You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Favorite holiday is Veterans Day. As a vet I feel I owe a debt of gratitude to those who came before and those who follow. I love the Troll of the week. It occurred to me to try and “win” that contest just so I can get trolled back. Your comebacks are always priceless and give me a big smile each time.
Independence day! Hey Cam, I just replaced my Grizzly 3hp table saw..... ... Hold it. Hold it.. Boom, the sawstop ICS 5hp, waiting on the mobile base for setup. I just watched this video, again to get my major Sawstop excitement going. I'm retired 61 but this was a dream saw for me. Cam, thanks for all you're videos. You are by far the best communicating "content creater on UA-cam!"
Love your content, Im a Carpentry instructor at our local community college here in Nova Scotia and we have 4 of these same saws they are the best by far and the safety aspect in a setting like the college is priceless. Cheers and keep up the awesome content.
SS is giving away saws to all UA-cam content creators with a large audience for advertisement and choking off the competition. And the fact that they are 10 mins away makes it a no brainer!
I live just outside of London ( UK ) in Tunbridge Wells. I am a loyal Royalist and I have just experienced the Platinum Jubilee. Although not strictly a Holiday, it was a magnificent three day spectacular event. The light show projected onto Buckingham Palace was indeed impressive. Your skill as demonstrated really impresses me, love it. When I win the lottery I will fly out to meet you, subject to invitation, there I will bleed you dry on helping me design and equip my dream workshop. Dream on. My best regards to you Sir. John Roake.
Has to be Christmas, celebrating our Lords birth! Thanks for the review of the ICS. I have had the 3 hp PCS for about 3 years and love it. Love your new saw though. Big fan of SawStop!
Boxing day is my favorite holiday because it's the day after christmas and extends that break from work out just a little longer. Plus it's a good buffer to my birthday.
@@BlacktailStudio sure it is. Why should my reasoning for liking a holiday be any less legitimate than some other silly reason like religion or tradition?
Ive owned my sawstop for many years, i ordered one before they were even made, ive yet to find fault in these saws, im a believer ..... woodworker for 35 years and still got all ten fingers!
Edit: Christmas of course, celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. Congratulations. I just picked up my 36” 3hp PCS. I’ve got a garage shop, so space is premium. It’s clearly the highest quality most expensive piece of equipment that I have. But as a retired Marine living on disability, I’ve got to take baby steps. I splurged on the sawstop for the obvious reasons. Quality and my desire to keep the appendages I have left. I enjoy your content and look forward to more. Thanks 2nd edit: Boxing Day is a British holiday where the servants trade places with their masters. ( learned that from an episode of MASH)
I asked him this before but he just said he wasn’t really interested in them which is his choice. I think every cut in this video would have been easier and faster on a euro slider with a larger blade, particularly I noticed the way the pieces caught on the table and didn’t pull back smoothly and then trying to cut 4” material in two passes is a hassle.
@@austin357 I agree. I own a Hammer K3, and while it's not an "industrial" slider like a Felder or Martin, it's still light years ahead of a sliding attachment on a cabinet saw.
I really need the Sawstop feature. I know some people are comfortable without it. Just a personal choice. A local shop I go to has a Martin slider than can take a 22” blade. It’s pretty slick.
@@BlacktailStudio that’s perfectly reasonable, if we all thought the same the world would be boring. Hopefully felder will eventually bring their non-destructive equivalent tech down from the format4 line!
Thanks for your videos you have always been so informative straight to the point showing your mistakes as experience not failures. No need to respond. So glad to see you are doing well. Thanks Chris
I had a 5 hp powermatic 66 3 phase for 12 years and loved it. The weight and build were significant. However age and eye sight started to get into my head and realized that my insurance deductible was more than a new SawStop. After reading Chris Schwarz's review of the PCS, judged against his gold standard the Powermatic 66 I went with the ICS which addressed all the critiques Schwarz raised. After using it for 2 months now I like it WAY better than my 66 . The engineering on the different features are clever and fit and finish are top notch. I got the small slider as well . It's a little finicky but I am learning to use it and it is proving very useful.
Christmas Day! Thank you for showing the sliding table…I’m waiting for my 3hp PCS 52” with the TSG-FDC to come in. One employee tried to talk me out of the slider but it was what I wanted and your video just enforced the need. I don’t think I need the industrial saw as you have as I’m not a professional. You’re absolutely correct that the employees at SawStop are top notch and they don’t receive any commission if you buy from them and we’re quite happy that I was buying from a local dealership here in N.C. thanks again!
Boxing Day: Began with masters "boxing" up Christmas presents for their house servants. Now the rich give Christmas presents to those less fortunate. Celebrated on the day after Christmas...why do I feel like that just earned me the troll of the week? Great video as always. Wonder if you could do a dust skirt with velcro as the another subscriber suggested, but leave the front open so you can still see the blade and to keep airflow going. Ps. LOVE how you handle trolls.
Awesome set-up. Best saw in my opinion. Not that my opinion matters. If anyone has any issues with saw stop Stumpy Nubs has a video on it explaining the benefits and myths of saw stop.
