Pressure to procreate: inside Hungary’s baby drive | Europe's Baby Bust
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2021
- Hungary has one of the lowest birthrates in Europe, and prime minister Viktor Orbán is spending significant money trying to convince young people to have babies.
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In the second episode of Europe's Baby Bust, Leah Green and Ekaterina Ochagavia visit Budapest, and meet three women of similar age and with very different outlooks on the country’s drive to procreate. Is there undue pressure or does Orbán's plan merely support future parents?
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Women in Hungary can choose career , but also they can have family and the state helps a lot. My daughter was born few months ago and my wife can choose to stay at home 3 years with the baby or she can choose to go back to work in part time or full time. The companies can't decline women to go back to the same company.
3 years? Wow! That's really amazing
@@omegasage777 yes, men are also allowed to do the same, but I have left this opportunity to my wife :D
@Dark Knight yes, it can be a problem, but when a woman declares that she is pregnant, the company has about half a year to prepare. That's HRs task to solve it.
@Dark Knight Its not complicated, you hire someone on contract to cover the maternity leave.
In Poland we have decreasing birth rate too. Government gives 100 Euros of monthly benefit for every child but number births is the lowest in years. The problem is that employers ask women on interview if they have children, day nurseries and preschools are expensive.
Rich countries: low birth rate because rising babies is too costly
Poor countries: birth control is needed to avoid overpopulation
Not all poor countries, let me introduce Thailand to you.
That's because often in poorer countries there is less access to family planning
@@philoslother4602 Thailand actually isnt a poor country in comparison to african nations and has a quite high birth rate when you compare it to South Korea. In short it is somewhere between in both. I think Moldova is the bigest exeption from this rule.
Ur dying GENETICALLY due to lack of MELANIN!!
@@marcossealey8612 at least we aint killing each other
Yup. In laws want grandbabies but society wants me to have higher education, a career, a house, a dog, health insurance, a safe car and all the pre-baby stuff..If you don’t have the “nest” for a baby, society does not want you to have children in the US anyway. It’s considered personal failure if you don’t have a baby but also failure if you have a baby while being poor. Only rich people are seen to deserve this life. Everyone else pretends while in debt or just does it anyway.
Goddess...........
Society wants you to have a dog?
Society wants you and your children to be consumers so the rich can stay rich
Growing up during the anti-welfare times I always remember people saying “if you can’t afford to have a baby, don’t have a baby. It’s not the governments responsibility to feed, houses, etc your child. Take personal responsibility & stop looking for handouts” as a working poor person I’ve lived my whole life with no government handout & no kids. I always want kids. But Amazon pays no/little taxes.
Men can provide that. You have a culture that encourages women to throw out their husbands when things go south and you expect men to invest themselves in women. The problem with the Western woman is that she has become a godless women who believes in the Govt, wokeism and socialism, rather than a woman who has placed her faith in Divine Providence.
@@sporo2000 the divorce rates in Japan and South Korea are very low and the birth rates are even lower.
That older couple from the big family...you can tell they are still into each other. I want something like that.
Funny i have the opposite feeling
@@martins3885 what does that even mean?
@@martins3885 lol live a lonely life, a meaningless life. That's what everybody strives for
Most people would choose to raise familes if they did not feel so economically precarious and vulnerable in modern society with the constant pressure to work and earn or fall behind. Then people who cannot afford to rear their children get told they should not have had kids they could not afford. Loss of family support due to career pressures taking people away from their traditional support structures. Fix the economics and society will follow.
Also, job security is horrible. While everyone in the EU gets money if they can't work because of covid, in Hungary they didn't give anything to people working on hospitality, tourism, festivals, theaters etc.
My workplace was closed 9 months out of the last 12 (I could find a different job but that is besides the point, there are thousands of people in a situation where their roles disappeared and got no help)
Its more that advanced societies have less children . No matter the governments policy
@@jeroenarendonk4160 most advanced economies are neoliberal nightmare dystopias at this point so economic insecurity still applies. Third world countries have high birth rates to ensure survival and in anticipation of a brighter future. Western countries have reached their zenith and having children for many people means losing some economic comforts and regressing to a less secure position in society. Career pressure means many professional women cannot afford to have children too young as they miss out on career development. This increases generation intervals and often women will forgo children as a result. The prudent choice for personal stability means small families or no children. All my female colleagues now in their thirties had hoped to raise familes but societal fragmentation and career pressures eg internships residencies etc mean they are not in a position to do so. This is not their preference.
@@unicornbuster that’s because Hungary spent all its money on families with kids, no money left to support hospitality during covid :P
@@1dJHorY1 but if they didn't support families we could only get a few new football stadiums lol
At least one European country is working to preserve their demographics.
I am a 36-year old Canadian male, but my mother's family are Hungarian & I grew up with a lot of Hungarian influences. I really miss the Hungarian culture, family friends & intellectual conversations of my youth with the Hungarians I knew. Hungarians are a tight knit & intelligent group of people and have a beautiful culture. Greetings from Canada!
So why not move back to Hungary?
@@alwayslearning7672 probably doesn't know the language or completely understands the culture
it is a beautiful country and culture that is now ruined by Orban and his lackeys.
@@alwayslearning7672 Probably because it would be a financial suicide.
Aww thats so refreshing and lovely to hear ❤ kinda funny how (as a Hungarian) my biggest dream is to move to Canada one day🙏
This is more an economic issue, not a choice. People cannot afford the cost to give birth let alone stop working or have paid child care.
Partly economic... however it's more of a cultural thing: modern societies are more individualistic and we want to be more comfortable. However this won't be sustainable for ever... without children there is no future. And we cannot replace ourselves with other people's children.
@@hungarianspectator6847 robots
@@mikuforlife1929 Aha, you say we will be replaced by robots. Then who will buy the products?
There is plenty of unimployed people in overpopulated countries waiting to come to Europe. So, where is the problem?
@@Ally2018. Well, not everything is an economical issue.
Not everyone has the mental or physical state to raise children.
And no person should have the right to get 4-8 children like some places.
Well said Ianna. I totally agree
and as for Hungary many people actually can't afford to have children. If you are a woman and have a job interview one of the first three questions is 'do you have children, do you want/planned to have children' - although it's illegal. If you have a job and have a baby and you are on maternity leave you have to be very lucky not to get fired when you want to go back to work. And women living in small towns or villages can't even dream about having back their job after their maternity leave because there are scarcely have any nursery/daycare opportunity. Sounds great being tax free after the third kid but most of the hungarian families don't earn so much to get it.
Not everyone has the desire to have children, either.
@@dergluckliche4973 Shut up ffs
They need to make their own babies, not just let foreigners move in.
