I've been using square filed chain logging hardwood in Pennsylvania. What I like about it is how smooth it is especially while bore cutting. I really like it.
Rakers are honesty a little low if i remember. It was bordering on grabby here. Im still figuring this out one day at a time like everyone else. Far from professional. Cool to see a different perspective on my saw and chain. I hope to send you more things to play with in the future
I LOVE the way that suare grind cuts. Sooo smooth. But that C83 chain is terribly difficult to beat I my wood. Can't explain it, but it's true. I'll try your channel out in pine. Maybe it's faster in the soft stuff?
@novicelumberjack that's my regular old everyday work grind (was. Still making tweaks.) I do more falling and bucking so smoother IS faster for me. Also, I'm running 32-36 inch bars so that could play a role too. I honestly realized that my grind had some serious room for improvement between sending that chain and you making the video and have made some changes. Just skating that line of speed, smoothness and durability
I tried square/bevel filing my square grind chains but you hit a grain of sand at it’s done. I went back to round filing and have much greater results. Just wanted to pass this along to people who cut dirty tree service wood for splitting. Great show, thanks.
Of course for me it isn't the first cut for either, it's how they perform tree four and five on a typical winter day in the mud, snow & hardwood. Love the c83, been using it since it was released & what I typically use. But really like the RS as it does last a little longer :) So it's isn't yet again about a cookie cut one time....but how does it last vs. stock chains in our dirty conditions as well. So YOU could please run them for about an hour and test them again :) BUT yet again you doing this shows the "BS" that is pushed so hard is....BS. Hard to out engineer the true engineers. Thank you
Because most of the people that run square ground chain, also run skip tooth so they started there. I'd like to see full comp and semi skip square ground. I'd definitely buy a roll at that point
The c83 is hard to beat but i still like the stihl chains a little better. . Maybe its all in my head but it seems to me the stihl chains just last longer and stay sharp longer between sharpening. Both seems great tho
I've had several square filed chains, the HEXA too. Nothing beats the C83, by my testing. It's absurd how people get different results. I've used powerful saws and medium saws. Here on my property, C83 wins everytime unless it has already been pretty well used. I am DYING to get something other than a full tilt race chain that can beat it. I literally want it to be beaten, specifically by a round file if possible. Smitty seems to be having luck.
Meh...I'm just looking to find the fastest chain. If I want it to stay sharp for a long time, I'd get a semi-chesel. But to his point, I've seen no difference in longevity between the C83 and Stihl RS. Oregon EXL seems to lose its keen edge pretty quickly and drops down a bit. But all three of them can be worked for a few tanks before I start feeling like they are dull. Only problem is the C83 drops in speed and you never get it back with a traditional sharpening whereas both the RS and EXL are sharper after filed.
Can't even buy a square ground chain at any dealer here in Florida. I've checked with probably 50 dealers of multiple brands and they all say the same thing. The square dulls insanely fast in our sandy wood, nobody wants it, so they won't keep it in stock. It will not sell. If you want square, they can order it for you or you can order it from online suppliers but dealers will not have it or carry it in-stock. There's no such thing as clean wood here. I find sand 20 feet up in trees. The bark holds it and it stays put. My full chisel round ground dull faster here than they do in Georgia, where I'm from. Sand is the enemy of saw chains down here. I've battled it every day out of the 6 years I've lived in Florida.
Great comparison. I'll stick with hand filing (round file) my chains. The initial investment of $1700 for a Simington or $2400 for a Silvy is just not feasible for me for a little bit a gain in smoothness in the cut. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🪓🪵🪓🪵🪓🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
I've been using square filed chain logging hardwood in Pennsylvania. What I like about it is how smooth it is especially while bore cutting. I really like it.
What part Pennsylvania are you cutting in
@grantrobbins4921 northeast corner. Wayne, lackawanna, and pike counties mainly.
Rakers are honesty a little low if i remember. It was bordering on grabby here.
Im still figuring this out one day at a time like everyone else. Far from professional. Cool to see a different perspective on my saw and chain. I hope to send you more things to play with in the future
I LOVE the way that suare grind cuts. Sooo smooth. But that C83 chain is terribly difficult to beat I my wood. Can't explain it, but it's true. I'll try your channel out in pine. Maybe it's faster in the soft stuff?
@novicelumberjack that's my regular old everyday work grind (was. Still making tweaks.) I do more falling and bucking so smoother IS faster for me. Also, I'm running 32-36 inch bars so that could play a role too. I honestly realized that my grind had some serious room for improvement between sending that chain and you making the video and have made some changes. Just skating that line of speed, smoothness and durability
Nice work.!!