The smaller PCS, 1.75 HP will cut through just about anything you want to throw at it, walnut, maple and even some exotic eucalyptus I got full logs of from someone. I've cut through all of those with the blade at full height, 3.x inches with no or very little burning. It helps to have a good sharp blade and everything on the saw adjusted to the nth degree. I often cut thin veneer, walnut, maple, etc., with the SS.. Incredible machine worth every penny plus it helps that it isn't going to cut your fingers off and that alone is worth the price of admission. Believe me when I tell you that your fingers are not immune to the effects of a high speed spinning blade. It only takes a split second to slip up and it isn't nearly as much fun as seen on TV..
This kind of saw is so American. Over here in Germany the maximum size saw in this style with a fixed table is tiny compared to this. The bigger saws over here are all format tablesaws, those get quite small to compensate for the lack of this style of machine. Check out the Hammer K3 or the Felder 500 for a saw in a similar price range
And the Minimax sc 3c. 12" blade, compact footprint, truly a well designed sliding table. The sawstop sliding table looks positively flimsy by comparison.
Agree with you 100% on the AWESOME assembly paradigm SawStop has come up with. I use to do RTA assembly, so I have lots of experience with assembly, and NOTHING I've ever encountered comes close to being as good instructions and hardware/parts management as the SawStop experience.
Just picked up a used 5hp ics for a great price. I need to do a motor/electric swap out because I don't have 3phase. This saw was sold from a school shop class.
Christmas. Brings memories of playing in the snow as a kid long with the tranquil beauty around the mountain meadows I used to go snow-shoeing in. Congrats on the Epic saw upgrade! I'm a huge fan of Hammer/Felder 5 function combination machines, but as a hobbyist I can't really justify that expense.
I've worked in commercial and hobbyist woodworking all my life. I've never tried a Saw Stop brand saw but I've heard lots of good things about them. I cut my teeth on Delta Unisaw and old Laguna sliding table saws, as well as bigger commercial equipment by SCM, Ball, Diehl, Michael Weinig, Nash, and other brands. What I've learned over the years is that top quality equipment in absolutely a must. Next is an intimate understanding of that tools use and adjustment, as well as its safe operation. In my early years, I worked alongside far too many old veterans with missing fingers and complete body impalement from kick backs (one half way through his face). So if a quality piece of equipment can save a few body parts, it has to be a good thing.
Wow. I've heard about a lot of hand injuries due to a table saw, but this was the first tooth injury. You gotta stop feeding wood through the saw with your mouth!
lols that climatic build up for the replacement of a sawstop with a sawstop. Enjoy your new saw. I passed on an ICS for a PCS. Because of 3 phase power issues. Although that 5hp ICS and larger table top would have been a beast over that 3hp PCS.
National Beer Day is a real holiday even if I have to look up the date. :) I just moved into a new house and upgraded from a 3/4-car garage to a 600sqft dedicated shop. The ICS is way overkill for a hobbyist like me but I'm looking forward to having room to replace all of my must-be-mobile/foldable/packable tools and upgrading my jobsite Bosch Reaxx (yes, the one Sawstop sued to stop selling in the US) with a still-overkill-for-me SawStop PCS -- even though I actually like Bosch's mechanism more because it resets faster and doesn't destroy my blades.
You're going to laugh. I've been woodworking for over a year now without a table saw. Why? Because I'm saving for a sawstop. They're a seriously cool product.
Awesome. About the instructions for your new table saw, well that is what supposed to be. Love the color coordinated with the parts. Agree, 99% of instructions on anything are either scant or if any, not in color and not specific so I usually end up looking for YTb videos a lot for better instructions. Yes, companies should emulate SawStop. May be one I get that table. Congratulations. 🎉
Sawstop made an excellent choice giving that saw to you. You are very very good at explaining things. I have seen a ton of table saw videos made by new owners and the manufacturer and I would put this one at the top of the pile. Plus your exceptional woodworking skills. Yes Sir, that was a smart move for Sawstop. Art
Any holiday is great for some rest....Nice upgrade on the HP's, bigger shop requires bigger tools and you will be able to process pretty much everything you get a request for, very professional, Congratulations.
Here I am with my 8 1/4 dewalt job site saw dreaming of the SawStop contractor model and then I see this… Sweet looking setup for sure! Christmas is the favorite with thanksgiving and Easter tied for second.
Christmas Day. But not for getting gifts. I just like getting my kids the perfect gift, and watch their faces. I don’t have a question or comment for you. Just wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and hopes for a far superior, COVID free 2021.
Christmas is the best! Hi Cam, I had the same issues with my fence stop measurement on a similar setup when i first started using it. The trick is to fully flip the stop over so the stop covers the measuring tape. e.g. flip the stop a full 180 degrees. The stop then perfectly lines up with the measuring tape. Hard to explain without a picture. Hope it makes sense!
