Understanding Indian Civilization
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2022
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Some of the reasons why we know so little about ancient India:
1. Everything rots in this weather except for Rock. All the books require to be rewritten in two or three centuries. This requires enormous budget and state patronage.
2. We burn our dead, not burry. Graves are actually one of the best places to find artifacts for archaeologists.
3. Budget constraints for archaeologists of India.
4. Many ancient cities are continuously inhabited. You can't tell millions of people to just move for archeological excavation.
5. Theft of ancient artifacts during British Raj.
6 would be.- destruction of old evidences, culture, scriptures, libraries like burning of Nalanda, stone carvings on architecture destroyed like old temples etc by Islamic invaders for uprooting the old society to build their own new Islamic society which can't be questioned due to non existent past.
U forgot the most important thing that education took place in temples and also written history and documents and temples were first target of Muslims . We had temples of hindu and buddist as far as Persia and middle east but can we find them ? No , we can't because they were destroyed by muslim and with them the history and records were too some temples which survived we can see having family records far back as 500 years .
@@KAIMA.N no one needs those trashy things anyway, eat ur heart out. We will take it again if we get the chance! What now u little mody swine!
I sadly agree. Too little has been invested in archeological digs in India. Although the difficulties you mentioned are most probably also a complicating matter. Although the political tensions between India and Pakistan have most probably also further complicated this matter (at least when it comes to the 'Harappan' civilization).
But, with that said - and I'm not in any way biased here, or in any way condone the many inhumane acts of the British Raj - it wasn't 'only' the British Raj who have stolen a lot of invaluable artifacts from India...for ex. countless raids and incursions on Indian lands have come from several other different 'warlords' - for ex. from Iran, Afghanistan, central Asia, etc., etc.. They all did very much the same.
Anyway - cheers from Sweden.
Yes, yes yes.
I've been to India four times and feel I understand it only a basic level. Each state of India is like its own country, and each division of a state like its own autonomous region. All I know is every inch of that wondrous nation is saturated with history and intrigue, peppered with works of artistic and architectural majesty. Tamil Nadu is my favorite part of India...so vibrant, colorful and beautiful! The temples of TN are extraordinary, almost other worldly. I hope to do my fifth trip within the next two years.
I’ve lived here for 31 years and I still only understand it on a basic level.
I understand all of India. AMA!
think that all the time, it would take several life times to fully grasp the history of hindustan and asia. Its taking me half my own life just learning about my own peoples continental history, which is mostly destroyed with whats left still feeling like a endless amounts of discovery and history barely being uncovered. the 5 cradles of civilization do have a unparalleled deep rich history.
This video is bullshit
its because the only place you have visited , i guess!!
7:12 "No nation ever gives up its culture willingly"
What about 21th century western Europe?
they are doing it willingly?
The culture has been dying slowly for the past 50 years
india is a very maximalist culture. it is like the opposite of Scandinavia. Indian food is overflowing with spices and random ingredients, Norwegians eat like plain fish and some bread. Indians outfits are all extremely overflowing with patterns and colors. Norwegians dress in earth tones. Indians have the entire village turn out for a wedding with 10,000 people. Norwegians have like their immediate family and thats it. lol
Beauty is in contrast to
@@memesins5647 i love them both ❤
A point you missed was the mythical/historic Saraswati river which flowed parallel to Indus. The interesting fact is that most Harappan cities were not on Indus but on the valley of now dried up Ghaggar Hakra river which many identify as river Saraswati. From your video it is pretty clear that the books you read as source material were written in the 70s or 80s. I would recommend you reading The Ancient Indian History by Upinder Singh(daughter of former prime Minister Manmohan Singh). The historiography in India is now dominated by Indians and they use modern techniques unlike in the past when it was mostly written by foreigners with biases. Take for example you calling Buddha a non Aryan ; He acknowledges himself as a Kshatriya of the shakya clan. Your conclusion that Mauryans ruled through oral dictates is purely based on megasthenes , the Greek ambassador’s writings that said Indians had no written language. But actually there are hundreds of Ashokan inscriptions written in Brahmi script which had edicts propagating dharma and these inscriptions were uniform throughout the country which rules out your theory of lack of centralisation. The Mauryans never let the conquered territories be ruled by the locals as you said ; Ashoka was the Governor of Takshashila / Gandhara province (present Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan) before becoming the king , so princes were the Governors and not the locals. And finally your knowledge of varna system and Jati system is too juvenile. Jati and varna are two different things .All the three higher Varnas have the right to wear the sacred thread ; but not all higher Jatis have the right to do so. Jati is highly fluid; you could be a lower Jati now but could rise up if your social standing rises , but your varna remains the same. To understand this I would take myself as an example . I am from a higher jati called Nair but I belong to shudra varna; The rulers of Calicut whom Portuguese first encountered were from my Jati (caste); so he was a shudra ruler of the Kingdom. To make it more clear , the caste system is actually the Jati system and not the Varna hierarchy. Though it forms the basic framework for classification , varna system was never practiced in its ideal form but Jati hierarchy is a painful reality even today.
Those are some actually good explanations and corrections, kudos to you
Buddha was definitely an Aryan (which meant Noble One). The eight-fold path used to be called the Aryan path
@@pyropulseIXXI yes chattari “Ariya Saccani” in pali or chatvari Arya satyani in Sanskrit for four noble truths...and arya ashtangamarga for eight fold path.....
Aryan Dravidian theory has been debunked log ago.
@@kaushiksinha4673 Yes DNA analysis of the remains found at various Indus Valley sites show them to be genetically similar to the current population of Punjab and Sindh ; But what about the language groups. Indo Aryan languages are not at all related to Dravidian ones except for the many Sanskrit loan words. Vedic Sanskrit is closer to Avestan Persian than to the Tamil of the sangam period. So there must have been a migration from somewhere of the group which brought Sanskrit to India. As he said this group would have been a small one who would have filled the power vacuum caused by the fall of Harappan civilisation due to climatic or geographic reasons. Their language might have mixed with the ones of the larger population resulting in languages with an Indo Aryan base but evolved over time with many non Indo Aryan words. That is why classical Sanskrit is a whole different entity compared to Vedic Sanskrit. They are mutually unintelligible. This did not happen in the south as it was not the part of the original Aryavarta , which extended only till Maharashtra. So the Indo Aryan speakers might be genetically same as the Dravidian speakers , but their languages are different.
Fun fact: many languages including Hindi have alphabets that are visual representations of mouth and tongue postures for each sound.
Plz explain..
Yeah I didn't know that.
This video is bullshit
Hangeul (Korean script) is like that. I think it was based on a Mongolian script called the phags-pa which was designed by a Tibetan monk. So it must have an indic origin before that.
@Rasgulla wow that's fascinating. Probably made reading a lot easier before any sort of schooling.
In the map on 0:40, you should have included the Philippine Island of Cebu as one of the places influenced by India. The Island’s first kingdom was founded by a Chola Prince from Sri Vijaya.
Mahabarath(around 3200BC), Ramayana(around 5600Bc) are called Ithihasa, translates as "it thus happened". So, both these epic wars happened to establish dharma at the behest of avatars of Vishnu, Shree Krishna, Shree Ram resp. And Bhadvad Gita is not a religious text, it's a manual on how to conduct one's life in a more efficient, effective way. It's for humanity.
If those events ever happen the technology that was used back then, would have fragments dug out now, such as the case with the Mesopotamian Civilisation and all the Neolithic tools and all
9:46 no , originally it was supposed to be like you can jump between the castes but during later years it was lost in translation and it became a rule that you can't change Cates or marry someone outside your caste
I think it happened during the British Raj
@@davidisliberal2973 not just that but the hate towards trans or LGBTQ+pro Max is here also because of Britishers,they were the ones that didn't like gay people and when the came here they passed laws to punish kinnar(Indian version of LGBTQ) just because they were neither male nor female, otherwise kinners were treated as higher gender and always invited to events as kind of chief guest
@@starmaker75 thats wrong, people were divided into casts according to their skill and not their birth, the original varna system could enable a vaishya born to be a kshatriya or brahmin
@@davidisliberal2973 no , it happened much before that presumably during Gupta period .
@@mawsey1477 oh great here comes the Indians to make shit up to make themselves feel good
@Whatifalthist Bureaucracy did exist in all Ancient Indian Empire and it was an elaborate one. Kautilya's Arthshastra tells about the bureaucracy in detail and Mauryan Empire was not a decentralised state but a centralised police state and Kings were not involved in Horse sacrifice alone. The Horse Sacrifice was a means of grabbing territory from a neighbouring Kingdom without waging war. Records were also maintained in all Indian Empires especially for Judicial Functions.
Aryan Dravidian theory has been debunked log ago.
