make everything okay.
i actually wouldn't mind the 'star trek' and 'beauty & beast' clips as just little easter eggs, but like you said, the problem is doing a big rollout patting themselves on the back for the "representation".. if they'd said nothing and just let audiences catch it on their own then it might have actually been kind of fun, but making a big announcement manages to somehow capture the worst of both worlds: conservative parents stay away while lgbtq+ audiences just feel frustrated/annoyed..
I know i'm very late to the party, but I feel like I have to defend the Star Trek one - it's very subtle because it's not really about adding queer romance to the story, it's added as a tribute to the original actor, George Takei, who is gay. That's why it was 'hyped,' not because a gay character was added, and I think that's cute! 🤗
Wow I'm actually so angry that people can sit down and think they should add scenes like this to their shows/movies and think they have done the LGBT+ community a favor. What a load of crap!
These shows should learn from True Blood. The series had queerbaiting, but was so organic to the series, it really made you understand its existence, of course if you take vampire blood you will have erotic dreams with the vampire ... Of course it does not matter if you are straight.
well kinda, he was only ace in one or two comics and Archie comics have been around for forever so... but yeah they could have at least made him ace but not aro, or made him demi, something like that.
Haha yeah I swear his most said phrase in the comics was "I hate women". He never showed any interest in anyone which is why I was so upset when they immediately threw him with Betty in Riverdale
Politisch Interessiert more like aromantic representation (Remember, asexuals or those on the asexual spectrum ((like me)) can still have romantic relationships, even queer romantic relationships ((like me, an asexual/demisexual panromantic person)). We just don’t feel sexual attraction!)
Because neither are queerbaiting. Can two people not show strong bonds and platonic love without it being queerbaiting? House was going around sleeping with countless women in the show and Wilson had many wives. Clearly not gay and Rozzoli and Isles liked the same guy in ep 1. My best friend and I have very similar relationship to those shows. A sisterly bond.
i only know this clip and i never seen the show so I was super pissed because it makes me feel even more like an object to be gawked at by straight men who find two girls kissing "SO HOT" you know, those guys who ask to watch you when you tell them that you're not straight. It feels like this scene caters to them only
I was talking to some straight friends (not particularly LGBT literate) about queerbating. They thought that I was advocating for shoehorning gays into every single bit of media from now on. They'd clearly never heard of queerbating. A half-hour long argument with me advocating for actually explicitly (not in the NSFW way) gay characters in media, and them thinking I'm militant for wanting queer representation in all shows, movies, and books. In retrospect, I'm wonder why we can't make shoehorning gay relationships a thing? We do it for straight people all the time! Side note: do you know how freaking tired I am of shoehorning straight relationships where they don't belong? The hunger games series would have been better without the straight romance. So would divergent, and the selection- actually, there was no saving the selection... *Thinks about the Trainwreck that is the selection series... Snaps out of it* Anyway, but pretty much every teen adventure novel has an arbitrary straight relationship in it. Why can't everything else be like that? If nothing else, it would give us a little more variety, and we might get some accidentally great representation!
I completely agree with you on everything, but I would argue that the romance subplot in the Hunger Games is relevant- it’s there to illustrate how the Capital focuses on stupid petty nonsense instead of the atrocities they commit, and Katniss actively gets annoyed at having to play it up for appearances sake when she doesn’t really care that much. Though that is much better illustrated in the books than the films.
I wish I could upvote this a thousand times. Straight relationships are thought to be a must for some reason, but people start protesting when LGBT people advocate for more representation.
I didn't mind the romance storyline in the Hunger Games. I did mind the stupid Love triangle thing they pulled with Gale. That was very forced and also reinforced the whole "male and female friendships will always actually be romance" trope.
rewatching the teen wolf stuff just makes me sad. like 14 year old me was lapping up anything i could get at the possibility of bi characters and to look back now to see how queer-baity it was is just... sad
Yes! Like when I watched the show all of those scenes made genuinely so happy. Watching them now just makes me sad to feel all that frustration again when there was never anything coming off it
Even more so when you find out someone who worked on the show the producer or writer forgot which part he played, just know it was major is gay. He saw those scenes knew it was queerbaiting and never notice thought they should stop or just make the character gay. The last season had so much queerbaiting between 2 guys who "hate" yet you barely saw one without the other.
Another thing that’s really frustrating about the Supergirl scene is that they, in the very next episode, have a moment where a guy, that has never met kara before, fills her entire apartment with flowers as a romantic gesture. So they literally say that when it’s a girl doing it it’s platonic but when a guy does it it’s romantic.
@@hydrasimmons1013 Nope, but we're still desperately waiting for it! The blonde one is Kara Danvers, who is secretly Supergirl, and her sister has a beautiful coming out arc, but Supercorp (the shipping name of the two in the clip), is still being implicitly and let's be real explicitly teased. Like, just look up Supercorp. You'll see. I will blindly still be waiting and hoping till the literal last episode.
The Pitch Perfect franchise had the worst queerbait. Beca (played by Anna Kendrick), goes to college, meets some guy she's OBVIOUSLY going to end up falling in love with by the end of the movie, yadda yadda. That is until you meet Chloe (played by Brittany Snow) that makes you question if those two will have a potentional relationship. Also, an honorable mention is the fact that they DID have a lesbian character, but only used her for punchlines throughout the entire movie. Once this first film was made, "Bechloe" became this huge thing and most Pitch Perfect fans saw the chemistry, too... (including me). So of course, the writers took advantage of that and wrote up some even more questionable scenes in the next film. While competing in their A Capella world, they meet a German group called "DSM", and they toy with that. Beca became flustered by the main girl on their rival team, and said "just because you're making me very sexually confused does not mean you're intimidating". Yeah. This goes on for the rest of the film, but of course not with two more queerbaity bechloe scene! During a trip to try and find themselves again, the group learns they will have to share a tent together (keep in mind, there's 10+ girls). Beca and Chloe are upside down from another; meaning that Chloe's eyes were to Beca's forehead, vice versa. Beca, being the grumpy character she's supposed to be, begins to complain about having to be crammed in with everyone - that resulted in Chloe asking her if she needed a back rub as she pushed a loose strand of hair out of Beca's face. But wait, it gets better! They have the NERVE to make Chloe tell Beca: "You know, one of my biggest regrets is that I didn't do enough experimenting in college," while staring Beca dead in the eyes. To make matters worse, one of the directors (Elizabeth Banks) even said that the scene was based off of the Spider-Man and Mary Jane kiss scene. Of course, though, nothing happens by the end of that film. The other scene, they actually acknowledged bechloe. Beca and Chloe got into a fight - I'll save some time and spare the details - and Fat Amy (Rebel Wilson) steps in, mentioning HER ship name for them. "Bloe". Needs some work, but I like her mindset. And now, we finish it off with the most queerbaited movie of the franchise: Pitch Perfect 3. Almost every single promotion for it was bechloe related. Brittany Snow posted a picture on Instagram of her dyed red hair, captioning it: "I hope Beca likes my hair", meanwhile Kendrick responded with something very similar. Then in the trailer, they made sure to add the clip of Chloe feeling up Beca (pushing up on her boobs) - out of all the scenes! And the worst one out of them all: they shot a video of Brittany and Anna walking towards each other, and then acting like they were about to kiss... but right before they actually did, they pull away and gave promotion for pre-ordered tickets. Throughout the entire movie, they were trying to push a new guy love interest onto Beca, but Anna Kendrick refused because she knew her fans wanted bechloe - and so did she. Chloe ended up with some guy, and they wrote in specifically that after they all performed on stage, Beca goes looking for Chloe and sees the two (Chloe and the dude) kissing, looking dejected. Rebel Wilson, Chrissie Fit and Shelley Regner all confirmed that Anna Kendrick and Brittany Snow actually filmed a kiss scene, and it was supposed to be when Chloe kisses the guy, but Universal cut it and didn't even put it on DVD, let alone allow anyone to release it. It was also rumored (not entirely sure) that Beca and Chloe were originally supposed to be the main couple - not sure if that was in the novel or not - but Universal was afraid they wouldn't get a big enough audience so they decided to write in some cheesy, cliché boyfriend for Beca. In conclusion, FUCK UNIVERSAL!
can’t even be mad at anna kendrick and brittany snow because they really pushed for bechloe, even going so far as forcing the studio to let them film a kiss and then universal cut it out even after making them film the ‘swipe up’ queer bait advert presumably the same day like wtf
that kid: literally do not like Pitch Perfect, but fuck that actually pisses me off. Pretty sure I would have gave the movie a chance if I knew that. Damn, that’s upsetting.
@@beaversfan8116 I was going to mention Nico but then forgot XD I like that not only does he avoid percy because he blames him for the whole sister thing, but because he feels guilty liking him. It fits in well with his character. I've also heard there's a gender fluid person in the norse series, but I'm bad at committing to the book.
well the thing with Star Trek is that there was a kiss between Hikaru and Ben and the cutted it out of the movie. And the actor was super angry about it because "we didn't made out. We only gave eachother a decent "Happy to see you again" kiss" And that is so sad! That the actors and writers put so much effort into the relationship to honor George Takei. And they filmed that scene in Dubai and no actor there wanted to play a gay charcter so the director jumped in and played the husband of Hikaru. And then the studio used it the whole time as advertisment for the movie... just to cut in the end! And that is 100% queerbaiting, even it is actual queer representation
@TheKarlOshaughnessy well i don't think disgusted is the right word. But he thinks they should not have made Hikaru gay, because he was never written as gay. But of course he is totally here for gay representation
@@sporesims9303 And Vulcan was never written has destroyed. And Khan wasn't written as a white guy. And Spock and Uhura were never written as in love. Do you see where I'm going with this?
@@sporesims9303 I hate the new storyline but it is what is. That's my point. You saying "Oh, gay representation" when everything else that was understood as true in the original storyline was changed, seems...silly. "Never written has gay" is meaningless considering all the wholesale and huge changes to every other character in the new re-boot storyline. I mean, Scotty and his little friend/helper? That's a completely new character that NEVER existed in the former storyline.
and that exacly why they cut off the kiss, because people already scream like crazy only with that and they are not happy. why just why just let go its fine. They try to do the step to make things change slowly
as a gay 14yr old me seeing the two guys with the daughter made me feel so happy but also wanna cry. I just wanna see men being happy and growing old together and know that I can do that. it hurts so much that all im seeing is negativity and stereotypes
BBC Sherlock is the one that still pisses me off. Apart from the disvussed point, that if either one of them was a different gender, it basically would have been Bones... apart from the fact that it was so queer coded that folks Outside with Super Heteronormative Gazes were still asking if they were in love or whatever... ... BBC adverts explicitly traded on it! In particular, i remember one on twitter for season 4, and the on-screen text was "Sherlock is in love! But with Who????". When there was literally only a single recurring female character it could possibly be, and literally that character was the only female in that trailer... but there must needs be at least two options???? It's only Molly and John in that trailer with him. "But with whom????" That is Literal bait.
That was not the only thing that BBC Sherlock did wrong but it surely was one of their biggest mistakes. I love the show but they should have known better.
The first one had me triggered. Causse i literally remember how the played the bisexuality card with Styles for like 6 seasons and gave us nothing. Im so pissed all over again.
They were actually going to in season 6, where when stiles was taken by the hunt, because he was originally going to be there with Derek but Tyler was filming Supergirl at the time so he couldnt be there and they had to change the script
@@Skirne Yeah I might be more inclined to believe that if they hadn't ship teased for so long. Because let me be clear, I do not believe the Sterek baiting is for the Gays (tm) it's for the fangirls that ship them.
Idigam Studios true but i shipped them when i was like 10 or some shit! even me a 10 year old picked up on the tension between them, and it’s honestly sad
Titan of light That might of been it, he was uncomfortable with doing a sex scene that’s why the Stalia sex scene wasn’t really much of a scene. He’s very firm in what kind of things he’s willing to portray on screen.
@@nique7501 yeah i guess he never really felt comfortable with that, i think he never did a shirtless scene either. Im ok with that cause its his right i'm unhappy with jeff, because after season one i'm sure he must've discussed it with dylan and tyler and yet he kept allowing things like this being written. And my bigger problem is that he projected this on Mason and Brett but it wasn't payed off cause he paired him with Cory even though it was established before that Brett was his crush. Also lets be real sterek became a transcendent thing, to the point that even after the show ended its a ship that can still go toe to toe with super natural, so there came a point where fans new it wasn't happening so there was no need to put stuff to make stiles seem sexually ambiguous like all the charged moments with Theo that was just weird
Titan of light I think Brett was just a crush on a hot guy type of thing, I think a lot of it after Season 1 was partly fan service, they knew how big Sterek was as a ship so they fed into that. I never got Steo vibes though maybe I just wasn’t paying that close attention but I genuinely felt like the relationship between was purely Stiles hates the very ground he walks on. They kind of did something similar with Stiles’ real name, never actually telling us until the last season except in this case they don’t ever tell us.
The Norse had no known laws against homosexuality before Christianity became common place. As long as he wasn't "passive" the dude may have been able to have relationships with guys with out a hassle, as long as they were clearly equals. At least he would if he wasn't a cartoon.
the thing is, there is very little record about the vikings as they didn't bother documenting their stuff and those who did got raided by them, i agree that its possible but sadly we cannot know for sure. on the subject of gobber it is important to note he is in love with stoic even though he knew nothing will happen between them and even though he was happy for stoic and valka. i find it unlikely he would hook up with someone else regardless if it was legal for him to marry with another man.