Their culture needs to pass down. Bravo.
Children? Family? Nah I rather die alone after working 40 years for some company that sees me as a replaceable cog, that this true meaning of life.
You can start your own business if you don’t want to be seen as a replaceable part. The choice is in your hands.
You know you're gonna work either way right?
@@eikukaan377 Welfare system may support you in many countries.
😂😂😂😅 true
There is no meaning of life.
The child free couple looked miserable, while the couples with kids looked happy.
Notice how both the child free woman and the woman with 3 kids are both perfectly happy with their decisions. However, somehow, it socially acceptable to criticize and mentally torture the woman who chose to be child free. This isn’t a Hungarian thing either. Same thing happens in the US, but to a lesser extent.
I'm also quite surprised by the claim of the 2nd woman at 0:30, I'm pretty sure that she is lying.
Ohhh booohooo society is evil and unfair.
Welcome to reality.This is the way the species guilt trips others into having children in order to continue the genetic line.
@@MrDude826 in order to perpetuate endless cycle of suffering, you mean? "Genetic line" is a buzzword, all life on Earth is related, so we are all part of the same huge genetic lineage
@@SweetSmoke21 I swear she isn't. I'm part of a CF community and we get told daily that we are abnormal and not real women, and we should die
@@slendercrescents ..in which county, please?
If you have to pay people to have children or even get married ,there is a possibility that this decision to remain childless and single have an economic factor .
Increase jobs ,encourage women in the work force ,promote paternal leave ,childcare at offices .Having babies that have no future to look forward to in the country is not the answer.
The only thing stopping me from having children is money. We already have parental leave and women in the work force. But I don't think parental leave is enough.
More women in the workforce isn't helping. That's one of the factors making it harder to sustain your lifestyle while getting children. If you want higher birthrates you need to make it affordable to have children, by paying higher wages so people aren'T so dependent on two full-time salaries.
@@jsplit9716 Poor countries have more fertility than rich countries.
I wouldn't have kids even if they paid me. Because eventually she'll leave me and take the kids and the money too. It's just not worth it.
@@150qwertyu Theyre also way more likely to die in childbirth, more likely to starve, have more preventable diseases. Etc.
Sadly,having children has become an economic question for most.
It's too expensive!
If they can get rid of this problem I think people would have more children.
IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FAMILY POLICIESARE TRYING TO SOLVE. Did you not even watch the video?
@@Tovalokodonc So what's stopping you from doing your part? We can all guess...
@@FirstLast-me3nz That i'm not in adulthood yet. Whatever your sick mind planned, idc
@@Tovalokodonc "I'm not in adulthood yet."
We can tell which makes the drivel you've flooded the comments with all the more ridiculous yet entertaining. Let's hope no one, besides yourself, holds their breath waiting for you to get there, miss thang.
@@Tovalokodonc family policies are not everywhere and still you need to borrow money and get in debt. They should allow us to as woman stay at home not for us to have to work next to our husband to pay the bills and give us start amount of money so we can get the supplies we need. Decent brand of diapers cost atleast 20€ for two days and baby formule for women who dont have enough breastmilk is also 20€ a week. I’m6 months pregnant with my first child and its very expensive, even having hospital delivery if you are medically okay cost 400€ this stops people from having children. Yes you could buy things used but its disgusting to buy used baby supplies
The husband and wife at the end of the video that has been married for forty years are truly admirable. I wish to have that one day.
Exactly. People should stop making huge decisions on little issues. The divirove rates across globe are so bad. People spend so much cash on it and then they divorce each other.
Horrific
Me too
@@brucass93 ?
You may enjoy watching on youtube the Carol Burnett - "Old Folks, the Anniversary"!
It's expensive to raise a child. Politicians should wake up!
Yes, expensive. That's why the Hungarian government supports the future parents by a lot.
@@adamus1342 l
Did you watch the video? The Politicians have a system to help those who want families.
50 years later... Their is no white left in Europe.... Remaining people"s are migrated to USA... 😄😄😄😄
@@xavierzacheriah6038 USA? xD 50 years later there won't be USA. We stay here in Central Europe, we won't let migrants in.
There is no pressure...if someone doesn't want kids...more like being encouraged by getting lots of discounts when have 3.
Literally
I wish I was not right---But there are LOT of PRESSURES. /And those make life worth living, working, struggling/
There IS a pressure. Even random strangers are breathing down on people's necks. If you are in a relationship, people are pushing marriage. If you're married, people are pushing having a baby. If you have one, they are pushing "making a sibling". You can't go to family gatherings without these comments or your mother complaining that you are not giving her grandbabies...
@@slendercrescents guess it depends on your environment. If you're not a push over and make it clear to anyone who brings, it up, that you don't want kids. And that's that, don't ask me again about it.
@@morphkogan8627 I'm 28 and I still get told that I'm too young to know whether I want kids or not, even though I've stated a hundred times that I'm CF.
I married at 33. I have six children. I would not suggest it. It is draining, tiring, and hard work. I did what I did, I love my children, but it's not fair to ask women to have big families.
Do you think four would of been easier ?
Notice the kids screaming and running around while the crew is filming? That's the exact reason there are child free hotels, there's nothing evil about it. I think many parents also appreciate the opportunity to enjoy some peace and romantic time together... Is it really a vacation when you're dealing with kids all day?
You're literally advocating for a vulnerable group of people to be kept out of places. That's ageist and I wouldn't be shocked if you were ableist as well.
@@user-qo7vq6yx8q nope, I'm literally advocating for people actually enjoying their trips 😂
@@slendercrescents imagine a hotel that said "no Dominicans" like me, or a hotel that said "no black people" because some people cant enjoy their holiday with African people around .... you would rightly be against that I hope. But no kids sign is acceptable to you.
@@rafaelmolini4164 I think the two things are not even remotely comparable.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣
Growing up in the USA I experienced tons of pressure to have children. The comment that annoyed me the most was "you will never experience real love if you do not have children." Bull. While I don't disagree that the loving bond between a mother & her child is special & profoundly unique I do not believe that type of love is the ONLY love or even the best love that can be experienced. In my long life I have experienced lots of loving relationships & have never lacked for love. Romantic love, familial love with parents, siblings, nieces & nephews, friendship love, etc. Bottom line is we should respect the choices that people make.
Okay, and are you posting that comment AFTER having children, or are you posting that comment even though you never had children? Because if its the latter, you have no way of knowing.
None of those relationships you mentioned can quite compare with the love between a parent and child, but that's okay. Don't feel attacked by that fact, but also don't deny it.