@@kartikranga6534 This guy is either ill-informed or has ill-intent
@@kaushiksinha4673 he is grossly misinformed , he has not read a single indian book written by a nationalist and to hide that he dismisses them by saying they are unhinged . He uses a few unhinged eliments and then goes on to eliminate an entire school .
@@kaushiksinha4673 You didn't even have written records before conquerers came in.
The horse ritual of ashwamedh yagna was only done by strongest King such as Chandragupta otherwise it would mean act of war . The horse going anywhere with army to protect it only rich and strong guy can afford that
I’ve always said that if Aliens were to visit earth and could only visit one country, it should be India. It has everything. Politics, religion, art, culture, music, movies, history, philosophy, sciences. And such a variety as well.
@James Bond there is infrastructure there too. Enough to show the aliens.
They would nuke Earth after that visit
@@johnblackman6523 Yeah man, after seeing what barbaric westerners did to so many beautiful cultures how can they have faith in humanity? In fact if I was an alien and I saw the history of the west I'd certainly nuke the earth out of fear of what they'd do to me when they got the chance!
Which is now being built at a really fast rate ( faster than china was building at its peak).
Uhhh, nah lol. I wouldn’t shame our planet like this. Let’s just show america to them.
1)Whenever you visit India, Visit Kurukshetra. You will get a fair idea that Mahabharat isn't a copy and edit version of other stories. The bit that feels similar is the common theme that drives almost all wars.
There is no place called gurukahetra. You hindians naming places kurukshetra, ramar birth place. You are living in fantacy story world. Just get out from it.🤷🤦🤦 I know you are just. A victim of bramins.and their stories. They are just stories. Not real incidents
Who said it was copy paste??? And what does it have to do with visiting kurukshetra??
@@devdhanda3958 nije giye dekhe ne,bujhe jabi
Aryans started settling after reaching Bactria. They didn't have Vedas yet. They just there and then saw cities, different social structures and started asking big questions about origin of world building philosophy. Earlier they had the same old myths of Eurasian herders & hunters-gaterers. They brought their genes & language in this region of world from far away with a few OP military inventions but only when they stopped and settled they started composing RigVeda and transition to other less military and nomadic lifestyle. That's why you can see many advanced complex Sanskrit religious terms with completely basic naturalist original nearly shamanic meanings in European languages.
It's like transition between a simple word tree into nordic iggdrasil world tree, of Wiśnia 🍒 into Vishnu or widzieć to see, vision into Veda knowledge.
Nearly all myths are about war because these were historical mile stones in every culture creation of falling. Like Roman story about being nearly wiped out by Celts what become their foundation & greed for betterment and survival.
MegaBrotherhood but Poor sisters never mentioned.
@@ItachiUchiha-bf3pjkoiy eda?
I'm tripuri Bengali idk where is it
I had no idea just how complex the Indian civilization was! This video was very eye opening
I know. I was shocked on just how deep it was too
Civilisation*
What did you expect, given how Indians seem so different and cannot even agree with themselves more often than not?
Honestly what you guys were shown in the video did not even scratch the surface, and I am not even exaggerating when I say that. There were a lot of things (and I mean A LOT, almost the entire video tbh) that he just generalized, and a lot more he was just plainly wrong. We're a really diverse place and everyone's identity has been hyper politicized by the British because of their divide and rule policies, which is being continued by modern Indian politicians across the board.
@@yugmathakkar4023 hey, don't overwhelm them. Let the firangis make their effort, no need of us getting out of the way to confront/comfort them.
I think the fact that there's already people who seem to know their stuff passionately debating how wrong the other is about Indian culture and history proves just how difficult it is to understand. The locals can't even agree so the rest of us have quite the challenge
Edit: see replies for a fantastic example
India is a democracy so naturally there are a lot of disagreements, arguments and debates. It's also because we are a very diverse country.
But underneath the differences, there are more similarities. We have a common history, our languages are similar to each other and our moral values are similar.
Democratically, we generally agree on a few basic things:
We all are patriotic - whether left or right neither side hates the country despite its flaws. What we do hate is our politicians.
Our elections are fair and trustworthy - while some leftist extremists do claim that the BJP rigs the voting machines, the vast majority of people and all parties accept the results of the elections. There hasn't been any protest of any election being rigged. Although there may be some vote rigging at the lower levels.
Our judiciary is independent: While we complain that justice is often delayed and sometimes denied, that the judgements are wrong etc, we don't disobey the courts and abide by their rulings. We trust that the judiciary will prevent government overreach and is beholden.
And lastly, our military: We love the men and women who serve in our armed forces. They risk and sometimes give their lives for us so we are greatly indebted to them. There are some extreme leftists who hate the army - they are a small minority - 99% of Indians love the army. We don't accept any insults towards them.
@@globalnationalismyoutube I've always found India fascinating. I've never gotten to know an Indian who wasn't just the most friendly and welcoming person. I've got a buddy whose family owns some property somewhere in the south. I've got an open invitation to stay at the family home out there and I very much intend to use that offer one of these days.
Even though they grew up in the states, they've retained a lot of traditional culture. It's always really fun to learn from. My wife and I showed them what an American thanksgiving meal is and my friends (they're brothers) showing me how delicious biryani is
@@ryantannar5301 whenever I heard any Indian saying things like "preserving culture" then it's most propable that they're the "upper caste" and proud of their caste. Hence preserving the 2000 yrs old caste system.
The caste is in the blood.
@@globalnationalismyoutube Exactly! My words, bhai.🙂👍
@@ryantannar5301 South? You mean Southern India?
'Fall of Civilizations' episode on Vijayanagara Empire is simply amazing.
You try to buffer your video saying you don't understand india. You are correct.
Haven't seen a more inaccurate understanding of India on the internet. India is the oldest civilization look at accurate archaeology reports, Mahabharata is not a copy, it is the original.
Probably should have first traveled here and then made this video. Jumping to the region to attract views without even understanding and making false claims.
I don’t know if it’s intentional. But I always appreciate your “Now back to the video” screen length. As someone who spam skips through the advert I always land on the screen. Never missing the start of the video!
I love each of your civilizational videos. You're one of the few content creators who can talk about how entire societies evolve, function, and stagnate. It is not only interesting, but it allows us to reflect on what is important to us and what we should value.
if only he was factually correct!
Just keep in mind that they are massively oversimplified.
@@shekelgangiv3411 it's all wrong. He's some kind european supremacist..sintashta culture didn't even originate in Ukraine to begin with... everything eurocentric. For this guy 1000bce Mahabharata is copied from 8bce illiad...wtf!!
@@dynamitebsb4520 idk enough about india to say this is all horse shit, but, having watched most of his videos analysing civilisations, he comes from a very anglo-centric point of view. The embodiment of perfide Albion.
@@shekelgangiv3411 thankyou for recognising. The guy is so casual in saying Greeks ruled India! The Greeks ddint even enter the present day India...they entered pakistan and only reached till indus. ofcourse pakistan is pattnof ancient India, but saying Greeks ruled India for 300 yrs!! He only reached the mouth of India, suddenly for this guy, it became Greeks conquered India.
As an Indian, someone who has studied the Vedic corpus, and as an economist, your analysis is really good
Half knowledge is a dangerous thing
Interesting video. A couple major things you might have glossed over/missed. The Caste System became very rigid over time and was coopted by invading peoples to effectively rule India. Think the british Raj or the Mughals or the Dehli Sultanate.
Also since India is so large the religion is so different by place thats its difficult to view as one.
Finally one empire you glossed over is the Chola empire. They ruled part of Southern India for nearly 1000 years in some form and consistently was one of the highest GDP places in the world. In my opinion the Chola dynasty was the greatest Indian empire or atleast tied with the Mauryan Empire.
Lol indian caste system was getting over rigidified from the get go, you can see traces of this trend starting in the Mahabharata itself. Still it was very fluid back then. Something between the 500bce - 500AD was the major cause of caste system getting rigidified. Britishers just put the final nail in the coffin of an already ongoing process. Mughals didn't have that much of a contribution in affecting the trajectory of the caste system.
It's true that the original caste system was more merit based and eugenic.
Aryan Dravidian theory has been debunked log ago.
@@Deepak_Dhakad where most wealth was concentrated in the hands of foreign nobles and peasants used to leave their lands out of fear for the tax collector
He didn't even reach the time of the cholas in this video
@@Deepak_Dhakad Mauryans and Guptas had more wealth than Mughals.
I would love an understanding African civilization video cause as an African American born and raised in the U.S countryside it wasn’t talked about much if at all during my school years
Africa never had a civilization. They had tribes
There are five civilizations. Indian, Chinese, European, Mayan, and Mesopotamian.
Africa had empires before european colonization mind you but they like all other empires normally eventually will fell apart
Edit: yes there were also tribal civilizations but also actual big nation states like in egypt, north and east africa
@@Forbidden_Word Look at history, history disproves your claim Alexander.
