Can paying for pregnancies save Greece? | Europe’s Baby Bust

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  • @Pierrick2009
    @Pierrick2009 3 роки тому +3212

    Encouraging Greeks to have kids is pointless if they know their kids will have to move abroad to find work after uni. Greece should focus on reforming itself first.

    • @mothersoul1
      @mothersoul1 3 роки тому +66

      true

    • @JonLondrezos
      @JonLondrezos 3 роки тому +243

      I half agree. Greece should - in parallel - do both having more kids and making it possible for people to have a prosperous future.

    • @rorschachozymandias2821
      @rorschachozymandias2821 3 роки тому +22

      @@JonLondrezos right on!

    • @eeaotly
      @eeaotly 3 роки тому +29

      That is true for Romania also.

    • @eeaotly
      @eeaotly 3 роки тому +75

      @@JonLondrezos Actually, kids grow faster that the grownups get to do any reform. So the change should start BEFORE encouraging births.

  • @DharmaDerelict
    @DharmaDerelict 3 роки тому +2544

    You know what would give couples a reason to have babies? Financial security, something governments rarely have for their people because they are too busy catering to corporate interests.

    • @danielwebb4713
      @danielwebb4713 3 роки тому +106

      Tell that to all the dirt poor African and Asian countries who have the complete opposite of financial security and stability, and yet have the highest birth rates.

    • @piperafrica1150
      @piperafrica1150 3 роки тому +114

      They need to have more children in order to support the household and there's a higher risk of children dying in their childhood.

    • @TheInes5
      @TheInes5 3 роки тому +78

      @@danielwebb4713 they use their children as labourers and future carers when the parents get old.

    • @Zack-fu4lo
      @Zack-fu4lo 3 роки тому +10

      @Tyler Rae Donell Trobaugh what’s incorrect? Are you saying zimbabwe has a high standard of life?

    • @daniellondono6688
      @daniellondono6688 3 роки тому +20

      @@danielwebb4713 and their lives are terrible

  • @beasttitanofficial3768
    @beasttitanofficial3768 3 роки тому +1219

    Two thousand euros is nothing to raise a kid, especially in a country without job opportunities.

    • @Otaku2803
      @Otaku2803 3 роки тому +25

      Exactly my thought!

    • @tywinlannister5857
      @tywinlannister5857 3 роки тому +30

      The whole cost of the procedure, the doctors looking over the woman and giving birth could cost as much as 10 thousand... 2000 are like pouring a glass of water in the ocean...

    • @beasttitanofficial3768
      @beasttitanofficial3768 3 роки тому +67

      @@tywinlannister5857 in Greece they have socialised healthcare so you don't pay for the birth itself (unless you go to a private practice) but still, 2k is what you spend on nappies, accessories, furniture, formula... Just in the first 3 months of the kids life

    • @tywinlannister5857
      @tywinlannister5857 3 роки тому +31

      @@beasttitanofficial3768 true, but not many women choose the socialised healthcare as it has a bad rep, and unfortunatelly, the doctors in public practice require an "extra tipping" to take care of you. Trust me, the cost is greater than 2k

    • @jenniepetroutsas4683
      @jenniepetroutsas4683 3 роки тому

      @@tywinlannister5857 i agree.

  • @hamza3065
    @hamza3065 3 роки тому +3244

    I feel bad for Christos to be living without friends his age.

    • @hyunjinsamericanhoe1078
      @hyunjinsamericanhoe1078 3 роки тому +71

      me too

    • @Vexxifyy
      @Vexxifyy 3 роки тому +89

      I wish he could have more friends.

    • @Nierez
      @Nierez 3 роки тому +80

      Having old people as friends isn't that bad. I'm pretty sure he's glued to a console anyways most of the time.

    • @wamnicho
      @wamnicho 3 роки тому +112

      @@Nierez yes, and in 20 years time, he won't have a girlfriend or wife, he will marry his console

    • @teirdalin
      @teirdalin 3 роки тому +48

      @@wamnicho To be fair, companion bots will be pretty dang advanced by then.

  • @Champagnemikey
    @Champagnemikey 3 роки тому +1465

    Hope Genesis: *Adds more kids*
    Kids: When I grow up, I want to leave Greece.

    • @thatguykundai
      @thatguykundai 3 роки тому +114

      Hope Genesis: *surprised pikachu face*

    • @Africanhorror
      @Africanhorror 3 роки тому +165

      it's what happens when you solve the symptoms rather than the disease

    • @danbaltic9678
      @danbaltic9678 3 роки тому +22

      Sometimes you don't know how to solve or cannot solve the cause of the disease. Treating symptoms is better than doing nothing.

    • @bluemopdisaster6445
      @bluemopdisaster6445 3 роки тому +11

      What grease needs to do is add a law not to leave their hometown until they reach maximum capacity of people.

    • @angelcosm2245
      @angelcosm2245 3 роки тому +17

      The country is called Greece..and you are probably joking.

  • @1960aragorn
    @1960aragorn 3 роки тому +1578

    Children are very expensive, and has almost become a luxury "item" in the western society!

    • @gabbar51ngh
      @gabbar51ngh 3 роки тому +74

      Don't worry, immigrants will come to the west to marry local women and increase the population.

    • @ricardopontes7177
      @ricardopontes7177 3 роки тому +138

      @@gabbar51ngh women have become too demanding, if they are rejecting much of their domestic counterparts, foreigners don't hold a chance.

    • @zeke1145
      @zeke1145 3 роки тому +10

      @@ricardopontes7177 not really most in my uni are girls..

    • @husnyrisal7573
      @husnyrisal7573 3 роки тому +59

      @@ricardopontes7177 because of your own western policies of women rights

    • @FreeSoul76
      @FreeSoul76 3 роки тому +132

      @@husnyrisal7573 so you think women they don't need to have rights?

  • @mirandapillsbury7885
    @mirandapillsbury7885 3 роки тому +1020

    i feel so bad for Christos. Being the only kid on an island sounds like a nightmare of sorts...idk

    • @Emppu_T.
      @Emppu_T. 3 роки тому +26

      He'll probably leave when he's ready.

    • @invisiblemann1756
      @invisiblemann1756 3 роки тому +18

      Reminds me of children of men smh

    • @bums009
      @bums009 3 роки тому +6

      @@invisiblemann1756 so interesting that in those stories it's always about people not having a choice, but really the birth rate always drops because people make conscious decisions.

    • @invisiblemann1756
      @invisiblemann1756 3 роки тому +22

      @@bums009 is it really a choice tho? If you're not having kid due to financial and stability issues then I don't think you're choosing lol
      The illusion of freewill is an interesting concept

    • @ahumanwhodoesntlikenoobs395
      @ahumanwhodoesntlikenoobs395 3 роки тому +5

      @@invisiblemann1756 lol ‘ the illusion of free will ‘ the perfect victimization mindset..

  • @GeorgeGabor19
    @GeorgeGabor19 3 роки тому +981

    Here I am living in Canada (Toronto) Age of 25. Working 6 days a week, still not being able to afford a place for myself, Why would I even think about having kids when I still cant support myself?

    • @IAmGadzooks
      @IAmGadzooks 3 роки тому +112

      i'm from toronto too! the rent prices here are crazy expensive, i might leave the city to leave more comfortably. i can't imagine how young people move to this city with children.

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +57

      Poorer people can't support themselves yet have more children.

    • @GrandDuchessT
      @GrandDuchessT 3 роки тому +82

      @@d4nkx549 and then? How are you going to raise that child without money? College fees are high asf. And shrinking into debt from 18 isn't the best feeling.

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +31

      @@GrandDuchessT How tf do poor people raise 5+ kids? You don't worry about college fees when you want to have kids. Besides not everyone needs to go to college and if they want to they can take student loans.

    • @tassosplatis2143
      @tassosplatis2143 3 роки тому +9

      Toronto is crazy expensive

  • @BodyByBenSLC
    @BodyByBenSLC 3 роки тому +1085

    When people see a future with nothing but debt. They stop having kids.

    • @theschmoo3049
      @theschmoo3049 3 роки тому +36

      Exactly!

    • @Emppu_T.
      @Emppu_T. 3 роки тому +65

      Dept, zero advancement, doom and gloom of "climate issues", critical race theory. The future looks dark and hopeless for everyone.

    • @Toastcat890
      @Toastcat890 3 роки тому +4

      This so much.

    • @darkbrandon8431
      @darkbrandon8431 3 роки тому +25

      @@Emppu_T. Nope. The future isn't all gloom. Fertility rates are failing also because children have always been a burden for people. Therefore city dwellers prefer to have less children to ensure their survival.

    • @oolformacha
      @oolformacha 3 роки тому +8

      It doesn't stop Latinos.

  • @offmyface1
    @offmyface1 3 роки тому +669

    Nobody's talking about the actual babycare. We always got help by extended family and nannies aren't really an option for working class people.

    • @ivanperkovic2614
      @ivanperkovic2614 3 роки тому +5

      That's what kindergartens are for

    • @helgaioannidis9365
      @helgaioannidis9365 3 роки тому +32

      Babycare on Greek island usually is the business of what is called σόι in Greek and means the enlarged family. Usually the babies' grandparents, uncles, aunts, godparents and sometimes neighbors will help with babycare.
      A real problem on the islands is that the cost of living is pretty high, but usually people have work only between April and November.

    • @covenawhite4855
      @covenawhite4855 3 роки тому +26

      @@ivanperkovic2614 6 months old love Kindergarten

    • @MissAynneK
      @MissAynneK 3 роки тому +5

      @@covenawhite4855 😂😂

    • @FreyaEinde
      @FreyaEinde 3 роки тому +12

      Nobody considers the emotional toll

  • @martinokuraja6301
    @martinokuraja6301 3 роки тому +505

    Meanwhile in my country, kids are being born every minute despite parents being so poor and living in worse conditions. This life has no formula.

    • @mmm-3737
      @mmm-3737 3 роки тому +24

      TRUTH

    • @fresh5959
      @fresh5959 3 роки тому +7

      Where?

    • @shark4sk
      @shark4sk 3 роки тому +57

      @@fresh5959 India, Pakistan, Bangladesh

    • @fresh5959
      @fresh5959 3 роки тому +40

      @@shark4sk No I was asking HIM personally where he is from ,

    • @anonymousman2521
      @anonymousman2521 3 роки тому +80

      @@shark4sk Bangladesh's TFR is 1.9, below the replacement rate of 2.1,, educate urself before saying something. Even India's TFR is below 2.1. Bangladesh's population will start to shrink by 2038 while India's wil start to shrink by 2048.