Veterans Day to remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to protect our freedoms. Really can see the gray in your wall color collection. Very nice. I wise I was around when you traded your Toyota. I know why but really like that year. Congrats on the table saw. That motor will maintain a constant speed throughout the cut. Where is the suction motor mounted and what is its hp rating? I may have missed that part. I'll watch again. Admire your new shop and would watch any video on its set up.
Boxing Day: 26 December, started in England in 17th Century, when a Christmas “box” a present or gratuity would be given to to anyone who works for you or performed a service. In my native England I used to get a Christmas box from people I delivered Newspapers to. I guess if you were landed gentry you’d were too busy on Christmas Day. It’s a Public holiday still. Also observed in former British territories incl. Canada and many European counties. PS loved the table saw.
Wait what? How did I not know that Saw Stop was in PDX? I know this video is about a year old, but thank you for letting me know I will be buying local.
Christmas. This was a great review. I am just a hobbyist so I learn a lot from you and I enjoy watching each of your videos. I have a Sawstop 1.75 PCS and I love it. It’s a Hugh upgrade over my old Delta TS-300. I can’t see ever needing the ICS but it was really informative to see your review. I was especially interested in the slider. Good work as always. I look forward to your videos. Thanks J.
NY day. Boxing day is so called because the day after Christmas the church used to open the donation boxes and distribute their contents to the poor 😊 Great video, super jealous of your new setup Cam!
4th of July. It’s warm and beer is involved! I’d love to have a Saw Stop but they’re so spendy. I guess I’ll just continue to get by with my Bosch portable. Your shop is really amazing. Just keep the content coming so we can continue to live vicariously through you, Cam! Thanks ....and can we not talk about this years Civil War? 🦆
I learned how to install duct at like 15. By 18 I could make a flat piece of metal into almost any imaginable 3D shape. My grandma owns an HVAC company. Nice duct. Very clean.
Holiday? Hmmm....The Marine Corps Birthday? No....I guess it’s Thanksgiving. Cam, when I saw the title for this video I was ready to e-punch you. I am a devoted and proud Sawstop 3hp PCS owner so....I’m cool with your “replacement.” 🤣 I could not agree more with your opinion on the assembly instructions and Sawstop customer service...top notch! I recently sold my home and shop and my plans are to find a place (land) where I can put up a building for my next/new shop. My first upgrade may not be the ICS but definitely the slider and dust collector arm. Nice job...and your gratitude and humility are appreciated. (You have the best trolls....that’s something....🤔, right?)
Thanks for the video. I'm about to replace my 1960's (old but still very good) table saw, I inherited from my grandpa, with a new machine and I've really been looking at the sawstop saws. My main worry was if the saw would be a "good for my lifetime" purchase and you said that it was. One of the reasons I need to replace my old saw is they quit making them decades ago and I can't get parts for it. I worry that if sawstop goes out of business I won't be able to get the safety stop cartridges or specialized belt (if they have them) anymore.
I'm a delta unisaw guy, our mill shop has the polar opposite of the sawstop... 40s era 16 inch oliver pattern makers tilting table saw. If you don't use the manual break it spins for at least 6 min. After powered down. It looks like it will kill you powered off
Labor Day/Veterans Day. I've really enjoyed sharing in the delightful thrill of watching the transformation of your dream shop. It's so satisfying to see people realizing thier goals. My question is: Do you miss flying and do you intend on keeping at least a Private Pilot rating?
My pilot certificate never goes away. So I’ll always be an ATP/commercial pilot. That said, no. I’ll probably never fly again. And am very ok with that 😊
New Year's Day - can't wait for 2020 to be over. For this weekend warrior on a budget, the Sawstop CNS is good enough. Added a metal floor, cut a hole for a 4" dust pipe, and added a box around the rear-mounted motor. The underneath portion of the dust collection works pretty well, although I do have to manually help some of the sawdust into the duct when I change blades. Now I have to figure out how to get overhead dust collection. Huge upgrade from the BT3100 in terms of power, fence accuracy and squareness. The midget sliding table was nice, but an Incra miter gage does angles extremely well. Great video to drool over, thank you!
Hi. I do not understand why these cabinets saw's are called professional saws. It is from my part of the world and my view almost a toy. I have a Felder K700 sliding table and a Sawstop. Bougth the Sawstop with the sliding attachment and man.. what utter rubbis, sad to say. I had hopes of minimizing the footprint of tools in the shop, but selling the Sliding table saw and only have the Sawstop would be like going back from a Mercedes to a Gocart. With all your slabs and long cut, and as a company you should have done your self a favour and saved up for a sliding saw. It would have been a game changer. (I do know that Felter as such are crayzy expensive) Love your channel and your work. Keep them vids coming :) TR
Christnmas for me! Thanks so much for the video. My wife ordered this saw for me a couple weeks back. Can't wait to get it. Rockler hasn't been able to tell us when it will arrive but I sure hope it is soon. Merry Christmas!
