Never heard of Spinner before. Fascinating stuff. I'll take one of each plus a 100k sq ft shop to run them in! Seriously, great to see a trade school built into the facility. I was an aimless teenager when I transferred to the local Vo-Tech and failed to get into my first choice, automotive shop. My 2nd choice, machine trades, turned my life around. Found something that I was really good at, That I LOVED, that drove me to learn and progress, and gave me a career. Still LOVE making crap to this day. I hope we can get more teenagers interested in the skilled side of manufacturing, make America a country that produces more high quality goods, and pays the skilled labor what they're worth. In my job as a computer consultant I make several times what I ever made as a moldmaker (the last phase of my manufacturing career) and moldmaking was MUCH MUCH more difficult than what I do now. I worked with some incredibly smart talented people when I was a moldmaker, and saw amazing things done everyday. I wish more young adults could be exposed to it, as I'm sure some would be drawn to it like I was.
That is one impressive make, that I’m embarrassed to say I hadn’t heard of until now. Mind blowing approach to axis movement and control on vibration and tolerance. I would love to run one.
Go on. Spinner Machines are amongst the cheapest on the market but with high quality Siemens, Heidenheim or Fanuc controls. They are robust and pretty accurate - I run three of them.
Thank you so much Ian and the Practical Machinist crew for visiting our machine tool factory in Germany 🇩🇪 The door is always open for all SPINNER machine shops, partners, friends, and enthusiasts to visit us as well. 🚀 Big things happening at SPINNER North America 🇺🇸 GREAT machines, and service to support the American Manufacturing Revolution! #arsenalofdemocracy SPINNER Werkzeugmaschinenfabrik GmbH SPINNER automation GmbH SPINNER Bulgaria Ltd. #precisionmachining #germanengineering #advancedmanufacturing
@@ItIsYeGiraffe ABG Lthmathe Gennar straße 2018 bis 2022, also 2018 grundlehrgänge dann 2021 maschienenbau und prüfungsvorbereitung nochmal 2022 und hatte da uch meine praktische abschlussprüfung
It has nothing to do with the products. "Spinner" is the german word for the profession of a textile thread maker. The other meaning of "Spinner" in German is mad lad, though.
You typically clean your workplace at the end of your shift and whenever you made something dirty. It's just very engraved into German factory professionals that a quality shop is a clean and well-organised shop. You are just better at what you do when you don't have any things lying around to look out for, know exactly where everything is that you need and have all equipment in perfect order all the time. German workers don't pay the tool, too.
@@CerealKiller. almost certainly not. Haas is decades younger than Spinner, Siemens didn't make machines, they just make CN-controls and measuring systems, Emco is from a neighbouring country which had tariffs on trade with Germany at the time. Spinner's neighbours are (or at this time were ) Deckel and Maho, which are now DMG Mori. They are about 120 km apart and at the time, Deckel was the world's leading machine tool manufacturer. The manufacturer of the lathes in the apprentice workshop isn't too far away either.
Turkey must do a lot of industrial casting for the west. I see them in the u.s. at some multi-national corporations that don't mind outsourcing. People don't want to work is what they say... well stop subsidizing people to be comfortable in their poverty or substance abuse etc
Awe mate you shoulda had a chat with their controls engineers too! Often times know more about the machine than the person who designed it. Would be cool to know how they control torque/velocity/position to those incredible precisions. Fancy paperweight without these folks!
This video was very informative and interesting. Checkout “ Museum of Our Industrial Heritage “ located in Greenfield,Mass. The earliest machinist tools and machines were made in this area and what a selection of tools and displays.
