This game writing was so strong that its affected every subsequent playthrough for me in a way where I cannot in good conscience play as low honor arthur. Ever
I’m low honour Arthur atm and loving it! Did a 100 percent high honour run when the game came out but tbh this low honour run has been so much more memorable and enjoyable! Arthur and antagonise are a chefs kiss together 😂
It really does. And what I found interesting was that as Arthur got sicker, the more the camp and relationships fell apart. Like the spirit of the camp got its own disease and slowly died
@@JayAshBranAudioScripts dont forget the vision he gets of seeing his "spirit" animal slowly becoming closer and closer... the game itself is just a piece of art. I member when i played good Honor i think it was a bucket but doing the evil one you had a big black wolf ... it think its just very creative and symbolic actually carrying to deliver a message.
I just finished the game last week never thought a game character would make us so emotional. I stopped playing after Abigail moved in the new land. Couldn't bare Arthur's death and now john ? I just don't want to witness another death.
Of course, it depends on the doctor himself, but by default, after each person, the doctor must wash his hands. During the examination of the patient, dangerous bacteria could remain on the hands, which the doctor might not have guessed about, and which can be transferred to other patients while working with their wounds and lead to their death or complications
@@Speransky_Doctors didn’t wash their hands until the mid to late 19th century, so by this time, they knew they needed to. There was great resistance to antiseptic techniques among doctors, as it took about 25 years from the time it was proven to help outcomes until hand washing was generally adopted. Anesthesia, on the other hand, was adopted almost immediately across the US and Europe, in the early 19th century.
@johncassani6780 they actually had a bowl to wash hands.... your thinking of those civil war docs. They only reason they didn't was because it was patient to patient with little time
High Honor: The news is a total shock, but his memories are filled with comfort. People are rooting for him, he feels shocked, but warm, as he has a goal to accomplish. Redemption, for it is possible for him. His head held his head high, as the deer comes and it isn't threatening, in fact isn't afraid of Arthur at all as it stares at him, dead in the face. Low Honor: Another bad day. A bad day in a string of horrible bad days. The news is a shock, yes, but it's hardly surprising to him. He thinks of the gang, and it's finality, how it's all falling apart and everyone's just waiting on it with anticipation. And perhaps, how much he's loathed as a Savage that needs put down, just like the rest of the gang. The world is dark, gloomy, and at the end of a road, a lone fox searching for food along the ungiving stone road keeps their body frame low and to the ground as they look at Arthur. They're afraid, and they rush off much faster than Arthur can catch up.
Nah I think it’s the same regardless. Arthur’s not in shock bc he’s literally been sick since the start of Guarma, he knew whatever it was it wasn’t good and it was only getting worse as the days went on. Idk why people act like high honor and low honor are different characters when they’re really not, it’s just 2 sides of Arthur much like anyone else really, nobody is completely good or bad we’re all grey
Neat thing I learned from the symbolism in this game. Stags and Coyotes are heavy symbols of morality and the afterlife in some Native American cultures
@@jakomioftherose2434 Coyotes are the easier ones, they're trickster spirits, curses, meaning if Arthur sees one he's on a path towards damnation. Stags on the other hand are a titch more esoteric. Stags represent justice, truth, honor and other concepts, mind you people's of the first nations don't nessecarily define those concepts like Europeans do, but Arthur seeing a stag means that no matter what he's on the right oath towards redemption
@@ProboscusMonkeI was a bad Arthur, even while trying my best to not kill beyond what was needed, paid off whatever i got in after any mission, was neutral
A fun fact as well coming from a native american from the Umatilla region (northeast Oregon): The stags in our culture were actually either a man or a woman who gave themselves unto Creator (our form of 'god' essentially) in order to breathe new life into the world in the form of Deer, rabbits, and other animals. So the portrayal of the stag in rdr2 being high honor is actually in line with indigenous beliefs. The coyote is also in line with the stories they were given. The coyote is seen as you described a trickster, curses and generally seen as bad omens due to them being primarily scavengers in the area i live in. So not only did the rdr2 devs have an incredible story, but also accurately portrayed my culture in a respectful and meaningful way.
Oh wow that’s beautiful and very cool! I’m not Native but as a spiritualist me and mine also call Them “Creator,” or just “Spirit.” Can you tell more of your Creator, or point me where to look to learn about your people’s take on Them? :)
Low: a man who gets the fate that he deserves High: a man who realizes that there was always kindness inside of him l, even if he could only see it in his final moments
Well i dont think Arthur was always a good man i don't think he was a bad man but just a man stuck doing bad things but i think seeing everything in his life go down hill causes him to finally do good things and try be a good person
Dude, Arthur was a bad man. He's doing a "Breaking Bad" shit, but reverse. Thats why has more sense playing with low honor til this moment. Arthur WAS a BAD MAN. "REDEMPTION"
@@cairox1509 But what's the point?! The canonical honor is high. So they just wasted time and resources to stamp a bunch of extra irrelevant cutscenes!
It's possible the doctor still believes in the miasma theory of disease and is using the tobacco smoke to "cleanse" himself, just like how he washed his hands right before lighting the pipe. Miasma theory was a long lasting belief that disease was caused by bad smells, so many people would burn tobacco or other herbs thinking the strong smell would overpower the disease smell and protect them from infection. Germ theory was put forward around the middle of the 19th century and essentially proven correct before the end of the century, but it took decades to be universally accepted.
I never really gave two sh1ts about John...but Arthur? No matter how many good deeds I did, my dude Arthur deserved better, and Micah's punishment was never satisfying enough.
One other thing I think arthur is supposed to start of abit bad and corrupted then get better in the end. As theres challenges which earn you special clothes. But you have to do bad things and be a bandit to unlock them. And also get really drunk as arthur then walk around insulting people.😂 you dem bstrd if you care to much about the low honor you miss out on so much fun. You lot should goto emerald ranch. Climb up the water tower. Its next to the big water tower. Jump of the top aim for the water tower funny af
Mir first playthrough I was low honor for this scene, but started being high honor and ended with the high honor, saving John ending. That feels like the most natural and canon playthrough ino
my personal head canon is that the proper and intended story the developers wanted you to follow was a low honor playthrough, up until this scene. once arthur realizes he doesn't have the same time left he thought he did, he gains a new outlook on life and tries to right his wrongs. he then learns that there are some wrongs you just can't make right, but he still tries his best to make the most of the time he has left.