It's pretty..... After retiring from three full cabinet shops full of $$$$$ machines, and can build a $50k walnut kitchen with a circular saw, a router and a pocket hole jig, a compressor and a simple hvlp gun after all that....I still build many , but the money I save to play on the boat is a lot more fun. I'm all for sawstop in employee environments, and if you get demos for theirtube, but for those thinking you need one....you don't, and you could be on the water in a boat. Be smart with any saw....and be smart with what saw. On the golf range I've proved the same....technique before shiny tools.
My best holidays are not holidays but birthdays. I have 3 children and 8 grandchildren. Grandchildren birthdays are the best for me! I am their papy, LOL. It's a real joy to me!
Christmas - largely because I get a second helping of Thanksgiving dinner. Just wanted to thank you for the shout out to William Ng. He deserves the love. I've learned a great deal from him and own the Whiteside William Ng fingernail bit.
Greetings from Australia mate, what a really in depth review on such a magnificent Table Saw & I think it’s a next level tool investment for the Professional cabinet maker. Great channel & I’m subscribed 🎥🔨👍
I have the same saw. The "original" SS dust collection arm is MUCH better, for dust collection, because it collects dust from the front of the blade, and the sides move independently. That arm would collect most dust even if the DC wasn't turned on because it leveraged airflow created by the spinning blade. The arm in this video was originally designed by another company (purchased by SS) and doesn't leverage SawStop's original dust collection innovations. That said, I'm toying with the idea of purchasing this arm and redesigning the blade shroud to collect dust from the front of the blade. This could be accomplished by adding some plexiglass to redirect the airflow/suction to the front. I would also add some movable side panel to address the problem from partial cuts. This arm has more potential than the original arm because the larger tubing can move more air overall. But optimization is needed.
To add one more comment...the reason it's so difficult to collect dust at the rear of the blade is because a lot of dust is “caught” in the gullets of the blade and slung forward as the blade comes around (some dust is also created when the blade scrapes the board at the back, but this isn’t the main problem). To capture this dust, it must be dislodged from the gullet (using a pressurized air stream aimed at the gullet, for example) or grabbed at the front after it’s free. Because the blade is spinning so fast, the air velocity required to grab this fast-moving dust must also be high. A high vacuum DC, like the industrial high vac Oneida unit, will improve the odds for success. I have the high vac Oneida unit but it’s not installed yet. I’m more and more tempted to get this overarm SS unit and run some experiments. I’m convinced with the right DC and a redesign of the shroud, this setup could be best in class.
Full respect to you .... Not just for your content but for the fact you called out to the original UA-camr with the 5 cut method. Once again you reinforced wine I subscribed to your Channel. Thank you for sharing your passion . What are the internal dimensions of your shop?
Veterans Day! I'm equal parts happy for you and jealous at the same time. I've had the 3hp PCS for three years now and I absolutely love it. Like you, I subscribe to the Willian Ng method and it's true....math doesn't lie;-) I have the standard blade guard/dust collection unit and I'm really happy with it since my shop takes up the entire basement. If I had room for the sliding attachment, it would already be installed. That said, I don't work on too many large projects so I can get by with my panel saw or track saw. At any rate, I'm very happy to see what you'll produce with the new shop beast and look forward to those videos.
I dont own a sawstop but what makes the most sense to me on why you should upgrade from a 3hp pcs to a 5hp ics is the power requirement, is your business building large epoxy tables with thick slabs that need to be ripped down then yes it makes sense to upgrade,. and even if you run a woodworking business the 3hp pcs should be more than sufficient for daily use. (From the research I;ve done)
You should do a project some time made out of Brazilian Teak, also known as Cumaru, there's some pretty crazy grains and colors you can get out of it. I do hardwood flooring as my day job and we're putting in 5" wide Cumaro pre-finish flooring and dang there's some really sweet grain patterns, if there's any left over I'm stealing it and taking it home lol. But seriously, you should try to find some cool pieces of it and make something out of it just for fun, it's not 'super' expensive but it's one of the hardest woods out there.
I bought my sawstop the second or third year they were in production. At that time it was called a 10” Cabinet saw with a 52” fence. I think it would now be called the professional since the motor configuration is the same as yours.
You had me worried for a second there. I also own the ICS but it’s the 3 hp version. I purchased that one so that I wouldn’t have to upgrade it later. Looking forward to seeing your 5hp version rip through some cross cuts.
Festivus: May your Festivus be sufficiently enjoyable
There would be a lot of disagreements to solve this year.
@@Otto-W the airing of grievances will be epic
Winning comment so far
Hey leave some festivus for the rest of us ..happy happy
SawStop is a great Chinese saw. Probably the best Chinese saw.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
I sold my 3hp SawStop and bought a Felder 700S 10’ sliding table saw. Looove it!!!!!!!!!!
Good to know!
Favorite holiday is Veterans Day. As a vet I feel I owe a debt of gratitude to those who came before and those who follow.
I love the Troll of the week. It occurred to me to try and “win” that contest just so I can get trolled back. Your comebacks are always priceless and give me a big smile each time.
Just put together my new PCS 3HP. I was soooo impressed with their organized setup and was easy to get everything spot on!