  • @pkb9954
    @pkb9954 3 роки тому +331

    Once they have children ,the funds will stop , don't be fooled by such organisations

    • @Africanhorror
      @Africanhorror 3 роки тому +49

      then the real struggle begins

    • @tmsupreme7763
      @tmsupreme7763 3 роки тому +6

      You think they don't know that?

    • @V.E.R.O.
      @V.E.R.O. 3 роки тому +60

      They just want future slaves to consumerism.

    • @danbaltic9678
      @danbaltic9678 3 роки тому +13

      @@V.E.R.O. well, rather not have children, not pass on the genes of your ancestors?
      We who live today are the continuing of thousands of our ancestors. To just cut it off and leave nothing of truly your own on this earth? Disappear like a dust.
      Capitalism sucks, I know. Do it for your ancestors, for yourself, for your nation and for your family. In the past people lived poorer yet they still had many children, were they dumb? I don't think so. They were not so materialist.

    • @V.E.R.O.
      @V.E.R.O. 3 роки тому +24

      @@danbaltic9678 I'm not childless because of materialism, I'm actually a minimalist. I don't have children for other personal reasons. In the past a lot of people had children because they usually lived in the countryside in farms so they needed children to help in the farm and they have enough food to feed their children. Nowadays a lot of people are packed in the cities in small rooms and houses trying to reach the "American" dream which is just that a dream and sadly many get in debt chasing it.

  • @maxchavez5032
    @maxchavez5032 3 роки тому +1087

    Make the conditions worthwhile for people to want to bring a child into this world. A place that has no doctor is not a place people want to have their kids live. Fix that and the economic issues then the population will rise on it's own. There will be no need for baby-making organizations.

    • @bramak6784
      @bramak6784 3 роки тому +28

      I know this might sound too far-fetched. Handmaid's tale.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 3 роки тому +8

      A doctor on island pays only of if you have at least 1000 people so you would rather have to share many island on the Germany Coast don't have doctors too.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 3 роки тому +16

      So you want to place a doctor on each island. This wouldn't work because even athen is having a shortage.

    • @warcrimeenjoyer881
      @warcrimeenjoyer881 3 роки тому +34

      That's not true in Germany we have alot of doctors and a good infrastructure but the population still declines

    • @roothik
      @roothik 3 роки тому +45

      In the case of Greece, there are other reasons as well. You can see the phenomenon all over the country and in the cities as well. Most young people/couples are either working all the time or are unemployed. In both cases, not the right conditions for having children.

  • @vcvcvcvcvccvcvvvcv6041
    @vcvcvcvcvccvcvvvcv6041 3 роки тому +797

    1 vs 1 with your teacher is my worst nightmare! Goodluck

    • @babs2800
      @babs2800 3 роки тому +8

      hahaha

    • @Rabolisk
      @Rabolisk 3 роки тому +128

      I'm sure their relationship is more like a personal tutor rather than a teacher.

    • @Farhankhan_the1
      @Farhankhan_the1 3 роки тому +6

      @@Rabolisk shut up 😂 lol

    • @delmanpronto9374
      @delmanpronto9374 3 роки тому +49

      my teacher who taught me languages 1 v 1 passed away due to Covid. his son told me prior to the funeral he liked me more than him. he was like family for us, who dedicated his life to teaching. i'm very grateful for the experience and will keep him in my memory.

    • @zuboy4272
      @zuboy4272 3 роки тому

      @@delmanpronto9374 laoshoa ?

  • @antonios111
    @antonios111 3 роки тому +329

    As a Greek living abroad, i can say the previous governments, destroyed Greece, what is left is the breadcrumbs, no one can do anything with.
    Geographically speaking, Greece is an absolute utopia, but economically speaking, an absolute dystopia.

    • @003mohamud
      @003mohamud 3 роки тому +1

      Which greek town/island is 0:05 ? It looks beautiful, I would love to visit.

    • @gregorkerka1235
      @gregorkerka1235 3 роки тому +2

      @@003mohamud Lol its Budapest, capital of Hungary. She stands on the Liberty bridge.

    • @beasttitanofficial3768
      @beasttitanofficial3768 3 роки тому +3

      Southern Europe in a nutshell

    • @003mohamud
      @003mohamud 3 роки тому

      @@gregorkerka1235 dang it looks amazing

    • @adventureswithbedouinbabe
      @adventureswithbedouinbabe 3 роки тому +7

      Build the best internet and create a Digital Nomad Visa Residence. We DN’s will flock there in droves ☺️🙌

  • @URL2356
    @URL2356 3 роки тому +288

    It’s all about survival these days.. rising costs of living coupled with an ambitious zeal to succeed makes it practically impossible to raise kids responsibly.

    • @Avaricumstudios
      @Avaricumstudios 3 роки тому +4

      And what's the point of chasing this success....not saying you shouldn't chase success...but ...

    • @eldersrollsapprentice6306
      @eldersrollsapprentice6306 3 роки тому +13

      I dont see any amibitios zeal around me. I see ppl not being able to afford housing and living with their parents. I see depressed ppl living in constant fear of being laid off. I see abused and abadoned moms. And recently I see parents losing jobs due to schools closing. So yea thanks for 2000 euros Greece nice try...

    • @leeche87
      @leeche87 3 роки тому

      @@hirondelle8734 congrats,thats my dream too, what do you live off of?

    • @monikacywinska6557
      @monikacywinska6557 3 роки тому

      @@hirondelle8734 May I ask what kind of job did you do?

  • @kingberz
    @kingberz 3 роки тому +286

    Christos wants to become a teacher. thanks to his gracious guru

    • @Nierez
      @Nierez 3 роки тому +16

      And leave the island...

    • @Biobele
      @Biobele 3 роки тому +9

      Who would he teach? By the time he gets to adulthood they'd be noone (except for the elderly) left in Greece as a whole let alone the island

    • @renzochepar
      @renzochepar 3 роки тому +1

      Hopefully he wont become an alcoholic

    • @Nevio857
      @Nevio857 3 роки тому

      @@Biobele Huge exaggeration

  • @PatrickCruzromero
    @PatrickCruzromero 3 роки тому +178

    Those desolate Greek islands look like absolute Paradise...it’s tragic that there are little opportunities there for the Greek people.

    • @talachastu816
      @talachastu816 3 роки тому +47

      It looks like Paradise BECAUSE there are fewer people.

    • @makisxatzimixas2372
      @makisxatzimixas2372 3 роки тому +2

      I think that in many of these places that are tourist, people rely on the summer for their living. Of course winters are hard because it's cold and windy, but there should be a winter economy too.

    • @sm3675
      @sm3675 3 роки тому +9

      @@makisxatzimixas2372 no. Greece, Albania, Span, Italy have wet and mild winters ,while hot but dry summers. In winter, a light sweater or jacket is fine, and is summer, the brick homes will keep you cool. By the way, this is the village, islands and villages dont get extreme summer temperatures often.

    • @makisxatzimixas2372
      @makisxatzimixas2372 3 роки тому +6

      @@sm3675 Have you ever been on a Greek Island? Many times during the summer you need a jacket, because a T-shirt is not enough.

    • @nofurtherwest3474
      @nofurtherwest3474 3 роки тому +1

      I know right, I want to move there!
      They should market the islands for older people who want to retire to a nice place or have a 2nd home to relax.

  • @tld8102
    @tld8102 3 роки тому +210

    Sounds like people are choosing not to have children because they can't afford to give them a quality childhood.

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +14

      No people are materialistic.

    • @Toastcat890
      @Toastcat890 3 роки тому +30

      Yep exactly people don't have the money to have kids and no one in their right mind wants to bring up kids poor.

    • @johnwilliam6092
      @johnwilliam6092 3 роки тому +13

      @@d4nkx549 You got any kids?

    • @drdal
      @drdal 3 місяці тому

      Yes, but In my country rich people have most children and the poor have few or none at all. I like this system.

  • @brainblox5629
    @brainblox5629 3 роки тому +407

    Greeks alive: "Help we got no jobs"
    Greek politicians: "Why dont you make more future jobless kids??" *send 100k euros from taxpayer money to their own children studying and living abroad*

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +5

      Poor people have more kids

    • @birdakasiakwvos
      @birdakasiakwvos 3 роки тому +30

      @@d4nkx549 ...but not the poor people that once were rich.

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +5

      @@birdakasiakwvos In every country, the wealthier people are, the less kids they have.

    • @birdakasiakwvos
      @birdakasiakwvos 3 роки тому +5

      @@d4nkx549 yes, that is correct also, but i said before that despite the poor countries have more population growth(e.x India, the countries that were rich and after not are not having babies(Greece). Now, purcasing power of the average Greek living in Athens is almost the same as the average Indian living in Mumbai.

    • @organicfarm5524
      @organicfarm5524 3 роки тому +9

      @@birdakasiakwvos and population of Mumbai Metropolitan is almost twice that of whole Greece...lol...
      And that's what Greeks should know, why not just invest more in primary sectors and make Greek communities self sustainable considering they have advantage of small population. Social Economics 101.

  • @de0509
    @de0509 3 роки тому +199

    As a millenial, all these bandaids to problems infuriate me. Stop blaming people for not wanting to have babies because thats a lie. Many of us want to have kids we just dont feel our future is secured enough for it.
    The decision for someone to not have babies is more often than not, purely a survival mechanism in response to the environment where people cant make a worthy livelihood.
    A one off 2000 euro "bandaid" to the problem wont help.

    • @bnbcraft6666
      @bnbcraft6666 2 роки тому +17

      People also fail to mention how hard it is for many to form serious relationships

    • @melvinsmutters7662
      @melvinsmutters7662 2 роки тому +10

      Yep this right here. Why would people have kids when they can barely feed themselves

    • @melvinsmutters7662
      @melvinsmutters7662 2 роки тому +6

      Oh and the relationship issue is really coming to a head. If I lost the woman I have now I'd just stay alone

    • @konnor9577
      @konnor9577 2 роки тому +3

      Maybe if tthey make it 2000 per child per year, and a free house then I think Europe will boom again

    • @de0509
      @de0509 2 роки тому +2

      @@konnor9577 yeah and who is gonna fund it?