It was at that moment Arthur knew he had to set things right and become a better person. Pulling out a list of good things he could do, he read the first item out loud: *-Say hi to everyone in Bikini Bottom* Many "howdies" were given over the next week.
Funny because it does happen - after this scene was much more cautious about my low honor activities. It’s a metaphor of life - the moment we find out our time is limited our entire life will change and all we have is the remainder of the story to finish - how will we want to be remembered 😢
Makes more sense. He knows he’s gonna die and so he realises he’s been a bad man. Which is why going high honor past this point makes the most sense as well
When i first played through this, I was doing pallative care for my father, who was dying of lung Fibrosis. The, symptoms and the manner in which you die are the same as TB. After this scene i stopped playing. Until about six months after my father died, going through Arthur’s end, let me experience my grief as an outside observer. It helped a lot.
@@Rastajevoonce you've reached the stage Arthur was at during this scene you will, without fail, die without antibiotics. Dry weather would've only slowed his decline. The only way Arthur could've been saved after meeting Downes would've been to immediately move to somewhere dry and for him to relax as Tuberculosis isn't actually fatal until a certain point. The reason Arthur's tuberculosis progressed really really fast because he was constantly under physical strain throughout the course of the story. He gets tortured by Colm, he gets shipwrecked on Guarma, He gets shot at constantly and has to run etc. Plus he's a smoker which exacerbated it.
its not much different today. in many diseases, we treat the symptoms, not the disease itself because we still do not know a darn thing about their patophysiology. it is basically sweeping things under the carpet.
@@RastajevoIt would slow down the progress but they still die in the end. There is no cure for TB in 1899. Only in 1920s when alexander flemming discover pennicilin that Tuberculosis become treatable.
Finished my second play through yesterday with high honor, and the end is so much more memorable to me than my low honor play through. I was stunned time after time as it got close to the end. And the final scene just changed everything for me. I can't do low honor again.
RDR2 is masterpiece into every possible way.I am on my 3rd playthrough and this game still amaze me. There is nothing i can compare with RDR2 and i am 44 years old man.
The same thing happened to me but with Fallout 3 I wanted to play as evil but I couldn't anymore. I think the same thing would happen to me in this game
I will always remember that scene. Was being diagnosed with MS when I was playing RDR2 and it made me really emotional. All time favorite game, incredible story, gameplay and was able to relate to main character.
I'm in the process of being tested for that. I have an MRI with contrast on the 7th, and then we go from there. What did you have to go through to be diagnosed?
In 1914 if Arthur Morgan was alive he would still be in hiding living in a Forrest by a waterfall in a steady home married to a wonderful lady with a baby daughter as a lumberman for a living.
@@kirklynncentore532 He's a lumberjack and that's ok. He sleeps all night and he works all day. He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps He likes to press wild flowers He puts on women's clothing And hangs around in bars
His walking away is how I felt after my mother passed with stage four cancer. 10 days.... diagnosis to death. Then on my way to pay for the funeral home arrangements I blew a right front tire on the Glen Jackson Bridge. Paid. Got home nor two hours later my dog had a stroke. Died the next day. Crazy how life is and how I can relate to this beautiful game.
@lst8185 We walk to carry on. The weight on one's shoulders has to be stronger than a true man's supporters. I have to be there for my family. My wife... sisters... my kids... it's been a month since my mothers passing, like Arthers haze it goes away. True men carry on.... some crumble. It's a mans six shooter roulette. True Men choose not to give in to the triggers pull.
Im so sorry Leo. My dads wife got diagnosed with cancer too, but at the time they found out it was too late, it had spread to far, both lungs and the lymf-nodes (i think is the right word) This was in october 4 years ago and in february she was gone. But my gosh 10 days, i cant imagine...And then your dog, life is a b*itch sometimes to say the least. But I agree with the expression "f*ck cancer" since its such a creepy desease and you can feel just fine until its really too late. Anyways i hope you stay strong and cheers from Sweden! 🍻
I had a health scare some time back, the way Arthur reacts to his diagnosis is uncomfortably realistic to thinking something is... Wrong, you spend a lot of time thinking, living in the moment, and focusing on random things. Its uncomfortable to think about in truth, but this game did a really good job with this.
See, the moment that made me cry in this game (multiple times) is when high honor Arthur goes to confront Dutch and Micah and the gang. To see someone who was RAISED into a bad situation, only to redeem himself AND THEN get hit with the "he's going to die, and there's NOTHING you can do about it," you cry like a BABY the first time you see it. NOBODY can spend 100+ hours on a character and NOT be attached.
I was low honor when I first started. Took a break for a few years, and went high honor a free talking to the nun. She really made me want to do better
I finished the main game for the first time a few days ago and I did it high honour whereas after the prologue I will specifically do low honour things to see the difference.
@@Xiter2025 Yeah well i am too then, im 48 and this and the first the last of us are the 2 games that really have made me feel really connected to characters and story. This on the other hand is the best game i have ever played, period, cheers!
@@bootleg6477 Haha ok, and who says you cant do both? For example both Hollow and theradbrad have families and can still game. But whatever, its just me and my apartment here so i can game all i want, i dont need to "take care of" anyone (except my parents, which i do when needed)
The fact that in my first playthrough i always got the coyote vision, without being low honor, but when my arthur died, it was so beautiful i started sobbing, seeing the coyote and approaching the end of the game you always see the coyote and the entire game is a saddening grey and cold colours. but when i died i saw the deer and my game as i lived the last moments of arthur turned a beautiful yellow and warm colors, it's like arthur saw the good in him before dying, the beautiful colours of the life he craved for. Yeah it still make me tear up to this day.
@@gladeateor1950 I don't think the OP took that into consideration, most people are upset because Arthur died young by today's average life expectancy.
Frankly at this point in time low honor makes way more sense. This is his wakeup call, its his moment of realization what he will leave behind and the origin of his decision to change it. If you consider this the beginning of his redemption arc, i think canonically, youd be at low honor at this point, and end up with high honor by the end. The fact that after this point the game gives you waaaay more options to get your honor level up would also speak for that.
When I first saw Arthur coughing it confused the heck out of me I was riding my horse and it suddenly stopped and Arthur started to cough and he fell off…. Then my step mom told me Arthur “may” die and that gave it away….