Independence day! Hey Cam, I just replaced my Grizzly 3hp table saw.....
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Hold it. Hold it..
Boom, the sawstop ICS 5hp, waiting on the mobile base for setup.
I just watched this video, again to get my major Sawstop excitement going.
I'm retired 61 but this was a dream saw for me.
Cam, thanks for all you're videos. You are by far the best communicating "content creater on UA-cam!"
Love your content, Im a Carpentry instructor at our local community college here in Nova Scotia and we have 4 of these same saws they are the best by far and the safety aspect in a setting like the college is priceless.
Cheers and keep up the awesome content.
European style sliding table saw ftw. I'd go with Felder over this any time.
Saw stop has stepped up from the beginning great job guys thanks for supporting cam
WOW at no cost!!! Lucky man! but, you do awesome work. Well deserved
SS is giving away saws to all UA-cam content creators with a large audience for advertisement and choking off the competition. And the fact that they are 10 mins away makes it a no brainer!
I live just outside of London ( UK ) in Tunbridge Wells. I am a loyal Royalist and I have just experienced the Platinum Jubilee. Although not strictly a
Holiday, it was a magnificent three day spectacular event. The light show projected onto Buckingham Palace was indeed impressive.
Your skill as demonstrated really impresses me, love it. When
I win the lottery I will fly out to meet you, subject to invitation, there I will bleed you dry on helping me design and equip my dream workshop. Dream on.
My best regards to you Sir.
John Roake.
Excuse the line break after WHEN. This error only goes to prove that old adage, measure ( edit ) twice and cut ( publish ) once.
Apologies, John Roake
I think it would be cool if you did a vid on the business side of thing, such as taxes, accounting, maybe marketing etc.
Maybe I’ll start with that on my blog
Saw Stop is awesome. I love my 3 HP PCS. Assembly couldn't have been easier. The build quality just can't be beaten and the safety is peace of mind.
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It definitely can be beaten 😜
Has to be Christmas, celebrating our Lords birth! Thanks for the review of the ICS. I have had the 3 hp PCS for about 3 years and love it. Love your new saw though. Big fan of SawStop!
Thanks bud!
Looks like an advent calendar for the parts.
Boxing day is my favorite holiday because it's the day after christmas and extends that break from work out just a little longer. Plus it's a good buffer to my birthday.
That’s not a real answer
@@BlacktailStudio sure it is.
Why should my reasoning for liking a holiday be any less legitimate than some other silly reason like religion or tradition?
i enjoyed watching you set up your sawstop… with sufficient details but not too much… appreciate your personal impressions 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Ive owned my sawstop for many years, i ordered one before they were even made, ive yet to find fault in these saws, im a believer ..... woodworker for 35 years and still got all ten fingers!
Edit: Christmas of course, celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.
Congratulations. I just picked up my 36” 3hp PCS. I’ve got a garage shop, so space is premium. It’s clearly the highest quality most expensive piece of equipment that I have. But as a retired Marine living on disability, I’ve got to take baby steps. I splurged on the sawstop for the obvious reasons. Quality and my desire to keep the appendages I have left.
I enjoy your content and look forward to more. Thanks
2nd edit: Boxing Day is a British holiday where the servants trade places with their masters. ( learned that from an episode of MASH)
Shut up... really??
Christmas! Did you consider a euro style slider over a cabinet saw? Perhaps a Felder or SCM?
I asked him this before but he just said he wasn’t really interested in them which is his choice. I think every cut in this video would have been easier and faster on a euro slider with a larger blade, particularly I noticed the way the pieces caught on the table and didn’t pull back smoothly and then trying to cut 4” material in two passes is a hassle.
@@austin357 I agree. I own a Hammer K3, and while it's not an "industrial" slider like a Felder or Martin, it's still light years ahead of a sliding attachment on a cabinet saw.
I really need the Sawstop feature. I know some people are comfortable without it. Just a personal choice. A local shop I go to has a Martin slider than can take a 22” blade. It’s pretty slick.
@@BlacktailStudio that’s perfectly reasonable, if we all thought the same the world would be boring. Hopefully felder will eventually bring their non-destructive equivalent tech down from the format4 line!
@@BlacktailStudio The only people that "need" Sawstop need to stay away from table saws all together
My birthday is my best holiday, not really a holiday but a good day when all my daughters come to see me. Great saw good luck with it.
Thanks Don!
Thanks for your videos you have always been so informative straight to the point showing your mistakes as experience not failures. No need to respond. So glad to see you are doing well. Thanks Chris
Christmas: Wish they were sold in Australia.
They aren’t?? Crazy
Aussie's don't need them, they are used to every thing around them trying to kill or damage them, so are immune. 😁
Carbatec does sell them in Australia.
Bought mine from Carbatec in Sydney
Hahahahahaha!!! I love the “Troll of the week!” And to be completely transparent, I’m usually the cynical one. LOL!
Ha! Trying Paul
I am just getting into wood working as a hobby...I am drooling watching this video..lol
Thanks Matt!