Africa is to diverse for a single video I would instead expect a seperate video for swahili civ, sahel civ, ethiopian/horn african civ, and possibly a north african section to his islamic civ video.
6:36 weird school of thought!!!!
Really???
Almost everyone in the academic sphere believes that it was not an invasion but migration (not necessarily peaceful)
It's not Indian nationalists who say this but academicians say this
Your videos on culture are so well done and insightful. I learn so much every time I watch. Thank you
He's trash.
@@karanvarma4843 be nice :(
I live in Kochi, Kerala, India. The place I live in is a metro city with a storng Christian and Muslim minority. The city is becoming more westerner every year with restaurants, oversees education opportunities etc. Anyone who only speak English can get by here since most shops, directions, bus stops and railway stations use english billboards and signs where as the local language malayalam and Hindi is not common. Most people understand english adequately to communicate with foreigners. This city is a favorites of expats who live in the US, Uk and Australia. The state's politics is centre left therefore big factories are not present here atleast compared to our industrial neighbor Tamil Nadu. Our Malayalam Films along with Bengali movies tend to win most number national film awards.
Hello from your industrial neighbour Tamil Nadu! Kochi-Ernakulam is a beautiful city!
So whats the take. Being more western is some kind of trophy?
@@dynamitebsb4520 I know he said western, but I think he meant globalised. Kerala has a large number of people from the middle east, europe and America (mostly returning malayali expats). In contrast, the other megacities of the south (Chennai, bangalore) have a large number of Indians from across the country. (North, north-east, west etc.)
@@dynamitebsb4520 Well yeah in the case of Kerala. One of its main income sources aside from remitances from NRIs, is from Tourism. Its a beautiful, safe and calm places compared to northern India.
What about the communist party in power there....are you saying they are leftist?
As an Indian American I appreciate you talking about the subcontinent.
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Good morning sir
So go and watch carvaka podcast
@Safwaan Only you NRIs are obsessed with partition, nobody in India cares and have moved on. And most non-hindu "Indians" tend to hate everything about the country and find oppression, depression and what not in every little thing about India or Hindus so you are not unique
There are five Indians,
One, who will give his life on a platter if asked, the perfect soldier, who will march into the volley of cannons and Muskets, smiling and singing, who will give his life, if asked for,
The other, who will rebel and fight against the whole world, will give his life, to be free for 1 day then live his life in chains. A Perfect rebel, against the world and Society.
The third, a perfect Bureaucrat, will know the rule book better than you would.
The Fourth, The Poet, who wishes nothing of the world, and wants to be free, and just live his life the way he likes
The Fifth is the Priest, who will die rather then change the order which is already present
It’s an entire culture built on relieving yourself outdoors for the olfactory enjoyment of others.
1800s london?
@@akilaathi458 yeah they had bathrooms back then
@@brineonope, thames smelt so bad they had to fix it because it reached parliament
Vedas established the Varna system without explicitly restricting social mobility. Later on Brahmins and Kshatriyas monopolised the argument dooming Indians for eternity.
You are absolutely right,
Caste system paralysed India. It is a major factor why Indians never broke free unlike Europe.
Loving this so far👍
Can't wait for the next one.
I know as an Indian I’m happy most Indians realize the mistakes of the caste system. Glad it’s on it way out.
Vedas didn’t establish it. Ignore the vedas. They are spiritually dangerous.
And to curb the casteism and other superstitious issues..Swami Dayanand Saraswati(if you know him) Established an Organization called Aryasamaj.
Sad but those who fight for caste system never get much attention
Example Swami Vivekananda
Swami Dayanand Saraswati
Veer Savarkar
@@theemperor3557 there is no cast system all is British propaganda
As a neospenglerian myself, and a fan of Huntington, I’ve really been enjoying your “Understanding Civilization” series. Albeit with a different formula, I have for some time been considering making a similar series for my own channel, when I get the time to do so; and I find that when I don’t find the time to sit down and read, videos such as yours can be a nice alternative to get the cognitive juices flowing.
Congrats on your channel’s success, from one historian to another.
It's not history channel. It's some eurocentric fantasy channel
@@dynamitebsb4520 Eurocentric? Dude, his entire historical framework is fundamentally NON-Eurocentric! Whether he has read him or not, I don’t know, but WiAH’s outlook is borderline-Spenglerian!
If you want Eurocentric, go watch MonsierZ 🤣
@@ThePoliticrat You sound kind of spastic.
No excuses, make a video and see where it goes. I bet you could teach us something that was possibly missed or glossed over.
@@notsocrates9529 I plan on incorporating some of my own theories as well, particularly in how I am of the position that:
1. Islamic Civilization began with the feudalistic Parthians in the first century or so. The wars against Rome by the Sassanians were their equivalent of the Crusades (as they were to Europe). The Rise of Islam was their reformation, with Mohammed as a cross between Luther and Cromwell. Islamic Civilization finally ended with Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt.
2. Latin America is not a distinct civilization, and is merely a unique appendage of the West
3. There was another high civilization that proceeded classical civilization that I call “Greco-Aegean” or “Heroic”.
4. Sumerian/“Hashemic” Civilization was a completely separate civilizational entity from that of Mesopotamia & the near east
during the age of the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Israelites, and the Canaanites; the reason for their aesthetic and linguistic similarities is merely due to the incredible impact that the dead Sumerian culture had over the land by the time of “Irano-Semitic” civilization’s emergence around 1900 BC. This civilization then collapsed with the fall of the Achameniads.
Just some ideas.
Damn..that's a real good analysis. Kudos to you. Could you suggest any books to research Indian Anthropology. Thanks.
lmao he didnt even quoted or provide the reference/ citation. from where did he collected, some of that "misinformation" more like incomplete knowledge. How can you just believe everything he says? and still you call it a good analysis bruh dont forget in the end these people just want money... Better to research on your own and have some trust in your findings!.
Really great video 🔥❤️
Nice Effort but there are some things that do need to be said:
1.I just want to point out that in your map at 25:15, What you have labeled as "Travancore" is actually the Konkan Coast and while "Kerala" is roughly accurate, "Travancore" is southern Kerala. It would be like labeling Alabama as a country on the US-Canada border
2. As far as I know, Brahmins were always above Kshatriyas right from the earliest Rigvedic texts
3. The Mauryas and Guptas had a bureaucracy and standing army as per several texts of the time including Kautilya's Arthashastra and the Greek Ambassador Megasthenes.
4. As far as the Indus Valley/Harappan Civilization is concerned, the current scholarly consensus leans towards them being proto-Dravidian and not with the Dravidians being a separate race entirely.
The whole of West Coast now belongs to Kerala lol hahaha
He knows he just wants to ignore it.
He makes a lot of the maps himself and from memory apparently. Would be weird if he didnt make a few mistakes. I would say as long as it's mostly right its still useful as a visual aid.
@@ScubesFTW Oh yes, I do agree! Its impossible for everyone to know everything. But it is important to point out flaws/mistakes so that they can be corrected later.
He is pointing about Aryan Invasion lol. Even Aryan Race is obsolete. Pakistanis look european because Alexander ruled there. Iranians look like european too?. If anyone has doubts search about Persians or Parsi. Followers of Mazdayasna (Old Iranian religion). What atrocities Alexander and his generals committed in Persia. And Aryan Invasion theory was given by person who never travelled to india. Noone knew what india was.
Hey Rudyard, as an Indian, I can say that there is are indeed some inaccuracies.
1)The harrapan civilisation has more to do with local inhabitants of the indus valley than the dravidians. If you look at an ethic brahui and compare him to a tamil, he looks completely different although they are in the same language family.
2)Greeks were defeated by two rulers - pushyamitra sunga and kharavela.
Also Alexander the Great’s most powerful general, seleucus nicator was humbled by chandragupta when he tried to retake his indian territories from chandragupta.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Mauryan_war
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushyamitra_Shunga
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharavela
3) the first muslim invaders in india were the arabs, and not the turks. The arabs had some success initially but when they tried to attack deeper into india, they faced crushing defeats. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_campaigns_in_India
4) The peak of indian civilisation was the gupta empire as well when countless inventions happened. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire
5) You missed out on the fact that the caste system peaked at around the medieval era and began to be destroyed by the late medieval era.
Otherwise, its a good video.
Thank you
सही कहा 👍
Greeks also defeated by satavanhas , cheras & many others
Fun Fact, Im an Indian Nationalist, Im Bengali, Im Hindu and Im Gay ..... The Starter Pack for Indian Nationalist would be same as showing a European - Nazi Flag, Denying Holocaust, among others, Personally I can say Hinduism is one of the only religions that accept Diverse Sexuality but also venerate then, hence you would find the same sense of similarity in Thailand which is also part of the Indosphere following Dharmic Religions - Nepal being another one and Singapore joining recently.