  • @misspiscesdreamz
    @misspiscesdreamz 3 роки тому +250

    I'm so intrigued that they want to increase the birthrate. Ironic because when poor people have children they are criticized esp when it's a single mother with multiple children.

    • @boborigue
      @boborigue 3 роки тому +13

      It is all a out finding the right balance.

    • @minagray8574
      @minagray8574 3 роки тому +37

      Single motherhood shouldn’t be encouraged.

    • @thechosenone1533
      @thechosenone1533 3 роки тому +1

      @@boborigue I wanna like this comment but it's at 69 likes so I'll just leave it as it is.

    • @apaddy5390
      @apaddy5390 3 роки тому +34

      @@minagray8574 Motherhood is not appreciated, its unpaid labor.

    • @ct5951
      @ct5951 3 роки тому

      Exactly!

  • @MrJason005
    @MrJason005 3 роки тому +414

    I'll chip in a bit seeing as I'm Greek immigrant abroad.
    I've immigrated to the UK a couple of years ago when I was 16 with my parents. Currently studying at university. We immigrated here because the economy in Greece is still pretty much a joke. People like to think that the Greek economic crisis has passed but that's completely false, we will be living with the after effects for decades to come.
    It's already a struggle for me to find a reasonable job in Athens where I'm not being exploited (thanks to labour laws being dismantled by the Troika in the early 2010s). How on earth would I be able to have a reasonable job and income in one of those remote Greek islands where the economy is quite weak? Let alone the fact that my income won't be enough to raise children.
    I grew up in a household in Greece during the worst parts of the Greek economic crisis. I was lending my pocket money to my parents for them to pay the bills. I do not want to raise children and have them go through the same experience as I did. If I decide to have children, I want them to have a good childhood, not a butchered one like I had.
    Oh, and I would like my children to grow up in a place where they can socialise and mingle with other children their age and not become an extreme introvert like I am. That's kind of impossible to do in a remote Greek island with a tiny population.
    Maybe I'll move to one of those remote Greek islands once I retire and/or I make it big in cryptocurrencies. But that's a long way from here, and I fear the population situation will have reached the point of no return by then.
    If anyone is interested in this, feel free to reply to this comment and I'll get back to you

    • @eminusromanus2704
      @eminusromanus2704 3 роки тому +28

      That's partly true greece before the crisis was like italy or at least spain but even crippled greece still far more better most countries around the world and still crippled greece is richer than its neighbors so problem is not just economy the problem is mostly mentality most young greeks are very picky to choose jobs ,you could be born anywhere else in the world like india africa china etc so you should be pray to born in greece because when you compare to rest of world still greece is avesome country to live on!

    • @martinhess7334
      @martinhess7334 3 роки тому +29

      Even with the Greek crisis lingering on you probably live much better than your grandparents who nonetheless had many more children per capita. That goes for non Greeks as well....

    • @MrJason005
      @MrJason005 3 роки тому +53

      @LetsGoSpain !!! Am I right in assuming you'd say the same exact thing to all the other 700,000 Greeks that immigrated abroad during the crisis?

    • @MrJason005
      @MrJason005 3 роки тому +19

      @LetsGoSpain !!! Έλληνας δεν γεννιέσαι, γίνεσαι.

    • @aditipuri5148
      @aditipuri5148 3 роки тому

      Έχεις απόλυτο δίκιο

  • @kimalex8048
    @kimalex8048 3 роки тому +127

    How do they expect people to raise kids in such poor living conditions, it's purely fallacy, their own government is the problem, they have plunged their citizens into poverty

    • @mirasmith8637
      @mirasmith8637 3 роки тому +3

      I still think it's wrong for people to just decide not to have kids because of the economy situation, not when there are other options to make money other than sitting around and waiting for the government

    • @kimalex8048
      @kimalex8048 3 роки тому +12

      @@mirasmith8637 easy for you to say, you have no idea what unemployment has caused for people

    • @mirasmith8637
      @mirasmith8637 3 роки тому

      Despite the rate of unemployment, some people still counts their millions of Dollars daily and weekly.

    • @scottbrown7256
      @scottbrown7256 3 роки тому

      Seriously? What kind of business would that be? Sounds interesting

    • @mirasmith8637
      @mirasmith8637 3 роки тому

      Forex trading and bitcoin mining, this has to be the future, this is the only way you can print your own money.

  • @RVforestgreen
    @RVforestgreen 3 роки тому +281

    If two people have to work at the same time to provide for a child, of course birth rates are going to drop.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 3 роки тому +5

      This isn't even the case.
      That's not true.

    • @RVforestgreen
      @RVforestgreen 3 роки тому +50

      @@paxundpeace9970 in what way? There’s less incentive to have children that way

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 3 роки тому

      @@RVforestgreen It only drops when something changes. Hope you get it now. 0

    • @yucol5661
      @yucol5661 3 роки тому +13

      @@paxundpeace9970 but it DID drop? Or are you insinuating that the birth rate in Greece hasn’t dropped as the economy got worse?

    • @citizen-27
      @citizen-27 3 роки тому

      Exactly

  • @BlahBlahBlah961
    @BlahBlahBlah961 3 роки тому +619

    Why would anyone want to have kids if we can't even afford to look after ourselves.

    • @crazy4beatles
      @crazy4beatles 3 роки тому +42

      People from different backgrounds have different concepts of what it means being able to afford looking after themselves. And then there's the difference of what makes a good life.

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +86

      On point.
      Also:
      1. Women unlikely to marry and have kids due to a prevalence of psychological and physical violence in the family unit.
      2. Single women who want babies cannot afford the treatment associated with sperm donors and IVF.
      3. Greece's economic instability implies more youngsters are moving to other thriving countries.
      4. Religious people missing the point of all the above issues and blaming it on people not following religion and hence Greece turning in circles trying to find solutions #defundreligiouspeople .
      Religiousness has never made society better. Good people in general did.

    • @framclean7910
      @framclean7910 3 роки тому

      @@crazy4beatles k

    • @archvillain
      @archvillain 3 роки тому +18

      @@rewiredhuman3347 I agree with everything you've said, but that last sentence was truly spot on.

    • @delmanpronto9374
      @delmanpronto9374 3 роки тому +19

      because the economy is like a ponzi scheme. you need a constant flow of young people to bear the burden of the old buzzards.

  • @BeGlamourlicious
    @BeGlamourlicious 3 роки тому +57

    Growing up as the only child on an island feels pretty lonely. Poor boy.

    • @alx_gr1
      @alx_gr1 3 роки тому +3

      He actually has 2 baby brothers. They were on Greek news as well!

    • @rikoooo5610
      @rikoooo5610 3 роки тому +2

      Greeks islands are so beautiful if we had a bigger population Greece would be an absolutely paradise

  • @versacegang42
    @versacegang42 3 роки тому +284

    Baby bonuses don't really help. Not talking about the support in Greece as that looks like a good program. Australia had one in the early 2000s and it didn't help those who didn't want kids because of work or already were happy with one or two. It encouraged mostly lower socio economic people to cash in for an upfront $6,000 and have lot of kids they couldn't really afford or provide for so it became disastrous and was scrapped.

    • @commentor3485
      @commentor3485 3 роки тому +14

      Same thing happens in the USA. (just without the fancy program)

    • @yucol5661
      @yucol5661 3 роки тому +47

      @@commentor3485 that’s an urban myth. “Social welfare queens” and foster parents that home a lot of kids to make profit off the system are rarer than what you’d think if you base your views of movies or police shows. Like airplane crashes, they aren’t that common but they sure make you feel like driving is safer (it’s not).

    • @slickrick2420
      @slickrick2420 3 роки тому +43

      @@yucol5661 Yup. It's just a scapegoat for rich Republicans to blame so that they can cut funding for everyday people, while filling their pockets

    • @7lol2007
      @7lol2007 3 роки тому +3

      such a joke in the usa here my husband and I both make decent income. We make way too much to get the government health care so we get private employeer one ( gold plan btw) it will cost us 8k to give birth this year. That is just giving birth in usa LOL. Child care is 2k a month where we live. luckily we can afford a house with a room but if you compare 2 bed room vs 1 bed room even appt the price in rent etc goes up drastically.

    • @agees924
      @agees924 3 роки тому +6

      Yeah. It’s ultimately a lifelong lifestyle change. People (especially politicians) don’t seem to understand that kids last a lifetime. It’s not just a one time expense.

  • @thecolorhero1078
    @thecolorhero1078 3 роки тому +470

    We arent deciding not to have kids, society has made us this way.

    • @Lazdinger
      @Lazdinger 3 роки тому

      What do you mean, brother?

    • @RoryH78
      @RoryH78 3 роки тому +52

      @@Lazdinger too expensive

    • @someonesomeone25
      @someonesomeone25 3 роки тому +121

      Children only really make sense in a household with two parents, earning decent money, where one partner who can breastfeed is mostly around, where extended family members live close by, where its safe for kids to play outside, where people live in a stable community, and where people see value and joy in reproduction and responsibility.
      I dont think we have that.

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +88

      @@someonesomeone25 given the number of women who have been assaulted and killed in relationships, it is normal for women neither to want relationships nor to bring an innocent soul into this misery. These are selfless people who do not want to put other souls into a fcked up enviroment just for satisfying their ego of passing on their DNA.

    • @MultiCappie
      @MultiCappie 3 роки тому +35

      Idiocy. The Earth has too many humans. The heros are the ones without children. It's a sign of an educated society, for which all societies should strive.

  • @selenasimmons6653
    @selenasimmons6653 3 роки тому +33

    I've watched all the segments held on this topic..Where are the men? Why are they not asking how can the governments help the men have careers to PROVIDE for a family?? Why is all the focus on the women? This practice will not work..if a woman does not feel safe, supported, and loved why would she want to have a baby?? They r leaving out the fact she will feel the burden of children alone.

    • @LegendNinja41
      @LegendNinja41 3 роки тому +8

      underrated comment right here!

    • @elenaKS230
      @elenaKS230 3 роки тому +3

      As a Greek woman, I’d like to add that the best thing the government can do is support working mothers. My generation has seen a rise in women entering the workforce and many have to choose between having children and having a career. Maternity leave, as well as continuous support in childcare through improved public schooling (including preschool) can dramatically change the situation.