Can we talk about how providing for oneself/ a family and caring for children is such a huge psychological challenge and commitment and no doubt it's admirable if people manage this kind of situation. However currently I believe I would end up with some sort of Burnout and no one would be helped by that, especially not a child.
This is why family/society support and maternity/paternity leave would be so helpful. Too much “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” mentality and elder generations wonder why younger just can’t even deal with the reality of having a baby. Too much stress.
@@goddessreverierosehawthorn3724 You are spot on! If countries want their own people to continue to populate the land, we need to go back to basics. Families need more support. In the old times a couple had plenty of Aunts, cousins, neighbors, grandparents helping out. Our culture, sadly is not "community oriented" anymore. This is why many couples choose only a couple of babies or none at all. It is stressful to manage a large broad on your own.
I think your point is massively overlooked. I'm a parent. It takes a huge emotional, psychological and economical toll on your life. I love my children but I can I understand why people chose not to have children. There are not enough supports.
You're completely right. And to put it maybe a little too theoretically, but I think people having to have children should never be politiced because this process becomes so cynical so fast... but people being able to have children should be, absolutely.
@@ds.m.1731 Japan and South Korea are plenty community oriented cultures. They have fewer babies than Europeans.
I have 2 kids--they are a lot of work and money
is life about staying on your bed, and dieing with a bank full of cash?
@@SorinBecciu No it is not. But it is in travelling the world, learning, socialising with other people with the same interests, being creative and many many other things. You can not do that with children who need stability unless you are a billioner.
@@SorinBecciu shut up troll
@@Ally2018. Bot, I have seem your comments in other replies basically shaming people from having children or speaking about population replacement.
Hello
Last month I spoke to a Hungarian girl who works for our company and she told us that in Hungary a woman can have up 3 years of maternity leave, for each child. However, you can be demoted while you are away, so your career is toast. Then we asked about the fathers, they get almost no paternity leave, don’t have to take any. It’s incredibly imbalanced and as a result Hungarian women have to choose, career or children
As a Hungarian women i am telling you that this is not true. Do some research and you will see.
It is true. I was told as a young surgeon: no matter how great and talented you are, you are a woman and will have children. A lot of times they don’t let you go back to the OR, even if you take barely any leave. It depends on what your job is.
Same here in Czechia. There Is 6 months paid maternity And then up to 4 years paid "parental leave". Even thouth the "parental leave" can be taken by fathers as well, it's almost Always the mother. And u can See in the pay gab, in the procentage of women in leadership positions, etc. It's horribly unfair.
GO RSI: Ha ha, EXECTLLY same stuff Is Said to sergeons here too. A lot of professions don't want to hire young women for this exect Reason. So there Is pressure from gvm And society to have kids, but then they ar not willing to provide conditions for it.
I’d give anything for 3 years of maternity leave. I got 12 weeks (only partially paid) here in the US. I cried every day when I had to go back. My little girl didn’t want to eat for days when I was gone for 10 hours a day. She eventually started eating, and I got used to working...but it’s just not natural imo. I had to work bc my husband got laid off and I didn’t have a choice but to support us.
We have a French family member who recently moved to Hungary to attend veterinary college, He DOESNT want to move back to France. He feels as a young man he has better prospects in Hungary than he would in his home country of France. The tax burden for working French people is big and for a young person it can be daunting to work 2 jobs just to make ends meet.
It's interesting. I graguated last year from the hungarian veterinary medical university, and in my opinion it has an incredibly low quality of education. Also the wages for vets are quite low. I don't think i could raise a family of my pay even if i wanted to
I wonder how bad the taxes must be for you if you find the Hungarian 35% tax not too much of a burden...
@@amynopirimidin what specifically made it a poor quality of education?
Just make sure he voted for Fidez.
Not everyone is supposed to be a parent!
If you think to the second couple, they have got a false narrative.
Not everyone wants or needs to be one, either.
That's why who wants to be a parent then they have to multiply more.
@Slavic Melodies it's called natural selection, the weak doesn't/can't reproduce
I think that most younger generations don't want to have kids as they've seen how broken the world and the systems made by the earlier generation that came to be. They don't want to bring kids in such a world.
Which is ludicrous as the only ones who can make it better are future generations. People are simply demoralised by a lack of purpose and struggling to make ends meet. All this is perfectly understandable and of course people are free to choose to not have kids however they will ultimately in their old age be supported by the children of their peers. By not having children you are essentially not contributing to your own future upkeep as society will have to care for you and people are living ever longer with higher expectations of living conditions.
So I agree people have a choice but ultimately someone has to provide for the elderly and society and having a smaller future generation leads to disaster for everyone. It also doesn't need to be a growth but at sustainability.
@@nutyyyy So let's bring people into the world who will have to pay for the consequences of the irresponsible actions of the previous generation.
And you guys call childree lifestyles selfish? Hmmm
@@nutyyyy Its called poverty circle, not future generation make it better. No one has the time to think about better future for the country if they struggle just to floating everyday.
@@nutyyyy There have been many generations already, so if we don't have a healthy society now, we most likely never will. We shouldn't be having babies to fix the world's problems, the problems should be fixed BEFORE having the kids. They should be able to enjoy life and not have to "earn" their living.
@@liltinglullaby3282 so lets not have kids and die out to end everyones suffering. Nah it's just your gene code that will die out. lol
Come on, childfree couples are not sinners
Shut up.
I dont understand. Of course its not a sin. What are you talking about davis?
It is if your country depends on it
@davis lau Really not, but the abuse of the childfree couple arrived via internet, probably on fb; there are childfree groups worldwide and I assume that some mocking shares and the style could lead such bad unacceptable end. I wonder why the reporter didn't ask about it nothing to make it clear?
Exactly old world BS needs to die.
Better idea: How about taking care of the kids already here? There's always adoption.
I suppose you're somewhat right. It's the government's fault that the process takes too long.
Kids for adoption don't fall from the sky.
Not taking care of another guys seed. I’ll have my own.
Population is declining and the issue maybe a bigger crisis than climate change.
@@rick_santana little r little s, how apt.
I love the unjudgemental, inquisitive approach the journalist has taken towards the people with different view points!
I think family is important and individual choice is just as important! No one should be demonised for deciding to have kids or not to have kids.
I think is more necessary to shame people for not having children because our civilization depends on it
No, but a lot of young peopel are making the choice to not have kids without thinking it through.
@perseus274 well what's in the western world .
Look at the west a mess not having children but letting in thousands of migrant men an army that is something you should worry about WEST
If the government desires children so much they should prove it. Lower housing, increase income, lower taxes, provide childcare options, make health care free, support female health in the work force.