My man i respect you being nationalist and a proud person but this guy is spreading misinformation about Aryan invasion and soo on so better do research of you're own
@@deku006 True
@@deku006 Aryan invasion is a Myth unless one thinks 3 to 4 centuries of migration would be considered as an invasion. DNA tests are proving that
As an Indian i can say....our civilizational goal is "being in a cosmic chaos and somehow go through it"...this is visible in our religion, politics, international diplomacy, thinking process, art,literature,decision making....etc....It have positives and negatives
Hey man, I want you to know that I like your videos so much, that one of them ("What if ancient Greece industrialized?") inspired me to write about an alternate timeline that just happen. I am still working on the first two centuries and I changed a few things that you mentioned, but overall it was still thanks to you that I started to write and investigate about the ancient world. Thank you.
Can you post it somewhere
Where to read it?
Please post it in this thread when you upload it.
@@jaydenchannak I would like to keep working on it before I show it to anyone (also it's in spanish).
But basically:
Before 400 BC.
Socrates is never born, so western philosophy becomes very different.
Pericles does not die in the plague of Athens and with his leadership and telling spartan slaves that they will be free, Sparta loses allies and have too many riots, thus, Athens wins the peloponesean war. The Delian league and Sparta becomes the Athenian Empire by 400 BC.
400 BC:
Many academias are built. They would all teach different topics, but some would develop a good reputation for certain things. One academy in Athens would excell at teaching math and politics, another in Athens excell for their discoveries in architecture and so on.
The concept of the atom from Democritus becomes relevant (Plato originally did not like the idea of the atom, so without him, the idea of the atom thrives). Democritus also invents the concept of "bastard and legitimate" knowledge (predecesor of the scientific method) and by the end of the century a philosopher like Francis Bacon would come up the actual scientific method.
Also, Gorgias, a philosopher who wrote "On the non-existence", becomes more relevant and presents the idea that maybe nothing exists. This in turn, make people wonder about the void and encourages the idea of the number 0.
They create the "language" of numbers. This helps them come up with arithmetic, algebra, trigonometry, the method of exhaustion (which was already originated by a philosopher called Anthiphon). All of this leads to applications to architecture, astronomy and the economy.
The empire would still have a democratic leader (choosen every 10 years), but it would also be ruled by mechantile classes, leading the way to early capitalism. In order to prevent a stigma against capitalism, all slaves that have a role related to money became a free citizen).
They introduced the theory of miasma, invent the antikythera mechanism is invented early, they create trebuchets and normalize the "greek fire", use perlite (a local natural resource) to filter water.
The Achaemenid empire takes control of Egypt as it did in our timeline, but this time the Athenians go to war with the Achaemenids because Egypt is an important exporter of food. The Athenians end up winning and end up conquering Egypt while they are at it. They also take part of the coast of Turkey. Some years later Macedonia (Alexander the Great is not born because of all the changes) goes to war with the achaemenids and accidentally attacks Athenian territory, thus getting in a war against the Athenians and losing, becoming a part of their empire.
300 BC:
They create Blast furnaces that allows them to manufacture better iron and steel for their weapons and armor, create rotation harvests, heavy plow, watermills, learn more about human anatomy (for example the circulation system), planispheres, they create rails (they already kinda had one in our timeline with the Diolkos road) and even invent an aelopile (though the metal is still not good enough to use it, so they start to make many factories around the empire). They also release all male slaves (ancient Greece was pretty sexist by our current standards, so the female slaves would be freed in the next century). However, even though there still be a lot of sexism, a lot of women had to work in the factories because a lot of men went to fight Rome (kinda like what happen in WWI and WWII), so it would still be better than in our timeline at the time.
They also go to war with a young Roman empire and defeats them, conquering Italy as well as the Ilyria (modern day Albania) and a bit more of what is noy Turkey. Also, they don't feel the need to fight Cartague since they don't mess with them, so the Cartague would still exist for many centuries here.
200 BC:
They finally can make metal that is good enough for the aelopile, so we start seeing steambots and steamships and even a few railroads, as well as steam shovels for construction and agriculture. This, combined with with the manufacture of better weapons and armor, allows the Athenian Empire to conquer most of the balkans (using the Danube river as a natural barrier like the Romans did in our timeline) and even France (Carthage took control of the Iberian peninsula like in our timeline, so they would defeat the Gaulish tribes and take that territory before Carthage can).
Also, they would not have gunpowder, but they would have very good crossbows and compound bows. Plus, on the american civil war, the south came up with a "steam gun" (that was more like a tank), that was pulled by horses and fired centrifugal rounds. It was not as accurate as weapons with gunpowder, but it was basic enough that one inventive athenian could make.
Because of the concept of the atom, they would start to make microscopes, though they would only be able to see a 100x, since is their first time making them, so it would still take them one or two more centuries before they can make one good enough to see the microscopic.
This would would also be the century were female slaves were freed, making slavery a thing of the past in the empire.
And that is most of what I got. Once I go further, I keep trying to consider all the changes made by the butterfly effect.
Aside from that, China would start to learn about steam technology and do research about it, a new religion would be created that united the empire that took into consideration all the changes that affected society (though I am still not sure about the details), the territory of Israel would still be a part of the Achaemenid empire (the jews would still exist in this timeline, but because the world would be different, their culture would "evolve" differently too).
The Athenians and Carthaginians would discover north america and central america respectively. The Athenians would use a river connected to the great lakes similarly to how the french did in our timeline and because of their technology, horses and weapons, they would win against the native americans (not to mentions the diseases they would bring with them). Meanwhile the Carthaginians would try make business with the mayans but would also kill a lot of them by accident because of the diseases. The old world diseases would spread to south america, killing a lot the people there and forming a new city there. And so, a new pre-incaic empire with the knowledge of the previous societies would be born.
However, after 1 or 2 centuries, and asian group of warriors similar to the Huns (but more technologically advanced) would invade Europe and a disease similar to the black plague would decimate the population of both Europe and China (Eurasia would be more connected in this timeline because of trade and war, so a plague would reach more people). Leaving the colonies in America to fend for themselves.
Thanks for asking, by the way.
@@Seaweedsz do you think this would would be a much better world
India's political influence might've been mediocre since it was made up of fragmented kingdoms for most of its passive history BUT its religious impact was one of, if not the greatest ever
Not greater than the Abrahamic religious surely?
@@nomanor7987 That argument is kinda debatable depending on the context, Dharmic/Indian religions directly originated from India while Abrahamic religions originated from 2 different regions hence can't be attributed to a specific country
@@nomanor7987 Yes and no.
India's political influence is much greater than you portray here, you should research more
@@gm-so2ld y’all Indians need to stop making shit up to make yourself feel good
I am an Indian. My thoughts, India is a capable of being a mother to the world. The reason is her culture. Yaadhum oore yaavarum kelir (Tamil) translates to all cities are my city and all people are my relatives. It has a huge heart. The compassion , openness, magnanimity is in the dna. One example is how India shared it covid vaccine with smaller countries who can’t do much to support India politically. India is inherently less biased, secular, tolerant towards different people. Muslims here are the most peaceful and happy here. Now the downside is India needs some time to bounce back economically as UK looted all the wealth. The other thing is India has to become clean 🧼. It will take another 50 years it sure will.
Haha! As an Indian when I see general UA-camrs explaining about India, has flaws. This is no difference. Maybe that's why people say India is so complex to explain. Rather one should start simpler.
Kerala is West's gateway into India owing to tbe historic Indian Ocean spice trade. Read about Kerala, it's a very fascinating place. Despite its Hindu roots, Kerala has the oldest Christian, Islamic and Jewish communities in World. Kerala was sort of a proto globalized place long before globalization ever became a thing owing to the place being the birth place many much vaunted spices.
Yes, because ports. And it wasn't exactly harmony and all roses.
Kerala pwoli alle 🔥
@@arunjohny pwoli aayirunnu pandu but then communists took power.
Thrissur Kochi belt had some of the oldest banks in India which funded spice trade but none of the scaled up after independence because of communists. Kerala is a huge case lost potential.
@@harshjain3122 It was harmonious. Look at Syrian Christians in Kerala for example. Their cultural practices have been perfectly blended with the brahmin and Nair practices. There is practically no religious violence in Kerala.
Cochin Jews are one of the very few Jewish communities across the world where Jews have never faced persecution.
Kerala was a big deal historically. Vasco da Gama didn't sail seeking India. He came seeking Kerala because that was where black pepper originated. On that note even Columbus was seeking a route to Kerala.
@@TheRishijoesanu that's cuz indians viewed Abrahamic religions like how Nordic folk religions viewed Christianity in UK(when they invaded them) i.e As something smaller than their base identity i.e 'if my whole lineage was hindu/pagan since the beginning of it's existence how would one dip in the water remove all of that from me?'
That's the reason, and it's pan India. The feeling later went away cuz one of the two aforementioned civilization vanished and ceased existing.