RS is a slow chassis, worst choice for timed cuts, it’s a fantastic work chain. Add a touch more forward lean and grind a loop of C83 to square Jeff😉
@@ethantrainer9595 I'm playing with a loop of c83 now. Damn good cutting chain
I tried square/bevel filing my square grind chains but you hit a grain of sand at it’s done. I went back to round filing and have much greater results. Just wanted to pass this along to people who cut dirty tree service wood for splitting. Great show, thanks.
I need to try a fresh C83 and see what it is all about
Can't argue with results. But man Jeff's grind was nipping on that c83's heels!
It certainly was!
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Of course for me it isn't the first cut for either, it's how they perform tree four and five on a typical winter day in the mud, snow & hardwood. Love the c83, been using it since it was released & what I typically use. But really like the RS as it does last a little longer :) So it's isn't yet again about a cookie cut one time....but how does it last vs. stock chains in our dirty conditions as well. So YOU could please run them for about an hour and test them again :) BUT yet again you doing this shows the "BS" that is pushed so hard is....BS. Hard to out engineer the true engineers. Thank you
52x40 is the 064 bore and stoke. I thought only round file chain is allowed at saw fest.
Stopped at 7:31 I'm calling that square ground faster.
Now I will see how bad my warped mind timelining is...
Haha! This is a cool comment. I like how you tried to guess the outcome and commented to make it official!
Very interesting, great video !
it sounded like you had more RPM with the square ground
Very Good and interesting comparison!!!! 👍🏻
I don't see any losers in that video. Saw or chain.
Try some C83SK square skip. Unfortunately not available in full complement.
Isn't it weird that it only comes in skip? I mean, what's the point in that?
Because most of the people that run square ground chain, also run skip tooth so they started there. I'd like to see full comp and semi skip square ground. I'd definitely buy a roll at that point
Pretty sure Stihl makes full comp square ground in rolls. I personally don’t like skip or half skip on any shorter bars.
The c83 is hard to beat but i still like the stihl chains a little better. . Maybe its all in my head but it seems to me the stihl chains just last longer and stay sharp longer between sharpening. Both seems great tho
Comment from me today 🎉. I'm liking that C83
good stuff, If square doesn’t beat C83, they need to continue practicing square filing.
I've had several square filed chains, the HEXA too. Nothing beats the C83, by my testing. It's absurd how people get different results. I've used powerful saws and medium saws. Here on my property, C83 wins everytime unless it has already been pretty well used. I am DYING to get something other than a full tilt race chain that can beat it. I literally want it to be beaten, specifically by a round file if possible. Smitty seems to be having luck.
@@novicelumberjack have Jonbob send you one
Cajuns saw looked faster in the other vid.
Great whack off!!! That’s awesome
BEST in The BIZness....lol....seriously....shocking........ordered a 3 pack for myself........462
No, your C83 beat my hand square filed EXL. But like Walt said. Cutting in dirty wood for a tank or two would definitely tell the tale.
Meh...I'm just looking to find the fastest chain. If I want it to stay sharp for a long time, I'd get a semi-chesel. But to his point, I've seen no difference in longevity between the C83 and Stihl RS. Oregon EXL seems to lose its keen edge pretty quickly and drops down a bit. But all three of them can be worked for a few tanks before I start feeling like they are dull. Only problem is the C83 drops in speed and you never get it back with a traditional sharpening whereas both the RS and EXL are sharper after filed.
@@novicelumberjack agree on all points!
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Gotta get me a C83 for my Noker! 😮😅😂
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Hey BP!
100 feet of xcut c83 is 549 dollars msrp
Yeah, it's expensive!
Can't even buy a square ground chain at any dealer here in Florida. I've checked with probably 50 dealers of multiple brands and they all say the same thing. The square dulls insanely fast in our sandy wood, nobody wants it, so they won't keep it in stock. It will not sell. If you want square, they can order it for you or you can order it from online suppliers but dealers will not have it or carry it in-stock. There's no such thing as clean wood here. I find sand 20 feet up in trees. The bark holds it and it stays put. My full chisel round ground dull faster here than they do in Georgia, where I'm from. Sand is the enemy of saw chains down here. I've battled it every day out of the 6 years I've lived in Florida.
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Great comparison. I'll stick with hand filing (round file) my chains. The initial investment of $1700 for a Simington or $2400 for a Silvy is just not feasible for me for a little bit a gain in smoothness in the cut. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🪓🪵🪓🪵🪓🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