    • @ianmiles2505
      @ianmiles2505 3 роки тому +3

      MGTOW

    • @savioblanc
      @savioblanc 3 роки тому

      @@elenaKS230 the Scandinavian countries have that - they even have paternal leave.
      The result?
      Their native population birthrate is only slightly higher than Greece' (Fertility rate of 1.35) despite providing everything you suggested.
      Sweden's fertility rate is officially 1.76 but when you look at the actual native Swedish population it's just 1.67.
      Norway is even worse at 1.56
      Finland is barely making it at 1.41
      All those countries are extremely generous with maternity costs and providing everything necessary to make women as comfortable as possible with regards to birth.
      They're all below the replacement level required at 2.1 and are facing a demographic implosion.

    • @savioblanc
      @savioblanc 3 роки тому +4

      You will notice that in every country where they are complaining about falling birthrates, they never ask about the men or even include the concerns of men.
      This is because, if they do, they will get answers they do not want to hear.

  • @courtneyremarks1133
    @courtneyremarks1133 3 роки тому +136

    Poor Christos,I'm sure he is very lonely,but I bet he is very helpful to his neighbors since there's not a lot to do.

    • @ilm_seeker
      @ilm_seeker 3 роки тому +10

      This comment is so true, but then it made me laugh because I envisioned the entire town putting this one boy to WORK and this is why he wants to move off of the island 😂 ....seriously though, he rang the bell and he is the only student there 😐

    • @Emppu_T.
      @Emppu_T. 3 роки тому

      "takes a village to grow a child" however

    • @AsiaMinor12
      @AsiaMinor12 2 роки тому

      @@Emppu_T. Yeah! With children too!

  • @funnyguyinlondon
    @funnyguyinlondon 3 роки тому +74

    No. Raising the child requires sustainable economic capacity, which one off give away won't be enough

    • @catinthehat906
      @catinthehat906 3 роки тому +2

      We are in a world climate crisis and one of the major factors is overpopulation. We should not be incentivising people to have more children. All countries should be working toward reducing their populations and impact on the planet.

  • @F4rSeer
    @F4rSeer 3 роки тому +75

    Can’t have a hard life due to hardship if you are never born

    • @candiced2138
      @candiced2138 3 роки тому +2

      There are millions of people throughout time that had harder lives and childhood compared to today and they overcame their unfortunate circumstances to attain prosperity. Is today any different?

    • @robertha8555
      @robertha8555 3 роки тому +24

      @@candiced2138 Millions overcame, what about the millions who didnt?

    • @rodneytholanah7310
      @rodneytholanah7310 3 роки тому +1

      antinatalism

    • @kurokamei
      @kurokamei 3 роки тому +9

      @@candiced2138 they didn't know better, no knowledge of family planning, and most children died young. I don't think that's something people today, who are more educated, more knowledgeable about how the world work should copy. We shouldn't just wing it and see what would happen.

    • @candiced2138
      @candiced2138 3 роки тому

      @@kurokamei I think people should be mentally, emotionally and financially prepared to have children but the reality is that a lot of people don't think like that and will continue to have children regardless of if they should or shouldn't. Ironically, it's mostly people who are living in poverty and don't have the means to take care of multiple children.

  • @CarlH08
    @CarlH08 3 роки тому +135

    This is also a problem in Spain, Portugal and Italy. Its just that life living alone in these countries is hard already let alone with children.

    • @larsjohansson660
      @larsjohansson660 3 роки тому +12

      every one lives at home untill there 30ies.

    • @Felineintuition
      @Felineintuition 3 роки тому +10

      Add Romania and Bulgaria to that list, too.

    • @gabriellewilliams396
      @gabriellewilliams396 3 роки тому +4

      Why do you say living in Spain, Portugal and Italy is hard? ..I'm genuinely just asking...

    • @zacarias8434
      @zacarias8434 3 роки тому +2

      @@gabriellewilliams396 unemployement and high cost of living compared to the salaries

    • @gabriellewilliams396
      @gabriellewilliams396 3 роки тому

      @@zacarias8434 hmmm...seems thats the prob in so many countries...even in the Caribbean

  • @chentedonjuan637
    @chentedonjuan637 3 роки тому +145

    I'm from guanajuato Mexico same phenomenon is happening it was 50 + on each class room now they are only 15

    • @maatimoobi8133
      @maatimoobi8133 3 роки тому +28

      Guanajuato fertility rate hasn't dropped below 2.1 yet so it's not in issue yet. The population mexico is also much younger there than in greece.

    • @chentedonjuan637
      @chentedonjuan637 3 роки тому +25

      @@maatimoobi8133 I know they're young in general but for some reason this information is not showing up in census. Kindergarten and elementary school is much less kids in comparison with past 2 decades. Obviously Mexico's population is bigger than any European country. So is not going to affect dramatically.

    • @historygeek7779
      @historygeek7779 3 роки тому +14

      Because your all fleeing to america

    • @maatimoobi8133
      @maatimoobi8133 3 роки тому +20

      @@historygeek7779 That has little to do with it. Immigration has dropped over the years. Lots of countries are dropping in fertility rates and its more common in developed or developing countries.

    • @chentedonjuan637
      @chentedonjuan637 3 роки тому +2

      @@historygeek7779 nop actually is much less of that from Mexico

  • @____mango273____
    @____mango273____ 3 роки тому +110

    Southern and Eastern European countries: *no job security, opportunities, or equal access to education, and stressful work culture*
    Also southern and Eastern European countries: “how dare you not supply the workforce with no children! We gave you 2000 euros 😡”

  • @DoneDealAC
    @DoneDealAC 3 роки тому +91

    We are experiencing same thing in USA. Millennials are too poor to have children or get married. Birthdate has been constantly going down since 90s

    • @idek8718
      @idek8718 3 роки тому +9

      no you arent, america doesnt have 1 ethnicity or a culture, and it has no religion, so you will always have millions of mexicans indias chinese people coming in the usa and bringing the population up

    • @RK-cj4oc
      @RK-cj4oc 3 роки тому +24

      @@idek8718 He never said that the population is not growing. he said that the child birth has been going down. and this is simply true,

    • @idek8718
      @idek8718 3 роки тому +3

      @@RK-cj4oc not the same problem tho, you will be replaces anyways, greeks cant be replaced...

    • @idek8718
      @idek8718 3 роки тому +7

      @Dan yeah but there is nothing you can do about it, the ruling class wants more and more poor immigrants in the us, so that more and more people will become poor, while the ruling class will jst become richer and richer, and liberal kids are supporting that stuff so, its doomed to happen

    • @ct5951
      @ct5951 3 роки тому +3

      That and we were told not to have children because it's bad for the environment.

  • @Rachel-uy4kv
    @Rachel-uy4kv 3 роки тому +88

    The cost of living is getting higher and higher and wages aren’t matching that. If you go to college in an attempt to get a better job you end up with crippling debt (at least in the US) and a lot of people can’t find jobs in those fields. And if they do the starting pay is pitiful. You spend half your check on rent and the rest on other bills. So if you have a baby you have to work extra hours just to pay for the extremely expensive day care. You’re having a baby that you can’t even properly enjoy because you have to work so much so that other people can raise it because you have to work so much.

    • @Axiom8Love
      @Axiom8Love 3 роки тому +7

      Very well said.

    • @GrandDuchessT
      @GrandDuchessT 3 роки тому +9

      Thankfully in Greek universities we don't pay tuition fees and books, some students can get free food at the caffeteria (at least it's eatable)
      But getting into uni is very hard, public school just doesn't focus on the uni exams, so we all went to preparatory schools (which are expensive asf, it was our family's sacrifice, in my case it was successful since I got in my desired department, but other students may not make it to their dream schools).

    • @leeche87
      @leeche87 3 роки тому +7

      that is why people should refuse to have babies and produce news slaves for the system to exploit

    • @norahn4078
      @norahn4078 3 роки тому +3

      It’s a disastrous catch 22

    • @sebastianwallin3726
      @sebastianwallin3726 3 роки тому

      The cost of living has also increased because a lot of people don't spend their money rationally. Far to many people are far to willing to pay far to much for housing.
      Very saddening a lot of people are narcisist and hence insist on owning a home or having a car or something third.
      Far more people should be using public transport and living for rent.

  • @gmac8586
    @gmac8586 3 роки тому +82

    This is what austerity does. It solves nothing. Everyone leaves and no one is left to pay and you still don't get your money!

    • @perseusarkouda
      @perseusarkouda 3 роки тому

      Preach!

    • @thechosenone1533
      @thechosenone1533 3 роки тому +9

      No this is what happens when you spend money you don't have and leave the bill to the future generations. The time has come for Greeks to pay the bills their parents and grandparents incurred.

    • @perseusarkouda
      @perseusarkouda 3 роки тому +8

      @@thechosenone1533 Your opinion is insulting af. Even IMF says austerity was catastrophic. Go back to your hole now.

    • @gmac8586
      @gmac8586 3 роки тому +4

      @@thechosenone1533 One can say the responsibility also lies with the loan sharks who made predatory loans in the first place. Ultimately, the choice of solution lies with those who make the rules for the society, for the lenders, the financial system and all involved. Ancient societies had a debt jubilee. Rather than austerity, every society also has a choice of allowing bankruptcy or wiping out all debt. Too bad for the lenders. Perhaps they can be relieved that they are not sued as well for undue stress or even tried and convicted for irresponsible lending.

    • @thechosenone1533
      @thechosenone1533 3 роки тому +2

      @@gmac8586 The economy will collapse even worse than it did if you had a debt jubilee. And a lot of the money is owed to foreign countries and they would impose sanctions if you don't pay back the loans. Ask North Korea and Iran how it feels to live under sanctions. They would take austerity any day if they had a choice.

  • @montefieldstein9463
    @montefieldstein9463 3 роки тому +114

    Christos got caught for cheating off his schoolmate, when he turned in a blank paper.

    • @GiorgosKoukoubagia
      @GiorgosKoukoubagia 3 роки тому +7

      LOL! But hey, what is the teacher gonna do? Out of school suspension?! :P

  • @emmads
    @emmads 3 роки тому +78

    Everywhere where people are financially struggling, it is a general practice to refuse to have a baby. It's impossible to live with a miserable wage and grow old a family. My mom already had me at my age now, but I am totally afraid of having a kid as I am unable to give him a home.

    • @cawheeler27
      @cawheeler27 3 роки тому +15

      Poorer countries have far more children than richer countries. Your theory doesn’t really hold up.