"Bloody straight people" "LOOK!!! THE GAYS ARE COMING!!!" "Guybeer, Gaybriel whatever the fork his name is" This entire video is so hilariously quotable
The amount of parallels between Kara/Lena in Supergirl vs Clark/Lois in many Superman stories is unbelievable too and a lot of their story goes back to that "if one of them was a man" thing and it just pisses me off lmao
For real. I was hoping they could at least do something like "Lena is in love with Kara but Kara is straight and can't love her the same way" if they really didn't want to have them together... but flat out ignoring that there's even a situation going on is just insulting
Yeah it’s bad enough when you think about what they did in the show, but it just makes me more pissed off that most of the cast made fun of the fans shipping supercorp in that Con video.
@@fragmentsofanusha that's probably another reason why kara isn't gay because its "apparently" unheard of that two people in one family would be gay...that and shes a huge super hero and they probably don't feel like dealing with backlash so they don't wanna risk it
@@GLAASJEMELC True and i guess this also shows how they re possibly not taking Cheryl's sexuality serious? Idk if they had the idea of her being queer at s1 but it could have had a lot of potential to add to her self-exploration and character development. but tbh i stopped halfway through s2 so idk how the show is moving right now
I remember hearing that How to train your dragon was going to have a gay character so I was waiting for something to happen while watching the movie and then didn't notice anything. I only just realized that it was that four second scene because you explained it. That's sad.
I think there's an official comic where Hiccup got sick/drunk to a point of hallucination and kissed Tuffnut. I could be wrong though. It's only implied, but so heavily to a point that the others outright joke about it
the difference is that there was no official marketing around it. It was just people noticing it. It's not queerbaiting it's just an information we learn about the character. It's people who saw the premiere who talked about it
Yeah especially before Christianity and when it wasn't considered to be a "sin." There was literally nothing stopping him from having a husband and living a happy life
Jessica Braud Thé thing is that before homosexuality was a sin, you still needed to marry straight to carry on the bloodline, you could have whatever side piece you want tho
@@jessicabraud3307 why are u acting like christianity is the only reason gay people are oppressed. Like islamic countries are still throwing gays off buildings??? its religion in general.
not much record left on vikings, since they didn't bother wirting it and those who did got raided by them. so i don't know if same sex marriage was a thing for them or not. regardless i do not agree that it was queerbaiting because when would it come up? and romance seem unlikely for him as he was clearly in love with stoic even if he knew it would never happen. would people feel better if gobber announce "oh by the way, I'm gay" to the world for no reason?
@@SnarkyPhilo yeah I'm ace too and even b4 it was confirmed I'd always known he was like me( this was b4 im knew there was word 4 my orientation) he was/is my fav Archie character. And riverdale took that from us, one of the few asexual characters they straightwashed him. It's makes me sick.
@@PeachyBeinsyeah, same. I had no idea what the term for what I was until I hit my mid-twneties. I used to use Jughead and Data from Star Trek when someone asked me about why I was never interested in dating, romance and sex (I'm the Aro Ace variety). It was especially annoying as the actor even said he was willing, and supported, playing Jug as an Ace character. So we know several someones at CW/CBS were hetronormative/homonormative dicks over the situation.
I can relate to that. When I was younger and long before i realized the termonology of what I was, my guardians noticed that I never really brought home anyone or expressed any sort of romantic or sexual interest in others. They first told me that If I was gay they would be perfectly fine with it, but I explained I was not sexually or romantically attracted to people (using Data and Jughead to help explain) and at the time I called my self Negative Bi for lack of better knowledge. When I did get the knowledge and explained it to them again, they still held the notion that I must have been bad touched as a kid or something while in the foster home. To this day, it was easier for them to accept my being trans before being asexual. @FearlessAstridHofferson
See, I'm Ace as well, and I like Betty and Jughead as a couple. (they've always been my favourite characters in the Archie comics - individually, not as a couple) Their relationship in the show is really sweet and they could've made Jughead ace AND paired them up if they have a scene where perhaps Betty wants to take it further but then they have a conversation where he admits into her but not sexually, comes out as ace and yet they still make their relationship work. It can show that you can be Ace and still be in a healthy relationship, that love isn't just about sex, and could break some of the stigma surrounding asexuality. Besides, Archie and Veronica have enough sex to please the network anyway.
I always read Jug with an Aro vibe with his Ace, but I can totally see what you mean as well. They could have had an Ace character in a romance on the show if they were so gung ho on the whole ship. @@happychaosofthenorth
I’m a Supercorp shipper (Kara and Lena in Supergirl) and I am in AGONY every episode because they have SUCH good chemistry together and it’s so obvious they love each other.
Clearly they put her with him just to ensure that she had a love interest that was a man so they wouldn’t make the show “too gay” with already having pairings like Alex and Maggie, and now Alex and Kelly.
i am glad they at least have alex and now nia. but there also was some chemistry between kara and kate in the crossover episodes that really frustrated me.
just someone Oh my gods I’m so glad someone else mentioned that! The chemistry between Kara and Kate was off the charts you could see it even in the short scenes they were in together, so now they’ve totally made me into a Superbat shipper even though I know it’s already sunk before it could sail. But that’s what fanfics are for I guess
i think merlin is different case, because the writers clearly wanted merlin and arthur to be together (i mean, the dialogue very much suggested there was something there) but couldn't because it's based on the legend of arthur and so he must end up with gwen. shame really. i mean, sure i like qwen, she is awesome, but she and arthur just didn't have what he had with merlin.
@@ransherman1611 I don't think that would have been the reason they didn't go ahead with it, since they certainly made some other major-ish changes from the legends, I think it was more that BBC wouldn't let them, as it was a kid's show. which is of course stupid, but this was almost a decade ago (crazy!), but yeah it was very very very clear that there were eXTREMELY gay undertones (even overtones) to merlin and arthur's relationship.
@@entertain7us148 could indeed be the network, won't be the first time. shame when stupid cowardly executives stand in the way of creative freedom. it is also a shame when a show get accused of queerbaiting when in reality they gone through hell against the network in an attempt to portray same sex relationship only to be shut down by the network. the legend of korra is a good example of that. but yeah, as i said, i love qwen, but arthur and merlin has something stronger and it could have been really special if it was followed through.
As a gay who watched rizzoli and isles from beginning to end, I can confirm ‘it’s just sad’ is the proper reaction. I was constantly pissed off but so hopeful that I just couldn’t stop watching. Now it’s over I kind of hate myself for all the time and love I poured into that show - the storylines were ludicrous at best, but the chemistry of the leads kept me coming back. On the plus side, it spawned a fantastic fan fiction community because we were all so fucking desperate lol.
I watched that show with my mom when I was younger. I, not paying all that much attention and missing random episodes, thought they were dating. Looking at it now, I'm so mad that they weren't. Uuughh
But it's not qweerbaiting...it was clearly a sisterly bond? Can two people of the same aex/gender not show any platonic love to each other without it being qweerbating? In the very first episode they liked the same guy 😂 my best friend and I have the same chemistry and attitude is them and we have a sisterly bond.
@@i.m.7911 Destiel is a shipp between Cass and Dean. A lot of moments in the series suggest that their relationship is beyond friendship, but the crew denies it. It's super annoying that they only bait us. I suggest you to look here on yt some compilation videos with moments of destiel, then you can take your own conclusions =D
@@i.m.7911 or watch are they gay's video on destiel and see how much they implied it yet somehow it didnt become canon lol. shame cuz castiels actor really seemed upset about it and had spoken with the directors and stuff about making it canon or just stopping the baiting but never happened.
I think the "I don't like labels" thing is in there because it appeals so much to straight people who see themselfes as allies but never reflected that there is inequality. So it's so easy to say, oh, we're all the same and now let's enjoy the harmony of what we don't realize is a very specific straight world. I kind of want to create narratives of straightbaiting...
@@moonwalker98787 I agree. Like even in the first episode it has them both interested in the same guy and establishes them like supportive sisters more than a couple. And at multiple points they declare the other as family.
@Jon Snow Also I love how you have this attitude that people have to declare their sexuality or gender situation before stating an opinion just to validated because if they're cis and straight they're not validated enough to be taken seriously???
@@moonwalker98787 what Jon Snow was saying was that if this was a scene between a man and a woman, you wouldn't say they were siblings or family. The scene felt too genuine to just be platonic and many people in this comments section feel like they were in a relationship. You are free to have your own opinion, but if you can say two characters are straight if the context changed, then this is why videos like this exist. It exposes why queerbaiting is so harmful and why people are so upset about this.
@@nabbitabbott6161 no Jon snow was being an asshole assuming my sexuality because I had a different opinion. Rozzoli and Isles have had straight scenes like this between platonic friends and between her and her mother. This scene is nothing new for the show. I've had interactions like this with my platonic friends too. It doesn't automatically means mean romance. Affection doesn't = Romance.
The thing is with these scenes is that they establish these "friendships" in such a way that their bond is so solid and close, that I can't see these people in relationships with other people because that is nowhere close to the "friendship". It just doesn't compare, so when they try to convince me that instead of being in love with their friend, they're in love with the straight romantic interest - it just doesn't work. There is loving somebody and being in love with somebody, and tv shows sometimes confuse the signs of these two or deliberately change the dynamic for their own gain. It pisses me off.
I was like 11-16 when I was watching Rizzoli and Isles with my parents, and I always really wanted them to end up together. As a young lesbian I was really struggling with my sexuality and understanding friendship versus romance, and the queerbaiting in that show did not help.
We must meme them! The many moods of Calum remind me of all of those animal pics people have with those random ass faces like the ones of cats that look startled and so they use them for the "lesbians eat what?!" or the "guilty dogs" or the cats twisted belly up and looking up mid-clean with thos supposedly 'seductive looking facial expressions' but it is usually them going 'oh human, why are you disturbing me during something so private and intimate?! i have to kill you now for this disruption!' but some humans using the expression for "oh i"m sorry! i didn't see you there! did you want to join (me)?!"
One instance of queerbating that frustrated me to no end is in voltron. They announced that one of the main characters was gay and that he used to have a fiancé. We knew that they weren't together anymore but that we would get a flashback. That flashback consisted of a fight with nothing showing that they were together at all (they could have just been friends) and then the only other scene with the fiancé, he dies.
I actually think the Adam Shiro relationship was really well done. It depicted an adult relationship ending because one chose career. I think it actually matched up really well with Shiro's story and character so far. I think it going any other way would have not aligned will with what's been the show's track record with Shiro. There have been a number of rushed relationships in Voltron they don't so too well with it because it is an action childrens cartoon. However I do think the marketing built it up too much. They should have just put in Adam and not made such a fuss. for something so small. If they were going to make a big hoopla it should have been given more time to be fleshed out.
Mmm yes. The relationship, was whatever and I may have been really upset when Adam died-but the biggest thing is that they hyped up Shiro being in a relationship with him, to get people to watch. If you look on Netflix, Adam is on the fucking like cover for it like he was some huge character. He literally had five minuets in the show.
Also in Beauty and the Beast there's one of the villagers that gets attacked by the Wardrobe you know when they get dressed as women and he really likes the way he's looking in drag so the Wardrobe looks at him with a grin and tells him go be free my child or something like that
Yes, that's Stanley, the guy LeFou dances with in the end. I really liked the movie, because of the fact that they gave LeFou so much more character and I definitely like Stanley too.
i mean i am a queer woman who is really deep in the whole fandom "we are analyzing every little piece and trope of a movie" thing and when i watched HTTYD i didn't get it. I was sitting there like: Nice, okay he never got married. Okay." And then over a year later i readed someone on tumblr saying: Yeah and the gay representation we got in HTTYD" and i was like: What representation?!" So i sit down and read a lot of newspaper articles and watched youtibe videos and then i had the exact same reaction: This?! THis was the representation?!"
@@idontknowdude3021 not really related, but i had to look up "enby" bc of your comment. wow i feel dumb for never making the connection to "N.B." lmao. guess i'm getting old. but i'm enby as well and i think i'll start using that!
I literally went on a rant about LeFou yesterday and now my friends and I have a joke where we say dancing with someone of the same gender automatically makes you gay because according to that film it's enough to promote the film as having an 'openly gay' character. It makes me so angry.
It's crazy too how much backlash it got for that short ass scene. People were like why would you change it. It was fine the way it was, and theres no real reason to change that. I don’t see how people were upset about the fact that there was a gay character when the scene took up like no scene time..in fact we should be upset
That's exactly what I was thinking this whole time and no one seems to have mentioned it!? How does a man dancing with another suddenly make them gay? I haven't seen the film so I don't know much but if that is supposed to be any kind of representation that's bullshit!
@@la.uralox Throughout the whole movie they hint at the character being gay and attracted to Gaston. Even during the song where he's cheering Gaston up, he grabs the guys arms and wraps them around his shoulders. They play it off as a choke when he asks Gaston, "Too much?" Which then Gaston says it is. The scene shows that one: he's gay and has some sort of attraction to Gaston. Two: Gaston knows he gay and doesn't care that much. Three: Him being attracted to Gaston feeds the douche bags ego. Around the end of the movie, he has a conversation with one of the objects that let him know Gaston isn't right for him and he can do better and around the end of the movie he's seen the background dancing with another guy. The Filmmaker nor Disney made a big deal of it, what had happened was blogs were talking about it constantly because of some homophobic country not playing it in theaters because of the dance scene.