@@ItachisOnly1 it kind of just turned out that way, in the beginning of my playthrough I messed around a lot and my ended up causing my honer to plummet. I eventually tried getting my honor up but i kept messing up and getting set back, and just ending up with a really neutral honor.
@@Dogeilius hahaha thats the case with me too. Like my honor is around the 75 percent mark to low honor. So I guess we can consider that as low honor then?
I really like how the doctor's glasses are reflecting the glare so we can't see his eyes as Arthur leaves. I've always thought it was super cheesy when the glare on glasses covered the eyes in anime but for whatever reason I think it works really well here.
In 1943 a treatment was discovered someday we the world will see cancer as an illness of the past. Every day in this world, someone gets a diagnosis that changes everything. This game showed some that touching another life has consequences, be always of high honor.
I felt really great to have actually managed to trigger this cutsceen during my playthrough of red dead. My brother who played along side me didn't see any animal during this sceen becuase he was neither a good man nor an evil one.
I have extensive knowledge of this particular disease due to certain circumstances, including when its cure was developed. I’m the kind of gamer who loves small details in games, like the specific years, tribes, cultural outfits, etc. So, when the doctor said 'tuberculosis,' my heart sank. I stopped playing for literally three months before I could bring myself to continue and finally complete the game. I lost all motivation to continue with the multiplayer feature and ended up uninstalling the game for good. This is one game I can never replay in story mode ever again. 😞
I was diagnosed with Tuberculosis in elementary school and grew up on old westerns. I got treatment and I'm 39 now, I wept during the final ride to the shoot out
The first time I was playing and I went through this I was a bad man but then after the flashback words I became a better man and died the high honor way
You know this part made me tear up, but what really got me was when Arthur was sitting with Sister Caledrón at the train station and he said he was afraid.
They did a great building up to this moment. coughs that start rare but grow in frequency and severity. Then you reach the point where he collapsed and gets the news. Today it is curable, but during this period, it was a death sentence. It just lets it hang there for a little while. As you continue to through the game you fell him considering his mortality in all his decisions up until his death.
When he comes out it really feels like the game is trying to tell you that you should think long and hard about how you should play this out from now on and even in missions you can tell things have changed a lot.
I tried playing low honor as John and it was kinda fun and I thought it wouldn’t matter much since I finished the game but it gave me a horrible feeling and somehow made me feel like a horrible and cruel person outside of the game so I just couldn’t do it
Exactly. A lot of people say they play high honor Arthur but low honor John. The entire point of Arthur's sacrifice was for John to get out of the criminal lifestyle and change his ways, living a normal life with his family. To play low honor John in either RDR game is making Arthur's sacrifice mean nothing.
@@StarwayBunnythen you realize it’s just a video game and the story doesn’t factor in all the people John can kill in the epilogue without consequences
After all these years and this game still amazed me with all these new details even after 100 hours poured in . I guess i really need to replay this game more. How can i experience all these things by my self
I think that if there's such a thing as a "canon" Arthur, it should be low honour in this scene before he turns his life around and rides to "That's The Way It Is" as high honour. This scene really does strike me as a "Road to Damascus" moment, perhaps because it literally is on the road but I digress lol. The echoes he hears emphasise that Arthur has lived a life of sin, destruction, cruelty and depravity and all it's earnt him is ensuring his own death, personified by the wolf. You can tell that he's afraid, and is afraid of what will happen if he keeps on going down this path too. That makes ending his story as high honour all the more powerful because while he did look the wolf in the eye and realise the weight of his own sins, he overcame them and proved he was worthy of (red dead) redemption.
I agree but I can never bring myself to play Arthur like a real bad person. I do lose honour from looting corpses, but hey the corpses don't mind, they don't need their cocaine gum and horse reviver anymore ....
I remember finishing the story in December 2018, the best game I ever played in my life, I played it low honor but I'm gonna start again 6 years later and play High Honor
Whenever i play as arthur, i help anyone I can and do high honor For john? The opposite because i can always just pay off the bounties and get my honor up
This blew my mind I never realized until I watched this I had low honor through my play through but by the end of the game and after I saw this scene I ended the game with high honor endings, which just fits so poetically with the ending line of “I tired, in the end, I did”
For me this scene hit extra hard because I had done the stranger encounter where you take the feller to get his leg sawn off, so my Arthur already had a relationship and a rapport with this Doctor before he came in. It wasn't just a random city Doctor at a walk in clinic telling him he's sick, it was a guy he trusted and already saw firsthand save somebody's life. I had no problem handing him the cash, and took him at his word for everything. There's no getting around the fact Arthur is sick, and in this era, he's gonna die. Part of me hoped going in there was some super ultra secret ending where Arthur could retire and settle down with Sadie or Mary off someplace far away from the events of the first game. But as soon as I heard those words "You've got tuberculosis." I knew there was no getting out of this for him. There was no happy ending.
i got low honor first time, but i followed the game by redeeming’’ him after the diagnosis. i took it as him seeing what he did wrong and doing his best after
Playing through for the first time currently. I didn't even realize I had low honor when I got to this part so it's interesting to see the other version. I started having him be better after that point regardless though, just felt right for his character moving forward
It breaks my heart to say this but him getting The sickness was one if the best things that could’ve happened to him. He started changing his life around and Helped out people, did good for the time he had left. He got his redemption
Yeah im on my third playthrough and still find things/places i havent seen before. Can be just a smaller place for example that i just find really beautiful or interesting. I can say this is the game ive taken most screenshots from without a doubt
When I first played this game, I never expected this scene to happen. This was a moment where you went and reflected on your choices in-game. In my head-canon, Arthur was low honor at the beginning, collecting debts, and doing all kinds of outlaw things… up until this scene. At that point, I gained him up to high honor. From a wolf to a deer. Dull and grey to beautiful vibrant colors Arthur so rightfully desired and deserved in his moment of death. This game will forever be one of my favorites.
This scene right here hit me, how empty the “busy” street is and walking alone on the path for an elegant deer cross Arthur’s path and for him to stop and stare at the event unfolding, the deer then roamed away and when I turned around the busy people of Saint Denis once again flooded the streets as if they were never gone and I was washed away by the sea of pedestrian traffic. Was it a dream or a miracle I wondered? I’ll never forget that moment
The fact people play the game with high honor is disgusting. Ain’t no real life aspects in the game we’re outlaws. I rob everybody and everything even horse saddles,I’m an outlaw. Low honor 10x better the dialogues are way better and emotional. The dialogue after Arthur’s death is way better than high honor. People need to start playing games as games and not play with reality in their head.