    • @emmads
      @emmads 3 роки тому +25

      @@cawheeler27 actually it does, as being part of one of these poorer countries. My comment is actually about young educated couples/ families who can clearly understand their own limitations. Sorry for my inconsistency.

    • @MrHjacky
      @MrHjacky 3 роки тому

      @@emmads you should have narrowed down your scope of statement then. It's not "everywhere"

    • @Србомбоница86
      @Србомбоница86 3 роки тому +6

      @@emmads that's not true ,poorer people have much more kids,around the world that's a fact

    • @emmads
      @emmads 3 роки тому +1

      @@Србомбоница86 it really depends, I write down thing I observe next to me.

  • @angelicar451
    @angelicar451 3 роки тому +53

    It’s fantastic how they all speak English in Greece.

    • @evaggelia8815
      @evaggelia8815 3 роки тому +21

      Need of jobs:) now the younger also have to learn german

    • @evaggelia8815
      @evaggelia8815 3 роки тому +3

      Actually either german or French

    • @evaggelia8815
      @evaggelia8815 3 роки тому

      @Dan true i got many manyy family friends and relatives going to germany for jobes

    • @Soleil43215
      @Soleil43215 3 роки тому +8

      Ignorance at its finest. We are educated and we love learning. That's why we learn foreign languages. We are blessed to have a beautiful country, which is rich in natural gas and other resources and minerals. Unfortunately, the state has been managed poorly and people have to leave their beautiful country for a better life.
      Since you said you are a native speaker you should have known better, we do not put articles in front of names, countries etc, "the Germany".
      I forgive your ignorant and racist remarks along with your grammatical errors, as you said, at the end of the day you remain American.

    • @Soleil43215
      @Soleil43215 3 роки тому +4

      @@evaggelia8815 Ευαγγέλια κορίτσι μου τι κάθεσαι και γράφεις στο καθέναν που μας προσβάλλει; Σε είπε μεξικάνα της Ευρώπης και εσύ κάθεσαι και του βάζεις φατσούλες;

  • @someonesomeone25
    @someonesomeone25 3 роки тому +56

    People don't want kids. People don't want marriage. Fewer want any relationships.

  • @roothik
    @roothik 3 роки тому +153

    Greece has a serious demographic problem though. The steep populaion decrease is a nightmare for sustaining the pension funds. At this point, the Hope Genesis initiative seems not to be about increasing Greece's population compared to todays population. It's basically about making the decrease less steep...
    The population decrease really seems not to be avoidable. We are very far from being in a situation, where demonstrating against overpopulation in Greece would make a lot of sense.

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +30

      Greece also has a serious issue of women being assaulted and killed by male partners, which explains the reticence of women to put themselves at risk in relationships and to deliver an innocent soul in such a fcked up psychopathic enviroment.

    • @qd8wl
      @qd8wl 3 роки тому +2

      Don't worry, elites are already working for governments not giving public pensions in the future.

    • @freezeaim2412
      @freezeaim2412 3 роки тому +1

      @@rewiredhuman3347 Do you mean to say it doesn't happen to men as well? Let's see these statistics, please

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +15

      @@freezeaim2412 Men are mostly killed by men: they are friends whom they drink with or have drugs with, crime partners or random strangers.
      Women are mostly killed by men, by their male partners especially - the enemy being inside is a big issue - It shows you how men do not value women in general and how they position their lives and happiness as more important than that of the woman's.
      Needless to say, feminicide has the highest statistics compared to homicide.
      And the statistics are recorded by activists. Male powered government has ignored appeals to track feminicide rate. That is how you see how men see women as less valuable lives. This is well documented, please look it up.

    • @freezeaim2412
      @freezeaim2412 3 роки тому +5

      @@rewiredhuman3347 That’s not how it works. If you are stating something, you are the one who is supposed to refer to sources. Do you write in your essays ”look it up”? If not, you cannot do it here either.

  • @gottod6895
    @gottod6895 3 роки тому +40

    Greece is so beautiful, I wish I could live there

  • @illuminati5417
    @illuminati5417 3 роки тому +47

    7:30 there's a difference between keeping population stable and increasing it...

    • @pawl23
      @pawl23 3 роки тому +3

      No developed country has been able to artificially increase population anyway.

    • @480darkshadow
      @480darkshadow 3 роки тому +1

      @@pawl23 You mean besides immigration?

    • @kol3577
      @kol3577 3 роки тому +4

      @@pawl23 actually Israel has the highest tfr ( over 3.0) among industrialised nations but there other factors play role also

    • @pawl23
      @pawl23 3 роки тому +1

      @@kol3577 that is true too

  • @igeorgoudi
    @igeorgoudi 3 роки тому +42

    Well, I line near Arkoi and I can tell you that despite having no healthcare system ( in critical conditions a helicopter transfers you to central hospital) people still have kids. However, now with coronavirus, I fear many people in the tourism industry and food services face unknown times, having kids will be even more difficult. Also, in order to have regular check ups, pregnant women have to leave small islands. You need a lot of money, not only raising kids but being pregnant as well...

  • @shikb
    @shikb 3 роки тому +49

    How lonely is the only child on an island.

  • @heracles89
    @heracles89 3 роки тому +69

    They should try to encourage the diaspora to return! But that will involve there needing to be jobs

    • @milan51259
      @milan51259 3 роки тому +2

      I return to Serbia because of low taxes :-) But... as a self-made Multimillionaire.

  • @wanh3703
    @wanh3703 3 роки тому +76

    Wow, different in Malaysia. Modern parents around my ages, they prefer small city to raising their child. Because everything around their radius, less criminal too. Most of my high school friends move back to our small town to started their own family. For example, in remote area deep jungle of borneo Sarawak, you can found primary school that occupied about 300 to 400 of students. We are not highly developed country like Europe but I think our cheap medical services the main factors here.

    • @helgaioannidis9365
      @helgaioannidis9365 3 роки тому +6

      Yes, medical coverage is one of the main issues on the small islands. My cousin worked for some years on small islands as a teacher and she liked it there, but never would live there permanently, because there's no doctors.

    • @wanh3703
      @wanh3703 3 роки тому +13

      @@helgaioannidis9365 my mom was head nurse that specializes in obstetrics and gynaecologist. She was in the busiest team ever. We live in small city that a bit secluded. Every month, her mobile clinic team will traveled to more rural areas for medical visits. The mobile clinic consists of boat clinic, bus clinic and 4 wheel car clinic. That's her experienced before retired.

    • @helgaioannidis9365
      @helgaioannidis9365 3 роки тому +6

      @@wanh3703 yes we also have mobile teams that travel to islands here in Greece. But when the weather is bad the islands are isolated because the boats can't get there and flying is too dangerous. So with bad weather only when it's a question of survival they send a military helicopter to the islands to transport the person to hospital on a bigger island.
      I live on an island that actually does have a hospital, but we never have all the doctors and nurses that are needed, because people from the mainland don't want to live here. We don't have intensive care for babies here and only recently through donations of locals we managed to build up an oncological department in our hospital. But we're often short of supplies here. The government doesn't see us as priority, because they don't need the islands to win elections. Most Greeks live on the mainland, so the government is only interested in us when it comes to get money out of tourism and when it comes to conflicts with Turkey.

  • @KrispyCrem3
    @KrispyCrem3 3 роки тому +23

    What's the unemployment rate in Greece again? They've been penniless for a decade and you can't figure out why the population is aging!

  • @arescue
    @arescue 3 роки тому +75

    And to think that my generation was heavily pressured to avoid pregnancy at all costs until after you graduated from college, had a good job, and a house. When I was the right age to have a family, the economic crisis of 2008 struck, I could not afford a family, so I don’t have any children. It’s a shame, I am a good person, I care about people. I would have been a good mother.

  • @pedropereira2211
    @pedropereira2211 3 роки тому +38

    I am european and have two teens. We migrated to Germany when they were aged 6 and 9. It was very very hard. We stayed there 5 years and returned because of family issues, financially it was great though. I tell me children to consider not having children of their own because it is becoming very difficult to raise children, even if you make a lot of money. Money is only one of the variables, others weight a lot more in this equation.

    • @musicstan3196
      @musicstan3196 3 роки тому +2

      wise

    • @dolydoly5679
      @dolydoly5679 2 роки тому

      Europeans will perish because they have no children. But the refugees will have lots of babies for you, don't worry.

  • @Gigi-us4jk
    @Gigi-us4jk 3 роки тому +13

    giving birth in Greece in private hospitals costs 5k, in public hospitals you will pay around 1k (for the hospital expenses, if the doctor asks for extra money(not legal) this price goes up).
    Per month parents get around 28 euros for every child. Even the diapers you are going to use per month cost more than that. And when the kid starts going to school, you will pay extra money for foreign language lessons (they do get taught in school but no one has ever learned from school any foreign language), extra money if your kid wants to go to the uni (the lessons in school are not enough for 95% of the kids to pass the exams for the uni). And then in uni, most parents don't want the kids to work to focus on their studies

  • @laneyfran
    @laneyfran 3 роки тому +65

    Create better living conditions, acknowledge the importance of women’s role in society, increase male participation in child rearing and babies will follow. I barely make enough for myself, and it’s just so hard to move into a higher paying job. I see my girlfriends struggling to raise kids with little help from their husbands. No way on earth I want to have children.

    • @OkurkaBinLadin
      @OkurkaBinLadin 3 роки тому +2

      LOL.
      Darwin loves you.

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +3

      Doing exactly that has lowered birth rates lol. Look at nordic countries. In the end, nature has deemed those ideas as wrong so lower birth rates is nature's way of ensuring ideas like that don't get passed on.

    • @DondiWhiteRIP
      @DondiWhiteRIP 3 роки тому

      Really the man just needs to earn enough and the women will have children

  • @Hrshsngh_19
    @Hrshsngh_19 3 роки тому +26

    It's a problem that will be severe in the next 20 Years when most of the developed and developing countries will have a very low fertility rate.

    • @tubby6007
      @tubby6007 3 роки тому +3

      It won't be problem at all as AI will take the jobs

    • @Kar90great
      @Kar90great 3 роки тому +2

      @@tubby6007 but how will you get consumers

    • @alexmoore9580
      @alexmoore9580 3 роки тому +1

      @@tubby6007 AI won't be the solution because robots don't buy unlike humans

    • @deniseproxima2601
      @deniseproxima2601 3 роки тому +1

      @@alexmoore9580 But they take the jobs and money from people. Few make big money with many people. But this many people are running out of money.