More function in less space - less rigidity and utilization of said functions per unit of time. Very unfortunate position on the market where neither mass numbers nor ultimate quality are required. Yet it is exactly what most shops rely on, compromises to get things going and not sitting on multi-billion dollar contracts
its a Really nice and clean company. was Nice to watch, just the Ultra high Precision Microturn is a sad thing here. I work at an Ultra Precision Lathe (Diamond Turning Lathe) and that runs into single digit Nanometers and the Microturn is just in Microns. my Machinist Brain complains here a lot to hear such over Selling of an actuall nice machine
I am working on Spinner Machines. Holy sh!t. The worst Machines i have ever worked with in 15 years as an Operator. My main machine is a TC 400 (build 2015). When i started working with it (2021) i realized the z axis was worn of an had a tolerance from 0,3 to 0,4mm! Every morning when i start the machine, the door won't open for 15-20 minutes until the machine has warmed up a bit. For some reason cooling water leaks into the hydraulic system (no, the spindle passage is closed so no water can intrude in there and when shes running for too long it leaks out on the floor too. The machine wasnt crashed or damaged. All this Problems occure though we only produce 4-8 easy parts a day. No shifts just easy going 8h a day. I worked on 30 years old machines (Mazak) and they did a better job than this piece of scrap.😂
Better address the issues and get them fixed instead of spending time talking about it?) All machinery can and will have issues, for different reasons. The brand sells thousands of machines, would not done it if more issues than it's competition-Good luck
@@spinnernorthamerica we are lokated in south germany. But anyway we already fixed the z axis and the Rest will not be repaired. Too expensive. Management is already planning to aquire new machines with (hopefully) higher quality standarts.
to behonest, this the reputation i know of. SPinner is seen as a cheap machine ,mostly for school shops... The machines i have seen where okaj,they worked,but the finish was really bad in many places,many leakes in Air, scharp corners,but thats not important. Worse were the realaibitlity issues. either the integration of the Siemens/Haidenhain is fucked up. Also many ppl working on them just hate them for not holding the Toleranaces. Dont want to shit talk,but the reuptation of SPinner is more on a level with Haas......entry budget....but i would always take a Mazak,DMG.Hermle;okuma and so on rather then the spinner.But again,they are fucking cheap ..
Their problem is that they are assembling all that in a non competitive environment. The Germans really need to learn to take back Germany from the current regime. Which means lower taxes, less regulations, relaxing national market restrictions. I know all that firsthand because I changed the regime, by moving to another country and the difference between the two systems is stunning while the current country is still able to keep up a good education system, healthcare and excellent business environment (which Germany is not for small businesses).
There‘s no regime in Germany. There might be one soon, tho, when we keep whining. Lower taxes means more personal costs, especially for the lower incomes. Taxes are a sensible way of socialising costs. Regulations are essentially a means to protect people‘s rights. What we need is more income equality and better infrastructure. Which would all be easy if our taxes where fair.
@@gurlix I highly disagree, I ran a business in Germany labor intensive (and I worked out the steps myself), it makes you think who's on the other side of the taxes and what do they do for you or the surrounding environment. Germany is good for other types of businesses, however they won't teach you you need to figure that out yourself. Every country has advantages and disadvantages, and not all businesses are suitable for all countries. There is no such thing as fair competition (as they propagate in Germany). The labor intensive part was the EMS / Electronic manufacturing part; the R&D part was easy to multiply, we now do Software/Electronics and Machining and still do most items inhouse - but in Asia and it's much more relaxed. Public services are on a very high level as well (schools, hospitals... yes we use/d all of them already). The performance of the German government was poor. Nowadays I live in Asia (in an economical powerhouse), now we work with other companies I'm surrounded by hard working businesses - and it pays off for them they can invest way easier. The government has certain rules but the enforcement is not so strict. So they can focus on the actual work rather than crazy useless bureaucracy. You might look up the what the term regime means, once you run a business in Germany you will fully agree that there's a certain regime in place in Germany - which mostly doesn't work in favor of the country nor of most people. Socialism like it's established in Germany is nothing but a scam, even votes are influenced by it. Eg. will junkies ever vote for hard working people or for their suppliers? You can shift votes accordingly by influencing the money stream - and that's heavily practiced in Germany. No one wants to be accountable for anything in Germany once you look at the other side of the money flow (the tax side). They all hide themselves behind something. Trying to reach out to them - via those fancy internet websites and actually testing their contactability will show you that no one cares, the citizens are last tier entities within that system.