Not possible in a poor country as Hungary but possible in Western Europe.instead they choose to import immigrants
Did you even watch the video?.. In hungary, health care is “free”, you are provided with a housing voucher, loans, maternity leave, tax cuts for each child and if you sign up to have a certain amount of children you never pay tax again. Ect. Look it up and actually listen before you make such comments
Government does not and should not have the power to control housing price. It is determined by the free market. More welfare comes at the expense of tax payers’ money. Nothing is free.
@@Arginne I stand corrected, thank you for the information.
@@alexanderli3997 I guess you think healthcare should be provided by the free market. Yay for $2,000 per month for insulin in the US, whereas in Europe it's free or very cheap because it's essential to life. Housing is also essential.
Watching this from India 👀 Man it's so rough out in the West, I have 4 uncles, 1 aunt,19 cousins & that's just my father's side of the family
It will change. The baby bust is global. As an economy picks up and women go off to work, they stop having babies. It's not just the west. It's every continent except Africa, at this point. Japan is the leader in this. I'm looking at a population histogram of India. Yeah, it's already started there.
I'm from New Zealand and I have 2 uncles, 2 aunties and 18 cousins and that's just my mums side. But they ALL work full time, the women too. Things have gotten so expensive in New Zealand that I am reconsidering having children. Houses in my city are NZD$1.4 million NZD for example. I'm a teacher and my salary is $50 thousand NZD for reference.
@@FreedomTalkMedia wow so true.
its the cost of housing is one of the big differences between ppl now..and 40 year ago...it´s more expensive as our mortgages are way bigger than in the 60s or 70s ..or am i wrong?? also our parents didnt expect so much, didnt expect to travel or go to expensive restaurants...were more materialistic than 40 years ago
You mean women now expect to travel and go to expensive restaurants, men are perfectly ok without those things, women just wanna party and travel without any responsibility in life.
@@kowalski4130 having a kid is what couples do..
Exactly
@@kowalski4130 sooooo women should be ok going without the things/experiences they want to have just to have children to please the state? Women are just breeders?
@@missyouhoowe're talking about couples
Men and women are busy working full-time in Europe and do not have enough time/ energy to bring up children. Divorce rates are also high creating instability.
The whole society is declining.
If procreating is such a 'blessing', why are they paying people to do it? lol
if someone didn't procreate you wouldn't be alive
@@ufdas-wu1cr so? lol
@@lucila5466 Because of capitalism raising a child has become expensive. These policies are the motivation to start a family to a lot of people.
@@Tovalokodonc Children were historically mostly produced for two reasons: heirs for the rulling classes and free labour for everyone else. There's nothing romantic about it. Today children in developed countries are no longer an asset but a liability hence less incentives to procreative.
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 Well i think your viewpoint is faulty. If a liability why is it encouraged with programs by the government?
If I recall properly, Australia has done it also. After few years they withdrawn the support for the families. I believe that when the government will be satisfied with the number of new children, they will do the same.
Exactly. Once we stop the decrease of the population they will withdrawn the support for the families
@@Medvelelet the, countrys population wont raise. Its declining every second.
@@Angelaius Yes. Thats why we need to do something against it.
*You didn't have to read my mind like this.*
Absolutely
I hope you've made an episode about Bulgaria. It's the worst situation in Europe.
So are they also just not having children.
@@Toastcat890 it's the case for most of the 1st and 2nd world nowadays
I would argue with that. You guys are head to head with moldova. Unfortunately
Viktor should fix Hungary's Healthcare System.
Kids, Women, and Men need Healthcare to Survive.
The problem in Hungary is that people started to have 3 children just because of the free, discounted loan. They in their heart don't want 3 children they just do it for the money and with this money they can step on property ladder. Nice future is ahead of depressed families, unloved children & alcoholism - as we always has this issue anyway. You must mention that these people had to sign a 3 kids in 10 years contact with the government. Also if their marriage brakes they can't get divorced for the rest of their life because they will loose the discount & loan.
Fertility rate in Hungary has increased from 1.23 per woman in 2011 to 1.55 in 2020. So Orban policies are having an effect slowing down and reversing population decline in Hungary. The child-free movement is pushed by Westnerners on Eastern Europe (where population is declining), but for some reason its not pushed in Africa (where some countries have fertility rate of 7+ !)
@Qui-Gon Jinn it slowly goes up
@Qui-Gon Jinn Brand new policies were introduced in 2019. Soon we'll have the statistics.
@Qui-Gon Jinn one third is done it seems
There is no childfree "movement". Rather, more people are discovering that being childfree is a valid option for life. Childfree Africans are trying to fight again stigma, but economic and urbanisation factors definitely have delayed reductions in African birth rates.
They are not slowing down population decline still, deaths are still higher than births and young people are still leaving the country
Not an Orban supporter, but I'm all for supporting families.
Developed countries: declining population.
Developing countries: babies go brrrr
But Hungary's population isnt raising. Thats point of the whole. Their breeding program isnt working out how they wanted.
@@Angelaius You are totally wrong. Fertility rate in Hungary has increased from 1.23 per woman in 2011 to 1.55 in 2020. Orbans policies are having an effect slowing down and reversing population decline in Hungary. Many East/South European countries are looking to replicate this model from him.
@@jonizymberi6787 That's a huge acheivement indeed.
@@Angelaius it actuallly has increased. Because before it was horrible
Israel at least no because in Israel the birth rate is the highest in the history of the country (3.6)
There is not enough money in the world to get me to be a parent.
Well. That's a shame
@@Tovalokodonc I don't see how.
@@dergluckliche4973 And i don't see why you would never want to be a parent.
@@Tovalokodonc I don't want to ride a motorcycle or live in Madagascar or learn Vietnamese either. Different strokes for different folks.
@@dergluckliche4973 Everything has a reason.
I'm from America so my view point on this topic might differ. But I find the opposite to be true. If we are feeling pressured, it's coming from one direction and that's from elder family members, but other than that I feel women of my generation are actually being pressured by society not to have children.
Being a housewife is a sin or crime in western world
@mymeeel Yes being able to help build up one's country is INDEED empowerment.
Agree. That has been my experience.
I think it's natural from the government that they want to support families. In Hungary you really get all supports you need. Not just money but free education and you can also stay at home with your newborn for three(!!!) years (also as a grandparent or father).
My problem with these birth rate-increasing programs is how deeply rooted they are in misogyny and sexism. I hope they know they can increase the birth rate by providing better childcare, longer paternity leave, making it easier to join the workforce after pregnancy or easily juggle work and motherhood, and create a better environment to raise kids.
Sweden have all that and their native population is still declining, you're barking at the wrong tree.
@@marjanp Countries like Sweden and France have adopted such measures and they're still doing better than countries like Hungary in be it matter of fertility, pop growth or economy.
