I've checked out the prices of those Datron machines and it's quite frankly mind boggling. Until you see the mirror surface finish the parts have straight off the machine. Incredible and clearly worth the price. Another fantastic video, thanks.
@@theofficialczex1708 ah so if I used single flute tooling and the proper feeds and speed on my 6040 Chinese router I'd get the same result? Great news!
@@PraetexDesign I've never seen the vacuum diffuser layer used before, if you don't mind sharing, where do you get them from? Also Is it specific to that machine vacuum table design?
Yeah, I also curious about that, but if using our machine to process aluminum, you just need to put the material on it , then it can be fixed by vacuum.
How do you align or ensure that the stock is parallel with the table or spindle on top of the paper diffuser? I don't see any end stops or alignment pegs to position the stock against.
1st time viewer. That's amazing. If that were polished to a chrome like mirror finish it would be absolutely stunning. The reflections from the hardware and aRGB (assuming) would surely be mesmerizing. Like a Disco Ball or Kaleidoscope. Greetings from frozen hell Alaska. Don't let ur meat loaf.
questions regarding the vacuum: do you have to close the unused, uncovered channels manually or does the machine control allow you to define how many of them are active? can you show the vacuum pump? or is that a venturi-based system? other question about that machine - i wonder what the biggest tool would be, you could use to mill away from a aluminium block, without overpowering that vacuum-clamp or the machine
@@supremecommander2398 The table’s divided into 100mm cells that each have a little twist valve in the centre. Prior to cutting you have to close off the cells that won’t be used to help reduce the vacuum leakage. That part’s manual, although you can switch on/off the left/right plate from the machine control if you’re not using the whole area. This machine has a pretty small spindle, the largest tool you’d realistically want to use is the 20mm monoblock facemill that Datron/BIG Daishowa make. HSKE-25 is a small interface that isn’t designed with large tooling in mind, so the spindle limit is pretty quickly reached. If you machined a large plate that covered say a whole side of the vacuum table you could in theory take some very meaty cuts as the holding force scales with the area.
@@gabsshop4966 I’ve personally been pretty pleased with them. I generally use them to prolong the life of more expensive tools so I’m not too worried about potential shortcomings like dimension tolerances etc. They definitely don’t last as long as more expensive tools though. I’m not too keen on experimenting with a lot of Aliexpress carbide though, I only went with Dreanique as they’d been vetted fairly heavily by the PrintNC community.
what was your choice of Datron Cube based on. The work I have seen so far on your channel looks to my eyes (hobby guy) could be accomplished by Shapeoko HDM or similar premium hobby machines with a spinogy x22 spindle. Apologies if i offended you. EDIT: are there use cases you just cant show us, or edge cases that haven't come up yet. Or am I massively underestimating the precision required.
@@subuktageenfarooqi5712 The main thing is this is a machine that has the capability to do reliable production, whereas those other hobby routers very much do not. I’m also only able to show certain jobs, which tend to align with hobby content more. Simple jobs can very much be accomplished on a basic machine, this is exactly what I used to do with my old CNCStep machine over on Bit-Tech. But scaling that up to become a business and grow definitely means stepping up the equipment also.
@@subuktageenfarooqi5712 Honestly the choice was fairly quick on this one. Since a lot of the work I do is panel stuff, the Datrons were a very logical choice, they’re pretty much perfect for work with plastics. Down the line I’ll be supplementing this machine with others that cover the areas where this machine doesn’t excel like heavy material removal or simultaneous 5ax work etc.
Looks like 6000 serious aluminium. 6061 maybe 6082 perhaps? Surely not 7000 serious ( it's missing that hint of yellow color ) and also not 1000 serious ( to steel like color not enough silver'ish color ) Might be straight bolted on according to that indicator. Time to bring out the CEJ510-9 then xD ( it's a 0.0001mm/0.1 micron pr. Devision indicator )
Thank you for sharing your work with us. It is always great to see the process and considerations made to create such a wonderful part. May I know if you used any cooling for this particular work? Or did you omit just for the video?
When do you make normal Vlogs again? I don't really like ASMR, I want to know more about the projects itself in form of a Vlog or at least with some commentary.
@@Brealiq Next video coming up is a vlog style one. It’s hard to keep both camps happy, the vlogs work best for more involved projects whereas the ASMR videos suit more regular jobshop work better.