Haven't seen anyone commenting this but the difference between the paths he takes after leaving the doctor's office hits kinda deep. With low honor, Arthur is heading towards the supreme court but with high honor he passes in front of the church and ends up almost heading to the sea (freedom).
I have never played low honor Arthur and I never will. Some people say playing low honor up to this point is natural and prolly the intended route by the writers/devs, but I disagree. I think Arthur was always a good man. A good man that got put in a shit situation that tricked him into believing he was a bad man. I refuse to believe he enjoyed beating Thomas Downes to death, I refuse to believe a man that visited his son when he could would kill hoards of men and enjoy the blood. I believe Arthur was _always_ a good man in the little moments where he could get them. It was only when he realized his own mortality that he stopped letting his circumstances tell him who he is. I believe he was always a good man, and in the end he got to show it off a little. Man was on the verge of dying and _still_ beat Micah’s ass and would’ve killed him if it weren’t for Dutch.
Not even trying it is pretty dumb imo.. you just miss out on alot of fun and a different story and gamestyle .. wich is more fitting for the wild west.
I definitely prefer the low honer cut scene here at this point of the game because it’s more of a satisfying character arch to raise it to high honer from this point on. It makes for a better story of redemption. If he’s already high honer here, theres nothing to redeem.
I simply never could play low honor Arthur..Simply by my opinion he deserves high honor gameplay.
This game writing was so strong that its affected every subsequent playthrough for me in a way where I cannot in good conscience play as low honor arthur. Ever
I can usually play nuetral honor Arthur for chapter 1-4 but never can go low honor😅
Me too sweetheart, me too
Yeah, I tried to play Arthur as an asshole. I just couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t see the character like that.
I’m low honour Arthur atm and loving it! Did a 100 percent high honour run when the game came out but tbh this low honour run has been so much more memorable and enjoyable! Arthur and antagonise are a chefs kiss together 😂
That moment when he gets tuberculosis, coming out of the doctor's place, the whole game just feels different.
It really does. And what I found interesting was that as Arthur got sicker, the more the camp and relationships fell apart. Like the spirit of the camp got its own disease and slowly died
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@@JayAshBranAudioScripts dont forget the vision he gets of seeing his "spirit" animal slowly becoming closer and closer... the game itself is just a piece of art. I member when i played good Honor i think it was a bucket but doing the evil one you had a big black wolf ... it think its just very creative and symbolic actually carrying to deliver a message.
@@toplay1764for high i got deer And for low wolf
Until then the game was only Red Dead, then it becomes Redemption
I'm so jealous of the people who have never played this game and still have the chance to play it for the first time
playing it for the first time this week and can't figure out why I haven't done that earlier. :')
i am soon and i didnt think this was a spoiler scene but a random encounter so dam
Right? It is just my PC barely runs GTA 4
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I just finished the game last week never thought a game character would make us so emotional.
I stopped playing after Abigail moved in the new land. Couldn't bare Arthur's death and now john ? I just don't want to witness another death.
0:42 it’s never good news when the 1800s doctor immediately goes to was his hands 😂
Of course, it depends on the doctor himself, but by default, after each person, the doctor must wash his hands. During the examination of the patient, dangerous bacteria could remain on the hands, which the doctor might not have guessed about, and which can be transferred to other patients while working with their wounds and lead to their death or complications
@@Speransky_Doctors didn’t wash their hands until the mid to late 19th century, so by this time, they knew they needed to. There was great resistance to antiseptic techniques among doctors, as it took about 25 years from the time it was proven to help outcomes until hand washing was generally adopted. Anesthesia, on the other hand, was adopted almost immediately across the US and Europe, in the early 19th century.
@johncassani6780 they actually had a bowl to wash hands.... your thinking of those civil war docs. They only reason they didn't was because it was patient to patient with little time
@@johncassani6780 alot of german doctors also approached the antiseptic techniques close to the 1920s
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High Honor: The news is a total shock, but his memories are filled with comfort. People are rooting for him, he feels shocked, but warm, as he has a goal to accomplish. Redemption, for it is possible for him. His head held his head high, as the deer comes and it isn't threatening, in fact isn't afraid of Arthur at all as it stares at him, dead in the face.
Low Honor: Another bad day. A bad day in a string of horrible bad days. The news is a shock, yes, but it's hardly surprising to him. He thinks of the gang, and it's finality, how it's all falling apart and everyone's just waiting on it with anticipation. And perhaps, how much he's loathed as a Savage that needs put down, just like the rest of the gang. The world is dark, gloomy, and at the end of a road, a lone fox searching for food along the ungiving stone road keeps their body frame low and to the ground as they look at Arthur. They're afraid, and they rush off much faster than Arthur can catch up.
Coyote, not a fox.
Ah, oops.@@Yardidol
Damn bro thats deep
beautiful.
Nah I think it’s the same regardless. Arthur’s not in shock bc he’s literally been sick since the start of Guarma, he knew whatever it was it wasn’t good and it was only getting worse as the days went on. Idk why people act like high honor and low honor are different characters when they’re really not, it’s just 2 sides of Arthur much like anyone else really, nobody is completely good or bad we’re all grey
Neat thing I learned from the symbolism in this game. Stags and Coyotes are heavy symbols of morality and the afterlife in some Native American cultures
Can you tell me? I'd actually want to know.
@@jakomioftherose2434 Coyotes are the easier ones, they're trickster spirits, curses, meaning if Arthur sees one he's on a path towards damnation. Stags on the other hand are a titch more esoteric. Stags represent justice, truth, honor and other concepts, mind you people's of the first nations don't nessecarily define those concepts like Europeans do, but Arthur seeing a stag means that no matter what he's on the right oath towards redemption
@@ProboscusMonkeI was a bad Arthur, even while trying my best to not kill beyond what was needed, paid off whatever i got in after any mission, was neutral
A fun fact as well coming from a native american from the Umatilla region (northeast Oregon): The stags in our culture were actually either a man or a woman who gave themselves unto Creator (our form of 'god' essentially) in order to breathe new life into the world in the form of Deer, rabbits, and other animals. So the portrayal of the stag in rdr2 being high honor is actually in line with indigenous beliefs. The coyote is also in line with the stories they were given. The coyote is seen as you described a trickster, curses and generally seen as bad omens due to them being primarily scavengers in the area i live in. So not only did the rdr2 devs have an incredible story, but also accurately portrayed my culture in a respectful and meaningful way.
