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See I like how mike related back to real life like bloodsuckers sucking out the life outta yah werewolves are savages that'll tear yahlimb from limb etc this was a very very good video choom can't wait for the next!!
So redid for whom the bells tolls with rogues death the dialogue right before it begins tell you she's a back stabbing bitch and that she has more pull with araska then wakako then do we really trust her ass....she literally tells wakako the only reason why she still operates with any corpos is cause rogue let's her and that she can supposedly take it all all away....
She claims she didn't do it until after the mission during mourning but truth is throughout the whole game it literally spells out she sold you out ironically besides going in solo I believe in the other endings rogue should've died too she's toxic they set her up to double cross v and Johnny again and nothing....well see what happens in future installments
And Mr Blueeyes who "works for orbital air and is an informant" buys and helps rogue aquire things for his "special missions" the more I play this ending the more I realize the hidden dialogue
i really love listening to maximum mike peddling his theories on the radio. some are a bit out there but some seem to be rooted in in-game reality which is kinda fun.
*(Lowers his vintage set of mirrorshades so as to make eye contact. His eye sockets hollowed out with flat optic sensors glowing azure blue in the recesses)* It's true. All of it...
Mike's cameos are pleasantly cryptic. All the theories he puts forth can be traced back to the ttrpg source manuals. Been binge reading the pdfs. I've never been more immersed in a piece of media. The more the big picture comes into view, the more I understand the passion that went into this version of the cyberpunk experience. Tldr: read the source manuals. You will find many answers. You'll also find some new questions. What a treat, chooms.
Keep in mind that in the universe where Cyberpunk 2077 is set it’s not impossible for certain urban legends to be real but fabricated entirely by corporations. For example, werewolves and vampires can be created through genetic manipulation and cyberware. Imagine a corporation opposing a group of people who are superstitious about Skinwalkers. They could pay Biotechnica to actually MAKE something like a Skinwalker.
Why is it not possible? Are mistys tarot readings coming from the corps, or is there a spiritual level to the game that isn't really explored yet? Only the creators and devs will decide what is possible or not. Whether the technological and mystical can crossover/merge. For me i'd prefer it if the zen master has nothing to do with corps or ai. But was something else entirely. Adds another level to the world.
@@lilbaz8732Cyberpunk exists with a deep insinuation of the spiritual in a materialistic world. It's somewhat radical in that way. The war against corporations and the world writ large is a war against man's fallen nature. The spiritual aspects are a search for meaning in a world that is a metaphorical desert for man, in the words of Evola, "The desert encroaches, woe to him whose desert is within."
Ya know, given how the blackwall is depicted in Phantom Liberty and how playing as a max level netrunner makes you feel like an all powerful sorcerer, I wouldn't be too surprised if the net was the biblical hell. Or at least Cyberpunk's version of it. Now I'm wondering if cyberpsychosis could be considered demonic possession and if Maelstrom are satanists. Its a pretty interesting world
What if find interesting is through modern history and pop culture there's always a connection between technology and the demonic. Doom is a good example being like the cyberdemon are cyber for what reason? Or you hear about phones being black mirror black mirrors being a form of black magic. People inventing tech and saying their inspirations came from spirits met through drug induced journeys on eye opening drugs. Which isn't surprising seeing how there's a close connection between the spiritual and drugs. If you look real close throughout history and pop culture the connection is there and it's very interesting.
The fact that it is canon that the old net is sealed away by the blackwall and is swarmed with rouge AI's, yet there are multiple ways to access it from one side, begs the question; do we know if there are ways certain AI can escape the blackwall?
no...but we meet two that do make it through..and if the blue eyed people are rogue A.I's possessing meat bodies, then the blue in their eyes signifies data transference. the reason they are seen as "blue eyed" is because when data is transferred between two points (and at least one of those points are human) the eye lenses in people turn blue, all data, whether a transfer of credits to uploading/downloading data, or even a slotted shard has this effect. The current most accepted theory amongst the fandom is that, knowing how the eye lenses work, that the "blue eyed people" are actually rogue AI's endlessly downloading themselves into the meat body.. And thus take control of it from the host (kinda like the relic, but very different also in alot of ways.) since malicious rogue A.I's are sometimes referred to as "daemons"...it could be looked at as these blue eyed people are essentially going through a technological version of demonic possession if the whole "data-hell" element of the net is to be believed. Which to be fair? Kind of does make alot of sense what with netrunning chairs being the 2020 way to run in the net.. It essentially makes netrunners into techie spirit mediums. Also fun fact. Night Corp are seen as "in bed" with these daemons, or at the very least, are unaware they have been infiltrated by rogue ai's. Which means with the sun ending (morningstar reference, morningstar being another name for lucifer) i think V gets hired by Night Corp through Mr. Blue Eyes (whether this is true or just the rogue AI's using NightCorp as a proxy, i just dont know) to attack crystal palace to steal data, this data i believe, are the rogue A.I that possess people, trapped on the crystal palaces subnet, in a stop gap measure, to flee the old net beyond the blackwall, in hopes of not getting consumed by ALT/Soulkiller. So either we are freeing daemons from data hell and unleashing them free on earth for Night Corp...or the Daemons that need to be freed, are the ones that hired us to free them. And if V succeeds in that mission, they wont really get any help because its essentially a "deal with the devil" we've made. Question is, who exactly handed us the contract? Sorry for this being so long.