@@luusim Sagen jene welche noch nichts besseres gesehen haben. Absolut verständlich. Eventuell auch mal im Wörterbuch nachschlagen was ein Regime überhaupt ist. Und wie viel Einspruchmöglichkeiten man in Deutschland bezüglich diversen Gesetzen überhaupt hat - nicht erschrecken - es sind nämlich keine.
Wow, imagine watching a video, noticing the direction of a hat, and going out of your way to comment on it. Jealousy really does bring out the sharpest observations!
eine digital gesteuerte Maschine kann gar nicht ungenau sein, ob chinesische, russische oder deutsche Maschine. Darum kann man gegen chinesische etc. Produkte nicht mehr punkten, was Schnelligkeit und Genaugkeit anbelangt. Sogar Indonesien und Vietnam bauen schon digital gesteuerte Maschinen, ein frueherer technologischer Vorsprung ist zusammengeschrumpft, auf tausendstel mm, was aber nicht mehr genuegt. Eine chinesische Bohrmaschine ist darum genau so gut wie eine bei BOSCH in Deutschland hergestellte Maschine, weil sie von digitalen Robotern produziert wurde. Der fruehere Vorsprung von deutschen Produkten kann nicht aufrecht gehalten werden, jetzt kaempfen Roboter gegen Roboter. Der Mann im bayrischen Lodenjanker wird arbeitslos werden, obwohl er perfekte Maschinen herstellt, die Asiaten bauen auch pefekte Maschinen, aber die zehnfache Menge, darum sind deren Produkte am Ende billiger. Eine Bohrmaschine wird man fuer 10 Euros kaufen koennen. In Bayern wird man vom chinesischenTourismus beim Oktoberfest leben, wenn es gut geht.
Thank you for this fantastic video! We appreciate your interest and hope everyone enjoys exploring the world of precision manufacturing with us!
Thank you very much for having us, it was incredible to see first-hand!
Guys jacket is sick btw lol
@@iansandusky417ju😮😮😮😮u
As a hobby machinist, I was blown away by seeing that factory with all of its high precision machinery, and my God, is that place clean, or what!😁👍
Never heard of Spinner before. Fascinating stuff. I'll take one of each plus a 100k sq ft shop to run them in! Seriously, great to see a trade school built into the facility. I was an aimless teenager when I transferred to the local Vo-Tech and failed to get into my first choice, automotive shop. My 2nd choice, machine trades, turned my life around. Found something that I was really good at, That I LOVED, that drove me to learn and progress, and gave me a career. Still LOVE making crap to this day. I hope we can get more teenagers interested in the skilled side of manufacturing, make America a country that produces more high quality goods, and pays the skilled labor what they're worth. In my job as a computer consultant I make several times what I ever made as a moldmaker (the last phase of my manufacturing career) and moldmaking was MUCH MUCH more difficult than what I do now. I worked with some incredibly smart talented people when I was a moldmaker, and saw amazing things done everyday. I wish more young adults could be exposed to it, as I'm sure some would be drawn to it like I was.
The best thing about working like this, spinners making spinners, is the continuous in-house feedback loop of your product. Dogfooding at its best 👌
What a sharp looking jacket.
Right?! Nothing like Oktoberfest season in Bavaria!
he come direkt from the Oktoberfest..
Thats how Bavarians dress like. Called a "Janker"
This is a fine tour! I'm impressed by the spacious and bright factory halls, everything tidy and organized, the apprentice department,
That is one impressive make, that I’m embarrassed to say I hadn’t heard of until now. Mind blowing approach to axis movement and control on vibration and tolerance. I would love to run one.
Go on.
Spinner Machines are amongst the cheapest on the market but with high quality Siemens, Heidenheim or Fanuc controls.