Oh wow that’s beautiful and very cool! I’m not Native but as a spiritualist me and mine also call Them “Creator,” or just “Spirit.” Can you tell more of your Creator, or point me where to look to learn about your people’s take on Them? :)
Low: a man who gets the fate that he deserves
High: a man who realizes that there was always kindness inside of him l, even if he could only see it in his final moments
Well i dont think Arthur was always a good man i don't think he was a bad man but just a man stuck doing bad things but i think seeing everything in his life go down hill causes him to finally do good things and try be a good person
Dude, Arthur was a bad man. He's doing a "Breaking Bad" shit, but reverse. Thats why has more sense playing with low honor til this moment. Arthur WAS a BAD MAN. "REDEMPTION"
Why does low honor route even exist?!
Obviously super few people were going to playthrough it!
@@Murv002 Basically, because it brings meaning to the choices we make.
@@cairox1509
But what's the point?!
The canonical honor is high.
So they just wasted time and resources to stamp a bunch of extra irrelevant cutscenes!
You have tuberculosis...*lights up pipe*
Tobacco could ease the symptoms by causing nerve damage in the lungs, though it let sickness progress faster.
It's possible the doctor still believes in the miasma theory of disease and is using the tobacco smoke to "cleanse" himself, just like how he washed his hands right before lighting the pipe. Miasma theory was a long lasting belief that disease was caused by bad smells, so many people would burn tobacco or other herbs thinking the strong smell would overpower the disease smell and protect them from infection. Germ theory was put forward around the middle of the 19th century and essentially proven correct before the end of the century, but it took decades to be universally accepted.
@@CryptidBuddy Besides they didn't know of the tobacco effects we do now
Tobacco was thought to be good for your health, and was even advertised as such back then
@@fate3071 Watch fruit be like tobacco in 2065.
The whole population of RDR2 players has chosen the good honor path for Arthur
I really wanted good honor path but I kept accidently trampling over people and getting low honor
I never really gave two sh1ts about John...but Arthur? No matter how many good deeds I did, my dude Arthur deserved better, and Micah's punishment was never satisfying enough.
I did low honor once, I'm still dreading over it
One other thing I think arthur is supposed to start of abit bad and corrupted then get better in the end. As theres challenges which earn you special clothes. But you have to do bad things and be a bandit to unlock them. And also get really drunk as arthur then walk around insulting people.😂 you dem bstrd if you care to much about the low honor you miss out on so much fun.
You lot should goto emerald ranch. Climb up the water tower. Its next to the big water tower. Jump of the top aim for the water tower funny af
Landing straight on Arthur's head from about 30 feet is funny af😂
Mir first playthrough I was low honor for this scene, but started being high honor and ended with the high honor, saving John ending. That feels like the most natural and canon playthrough ino
Definitely
I just can’t play low honor Arthur. I always try to the right thing.
Yeah in chapter 2 i thought Arthur was gonna be fine.
Agreed but I wasn’t even purposely low honor I just did what felt right
It definitely is
my personal head canon is that the proper and intended story the developers wanted you to follow was a low honor playthrough, up until this scene. once arthur realizes he doesn't have the same time left he thought he did, he gains a new outlook on life and tries to right his wrongs. he then learns that there are some wrongs you just can't make right, but he still tries his best to make the most of the time he has left.
It was at that moment Arthur knew he had to set things right and become a better person. Pulling out a list of good things he could do, he read the first item out loud:
*-Say hi to everyone in Bikini Bottom*
Many "howdies" were given over the next week.
There's a reason why the game is called red dead *REDEMPTION*
SOMEONE GETS IT! people misunderstand the game way too much they ignore the fact this game is literally about his redemption @@locatabor3682
Funny because it does happen - after this scene was much more cautious about my low honor activities. It’s a metaphor of life - the moment we find out our time is limited our entire life will change and all we have is the remainder of the story to finish - how will we want to be remembered 😢
@@locatabor3682 many people miss that, makes me believe they played red dead redemption 2 because it's a trend, not because they know the story
I was playing with low honor until after this point, that wolf was so eerie it made me change my ways lol.
I imagine that isn’t the first time a coyote’s struck the fear’a GAWD into people 😂
At the end of the game for me I tried to get high honor (about here was the turning point for me) but I ended right in the middle which counts as low
It's a coyote
Makes more sense. He knows he’s gonna die and so he realises he’s been a bad man. Which is why going high honor past this point makes the most sense as well
I was the same exact way and it literally scared me so I looked up how to get high honor FAST
When i first played through this, I was doing pallative care for my father, who was dying of lung Fibrosis. The, symptoms and the manner in which you die are the same as TB. After this scene i stopped playing.
Until about six months after my father died, going through Arthur’s end, let me experience my grief as an outside observer. It helped a lot.
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I feel bad for doctors of that era, they could diagnose diseases pretty accurately, but have no means to help their patients
Would the warm and dry weather help? Like doc suggested.
It wouldn't cure him but he would get to live a bit longer.Tb progression slows in more dryer and warmer weather.
@@Rastajevoonce you've reached the stage Arthur was at during this scene you will, without fail, die without antibiotics. Dry weather would've only slowed his decline. The only way Arthur could've been saved after meeting Downes would've been to immediately move to somewhere dry and for him to relax as Tuberculosis isn't actually fatal until a certain point. The reason Arthur's tuberculosis progressed really really fast because he was constantly under physical strain throughout the course of the story. He gets tortured by Colm, he gets shipwrecked on Guarma, He gets shot at constantly and has to run etc. Plus he's a smoker which exacerbated it.
its not much different today. in many diseases, we treat the symptoms, not the disease itself because we still do not know a darn thing about their patophysiology. it is basically sweeping things under the carpet.
@@RastajevoIt would slow down the progress but they still die in the end. There is no cure for TB in 1899. Only in 1920s when alexander flemming discover pennicilin that Tuberculosis become treatable.
Finished my second play through yesterday with high honor, and the end is so much more memorable to me than my low honor play through. I was stunned time after time as it got close to the end. And the final scene just changed everything for me. I can't do low honor again.
grandtheft autos writing limps so that red deads can spacewalk
RDR2 is masterpiece into every possible way.I am on my 3rd playthrough and this game still amaze me. There is nothing i can compare with RDR2 and i am 44 years old man.