Boxing Day is the absolute best holiday as nobody has any expectations. Loving the instructions and how the nuts and bolts are packaged.
I didn’t know that!
I had a 5 hp powermatic 66 3 phase for 12 years and loved it. The weight and build were significant. However age and eye sight started to get into my head and realized that my insurance deductible was more than a new SawStop. After reading Chris Schwarz's review of the PCS, judged against his gold standard the Powermatic 66 I went with the ICS which addressed all the critiques Schwarz raised. After using it for 2 months now I like it WAY better than my 66 . The engineering on the different features are clever and fit and finish are top notch. I got the small slider as well . It's a little finicky but I am learning to use it and it is proving very useful.
That’s great to hear. I haven’t used that powermatic. So nice to get the personal feedback.
Christmas Day! Thank you for showing the sliding table…I’m waiting for my 3hp PCS 52” with the TSG-FDC to come in. One employee tried to talk me out of the slider but it was what I wanted and your video just enforced the need. I don’t think I need the industrial saw as you have as I’m not a professional. You’re absolutely correct that the employees at SawStop are top notch and they don’t receive any commission if you buy from them and we’re quite happy that I was buying from a local dealership here in N.C. thanks again!
My favorite holiday, by the way...is Christmas and Thanksgiving...because it means a lot more family time! And...I love christmas music!
For sure Matt
Boxing Day: Began with masters "boxing" up Christmas presents for their house servants. Now the rich give Christmas presents to those less fortunate. Celebrated on the day after Christmas...why do I feel like that just earned me the troll of the week?
Great video as always.
Wonder if you could do a dust skirt with velcro as the another subscriber suggested, but leave the front open so you can still see the blade and to keep airflow going.
Ps. LOVE how you handle trolls.
That’s just good feedback! And I do my best.
I pulled the trigger on a track saw in place of a large table saw. For dimensioning and breaking down sheet goods it was worth every penny
Good call!
Sawstop is great. Stay warm and thanks for the content and Knowledge
Awesome set-up. Best saw in my opinion. Not that my opinion matters. If anyone has any issues with saw stop Stumpy Nubs has a video on it explaining the benefits and myths of saw stop.
Christmas. I've got sooo much saw envy now! Keep the shop updates coming, I really enjoy seeing how you build everything out.
Thanks bud!
Got the 3hp pcs now, so so happy!
Always cool to see repeat customers as I will be if mine ever kicks the buckets or I move into a bigger space.
Thanks for the detailed description of your new saw. Christmas!
The smaller PCS, 1.75 HP will cut through just about anything you want to throw at it, walnut, maple and even some exotic eucalyptus I got full logs of from someone. I've cut through all of those with the blade at full height, 3.x inches with no or very little burning. It helps to have a good sharp blade and everything on the saw adjusted to the nth degree. I often cut thin veneer, walnut, maple, etc., with the SS.. Incredible machine worth every penny plus it helps that it isn't going to cut your fingers off and that alone is worth the price of admission.
Believe me when I tell you that your fingers are not immune to the effects of a high speed spinning blade. It only takes a split second to slip up and it isn't nearly as much fun as seen on TV..
This kind of saw is so American. Over here in Germany the maximum size saw in this style with a fixed table is tiny compared to this.
The bigger saws over here are all format tablesaws, those get quite small to compensate for the lack of this style of machine. Check out the Hammer K3 or the Felder 500 for a saw in a similar price range
And the Minimax sc 3c. 12" blade, compact footprint, truly a well designed sliding table. The sawstop sliding table looks positively flimsy by comparison.
Christmas for me. Great video and very helpful to those of us that are trying to choose which SawStop to get. Thank you!
Thanks Andre!
It's so great when you wait so long for a class tool and finally get it. Congratulations.
Agree with you 100% on the AWESOME assembly paradigm SawStop has come up with. I use to do RTA assembly, so I have lots of experience with assembly, and NOTHING I've ever encountered comes close to being as good instructions and hardware/parts management as the SawStop experience.
SawStops customer service and tech support are the best!!
For sure!
Just picked up a used 5hp ics for a great price. I need to do a motor/electric swap out because I don't have 3phase. This saw was sold from a school shop class.
Their documentation person is on point!!
For sure!
Christmas. Brings memories of playing in the snow as a kid long with the tranquil beauty around the mountain meadows I used to go snow-shoeing in. Congrats on the Epic saw upgrade! I'm a huge fan of Hammer/Felder 5 function combination machines, but as a hobbyist I can't really justify that expense.
For sure
I've worked in commercial and hobbyist woodworking all my life. I've never tried a Saw Stop brand saw but I've heard lots of good things about them. I cut my teeth on Delta Unisaw and old Laguna sliding table saws, as well as bigger commercial equipment by SCM, Ball, Diehl, Michael Weinig, Nash, and other brands. What I've learned over the years is that top quality equipment in absolutely a must. Next is an intimate understanding of that tools use and adjustment, as well as its safe operation. In my early years, I worked alongside far too many old veterans with missing fingers and complete body impalement from kick backs (one half way through his face). So if a quality piece of equipment can save a few body parts, it has to be a good thing.