  • @MonDieuMaCauseMonEpee
    @MonDieuMaCauseMonEpee 3 роки тому +32

    No one wants to be bogged down with a kid in their 20s! We want a stable career and to have independent experiences before having a family. Children are a huge responsibility, just to be popping out babies for the heck of it is totally reckless.

  • @republicofsandles
    @republicofsandles 3 роки тому +173

    Thank you for giving both of these arguments equal time.

    • @bramak6784
      @bramak6784 3 роки тому +4

      True. Interesting enough, there is a discrepancy, though. On the one hand, there is an argument, saying that all life should matter around the globe. The other argument is, we need to keep the 2500 year old legacy alive. So this is two conversations of people living in distinct realities. One has a frame of a TV set, the other has imagination. The two arguments are similar, in that, they are both on the extremes. And they are similar arguments, as they are rhetorical. And it seems that these are argument of the same issue but they are not. One is about nostalgic feelings and Friedman economics; the other is not.

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +18

      Interestingly enough, the topic of women being massively assaulted and killed by male partners (the main reason why women neither want to get into relationships and have children in such unsafe atmosphere) has not been properly covered.

    • @asdfasdf3989
      @asdfasdf3989 3 роки тому +1

      Both pro-natalist and anti-natalist?

    • @asdfasdf3989
      @asdfasdf3989 3 роки тому +1

      @@rewiredhuman3347 Hogwash

    • @aresreal5707
      @aresreal5707 3 роки тому +4

      @@bramak6784 so you support that is better for historical European countries like Greece to adopt 200.000 Pakistani children to solve their problems and create the new modern Greeks? Are you for real?

  • @jacobscrackers98
    @jacobscrackers98 3 роки тому +91

    Can that woman (who was interviewed) seriously not understand the point of making children outside of consumer culture/capitalism?

    • @lizprice8783
      @lizprice8783 3 роки тому +29

      Or that you can raise children that are environmentally aware and make good habits such as recycling and using products without plastic.

    • @egbertandrew8435
      @egbertandrew8435 3 роки тому +20

      @@lizprice8783 It's not Us or children who had to Change it's the Government regulations and Corporate companies. As someone associated with manufacturing the degree of engineering going in to make new product unrepairable as use and throw, planned obsolescence eg creating artificial spare shortages etc. These all end up in land fills and the durable product being purchased 10-20 times in a person's life time insted of 3 or 4.

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +35

      @@lizprice8783 No need, people are suffering everywhere. ADOPT. These women and men who are anti-natalists think selflessly unlike people who want to fulfill their whims of having their DNA passed down and getting a child in this world to witness sexism, racism and other forms of oppression. The AUDACITY.

    • @Aima952
      @Aima952 3 роки тому +8

      @@lizprice8783 you reduce and reuse before you recycle. Anti-natalists just apply the principle to child rearing too.

    • @lizprice8783
      @lizprice8783 3 роки тому +4

      @@egbertandrew8435 Right, that wasn't the point. My point is that people act like children are a burden when really it just falls on the parent to raise decent human beings. If you don't want to have children, mind your business.

  • @derblah9006
    @derblah9006 3 роки тому +23

    Love how the kid doesn’t even sit in the front of the class

    • @rodneytholanah7310
      @rodneytholanah7310 3 роки тому

      🤣

    • @John-co5of
      @John-co5of 3 роки тому

      Probably they did it only for the interview. To show that they comply with the covid guidelines

  • @gilesdunk7416
    @gilesdunk7416 3 роки тому +32

    Poor kid!
    Austerity in the western world and falling wages Vs more expensive cost of living has caused a ticking the bomb.

  • @mohammadshahidhusaini3122
    @mohammadshahidhusaini3122 3 роки тому +42

    Christos was Spot on..he simply wants to leave the island..😂

  • @Elena-sf4ht
    @Elena-sf4ht 3 роки тому +35

    A lot of things play a role in this but i think many ppl forget that now we have more equal rights and some women can choose to not have kids cuz they want to focus on their job or simply cuz they don't want kids. It's slowly becoming more socially acceptable for women to be child and husband free and honestly i think thats a great thing

    • @ΚώσταςΡωμ
      @ΚώσταςΡωμ 3 роки тому +3

      That's cool and all but who's gonna pay for the business woman retirement?

    • @Elena-sf4ht
      @Elena-sf4ht 3 роки тому +2

      @@ΚώσταςΡωμ i don't understand your point can u explain?

    • @ΚώσταςΡωμ
      @ΚώσταςΡωμ 3 роки тому

      @@Elena-sf4ht when childless people grow old, where are they going to get their money from?

    • @Elena-sf4ht
      @Elena-sf4ht 3 роки тому +18

      @@ΚώσταςΡωμ where everyone else gets their money from. Is your implication that kids give money to their parents when they are older ?

    • @ΚώσταςΡωμ
      @ΚώσταςΡωμ 3 роки тому +1

      @@Elena-sf4ht if someone has no children she/he isn't entitled to the taxes of future generations right?

  • @anna-if8fi
    @anna-if8fi 3 роки тому +105

    We all need to save Greece it’s a beautiful country full of culture and amazing places

    • @paulo7507
      @paulo7507 3 роки тому +3

      so what do you suggest?

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +4

      So maybe have more children?

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +1

      @@paulo7507 Immigration

    • @anna-if8fi
      @anna-if8fi 3 роки тому +2

      @@paulo7507 erdogan needs to take pressure off greece have more babies but at the woman's choice stop relations with germany seek help from another country and solve corruption

    • @anna-if8fi
      @anna-if8fi 3 роки тому +2

      @@d4nkx549 yes but that's not the only problem corruption and turkey play a big part in it as well

  • @joegee6434
    @joegee6434 3 роки тому +12

    Even in the North East of England here they have closed down dozens of primary schools because they simply aren't needed. Schools which had over 500 children in the 1990s now have less than 200.

    • @albanianorthodox8659
      @albanianorthodox8659 3 роки тому +3

      In Albania the same the villages are abandoned and population now inside is not more than 2 millions.

  • @mygreenhousediary5947
    @mygreenhousediary5947 2 роки тому +11

    Ya couldn't pay me to have kids. Money is no incentive to bring life into a broken world.

  • @peachycream8674
    @peachycream8674 3 роки тому +59

    Women are just sick of being treated like trash + struggle financially after decades of it. Make the woman feel happy and secure she’ll pop tons of babies out! I am on my third baby atm. My husband is very sweet to me, takes care of my needs and treats our babies well. So I raise my children happily and I felt safe enough to have more kids with him. 💗

    • @mayahzo7619
      @mayahzo7619 3 роки тому +6

      Exactly

    • @mahsieirvdj
      @mahsieirvdj 3 роки тому +5

      So true

    • @NazimUddin-yk2tz
      @NazimUddin-yk2tz 3 роки тому

      Benefits money 💰💵

    • @Grimmes12
      @Grimmes12 3 роки тому +8

      @Daniel Mendozkevich preach! just look at the birth rates in the Scandinavian feminist paradise compare to places like Africa or South East Asia where they dont empower women

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +7

      @@Grimmes12 They will scream about financial security but in reality, poorer people have more kids in every country.

  • @celestesubieta8803
    @celestesubieta8803 3 роки тому +40

    If i cant responsably align my financial conditions with bringing life into this world then im not going to have children. My income is around the median for both my city and my country - but if every time there is an economic collapse i need to have over 5K in the bank to withstand the storm there is just no way I will be able to both plan for retirement and be a parent.

    • @Giorg189
      @Giorg189 3 роки тому +7

      Thats the interesting part. In rich countries, people want to be financially stable to have kids, while in poor countries they give birth like rabbits without even thinking about financials (for example Turkey).

    • @randomstuff8027
      @randomstuff8027 3 роки тому +1

      @@Giorg189 turkey fertility rate 2.07 so nope

    • @Giorg189
      @Giorg189 3 роки тому +1

      @@randomstuff8027 EU has 1.55, meaning that Turkey is +30%, which proves my point.

    • @randomstuff8027
      @randomstuff8027 3 роки тому +1

      @@Giorg189 2.07 is below replacement

    • @randomstuff8027
      @randomstuff8027 3 роки тому

      @@Giorg189 so having two or one kids is like breeding like rabbits? and in Turkish cities fertility rate is similar to Europe

  • @FrameAmbitiontv
    @FrameAmbitiontv 3 роки тому +27

    Definitely a tricky one, between climate change and the threat of cultural heritage being lost. Not to mention what long-term support the parents get.
    But also - there's no mention of fathers or the birth mothers' partners in any of this unless I missed it..? Seems like a lot to place just on the backs of these women having the babies...

    • @nickb1156
      @nickb1156 3 роки тому +2

      Overpopulation is a problem concerning certain countries (primarily in Asia and Africa). European countries like Greece should never be expected to take any birth control measures.

    • @ep4801
      @ep4801 3 роки тому +1

      @@nickb1156 African populations are naturally the dominant majority on earth... everything been out of balance since your people tried to take over everything. The earth is simply balancing its composition again. Truth sometimes hurts...

    • @nickb1156
      @nickb1156 3 роки тому +3

      @@ep4801 I'm sorry but there is no evidence to support your afrocentric delusions. Also, I don't remember Greece colonizing the world (WE were the ones being colonized and oppressed by empires). Better educate yourself.

    • @fetter.strolch
      @fetter.strolch 3 роки тому

      @@nickb1156 Genetically speaking, African type genes and body features are more dominant than any European ones Wich everyone can see in cases of a child with b/w parents.
      But other than that I with you. Most European nations didn't participate in the colonization efforts and even of those who did, the general population didn't planned or executed those things that came from the feathers of the political higher or leading forces.

    • @nickb1156
      @nickb1156 3 роки тому

      @@fetter.strolch That's not what they were referring to when they said "the dominant majority". And even though some of their features are genetically dominant, the idea that biracial kids look more black than white is a delusion. Put Obama next to an African man's picture and you will clearly see his lips, skintone, nose etc are in between.

  • @Axeman369
    @Axeman369 3 роки тому +90

    What a beautiful country

    • @pan-demics8015
      @pan-demics8015 3 роки тому +27

      @@rewiredhuman3347 That is not true. Where did you get this astoundingly false impression?