I cringe every time I see that Renishaw probe moving hard into the piece on the job starts. Renishaw has a virtual monopoly in the CMM space so those probes are not cheap. The CMM heads were like 30k USD a piece back in 2008.
@@Leiesoldat I wouldn’t worry too much, the speed here is perfectly fine. They’re still costly but nothing like 30K, the carbide stem would break first, it would also be knocked off the magnet mount and error out since it descends at an angle.
@@valentin-rc I will definitely be adding a blasting setup at some point, but anodising might not happen since it needs a lot of expertise to do well + is a pain to set up here.
I've checked out the prices of those Datron machines and it's quite frankly mind boggling.
Until you see the mirror surface finish the parts have straight off the machine. Incredible and clearly worth the price.
Another fantastic video, thanks.
The surface finish is the result of using single-flute tooling and proper feeds and speeds.
@@theofficialczex1708 ah so if I used single flute tooling and the proper feeds and speed on my 6040 Chinese router I'd get the same result?
Great news!
Hey Aaron! Curious - what sort of figure did you have in mind initially?
Rob Dahm needs to see this CNC machine because holy fuck this thing is cool as hell
May be they both collab and design parts of the 12 rotor
wow, fastest 15mins ever. I got so much into the vid it just POOF, gone. Marvelous work!
oh yeah, more machining! Love it!
The sweet sound of machining aluminum 👂 🩸
Nice Video! How do you clamp the flat stock on the machine bed? Vacuum? Is that what the white sheet is for?
Yup the flat stock is all done on the vacuum table. The white card acts as a vacuum diffusion layer between the table and the workpiece.
@@PraetexDesign I've never seen the vacuum diffuser layer used before, if you don't mind sharing, where do you get them from? Also Is it specific to that machine vacuum table design?
Yeah, I also curious about that, but if using our machine to process aluminum, you just need to put the material on it , then it can be fixed by vacuum.
How is that work held down? on its own weight? I am used to a flat bed 3 axis, but this is sometihing else.
What CAM software do you use to program for the CNC?
hey, what is the feed and speed for the drill?
How do you align or ensure that the stock is parallel with the table or spindle on top of the paper diffuser? I don't see any end stops or alignment pegs to position the stock against.
@@ariasairforce I probe for alignment, the control can adjust to compensate for any shifting.
Beautiful work!
Is your camera mounted inside the machine while it's cutting? How are you not getting reflections from the protective glass on the door? :o
1st time viewer. That's amazing. If that were polished to a chrome like mirror finish it would be absolutely stunning. The reflections from the hardware and aRGB (assuming) would surely be mesmerizing. Like a Disco Ball or Kaleidoscope.
Greetings from frozen hell Alaska. Don't let ur meat loaf.
A fully polished one would look awesome!
Shame we did not get to see a shot with a motherboard mounted. Ahh well, as least he let you share the videos :)
What kind of paper is that above and what is its use?
@@nguyenhuyhoang8896 It’s Datron Vacucard, it acts as a diffusion layer and gasket for the vacuum table.
0:44 how does the (seemingly lack of) workholding...... work?
@@KwongKan It’s a vacuum table, the card acts as a diffusion layer between the chuck and the workpiece.
very cool
Shame we did not get to see it assembled, but really nice to see a variety of tools and setups in action
end of the video its assembled wdym?
@@cyber2526 Assembled as in putting a PC in that case.
Good. Where can I learn about this clip?😀
questions regarding the vacuum: do you have to close the unused, uncovered channels manually or does the machine control allow you to define how many of them are active? can you show the vacuum pump? or is that a venturi-based system?
other question about that machine - i wonder what the biggest tool would be, you could use to mill away from a aluminium block, without overpowering that vacuum-clamp or the machine
@@supremecommander2398 The table’s divided into 100mm cells that each have a little twist valve in the centre. Prior to cutting you have to close off the cells that won’t be used to help reduce the vacuum leakage. That part’s manual, although you can switch on/off the left/right plate from the machine control if you’re not using the whole area.
This machine has a pretty small spindle, the largest tool you’d realistically want to use is the 20mm monoblock facemill that Datron/BIG Daishowa make. HSKE-25 is a small interface that isn’t designed with large tooling in mind, so the spindle limit is pretty quickly reached. If you machined a large plate that covered say a whole side of the vacuum table you could in theory take some very meaty cuts as the holding force scales with the area.