*just because a bisexual character is being presented in a heterosexual relationship,, doesn’t mean they’re any less bisexual. Just putting that out there.*
Victoria Trixie I’m talking about the idea that stiles stilinski was queerbait. He wasn’t. Just because he had a crush on Lydia doesn’t mean he was straight. It’s scenes like the one they watched that basically confirm he’s not. The idea that there needs to be confirmation or a coming out scene for a character to be “real representation” is very toxic to me. It pushes an agenda on other closeted kids that your sexuality needs to be a bigger thing than what it really is. To some people, it’s just a part of who they are, and it’s not something that needs to be said in such a formal way. To some people, it is something that needs to be said in such a formal way. Everyone is different, and stiles is just one of those people who doesn’t think it’s a big deal. After the end of the show, people just assumed he was straight because of his feelings for Lydia and that he was queerbait. When really, the toxicity is assuming his sexuality based on the feelings being presented and communicated. Sorry I went on a little rant, and got a little off topic but, bottom line is that stiles radiates big bi energy and there doesn’t need to be confirmation to see that.
Kels Saw sexuality is not and it shouldn’t be a big deal but what people are really mad about is that they only gave some hints of his sexuality without any confirmation (I don’t mean inside the show but at least from the writers or producers) and the most upsetting part was the extra clip that was obviously queerbating to get people to vote for them
민슈가Yoongi’sGummySmile yeah I get where people are coming from, I just don’t think there needs to be confirmation for it to be representation. The video of Dylan and Tyler was obviously just fan pandering, I won’t deny that. Agree to disagree I guess.
Lena Luthor is portrayed by Katie McGrath, who was Morgana in Merlin - also a super queerbaiting character! I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but I only just noticed and it deeply annoys me that I hadn't before.
I feel like these example of media are like a couple of conservative parents that don't want to admit that an uncle or aunt is queer, and are trying to find a sly way to explain it to a young person. That's the vibe. It's so sad. Geez.
Yep. I was definitely gay before I even hit the double digits, yet it's something kids should apparently be shielded from. Adults don't seem to fuss over little heterosexuals but homosexuality is still seen as a perversion by these people.
Have you ever been sent any clips of Once Upon a Time, specifically “Swan Queen”, I remember physically crying over how bad I wanted them to be together when I was younger and how powerfully emotional their scenes felt only to be given such heteronormative bullshit from the writers. I stopped watching after a certain season but I know it got bad
"It's never a twist that somebody's straight" reasons why I love fanfic. I did read a story where one of the characters being het was a plot twist. Admittedly, this was in context of working as a gay porn star, but still. It was a very sex-positive environment to come out as actually only doing this because it pays better than het porn.
In my opinion, the only part of Teen Wolf's "queerbaiting" that actually annoys me is the third video, not because of the video itself, but rather because the cast and crew were so reluctant to recognize Stiles and Derek as a ship, mentioning it was annoying and even saying something like "if you're watching the show for this ship, you're watching for the wrong reasons," and then go ahead and use that same ship to get votes. I think the writers always intended for Stiles' sexuality to be left unknown, or at least wanted him to be curious. I personally have no problems with that, considering that the writers always mentioned they wanted to have a diversity of characters and wanted to be inclusive.
Teen Wolf is one of the worst shows when it comes to Queerbaiting, and I abhor Jeff Davis with a passion. I am still pissed to this day about how they used and baited Stiles, especially outside of the show. I think what really got me going was how far Jeff Davis encouraged the queerbaiting, especially outside of the show. The video of Dylan O'Brien and Tyler Hoechlin on the boat is a prime example. I had been really excited because I thought they were hinting toward a relationship between two bisexual (or pan) characters, but it was simply to get LGBT+ views/votes. After season three I put my foot down and dropped the show entirely. Don't even get me started on the people who accuse me of "pushing my gay agenda" onto TV shows when I bring up the issues of queerbaiting.
it's not jeff's fault, he wanted sterek to be a thing lmao. tyler posey demanded for them to not be a thing bc it was overshadowing scallison. do some research before u go hating.
@@jj-uv4rf Could you direct me towards this tidbit of information? What should I google to find this? I really want to know who I should be blaming for the suffering I had to endure for 7 seasons.
@@jj-uv4rf I don't know that tyler not wanting sterek to overshadow scallison would be enough to sway the writers / showrunner? Short of him like, "i'm going to quit if you do this." And even then - just leak that to the media and he'd be in infinitely hot water.
yes, the show has clear gay characters ranging from side characters to supporting and even main (mason) but it's queerbaiting, sure. but yes, stiles, a teenager, being unsure about his sexuality is not at all normal at that age, right? >_< as for stiles and derek, stiles is a teenager, derek is an adult in his early 20's, how sick do you have to be to want them to be a couple?
I’m more just sad and heartbroken these days. Still can barely think about anyone involved without bitterness or disappointment. Probably will never be able to fully get over it, so I get you 😕
Yes. I put so much of my energy into their relationship and I was quite literally heartbroken and it upset me to a point where people around me got worried about my wellbeing. I actually completely stopped shipping anybody unless it's official, because I'm not putting myself through that ever again. Good, authentic LGBT representation may be hard to find, but it's out there
@@viktoria1650 Yes! It was so upsetting I couldn't even fully understand why at the time but this video helped a lot in realising what is so wrong with those things and why we feel like that
It's weird to see Rizzoli&Isles but not House M.D., which in a way was the pioneer for this. The main friendship between House and Wilson was a huge factor of their popolarity and they had so much articles about their bromance, but behind the scene there was a lot of talk about Wilson actually being a possible love interest, especially in the early seasons (Hugh Laurie in particular really liked the idea). They even run off together in the final.
(I know this is very late sorry) Yes with House and the ending always reminds me of Good Omens how Crowley wants to just leave everything and go off with Aziraphale. Honestly, all of BBC shows and so many other shows know what their doing and I feel like they only do it only to attract the LGBT+ audience to watch their show till the end even is it last Decades *cough cough Supernatural* so they can give no representation in the end or just do "last minute gays".
Which one. Aren’t there several. Also, the actors (Jensen and Misha) have actually confirmed that those looks are described as ”eyef*cking” in the scripts they get.
I’ve seen HTTYD sooooo many times and I absolutely adore it and I’ve never ever even considered “one other reason” meant that he was gay. That’s so disappointing
this video raised my blood pressure -- with stiles specifically, dylan o'brien is the only one who confirmed he's straight. italian skam is... a mess, but even the original with skam had queerbaiting with girls fml. so many of these i had never seen before and i--- hate it, but i love this video & the conversation around it. also your hair is amazing.
The queerbaiting when it comes to wlw in Skam is so annoying, especially considering it has good mlm rep, so we know they could do it and with Eskild and now Filippo's speeches they have done their research about what it means to be gay. And then Isak being gay was hinted at for two seasons and in the end that's what he turned out to be while Vilde and Eva were kissing for the same period of time and never ended up together. So disappointing. I still like Skam but I really hope one or more of the remakes give us a gay Vilde or a bisexual Noora or some wlw rep that isn't queerbaiting. Druck has confirmed the Noora character to be bi but it doesn't seem like there will be a second season, so we won't get to see more than her kissing the Eva character to get rid of a boy and that's not enough.
@@boutzee REALLY!? when is it coming out? aaah good news at last. i haven't watched any other remake than the german and italian one at this point, i really need to get to it.
@@boutzee i have high expectations for the dutch remake, which worries me a little :D but for now, i'll finish skam italia season 2 and with druck season 2 already coming out in december, i probably won't start a new remake in between. i'll watch the dutch version when druck is over though.
She is coded bisexual. Any bisexual could relate to that. I didn't even understood bisexuality until I was in my 20s... And I've been bi my entire life
I don’t think their criticism is of the character’s expression. It’s of the marketing team hyping her up as an LGBT character and patting themselves on the back for their “efforts” when the most they did was show uncertainty that could possibly be interpreted as being closeted. (There’s nothing wrong with representing closeted people, but it becomes queerbating when there is no solid evidence that the person was lgbt in the first place. And no, I don’t believe directors/producers saying “they’re lgbt just trust us” should count. Show us in the medium itself)
I took the, "This is why I never married. This and one other reason" as Gobber not liking kids, like he didn't want kids and that's what most people want when they're married and settled.
Honestly i’m STARVING for a film/tv serie where there is ZERO romance. Like, this where everyone is straight, everyone is gay, everyone is bi, everyone is ace. You know nothing at all and it’s not important. SO GREAT
Wow I would watch that in a heartbeat. I hate how writers rely on romance so much to make up for their crappy writing (looking at you every teen drama ever.)
Watch Legend of the guardians the owls of ga'hoole. It's a great story, beautiful movie and no romance whatsoever without being an explicit childrens movie.
I wouldn't say that is the only gay scene in Beauty and the Beast at all. Throughout the movie, I thought it was made really clear through the camera work and the acting that Lefou was queer. Even though the final scene everyone was talking about, and the one you reacted to, was pretty short and not very explicit, it was designed that was so that it could be released in countries where homosexuality is not socially acceptable and/or criminalised. Because of how the film, in my opinion, builds up to that moment, I don't think it is as unnoticeable as you guys said. Also, I feel like it can't be considered queer-baiting in the same sense as the other films/shows you reacted to, especially since the film-maker himself tried to keep the hype down. In the actual interview of which snippets went viral, the film-maker, a gay man, explicitly stated that the exclusively gay moment was not going to be a huge ground-breaking scene and was just meant as a first step for LGBT+ representation in Disney. He literally said it'd be about 5 seconds. Though media coverage, with some isolated quotes from the article, gave the movie publicity, Disney itself didn't seem to be trying to use it to draw queer audiences in.
Esmeralda GamgeeTook thank you, I was going to comment the same thing. I honestly didn’t even read/hear about Beauty and the Beast having an openly gay character beforehand but I still saw him as that from the beginning on! So I think it’s a bit harsh to say that that was queerbaiting. The only thing one could argue about is that LeFou quite a stereotypically gay person (e.g. his behaviour is quite feminine). But it’s still Disney we’re talking about, so I’d say it’s a step in the right direction.
I do want to say though, LeFou is bad representation. He's portrayed as creepy and clingy in his pursuit of Gaston, which just feeds into the "predatory gay" trope. If anything, LeFou's character did more harm than good.
@Esmeralda GamgeeTook I completely agree, they did build it up to where you would be able to pick it up at the dancing scene if not before then. I picked it up when Gaston and Lefou were dancing in the bar.
yesss I don't know why they didn't they have an LGBT character in that show andi mack or something? ALSO Rowan(Riley) came out as queer so its not like the show would be forcing her to be something she's not
It's Disney. It's homophobic, biphobic... They just hate anything that isn't related to heterosexuality, cis people and traditional gender roles. That's it.
Httyd is one of my favourite franchises, I’ve watch it over and over and I never ever picked up on that scene until watching this, and I’m gay. I can’t believe it...
You guys didn't see TNT's promo for one of the early seasons of Rizzoli and Isles, where they both go speed dating and pretty much end the night at the same table... so much baiting.
hm reminds me of all the hype around shiro's fiance in voltron, who we were apparently going to meet in season 7, he had about 5 lines and one was him screaming as he died, it was impossible to tell that they were in a relationship if you hadn't heard the press or read the tweet...so that's fun.
I'm surprise you didn't have supernatural also, with scenes like "Cas the last time someone looked at me like that, I got laid." "He was your boyfriend first." and my favorite "Cas I need you(which was supposed to be I love you)."
It's even as recent as season 14, when Kip says to Cas 'i thought you were joined at the everything' while looking down at his crotch area. Someone brought up something interesting the other day, that back in the season 10, when Dean was a demon, it was kind of implied that he and Crowley had a fivesome with some triplets, so was that a confirmation that he is bi? Or are we just looking into things too much lmao
Yup and we're the ones who "look too much into it". Cas and dean clearly have a far better relationship than Cas and Sam. Like the fact when Cas died (most recent death) and dean literally got depressed and even prayed to God to bring Cas back cause he didn't know any other way for him to come back and who was it that Cas called the second he came back to life and the first person he made eye contact with even though both Sam and Dean came for him? Fucking Dean like always.
that how to train your dragon one, when he said "that and one other reason" i genuinely thought he meant he had a hook for a hand so women werent attracted to him, i did not think "gay" at all, and im a gay guy. Thats how nuanced this idiotic stuff is
I was excited to see a gay character in Beauty and the Beast when I went to see it in theatres. I never knew who the character was until someone told me the gay scene was him singing "which team they're on" in the Gaston song. It wasn't until seeing this video, years later, that I noticed the two men dancing together. And usually I look out for this kind of stuff. How can anyone call this representation?!
About the thing with the music: In Legend of Korra they reinforced the relationship of Korrasami by choosing the same romantic melody that represented Aang and Katara. So when a kids show is aware of their use of music to suggest a romantic couple you cannot tell me, that these other shows aren't aware of what they're doing as well
They coded the fuck out of the friendship, but the heartbreaking thing is the little girl who's devastated from losing her other *mom* and immediately accepts her back, only for the movie to reveal nah, no gay here! Marvel is pretty great at representation, which makes the straightwashing in the MCU that much worse.
@@LillyAlara The worst part about MCU queerbaiting is all of the hype and media coverage they get for having LGBTQ+ characters without showing any in the text itself or doing the bare minimum. The example that makes me most upset was when Endgame was said to have a gay couple and it was a split second where a man mentioned his husband and nothing else was given. It's so disappointing to watch when they could be so representative :/
@@paytonlavallee5384 Yeah, the MCU is no front-to-back cover of two men getting married (which to be fair, that issue deserves its criticism) but Disney has taken the best parts of Marvel's inclusion and swept it all under the rug on-screen based on this assumption of 'well they don't actually watch our movies anyways, so throw them a PR bone'. They love the media hype but are cowards in the editing room.