And Jews are talented merchant class. We always loved intellectually talented peeps. Kerela and Bengal more so(also historically more rich, casteist)
This is so interesting! I would love to see more on indian culture and religion, and its history and relevance today.
Better follow some better reliable source than his video.
@@reddragon100 true
He have a lot of good points but he is on drugs. India doesn't have the quality to match Middle-east or China. Buddhism is more a Tibetan thing. Also their ideas is just crazy. It is a culture of destruction - like Shiva. It is all bs.
Also, his understanding about Islam and Muslim world area is lacking. Just to pint one thing: There is a massive difference between Islam and culture. Because Islam comes above cultures. It is not a culture and in some ways it is anti-culture on philosophical level. But, there is still manythings done in Muslim world that is not part of Islam that which Islam doesn't care about and/or things which is unIslamic that Islam tries to end. Depending on how knowledge the people are including religious and philosophical knowledge either up or down depending on the age and stiuation going on the bs in those cultures despair or comes into surface. Not all Muslims or so called muslims or done in Muslim world means necessarily it is part of Islam or accurate. That is not talking about that all humans sin too and that is why there is hell and punishments if proven in court.
China might have the state stronger but it is far more complete and perfect beautiful than India.
Hinduism is pure paganism and evil of the highest level and ignorance.
If you want to look into the ancient Indian world and their insane architecture, check out Praveen Mohan on UA-cam. His channel has some fascinating stuff.
@@haroldfarquad6886 agree
Excellent work 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
True Indian History
So the big takeaway should be India is the wildcard civilization
After having just watched the reupload of the Southeast Asian civilization video, I didn't expect this so soon
Nice profile pic. Jossito Musstalin is based.
As an Indian, one thing I would like to point out is that the caste system wasn't a monolithic institution in Indian history.
Caste system in Ancient India, was primarily similar to the Estates System of Medieval Europe, in that, yeah much of how you would be perceived in the society would be decided by the caste system, but there was no restriction on changing jobs. We have accounts of peasants becoming nobility, Brahmins becoming merchants and whatnot. Hell, even the rulers of Nanda and Mauryan Empires, were from lower castes as is well documented.
The caste system as we know it developed in the Early Middle Ages, as the Old Gupta Empire fell into decadence and ruin. Genetic studies point out to a bottleneck in Indian genepool in 600 AD, which is exactly when the Guptas fell out of power.
Otherwise, it is a quite good and rational approach taken about. You are doing good man, and you must not fear those wretched trollers.
But Caste in India influences who you marry. This creates genetic bottlenecks .
@@nomanor7987 not if the population bred like rats. You do realize for 5k castes we have 1.7 billion people. Interbreeding and marriage within families happen but are avoided thankfully. I'm not removing the fact that the caste system WILL one day catch up to us haha, or even that its an outdated, obsolete system for the country preventing it from reaching its full potential, but ah well...
@@nomanor7987 this happened far later when the system became rigid.
@@clownsama2278 what you mean by rats, population explosion happened because of the land was fertile and we had rise to eat like china.
@@clownsama2278 also caste is nothing but a mixture of varna and jati system being misunderstood as being one. And there weren't 5k anything
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Great video! I would only like to point out that the Basque countries and Sardinia were relatively left out from the Indo-European invasions, at least from a linguistic point of view, and although Sardinia now has been long latinized the majority of the place names and a lot of plant names and other words are infact pre-Indo-European, being the Nuragic civilisation probably founded by the descendants of the European neolithic farmers.
Thanks for posting that.
Been waiting for this one. He's finally done it!
I respect India a lot more now. Due to their preservation of peoples.
>Preservation of people's?
What?
@@demun6065 4000 year native reservations thing.
They keep sub-cultures alive despite the proximity.
@@purpledevilr7463 yes, but it's via the caste system...
@@demun6065 yeah…
I can respect the results if not agree with the methodology.
@@purpledevilr7463 fair enough
’NATURE’ A scientific journal has done a research of now dried river Saraswati in that they found out it started to dry down in 6000 bc .
So the last time Saraswati river was in full force was about 8000 years ago.
Interestingly in the RIG VEDA it is clearly mentioned the Saraswati river is a big river and mother of floods.
So clearly Hinduism and the Sanskrit language is at least 8000 years old.
Can you please list of primary sources where you get this knowledge??
Already commented this under another video but I think it would be interesting if you made a video about how contact with an extraterrestrial civilisation might affect human society
I think it would entirely depend on the nature of the contact and the civilization.
Would it be conquest through arms like e.g. in the Independence Day movies, conquest/near genocide through plague like in the UFO games or a peaceful contact like Vulcans landed on Earth in the Star Trek franchise?
something interesting to consider is that there might not be any extraterrestrial civilizations for a while. you have to remember that the universe is currently very young. we are orbiting a yellow star, which has a quick lifespan compared to red giants. its likely alien life will evolve on those planets orbiting red suns as they have more time to get life and make civilizations and what not.
if anything, it will likely be humans and our great great ancestors that are the ones who encounter other civilizations which would be primitive and likely in a pre industrial society
a more interesting video would be how would human nature and society react to this? would we take the darwinistic approach and say we need this planet's resources and basically become the combine from half life 2? or would be try to enlighten the civilizations and make them into a client states (or, client planet i guess)? or would we decide that we should leave the civilization alone to grow on its own?
honestly it would super interesting to see a future human race decide how to go about these differences and how we should deal with it.
it would go down the same way the colonization of the americas went down imo
It would be like Europe visiting Africa, Asia and America.
It would be like Jesus, Bhuda and A god king.
It would be like America unleashing the power of the sun.
It would be like the Mongol conquest of Eurasia.
It would be like nature channel, they watch quietly.
Read “the 3 body problem” does a good job building a world that has made contact with aliens
You are wrong about US and Indian reservation.
India gives reservation benefits to not only tribal people but also people from lower class.
US reservation is a small self governing territory given to native inside the country while reservation in India are entirely different thing.
Reservation in India means that government gives special percentage of reserved seats to tribals and people from lower class community in government jobs and college to help them lift up in society.
In those reserved seats, only students from that community can be present although they can claim the rest.
For example- If there are 100 seats in college where 15 seats are given to lower caste community, then those 15 seats can only have people from lower caste community meanwhile they can also be present on rest 85 as well if they score well in general category.
Reservation benefits are also given to lower caste community and tribal people in things like lower college fee, some social schemes, lower prices for forms and documents, increased age limit in applying for govt. position etc.
It is given to lift them to equal level in society and as a compensation for the hardship they faced for last 3000 years.
Yeah, right bro
@@reddragon100 I already liked it :)
Last 1000*
Before that we had rulers like Chandra Gupta maurya
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@@kkkk25yearsago79 Waiting for whom?
Set comments to most recent for hordes of Indian nationalists condemning history as coloniser propaganda.
a couple are saying its fake news too, this isnt news lmao
@@tysonwastaken
Ive argued with many Indian nationalists online and its impossible to persuade them to not to believe that Britain is the cause for all their problems.
You can try to build common ground by admitting many of the wrong thing they did but even then they wont acknowledge Britain did good things too.
They say things like, "All the European monuments and cathedrals are products of stealing from countries like India and colonialism" but refuse to accept that the most iconic Indian building, the Taj Mahal, was literally built by slave labour, which isn't the case for European 18-19th century monuments.
They don't know or don't care about the massive damage Muslim invasions did to the land but only focus on European colonialism, i think its because they believe they can pressure reparations from guilty western countries whereas muslim countries don't care about historical genocide and plundering of non-believers.
I know its hilarious.
It is interesting of the relation of genetics and cast that you talked about never thought about it that way.
I took a course on India in college and tried to read up on it in my spare time. I was often confused by what I found and this explains alot of the gaps, namely why so much of the history is cultural/religious and not political/diplomatic like most other civilizations. Very interesting, I appreciate the effort.
This video is balant propaganda
Because of cultural and religious revolution in mediaeval period I can say!
@@prakxyzhow so?
@@gm6393 he's pulling only from western sources and archaic accounts of India, through the eyes of British colonials. Even the "aryan vs dravidian" divide was devised by British census agents, and their current day agency even admitted to doing so and apologised.
They used a racist method of scientific categorization to group us by nose size and cranial frame, where have you heard that before. The same people actual wrote the sources this video is pulling from, it's obvious. And he conveniently forgets the massive impact Islamic turkic rule had through invasions, and the trauma of forced conversions etc. Instead, it's Hinduism = backwards and primitive and evil. Utter nonsense, and it is a bigoted view agreed upon by all western historians.
Read Greek traveler 'Megasthenes' account of his travel to South India you will get the real rich economical and Political history of India. Most of current information is falsely translated hate propaganda by western missionaries or East Indian company terrorists who wanted to loot Indians and wrote with ulterior motives.