@@felixhaokip Or it might be that these same nations brought in a bunch of third-worlders damaging their countries in the process. You must lack critical thinking that you don't see behind these statistics.
@@Tovalokodonc or it might be that these same nations brought in a "bunch of third-worlders" to help their economy and in turn changing the lives of these people. Remove your xenophobic and racist lens and stop thinking so high of yourselves.
@@felixhaokip they have not helped the economy in anyway . There are more of a burden if anything.
If you grew up in a big happy family, I think it's pretty likely that you'll want a big happy family of your own. Not that it means that you will, certainly things like economic pressure and finding the right partner might prevent this.
Personally, I come from a happy 2-kid family, but with piles of cousins. So fun! My parents each had 5+ siblings, and each sibling had 2-3 kids. I saw how horrible it was for one cousin when her only sibling died as a teen, so I wanted a minimum of 3 kids. My husband comes from a happy family with too many children (8) and wanted fewer but not none. We agreed on 3-5. Ended up with 3. I'm happy. Children are a blessing. My sister has no children, she's blessed in other ways. There's no need to be against each other, I don't understand why it tends to be like that in the media.
I'm an only child, but I'm gonna copy my mexican brethren and have a family of 4
I love hungaria...im from 🇱🇰 sri lanka...❤❤❤
Well, they are forgetting the automation is coming and 50%jobs will disappear.
I agree, but that's another problem. Some jobs will disappear, but will create other, more innovative jobs.
You missed the main point. If a country wants to continue to exist, It needs a robust population. Look at every example in history, as the population declines the country is either taken over by foreigners or ceases to exist. Do a simple google history search on this.
@Marek Tužák you do realize that is what they say everytime a industrial revolution occurs? No we won't
@Marek Tužák you clearly have not learned anything from history
@Marek Tužák mass unemployment is recipe for revolution. That will not happen.
*Women need to be supported....not goaded. Even with the financial incentives it's still not enough, and no one should be getting shamed*
Be sure that nobody is shamed, neither by the ordinary people nor by the gov. They send positive message for those who want to raise up family, that's all.
I don't know, how somebody may feel offended by that.
Another issue the unacceptable message online, but this is not general. There's difference between real life, real people and online things.
@@SweetSmoke21 he literally said that's a women's full potential and it's not a women living her life the way she wants and being happy is.
@@cloudyheart5148 That was in a FB group and we all know that people overthere often speak unacceptable way.
Love Hungary! Stay true to who you ARE.
We do.@perseus274
Why did the Guardian fire Nathan Robinson for being critical of US aid to Israel?
Silence you fool
Hungarian Government gives monetary support to increase population, they back up their policy with financial incentives.
Hungary is one of the poorest EU members...
@@leme5639 Compared to Germany, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, yes relatively poor BUT declining population is not going to make Hungary richer and they're not very "immigrant" friendly either, so financial incentives for more Hungarian Babies is only solution.
@@leme5639 definitely not. 22, measuring the GDP out of 47 European countries. Yet they can afford free child care, and support for families, while the UK has bigger economy -offer none of these
@@leme5639 This is not true !!
@@jcreed09 That's right!
I agree with the tax break. One of my cousins in Hungary has 3 children (her husband has one more from a previous marriage). They do get preferred treatment, though all of their children are thankfully healthy. I work in special education in America and know how difficult it is with one special needs child, never mind three.
7:37
"We want our daughters to see giving us grandchildren as reaching the very best of their potential"
yes the best of their potential is being a mindless incubator to serve you
would you rather be like China where they have found there birth rate has been so low for so long now they found in 20 years they will not have enough people to run their factories?
does not sound so smart does it? finding the balance between death rate and birth rate is the key hear.
@@jaimes350 You do realize that the reason why China had low birth rates is because of their one-child policy right? They have been trying to bring it up but they still need to recover from that, a problem that USA does not have. They lowered their birth rate forcefully and now they are suffering from the consequences. They should not have had such a low birth rate because they are still a developing country as well. Another factor is that many families in China, in response to the one-child policy, killed their daughters because of a preference for boys (more economic opportunity and they wanted sons to carry on family name), and the effects of that is that now, men far outnumber women. That's also why there's so much human trafficking there, it's because finding a wife is so difficult as a poorer man. There will only be as many families as there are women, so that's also why China is facing problems. The consequences of their actions aren't applicable to the USA, in other words.
@@sophial7261 and why are you mentioning the usa? This video is about hungery not the USA. In the USA planned parenthood slaughters half a million black babies every year, it is an atrocity
@@jaimes350 oops forgot, dealing w/ comments on two videos. still hungary aint china
@@jaimes350 and we're not talking about planned parenthood so ?
Okay, even people with better conditions, like myself, have opted out of having children. Sometimes, it is not about poverty, but because of the increasing complexity of modern life. Modern life is prone to being hard as steel: tradition, beauty is vanishing from this world. Maybe, just maybe, it is not even worth it bringing a soul in.
😂😂 don't take it in a wrong way but ppl like can still change this by bringing in your children and reinventing the way you guys live your lives...strength in numbers remember....and as your population decline so does your culture traditions and your very way of life....so be warned of the consequences !!!! Every choice has its consequences.. then eventually you too would have to bring in migrants from different religions and cultures into your country to sustain your country which will as you would have already seen in your neighbouring countries leads to Chaos !!!
I don't want to be provocative but don't you think there is tradition and beauty in raising children? "Be the change you want to see in the world."
It's not freedom necessarily. Women won't have children if they are insecure or mistreated in life.
The countries with the moat mistreatment of woman have one of the highest fertility rates, so i dont think is true
@@jeroenarendonk4160 It could be the countries with highest fertilty rate don't mistreat their women. Food for thought.
@@jeroenarendonk4160 coercion is something that plays a role.
Hungary is doing the right thing and saving its own people and culture.
“We want our daughters to see that giving us grandchildren is reaching the very best of their potential” The audacity. Every woman should choose whether she wants and is able to carry a child and be a parent to it or not.
Dont try and make this a woman problem both genders SHOULD and as a RESPONSIBILITY do their part in any country to start a family and give their people a future. People like you are the reason that native europeans are slowly becoming a minority in their own country
@@et3447 so we are baby machine to the country? we cannot choose how we like to live, with or without baby?
@@saihhak your parents gave birth to you didn't they? don't see what's wrong with giving back to society. If everyone had the same mentality of not having kids wed all die out. it's pretty selfish
Pretty flawed logic considering nobody signed up to be born and somehow owing the society.
Yes, governments gain more taxes and the country as a whole might get richer the more people are in it, but there are plenty of smaller nations that prosper so the problem isn't necessarily declining population (it's actually the opposite when you look at the whole world). There are other ways for a country to become richer, and other ways than birth to make population grow in a country.