They are robust and pretty accurate - I run three of them.
it should be nice to see a interview with the designers and software programmers
Thank you so much Ian and the Practical Machinist crew for visiting our machine tool factory in Germany 🇩🇪
The door is always open for all SPINNER machine shops, partners, friends, and enthusiasts to visit us as well.
🚀 Big things happening at SPINNER North America 🇺🇸 GREAT machines, and service to support the American Manufacturing Revolution!
#arsenalofdemocracy
SPINNER Werkzeugmaschinenfabrik GmbH
SPINNER automation GmbH
SPINNER Bulgaria Ltd.
#precisionmachining
#germanengineering
#advancedmanufacturing
Very interesting! your trips to the factories are very informative and useful. arrange them more often.
Awesome tour!
Nice to see some Spinner and a FPT in use!
Nice!!! Evaluating your new machines in house by putting them in your own work floor allows for immediate improvements !
im a german industial mechanic and in my lehrwerkstatt i trained cnc on a VC1650 :D
Wo hast du bitte gelernt?
@@ItIsYeGiraffe ABG Lthmathe Gennar straße 2018 bis 2022, also 2018 grundlehrgänge dann 2021 maschienenbau und prüfungsvorbereitung nochmal 2022 und hatte da uch meine praktische abschlussprüfung
@@Geri_crs das sieht echt gut aus.
@@Geri_crs sauber
@@ItIsYeGiraffe, bei Rheinmetall vielleicht, am neuen Panzer gefeilt??
Wow, Great video!
Thank you very much for checking it out!
Germany: Quality > Quantity
getting sh... done properly ...
Dang these can do all kinds of operations
Great video!
The name and logo "SPINNER" is just genius. No further bling needed.
Fun fact the last name of the founder family is Spinner. It has nothing to do with the products.
It has nothing to do with the products. "Spinner" is the german word for the profession of a textile thread maker.
The other meaning of "Spinner" in German is mad lad, though.
good video ian
Always wonder how German companies keep everything clean as you never see on videos someone actually cleaning around 😂
You typically clean your workplace at the end of your shift and whenever you made something dirty. It's just very engraved into German factory professionals that a quality shop is a clean and well-organised shop. You are just better at what you do when you don't have any things lying around to look out for, know exactly where everything is that you need and have all equipment in perfect order all the time.
German workers don't pay the tool, too.
5S
Wow another great machine tool company.
Holy turning
Right? These things go hard
beautiful.
Gorgeous eh!
what came first? the spinner machine or the spinner machine making spinner parts for spinner machines ?
Now that's a very good question!
Probably Emco, Siemens or Haas made first parts for Spinner
@@CerealKiller. almost certainly not. Haas is decades younger than Spinner, Siemens didn't make machines, they just make CN-controls and measuring systems, Emco is from a neighbouring country which had tariffs on trade with Germany at the time.
Spinner's neighbours are (or at this time were ) Deckel and Maho, which are now DMG Mori. They are about 120 km apart and at the time, Deckel was the world's leading machine tool manufacturer. The manufacturer of the lathes in the apprentice workshop isn't too far away either.
@@KarlKarpfen Can't argue with that. I am mediocre at best when it comes to machining.
debatable ... further research needed ...
love cnc 's
Nice! Always thought they build the machines in turkey..
They got plant in Turkey,and also in Bulgaria
Turkey must do a lot of industrial casting for the west. I see them in the u.s. at some multi-national corporations that don't mind outsourcing. People don't want to work is what they say... well stop subsidizing people to be comfortable in their poverty or substance abuse etc
bella azienda!!!!!!
Great tour! What happened to the audio?
Which part?
11:10 was he low key shit talking DMG?
🔥
I finished these machines. Awesome to look outside. Could be better?
Awe mate you shoulda had a chat with their controls engineers too! Often times know more about the machine than the person who designed it. Would be cool to know how they control torque/velocity/position to those incredible precisions. Fancy paperweight without these folks!