Indian civilisation is the one in most dire need for more educational resources about it, you've made a good contribution to correcting that problem.
Bruh this video is not fact, just some ignorant european way of looking at India.
1) There is no evidence to assert that the nobles in the Indus valley civlization looked middle eastern, and the commoners were dravidian as this video insinuates. Just because america has a racial and color based hierachy does not mean that every country shares that regressive thought.
2) There is no substantial evidence to ever prove that the "aryans" invaded India and opressed the dravidians. These were theories peddled by the british empire to divide the population and create internal conflict so that people are busy fighting each other.
3) In your indic civlization. map, you show regions like afghanistan, kashmir, western pakistan as part of the middle east? guess what, these regions were present in the mauryan empire. They were in the Indic sphere of influence.
4) You mention that the Indian nationalist does not like people from lower caste?? the president of India is a tribal woman, the PM Modi is a lower caste man. This is once again, nothing more than ignorance. There are 200+ million dalits in India, do you think any political party can survive in India if it does not appeal to the masses like dalits etc?
The thing is, white people were racist toward black people. So they come to India and say, oh yeah sure, the light brown people surely opress the dark brown people.
5) You say that the mahabharata had a similar plotline to the Illiad? Well guess what 1) The mahabharata was wayyy longer than the Illiad. 2) The mahabharata was a war for the succession for the throne of Hastinapur. The Illiad was about some people stealing another man's wife, and provoking war. Where is the similarity?
Also, you say that the Bhagwad gita is similar to the bible? wtf? The bible has clear commandments, and rules for being christian. The Bhagwad gita is a philosophical discourse on the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna. It talks about the concept of dharma, or duty. It has no "commandments" about being Hindu per say.
You yourself said, you dont know much about Indian civilization. So dont peddle such nonsense without doing research.
ikr! I've seen indian comments on similar topics and the shit they write about seems like the biggest asspull to me. Something similar to how the balkans write about their countries.
He added to the problem by throwing in 19th century racial psuedoscience into it.
Correction lol ,he sounds like racist towards other civilization
Correction 🤣🤣he still beleives in Aryan picnic theory 🤣🤣.. outdated fellow
as an indian, i approve of this video
Your comment on genomic data and the Indo-European language system is correct. Look up the recent developments in those to get some update.
@Whatifalthist As an Indian I would like to appreciate your efforts in order to investigate the most complex civilization in History. But you're wrong on certain points, especially the caste system. To understand the complexity of Indian civilization John Keay is a good introductory material but it is written for a casual European reading Indian History. You should refer these books to understand the Indian thought on politics, religion, language, sciences etc:
1. The History and Culture of the Indian People by Dr. RC Majumdar (11 Volumes)
2. History of Dharmaśāstra by PV Kane (6 Volumes) (Volume 2 deals with Caste System in Detail), (This book is used in many Indian Courts for interpretation of Customs in Hindu Law)
3. Arthshastra by Kautilya (translated in English by RP Kangle) (Arthshastra is a voluminous work dealing with statecraft, polity, law, beaurocracy, social structure, espionage, foreign policy, war, economy etc.)
Kaultaliya is basically Sun Tzu+Machiavelli+Adam Smith+Han Feizi
4. Corporate Life in Ancient India by RC Majumdar
5.Military History of India by Sir Jadunath Sarkar
6. Hindu Polity by Dr. KP Jayaswal
7.A History of Indian Literature (Set of 30 Volumes) (Indian Literature is 95% secular and only 5% religious)
8. History of Science in India (Set of 11 Volumes)
Most of these are available in Archive.org for free. I can recommend 100 more books but these are a good starting point.
Y’all cringe Jeez just accept the fact caste system existed instead of making shit up to make yourself feel good
@@harlowida Who said caste system didn't exist, it did but it is not as simplistic as it is being potrayed. To determine a caste birth alone is not a criteria there are a thousand of rules to determine caste stated in the Mimansa Sastra of Jaimini. And I have already provided enough material to read what caste is all about.
14:48 we dont know much about their cultures, but in spain there is a whole language (basque) which is preindoeuropean, and the preindoeuropean iberian language still existed when the romans conquered spain. also there are many place names in basque and basque loanwords in spanish and other romance languages. i always found it interesting because it is a small glimpse into preindoeuropean culture still alive.
Is it true that the Basque are the direct descendents of the first modern human settlers that replaced the Neanderthals in the Iberian region?
@@dozerthemongrel6630 Yes. Before the romans, the basques were probably the closest thing you would see from a old european settler.
He also ignored Nordics being mixed with I1 oldeuropeans what couldn't possibly not keep old words in that isolated parts of Europe. Also the whole premise that Indoeuropean language in European version is clean as original from steppe is stupid. PIE is a reconstruction made from comparing many later IE dialects from Europe and Asia and nobody knows if it ever existed in one form in one place.
Also he doesn't inform that there was a first wave from Kurgan culture which didn't went far from eurosteppe but reached Greece and Poland - these herders weren't adapted to nongrasslands. What moved next was already influenced by these incorporated farmers of f.e. globular amfora culture. Corded ware was a next huge wave and it wasn't only R1b haplogroup moving anymore (contained also I2) and they were going into Europe already decimated by plague. So the IE language that was invading could already be rich with new elements.
It was the same as Slavs migrating to Balcans after black death and not many Illyrian originals survived.
Every conquered ethnicity with new elite which didn't have own writing system after phase of states being built in Europe lost their original culture and was integrated by reeducation. Examples are plenty as ExSlavs in northeast Germany or Hungary, Goths in Crimea and Spain, gothic Vandals in West Slavia.
Basque is a really interesting remnant of earlier Europeans but genetically fully replaced so we don't know what ethnicity was replaced keeping older culture. From such fact somebody could claim these were different confederated nonIE speaking IE clans from steppe - how could you know if it's not like Hungarians? haha But in their case crazy thing is Basque isolation in mountains and insanely high blood rH- that causes blood conflicts and babies dying what suggests a biological mechanism that could affect translation of culture being primed for mother language & promoting maybe matriarchal type od culture.
History of Albion island is a total 90%+ replacement of earlier king-gods bloodlines. What hints things as Christians seeing Aztec rituals or Romans being shocked of Phoenician rituals - "Look these savages are more savage than us, inbreeding brothers and sisters, breeding with them may be a curse & defective".
And he also didn't mention that before IE ppl reached whole Europe people there were already wiping themselves on big scale every time bigger pots culture emerged replacing around 50% of conquered neighbours.
And we can expect strong language from earlier time only from Iberian and Balcan refugia and that's exactly where we see one older language in each left. People were scarcer in Europe earlier and farmers who emerged in bigger nrs emerged exactly the warmer south with farming technology outnumbering hunters gathers from north fast.
We usually always see something representative left from something big enough earlier by natural probability luck. Probably by luck fourth would be some remnant of these inbreeding god-kings Lang words integrated into dialects of Celtic in Scotland & Ireland.
@@ebrelus7687 Ok im probably the first person to read all this and while i didnt understand much i just gotta explain something to you.
Celtic isn't a language its a family of language. Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are not dialects of anything they are their own languages. (though scottish gaelic comes from Irish gaelic which most scottish gaels dont even know hah)
He did not say anything about the Sarasvati river because the Sarasvati river was also in the past, the proof of this raised the biggest question mark on the Aryan Invasion Theory. The Dravidians were forced to move to the South because the reason for this is not that the Aryans forced them, but that the Sarasvati river had dried up
Yes I was searching for this comment. Dude why there is nobody he said a debunked theory in his video and promoted propaganda 😡
All in all, a pretty decent analysis. I won't point out the stuff that you left out, or the accuracy of which is debated. It's all been covered by others in the comments, & it all adds another level of complexity you don't need at this point in your understanding of India. I'd be delighted to oversimplify it for you, though! The North was conquered by many other cultures, many times, & the influence of these cultures is evidenced even today. Much less so in the South.
You simply MUST make India your top priority in terms of travel, & you should plan on staying 3-4 months MINIMUM. You'll barely scratch the surface in that amount of time. I've been 8 times, & if I had my druthers, I'd pack up & move there to live out the rest of my life in a heartbeat. I love that Country & its people! Go soon & return often!
After your trip, you should make a video about how Indian culture has impacted OTHER cultures, like Great Britain & Portugal. And how the gypsies originated from India, migrated to places like Romania, & still retain pieces of their Indian origins today.
I'd also like to hear your take on modern India's positioning as a possible political & economic power in the future. Technology, agriculture, textiles, minerals & gemstones, the conflict with Pakistan, BRICS, the Rupee, a possible new world reserve currency collab between China & Russia. Where does all that put India on the World stage as we progress through the 21st Century? 🧡🇳🇪💚 ✌🏼
In 500 bce not only north India became Iron age civilization but South did too
Tamil kingdoms had iron age weapons in that Era too!