To me Lefou is just as clearly gay in the new beauty and the beast as oaken is in frozen (the guy with the shop/sauna) only because it's pointed out beforehand you can see it😓 (it feels a bit like an easter egg)
Star Gourd yes, when they show his family in the sauna it's a guy with children (but it's like 3 seconds and people could argue that it's his brother or something along those lines)
I love riverdale- I literally have Cheryl Blossom tattooed on me. But their level of queer baiting is genuinely insane. In the newest promo, we see Joaquin and Archie kiss and there's just no way that they're ever going to actually be together. They're not going to make any of the core four anything but straight, because that would mean that they had to give screen time to the lgbt characters of the show. Toni had screen time when she was with Jughead, Cheryl had screen time when she was with Archie, she had screen time when she was hinted to be with her own goddamn brother, but when she's with a woman there's just... nothing. Their road trip- which probably contained most of the important milestones in their relationship- is something we'll probably never get to see. Kevin basically isn't even a real character at this point. In the first ep of s3 he was basically just someone to run around and tell everyone what was happening, he didn't get a plot of his own at all. He was just used as the lazy way out. Also they made Fangs gay and then.... forgot. Midge literally calls him gay- not 'into guys', or 'bi', or 'lgbt'- gay. And then a few episodes later they're apparently having sex?
RIGHT. its almost as if Cherryl loving Her brother a tad too much was okay but god forbid we see Her with a girl! At the same time, we cant blame the writers, but the network. Maybe Netflix has certain quotas and they need to accept certains things in order to create.
To my understanding, Fangs is bi, that is what I've seen fans say. I guess Midge was trying to say he was queer but she should have said it differently.
ikr and the Archie and Joaquin kiss pissed me off so much cuz they put it in all the trailers and everything and it was so obviously queer bait and they literally kissed for absolutely no fucking reason at all just to make more ppl watch it like wtf
Lena is not yet evil, and i don't think she is going to be, but those two have the most chemistry of any couple in the show including the straight relationships they have both been in
supercorp is incredibly frustrating like it’s so obvious that lena and kara are in love that by not making it cannon you’re alienating over half of your viewers. kara has spent like 3 years being single and flirting with her BesT fRiEnd lena luthor and you’re trying to tell me they’re not in love. at first supercorp was scoffed at but now the cast are being asked about it in mainstream interviews. supercorp itself is so popular right now that supergirl would have a massive increase in viewership if they do make it cannon. but there’s really no heterosexual explanation for the way kara gets all flustered around lena and the way they look at each other. can they just be happy please smh
"It's never a twist when somebody's straight. Why should it be a twist when somebody's gay?" YES.
If a man has a feminine demeanor and we learn they are straight that is a twist in my eyes, because most would assume he was gay
When I write my books, the fact that most of my characters rn't straight won't be a super major plot point. I mean, there will be reactions, there will be discovering themselves, but it won't be the main plot of the story, nor a twist. I have much better twists than that to use.
CL Williams now I want to read your book! What is it about? :)
Well, I would say it being a twist makes sense in some scenarios, specifically in Andi Mack when it is revealed that Cyrus has a thing for Jonah. It makes sense for it to be a twist because it takes place in a middle school -- the time when everyone is figuring all that out. It's a twist to us because it's a twist to them. I don't think that it should always be a twist, but sometimes it makes sense for it to be a twist.
Ok but like is it weird that I love when one of the hot male characters that all the females have a crush on is like “ oh yeah, sorry I like dudes” I love that because it feels like the butt of the joke is now the straight people. It’s great. Let the straights become the butt.
There is also NO reason for Betty and Veronica to kiss for the audition to be more impressive. Like, you're there to audition for cheerleading spots, not for a porno or anything else like that. Dancing does not require making out.
it wasn't about the kiss, it was bout taking the power away from Cheryl - even if just for a moment she wasn't composed.
shingshongshamalama yeah
Yeah, but why making out? They could’ve made a new routine, and done that. Idk I’m not really creative.
@@pjnk8660 i think it was an attempt to showcase what Veronica will do for power idk honestly the show isn't that great maybe i'm just looking into it too much
Yeah it didn't make sense but at least they've done pretty well with Cheryl's relationship with Toni in the other seasons
You know what's so frustrating, that little 2 second gay dance scene in Beauty and the Beast actually got my mom mad. At the time I wasnt out so she had no filter per usual, she went on a rant the entire ride home about how they shouldn't put gays in movies, especially kids movies because it would normalize it. Both of us arguing over this little 2 second representation. Ridiculous.
Sounds like my mum :)
And that is exactly why it should be shown more often.
It is normal.
At least one in ten people (statistically, tough I think the number should be higher) is lgbt+
In shows and movies we are happy with one character in fifty!
Your mom's a bigot as was mine. When push comes to shove most people are. Prepare yourself.
Your moms close minded is why. Lgbt community is only gonna get bigger in the future than how it is now. It’s normal, you’ll never go out in the world and only see just straight people. They try to normalize it or some companies do, through kids shows but it’s always thrown to the side
Same when the movie came out I was excited to see it and was just having a casual conversation with my mom and my uncle and he goes no you don’t need to be watching that and they proceed to go on their whole gay is sin monologue
Rizzoli and Isles was so frustratingly queerbaity that my 60 year old, church leader, catholic mother was enraged by the fact that they never got together. Like she doesn't even understand completely what gay culture or lesbianism is but she sure did ship those two ladies.
bethbisme 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
bethbisme rizzoli and isles made me so maddddd 😤
The audience wants what the character wants.
A set up with no resolution, is bad writing.
It's not queerbaiting. They likes the same guy in the first episode and it's clearly a sisterly bond. Can two people of the same gender not show any platonic love for each other without it being queerbaiting? My best friend and I are exactly like them in our attitude and chemistry together and we've a strong sisterly bond.
Riverdale annoys me so much because Jughead was asexual. But then in the show, he’s not. And aces have basically no good stated representation apart from maybe two characters.
Wait, who are they? The only ones I can think that could potentially be ace are unconfirmed, as both would also fit as gay
@Jack Black I believe in Archie, the comic book that riverdale was based off, it was pretty much stated he wasn't interested in dating anyone. I've not read it but I heard something like that
@@Minceraft69 Raphael in Shadowhunters is a confirmed asexual but he kind of has a toxic relationship with a girl (nothing to do with him being ace but I don't know if it invalidates him from behing a good representation)
I've even heard Cole Sprouse talk about this on podcasts, and I feel like he's the type of person that wouldn't have batted an eyelash at playing an asexual character (from what I've seen of him on social media)... But they still felt the need to change his character. 🤦♀️Saying this as an actual asexual person (not a unicorn), so I feel the frustration. What frustrates me the most about Aces and representation... is not Aces and how they're represented, but just the fact that, apparently, all stories have to have romance in them. Like, a main character isn't a "main character" without romance. I loved Avatar: The Last Airbender in almost every way, except for the forced romance between Aang and Katara. Aang was 12/13!!! He didn't need to find his "forever love" and have his whole life figured out at the end of the show.
@@AnastasiaIvanova03 Betty and Cole was a weird couple to begin with and their personalities clash in all the wrong ways. Also you got a point about Avatar!
"I don't like labels" - every bi character in everything ever
the way bi people are portrayed in every form of media, it's no wonder straight people say we "don't exist." finding good bi representation is actually as hard as finding a real unicorn lmao
@@winterwolf211 Ikr
@@skrittle555 I'm bi and I agree that it's hard to find some good representation for us. But I think I've found a great portrayal, at least from my perspective, in the tv show Shadowhunters. It's one of the first series that has made me feel like my sexuality has been properly represented.
@@winterwolf211 I like CMBYN but to be fair neither of them ever actually say they're bi.
LadyPennyroyal I think the good place is doing a good job at portraying Eleanor’s bisexuality
Man I love it when my incredibly platonic friend sends me dozens of incredibly platonic flowers in the name of our very straight and very platonic friendship, best thing ever
JUST GALS BEING PALS
In the next episode we'll see them giving each other friendship rings in front of a judge declaring them best friends forever
Hahahaha
I already posted this above, but I wanted to repost because it references my feelings on the scene you're mentioning and whether or not it counts as queerbaiting, and bare with me, I do have reasons why I think it might not be. Sorry for how long it is...But give it a try.
Regarding Supercorp, I have thoughts that come from a story/ character development point, that make my feelings on this muddled. Because I totally see the ship and the moments that feed into a dynamic that is more than platonic, but the story they were telling that season also gives legitimate reason for some of the behaviors seen; and if the writers had reasons for the choices they made outside of hinting at a relationship that would never happen, I don't know if that can be called queerbaiting. To me queerbaiting is putting in dialogue and scenes that hint at a romantic pairing that will never happen, specifically to draw a LGBT audience and I don't know that Supergirl did that for 3 reasons.
1. The season arc ends with Lena accidentally helping the villain of the season build a device that will bring an alien invasion to earth. She doesn't ask any questions about this potentially dangerous device and throws herself into its construction because Rhea forms a bond with her, showing her positive emotional support that Lena had never really had before from an adult female role model. This entire sequence is predicated on the idea that Lena is emotionally starved for positive interactions with others, and shows that when she gets those positive relationships, she throws her self into them, sometimes inappropriately. So while giving a room full of flowers to someone who said nice things about you in an interview is really over the top and romantic, the show writers were at the time trying to establish the character traits I just mentioned above as well. Therefore, the act (and others like it) could also have just been the insecure overreaction of someone who had been desperate for that validation of their choices, and been key moments of Lena's development that would help establish her as a character who would make the choices she makes later in the season.
2. People also point out how close they got so quickly, and they really did lets be honest, but things were happening behind camera that could have impacted the story choices made this season as well. The show had at the start of season 2 changed networks and filming location. In doing so they lost 3-4 members of their season 1 cast. Including mentor Cat Grant and friend/ colleague Lucy Lane. This season had to introduce new characters who filled those roles, further develop existing characters, alter aspects of season one which had not worked, and tell the seasons story, each of which needed screen time. But they also needed the dynamic that Cat and Lucy filled, the strong independent friend who Kara could talk to, but who didn't know her secret, quickly. Lena was that character, and they rushed the meeting and friendship forming to get to the storytelling point they wanted to be at and clear up screen time for other plot points they wanted to fit in, which made it seem like they had a whirlwind relationship that seemed more than friends, but I don't know that it was purposefully intended that way.
3. The third main point I see is the fact that the characters in general do have a lot in common. They were both adopted at older ages, they both are defined in the media by older male family members, they both are powerful women who have been met with criticism, they both are trying to establish them selves personally and professionally, and they are both single. All of this does form a strong foundation for a relationship and they show does play into that. The thing is that can also be true for a friendship. We are also friends with people who we share commonalities with and having those things in common alone isn't enough to say the writers were trying to hint at a romantic relationship. This point only stands its ground when added to others. When you say "Lena and Kara got close so quickly, and Lena kept doing these big romantic gestures for Kara, and they have so much in common" it all adds up to an audience being baited by writers. But if they were close because of production needs, and the gestures where necessary points of Lena's character, then the only purposeful writing choice that you have that hints at the writers trying to bait the audience for ratings sake is the fact that they have things in common... and I just don't know that that's enough.
Hm... Yeah. You have never send flowers to you friends?
I'll have you know that my best friend did it! She send flowers to her other best friend and it was so special that we created a whole cerimony for them to exchange their golden friendship rings next saturday! Idk why they want us to dress fancy but I hear we get to be drunk for an entire night.
Ya know... Just those little bff things.
WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST MAKE STILES BISEXUAL. WHY IS IT A THING THAT HAS TO STAY AMBIGUOUS.
Till this day, I'm still bothered that they didn't just made him bisexual
They had so many opportunities, so many hints. Just a little throwaway line that confirmed it would've been fine. Not even "i'm bi", just something unambiguous and impossible to deny that confirms he's bi. Hell, Dylan wanted Stiles to be bi, which is probably why it's reflected so much in his acting.
I mean I'm pretty sure he never said he was straight 😭 didn't it come out that stiles was going to kiss Derek but they didn't
@@gimmesumghosty5404 never said he was bi either lmao
@@chloel4835 exactly, we don’t know.
Going straight for the kill by starting off with teen wolf.
and missing the mark? while riverdale is indeed a perfect example of queerbaiting at its worst, teenwolf is not.
@@ransherman1611 Except for the promo material. Because at least in Teen Wolf they aren't afraid to have gay characters, just sadly not the main characters. But in season 6 Ethan and Jackson kissing after beating up some bad guys was badass.
Jack Black 5:25 plus the kiss was in a lot of promotional material.
@@frauleinzuckerguss1906 What do you mean? Riverdale has gay characters as well lol. Cheryl is arguably a main character, and she's confirmed to be a lesbian that's got a bisexual girlfriend that's more interested in women.
@@ransherman1611 It's not the worst example, but Stiles was baited as being into guys from the very first episode, and when fans latched onto that they pushed it further and then randomly dropped it when the expectation they make it canon started to get too high. Which, better than Sherlock and Supernatural to be fair, they just kept doing it and then laughing at their audience WITHIN THE SHOW for thinking they were serious. But still. Stiles being bi was definitely queerbaited, and having a few side characters hanging around doesn't change that.