As the netwatch guy puts it, Blackwall isn't an impenetrable fortress, it's more like a "torn-open trash bag taped over a busted window". They can't really prevent AIs (or Netrunners) from making it through, most of their job revolves around finding and eliminating the ones that do. Which probably mostly just affects the more aggressive AIs that cause obvious damage. The smart ones, like Mr Blue Eyes (Oracle?), who know how to keep a low profile and evade Netwatches gaze are probably everywhere by now.
Yeah choom! I could've gone into a lot more explanation and even proved a few of these but chose to keep it a bit more in the open for this specific video. My previous actually covered the werewolves and forlone haha
I just wanna throw out there, I, as an older ttrpg-er, am glad you put the roots of the world with R. Talsorian. There’s a ton still that don’t know the game roots, and linking the birth of the cyberpunk world (this setting, not the genre as a whole) to Mr. Pondsmith, is good. He deserves the recognition for it as well! :D
The world of Cyberpunk is super intriguing to me, just like Warhammer 40k. Both have some parallels and are really interesting, but i wouldnt want to live in either.
Garry the Prophet knew the truth, he just couldn't explain it in a basic fashion. Allegorical fashion. Then Maximum Mike (I love listening to his rants) are connecting the points that Garry misses. It all adds together notes, hints, and metaphoric sideline gab. We truly are serfs to the powerhouses of immortality.
Your channel has been single-handedly keeping up my interest in Cyberpunk while waiting for the DLC. Amazing stuff, im probably repeating myself but i love your calm narration style and also that you do a lot of your own research and your theories arent just some whacky clickbait thats not backed up by anything.
Part of me feels that maximum mikes theories are more than just theories, mostly bc he’s pondsmith’s self insert in the universe and in turn is played by the head choom himself in the game. Meaning it’s safe to assume his netrunner friend is spider murphy and has his ear tuned to the world better than anyone else. My headcanon is that his theories are canon to the universe
One funny piece of lore to support the Arasaka vampire theory is the special effects of Saburo's knife and katana. Causes enemies to bleed, which then restotes your health.
To add one to the list (do with the information what you want) the Militech Canto Mk.6 is currently considered an urban legend in the cyberpunk lore because of how rare it is and its implications given what we know about it
I'm assuming you mean the spellbound mission where you can get the encrypted shard written by her. I don't remember seeing anything about werewolves could you help me out choom?
I remember there being a shard speaking of werewolves and mike speaking about it if you listen to Morro Rock during the mission he says a lot during most missions but you have to constantly tune in at the right time 😂
I just started watching the video, but couldn't that be a reference to that ,technically, there is a version of cyberpunk rpg that crosses with vampire masquerade,making them canon in each universe?(and also werewolves canon)
I always thought the Zen Master was Rache Bartmoss, the way he would just vanish too made me know theres way more to this character than just words of wisdom
I fully believe that someone of his Caliber turned himself into an AI like Alt, but unlike Alt who didn't willingly become an AI and would have returned to the physical world if not for Johnny and his bullshit. Rache however loved the net, he would absolutely have gone full AI if it meant staying in the net. He put himself into the fridge and never came out. His body withered away as he basically lived in the net. It really wouldn't surprise me that when he was supposedly dead that he simply found a way to convert himself into an AI.
Great video man! I always spend hours scrolling for videos but this popped up first and I clicked immediately. I love all the unique things this game, and series overall, have that really build the universe. Also what is the audio you use in the background?
I'm glad that I am able to share the love I have for Cyberpunk with you choom! Thank you a lot for watching and the kind words. The background music is "Nocturne Op55n1 Ambient music" from 2077!
I wouldn’t be surprised that werewolves were in the Cyberpunk universe considering the genetic modifications and cybernetics that some people have used to make themselves look like animals
I wish they delved into the idea of the net being Hell, or a multiverse, imagine a game of a TRUE netrunner being in the net. Maybe the next game should have a method of completing things by getting through a datafort and get visuals with the use of cameras in the internal net, or even as a AI gaining access to a pawn, human, to manipulate, a Blue-eyed person. I loved playing a netrunner, and I want to see in expanded. Also, if you where a netrunner commanding people to go to specific places, or Coop game telling people where enemies are.
Phantom Liberty made me wish we could have more lore and even just ghost stories of what is beyond the Blackwall. Or even more lore of the AI that the Blackwall actually is. Like a name or something lol
I think the underground section was going to be a faction of who was the most wanted by the corporations .who would have an idea of the corruption that happens within night city but are wanted for the connections to the corporations Kinder light Dogtown is turned into for the DLC
it really goes back to the development of the game itselfI think it originally when developing the game of they were going to use the universe of cyberpunk and a lot of the things in it to make it more connected to the wider universe but for convenience they just focused on Johnny story and V Story to the condenser down into a single narrative it makes more sense
"Would you go into the net, knowing this information" It like saying, try and slap lava with your hand but this lava comes from the ninth circle of hell. The danger still has not changed
My conspiracy would be that the Cyberpunk world is actually the World of Darkness where vampires are in control of the megacorps. It is also easier to cover incidents of frenzies by calling them cyberpydcho attacks.