Beyond informing us you inspire us to learn more. Thanks, Whatifaltist
This channel is insane. I literally have to put off watching these videos for a few days until I have 100% focus/free time, or else I miss all the juicy details. There's no watching 'WhatIfAltHist' while cooking dinner, for example, as there is with other UA-camrs... Because ever second is jam-packed with fascinating info.
Tried to get my mates into this channel, but they're too stupid to appreciate the genius of Rudyard.
And you mentioned about about archeological evidence supporting AIT I would like to see that and chariotes and early horse were present as we have found from sunauli excavation
24:25 Devnampiya Priydasi Raja Ashok's Ashokan Edicts (Pillars, Rock) are in Brahmi script and Kharosthi script, in North West it is in Greek and Aramaic.
@Whatifalthist Officials of Mauryan Bureaucracy:
1. Maha Mantrin: Prime Minister
2.Maha Amatya:
Head of Council of Ministers
3. Purohita: Chief Priest
4. Senapati: Commander In Chief
5. Yuvaraj: Crown Prince
6.Samaharta: Foreign Minister
7. Yukta: Home Secretary
8. Sulkaadhyaksha: Superintendent of tolls
9. Prashasti: Head of Prisions
10. Sannidata: Auditor General
11. Koshadhyaksha: Head of Treasury/ Finance Minister
12.Koshthagaradhyaksha: Revenue Collector
13. Nayaka: Security In Charge of the Capital
14. Vyavharika: Chief Justice of the Royal Court (Supreme Judicial Officer
15. Karmantika: Head of Industries & Factories
16. Dandapala: Head of Police
17. Durgapala: Head of Royal Fortifications
18.Annapala: Head of Food grains Department
19.Rajjukas: Officers in charge of land measurement and boundary-fixing
20. Pradeshika: District administrator
21. Akaradhyaksha: Head of Mining Department
22.Lauhadhyaksha: Head of Metallurgy Department
23. Lakshanadhyaksha: Head of the Royal Mint
24. Lavanadhyaksha: Officer of salt department
25. Swarnadhyaksha: Head of Gold Reserves
26. Ayudhadhyaksha: Weapon manufacturing & defence department
27. Kunyadhyaksha: Officer of forest
28. Panyadhyaksha: Office of commerce department
29. Manadhyaksha: Office of time & place determining
30. Sunadhyaksha: Slaughter-house officer
31. Mudradhyaksha: Officer of Royal Seals
32. Dyutadhyaksha: Head of Gambling Department
33. Naukadhyaksha: Head of Shipping
34. Pattanadhyaksha: Officer of Port
35.Pulisanj: Public relations officers
36. Pauthavadhyaksha: Superintendent of weights and measures
37. Sitaadhyaksha: Superintendent of agriculture
38. Pathadhyaksha: Officer of Royal Roads
Thank you! We should go back to using these names - they sound so cool!
I think not being hindu part in 3:18 is incorrect.
It is more like not being Indic.
Also, India has given rights to lgbtq community and both right and left support it.
Indian civilisation has been most supportive of lgbtq community in past compared to west and middle east.
Yes, they are called trithiya-prakriti and are mentioned in many ancient Indian texts
That's because what people do in private is of no concern but Abrahamic religion take offence with that as there are specific commandments against LGBT in Bible/qoran.
Lol does anyone see his bias,He shows other civilization as barbarians/inferiors,If he comes to Europeans he says they were enlightened and superior.
@@dharmrakshak6735 ya, we should be very careful while watching videos like these. He hasn't even cited a single source. He just wants us to know that he has read 1000s of pages - source - trust me bro?
Also that meme at the start was so cringe, lol, whatsapp forward vibes.
@@kap. I am glad newer generations aren't just simps for whites as used to be earlier. These people, the UA-camrs themselves are soaked into propaganda fed to them by their government and establishment so no offense to them but Indians gotta be careful.
The Indian Civilization is considered from 3000 BC so it is atleast 5000 years old not 4000 years old.
You are amazing ❤
Love this series. Happy to see a new video from it 👍🏻
The map you used in thumbnail certainly doesnt represent indian culture as whole !
Indian culture is not bound only to india ,
It extends in whole indian subcontinent.
However , i will edit tghs comment/post new one as per my thoughts and views(opinions) after watching full video
He is just repeating everything Western-centric scholars have already said. They know very little about Indian society, history or culture. They just see Indians as a frozen-stagnant ancient society and study us like they study the ancient greeks.
No it doesn't. In fact, the river that "India" is based off isn't even inside India, lol.
@@GrigRP If you are referring to the Indus (Sindhu) River, then you are mistaken. The river does originate in the modern-day Republic of India and flows out to the sea through the modern-day Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Neither of these two states existed back then. It was just one continuous civilization. Our native name was Bharatvarsh or Jambudvipa. Foreigners called as Al Hind, Hindusthan, India, Yindu, Tianzhu etc.
@@GrigRP It is based inside India flowing through Ladakh and Kashmir.
@@krishnkant9477 It's not based inside India. The origin is in China. Stop with the scams.
3:20 If I'm British, or feel patriotic towards Britain, would that also piss off an Indian Nationalist?
It's not our colour, race, caste or language that keep us together. It's our shared stories, stories of Gods, of glories, of pride and sufferings, of sacrifices, of Dharma, of love, of exceptional people. As long as these stories are intact, 1.4 billion Sapiens leaving in India will keep rising together.
That is why foreign attackers not only does physical assault, they keep attacking our stories - to keep us devided and exploit us again. We'll hold against them and their stories.
World is a family and a strong India necessary for a better world.
Iv been waiting for this video for ever
Love from PAKISTAN
Ha
Love form India
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@@ruskyalmond1977 (:
From Missouri USA 😛 a world away hi 👋
some areas of the Philippines should be included in the maps of Indian influence you were showing. We were a part of the Maritime trade between China and India/Middle East and we looked towards Malaysia/Indonesia for cultural advancement before the Spanish conquest.
You should make a video on book recommendations. What did you read about India?
I'm pretty sure he sights his sources at the beginning. He has a goodreads account that catalogs all the books he's read, so you can look that up.
Every time I think of the Indo-Aryan invasion of India, this little jingle pops into my head, "New arrivals in India! Maybe it was those horse people I was talking about, or their cousins or something... And they wrote some hymns and mantras and stuff!"
Bill Wurtz history of the world?
@@arunjohny Yes indeed.
There was no invasion it's migration.
There was no invasion, Sanskrit is an Indian language.
@@YashSharma-zp8yu denial.
That thing about an iroqouis community in the city working construction is hilarious as it literally happened. Iroqouis were heavily involved in high steel construction in NYC as the skyscrapers went up, and maintained their identity doing so. The tribe has made a whole documentary about it, they're very proud of their fearless skyscraper builders.
How cool is that!
Wow, awesome
Much better title would be ‘ History of North Indian Civilisation’ .However these videos are the most comprehensive and accurate independent observation on Indian history, mostly .
It's not even accurate 😂 why are you wasting your time
@@deku006its pretty damn accurate. About north india. He didnt consider south india as a seperate entity., as in reality history of south india is different.
@ᗩTTᖇI ДΓΓЯI This guy said mostly about history of North India., thats what I meant.
@@sigmarules9429 there was no Aryan invasion ☠️☠️ it's been proven
@@sigmarules9429 YK south indian and north indian have same paternal DNA
2:17 grain deal relevant right now
I think this was the most honest attempt to portray India. Leaving few points aside. Keep going!
Out of curiosity, how is ancient India usually portrayed? Also, what points where inaccurate?
@@RealLifeIronMan I've not finished the video yet, but one glaring mistake is the name of Chnadragupta's mentor - his name was Chanakya, not whatever he said (sounded like count-chila)
Edit: he said Kautilya, I jus didn't understand the accent lol
@@RealLifeIronMan quite a few, the biggest mistake is that he's trying to understand india and our culture from a western perspective. Mostly telling what the West tells about india while here and there referencing some indian vedic texts.
@@RealLifeIronMan caste itself is misunderstood not his mistake it's misunderstood by even indians. Another mistake is about the aryan invasion stating it completely right while it's more nuanced than that because no invasion happened. More of a migration or assimilation and vedic culture originated in India.
@@Naveen-tq7cg According to wikipedia he is identified as both Chanakya and Kautilya
This video was a painful watch because of the source material. Buddhism as Protestant Hinduism, the lack of historical stories and memes of the mythical Aryan invasion be it from the supposed invader or the indvaded, the charge of lack of literature when 99% of the known records in possession are yet to be transcribed or transliterated, the imposition of political themes be it modern India, colonial, oritentalist and panhistory. The perpetually fixed caste system. So many wrong things once you familiarise yourself within the culture. Just a personal anecdote, my Brahmin ancestry is from Haritas who was a Kshatriya who became a Brahmin. His father was "Yavanshwa"(literal translation Greek horse). My patrilineal haplogroup is L-M20 and my skin tone is wheatish while my extended family is a whole gradient between dark skinned to fair.