I just finished my second play through about a week ago, and I agree with you high honor ending is way better n more memorable.
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The same thing happened to me but with Fallout 3 I wanted to play as evil but I couldn't anymore.
I think the same thing would happen to me in this game
I will always remember that scene. Was being diagnosed with MS when I was playing RDR2 and it made me really emotional. All time favorite game, incredible story, gameplay and was able to relate to main character.
How are you friend? I hope life's treating you well. It's always nice hearing from someone else's point of view on the sad matter😪
you are literally him
@@v3xt0n what?
I'm in the process of being tested for that. I have an MRI with contrast on the 7th, and then we go from there. What did you have to go through to be diagnosed?
@@jakelamotta2387I’m doing great now, with the good meds I can live an almost normal life 😊
Fun Fact: In 1914 as Jack in news paper you can see the TB cure its tobacco
In 1914 if Arthur Morgan was alive he would still be in hiding living in a Forrest by a waterfall in a steady home married to a wonderful lady with a baby daughter as a lumberman for a living.
@@kirklynncentore532 weirdo
@@stephenmccabe1489 Each to their own.
@@kirklynncentore532 very specific
@@kirklynncentore532
He's a lumberjack and that's ok.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps
He likes to press wild flowers
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars
I’m not crying, you’re crying!
🥹
Mate, we all are.
We all are bud
Now.i.dont.wanna finish the game.. 😢
No. We. We are.
His walking away is how I felt after my mother passed with stage four cancer. 10 days.... diagnosis to death. Then on my way to pay for the funeral home arrangements I blew a right front tire on the Glen Jackson Bridge. Paid. Got home nor two hours later my dog had a stroke. Died the next day. Crazy how life is and how I can relate to this beautiful game.
Life is not fair my guy.. You're a strong human being.
@lst8185 We walk to carry on. The weight on one's shoulders has to be stronger than a true man's supporters. I have to be there for my family. My wife... sisters... my kids... it's been a month since my mothers passing, like Arthers haze it goes away. True men carry on.... some crumble. It's a mans six shooter roulette. True Men choose not to give in to the triggers pull.
Im so sorry Leo. My dads wife got diagnosed with cancer too, but at the time they found out it was too late, it had spread to far, both lungs and the lymf-nodes (i think is the right word) This was in october 4 years ago and in february she was gone. But my gosh 10 days, i cant imagine...And then your dog, life is a b*itch sometimes to say the least. But I agree with the expression "f*ck cancer" since its such a creepy desease and you can feel just fine until its really too late. Anyways i hope you stay strong and cheers from Sweden! 🍻
Damn man I am sorry for your loss. Dog and mom gone at the same time Jesus.
I had a health scare some time back, the way Arthur reacts to his diagnosis is uncomfortably realistic to thinking something is... Wrong, you spend a lot of time thinking, living in the moment, and focusing on random things. Its uncomfortable to think about in truth, but this game did a really good job with this.
They are walking in different directions also... Man, I LOVE this game!!
its up to you where u go
I miss Arthur every day :(
See, the moment that made me cry in this game (multiple times) is when high honor Arthur goes to confront Dutch and Micah and the gang. To see someone who was RAISED into a bad situation, only to redeem himself AND THEN get hit with the "he's going to die, and there's NOTHING you can do about it," you cry like a BABY the first time you see it. NOBODY can spend 100+ hours on a character and NOT be attached.
That quote by Hosea definitly hits deep man. Even with high honor.
04:15
My eyes filled with tears when I got lumbago
You're still looking for him?
@@JoCaTen yes I had been 125 years
@GavinsFriend123 and you'll keep looking for him, gluck❤❤❤❤😂
I heard that this Gavin is just some imaginary friend of his
Don't steal my pfp uncle
I was low honor when I first started. Took a break for a few years, and went high honor a free talking to the nun. She really made me want to do better
I finished the main game for the first time a few days ago and I did it high honour whereas after the prologue I will specifically do low honour things to see the difference.
You know you're cooked when the 1800's doctor washes his hands 💀
I think every doctor would do that
@Dx2505 I think the fact that he did it immediately after checking Athur, before saying or doing anything else, can be taken as a bad sign.
@cincymutt yea but every Doctor would do that if its bad, the timeline doesn't matter
@@Dx2505 not necessarily, Doctors were way less hygienic back then and very rarely washed their hands
@FriendlyNeighborhoodFatman yea, but back then, tuberculosis was a deadly disease. It would be very stupid to no wash your hands after an diagnosis
Have never done low honor and never will. Arthur is too good for that.
Lmao what a crybaby
@@Xiter2025 Yeah well i am too then, im 48 and this and the first the last of us are the 2 games that really have made me feel really connected to characters and story. This on the other hand is the best game i have ever played, period, cheers!
@@rawsnakeI hate when old people play video games. Shouldn't you be raising your family? Move out
@@bootleg6477 Haha ok, and who says you cant do both? For example both Hollow and theradbrad have families and can still game. But whatever, its just me and my apartment here so i can game all i want, i dont need to "take care of" anyone (except my parents, which i do when needed)
@@rawsnake oh. Sorry, I was just rage baiting for fun. Your good.
The fact that in my first playthrough i always got the coyote vision, without being low honor, but when my arthur died, it was so beautiful i started sobbing, seeing the coyote and approaching the end of the game you always see the coyote and the entire game is a saddening grey and cold colours. but when i died i saw the deer and my game as i lived the last moments of arthur turned a beautiful yellow and warm colors, it's like arthur saw the good in him before dying, the beautiful colours of the life he craved for. Yeah it still make me tear up to this day.
That was exactly my first play through
It’s sad to see that Arthur is still very young when he gets tuberculosis 😢
He’s 38
@@Bumpybumps nope, 36.
@@TSG042man he’s old that’s consider old at the time base on the 1899 life expectancy
@@gladeateor1950 I don't think the OP took that into consideration, most people are upset because Arthur died young by today's average life expectancy.
@@TSG04238 or 36 is still a young age to die
I had high honor but I used to put off playing the game once he got sick because I didn’t want him to die 😂
Frankly at this point in time low honor makes way more sense. This is his wakeup call, its his moment of realization what he will leave behind and the origin of his decision to change it. If you consider this the beginning of his redemption arc, i think canonically, youd be at low honor at this point, and end up with high honor by the end.