Well said George
Wow. I've heard about a lot of hand injuries due to a table saw, but this was the first tooth injury. You gotta stop feeding wood through the saw with your mouth!
Christmas is a wonderful time of year...even in 2020! That is a really nice saw! Hope you enjoy it!🎄
Agreed!
lols that climatic build up for the replacement of a sawstop with a sawstop. Enjoy your new saw. I passed on an ICS for a PCS. Because of 3 phase power issues. Although that 5hp ICS and larger table top would have been a beast over that 3hp PCS.
I know right?
National Beer Day is a real holiday even if I have to look up the date. :) I just moved into a new house and upgraded from a 3/4-car garage to a 600sqft dedicated shop. The ICS is way overkill for a hobbyist like me but I'm looking forward to having room to replace all of my must-be-mobile/foldable/packable tools and upgrading my jobsite Bosch Reaxx (yes, the one Sawstop sued to stop selling in the US) with a still-overkill-for-me SawStop PCS -- even though I actually like Bosch's mechanism more because it resets faster and doesn't destroy my blades.
Well congrats on the new shop!
You're going to laugh. I've been woodworking for over a year now without a table saw. Why? Because I'm saving for a sawstop. They're a seriously cool product.
Awesome. About the instructions for your new table saw, well that is what supposed to be. Love the color coordinated with the parts. Agree, 99% of instructions on anything are either scant or if any, not in color and not specific so I usually end up looking for YTb videos a lot for better instructions. Yes, companies should emulate SawStop. May be one I get that table. Congratulations. 🎉
Thank u for posting this I’m very happy u did post it bcos I like saw stop ✋ a lot and am thinking of getting1 thanks again
Sawstop made an excellent choice giving that saw to you. You are very very good at explaining things. I have seen a ton of table saw videos made by new owners and the manufacturer and I would put this one at the top of the pile. Plus your exceptional woodworking skills. Yes Sir, that was a smart move for Sawstop.
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if you can shorten the side where your material goes in, also use some heavy plastic sheeting to close the space at the back of the cover.
Christmas Eve with lots of snow. Keep going one step closer to a finished shop!
Getting there!
Any holiday is great for some rest....Nice upgrade on the HP's, bigger shop requires bigger tools and you will be able to process pretty much everything you get a request for, very professional, Congratulations.
For sure Luis
Here I am with my 8 1/4 dewalt job site saw dreaming of the SawStop contractor model and then I see this… Sweet looking setup for sure! Christmas is the favorite with thanksgiving and Easter tied for second.
Every Thursday feels like a holiday because I get to watch a Black Tail video ;)
THATS the best answer
Christmas Day. But not for getting gifts. I just like getting my kids the perfect gift, and watch their faces. I don’t have a question or comment for you. Just wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and hopes for a far superior, COVID free 2021.
You too Paul!
I had been set on buying a 3hp PCS but still toying with a 5hp ICS , I think you helped me sway my decision to an ICS.
Oh awesome! Enjoy Tyler!
I've had same saw for years and love ❤ love it. I smile every time I use it.
For sure!
Christmas is the best! Hi Cam, I had the same issues with my fence stop measurement on a similar setup when i first started using it. The trick is to fully flip the stop over so the stop covers the measuring tape. e.g. flip the stop a full 180 degrees. The stop then perfectly lines up with the measuring tape. Hard to explain without a picture. Hope it makes sense!
Oh ok try that!
Love the whole setup with the framing tech table!!
Thanks!
Veterans Day to remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to protect our freedoms.
Really can see the gray in your wall color collection. Very nice.
I wise I was around when you traded your Toyota. I know why but really like that year.
Congrats on the table saw. That motor will maintain a constant speed throughout the cut. Where is the suction motor mounted and what is its hp rating? I may have missed that part. I'll watch again.
Admire your new shop and would watch any video on its set up.
Boxing Day: 26 December, started in England in 17th Century, when a Christmas “box” a present or gratuity would be given to to anyone who works for you or performed a service. In my native England I used to get a Christmas box from people I delivered Newspapers to. I guess if you were landed gentry you’d were too busy on Christmas Day. It’s a Public holiday still. Also observed in former British territories incl. Canada and many European counties. PS loved the table saw.
No kidding? Makes sense.
Wow! A free saw! That is mind boggling.
Tell me about it!
Wait what? How did I not know that Saw Stop was in PDX? I know this video is about a year old, but thank you for letting me know I will be buying local.
Christmas. This was a great review. I am just a hobbyist so I learn a lot from you and I enjoy watching each of your videos. I have a Sawstop 1.75 PCS and I love it. It’s a Hugh upgrade over my old Delta TS-300. I can’t see ever needing the ICS but it was really informative to see your review. I was especially interested in the slider. Good work as always. I look forward to your videos. Thanks J.
That’s a great saw you have. I’m sure it’s good enough forever!