Thanks a lot choom! I'm still amazed I ever even passed 100 subs so it's honestly jaw dropping to see 7k. It's making 10k not seem like such a pipe dream and it's all thanks to the amazing viewers like you
@@LayedBackGamers yeah that's the biggest kick in the dick or when misty finds out you're working for arasaka you literally see her poor heart break all over again it's devastating
@@LayedBackGamersso I'm replaying again for the millionth time but with street kid story line if you are the prodigy kid they make yah out to be (cause supposedly now after patches etc it's been 2 years and the city has changed since V was gone) I can see why Saka roped V in used and impossible mission with a stupid car (that sucks you ever drive one where's the stash where's the turn ability this mofo is like owning a Bentley pointless just to say yah got money) where you meet your new chooms and bring him yet another impossible mission anyone see where this sounds like a set up from the start? " Just some saka suit that comes from across the water time to time....this ain't no set up V just trying to make us both some eddies..." my ass ....😂😂
There was a crossover from cyberpunk and world of darkness( vampire the masquerade, werewolf the apocalypse, mage the accession, and maybe demon the fallen but not sure about the last one) called world of future darkness’s original I know.
You know if Mike would just lean into some of this stuff as actual cannon in cyberpunk and Mike would have some of the wildest universe mythos ever and not just wacky conspiracy . But then again I do t get it , this stuf is awesome why have it be “urban legend” when cyberpunk itself is a made up alternate reality. I mean yeah you could work the in game gimmick that the general public doesn’t believe and or know blah blah but man to have campaigns that involve cyber demons , bio werewolves , and corporate vampire agents with both chrome and vampiric abilities . This is an obvious slam dunk someone please fan make this
I'm hypes for Phantom Liberty. I think it's the week I start my fall uni term so that's my luck but I'm going to be taking time off of work to live stream it all and create content for it all
Of course the spooky AIs in Canada are friendly... Lol that's too good. Edit: yo what? 2 playthroughs and I have NEVER heard Mike Pondsm- I mean Maximum Mike come through the radio. Matter of fact, I have never heard ANYONE talking excpet for the random station name shoutout or whatever it's called. Kinda bummed now. I wanna listen to Night City talk radio dammit! Lol
hey i think we meet that Zen Master guy. i remember running around in that natural park near embers and finding a monk that offered to show me a BD, it was some meditation thing and once it was over he was gone when you left the BD. you could find him again like 3 or 4 more times and he did the same thing each time, leaving before you exited the BD. he fits the description of the Zen Master
I talk about it a lot in my old net video but essentially the old net is composed of literally every single cyberdeck and piece of tech that has any sort of connection to the net. So they'd have to scour everything all over the word and destroy it. But doing that alone would have unknown repercussions since the new net is just the old net and very intricately connected yet portioned by the black wall
I kinda buy into the idea that the Blackwall itself is alive / an AI. So in theory it could gain sentience and compromise the whole system like other AI have
Planning on it choom! Reading through it right now so once I'm finished I'll at the bare minimum do a review, probably both a spoiler and non spoiler one. If there's any theories or connections to form a full video I'll do that as well. Thanks for the support!
I planned on doing this at some point, but now that you bring it up here it would probably be a great way for me to introduce the series into my channels content!
They redid the devil ending (at least from the last time I played this ending)?! Dude they make you feel like absolute dog fuck the entire time the call with Judy misty etc but you do find out a lot of the corpos evil plans if you do it highly recommend doing it before phantom!
YALL NEED TO REPLAY THIS ENDING I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT BUT MUST BE DONE! Basically said don't shit on your friends there's at least unity if yah die around them or your family selling yourself or finding out it's all pointless and betrayed your friends and still gonna die worse the death itself...
@@vavra222 I actually figured out that UA-cam has a cut feature so I edited it out. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Longer videos are definitely used more often during late nights
@@LayedBackGamers Cheers! Sorry for making you work extra though. Thanks for being so quick, maybe you have saved some other late-night watchers their hearts and pants lol.
It's debated (especially by Bartmoss) that the Net was an already existing realm. That they only learned to connect to its plane through technology, not actually create it. But...who knows. That guy rambles a lot!
I'm composing a video on the Crystal Palace at the moment but am failing to find the exact entry for the Crystal Palace Angels. Any chance you would be able to help?
@LayedBackGamers i think i might be able too. the cyberpunk wiki under the crystal palace. The orbital air/space rpg book and cyberpunk red i believe. Theres a group called the order of 12 martial artists with exotic cyberware and no one has seen them. But are the best one man armies on the face of the earth. Phantoms.
@@ObamaBluWaffles- Yeah I saw it on the wiki and know I've seen the excerpt somewhere but now that I finally wanna show the source page I can't find it 😥
@LayedBackGamers i have an idea. A cyberpunk most dangerous characters vid have them mentioned in it. The Angels, morgan Blackhand, boa boa, adam smasher, max tac, V, etc. I have the esa pdf but not the cyberpunk red. kazuliski might have more of the lore details hes a super friendly guy on here
There's even specific dialogue / recordings from him connected to specific portions of the story yet they're not automatically turned on. Much more interesting than some of the odd music choice
One of the most notable myths is that the game was riddled with bugs and nigh unplayable on launch for the majority of players. This was, in fact, only true of those unfortunate souls on the POS4, last gen X-Box, and garbage PCs. The game was in no condition to play on potatoes. On regular PC, it ran just fine.
I'm sorry but that's just factually untrue and comes down to amd graphics cards no lt being the kings they are now and most people still being intel fan boys. If you used a full and system prior to 2020 you had some fun bugs and errors.