How are the dreanique endmills? I've considered going with those ''lower end'' but never sure if its worth it of if I should go for name brands
@@gabsshop4966 I’ve personally been pretty pleased with them. I generally use them to prolong the life of more expensive tools so I’m not too worried about potential shortcomings like dimension tolerances etc.
They definitely don’t last as long as more expensive tools though. I’m not too keen on experimenting with a lot of Aliexpress carbide though, I only went with Dreanique as they’d been vetted fairly heavily by the PrintNC community.
what was your choice of Datron Cube based on. The work I have seen so far on your channel looks to my eyes (hobby guy) could be accomplished by Shapeoko HDM or similar premium hobby machines with a spinogy x22 spindle. Apologies if i offended you.
EDIT: are there use cases you just cant show us, or edge cases that haven't come up yet. Or am I massively underestimating the precision required.
@@subuktageenfarooqi5712 The main thing is this is a machine that has the capability to do reliable production, whereas those other hobby routers very much do not. I’m also only able to show certain jobs, which tend to align with hobby content more.
Simple jobs can very much be accomplished on a basic machine, this is exactly what I used to do with my old CNCStep machine over on Bit-Tech. But scaling that up to become a business and grow definitely means stepping up the equipment also.
@@PraetexDesign one more question, can you talk about what other machines you considered/looked at before you settled on Datron Cube.
@@subuktageenfarooqi5712 Honestly the choice was fairly quick on this one. Since a lot of the work I do is panel stuff, the Datrons were a very logical choice, they’re pretty much perfect for work with plastics. Down the line I’ll be supplementing this machine with others that cover the areas where this machine doesn’t excel like heavy material removal or simultaneous 5ax work etc.
how much is this cnc machine ?
Are you vacuum holding the work piece
@@jdsloan4609 I am indeed!
Looks like 6000 serious aluminium. 6061 maybe 6082 perhaps? Surely not 7000 serious ( it's missing that hint of yellow color ) and also not 1000 serious ( to steel like color not enough silver'ish color )
Might be straight bolted on according to that indicator. Time to bring out the CEJ510-9 then xD ( it's a 0.0001mm/0.1 micron pr. Devision indicator )
PRAETEX DESING !!! YOU CAN HAVE BETTER USE TO THE MIDDLE FINGER 😲
how does the billet hold on to this material?
@@zihera It’s a vacuum table, the card diffuses the vacuum across the surface.
Freaking cool...As usual 😎
I like your machine
Thank you for sharing your work with us. It is always great to see the process and considerations made to create such a wonderful part. May I know if you used any cooling for this particular work? Or did you omit just for the video?
@@ahmadamirul8379 Coolant’s on the whole time, it’s an MQL system so it’s almost invisible on camera.
You are awesome ❤❤
какой вес получился ?
When do you make normal Vlogs again? I don't really like ASMR, I want to know more about the projects itself in form of a Vlog or at least with some commentary.
@@Brealiq Next video coming up is a vlog style one. It’s hard to keep both camps happy, the vlogs work best for more involved projects whereas the ASMR videos suit more regular jobshop work better.
I cringe every time I see that Renishaw probe moving hard into the piece on the job starts. Renishaw has a virtual monopoly in the CMM space so those probes are not cheap. The CMM heads were like 30k USD a piece back in 2008.
@@Leiesoldat I wouldn’t worry too much, the speed here is perfectly fine. They’re still costly but nothing like 30K, the carbide stem would break first, it would also be knocked off the magnet mount and error out since it descends at an angle.
Hey, i want 1 of these please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now do it again out of a single block.
@@camoogoo I shall make it 🤏 big
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без галтовки и анодирования - выглядит как недоделанное
It was supplied unfinished so that the customer can experiment with different finishes and appearances.
@@PraetexDesign New to this channel but I haven't missed a video. Do see yourself ever adding those things to your workshop?
@@valentin-rc I will definitely be adding a blasting setup at some point, but anodising might not happen since it needs a lot of expertise to do well + is a pain to set up here.
Здравствуйте! Вы сможете сделать водоблок для видеокарты RTX 2070 Super Jetstream?
I can, but it would be a lot cheaper to just buy a 5090