For most of these answers, you would need to visit Siemens or Heidenhain, though.
Spinners making spinners
Fun fact. A spinner is in german another word for someone really crazy in his head.😅
Sad part is that we mostly make these maschines but don't use it for anything productive. It's mostly exported.
Spinner needs to incorporate metal sintering.
2:36 “Very well organised!” …LOL . Not like in some US workshops 😂
This video was very informative and interesting. Checkout “ Museum of Our Industrial Heritage “ located in Greenfield,Mass. The earliest machinist tools and machines were made in this area and what a selection of tools and displays.
We were there as well and have a video up on it too! It was an extremely cool place to check out!
Hey there! We toured the place-check it out! ua-cam.com/video/M_MXNKiFnG8/v-deo.htmlsi=lOZ8hlYGjy9bXlZV
More function in less space - less rigidity and utilization of said functions per unit of time. Very unfortunate position on the market where neither mass numbers nor ultimate quality are required. Yet it is exactly what most shops rely on, compromises to get things going and not sitting on multi-billion dollar contracts
its a Really nice and clean company. was Nice to watch, just the Ultra high Precision Microturn is a sad thing here. I work at an Ultra Precision Lathe (Diamond Turning Lathe) and that runs into single digit Nanometers and the Microturn is just in Microns. my Machinist Brain complains here a lot to hear such over Selling of an actuall nice machine
I am working on Spinner Machines. Holy sh!t. The worst Machines i have ever worked with in 15 years as an Operator.
My main machine is a TC 400 (build 2015). When i started working with it (2021) i realized the z axis was worn of an had a tolerance from 0,3 to 0,4mm! Every morning when i start the machine, the door won't open for 15-20 minutes until the machine has warmed up a bit.
For some reason cooling water leaks into the hydraulic system (no, the spindle passage is closed so no water can intrude in there and when shes running for too long it leaks out on the floor too.
The machine wasnt crashed or damaged. All this Problems occure though we only produce 4-8 easy parts a day. No shifts just easy going 8h a day.
I worked on 30 years old machines (Mazak) and they did a better job than this piece of scrap.😂
Sorry to hear you have had issues with your machine. We would like to address this immediately. Where are you located?
Better address the issues and get them fixed instead of spending time talking about it?) All machinery can and will have issues, for different reasons. The brand sells thousands of machines, would not done it if more issues than it's competition-Good luck
@@spinnernorthamerica we are lokated in south germany. But anyway we already fixed the z axis and the Rest will not be repaired. Too expensive. Management is already planning to aquire new machines with (hopefully) higher quality standarts.
to behonest, this the reputation i know of. SPinner is seen as a cheap machine ,mostly for school shops...
The machines i have seen where okaj,they worked,but the finish was really bad in many places,many leakes in Air, scharp corners,but thats not important.
Worse were the realaibitlity issues. either the integration of the Siemens/Haidenhain is fucked up.
Also many ppl working on them just hate them for not holding the Toleranaces.
Dont want to shit talk,but the reuptation of SPinner is more on a level with Haas......entry budget....but i would always take a Mazak,DMG.Hermle;okuma and so on rather then the spinner.But again,they are fucking cheap ..
Their problem is that they are assembling all that in a non competitive environment. The Germans really need to learn to take back Germany from the current regime. Which means lower taxes, less regulations, relaxing national market restrictions. I know all that firsthand because I changed the regime, by moving to another country and the difference between the two systems is stunning while the current country is still able to keep up a good education system, healthcare and excellent business environment (which Germany is not for small businesses).
Which is either switzerland or Austria i assume?
There‘s no regime in Germany. There might be one soon, tho, when we keep whining. Lower taxes means more personal costs, especially for the lower incomes. Taxes are a sensible way of socialising costs. Regulations are essentially a means to protect people‘s rights. What we need is more income equality and better infrastructure. Which would all be easy if our taxes where fair.