    • @fwefhwe4232
      @fwefhwe4232 3 роки тому +2

      looks like a dump to me

    • @rewiredhuman3347
      @rewiredhuman3347 3 роки тому +7

      @@fwefhwe4232 I understand you. Not everyone is ready to believe what is happening. Many like living in their sheltered safe privileged cocoon, I totally understand you.

    • @HeadhuntexGamer
      @HeadhuntexGamer 3 роки тому +18

      @@rewiredhuman3347 what are you even talking about? Its Greece not Saudi arabia

    • @jlc5271
      @jlc5271 3 роки тому +11

      @@rewiredhuman3347 stop being condescending when you're just plain wrong

  • @1MzAbrams
    @1MzAbrams 3 роки тому +10

    There is beginning to be a baby bust in America as well. People are choosing wisely when it comes to having babies. Poverty is taking over and student loans are bleeding the younger generation dry

  • @LOL10060
    @LOL10060 3 роки тому +61

    I don’t want children and not everyone does and the world needs to understand that.

    • @joelrebollar7055
      @joelrebollar7055 3 роки тому +8

      Nobody's talking about you.

    • @goodnightmyprince6734
      @goodnightmyprince6734 3 роки тому +1

      If OP is Greek then this vid is relevant to the comment.

    • @GiorgosKoukoubagia
      @GiorgosKoukoubagia 3 роки тому +6

      Fair enough atually, neither do I. I think the main focus of the video is about people that want to have children but don't because of a variety of reasons, mainly insecurity and financial problems

    • @perseusarkouda
      @perseusarkouda 3 роки тому

      I want but I can't. It would be nice if you'd shut up and keep being childless while letting someone to point out our problems.

  • @ThanasisZantrimas0310
    @ThanasisZantrimas0310 3 роки тому +40

    Well, It seems to me that it's rather a controversial issue. Back in 2011, when financial crisis hit our country, the Greek population accounted up to 11 million people. Ten years have passed and half a million people, mostly young, immigrated in order to get a proper standard of living.
    Yes, there is a demographic problem, but it has expanded to the Europe. Now, the population has decreased gradually since then in order to reach 10,420.000 and continues to decline. The average age is 45, I presume. The whole Europe adopted neoliberal policies in the last three decades and now is paying the price. Maybe we should adopt a better economic model.

    • @addmin5487
      @addmin5487 3 роки тому

      Yall have refugees on your border wanting to work, it seems like common sense to just integrate them into the economy rather than pay for their food and water in camps

    • @JustSueMe
      @JustSueMe 3 роки тому +15

      @@addmin5487 Refugees do not want to stay in Greece, they want to go to Northern Europe that has better economy and living conditions, Greece just happens to be on their way there. Dublin agreement is there to protect Northern European countries from being overwhelmed that's why they stay in Greece. Intergrading thousands upon thousands of refugees is not an easy task. It requires an incredible amount of resources and time. Due to bad economy the job market is incredibly competitive, you can't just get a job here. So no, it's not common sense it's a very difficult subject, and we are really only at the beginning...

    • @andreasmc1
      @andreasmc1 3 роки тому +17

      @@addmin5487 the majority won’t integrate in society, we’re too different both culturally and religiously.

    • @jeroenarendonk4160
      @jeroenarendonk4160 3 роки тому +14

      @@addmin5487 many wont integrate and that would only make a bigger problem

    • @21cgIN
      @21cgIN 3 роки тому +10

      @@addmin5487 there are no jobs for Greek people let alone for refugees.

  • @radmum6493
    @radmum6493 3 роки тому +11

    What a charmer lol singing to the ladies lol 😂

  • @safaa9654
    @safaa9654 3 роки тому +45

    You can give me a million dollars and i still wouldnt want to have a baby 😂

    • @jamesb.hallmd9899
      @jamesb.hallmd9899 3 роки тому +3

      Why???

    • @dergluckliche4973
      @dergluckliche4973 3 роки тому +16

      @@jamesb.hallmd9899 Some people just don't want kids. I don't.

    • @gottod6895
      @gottod6895 3 роки тому +8

      @@dergluckliche4973 same I don't get the point of having children, it is expensive and very exhausting.

    • @dergluckliche4973
      @dergluckliche4973 3 роки тому +8

      @@gottod6895 I don't know. I understand it has a point _for people who want children._ I don't understand the point of some people getting so wound up about the fact _some people_ don't want children. I'd almost envy the free time they have to be so invested in strangers' reproductive choices, which have zero impact on their own lives, but thankfully, despite having no children, my life is pretty full - mostly with pursuits of my own choosing rather than the endless obligations dictated by having children.

    • @dergluckliche4973
      @dergluckliche4973 3 роки тому

      @Doktor Doof And in English?

  • @armellecauret9264
    @armellecauret9264 3 роки тому +31

    thanks a lot to the guardians for this very well prepared report.

  • @andrephx90
    @andrephx90 3 роки тому +14

    Hopefully this series comes to Portugal which is facing the same exact problems; looking forward for the next videos!

  • @pythonanywhere3392
    @pythonanywhere3392 3 роки тому +22

    Pay for pregnancy so their children can pay the debt?
    Sounds like a great idea!

  • @harryatkin5967
    @harryatkin5967 3 роки тому +22

    When my mother first bought fish, they weren't too pleased moving from their big aquarium to her modest sized one.
    Then they began to have kids and the older ones died off. The children knew no different, they had never experienced life outside my mum's aquarium so they had no expectations for a better world.
    This did not mean they were happier. You see, they picked up their parents demeanor of resignation as just a normal way to approach life.
    This is what they want for us and our children and the people would rather fall over and die than to bring children into this reality.
    Sorry for the example mum.

  • @pragyajoshi1785
    @pragyajoshi1785 3 роки тому +27

    People of India to Greece - you guys are getting paid to get pregnant???

    • @einmann3252
      @einmann3252 3 роки тому +4

      Indian birthrate is also declining. China is already doomed.

    • @OkurkaBinLadin
      @OkurkaBinLadin 3 роки тому +2

      @@einmann3252 Nobody has to pay Indians or Chinese to have children. You are doomed.

    • @devilapostate4575
      @devilapostate4575 3 роки тому

      Sister unki problem different hai hamse

    • @virtualatall
      @virtualatall 3 роки тому

      Yeah... Again break down family structure.. Rather owt then have sustainable jobs and make gamy supporting policies... Children will come naturally from it

  • @AmidalaEmma
    @AmidalaEmma 3 роки тому +25

    Life is too expensive.

  • @2shadowlady
    @2shadowlady 3 роки тому +11

    Instead of blaming childfree people, they should worry about why the people that WANT to have children, can't. No jobs, worse quality jobs than ever, inflation.
    People can't afford babies. Also 2000e don't cover almost anthing.

  • @telorceplok8812
    @telorceplok8812 3 роки тому +64

    How about we guys adopt neglected children instead of making more children
    That's more eco-friendly and morally responsible

    • @talachastu816
      @talachastu816 3 роки тому +2

      Exactly.

    • @Otaku2803
      @Otaku2803 3 роки тому +3

      Exactly what I was thinking

    • @telvinphiri1620
      @telvinphiri1620 3 роки тому +16

      Eco-friendly? The way you westerners look at children in those terms as if they are products, I can't grasp. Indeed West is west and east is east

    • @telorceplok8812
      @telorceplok8812 3 роки тому +5

      @@telvinphiri1620 i live in the east. i know what overpopulation does to a society. making babies means creating needs, needs can only be fulfilled with resources, natural resources that are limited.
      also we as humans have communal responsibility to ensure everyone (who are already born, including stranded children) has their basic needs fulfilled.
      communal responsibility is also eastern values, btw.
      i love my eastern values, and "make a lot of children" is not one of our values, that's just something that ppl did in the past bcs they didn't have easy access to brith control.

    • @ASBlueful
      @ASBlueful 3 роки тому +4

      @@telorceplok8812 There is no "overpopulation", that's a myth perpetuated by corporations and racists. We raise and slaughter more than 100 BILLION farm animals every year, and you are seriously claiming that we don't have enough resources to support 8 billion humans? What a joke.

  • @Davao420
    @Davao420 3 роки тому +28

    omg the reporter is so gorgeous. love her

    • @Fabian-cv9yl
      @Fabian-cv9yl 3 роки тому +2

      I hate when at 0:07 she says "us", she is not even European

    • @Davao420
      @Davao420 3 роки тому +1

      @@Fabian-cv9yl yeah but even with brexit, british people are still kind of european

    • @Fabian-cv9yl
      @Fabian-cv9yl 3 роки тому +4

      @@Davao420 you don't understand, that's not what I meant, ethnically she's not European

    • @Davao420
      @Davao420 3 роки тому +6

      @@Fabian-cv9yl i understood what you meant, but there is no one european ethnicity, if you mean she's not white, not all europeans are scandinavian looking

    • @auntyjasmine2566
      @auntyjasmine2566 3 роки тому +3

      @@Fabian-cv9yl if she has a parent that is European and had European ancestors and she’s born and had grown up in Europe, could she not be considered as European

  • @treasirewealth4024
    @treasirewealth4024 3 роки тому +21

    I agree, Greece needs to focus on it's own HERITAGE and production and not worry about the world. When the birth rate us low the name becomes meaningless. There will be no one to carry out the history and genealogy of the lineage.

  • @qwertyts
    @qwertyts 3 роки тому +40

    Geez this world really has changed. what happened to just having children because you wanted to? no politics, no incentives, just the desire of a family?

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +8

      Most people in developed nations are materialistic nowadays which is why they don't want to have children. Don't fall for the financial security garbage. The wealthiest people have the lowest birthrates. They have low birth rates because they don't want to have children not because they don't have financial security.

    • @nightprowler6336
      @nightprowler6336 3 роки тому +7

      @@d4nkx549 Westerners are losing religion and becoming more and more narcissistic. They think they are their own gods, yet they're driving a bus into a tree.

    • @d4nkx549
      @d4nkx549 3 роки тому +4

      @@nightprowler6336 It will eventually lead to their doom and they will return to their traditions. Nature always fixes itself.

    • @moranii1843
      @moranii1843 3 роки тому +8

      When everyone was farmer, more kids meant more helpers. This in addition to very high child mortality rate led to most people have 10 kids each woman.
      Now almost every kid survives and one will have to quit their job or hire a nanny to raise their children. There is no reason to have 5 kids when you're a poor service worker.