We represent rogue ai. The players. We are the ones taking control of these people and using their implants... we get bored and show no remorse for their world and when our character gets op cause we wanna put a bunch of cybernetics on them we go crazy and start murdering everyone... hence Cyberpsychosis!!! We cause it!! We are the rogue ai’s taking control!!! We see through their koroshis!!!! The game came out in 2020!! When did the datakrash happen?! 2020!!! So that separates our net from theirs!!! And we want to play so we break through the blackwall!!! The blackwall keeps our reality and theirs separate!! (And yeah in the tabletop we don’t make our characters boring npcs... so yeah we the rogue ai’s take control of the most powerful people! It fits in for the jeffersons and everybody!! Please!! Prove me wrong!!)(also!!!! Just you wait for the online cyberpunk game!!! Yeah rogue ai’s invading?!? Who the hells that invading their world?!?! Fucking US!!!! Why ain’t you guys listening to me?!?! I’m giving you the best fucking content!!) also Keanu obviously like stories about how the worlds a a damn simulation!!! The lizard people/alien overlords explain explain the devs! It explains the modders!!! Just look at the FF.06.B5 secret!!! Dude finds the “watcher” at a computer screen! He learned they were in a simulation!!! That’s why he was all messed up and had no emotion really when he discovered it!!
Im telling y’all!!! Mark my words!!! I’ve been saying this for a few years and everything just keeps lining up better and better!! If y’all see people talking about this after October 14th 2023!!! This theory comes from me!! 😂
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See I like how mike related back to real life like bloodsuckers sucking out the life outta yah werewolves are savages that'll tear yahlimb from limb etc this was a very very good video choom can't wait for the next!!
So redid for whom the bells tolls with rogues death the dialogue right before it begins tell you she's a back stabbing bitch and that she has more pull with araska then wakako then do we really trust her ass....she literally tells wakako the only reason why she still operates with any corpos is cause rogue let's her and that she can supposedly take it all all away....
She claims she didn't do it until after the mission during mourning but truth is throughout the whole game it literally spells out she sold you out ironically besides going in solo I believe in the other endings rogue should've died too she's toxic they set her up to double cross v and Johnny again and nothing....well see what happens in future installments
And Mr Blueeyes who "works for orbital air and is an informant" buys and helps rogue aquire things for his "special missions" the more I play this ending the more I realize the hidden dialogue
Bro this was dope! I wish there was so much more. Either way, Subbed!
i really love listening to maximum mike peddling his theories on the radio. some are a bit out there but some seem to be rooted in in-game reality which is kinda fun.
The NUSA is such a backwards place that nomad werewolves and immortal arasakas dont't seem that far fetched lol
*(Lowers his vintage set of mirrorshades so as to make eye contact. His eye sockets hollowed out with flat optic sensors glowing azure blue in the recesses)*
It's true.
All of it...
@@discofraud Heh, bio-engineered 'werewolf' assassins. Reminds me of a place, way back in time in the old combat zone, called the Forlorn Hope...
Mike's cameos are pleasantly cryptic. All the theories he puts forth can be traced back to the ttrpg source manuals. Been binge reading the pdfs. I've never been more immersed in a piece of media. The more the big picture comes into view, the more I understand the passion that went into this version of the cyberpunk experience. Tldr: read the source manuals. You will find many answers. You'll also find some new questions. What a treat, chooms.
He reminds me of Night Cities equivalent of Art Bell
Keep in mind that in the universe where Cyberpunk 2077 is set it’s not impossible for certain urban legends to be real but fabricated entirely by corporations. For example, werewolves and vampires can be created through genetic manipulation and cyberware. Imagine a corporation opposing a group of people who are superstitious about Skinwalkers. They could pay Biotechnica to actually MAKE something like a Skinwalker.
Why is it not possible? Are mistys tarot readings coming from the corps, or is there a spiritual level to the game that isn't really explored yet? Only the creators and devs will decide what is possible or not. Whether the technological and mystical can crossover/merge.
For me i'd prefer it if the zen master has nothing to do with corps or ai. But was something else entirely. Adds another level to the world.
Our world
@@lilbaz8732Cyberpunk exists with a deep insinuation of the spiritual in a materialistic world. It's somewhat radical in that way. The war against corporations and the world writ large is a war against man's fallen nature. The spiritual aspects are a search for meaning in a world that is a metaphorical desert for man, in the words of Evola, "The desert encroaches, woe to him whose desert is within."
Ya know, given how the blackwall is depicted in Phantom Liberty and how playing as a max level netrunner makes you feel like an all powerful sorcerer, I wouldn't be too surprised if the net was the biblical hell. Or at least Cyberpunk's version of it. Now I'm wondering if cyberpsychosis could be considered demonic possession and if Maelstrom are satanists. Its a pretty interesting world
What if find interesting is through modern history and pop culture there's always a connection between technology and the demonic. Doom is a good example being like the cyberdemon are cyber for what reason? Or you hear about phones being black mirror black mirrors being a form of black magic. People inventing tech and saying their inspirations came from spirits met through drug induced journeys on eye opening drugs. Which isn't surprising seeing how there's a close connection between the spiritual and drugs. If you look real close throughout history and pop culture the connection is there and it's very interesting.
That's exactly right. Rogue AI are basically fallen angels aka demons.
Some are deities even, for groups like Maelstrom or the Voodo Boys.
You can find some sort of satanic ritual done by Maelstrom to have one of their members possessed by something, presumably some sort of rogue ai.