Yes, in modern times it's controversial to say that it's women's responsibility to have children and keep the human race alive. They ask you, what interest is to you the survival of the human race?
So, perpetuation of slavery...got it!
"A married couple can receive LOAN..." still going to be indebted...choose your form of slavery - to the corporates or to the government.
Glad im not the only one that caught that. Its just one more way young people get settled with debt. First it's school loans then this. This is what we get when we elect boomers for politicians
@@andretarvok7122 I can understand where the politicians of these countries are coming from, but it is clearly not a solution.
In the populated parts of the world the traditions/religions impose heavier burden as well. The cycle of poverty continues for generations.
Imaginary solutions don't work for real world problems.
You guys are delusional
@@Tovalokodonc No one cares! Keep moving!
@@pseudorealityisreal Do you even know what the family policies are. It's not just a loan.
Why are always the women the one they are focusing on? What about the men? It takes two to make a baby.
I think it's pretty self-explanetory? They're not the ones bearing a fetus for 9 months then spending most of their time for 3-4 years raising that kid.
@@Tovalokodonc
But they still help create the child
@SANSKAR GUPTA gs0801cs181071 How do they see it where you are from then?
@SANSKAR GUPTA gs0801cs181071 People dont get married with the intent to divorce tho. So you cannot plan to not have childeren.
@SANSKAR GUPTA gs0801cs181071 btw. Which country?
One issue with this policy that was not covered here is how these financial incentives to start families affect the market. Right now, couples that declare that they want to start a family in the near future have an enormous advantage on the real estate market compared to couples that don't, because of these new tax cuts and government loans. The natural reaction of the market is that prices start to go up, to the point where child free couples or individuals that are currently in the same financial situation as those who plan to have children are now being pushed out because they can't access these loans and tax cuts that the market already adjusted to.
I mean, in the eyes of the government, people with children have created tax payers, people who haven't have decreased the amount of tax payers and therefore the economy. Therefore people with children are more valuable. I am not saying this is the right thing to do, but the government goes with the money, not with the heart.
@@odiousfox355 Interesting, the US gov has said exactly the opposite about babies being future tax payers and said they'll be future free loaders. Maybe that's why it costs more in the USA than anywhere else in the world to give birth?
@@odiousfox355 makes sense. tax policy is a tool used by governments for shaping desired economic outcomes.
Another incentive to have children. 😂
+Dobai Andras That the point actually... the state is interested in rising the demographics, not respecting peoples individual choices. Those who will participate get benefits, and those who now refuse to get part, will either be forced out of necessity to, or will be encouraged to do so by the fact that now having children offers an economic advantage over not having children - which is totally the opposite now.
Why does the journalist keep referring to 3 kids as a "big family"? It is considered moderate, not big.
It is a big family for european standards. In my town I know a lot of people, but only 1 family with more than 2 kids. It is usually 1 or two. Or none.
I don't know where you live but 3 kids is a big family in Europe. In Poland we have a 'big family card' that gives you access to discounts on some products and services (mainly public) and you get approved for it when you have 3 or more kids.
@@Ally2018. Seriously? That's so interesting, where I live in America most families have at least 2-3 kids and to have more is not uncommon. I know there are other parts of the USA where it's becoming less common because of the cost, but in other places we still got a lot of babies!
@@Ally2018. In the UK its rare for someone to only have 1 child most have 2 or 3
You need 3 as a minimum for replacement levels. How it could be considered big is beyond me.
Well I am a man in my 40-s and and live in a Rural area. I do not have childrend and I think I never will have one. All the people I know know this about me, BUT Noone told me to DIE or get Married or something like that. And I also do not konw anybody who have such experieence. Mind you this countryside is considered quiet conservative.
Because you are a man...the Hungarian society accepts bachelors, but if you are not married/have kids from your late 20s as a woman, prepare for the nasty comments...
@@papppnori Are you really mad that women with 3 or more kids get financial help? How can anybody be against that.. Especially you feminists 😂 Its very funny to me it's like satire.. Are you really thinking about it clearly?
@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 where did she say she is mad about that?
@@jadabaker1639 It's something he filtered out and not directly said.
@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 she litteraly just complained about nasty comments women receive about their life situation.
Hungarians need to have more kids
The fertility rate rose from 1.2 to 1.5 in just 10 years
Women are scare of divorce and to start all over again that's one of the most pressing issue and no body is discussing about it.
Helytelen a félelem. Egy generàcioval ezelött még megérthetö-Ma nem. Sok anya egyedül nevel sikeresen-nem egy-de több gyereket is. A férfiakra màr nincs szükségük-ami nekem is fura mert férfi vagyok /legalàbbis a legutobbi tussolàsnàl észleltek alapjàn/. Az objektivebb szakembrok azt tartjàk hogy a mai nöknek csak màsfél dologra kell férfi.1.Hàt igen-triviàlis, vibro helyett. 2. 1/2 szükség: Néha besegiteni. ...De pénz, védelem és ilyesmi màr nem modi. Kàr!👩👧👦
It is men who are scared of divorce
@@Berder88 exactly.
@@Berder88
The average body count of a western women aged 18-26 is between 4-20
85% of divorces are initiated by women in USA 🇺🇸 and 78% in UK 🇬🇧
55-60% of cheating’s are made by by women
40% of women who have had a abortion have had 2 previous abortions
Want me to continue with stats that proves women in the west are un-marriageable not wife material but are side chick’s
I am not afraid of divorce it’s just that I wouldn’t marry in a country with high divorce rate which excludes every country in Western Europe, us, all countries where feminism and lgbtq is present
it’s a suicidal considering how expensive it is in Western Europe and US
The model 'man works, woman raises a child' is considered outdated, but it made sense: halve the workforce, double the salaries. Now you have 2 people struggling twice as hard to bring in enough to support their families, and it leads to economic and phychological burnout.
Not to mention, the added cost of child care while both parents work. It is logistically difficult for parents these days. Especially if you live without extended family for support.
Ah. So your solution is just not to have any kids? Man, you're a genius.
@@Tovalokodonc But nobody said that. We are acknowledging the difficult situation people face.
@@Tovalokodonc Quite the contrary. Children bring happiness, we just need a better system to support the parents economically...which we used to have, actually.
@@shontoo6979 The delicious irony is @Stuka admits in other comments she does not have kids herself.
I am Russian, spent a year studying in Budapest, I was surprised how similar our countries are. And then I see this video, wow, it is literally a “copy-paste” Russian government ideology towards marriage/babies etc 🤨
Viktor Orbán: Can I copy your homework?