    • @JohnJames-hc3xj
      @JohnJames-hc3xj 3 роки тому

      Because it is very expensive and wages aren't meeting living costs. If you can afford it and want to, you are blessed.

  • @GrandDuchessT
    @GrandDuchessT 3 роки тому +16

    How are we supposed to have kids when the average wage is 600-800€? That's barely enough to rent a small apartment and pay for electricity and water in Athens. When people want to have a child, they want to support it in every way. Health, clothing, education etc.
    Unfortunately, for some people, it's impossible.
    I was lucky to be raised in the countryside, but I still know that there are people out there who simply can't make their ends meet.
    Government monthly child support isn't even enough to buy a baby's diapers😂.

    • @SakisKotisis
      @SakisKotisis 3 роки тому +2

      "That's barely enough to rent a small apartment and pay for electricity and water in Athens."
      Move out of Athens.

    • @GrandDuchessT
      @GrandDuchessT 3 роки тому +3

      @@SakisKotisis and find work where? In the countryside?? 😂😂😂
      That would be nice, but it's way too hard. Moving out of the capital isn't easy. Most hospitals, work vacancies, universities are in Athens.
      My parents are living in the countryside and now they regret that they chose to live in the countryside (due to my dad's work), because we have to pay rent for me and my brother who are studying in Athens.
      In other words, it's x2 the money.
      So it ain't worth it.

  • @pawl23
    @pawl23 3 роки тому +23

    Wish Greece the best of luck with increasing the birth rate.

    • @OnlyOneHunnids
      @OnlyOneHunnids 3 роки тому +8

      Or let nature take it's place... there's a reason the birth rate is low. Fix the ECONOMY THEN MAKE KIDS... common sense.

    • @rudy1999
      @rudy1999 3 роки тому +4

      @@OnlyOneHunnids What does economy have to do with it? People are very rich in Africa or the Middle East? They have insane birthrates.

    • @OnlyOneHunnids
      @OnlyOneHunnids 3 роки тому +1

      @@rudy1999 and look at Saudi UAE oman Qatar Bahrain Israel and possibly Iran turkey, their all rich. Africa is a different story. Idk. MAybe 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

    • @nickb1156
      @nickb1156 3 роки тому +2

      @@OnlyOneHunnids these countries might be rich but their standard of living is not high. overpopulation is a combination of lack of education among women, lack of family planning and reducing mortality rates for children.

    • @nickb1156
      @nickb1156 3 роки тому

      @The big liar so you're not rich. that person was saying that if we fix they economy, people will have children. but that's not the only reason people don't have children. in middle eastern countries, family is still valued (unlike Greece).

  • @dimm7448
    @dimm7448 3 роки тому +8

    Europe is spending thousands for every immigrant entering illegally, so sure Europe has money to have more kids. Also you gave too much air time to the girl of that weird organisation which nobody ever heard of and wants Greece population to shrink. Her opinion represents no more than 100 people

  • @ArealMrsSmith
    @ArealMrsSmith 3 роки тому +14

    They should really distinguish between “voluntary infertility” and “biological infertility”. Choosing to not have kids is VOLUNTARY, and a country can mostly solve that with cost/standard of living changes.

  • @ecop3698
    @ecop3698 3 роки тому +42

    Only 2,000? What's that gonna do????

    • @GiorgosKoukoubagia
      @GiorgosKoukoubagia 3 роки тому +2

      in terms of Greek costs of living, it is like 3 minimum wages or 1,5 average wages, so it's an okay ammount actually. Plus you get a monthly extra benefit depending on the number of children you have and your family's income until your kids get to 18 that covers the cost of, say, ~40% of a child's food costs. I wholeheartedly agree that it is not enough, but it is better than nothing, since programs like these, combined with the free healthcare, have allowed the poorer class to have 1-2 kids in the past decade, if they wish to of course.

  • @maxchavez5032
    @maxchavez5032 3 роки тому +40

    The economy must really stink if people don't want to raise a family in such a beautiful place. The water is as blue as the sky!

    • @jaggirl
      @jaggirl 3 роки тому +11

      Something is terribly wrong when the government can't manage money

    • @BankruptGreek
      @BankruptGreek 3 роки тому +4

      economy and conditions on these remote places isn't that great. Places with more opportunities like Athens and other major cities aren't as beautiful like in the islands.
      You have to keep in mind that the economy of Greece and especially in places shown is based on tourism, and tourists don't need schools, large hospitals, homes for families living long term, etc. The population and life in these islands inflates and deflates based on the months of the year, the majority of businesses stay closed throughout the year with owners and workers living in other urban areas for off season work and then work during the holidays in the tourism industry.

    • @aa2339
      @aa2339 3 роки тому +5

      People can also be very selfish to not raise kids and have a family.

    • @jlc5271
      @jlc5271 3 роки тому +4

      It's selfish to have kids in the current overpopulation epidemic (2 is the very limit anyway)

    • @BankruptGreek
      @BankruptGreek 3 роки тому +2

      @@jlc5271 there is no overpopulation get over the myth. Just do some research and learn

  • @ambersouthwick3509
    @ambersouthwick3509 6 місяців тому +1

    Finally!! The baby bust is being talked about. I have 3 kids, my cousin and his wife have 4, my friend has 3. We all regularly hear "yous are crazy" or "yous are braver than me". When really it should be "wow, thanks for saving our population!"

  • @suprensa4393
    @suprensa4393 3 роки тому +19

    I look at the title of the video before watching it, and I already know that the answer is no because other countries have made similar attempts through financial models and in none of them has it worked. My own country, the United States has attempted to incentivize births through tax breaks to parents and tax credits on child care but prior to COVID we experienced rapid economic growth, a sizeable religious population, and even in those cases the financial incentives didn't prompt couples to have kids. Countless other examples in Japan, Germany, Spain have been made (mind you those countries all have a far better social safety net than my home country) and it hasn't worked out for them either.

    • @johnybecool2810
      @johnybecool2810 3 роки тому +3

      You can´t say it just like that. Germany´s birthrate in 1994 was 1.24 and the last data from 2018 was 1.57 . Hungary in 2010 it was 1.23 , in 2018 it was 1.53. Czech rep. in 2002 was 1.25 today is 1.63 . Russia was in 2000 1.20 , in 2018 was 1.76 . It is a long and hard prozess that needs a lot of comitment from gov and society, but it is there it works slowly .

    • @suprensa4393
      @suprensa4393 3 роки тому +4

      @@johnybecool2810 Where are you getting this data from? Also, even if we assume that the statistics which you are providing are accurate, not even does it seldom solve the problem that come with lower birth rates under the current economic system. Germany, Czechia, Hungary, and Russia's health and pension spending are all going to skyrocket in the coming decades and school closures will continue to take shape.

    • @johnybecool2810
      @johnybecool2810 3 роки тому

      @@suprensa4393 No it will not if the birthrates continue to rise and automatisation and robotization kicks in . I have the data from Google. Just google "birthrate and the country you are interested in".

    • @yucol5661
      @yucol5661 3 роки тому +1

      I know it’s as if child rearing is extremely expensive and a life defining choice. I don’t see any government giving enough money to convince anyone to have kids.

    • @yogrannyloveme124
      @yogrannyloveme124 3 роки тому

      Feminism it’s the problem dude, Wamen haven special rights and stuff, Man now know it’s too dangerous to married and have kids with a American Wamen. Marriage in the US It’s financial suicide.

  • @Test-of9sd
    @Test-of9sd 3 роки тому +33

    How isn't life a ponzi scheme?

  • @mashakalinkina7207
    @mashakalinkina7207 3 роки тому +42

    A-DOPT! There are SO many people who already exist who need homes and your love. I agree with her on that one.

    • @glebb..3416
      @glebb..3416 3 роки тому +7

      This does not help the declining population. Europeans need to start getting about 3-4 kids average.

    • @glebb..3416
      @glebb..3416 3 роки тому

      @@Xeroph619 How old are you?

    • @niamtxiv
      @niamtxiv 3 роки тому +3

      @@Xeroph619 true, I thought about it, then I'm like.... No thanks.

    • @bogi18
      @bogi18 3 роки тому +7

      People who don't want to or feel like they are not able to take on the responsibility of raising a child obviously won't adopt either. Skipping those 9 months at the beginning barely makes any difference in the long run financially.

    • @annebremen3961
      @annebremen3961 3 роки тому +1

      @@glebb..3416 That's the last thing we need. Creating more "consumers" on a planet that's already barely dealing with the population we currently have and lets be real it's not the children in Africa that live of less than 1€ a day that are using up this worlds resources. We can't just doom 4+ people into dealing with a world thats becoming more unsafe every day, just to have more consumers...

  • @mariathehistorian7041
    @mariathehistorian7041 3 роки тому +15

    Some how encourage Greeks that moved abroad to return to Greece?

    • @albanianorthodox8659
      @albanianorthodox8659 3 роки тому +6

      What should they do there?west Europe like Germany is taking all the qualified youths from Balkan.

    • @ellenjoana1657
      @ellenjoana1657 3 роки тому +1

      Some of us do have a desire to return but not being able to find a job that can support our family is a big problem :(

    • @perseusarkouda
      @perseusarkouda 3 роки тому +1

      They need to work and we don't have enough jobs even for us. Austerity really saved us... NOT!

    • @GreekArmyVeteran95
      @GreekArmyVeteran95 3 роки тому +1

      ...and do what?

  • @Shy-xm4kn
    @Shy-xm4kn 3 роки тому +6

    These types of news segments leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’m 25 and already get asked if I plan on having kids. I very much don’t for multiple reasons. I don’t like the pressure women are under to have kids in an increasingly bleak world.

  • @Jazzy869
    @Jazzy869 3 роки тому +8

    Καλιμερα! Yay I can practice my Greek. Greece is so beautiful I can’t wait to go back, its weird because now that I think about it I don’t recall see any Greek children. I saw like maybe 3 or 4 and I was there for 2 months.

  • @ronaldocatarinense12
    @ronaldocatarinense12 3 роки тому +11

    Greece is not the cause of the problems of overpopulation. The problem is in African and Asian countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Niger, Nigeria, Congo and others that have more people than they can feed.
    For Greece, it is a matter of survival to have children, because there is a hostile neighbor like Turkey who breed like rabbits.
    The girl in the anti-birth campaign is completely out of touch with reality, Greece makes no difference in overpopulation.