The fact that after this point the game gives you waaaay more options to get your honor level up would also speak for that.
No matter how many times you play this game, this bit always gets ya
I found the scene at the end where your horse dies way worse than anything that happens to Arthur.
When I first saw Arthur coughing it confused the heck out of me I was riding my horse and it suddenly stopped and Arthur started to cough and he fell off…. Then my step mom told me Arthur “may” die and that gave it away….
It being a prequel to RDR1 gave it away for me
Arthur was coughing so much in Guarma that I knew by then already that he is going to die to tuberculosis.
My honor is very neutral, and when I got this scene, the wolf appeared, but there was a warmer hue like the high honor
did you do like, neutral honor on purpose, or it did it just happen to turn out that way?
@@ItachisOnly1 it kind of just turned out that way, in the beginning of my playthrough I messed around a lot and my ended up causing my honer to plummet. I eventually tried getting my honor up but i kept messing up and getting set back, and just ending up with a really neutral honor.
@@Dogeilius hahaha thats the case with me too. Like my honor is around the 75 percent mark to low honor. So I guess we can consider that as low honor then?
I really like how the doctor's glasses are reflecting the glare so we can't see his eyes as Arthur leaves. I've always thought it was super cheesy when the glare on glasses covered the eyes in anime but for whatever reason I think it works really well here.
Difficult to see Arthur as low honor when he’s inherently a good man.
I recon the low honour makes more sense here cause he reflecting on his bad actions and from there changes
Like Walter White but in reverse
@@H33333 exactly
I done both high honor and low honor playthroughs but Arthur DESERVES good honor.
Lenny's death still boils my blood after years
LENNNNYYYYY!!!!!
In 1943 a treatment was discovered someday we the world will see cancer as an illness of the past. Every day in this world, someone gets a diagnosis that changes everything. This game showed some that touching another life has consequences, be always of high honor.
My father contracted it in 1953. Still alive today 😊
I hope and pray to God that we do
Wise words, thank you for opening my eyes, God bless you❤
@@johnrockyryanalways keep the one with illnesses in you prayers ❤
@@ronald3836 Thats funny.
Sad part is tuberculosis wasn't cured until 1930 so basically if u caught it like any other infectous disease you were pretty much screwed.
From beautiful to empty and vaguely creepy
1:07 "Getting somewhere warm and dry, and taking it easy." heh he does that at the end
I felt really great to have actually managed to trigger this cutsceen during my playthrough of red dead. My brother who played along side me didn't see any animal during this sceen becuase he was neither a good man nor an evil one.
I have extensive knowledge of this particular disease due to certain circumstances, including when its cure was developed. I’m the kind of gamer who loves small details in games, like the specific years, tribes, cultural outfits, etc. So, when the doctor said 'tuberculosis,' my heart sank.
I stopped playing for literally three months before I could bring myself to continue and finally complete the game. I lost all motivation to continue with the multiplayer feature and ended up uninstalling the game for good. This is one game I can never replay in story mode ever again. 😞
I was diagnosed with Tuberculosis in elementary school and grew up on old westerns. I got treatment and I'm 39 now, I wept during the final ride to the shoot out
The first time I was playing and I went through this I was a bad man but then after the flashback words I became a better man and died the high honor way
I haven't even played this game. But every clip I see of its plot is immaculate. Tears my heart right out my chest!😭👏🏾❤
Do yourself an immense favor and go experience it. I've seen many posts on RDR2 videos about how they wish they can play it for the first time again.
"Dont worry doc, I'll give a random stranger $20 and get the good ending."
-Low Honor Arthur.
You know this part made me tear up, but what really got me was when Arthur was sitting with Sister Caledrón at the train station and he said he was afraid.
That scene hits me in the feels every god damn time.
It doesn't matter which honor you did take, cause you're good deep inside of you anyways
To this point for the second play thru and remembered and rode like hell out of the city before going toward Sadie.
They did a great building up to this moment. coughs that start rare but grow in frequency and severity. Then you reach the point where he collapsed and gets the news. Today it is curable, but during this period, it was a death sentence. It just lets it hang there for a little while. As you continue to through the game you fell him considering his mortality in all his decisions up until his death.
2:30 reminds me of GTA V when michael was drugged by his son, and hes skydiving.
When he comes out it really feels like the game is trying to tell you that you should think long and hard about how you should play this out from now on and even in missions you can tell things have changed a lot.
I tried playing low honor as John and it was kinda fun and I thought it wouldn’t matter much since I finished the game but it gave me a horrible feeling and somehow made me feel like a horrible and cruel person outside of the game so I just couldn’t do it
When can you play as other characters?.
@@andrehinds4804 after u beat chapter 6 u play as John in the epilogue
Exactly.
A lot of people say they play high honor Arthur but low honor John. The entire point of Arthur's sacrifice was for John to get out of the criminal lifestyle and change his ways, living a normal life with his family. To play low honor John in either RDR game is making Arthur's sacrifice mean nothing.
@@StarwayBunny yea that another reason why it feels so wrong to do it
@@StarwayBunnythen you realize it’s just a video game and the story doesn’t factor in all the people John can kill in the epilogue without consequences
After all these years and this game still amazed me with all these new details even after 100 hours poured in . I guess i really need to replay this game more. How can i experience all these things by my self
I think that if there's such a thing as a "canon" Arthur, it should be low honour in this scene before he turns his life around and rides to "That's The Way It Is" as high honour.
This scene really does strike me as a "Road to Damascus" moment, perhaps because it literally is on the road but I digress lol. The echoes he hears emphasise that Arthur has lived a life of sin, destruction, cruelty and depravity and all it's earnt him is ensuring his own death, personified by the wolf. You can tell that he's afraid, and is afraid of what will happen if he keeps on going down this path too.
That makes ending his story as high honour all the more powerful because while he did look the wolf in the eye and realise the weight of his own sins, he overcame them and proved he was worthy of (red dead) redemption.
I agree but I can never bring myself to play Arthur like a real bad person. I do lose honour from looting corpses, but hey the corpses don't mind, they don't need their cocaine gum and horse reviver anymore ....
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I remember finishing the story in December 2018, the best game I ever played in my life, I played it low honor but I'm gonna start again 6 years later and play High Honor
Whenever i play as arthur, i help anyone I can and do high honor
For john? The opposite because i can always just pay off the bounties and get my honor up
And the entire final act involved cold wet scenarios, which would only worsen tuberculosis.