Vladimir Putin: Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied
Viktor Orbán: OK
@@slendercrescents Viktor Orban: even the corruption?
Vladimir Putin: yeah sure
Traditional values are similar not only with Russia but Nepal, Peru, Argentina, Vietnam, Ireland, Mexico...
Szép napot mindenkinek! ❤️
This video completely ignores crucial topics like the government discriminating people who CANNOT have kids or making it impossible for couples who are not married to adopt. If you have lived in Hungary, you would know that unless you are rich, the support that the goverment provides does not make the whole situation much easier. The tax break that they give is about 90 EUR a month per kid. Imagine how much this would cover of the monthly expenses you would have. The loan they are talking about is 90.000 GBP for three kids - yes, it's better than nothing but 90.000 GBP for 3 kids is ultimately not that much AND it is a LOAN nonetheless, it is not money that you get for free. No one mentioned that you can only get this loan if you are a married couple and that if you get divorced, you have to pay it back all at one.
The last family they showed is not representative of Hungary not because they are a traditional family and have a lot of kids but because they are much richer than the average Hungarian family. I love rich people telling you that people do not have kids because they are liberals - yeah, because financial stability and mental health do not matter at all. Stop blaming non-conservative and LGBTQ+ people for this situation.
"When we get together we are powerful". Powerful in what way exactly?.
Ppl ask me if i want kids, i say yes, they say ‘amazing! Do you have a boyfriend/husband’ i say, no im a lesbian, and they go ‘oh nevermind you shouldn’t have kids’ :/
Yeah....
They are right.
A child needs a father.
It depends. If you get a child from foster care, then you can give him a family. But if you give birth to your own child, then you rob the child from a father.
@@izes_palacsinta
Nope.
Even an adopted kid needs a dad.
@@bipolatelly9806 as long as parents love and support their kid, it doesn’t matter their gender
They ARE right. Biology exists, nature exists . Get educated bfor identified. Saying "gender doesn't matter" is the same as saying ' brain doesn't matter ' .
Interesting how many of the interviewees are proficient in English.
a) this was Budapest b) many were not proficient in English
This might be requirement. They were not selected randomly.
when you call that proficient, you do not know what profiency means
@@balazszentai3364 Journalism is never 'random' - if you want to complain, then say the people were not representative of Hungary.
Not many Hungarian would be heard in the "West"...
The president is offering either £90000 or £57000 loan. So does the loan need to be paid back? What's the interest rate on the loan? What are the terms and conditions of the loan?
Yes, despite that people are arguing that how this loan program is attacking child free folks.
@@Atiq_s If they feel attacked it is their problem. As it was told, the pair get one or some unacceptable message ONLINE. There are crazy people everywhere.
By the side of the gov, they send only positive messages.
The loan is for getting place to live and don't have to pay back in case if a family have 3 children.
Most loans have low interest, lower than regulars, or not at all.
In the UK, cost of childcare is so much it's the literal reason I'm stopping at 2 children. I'm currently paying around £1,100 in childcare and that is including the 30 free hours I get for my 3 year old. If I was going to have another child, even if my wife skipped maternity leave and went straight back to work, I literally could not afford it.
However, if you're not working and on benefits, you get all this stuff for free so the people who are breeding the most are not exactly from the best stock.
That's why not the basic benefit was raised, but instead the policies that were introduced. Something the Gypsys can't get hold of,
Have you thought of your wife staying home full time and taking care of the kids? That way you cut down on the need for childcare.
Before the rise of two breadwinner homes, there were breadwinner/ homemaker homes, and that strategy worked for thousands of years.
@@DepalesaTshabalala My salary alone will barely cover the bills and having only one person working is a bit of a risk in case I lose my job.
I agree, at 38 couldn't have children cause my job low pay,,, but junkies benefit people are pop8ng a child every minute,, getting all the money and help,, while a working person can't afford a child.
Then consider moving to a country with more benefits like this one. Italy is literally giving away huge homes and paying ppl to have babies. Many countries in Europe are willing to support ppl like you. I'd take full advantage if I were you.
It's also interesting that support from the government translated as pressure.
They are kind of pushy about it, but it is nowhere near the victimization some people (like the second girl) pretend it to be
This lady is such a great interviewer. Really balanced and pleasant to watch.
Yeah right sure it is
No children, but I'm sure some dogs at home.
We need to go back to the tradition of one parent being able to stay at home but the governments and businesses need to financially support such a society. People do not want kids because financially life is hard. We also do not have the support of an extended family and community like our great grand parents did. The financial difficulties of life is causing people to migrate and as a result breaking up families and communities. So as a result people need the added cost of hired help. The child rearing process is also very lonely nowadays.
It can be really really boring and unfulfilling in the long run. While not everyone is cut out for a 'career', the fulfilment from having a job, outside responsibilities and interactions from a wider swath of society than just other 'mummies' cannot be over stated.
YES, THE KIDS GET MARRIED ND MOVE FOR A BETTER JOB , THE FAMILY SUPPORT IS GONE
There is already enough people on the planet. People have less children because quality of life for the average or below average person is better with no or a couple of children. I myself come from a big family ( I have 6 sibilings) but I missed out on alot growing up compared to people who had less kids or were well off.
Nicole paige If 3.4billion have one child in the next generation ,the population is 3.4 billion and the next generation 1.7 billion and after that there will not be enough people to sustain a modern civilisation and the civilisation will collapse.We have become so reliant on modern technology that the species will go extinct without modern technology.
Thats an extreme example but actually only africa is above replacement rate 4.5 children per woman but even there its falling for example kenyas was at 5 now its at 3,5 all in the space of 20 years and it won't be long before they are at or below replacement rate of 2.1.Yes you can get by with AI for a while,but for that you need more power and more carbon emmisions.
It just not as simple as saying we need a smaller population simply because if people stop reproducing for a while there is no guarantee they will start again.
@Nicole Paige Yes. There is enough people on the planet but not enough hungairan. Our population is decresing. Right now we have 9.000.000 people in hungary and if we dont do anything then there will be only 6.000.000 in 2100!
In europe the native population has been declining for the past 30 years, 20 years from now there won't be enough people to pay taxes and support the economy. The west invests into immigration, hungary tries to boost it's own people.
@53_PARTHA PRATIM GHOSH Are you some type of idi0t ?
The west is Europe and US/Canada
France and UK and Germany literally have the highest immigration !! And they are the most powerful European countries
@53_PARTHA PRATIM GHOSH Are you even A Western European ? Germany attracts biggest migrants after US.
Smart immigrants go to Germany after US , your previous comment implied “the west employs smart and rich immigrants whereas poor Europe brings refugees” lol the West also comprises of UK which takes top immigrants .