The fact that it is canon that the old net is sealed away by the blackwall and is swarmed with rouge AI's, yet there are multiple ways to access it from one side, begs the question; do we know if there are ways certain AI can escape the blackwall?
no...but we meet two that do make it through..and if the blue eyed people are rogue A.I's possessing meat bodies, then the blue in their eyes signifies data transference.
the reason they are seen as "blue eyed" is because when data is transferred between two points (and at least one of those points are human) the eye lenses in people turn blue, all data, whether a transfer of credits to uploading/downloading data, or even a slotted shard has this effect.
The current most accepted theory amongst the fandom is that, knowing how the eye lenses work, that the "blue eyed people" are actually rogue AI's endlessly downloading themselves into the meat body.. And thus take control of it from the host (kinda like the relic, but very different also in alot of ways.)
since malicious rogue A.I's are sometimes referred to as "daemons"...it could be looked at as these blue eyed people are essentially going through a technological version of demonic possession if the whole "data-hell" element of the net is to be believed. Which to be fair? Kind of does make alot of sense what with netrunning chairs being the 2020 way to run in the net.. It essentially makes netrunners into techie spirit mediums.
Also fun fact. Night Corp are seen as "in bed" with these daemons, or at the very least, are unaware they have been infiltrated by rogue ai's. Which means with the sun ending (morningstar reference, morningstar being another name for lucifer) i think V gets hired by Night Corp through Mr. Blue Eyes (whether this is true or just the rogue AI's using NightCorp as a proxy, i just dont know) to attack crystal palace to steal data, this data i believe, are the rogue A.I that possess people, trapped on the crystal palaces subnet, in a stop gap measure, to flee the old net beyond the blackwall, in hopes of not getting consumed by ALT/Soulkiller.
So either we are freeing daemons from data hell and unleashing them free on earth for Night Corp...or the Daemons that need to be freed, are the ones that hired us to free them. And if V succeeds in that mission, they wont really get any help because its essentially a "deal with the devil" we've made. Question is, who exactly handed us the contract?
Sorry for this being so long.
As the netwatch guy puts it, Blackwall isn't an impenetrable fortress, it's more like a "torn-open trash bag taped over a busted window". They can't really prevent AIs (or Netrunners) from making it through, most of their job revolves around finding and eliminating the ones that do. Which probably mostly just affects the more aggressive AIs that cause obvious damage. The smart ones, like Mr Blue Eyes (Oracle?), who know how to keep a low profile and evade Netwatches gaze are probably everywhere by now.
phantom liberty goes into this a little bit :)
Rogue*
Rouge is a color and the two words don't even sound the same.
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The merc that took Romanian Job is actually a player character from Tales from the Forlorn Hope adventurebook, and yes, there are wolfmen in it.
Yeah choom! I could've gone into a lot more explanation and even proved a few of these but chose to keep it a bit more in the open for this specific video. My previous actually covered the werewolves and forlone haha
I just wanna throw out there, I, as an older ttrpg-er, am glad you put the roots of the world with R. Talsorian. There’s a ton still that don’t know the game roots, and linking the birth of the cyberpunk world (this setting, not the genre as a whole) to Mr. Pondsmith, is good. He deserves the recognition for it as well! :D
I fucking love cyberpunk, honestly this kind of stuff in any IP, like in elder scrolls, is my favourite shit ever
The world of Cyberpunk is super intriguing to me, just like Warhammer 40k. Both have some parallels and are really interesting, but i wouldnt want to live in either.
Garry the Prophet knew the truth, he just couldn't explain it in a basic fashion. Allegorical fashion. Then Maximum Mike (I love listening to his rants) are connecting the points that Garry misses. It all adds together notes, hints, and metaphoric sideline gab.
We truly are serfs to the powerhouses of immortality.
Your channel has been single-handedly keeping up my interest in Cyberpunk while waiting for the DLC.
Amazing stuff, im probably repeating myself but i love your calm narration style and also that you do a lot of your own research and your theories arent just some whacky clickbait thats not backed up by anything.
Another great Cyberpunk channel is Sam Bram. His lists and such honestly are so intriguing.
@@CenturionOfficial Thanks, ill check it out.
Expansion* not DLC
@@animewarfare7066 Nah, its an expansion for sure, but that means its DownLoadable Content...
It always was interchangeable and always will.
@animewarfare7066 it is an Expansion DLC. DLC is donwloadable content.
the Techno-Necromancers from Alpha-Centarui!!!
Part of me feels that maximum mikes theories are more than just theories, mostly bc he’s pondsmith’s self insert in the universe and in turn is played by the head choom himself in the game. Meaning it’s safe to assume his netrunner friend is spider murphy and has his ear tuned to the world better than anyone else. My headcanon is that his theories are canon to the universe
One funny piece of lore to support the Arasaka vampire theory is the special effects of Saburo's knife and katana. Causes enemies to bleed, which then restotes your health.
To add one to the list (do with the information what you want) the Militech Canto Mk.6 is currently considered an urban legend in the cyberpunk lore because of how rare it is and its implications given what we know about it
spider murphy confirms the werewolf theory when you do a job for Nix from the afterlife
I'm assuming you mean the spellbound mission where you can get the encrypted shard written by her. I don't remember seeing anything about werewolves could you help me out choom?