Thanks to the "Marxist school", India seems to be this history and context neutral ground where a hypothesis can be imposed.
Yep, rightly said bro. This guy is just spreading the false narratives written by indophobic western authors.
Indian fvck-boi spotted
This video made it pretty clear. Boo hoo cry me a river and do your own research poopskin
Mauryans did have centralised administration as written in Indica. Also read about Ashoka.
What's your source for the caste system being stronger in South India than North India? (8:50) The reading I've done suggests the opposite, and I've also visited both regions and have noticed caste being markedly more important in the north. I'd also argue you're attributing way too much to the caste system, both in its contribution to the modern stability of India and to it holding India back in terms of social advancement. I'd argue the same for how you suggest Indian culture influenced its history and state-building processes. I think a more plausible explanation involves to the density of India throughout history. India is far denser than the three other Afro-Eurasian civilization groups you define, and as a result of that, diverse cultural groups are of equivalent population in India compared to the rest, but are much smaller in geographic size. This makes conquest and empire building easy. Empires can hold the same size as equivalent Chinese dynasties, European kingdoms, or Middle Eastern/North African states, but that equivalent size means a much larger cultural diversity. Such diversity makes a larger, unified state much easy to create but hard to maintain, and results in more feudal and more weak control. This naturally leads to their collapse. I think this is a more reasonable justification for why empires like Maurya never reached the longevity or apparatus of power that their Roman and Han counterparts reached. (And for the caste system, while it did hinder things like meritocracy and natural love, this is the norm for human civilizations. I doubt the caste system was any more detrimental than feudal or monarchical structures in Europe or the system of dynasties in China.)
Really looking forward to the next part of this!
@ 7:58 wrt Spoken Languages
1. Jammu & Kashmir are a Union Territory with Kashmiri spoken in Kasmir and Dogri spoken in Jammu.
2. After bifurication Ladakh is a Union Territory by itself, with Ladakhi, Purkhi and Hindi as the languages spoken.
3. Uttarakhand/Uttaranchal : Primary Language is Hindi but seccond most spoken are Garhwali, Kumaoni. Urdu is at just above 4%
4. There is a huge gap between primary language and secondary langue in most states. Genereally split is 90:10.
I know this a video on India, but I wonder if you would do a video on the cultural significance of bar b que in America. Through my journey of the mastery of the pit, I shed a lot of prejudice, and came to realize how connected Americans are. Bar b que is one of America's cultural gifts.
I think you could consider the Basque peoples and some Caucuses peoples to be pre Indo-European natives that have survived.
Also Finland and Estonia
@@emilv.3693 Their language is not an Indo European language but genetically they're pretty much Indo European.
@@gerbilassassin3850 What group their languages come under?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu Uralic
@@emilv.3693 They came later. Uralic/Ugric people were true northmen but of Asia. Only Hungarians migrated closer Caucasus south.
I like listening to these as a introduction to a region and then find some good books on it. This is a nice summary which normally doesn't seem biased. Shout out to India from America - we should be friends
you might be glad to know that we are. for the most part at least XD
@@shimo_sama lol lets be friends ! We can trade together and stuff. Christians and Hindus should help each other and party together !
@@joenichols3901 like I said, we are friends 😂. India and America as pretty solid geopolitical partners and we do a shit ton of trade with each other asw. Both of your major parties have a favourable view of india and the general populace here is quite enamoured with America asw. 🫂
@@shimo_sama haha hell yeah !! the general populace here in enamored with India too ! I do a ton of backpacking and there are about ten or so areas I plan on backpacking in India one day !! Very beautiful country with a ton of unique wildlife/wilderness to explore.... except the tigers/elephants scare me a bit ! Best of luck friend from Florida, USA
@@joenichols3901 hey that's amazing to hear. Hope u have a great experience the next time u visit! Plus good luck to u guys asw with ur midterms and shit. Wishing the best for u 👍🏻
FYI ST ARE TRIBES BUT NOT AS IN INDEGENIOUS BUT IT'S A TRIBAL RESERVATION FOR TRIBAL PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW TRIBAL RELIGION AND NOT MAIN RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD SOME OF THE TRIBES WERE LATE ENTRIES INTO THE SUBCONTINENT LIKE THE AUSTROLOIDS IN EASTERN SIDE OR BIHAR-ODISSA BELT
Thank you..
I think the word "invasion" suggested some sort of centrally planned, unified military activity, there is no evidence to suggest the Aryans has anything of the sort, there may have been fighting but it was also between different Aryan tribes as well as with original inhabitants, thus the word migration makes more sense
Kinda agree with this
He is eurocentric...if there were invasion it would have been mentioned in the Vedas...vedas is actually the biography of the Aryans and how they migrated. There's no mention of war with the natives, the only war is the war of the 7 aryan tribes
@@dynamitebsb4520 Vedas are a kind of legend, a mix of both reality and fiction.
Reading Veads can help someone to get clues about the history of Indo-Aryans but it wrong to say that it is a history.
They are just like any other religious text which a a blend of myth and reality.
And Veads were composed orally in 1500 BC, but were not written as recent as 200 AD. This means for nearly 2000 years, the knowledge of Vedas was transferred orally and during such events, a lot of new cultural myths gets added up to the orally composed texts. The same case is with Mahabharata. At different points of time, we get different types of Mahabharata in which there is addition of new myths in newer Mahabharata versions.
@@krishnkant9477 haha... even the western historians themselves agree that there was oral tradition of vedas since 2nd millennium, as old as 2500 bce, especially after they found the mittani inscription in syria. It's is ordering of stanzas that took place in 1500 bce. The aryan language is transmitted sound by sound.
@@krishnkant9477 and a lot of cultural myths doesn't get added up. That's the whole point, it has a strong technique of passing of the sounds. The sounds were passed, still some of the sounds weren't decoded even today.
I would think Indian civilization is both the best and worst mankind has to offer on a macro-cultural-societal sense. It's old as time itself, being possibly the oldest of all civilizations, combing urban, tribal, and hunter gatherer elements into a beautiful patchwork that forms the basis of the entire civilization. And throughout most of it's history, it managed to be both big, wealthy, and pompous, yet somehow quiet and out of view. It is a beautiful stained glass window, constantly being added and rarely subtracted from to create a true gradient of all colors of mankind. However that comes at great cost, a caste system that has cause countless tears, and oppressive government after weak administration that cannot prevent this.
Honestly one of my favorite regions on Earth.
The caste system is an EXTREMELY misunderstood concept. There was no concept of "caste" in ancient India as such, rather the earliest foundational compositions of Hinduism only mention that labour and job roles are divided and it is best if everyone does their job to the best of their ability. There are many excerpts to show that "caste" was flexible (like changing a job.) and that there was no actual hierarchy between the castes. Even when Xuanzhang visited India in the 5th century, he was surprised at how equal and free the society was compared to his Chinese homeland, where slavery and oppressive laws were the norm. Castes in the form they existed later on were due to the actions of some in the scholar/priests community (who changed religious compositions to suit them as they were the most literate) and due to formalisation of the system under the British. Based on the original scriptures, varna is your job.
As for "oppressive government", please go to India and see how "oppressive" they are. The western media is a joke when it comes to propaganda. Don't forget that the ideology of the government aims to unite all the indigenous religions of India as one people regardless of "caste".
India was the most influential country in the world before industrialization, so I wouldn’t say it was “out of view”, only out of view from the viewpoint of Europe. Even then, india had the most effect on europe out of any Asian country east of Iran. Also, caste system did not become rigid and as oppressive until recently due to incredible societal pressures such as Turkish invasions in 1300s and European rule in 1800s. But other than that, india actually had the most equal major society in the world, in fact lords in india weren’t even owners of peasants, but just tax collectors while peasants usually owned their own land. This caste system was detrimental to society nonetheless though, and is the reason for the downfall of india from great power status
@@zuesmaya8167 The more I read the comments of these misunderstood people. The more I realise that WiAH hasn't done a great job here
Watch:
Top TEN Misconceptions about HINDUISM
on youtube for more info
Which country you are from? Love from India.
It would be a great pleasure for us if you visit India and experience the diverse cultute and traditions .
would love to someday...
No thanks
@@dibassarkar2898 Why
9:24 I am entirely sure that the pie chart belongs to Nepal and not to India.
Correct
I just got assigned a project in school to do a presentation about Indian culture, thank you for saving me a 6 hour research session
this is not a good source
Only if your teacher has no knowledge of Indian culture or history would you use this guy as a source 😅
Only if your teacher do not know about Indic civilisation, then use it
Which country you are from?
@@jordanazevedo5688 Are you from India?