I love Caitlin and Jackson, and they were definitely handled better than most, but to give us that representation with side characters (and only side characters) while baiting a main character doesn't make everything okay.
i actually wouldn't mind the 'star trek' and 'beauty & beast' clips as just little easter eggs, but like you said, the problem is doing a big rollout patting themselves on the back for the "representation".. if they'd said nothing and just let audiences catch it on their own then it might have actually been kind of fun, but making a big announcement manages to somehow capture the worst of both worlds: conservative parents stay away while lgbtq+ audiences just feel frustrated/annoyed..
I agree, I think the star trek one in particular might have been cute as an easter egg but like, its 0% hype worthy
Agreed 100000000000000%
I know i'm very late to the party, but I feel like I have to defend the Star Trek one - it's very subtle because it's not really about adding queer romance to the story, it's added as a tribute to the original actor, George Takei, who is gay. That's why it was 'hyped,' not because a gay character was added, and I think that's cute! 🤗
Wow I'm actually so angry that people can sit down and think they should add scenes like this to their shows/movies and think they have done the LGBT+ community a favor. What a load of crap!
These shows should learn from True Blood. The series had queerbaiting, but was so organic to the series, it really made you understand its existence, of course if you take vampire blood you will have erotic dreams with the vampire ... Of course it does not matter if you are straight.
You forgot how they changed Jughead to a heterosexual from an asexual.
As a Pan-qplatonic attraction feeling AroAce that made me so mad. It even made my super straight friends mad.
let's be honest here, Riverdale ist just a mess at this point :/
well kinda, he was only ace in one or two comics and Archie comics have been around for forever so... but yeah they could have at least made him ace but not aro, or made him demi, something like that.
@@Bear9800 If I remember correctly he was never interested in any kind of romantic (or sexual) relationship in the comics
Haha yeah I swear his most said phrase in the comics was "I hate women". He never showed any interest in anyone which is why I was so upset when they immediately threw him with Betty in Riverdale
Character: doesn’t have a romantic relationship
Director: there we go! Lgbt representation
Laura Evans well not gonna lie , it technically is LGBTQ+ , since it’s asexual
Politisch Interessiert more like aromantic representation
(Remember, asexuals or those on the asexual spectrum ((like me)) can still have romantic relationships, even queer romantic relationships ((like me, an asexual/demisexual panromantic person)). We just don’t feel sexual attraction!)
Unless they're explicitly ace or aro, yeah that definitely doesn't count.
U can say jk.rowling
Because neither are queerbaiting. Can two people not show strong bonds and platonic love without it being queerbaiting? House was going around sleeping with countless women in the show and Wilson had many wives. Clearly not gay and Rozzoli and Isles liked the same guy in ep 1. My best friend and I have very similar relationship to those shows. A sisterly bond.
Why would a kiss be apart of the cheerleading routine?
That's what I was thinking. Of all the things mentioned here, that cheer leading kiss felt the most "WTF."
i only know this clip and i never seen the show so I was super pissed because it makes me feel even more like an object to be gawked at by straight men who find two girls kissing "SO HOT" you know, those guys who ask to watch you when you tell them that you're not straight. It feels like this scene caters to them only
I was talking to some straight friends (not particularly LGBT literate) about queerbating. They thought that I was advocating for shoehorning gays into every single bit of media from now on. They'd clearly never heard of queerbating. A half-hour long argument with me advocating for actually explicitly (not in the NSFW way) gay characters in media, and them thinking I'm militant for wanting queer representation in all shows, movies, and books.
In retrospect, I'm wonder why we can't make shoehorning gay relationships a thing? We do it for straight people all the time!
Side note: do you know how freaking tired I am of shoehorning straight relationships where they don't belong? The hunger games series would have been better without the straight romance. So would divergent, and the selection- actually, there was no saving the selection... *Thinks about the Trainwreck that is the selection series... Snaps out of it*
Anyway, but pretty much every teen adventure novel has an arbitrary straight relationship in it. Why can't everything else be like that? If nothing else, it would give us a little more variety, and we might get some accidentally great representation!
Yes! honestly gay or straight i can’t stand relationships not at all relevant for the plot, like hunger games/divergent.
I completely agree with you on everything, but I would argue that the romance subplot in the Hunger Games is relevant- it’s there to illustrate how the Capital focuses on stupid petty nonsense instead of the atrocities they commit, and Katniss actively gets annoyed at having to play it up for appearances sake when she doesn’t really care that much. Though that is much better illustrated in the books than the films.
I wish I could upvote this a thousand times. Straight relationships are thought to be a must for some reason, but people start protesting when LGBT people advocate for more representation.
I didn't mind the romance storyline in the Hunger Games. I did mind the stupid Love triangle thing they pulled with Gale. That was very forced and also reinforced the whole "male and female friendships will always actually be romance" trope.
rewatching the teen wolf stuff just makes me sad. like 14 year old me was lapping up anything i could get at the possibility of bi characters and to look back now to see how queer-baity it was is just... sad
Yes! Like when I watched the show all of those scenes made genuinely so happy. Watching them now just makes me sad to feel all that frustration again when there was never anything coming off it
i watched few episodes but it was so irritating and couldn't continue it
same :(
Even more so when you find out someone who worked on the show the producer or writer forgot which part he played, just know it was major is gay. He saw those scenes knew it was queerbaiting and never notice thought they should stop or just make the character gay. The last season had so much queerbaiting between 2 guys who "hate" yet you barely saw one without the other.
Aren't they doing a reboot of TW?
Another thing that’s really frustrating about the Supergirl scene is that they, in the very next episode, have a moment where a guy, that has never met kara before, fills her entire apartment with flowers as a romantic gesture. So they literally say that when it’s a girl doing it it’s platonic but when a guy does it it’s romantic.
openly invalidating gay romance in comparison to het romance 101
Eventyrpige exactly I don’t get it at all...
It is a lot of little things that build up into a lot of little things
Eventyrpige I’ve never seen it but I thought one of the characters in that scene did eventually come out
@@hydrasimmons1013 Nope, but we're still desperately waiting for it! The blonde one is Kara Danvers, who is secretly Supergirl, and her sister has a beautiful coming out arc, but Supercorp (the shipping name of the two in the clip), is still being implicitly and let's be real explicitly teased. Like, just look up Supercorp. You'll see. I will blindly still be waiting and hoping till the literal last episode.
The Pitch Perfect franchise had the worst queerbait. Beca (played by Anna Kendrick), goes to college, meets some guy she's OBVIOUSLY going to end up falling in love with by the end of the movie, yadda yadda. That is until you meet Chloe (played by Brittany Snow) that makes you question if those two will have a potentional relationship. Also, an honorable mention is the fact that they DID have a lesbian character, but only used her for punchlines throughout the entire movie. Once this first film was made, "Bechloe" became this huge thing and most Pitch Perfect fans saw the chemistry, too... (including me). So of course, the writers took advantage of that and wrote up some even more questionable scenes in the next film. While competing in their A Capella world, they meet a German group called "DSM", and they toy with that. Beca became flustered by the main girl on their rival team, and said "just because you're making me very sexually confused does not mean you're intimidating". Yeah. This goes on for the rest of the film, but of course not with two more queerbaity bechloe scene! During a trip to try and find themselves again, the group learns they will have to share a tent together (keep in mind, there's 10+ girls). Beca and Chloe are upside down from another; meaning that Chloe's eyes were to Beca's forehead, vice versa. Beca, being the grumpy character she's supposed to be, begins to complain about having to be crammed in with everyone - that resulted in Chloe asking her if she needed a back rub as she pushed a loose strand of hair out of Beca's face. But wait, it gets better! They have the NERVE to make Chloe tell Beca: "You know, one of my biggest regrets is that I didn't do enough experimenting in college," while staring Beca dead in the eyes. To make matters worse, one of the directors (Elizabeth Banks) even said that the scene was based off of the Spider-Man and Mary Jane kiss scene. Of course, though, nothing happens by the end of that film. The other scene, they actually acknowledged bechloe. Beca and Chloe got into a fight - I'll save some time and spare the details - and Fat Amy (Rebel Wilson) steps in, mentioning HER ship name for them. "Bloe". Needs some work, but I like her mindset. And now, we finish it off with the most queerbaited movie of the franchise: Pitch Perfect 3. Almost every single promotion for it was bechloe related. Brittany Snow posted a picture on Instagram of her dyed red hair, captioning it: "I hope Beca likes my hair", meanwhile Kendrick responded with something very similar. Then in the trailer, they made sure to add the clip of Chloe feeling up Beca (pushing up on her boobs) - out of all the scenes! And the worst one out of them all: they shot a video of Brittany and Anna walking towards each other, and then acting like they were about to kiss... but right before they actually did, they pull away and gave promotion for pre-ordered tickets. Throughout the entire movie, they were trying to push a new guy love interest onto Beca, but Anna Kendrick refused because she knew her fans wanted bechloe - and so did she. Chloe ended up with some guy, and they wrote in specifically that after they all performed on stage, Beca goes looking for Chloe and sees the two (Chloe and the dude) kissing, looking dejected. Rebel Wilson, Chrissie Fit and Shelley Regner all confirmed that Anna Kendrick and Brittany Snow actually filmed a kiss scene, and it was supposed to be when Chloe kisses the guy, but Universal cut it and didn't even put it on DVD, let alone allow anyone to release it. It was also rumored (not entirely sure) that Beca and Chloe were originally supposed to be the main couple - not sure if that was in the novel or not - but Universal was afraid they wouldn't get a big enough audience so they decided to write in some cheesy, cliché boyfriend for Beca. In conclusion, FUCK UNIVERSAL!
I was so mad because they only used the lesbian character as that "predatory" type. SO OFFENSIVE OMFL
@@MarieHP OHH MY GOD. THAT SOUNDS HORRIFYING.
can’t even be mad at anna kendrick and brittany snow because they really pushed for bechloe, even going so far as forcing the studio to let them film a kiss and then universal cut it out even after making them film the ‘swipe up’ queer bait advert presumably the same day like wtf
that kid: literally do not like Pitch Perfect, but fuck that actually pisses me off. Pretty sure I would have gave the movie a chance if I knew that. Damn, that’s upsetting.
The chemistry between the two of them (and the fanfiction of course) made me realize I was gay. Fuck Universal for NEVER making this canon!
"it's never a twist when somebody is straight why is it a twist when somebody is gay?" Ok. He got it in one. We can all go home now.
Calum throughout this whole video: "Thanks I hate it."
dumbledore and grindelwald relationship is also a queerbaiting... jkr she says it but never confirms on film or books
I've just accepted that JKR is trash by now (Queer baiting, adding in random minorities that she never actually wrote in, being transphobic)
Fantastic Beasts 2 was so frustrating imo... Like we all now what you are doing, all the subtext, just because she said it ONCE in an interview...
I hate her lol. Want a good author who represents LGBTQ? Rick Riordan @@drew-agay765
@@beaversfan8116 I was going to mention Nico but then forgot XD I like that not only does he avoid percy because he blames him for the whole sister thing, but because he feels guilty liking him. It fits in well with his character. I've also heard there's a gender fluid person in the norse series, but I'm bad at committing to the book.
Maybe you should watch "crimes of grindelwald" because it's really obvious that dumbledore had intimate feelings with grindlewald in the movie.
i just love how rowan's face depicts cold rage because she already knows this all too well.
same here, love
Yep. Yep yep yep.
Haha yeees her expression is killing me
well the thing with Star Trek is that there was a kiss between Hikaru and Ben and the cutted it out of the movie. And the actor was super angry about it because "we didn't made out. We only gave eachother a decent "Happy to see you again" kiss" And that is so sad! That the actors and writers put so much effort into the relationship to honor George Takei. And they filmed that scene in Dubai and no actor there wanted to play a gay charcter so the director jumped in and played the husband of Hikaru. And then the studio used it the whole time as advertisment for the movie... just to cut in the end! And that is 100% queerbaiting, even it is actual queer representation
@TheKarlOshaughnessy well i don't think disgusted is the right word. But he thinks they should not have made Hikaru gay, because he was never written as gay. But of course he is totally here for gay representation
@@sporesims9303 And Vulcan was never written has destroyed. And Khan wasn't written as a white guy. And Spock and Uhura were never written as in love. Do you see where I'm going with this?
@@accc9090 no actually not. Do you want to say the new timeline changed the original story and that is okay, because AU?
@@sporesims9303 I hate the new storyline but it is what is. That's my point. You saying "Oh, gay representation" when everything else that was understood as true in the original storyline was changed, seems...silly. "Never written has gay" is meaningless considering all the wholesale and huge changes to every other character in the new re-boot storyline. I mean, Scotty and his little friend/helper? That's a completely new character that NEVER existed in the former storyline.
and that exacly why they cut off the kiss, because people already scream like crazy only with that and they are not happy. why just why just let go its fine. They try to do the step to make things change slowly
as a gay 14yr old me seeing the two guys with the daughter made me feel so happy but also wanna cry. I just wanna see men being happy and growing old together and know that I can do that. it hurts so much that all im seeing is negativity and stereotypes
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BBC Sherlock is the one that still pisses me off. Apart from the disvussed point, that if either one of them was a different gender, it basically would have been Bones... apart from the fact that it was so queer coded that folks Outside with Super Heteronormative Gazes were still asking if they were in love or whatever...