@@gurlix I highly disagree, I ran a business in Germany labor intensive (and I worked out the steps myself), it makes you think who's on the other side of the taxes and what do they do for you or the surrounding environment. Germany is good for other types of businesses, however they won't teach you you need to figure that out yourself. Every country has advantages and disadvantages, and not all businesses are suitable for all countries. There is no such thing as fair competition (as they propagate in Germany).
The labor intensive part was the EMS / Electronic manufacturing part; the R&D part was easy to multiply, we now do Software/Electronics and Machining and still do most items inhouse - but in Asia and it's much more relaxed. Public services are on a very high level as well (schools, hospitals... yes we use/d all of them already).
The performance of the German government was poor. Nowadays I live in Asia (in an economical powerhouse), now we work with other companies I'm surrounded by hard working businesses - and it pays off for them they can invest way easier. The government has certain rules but the enforcement is not so strict. So they can focus on the actual work rather than crazy useless bureaucracy.
You might look up the what the term regime means, once you run a business in Germany you will fully agree that there's a certain regime in place in Germany - which mostly doesn't work in favor of the country nor of most people.
Socialism like it's established in Germany is nothing but a scam, even votes are influenced by it. Eg. will junkies ever vote for hard working people or for their suppliers? You can shift votes accordingly by influencing the money stream - and that's heavily practiced in Germany.
No one wants to be accountable for anything in Germany once you look at the other side of the money flow (the tax side). They all hide themselves behind something.
Trying to reach out to them - via those fancy internet websites and actually testing their contactability will show you that no one cares, the citizens are last tier entities within that system.
Humbug
@@luusim Sagen jene welche noch nichts besseres gesehen haben. Absolut verständlich. Eventuell auch mal im Wörterbuch nachschlagen was ein Regime überhaupt ist. Und wie viel Einspruchmöglichkeiten man in Deutschland bezüglich diversen Gesetzen überhaupt hat - nicht erschrecken - es sind nämlich keine.
Get rid of backwards cap---growup
So bloody annoying. Makes people look like a mardy teen.
And don't get me started on those trousers hanging halfway to their knees.
Get rid of the jeans, get some pantaloons like an adult. Grow up
Wow, imagine watching a video, noticing the direction of a hat, and going out of your way to comment on it. Jealousy really does bring out the sharpest observations!
loosing hair isn't the worst part of getting old hahaha
I guess it's quite difficult to work for you.
Maschinen sehen gut aus aber sind leider nicht sonderlich genau.
eine digital gesteuerte Maschine kann gar nicht ungenau sein, ob chinesische, russische oder deutsche Maschine. Darum
kann man gegen chinesische etc. Produkte nicht mehr punkten, was Schnelligkeit und Genaugkeit anbelangt. Sogar Indonesien und Vietnam bauen schon digital gesteuerte Maschinen, ein frueherer technologischer Vorsprung ist zusammengeschrumpft,
auf tausendstel mm, was aber nicht mehr genuegt. Eine chinesische Bohrmaschine ist darum genau so gut wie eine bei BOSCH in Deutschland hergestellte Maschine, weil sie von digitalen Robotern produziert wurde.
Der fruehere Vorsprung von deutschen Produkten kann nicht aufrecht gehalten werden, jetzt kaempfen Roboter gegen Roboter.
Der Mann im bayrischen Lodenjanker wird arbeitslos werden, obwohl er perfekte Maschinen herstellt, die Asiaten bauen auch pefekte Maschinen, aber die zehnfache Menge, darum sind deren Produkte am Ende billiger. Eine Bohrmaschine wird man fuer 10 Euros kaufen koennen.
In Bayern wird man vom chinesischenTourismus beim Oktoberfest leben, wenn es gut geht.
@@hubertkaiser8581so viel Meinung bei so wenig Ahnung, hast du den Text von DeepL in Deutsch übersetzen lassen oder bist du nur ein BOT?