But immigrants is risky business they are not from the Anglo Saxon or germanic Cultures . They are born different . If some Chinese or Indians flood UK they may be smart but they don’t belong to the ethnic culture which is in the process of being wiped out
I think the documentary could have explored the political situation in Hungary at the moment more
Then it might take too long and take away the focus from the actual topic
If MEN could be pregnant themselves & experience labour, postpartum etc., they would never dare to pressure other men to go through that.
lol
That's bs, that is.
How do you assume that?
Absolutely TRUE! This is why most men hate feminism - because it questions their assumptions that women are subject to their whims.
@@sabrinarodrigues629 Or because it doesn't actually fight for equal rights?
Kids are expensive and is something that need to be taken in consideration specially with who you gonna have kids and if you are a suitable to be a parent
Awesome series so far, looking forward to more episodes!
In Hungary, People are encouraged to have more children bcoz of falling bithrate ..... Similarly in countries which are overpopulated, people shud be given incentives for having just 1 child
China
Whats wrong with the world. Cmn, the whole world needs 1 child policy not big families! Let's think past economy and to the fact that our planet is actually dying under this population!
I don't think that Hungary needs 1 child policy. Hungarian genes will be lost forever if that happens.
@@Songbird645 I'm Estonian and there is the same mentality- ok the world is overpopulated, but there is ONLY 1 MILLION of us. Pollution doesn't know borders and and a child born to a wealthy country has 10 times the carbon footprint than 10 kids born to an Indian family. Globalization is happening and nations and races are mixing anyways. Its the future even if some people choose to try to fight it.
I like this video a lot. You show us every oppinion about this topic and think it was correct because you don't jugde no one for their own thinking. Very informative, very perspective. Great job!
Apart from the politics, Can't beat the warmth of a home filled with your 3 kids, their 3 partners and your nine grandchildren.
Wow sometimes I see how different people live for us in the Caribbean Its way opposite thanks for yet another great episode Happy New Year to you and the GUARDIAN
How is it the opposite compared to Hungary?
@@suprensa4393 many countries are antinatalist there
In developing countries it's difficult to get old without Children. Hi from 🇵🇭
As a Romanian, I have mad respect for Hungary for taking this very seriously, I wish the Romanian government took more action too. Europe for Europeans
Hungary has a fertility rate of 1.5 (up from 1.2 in 2011)
However, Romania’s fertility rate is even higher at 1.7 children, but it’s not ethnic Romanians who are reproducing (it’s the tigani)
In Hungary, it’s the Hungarians who have children
Not to mention that Romania has extremely high abortion rate, while Hungary’s abortion rate is steadily declining.
@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 The number of Gypsies in Romania is only around 600 000 - 1 500 000 though out of a population of 19 million. Pretty sure they're not massively impacting the country's birth rate.
Enjoying the series .
Victor Oban is a true National Hero. Without Children there is no future. What is the point of anything? All of europe needs to understand this, or its all over
I think it's quite beautiful what Hungary is encouraging. Why does it make liberals so upset??
Because they hate whites
Thanks to Hungary. The Polish government also provides funds for children. With governments in the West ever coming up with new taxes, increasing taxes, taking, or should I say grabbing money from families it makes it harder for families. People do not live like the princes at Buckingham Palace. With so many jobs having been shipped to Asia how do families make ends meet. We all get old. And need to think of the future.
The polish government can be populist all it wants, it's birth rate isn't going to go above replacement level, especially with that high suicide rate and relatively high mortality rate.
None of this is going to work.
Why ?
@@krystjanchanerley9288 The forces driving falling birthrates are empowerment of women and urbanization. Birthrate is below replacement value is pretty much every developed country. Hungary is currently at 1.5 births per woman. They need to get to 2.1 to stabilize population in the long term. There is no way a few government incentives will overcome such a huge birth deficit. If Hungary refuses to welcome immigrants, then it’s population will continue to diminish.
@@jmpattillo i will take lower population over importing immigrants, hungary should stay hungarian
7:15 Nothing wrong with the idea of building the nation... Be a leftist, but do not dismiss what is reasonable. Without "nation", you would not have your life, your culture, your space, your country. 🤦♀️
I don't think that politics and family values are that correlated to be honest. There are many leftists and liberals with big families. There is an opposition party (socialist) Hungarian politician called Márton Joób who has ELEVEN kids.
@@slendercrescents "there are many leftists and liberals with big families" this is a boldface lie. Leftists and liberals with large families are an extreme rarity, practically unicorns, especially considering that their politics and ideologies go against the traditional nuclear family, which is the only proper way to create stable functioning civilizations.
@@twilightknight2333 ok, then it's different in Hungary. the most hated oppositional politician is ex PM Gyurcsány, who has FIVE kids and he's a leftist, he was a member of the Hungarian Socialist Party... As I've mentioned, Joób has 11 kids... :D it might not be true in your country but here there are plenty of leftists and liberals with many kids.
@@twilightknight2333 You do realize that liberals and even leftists in the US and in western European countries have been pushing for AGES for lowering working hours, increasing paid parental leaves, paid sick leaves and extended vacation days all of which help the health of inviduals and families.
@@countbinfaceglobalpresiden7926 those policies have placed such a heavy tax burden on average Europeans which has ironically made European women view European men as economically unappealing suitors to form a family with, and the ever falling European birth rate just keeps on falling. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was all an elaborate liberal/Marxist agenda to depopulate Europe, and open the borders to uncivilized 3rd world masses from across the globe for cheap, uneducated, and culturally backwards laborers.
Move the childfree campaign to India, China, and Indonesia please
Adopt, there are tons of kids in foster care that need a loving family.
@Gustavo Tuamadre Yeah that's the point, the world already has to many people.
@Gustavo Tuamadre imagine calling orphans mistakes eww 🤮 so much for Christian values
That does not really help population decline
This is a final and desperate as attempt to keep and grow their demographic as it is, which is understandable. What people fail to understand is that the internet and other forms of international media fuel the individual's mind to be a wonderous and adventurous person and to seek beyond one's set boundaries, especially when one is finally of age to freely live and travel.
Final? No. Desperate? Maybe.
@@Tovalokodonc yea probably not final
@@Tovalokodonc how is it not final? If your below replacement and stays their you will go extinct it’s only a matter of time
@@alvinlin8140 Eventually we will be above replacement.
You can be frew, you can live, you can travel and you can have children.
If you want to travel leave your children in someone's care. It's not that hard.
Sorry but there's a ton of mistranslations that are much lighter and sound much less aggressive or intrusive in Hungarian but how you translated to English clearly shows your stand on this topic.
For example?