... BBC adverts explicitly traded on it! In particular, i remember one on twitter for season 4, and the on-screen text was "Sherlock is in love! But with Who????". When there was literally only a single recurring female character it could possibly be, and literally that character was the only female in that trailer... but there must needs be at least two options???? It's only Molly and John in that trailer with him. "But with whom????"
That is Literal bait.
That was not the only thing that BBC Sherlock did wrong but it surely was one of their biggest mistakes. I love the show but they should have known better.
Ugh I loved Sherlock so much but the QUEERBAITING was PAINFUL
I'm still hoping for a fifth season in which they'll be together.. And yet I know it's probably useless XD
I'm surprised Sherlock and Supernatural aren't featured here
old hats :D
Maybe I still I have hopes that they will get together
@@boneappletea5890 same but I doubt it
they are the poster children of queerbait, using these other clips help supports how unnecessarily ubiquitous it is
They deserve their own multi-part videos.
The first one had me triggered. Causse i literally remember how the played the bisexuality card with Styles for like 6 seasons and gave us nothing. Im so pissed all over again.
They were actually going to in season 6, where when stiles was taken by the hunt, because he was originally going to be there with Derek but Tyler was filming Supergirl at the time so he couldnt be there and they had to change the script
@@dylangrayson2229 How convenient for them!
@@Skirne Yeah I might be more inclined to believe that if they hadn't ship teased for so long. Because let me be clear, I do not believe the Sterek baiting is for the Gays (tm) it's for the fangirls that ship them.
Idigam Studios true but i shipped them when i was like 10 or some shit! even me a 10 year old picked up on the tension between them, and it’s honestly sad
stiles always makes me SO MAD! they had the opportunity to make an amazing bi character
I just read fanfiction, it helps my frustration over the show.
Omg yeah, hell him dancing with another dude would've been enough; like the did for Brett, if Dylan wasn't comfortable playing the part
Titan of light That might of been it, he was uncomfortable with doing a sex scene that’s why the Stalia sex scene wasn’t really much of a scene. He’s very firm in what kind of things he’s willing to portray on screen.
@@nique7501 yeah i guess he never really felt comfortable with that, i think he never did a shirtless scene either. Im ok with that cause its his right i'm unhappy with jeff, because after season one i'm sure he must've discussed it with dylan and tyler and yet he kept allowing things like this being written. And my bigger problem is that he projected this on Mason and Brett but it wasn't payed off cause he paired him with Cory even though it was established before that Brett was his crush. Also lets be real sterek became a transcendent thing, to the point that even after the show ended its a ship that can still go toe to toe with super natural, so there came a point where fans new it wasn't happening so there was no need to put stuff to make stiles seem sexually ambiguous like all the charged moments with Theo that was just weird
Titan of light I think Brett was just a crush on a hot guy type of thing, I think a lot of it after Season 1 was partly fan service, they knew how big Sterek was as a ship so they fed into that. I never got Steo vibes though maybe I just wasn’t paying that close attention but I genuinely felt like the relationship between was purely Stiles hates the very ground he walks on. They kind of did something similar with Stiles’ real name, never actually telling us until the last season except in this case they don’t ever tell us.
The Norse had no known laws against homosexuality before Christianity became common place. As long as he wasn't "passive" the dude may have been able to have relationships with guys with out a hassle, as long as they were clearly equals. At least he would if he wasn't a cartoon.
the thing is, there is very little record about the vikings as they didn't bother documenting their stuff and those who did got raided by them, i agree that its possible but sadly we cannot know for sure.
on the subject of gobber it is important to note he is in love with stoic even though he knew nothing will happen between them and even though he was happy for stoic and valka. i find it unlikely he would hook up with someone else regardless if it was legal for him to marry with another man.
The crusades really did a number on lgbt rights
"Bloody straight people"
"LOOK!!! THE GAYS ARE COMING!!!"
"Guybeer, Gaybriel whatever the fork his name is"
This entire video is so hilariously quotable
The amount of parallels between Kara/Lena in Supergirl vs Clark/Lois in many Superman stories is unbelievable too and a lot of their story goes back to that "if one of them was a man" thing and it just pisses me off lmao
For real. I was hoping they could at least do something like "Lena is in love with Kara but Kara is straight and can't love her the same way" if they really didn't want to have them together... but flat out ignoring that there's even a situation going on is just insulting
Yeah it’s bad enough when you think about what they did in the show, but it just makes me more pissed off that most of the cast made fun of the fans shipping supercorp in that Con video.
At least hey have gay representation with alex.
@@fragmentsofanusha that's probably another reason why kara isn't gay because its "apparently" unheard of that two people in one family would be gay...that and shes a huge super hero and they probably don't feel like dealing with backlash so they don't wanna risk it
@@laurenm8783 This is why I watch Legends of Tomorrow instead lol
The Betty/Veronica kiss should have been backed up by dramatic, ominous music, because it was supposed to show how manipulative Ronnie could be
TheKarlOshaughnessy also very true!
Prinses op de Pingpongbal whh
@@GLAASJEMELC True and i guess this also shows how they re possibly not taking Cheryl's sexuality serious? Idk if they had the idea of her being queer at s1 but it could have had a lot of potential to add to her self-exploration and character development. but tbh i stopped halfway through s2 so idk how the show is moving right now
I remember hearing that How to train your dragon was going to have a gay character so I was waiting for something to happen while watching the movie and then didn't notice anything. I only just realized that it was that four second scene because you explained it. That's sad.
The comment he made that proved his gayness completely went over my head when I watched the film that's not representation
@FearlessAstridHofferson Tuffnutt has a few lines that makes him seem likes he's down for it, if he finds it beautiful.
Honestly the way it's worded it seems more to me like he's asexual?
I think there's an official comic where Hiccup got sick/drunk to a point of hallucination and kissed Tuffnut. I could be wrong though. It's only implied, but so heavily to a point that the others outright joke about it
the difference is that there was no official marketing around it. It was just people noticing it. It's not queerbaiting it's just an information we learn about the character. It's people who saw the premiere who talked about it
"It's never a twist when someone is straight" made me relive how shook I was when Tina started dating that man in the L word
"This is why I never married. This... and one other reason."
Yeah, because gay marriage apparently isn't a thing. Smh
Yeah especially before Christianity and when it wasn't considered to be a "sin." There was literally nothing stopping him from having a husband and living a happy life
Jessica Braud Thé thing is that before homosexuality was a sin, you still needed to marry straight to carry on the bloodline, you could have whatever side piece you want tho
@@jessicabraud3307 why are u acting like christianity is the only reason gay people are oppressed. Like islamic countries are still throwing gays off buildings??? its religion in general.
@@neamhdhlisteanach6720 And Islam is a Abrahamic religion which falls under the same religious umbrella as Christianity and Judaism.
not much record left on vikings, since they didn't bother wirting it and those who did got raided by them. so i don't know if same sex marriage was a thing for them or not. regardless i do not agree that it was queerbaiting because when would it come up? and romance seem unlikely for him as he was clearly in love with stoic even if he knew it would never happen.
would people feel better if gobber announce "oh by the way, I'm gay" to the world for no reason?
lets not forget what they did to Jughead for Riverdale as well.
@@SnarkyPhilo yeah I'm ace too and even b4 it was confirmed I'd always known he was like me( this was b4 im knew there was word 4 my orientation) he was/is my fav Archie character. And riverdale took that from us, one of the few asexual characters they straightwashed him. It's makes me sick.
@@PeachyBeinsyeah, same. I had no idea what the term for what I was until I hit my mid-twneties. I used to use Jughead and Data from Star Trek when someone asked me about why I was never interested in dating, romance and sex (I'm the Aro Ace variety). It was especially annoying as the actor even said he was willing, and supported, playing Jug as an Ace character. So we know several someones at CW/CBS were hetronormative/homonormative dicks over the situation.
I can relate to that. When I was younger and long before i realized the termonology of what I was, my guardians noticed that I never really brought home anyone or expressed any sort of romantic or sexual interest in others. They first told me that If I was gay they would be perfectly fine with it, but I explained I was not sexually or romantically attracted to people (using Data and Jughead to help explain) and at the time I called my self Negative Bi for lack of better knowledge. When I did get the knowledge and explained it to them again, they still held the notion that I must have been bad touched as a kid or something while in the foster home. To this day, it was easier for them to accept my being trans before being asexual. @FearlessAstridHofferson
See, I'm Ace as well, and I like Betty and Jughead as a couple. (they've always been my favourite characters in the Archie comics - individually, not as a couple) Their relationship in the show is really sweet and they could've made Jughead ace AND paired them up if they have a scene where perhaps Betty wants to take it further but then they have a conversation where he admits into her but not sexually, comes out as ace and yet they still make their relationship work. It can show that you can be Ace and still be in a healthy relationship, that love isn't just about sex, and could break some of the stigma surrounding asexuality. Besides, Archie and Veronica have enough sex to please the network anyway.
I always read Jug with an Aro vibe with his Ace, but I can totally see what you mean as well. They could have had an Ace character in a romance on the show if they were so gung ho on the whole ship. @@happychaosofthenorth
I’m a Supercorp shipper (Kara and Lena in Supergirl) and I am in AGONY every episode because they have SUCH good chemistry together and it’s so obvious they love each other.
Exactlyyyyy, and more so recently, and it’s not even just Kara Lena has chemistry with its literally everyone but the man they put her with 😂
Clearly they put her with him just to ensure that she had a love interest that was a man so they wouldn’t make the show “too gay” with already having pairings like Alex and Maggie, and now Alex and Kelly.
i am glad they at least have alex and now nia. but there also was some chemistry between kara and kate in the crossover episodes that really frustrated me.
just someone Oh my gods I’m so glad someone else mentioned that! The chemistry between Kara and Kate was off the charts you could see it even in the short scenes they were in together, so now they’ve totally made me into a Superbat shipper even though I know it’s already sunk before it could sail. But that’s what fanfics are for I guess
@@ella-maymccammon3200 tbf, Katie Saïd she plays all her roles gay and she has just casual awesome chemistry with women.
Merlin is the worst case of queerbaiting I ever seen in my entire life 5 season no kiss no i love you nothing literally nothing
Moon_Sun 19 I was so annoyed watching it still ship merther or gwain and merlin 😤😤😤
I heard somewhere that the writers wanted to make it happen but they weren't allowed
i think merlin is different case, because the writers clearly wanted merlin and arthur to be together (i mean, the dialogue very much suggested there was something there) but couldn't because it's based on the legend of arthur and so he must end up with gwen. shame really. i mean, sure i like qwen, she is awesome, but she and arthur just didn't have what he had with merlin.
@@ransherman1611 I don't think that would have been the reason they didn't go ahead with it, since they certainly made some other major-ish changes from the legends, I think it was more that BBC wouldn't let them, as it was a kid's show. which is of course stupid, but this was almost a decade ago (crazy!), but yeah it was very very very clear that there were eXTREMELY gay undertones (even overtones) to merlin and arthur's relationship.
@@entertain7us148 could indeed be the network, won't be the first time. shame when stupid cowardly executives stand in the way of creative freedom. it is also a shame when a show get accused of queerbaiting when in reality they gone through hell against the network in an attempt to portray same sex relationship only to be shut down by the network. the legend of korra is a good example of that.
but yeah, as i said, i love qwen, but arthur and merlin has something stronger and it could have been really special if it was followed through.
As a gay who watched rizzoli and isles from beginning to end, I can confirm ‘it’s just sad’ is the proper reaction. I was constantly pissed off but so hopeful that I just couldn’t stop watching. Now it’s over I kind of hate myself for all the time and love I poured into that show - the storylines were ludicrous at best, but the chemistry of the leads kept me coming back. On the plus side, it spawned a fantastic fan fiction community because we were all so fucking desperate lol.
I watched that show with my mom when I was younger. I, not paying all that much attention and missing random episodes, thought they were dating. Looking at it now, I'm so mad that they weren't. Uuughh
But it's not qweerbaiting...it was clearly a sisterly bond? Can two people of the same aex/gender not show any platonic love to each other without it being qweerbating? In the very first episode they liked the same guy 😂 my best friend and I have the same chemistry and attitude is them and we have a sisterly bond.
You reacted to queerbating amd you didn't include the biggest queerbating of all time: Supernatural
Hell yeah, I was thinking about it. The whole Destiel situation is so frustrating it hurts
@@i.m.7911 Destiel is a shipp between Cass and Dean. A lot of moments in the series suggest that their relationship is beyond friendship, but the crew denies it. It's super annoying that they only bait us. I suggest you to look here on yt some compilation videos with moments of destiel, then you can take your own conclusions =D
@@i.m.7911 or watch are they gay's video on destiel and see how much they implied it yet somehow it didnt become canon lol. shame cuz castiels actor really seemed upset about it and had spoken with the directors and stuff about making it canon or just stopping the baiting but never happened.
honey, you've got a big storm coming...
@@CocoRegardless LMAO
I think the "I don't like labels" thing is in there because it appeals so much to straight people who see themselfes as allies but never reflected that there is inequality. So it's so easy to say, oh, we're all the same and now let's enjoy the harmony of what we don't realize is a very specific straight world.
I kind of want to create narratives of straightbaiting...
Straightbaiting.. love it!
Wait... Rizzoli and Isles AREN'T lesbians?
My dad watches the show sometimes and from what I've seen I always assumed they were dating.
No...and that scene is nothing to do with lesbianism. Nor is it queerbaiting. It's a sisterly bond
@@moonwalker98787 I agree. Like even in the first episode it has them both interested in the same guy and establishes them like supportive sisters more than a couple. And at multiple points they declare the other as family.