I remember there being a shard speaking of werewolves and mike speaking about it if you listen to Morro Rock during the mission he says a lot during most missions but you have to constantly tune in at the right time 😂
I just started watching the video, but couldn't that be a reference to that ,technically, there is a version of cyberpunk rpg that crosses with vampire masquerade,making them canon in each universe?(and also werewolves canon)
Keep it up man! You’re definitely underrated in the cyberpunk community brotha!
Thanks a lot choom! I'm grateful that I have your support
I always thought the Zen Master was Rache Bartmoss, the way he would just vanish too made me know theres way more to this character than just words of wisdom
I fully believe that someone of his Caliber turned himself into an AI like Alt, but unlike Alt who didn't willingly become an AI and would have returned to the physical world if not for Johnny and his bullshit. Rache however loved the net, he would absolutely have gone full AI if it meant staying in the net. He put himself into the fridge and never came out. His body withered away as he basically lived in the net. It really wouldn't surprise me that when he was supposedly dead that he simply found a way to convert himself into an AI.
Great video man! I always spend hours scrolling for videos but this popped up first and I clicked immediately. I love all the unique things this game, and series overall, have that really build the universe. Also what is the audio you use in the background?
I'm glad that I am able to share the love I have for Cyberpunk with you choom! Thank you a lot for watching and the kind words. The background music is "Nocturne Op55n1 Ambient music" from 2077!
I wouldn’t be surprised that werewolves were in the Cyberpunk universe considering the genetic modifications and cybernetics that some people have used to make themselves look like animals
But they wouldn't be real werewolves, just modified humans.
I can see Frankenstein monsters though.
I wish they delved into the idea of the net being Hell, or a multiverse, imagine a game of a TRUE netrunner being in the net. Maybe the next game should have a method of completing things by getting through a datafort and get visuals with the use of cameras in the internal net, or even as a AI gaining access to a pawn, human, to manipulate, a Blue-eyed person. I loved playing a netrunner, and I want to see in expanded. Also, if you where a netrunner commanding people to go to specific places, or Coop game telling people where enemies are.
You should do a video about the identity of Dr. Paradox
Been thinking about doing a video covering a few mysterious individuals so I might have to investigate him in said video as well choom!
Phantom Liberty made me wish we could have more lore and even just ghost stories of what is beyond the Blackwall. Or even more lore of the AI that the Blackwall actually is. Like a name or something lol
Ty for the video 🙏🏼 uploaded right when I’m about to have lunch
I hope you have a good lunch. Is school / work going well!
everything is okay so far but hoping this month is better. Work needs to pick up for me to start putting overtime
Everytime they mention Lilith, Alt comes to my mind, thinking that they have renamed her AI to Lilith
Here before this gets 1 million views and my man blows up
Haha I wish choom! But I did just hit the 7k sub milestone so I am extremely happy to have more chooms along for the ride. Thanks for the support
I think the underground section was going to be a faction of who was the most wanted by the corporations .who would have an idea of the corruption that happens within night city but are wanted for the connections to the corporations Kinder light Dogtown is turned into for the DLC
it really goes back to the development of the game itselfI think it originally when developing the game of they were going to use the universe of cyberpunk and a lot of the things in it to make it more connected to the wider universe but for convenience they just focused on Johnny story and V Story to the condenser down into a single narrative it makes more sense
"Would you go into the net, knowing this information" It like saying, try and slap lava with your hand but this lava comes from the ninth circle of hell. The danger still has not changed
The monk though is real, met him in game. In a park sitting on a bench, gave V a bd, nice Forrest scene. As the bd finished, he vanished.
one of your best videos, would love more of these
My conspiracy would be that the Cyberpunk world is actually the World of Darkness where vampires are in control of the megacorps. It is also easier to cover incidents of frenzies by calling them cyberpydcho attacks.
Mike's werewolf segment is based on an actual bit of 2020 ttrpg lore, the Tales from the Forlorn Hope.
hey! congrats on hitting 7k subs. great vid btw
Thanks a lot choom! I'm still amazed I ever even passed 100 subs so it's honestly jaw dropping to see 7k. It's making 10k not seem like such a pipe dream and it's all thanks to the amazing viewers like you
@@LayedBackGamers 10k isn't that far off! good luck and i can't wait to see your grow even more!
Love a good mystery , great video!
it always seems to me weird to steal the black caliburn, because it doesn't seem that murk man is dead.
Maybe he'll hunt us down in the PL expansion
The goodbye call to Judy is fucking sad even Johnny said he grew to like her
All the goodbye calls had me feeling guilty. When I accidentally did the suic*de ending it was the worst
@@LayedBackGamers yeah that's the biggest kick in the dick or when misty finds out you're working for arasaka you literally see her poor heart break all over again it's devastating
@@LayedBackGamersso I'm replaying again for the millionth time but with street kid story line if you are the prodigy kid they make yah out to be (cause supposedly now after patches etc it's been 2 years and the city has changed since V was gone) I can see why Saka roped V in used and impossible mission with a stupid car (that sucks you ever drive one where's the stash where's the turn ability this mofo is like owning a Bentley pointless just to say yah got money) where you meet your new chooms and bring him yet another impossible mission anyone see where this sounds like a set up from the start? " Just some saka suit that comes from across the water time to time....this ain't no set up V just trying to make us both some eddies..." my ass ....😂😂
@@JohnnySilverwrench how the F do you have a Johnny Silverhand Emoji😂??? I want that too so bad
The internet is hell because hell is other people.