Both are great. Different
This blew my mind I never realized until I watched this I had low honor through my play through but by the end of the game and after I saw this scene I ended the game with high honor endings, which just fits so poetically with the ending line of “I tired, in the end, I did”
For me this scene hit extra hard because I had done the stranger encounter where you take the feller to get his leg sawn off, so my Arthur already had a relationship and a rapport with this Doctor before he came in. It wasn't just a random city Doctor at a walk in clinic telling him he's sick, it was a guy he trusted and already saw firsthand save somebody's life.
I had no problem handing him the cash, and took him at his word for everything.
There's no getting around the fact Arthur is sick, and in this era, he's gonna die.
Part of me hoped going in there was some super ultra secret ending where Arthur could retire and settle down with Sadie or Mary off someplace far away from the events of the first game.
But as soon as I heard those words "You've got tuberculosis."
I knew there was no getting out of this for him. There was no happy ending.
I was in so much denial in those bits.. he'll get through this but he never did.
RIP Arthur
It absolutely amazes that as much love for this game that there is and it's age that other developers keep going in the opposite direction.
Doctor: do ya have any money?
Arthur: hands him like 300$ which in today’s money is like handing your doctor 12,000$ for w check up.
So, pretty accurate for American healthcare. American healthcare keeping up with the times /s
It said -$10.00 when he left, not 300.
Never thought I could feel sad playing a video game. But I did and i was in complete shock to see this on my first run through of this masterpiece
The low honor one is even creepier
After I have learn Arthur got TB, it just feels different after that. This game is really amazing, can make you have emotional roller coast like that
on my second playtrough i got the low honor one (i mainly play high honor) and it made me cry
I am so glad that I had high honor the whole game and get the good ending
Really great that the actual voice actor got TB just for this scene, so dedicated
method acting at its finest.
i got low honor first time, but i followed the game by redeeming’’ him after the diagnosis. i took it as him seeing what he did wrong and doing his best after
This thumbnail is misleading. It implicates the cutscene is different.
Karen
Yes can u please call the manager
Playing through for the first time currently. I didn't even realize I had low honor when I got to this part so it's interesting to see the other version. I started having him be better after that point regardless though, just felt right for his character moving forward
He didn't deserve this 😢
bro hasn't played red dead
💀
It breaks my heart to say this but him getting The sickness was one if the best things that could’ve happened to him. He started changing his life around and Helped out people, did good for the time he had left. He got his redemption
i love how rockstar makes a point of warning low honor players several times
Really sucks, Arthur went out the way he did. He should have mopped the floor with Micah.
Yeah, and your honor changes your dreams too. If you have high honor, Arthur will dream of a dear, and with low honor, he'll dream of a wolf
He has money, but he can't say he has money 😢
Never fails to amaze me all the little things and details that you find in this game, completed it but still amazed at the stuff I haven’t seen yet
Yeah im on my third playthrough and still find things/places i havent seen before. Can be just a smaller place for example that i just find really beautiful or interesting. I can say this is the game ive taken most screenshots from without a doubt
Smoking next to a tuberchlosis patient?? Cmon Doc XD
Arthur also smokes so it's fine
When I first played this game, I never expected this scene to happen. This was a moment where you went and reflected on your choices in-game. In my head-canon, Arthur was low honor at the beginning, collecting debts, and doing all kinds of outlaw things… up until this scene. At that point, I gained him up to high honor. From a wolf to a deer. Dull and grey to beautiful vibrant colors Arthur so rightfully desired and deserved in his moment of death. This game will forever be one of my favorites.
I got this with low honor by accident I was trying to go high honor but this came out of nowhere:/
This scene right here hit me, how empty the “busy” street is and walking alone on the path for an elegant deer cross Arthur’s path and for him to stop and stare at the event unfolding, the deer then roamed away and when I turned around the busy people of Saint Denis once again flooded the streets as if they were never gone and I was washed away by the sea of pedestrian traffic. Was it a dream or a miracle I wondered? I’ll never forget that moment
The fact people play the game with high honor is disgusting. Ain’t no real life aspects in the game we’re outlaws. I rob everybody and everything even horse saddles,I’m an outlaw. Low honor 10x better the dialogues are way better and emotional. The dialogue after Arthur’s death is way better than high honor. People need to start playing games as games and not play with reality in their head.
It’s not that deep bro
sorry for choosing how to play a game bro
Haven't seen anyone commenting this but the difference between the paths he takes after leaving the doctor's office hits kinda deep.
With low honor, Arthur is heading towards the supreme court but with high honor he passes in front of the church and ends up almost heading to the sea (freedom).
What if Arthur started cooking meth after this news? Hhhhh
The doc is so calming his tone calm you down spiritually
FIRST ONE 😅🎉😂
Fun fact: Smoking was once considered healthy. Back then doctors were advised to smoke before and after treating people with tuberculosis.
I have never played low honor Arthur and I never will. Some people say playing low honor up to this point is natural and prolly the intended route by the writers/devs, but I disagree. I think Arthur was always a good man. A good man that got put in a shit situation that tricked him into believing he was a bad man. I refuse to believe he enjoyed beating Thomas Downes to death, I refuse to believe a man that visited his son when he could would kill hoards of men and enjoy the blood. I believe Arthur was _always_ a good man in the little moments where he could get them. It was only when he realized his own mortality that he stopped letting his circumstances tell him who he is. I believe he was always a good man, and in the end he got to show it off a little. Man was on the verge of dying and _still_ beat Micah’s ass and would’ve killed him if it weren’t for Dutch.
Not even trying it is pretty dumb imo.. you just miss out on alot of fun and a different story and gamestyle .. wich is more fitting for the wild west.
I’m just surprised there is an actual doctor. He’d usually be your barber too IRL
My best experience playing a game ever. It felt so complete. And never got so attached to a character and probably never will again
“You’ve got tuberculosis… now let me light this pipe”
The low honor-soundtrack is SO good!
i knew Arthur was gonna die before the game even came out but i wasn't expecting tuberculosis to be one of the causes
This game is so good. The first time I played through it is something I will never forget.
I definitely prefer the low honer cut scene here at this point of the game because it’s more of a satisfying character arch to raise it to high honer from this point on. It makes for a better story of redemption. If he’s already high honer here, theres nothing to redeem.