@Jon Snow Also I love how you have this attitude that people have to declare their sexuality or gender situation before stating an opinion just to validated because if they're cis and straight they're not validated enough to be taken seriously???
@@moonwalker98787 what Jon Snow was saying was that if this was a scene between a man and a woman, you wouldn't say they were siblings or family. The scene felt too genuine to just be platonic and many people in this comments section feel like they were in a relationship. You are free to have your own opinion, but if you can say two characters are straight if the context changed, then this is why videos like this exist. It exposes why queerbaiting is so harmful and why people are so upset about this.
@@nabbitabbott6161 no Jon snow was being an asshole assuming my sexuality because I had a different opinion. Rozzoli and Isles have had straight scenes like this between platonic friends and between her and her mother. This scene is nothing new for the show. I've had interactions like this with my platonic friends too. It doesn't automatically means mean romance. Affection doesn't = Romance.
The thing is with these scenes is that they establish these "friendships" in such a way that their bond is so solid and close, that I can't see these people in relationships with other people because that is nowhere close to the "friendship". It just doesn't compare, so when they try to convince me that instead of being in love with their friend, they're in love with the straight romantic interest - it just doesn't work. There is loving somebody and being in love with somebody, and tv shows sometimes confuse the signs of these two or deliberately change the dynamic for their own gain. It pisses me off.
how come danny and stiles were close?
@@jeonghansupremacist4354 She never said it was that, and the thing with it is Stiles probable interest for guys that was left unexplored.
I was like 11-16 when I was watching Rizzoli and Isles with my parents, and I always really wanted them to end up together. As a young lesbian I was really struggling with my sexuality and understanding friendship versus romance, and the queerbaiting in that show did not help.
y’all looking at each other with the best “i can’t believe this shit” faces are the best thing ever
rowan that was so good i'm DECEASED. i'd never seen these clips and i'd heard about them but i had nO IDEA how bad it got this is incredible
Haha. I love Calums reaction. He just looks so confused
calum's faces in this video are an eternal mood haha
We must meme them! The many moods of Calum remind me of all of those animal pics people have with those random ass faces like the ones of cats that look startled and so they use them for the "lesbians eat what?!" or the "guilty dogs" or the cats twisted belly up and looking up mid-clean with thos supposedly 'seductive looking facial expressions' but it is usually them going 'oh human, why are you disturbing me during something so private and intimate?! i have to kill you now for this disruption!' but some humans using the expression for "oh i"m sorry! i didn't see you there! did you want to join (me)?!"
One instance of queerbating that frustrated me to no end is in voltron. They announced that one of the main characters was gay and that he used to have a fiancé. We knew that they weren't together anymore but that we would get a flashback. That flashback consisted of a fight with nothing showing that they were together at all (they could have just been friends) and then the only other scene with the fiancé, he dies.
P R E A C H
I was so excided for Adam at the time.
A D A M
I actually think the Adam Shiro relationship was really well done. It depicted an adult relationship ending because one chose career. I think it actually matched up really well with Shiro's story and character so far. I think it going any other way would have not aligned will with what's been the show's track record with Shiro. There have been a number of rushed relationships in Voltron they don't so too well with it because it is an action childrens cartoon. However I do think the marketing built it up too much. They should have just put in Adam and not made such a fuss. for something so small. If they were going to make a big hoopla it should have been given more time to be fleshed out.
Mmm yes. The relationship, was whatever and I may have been really upset when Adam died-but the biggest thing is that they hyped up Shiro being in a relationship with him, to get people to watch. If you look on Netflix, Adam is on the fucking like cover for it like he was some huge character. He literally had five minuets in the show.
Also in Beauty and the Beast there's one of the villagers that gets attacked by the Wardrobe you know when they get dressed as women and he really likes the way he's looking in drag so the Wardrobe looks at him with a grin and tells him go be free my child or something like that
Yes, that's Stanley, the guy LeFou dances with in the end. I really liked the movie, because of the fact that they gave LeFou so much more character and I definitely like Stanley too.
When i saw beauty and the beast in theaters, i LITERALLY BLINKED AND MISSED IT LMFAOOO
i mean i am a queer woman who is really deep in the whole fandom "we are analyzing every little piece and trope of a movie" thing and when i watched HTTYD i didn't get it. I was sitting there like: Nice, okay he never got married. Okay." And then over a year later i readed someone on tumblr saying: Yeah and the gay representation we got in HTTYD" and i was like: What representation?!" So i sit down and read a lot of newspaper articles and watched youtibe videos and then i had the exact same reaction: This?! THis was the representation?!"
I didn't even know there was supposed to be LGBT+ representation in HTTYD until this video????
@@idontknowdude3021 not really related, but i had to look up "enby" bc of your comment. wow i feel dumb for never making the connection to "N.B." lmao. guess i'm getting old. but i'm enby as well and i think i'll start using that!
@@skrittle555 I just found out you could write it like this recently too, and I love it. I think it's a cute word :3
I literally went on a rant about LeFou yesterday and now my friends and I have a joke where we say dancing with someone of the same gender automatically makes you gay because according to that film it's enough to promote the film as having an 'openly gay' character. It makes me so angry.
Oh shit, all this time I was pan and I just didn't know it lol
It's crazy too how much backlash it got for that short ass scene. People were like why would you change it. It was fine the way it was, and theres no real reason to change that. I don’t see how people were upset about the fact that there was a gay character when the scene took up like no scene time..in fact we should be upset
Man, all the guys that had to dance with other guys in my class cause we are fewer girls are totally gay.
That's exactly what I was thinking this whole time and no one seems to have mentioned it!? How does a man dancing with another suddenly make them gay? I haven't seen the film so I don't know much but if that is supposed to be any kind of representation that's bullshit!
@@la.uralox Throughout the whole movie they hint at the character being gay and attracted to Gaston. Even during the song where he's cheering Gaston up, he grabs the guys arms and wraps them around his shoulders. They play it off as a choke when he asks Gaston, "Too much?" Which then Gaston says it is.
The scene shows that one: he's gay and has some sort of attraction to Gaston. Two: Gaston knows he gay and doesn't care that much. Three: Him being attracted to Gaston feeds the douche bags ego. Around the end of the movie, he has a conversation with one of the objects that let him know Gaston isn't right for him and he can do better and around the end of the movie he's seen the background dancing with another guy. The Filmmaker nor Disney made a big deal of it, what had happened was blogs were talking about it constantly because of some homophobic country not playing it in theaters because of the dance scene.
*just because a bisexual character is being presented in a heterosexual relationship,, doesn’t mean they’re any less bisexual. Just putting that out there.*
Kels Saw preach sister
No one said it did
Victoria Trixie I’m talking about the idea that stiles stilinski was queerbait. He wasn’t. Just because he had a crush on Lydia doesn’t mean he was straight. It’s scenes like the one they watched that basically confirm he’s not. The idea that there needs to be confirmation or a coming out scene for a character to be “real representation” is very toxic to me. It pushes an agenda on other closeted kids that your sexuality needs to be a bigger thing than what it really is. To some people, it’s just a part of who they are, and it’s not something that needs to be said in such a formal way. To some people, it is something that needs to be said in such a formal way. Everyone is different, and stiles is just one of those people who doesn’t think it’s a big deal. After the end of the show, people just assumed he was straight because of his feelings for Lydia and that he was queerbait. When really, the toxicity is assuming his sexuality based on the feelings being presented and communicated. Sorry I went on a little rant, and got a little off topic but, bottom line is that stiles radiates big bi energy and there doesn’t need to be confirmation to see that.
Kels Saw sexuality is not and it shouldn’t be a big deal but what people are really mad about is that they only gave some hints of his sexuality without any confirmation (I don’t mean inside the show but at least from the writers or producers) and the most upsetting part was the extra clip that was obviously queerbating to get people to vote for them
민슈가Yoongi’sGummySmile yeah I get where people are coming from, I just don’t think there needs to be confirmation for it to be representation. The video of Dylan and Tyler was obviously just fan pandering, I won’t deny that. Agree to disagree I guess.
"Gays, gays , where the gays?" I want that to be a meme XD You guys are the best, I´m learning a lot as well WHILE being entertained :)
Lena Luthor is portrayed by Katie McGrath, who was Morgana in Merlin - also a super queerbaiting character!
I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but I only just noticed and it deeply annoys me that I hadn't before.
I don't think Katie McGrath knows how to play a straight character ngl
I feel like these example of media are like a couple of conservative parents that don't want to admit that an uncle or aunt is queer, and are trying to find a sly way to explain it to a young person. That's the vibe. It's so sad. Geez.
Yep. I was definitely gay before I even hit the double digits, yet it's something kids should apparently be shielded from. Adults don't seem to fuss over little heterosexuals but homosexuality is still seen as a perversion by these people.
@SharinByaku8 Definitely, and I think it's this learned fear. So by making it 'naughty' they can find a way to avoid being honest with young people.
Have you ever been sent any clips of Once Upon a Time, specifically “Swan Queen”, I remember physically crying over how bad I wanted them to be together when I was younger and how powerfully emotional their scenes felt only to be given such heteronormative bullshit from the writers. I stopped watching after a certain season but I know it got bad
Me, a gay pigeon:
*viciously consumes breadcrumbs whilst crying Coz why won’t they just give me a damn sandwich* 😢😢😢🐦🐦🐦
🥪 Here go!
"It's never a twist that somebody's straight" reasons why I love fanfic. I did read a story where one of the characters being het was a plot twist. Admittedly, this was in context of working as a gay porn star, but still. It was a very sex-positive environment to come out as actually only doing this because it pays better than het porn.
I feel like I have an aneurysm every time I see the queerbaiting of Betty/Veronica and Kara/Lena jesus christ
In my opinion, the only part of Teen Wolf's "queerbaiting" that actually annoys me is the third video, not because of the video itself, but rather because the cast and crew were so reluctant to recognize Stiles and Derek as a ship, mentioning it was annoying and even saying something like "if you're watching the show for this ship, you're watching for the wrong reasons," and then go ahead and use that same ship to get votes.
I think the writers always intended for Stiles' sexuality to be left unknown, or at least wanted him to be curious. I personally have no problems with that, considering that the writers always mentioned they wanted to have a diversity of characters and wanted to be inclusive.
Teen Wolf is one of the worst shows when it comes to Queerbaiting, and I abhor Jeff Davis with a passion. I am still pissed to this day about how they used and baited Stiles, especially outside of the show. I think what really got me going was how far Jeff Davis encouraged the queerbaiting, especially outside of the show. The video of Dylan O'Brien and Tyler Hoechlin on the boat is a prime example. I had been really excited because I thought they were hinting toward a relationship between two bisexual (or pan) characters, but it was simply to get LGBT+ views/votes. After season three I put my foot down and dropped the show entirely.
Don't even get me started on the people who accuse me of "pushing my gay agenda" onto TV shows when I bring up the issues of queerbaiting.
it's not jeff's fault, he wanted sterek to be a thing lmao. tyler posey demanded for them to not be a thing bc it was overshadowing scallison. do some research before u go hating.
@@jj-uv4rf Could you direct me towards this tidbit of information? What should I google to find this? I really want to know who I should be blaming for the suffering I had to endure for 7 seasons.
@@bloodcottoncandy ua-cam.com/video/1mutNFIu8iU/v-deo.html this is just one example of tyler posing hating on sterek.
@@jj-uv4rf I don't know that tyler not wanting sterek to overshadow scallison would be enough to sway the writers / showrunner? Short of him like, "i'm going to quit if you do this." And even then - just leak that to the media and he'd be in infinitely hot water.
yes, the show has clear gay characters ranging from side characters to supporting and even main (mason) but it's queerbaiting, sure. but yes, stiles, a teenager, being unsure about his sexuality is not at all normal at that age, right? >_<
as for stiles and derek, stiles is a teenager, derek is an adult in his early 20's, how sick do you have to be to want them to be a couple?
anyone else here still angry about Sherlock?
I’m more just sad and heartbroken these days. Still can barely think about anyone involved without bitterness or disappointment. Probably will never be able to fully get over it, so I get you 😕
Yup, honestly don't really like that show anymore. The last season really put me off it for good
@@elisesweeney1997 same here tbh 😬 i knew moffat was a pos but i really didn't expect that from gatiss. should've known better i guess 🤷♂️
Yes. I put so much of my energy into their relationship and I was quite literally heartbroken and it upset me to a point where people around me got worried about my wellbeing. I actually completely stopped shipping anybody unless it's official, because I'm not putting myself through that ever again. Good, authentic LGBT representation may be hard to find, but it's out there
@@viktoria1650 Yes! It was so upsetting I couldn't even fully understand why at the time but this video helped a lot in realising what is so wrong with those things and why we feel like that
It's weird to see Rizzoli&Isles but not House M.D., which in a way was the pioneer for this. The main friendship between House and Wilson was a huge factor of their popolarity and they had so much articles about their bromance, but behind the scene there was a lot of talk about Wilson actually being a possible love interest, especially in the early seasons (Hugh Laurie in particular really liked the idea). They even run off together in the final.
(I know this is very late sorry) Yes with House and the ending always reminds me of Good Omens how Crowley wants to just leave everything and go off with Aziraphale. Honestly, all of BBC shows and so many other shows know what their doing and I feel like they only do it only to attract the LGBT+ audience to watch their show till the end even is it last Decades *cough cough Supernatural* so they can give no representation in the end or just do "last minute gays".