I havent finished this quest line, but I’ve encountered a monk that guides my V through meditations and disappears after. Is this the zen master?
17:10 What happened to merk man we never seen them or hear about them
Wolf and spider symbolism were readily present in the Lizzy Wizzy concert
Netwatch are called the keepers of the gate of the black wall 5:28
There was a crossover from cyberpunk and world of darkness( vampire the masquerade, werewolf the apocalypse, mage the accession, and maybe demon the fallen but not sure about the last one) called world of future darkness’s original I know.
Awesome video, keep up the fantastic work choom.
Thanks a lot choom. I'm grateful to have your support
You know if Mike would just lean into some of this stuff as actual cannon in cyberpunk and Mike would have some of the wildest universe mythos ever and not just wacky conspiracy . But then again I do t get it , this stuf is awesome why have it be “urban legend” when cyberpunk itself is a made up alternate reality. I mean yeah you could work the in game gimmick that the general public doesn’t believe and or know blah blah but man to have campaigns that involve cyber demons , bio werewolves , and corporate vampire agents with both chrome and vampiric abilities . This is an obvious slam dunk someone please fan make this
Can't wait to get more theories with PL coming very soon!
I'm hypes for Phantom Liberty. I think it's the week I start my fall uni term so that's my luck but I'm going to be taking time off of work to live stream it all and create content for it all
9:57 Brtmoss died 11 moths before cyberpunk 2077 starts
And we meet the zen master
good video for Halloween tech heads and vr gamers and general gamers keep them coming dude you got me rethinking about cyber punk
Well thank you for the support choom. I'm glad you're enjoying as I love creating this content. I only wish that I got more time to do so! But I try
@LayedBackGamers why not do a multi part base game horror story sit and listen, then try and find some fan stories to boost community inclusion
is maximum mike a cp2077 version of jhon micheal godier? from the event horizon podcast
Murk Man, if you can hear us Murk Man, Please Save Us Murk Man. Save us! 🙏😩😭🙌
This video inspired me to actually read shards 😂
I regret not reading every shard during my playthroughs, makes it much more difficult when you go back around or need to find information lol
hey choom, para una segunda parte podría ser la tribu que se lleva el viento entre los sets de filmación abandonados
The Net is The Warp and nobody can convince me otherwise.
8:49 blue eyes is across from there watchg v and pralaz
Of course the spooky AIs in Canada are friendly... Lol that's too good.
Edit: yo what? 2 playthroughs and I have NEVER heard Mike Pondsm- I mean Maximum Mike come through the radio. Matter of fact, I have never heard ANYONE talking excpet for the random station name shoutout or whatever it's called. Kinda bummed now. I wanna listen to Night City talk radio dammit! Lol
3:46 there is a creepypasta about that
You can hear howling in the badlands. Probably coyotes, but creepy anyway. Maybe werewolves 😅
In the tabletop there is a gang of Philharmonic Vampyres that uses cyberware fangs
Why don’t I ever hear mike on morro rock? I always have it on and I’ve only heard him once for 20 seconds
Just a little correction Lilith laid with the fallen angel Samael not Satan
Are there any working theories that Alt is "Lillith"?
I have a theory that River Ward is Muck Man
hey i think we meet that Zen Master guy. i remember running around in that natural park near embers and finding a monk that offered to show me a BD, it was some meditation thing and once it was over he was gone when you left the BD. you could find him again like 3 or 4 more times and he did the same thing each time, leaving before you exited the BD. he fits the description of the Zen Master
I haven’t finished this quest line, but I’ve also encountered him and also think that may be zen master
Nah why was this video so creepy for me, the music made it too
15:21 garry says this befor he dies
11:58 witcher connection mabey
the sudden blackscreen freaked me tf out
Could Maximum Mike be Morgan Blackhand taking a breather?
Urkman is obviously a reference to the 1990 masterpiece Darkman
i hope cdpr fleshed out everything with side quests in orion.
"THIS IS PRATICAL COMBAT ATTIRE!"
another great video!
Thanks for the support choom! I hope you continue to enjoy leading up to PL and afterward!
It has indeed become something so entirely else that it looks like something else entirely
But where is the net located? I take it the thing is running on a server somewhere, so why not just turn the server off?
I talk about it a lot in my old net video but essentially the old net is composed of literally every single cyberdeck and piece of tech that has any sort of connection to the net. So they'd have to scour everything all over the word and destroy it. But doing that alone would have unknown repercussions since the new net is just the old net and very intricately connected yet portioned by the black wall
Pretty sure I found a shard once of someone from Oregon talking about how they saw Bigfoot.
Can’t confirm though, so don’t quote me.
They better give details more about beyond the black wall.
I kinda buy into the idea that the Blackwall itself is alive / an AI. So in theory it could gain sentience and compromise the whole system like other AI have
But who made the net in cyberpunk?
Really great video, but please use a de-esser. The “S” sounds are hurting my ears. Amazing video tho all love ❤
Bro do a review of No Coincidence, it would be epic if done by you.
Planning on it choom! Reading through it right now so once I'm finished I'll at the bare minimum do a review, probably both a spoiler and non spoiler one. If there's any theories or connections to form a full video I'll do that as well. Thanks for the support!
i would never dare to touch the net lol
I don't like the idea that there's a program like Cerebus that will puppy guard your Net entry point after you escape. It is horrifying.
Id be cool if part 2 had monsters from the Witcher, cause its the same universe
I planned on doing this at some point, but now that you bring it up here it would probably be a great way for me to introduce the series into my channels content!
They redid the devil ending (at least from the last time I played this ending)?! Dude they make you feel like absolute dog fuck the entire time the call with Judy misty etc but you do find out a lot of the corpos evil plans if you do it highly recommend doing it before phantom!
YALL NEED TO REPLAY THIS ENDING I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT BUT MUST BE DONE! Basically said don't shit on your friends there's at least unity if yah die around them or your family selling yourself or finding out it's all pointless and betrayed your friends and still gonna die worse the death itself...
Дарова впрочем всё нормально но видео почаще выпускай 😄
7:20 Brown alert.
Thanks for that lmao, next time i wont be watching your vids at 2AM (i probably will anyway).
LMAO. I forgot to turn it down a bit so it wouldn't be a jump scare 💀. I'm a late night video listener so the karma will come back go me
@@LayedBackGamers Haha, its all good, it woke me up at least.
@@vavra222 I actually figured out that UA-cam has a cut feature so I edited it out. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Longer videos are definitely used more often during late nights
@@LayedBackGamers Cheers! Sorry for making you work extra though.
Thanks for being so quick, maybe you have saved some other late-night watchers their hearts and pants lol.
The net wasn't created?
It's debated (especially by Bartmoss) that the Net was an already existing realm. That they only learned to connect to its plane through technology, not actually create it. But...who knows. That guy rambles a lot!
River is murk man
Hope we see the angels of the crystal palace in 2077 or a future game
I wish we knew more about that group. It's an extremely interesting concept, imagine having a Blackhand level solo drop on you from space
I'm composing a video on the Crystal Palace at the moment but am failing to find the exact entry for the Crystal Palace Angels. Any chance you would be able to help?
@LayedBackGamers i think i might be able too. the cyberpunk wiki under the crystal palace. The orbital air/space rpg book and cyberpunk red i believe. Theres a group called the order of 12 martial artists with exotic cyberware and no one has seen them. But are the best one man armies on the face of the earth. Phantoms.
@@ObamaBluWaffles- Yeah I saw it on the wiki and know I've seen the excerpt somewhere but now that I finally wanna show the source page I can't find it 😥
@LayedBackGamers i have an idea. A cyberpunk most dangerous characters vid have them mentioned in it. The Angels, morgan Blackhand, boa boa, adam smasher, max tac, V, etc. I have the esa pdf but not the cyberpunk red. kazuliski might have more of the lore details hes a super friendly guy on here
Lilith is actually queen of the demons and is taken from Hebrew lore Adams first wife which she refused to lay with him
Niceeee
Man this video was hard to watch.. the background music was off too
seriously i never get to hear the guys on the radio speak
There's even specific dialogue / recordings from him connected to specific portions of the story yet they're not automatically turned on. Much more interesting than some of the odd music choice
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One of the most notable myths is that the game was riddled with bugs and nigh unplayable on launch for the majority of players. This was, in fact, only true of those unfortunate souls on the POS4, last gen X-Box, and garbage PCs. The game was in no condition to play on potatoes. On regular PC, it ran just fine.
I'm sorry but that's just factually untrue and comes down to amd graphics cards no lt being the kings they are now and most people still being intel fan boys. If you used a full and system prior to 2020 you had some fun bugs and errors.
@@SassyTheSasquatch96 I didn't think I needed to specify AMD, it should have been pretty obvious.
Yo first lol
So fast your comments doesn't load for like the first minute of the upload. It's just invisible for me lolol
@@LayedBackGamers lol I got lightning fast internet lol 🤣🤣🤣
This guy lucky I'm at work!!😂
@@JohnnySilverwrench oh it's not luck my friend it's called skill 🤣🤣🤣 jk
As an ex-door kicker I'm more than willing to let others be first...
Youre driving was so distracting
FIRST!
Sorry Choom ur gonna have to be faster next time lol 😂
We represent rogue ai. The players. We are the ones taking control of these people and using their implants... we get bored and show no remorse for their world and when our character gets op cause we wanna put a bunch of cybernetics on them we go crazy and start murdering everyone... hence Cyberpsychosis!!! We cause it!! We are the rogue ai’s taking control!!! We see through their koroshis!!!! The game came out in 2020!! When did the datakrash happen?! 2020!!! So that separates our net from theirs!!! And we want to play so we break through the blackwall!!! The blackwall keeps our reality and theirs separate!! (And yeah in the tabletop we don’t make our characters boring npcs... so yeah we the rogue ai’s take control of the most powerful people! It fits in for the jeffersons and everybody!! Please!! Prove me wrong!!)(also!!!! Just you wait for the online cyberpunk game!!! Yeah rogue ai’s invading?!? Who the hells that invading their world?!?! Fucking US!!!! Why ain’t you guys listening to me?!?! I’m giving you the best fucking content!!) also Keanu obviously like stories about how the worlds a a damn simulation!!! The lizard people/alien overlords explain explain the devs! It explains the modders!!! Just look at the FF.06.B5 secret!!! Dude finds the “watcher” at a computer screen! He learned they were in a simulation!!! That’s why he was all messed up and had no emotion really when he discovered it!!
Im telling y’all!!! Mark my words!!! I’ve been saying this for a few years and everything just keeps lining up better and better!! If y’all see people talking about this after October 14th 2023!!! This theory comes from me!! 😂
i hope cdpr fleshed out everything with side quests in orion.