What about that one scene in SPN where Dean and Cas stare at each other intensely for a solid 20 seconds
Which one. Aren’t there several. Also, the actors (Jensen and Misha) have actually confirmed that those looks are described as ”eyef*cking” in the scripts they get.
@@sarcosatch1860 wait omg do you have like a convention link or smth to that??
@Mahi S. Here’s a clip:
m.ua-cam.com/video/oCR1Ni49XzE/v-deo.html
I’ve seen HTTYD sooooo many times and I absolutely adore it and I’ve never ever even considered “one other reason” meant that he was gay. That’s so disappointing
I am surprised that the Bechloe's universal ad where they almost kiss and then Beca says swipe up to get tickets to Pitch Perfect 3 was not in here
this video raised my blood pressure -- with stiles specifically, dylan o'brien is the only one who confirmed he's straight.
italian skam is... a mess, but even the original with skam had queerbaiting with girls fml.
so many of these i had never seen before and i--- hate it, but i love this video & the conversation around it.
also your hair is amazing.
I only watched the American one, and I didn't finish it.
The queerbaiting when it comes to wlw in Skam is so annoying, especially considering it has good mlm rep, so we know they could do it and with Eskild and now Filippo's speeches they have done their research about what it means to be gay. And then Isak being gay was hinted at for two seasons and in the end that's what he turned out to be while Vilde and Eva were kissing for the same period of time and never ended up together. So disappointing. I still like Skam but I really hope one or more of the remakes give us a gay Vilde or a bisexual Noora or some wlw rep that isn't queerbaiting. Druck has confirmed the Noora character to be bi but it doesn't seem like there will be a second season, so we won't get to see more than her kissing the Eva character to get rid of a boy and that's not enough.
@@boutzee REALLY!? when is it coming out? aaah good news at last. i haven't watched any other remake than the german and italian one at this point, i really need to get to it.
@@blackk_rose_ i think it start mid december! my favorite is probably the dutch one x
@@boutzee i have high expectations for the dutch remake, which worries me a little :D but for now, i'll finish skam italia season 2 and with druck season 2 already coming out in december, i probably won't start a new remake in between. i'll watch the dutch version when druck is over though.
In the defense of Power Rangers, she was a closeted teenager. I was just about the same way in highschool.
She is coded bisexual. Any bisexual could relate to that. I didn't even understood bisexuality until I was in my 20s... And I've been bi my entire life
Thank you!!!! I was going to say the same thing! Did they forget they had to come out at some point??! Did they also forget how hard it is?!?!
I don’t think their criticism is of the character’s expression. It’s of the marketing team hyping her up as an LGBT character and patting themselves on the back for their “efforts” when the most they did was show uncertainty that could possibly be interpreted as being closeted.
(There’s nothing wrong with representing closeted people, but it becomes queerbating when there is no solid evidence that the person was lgbt in the first place. And no, I don’t believe directors/producers saying “they’re lgbt just trust us” should count. Show us in the medium itself)
I took the, "This is why I never married. This and one other reason" as Gobber not liking kids, like he didn't want kids and that's what most people want when they're married and settled.
Yeah, I always took it to mean he had erectile dysfunction or something. But I would’ve NEVER guessed it meant that.
Honestly i’m STARVING for a film/tv serie where there is ZERO romance. Like, this where everyone is straight, everyone is gay, everyone is bi, everyone is ace. You know nothing at all and it’s not important. SO GREAT
YEEEES
Wow I would watch that in a heartbeat. I hate how writers rely on romance so much to make up for their crappy writing (looking at you every teen drama ever.)
Watch Legend of the guardians the owls of ga'hoole. It's a great story, beautiful movie and no romance whatsoever without being an explicit childrens movie.
The second teen wolf clip made me so mad
I wouldn't say that is the only gay scene in Beauty and the Beast at all. Throughout the movie, I thought it was made really clear through the camera work and the acting that Lefou was queer. Even though the final scene everyone was talking about, and the one you reacted to, was pretty short and not very explicit, it was designed that was so that it could be released in countries where homosexuality is not socially acceptable and/or criminalised. Because of how the film, in my opinion, builds up to that moment, I don't think it is as unnoticeable as you guys said.
Also, I feel like it can't be considered queer-baiting in the same sense as the other films/shows you reacted to, especially since the film-maker himself tried to keep the hype down. In the actual interview of which snippets went viral, the film-maker, a gay man, explicitly stated that the exclusively gay moment was not going to be a huge ground-breaking scene and was just meant as a first step for LGBT+ representation in Disney. He literally said it'd be about 5 seconds. Though media coverage, with some isolated quotes from the article, gave the movie publicity, Disney itself didn't seem to be trying to use it to draw queer audiences in.
Esmeralda GamgeeTook totally agree!
Esmeralda GamgeeTook thank you, I was going to comment the same thing. I honestly didn’t even read/hear about Beauty and the Beast having an openly gay character beforehand but I still saw him as that from the beginning on! So I think it’s a bit harsh to say that that was queerbaiting. The only thing one could argue about is that LeFou quite a stereotypically gay person (e.g. his behaviour is quite feminine). But it’s still Disney we’re talking about, so I’d say it’s a step in the right direction.
Esmeralda GamgeeTook I completely agree
I do want to say though, LeFou is bad representation. He's portrayed as creepy and clingy in his pursuit of Gaston, which just feeds into the "predatory gay" trope. If anything, LeFou's character did more harm than good.
@Esmeralda GamgeeTook I completely agree, they did build it up to where you would be able to pick it up at the dancing scene if not before then. I picked it up when Gaston and Lefou were dancing in the bar.
Braincell 1: This is a very deep video about an important topic that is very serious
Braincell 2: Her hair matches her bra strap that's super cute
I have seen how to train your dragon 2 so many times I never knew about his “representation” like wtf
If you want to see queerbating through an entire show just watch Girl Meets World lol
I was thinking the same thing 😑
yesss I don't know why they didn't they have an LGBT character in that show andi mack or something? ALSO Rowan(Riley) came out as queer so its not like the show would be forcing her to be something she's not
Exactly!
It's Disney. It's homophobic, biphobic... They just hate anything that isn't related to heterosexuality, cis people and traditional gender roles. That's it.
Judith Sauch Secanell lol you’re not wrong😂
I love Callum's reaction face with the "ship" promo fiasco! He's just so done! He looks like he's about to punch the screen! :D
On the beauty and the beast one: I had never actually blinked and missed anything before. This was a new experience for me. Thanks Disney
Httyd is one of my favourite franchises, I’ve watch it over and over and I never ever picked up on that scene until watching this, and I’m gay. I can’t believe it...
What scene?
You guys didn't see TNT's promo for one of the early seasons of Rizzoli and Isles, where they both go speed dating and pretty much end the night at the same table... so much baiting.
hm reminds me of all the hype around shiro's fiance in voltron, who we were apparently going to meet in season 7, he had about 5 lines and one was him screaming as he died, it was impossible to tell that they were in a relationship if you hadn't heard the press or read the tweet...so that's fun.
Izzy The Disappointment he’s not really dead
Ooof i feel
I'm surprise you didn't have supernatural also, with scenes like "Cas the last time someone looked at me like that, I got laid."
"He was your boyfriend first." and my favorite "Cas I need you(which was supposed to be I love you)."
It's even as recent as season 14, when Kip says to Cas 'i thought you were joined at the everything' while looking down at his crotch area.
Someone brought up something interesting the other day, that back in the season 10, when Dean was a demon, it was kind of implied that he and Crowley had a fivesome with some triplets, so was that a confirmation that he is bi? Or are we just looking into things too much lmao
Yup and we're the ones who "look too much into it". Cas and dean clearly have a far better relationship than Cas and Sam. Like the fact when Cas died (most recent death) and dean literally got depressed and even prayed to God to bring Cas back cause he didn't know any other way for him to come back and who was it that Cas called the second he came back to life and the first person he made eye contact with even though both Sam and Dean came for him? Fucking Dean like always.
yall could do a whole ass video on Supernatural
Sadly yes 😞
that how to train your dragon one, when he said "that and one other reason" i genuinely thought he meant he had a hook for a hand so women werent attracted to him, i did not think "gay" at all, and im a gay guy. Thats how nuanced this idiotic stuff is
Yeah. At most I thought it was a sly adult joke implying he had an erectile dysfunction.
It shouldn't have been rose who saved Finn in tlj, it should have been Poe
It shouldn't have been Rose who kissed Finn in tlj, it should have been Poe
"I feel like I've got to sit down and watch a load of lgbt+ movies."
You know what? Not a bad idea. I will go do that. Thanks, Calum! :)
I was excited to see a gay character in Beauty and the Beast when I went to see it in theatres. I never knew who the character was until someone told me the gay scene was him singing "which team they're on" in the Gaston song. It wasn't until seeing this video, years later, that I noticed the two men dancing together.
And usually I look out for this kind of stuff.
How can anyone call this representation?!
About the thing with the music: In Legend of Korra they reinforced the relationship of Korrasami by choosing the same romantic melody that represented Aang and Katara. So when a kids show is aware of their use of music to suggest a romantic couple you cannot tell me, that these other shows aren't aware of what they're doing as well
God, I'm so glad Welcome To Night Vale exists.
Yessss I love Night Vale!!!! Iconic 😌
And new addition to the list: Captain Marvel.
Wait what, I thought Cap Marvel was a Lesbian
@@sdk9662 (Unfortunately) she's not.
They coded the fuck out of the friendship, but the heartbreaking thing is the little girl who's devastated from losing her other *mom* and immediately accepts her back, only for the movie to reveal nah, no gay here! Marvel is pretty great at representation, which makes the straightwashing in the MCU that much worse.
@@LillyAlara The worst part about MCU queerbaiting is all of the hype and media coverage they get for having LGBTQ+ characters without showing any in the text itself or doing the bare minimum. The example that makes me most upset was when Endgame was said to have a gay couple and it was a split second where a man mentioned his husband and nothing else was given. It's so disappointing to watch when they could be so representative :/
@@paytonlavallee5384 Yeah, the MCU is no front-to-back cover of two men getting married (which to be fair, that issue deserves its criticism) but Disney has taken the best parts of Marvel's inclusion and swept it all under the rug on-screen based on this assumption of 'well they don't actually watch our movies anyways, so throw them a PR bone'. They love the media hype but are cowards in the editing room.
To me Lefou is just as clearly gay in the new beauty and the beast as oaken is in frozen (the guy with the shop/sauna) only because it's pointed out beforehand you can see it😓 (it feels a bit like an easter egg)
Anne Dekker yes!!
Oaken is queer?
Star Gourd yes, when they show his family in the sauna it's a guy with children (but it's like 3 seconds and people could argue that it's his brother or something along those lines)
I thought it was a woman in the sauna, idk, women don't have to be so pretty.
I love riverdale- I literally have Cheryl Blossom tattooed on me. But their level of queer baiting is genuinely insane. In the newest promo, we see Joaquin and Archie kiss and there's just no way that they're ever going to actually be together. They're not going to make any of the core four anything but straight, because that would mean that they had to give screen time to the lgbt characters of the show.
Toni had screen time when she was with Jughead, Cheryl had screen time when she was with Archie, she had screen time when she was hinted to be with her own goddamn brother, but when she's with a woman there's just... nothing. Their road trip- which probably contained most of the important milestones in their relationship- is something we'll probably never get to see.
Kevin basically isn't even a real character at this point. In the first ep of s3 he was basically just someone to run around and tell everyone what was happening, he didn't get a plot of his own at all. He was just used as the lazy way out.
Also they made Fangs gay and then.... forgot. Midge literally calls him gay- not 'into guys', or 'bi', or 'lgbt'- gay. And then a few episodes later they're apparently having sex?
RIGHT. its almost as if Cherryl loving Her brother a tad too much was okay but god forbid we see Her with a girl! At the same time, we cant blame the writers, but the network. Maybe Netflix has certain quotas and they need to accept certains things in order to create.
To my understanding, Fangs is bi, that is what I've seen fans say. I guess Midge was trying to say he was queer but she should have said it differently.
And lets not forget how Jughead is asexual in comics but is sexually attracted to girls in the show
ikr and the Archie and Joaquin kiss pissed me off so much cuz they put it in all the trailers and everything and it was so obviously queer bait and they literally kissed for absolutely no fucking reason at all just to make more ppl watch it like wtf
Lena is not yet evil, and i don't think she is going to be, but those two have the most chemistry of any couple in the show including the straight relationships they have both been in
supercorp is incredibly frustrating like it’s so obvious that lena and kara are in love that by not making it cannon you’re alienating over half of your viewers. kara has spent like 3 years being single and flirting with her BesT fRiEnd lena luthor and you’re trying to tell me they’re not in love. at first supercorp was scoffed at but now the cast are being asked about it in mainstream interviews. supercorp itself is so popular right now that supergirl would have a massive increase in viewership if they do make it cannon. but there’s really no heterosexual explanation for the way kara gets all flustered around lena and the way they look at each other. can they just be happy please smh
You could literally make a whole 20 minute video of JUST supernatural and sherlock queerbaiting our asses :( also great video :'))
I was so heartbroken every time a new clip came up because Calum looked so excited and hopeful about the ending
Same I literally blinked and missed the Beauty and the Beast scene, it was so overhyped
One word merlin I’m still annoyed 😤😭
you should make an entire video like this on sherlock...
I felt physical pain while watching this. Even though I've seen nearly all of these examples before because I've been duped by them