NY day. Boxing day is so called because the day after Christmas the church used to open the donation boxes and distribute their contents to the poor 😊 Great video, super jealous of your new setup Cam!
Thanks Jo!
My favorite holiday is New Years Day..
Valentines day, cause I'm a sucker who adores my partner and likes having an excuse to pamper her. Congrats on the new saw, Cam!! That's dope
4th of July. It’s warm and beer is involved! I’d love to have a Saw Stop but they’re so spendy. I guess I’ll just continue to get by with my Bosch portable. Your shop is really amazing. Just keep the content coming so we can continue to live vicariously through you, Cam! Thanks
....and can we not talk about this years Civil War? 🦆
It’s like a leap year for me. I only get one every four years. So no, Go beavs!
I learned how to install duct at like 15. By 18 I could make a flat piece of metal into almost any imaginable 3D shape. My grandma owns an HVAC company. Nice duct. Very clean.
Holiday? Hmmm....The Marine Corps Birthday? No....I guess it’s Thanksgiving.
Cam, when I saw the title for this video I was ready to e-punch you. I am a devoted and proud Sawstop 3hp PCS owner so....I’m cool with your “replacement.” 🤣
I could not agree more with your opinion on the assembly instructions and Sawstop customer service...top notch!
I recently sold my home and shop and my plans are to find a place (land) where I can put up a building for my next/new shop. My first upgrade may not be the ICS but definitely the slider and dust collector arm. Nice job...and your gratitude and humility are appreciated. (You have the best trolls....that’s something....🤔, right?)
Thanks steve! Glad to see you’re on team Sawstop too
Thanks for the video. I'm about to replace my 1960's (old but still very good) table saw, I inherited from my grandpa, with a new machine and I've really been looking at the sawstop saws. My main worry was if the saw would be a "good for my lifetime" purchase and you said that it was. One of the reasons I need to replace my old saw is they quit making them decades ago and I can't get parts for it. I worry that if sawstop goes out of business I won't be able to get the safety stop cartridges or specialized belt (if they have them) anymore.
They got bought by Festool. They aren’t going anywhere
The best advise I got regarding a table is to purchase the last table you can afford.
Well said
I'm a delta unisaw guy, our mill shop has the polar opposite of the sawstop... 40s era 16 inch oliver pattern makers tilting table saw. If you don't use the manual break it spins for at least 6 min. After powered down. It looks like it will kill you powered off
Labor Day/Veterans Day. I've really enjoyed sharing in the delightful thrill of watching the transformation of your dream shop. It's so satisfying to see people realizing thier goals. My question is: Do you miss flying and do you intend on keeping at least a Private Pilot rating?
My pilot certificate never goes away. So I’ll always be an ATP/commercial pilot. That said, no. I’ll probably never fly again. And am very ok with that 😊
New Year's Day - can't wait for 2020 to be over. For this weekend warrior on a budget, the Sawstop CNS is good enough. Added a metal floor, cut a hole for a 4" dust pipe, and added a box around the rear-mounted motor. The underneath portion of the dust collection works pretty well, although I do have to manually help some of the sawdust into the duct when I change blades. Now I have to figure out how to get overhead dust collection. Huge upgrade from the BT3100 in terms of power, fence accuracy and squareness. The midget sliding table was nice, but an Incra miter gage does angles extremely well. Great video to drool over, thank you!
Thanks rich!
Hi. I do not understand why these cabinets saw's are called professional saws. It is from my part of the world and my view almost a toy. I have a Felder K700 sliding table and a Sawstop. Bougth the Sawstop with the sliding attachment and man.. what utter rubbis, sad to say. I had hopes of minimizing the footprint of tools in the shop, but selling the Sliding table saw and only have the Sawstop would be like going back from a Mercedes to a Gocart.
With all your slabs and long cut, and as a company you should have done your self a favour and saved up for a sliding saw. It would have been a game changer. (I do know that Felter as such are crayzy expensive)
Love your channel and your work. Keep them vids coming :)
TR
Christnmas for me! Thanks so much for the video. My wife ordered this saw for me a couple weeks back. Can't wait to get it. Rockler hasn't been able to tell us when it will arrive but I sure hope it is soon. Merry Christmas!
That’s a good wife!!
It's pretty..... After retiring from three full cabinet shops full of $$$$$ machines, and can build a $50k walnut kitchen with a circular saw, a router and a pocket hole jig, a compressor and a simple hvlp gun after all that....I still build many , but the money I save to play on the boat is a lot more fun. I'm all for sawstop in employee environments, and if you get demos for theirtube, but for those thinking you need one....you don't, and you could be on the water in a boat. Be smart with any saw....and be smart with what saw. On the golf range I've proved the same....technique before shiny tools.
Awesome setup! I just bought the contractor model with the upgraded fence and I love it. I guess, you're welcome!
That’s awesome!
That's one mighty Christmas gift. Congratulations. :)
Agreed!
Congrats on the saw
My best holidays are not holidays but birthdays. I have 3 children and 8 grandchildren. Grandchildren birthdays are the best for me! I am their papy, LOL. It's a real joy to me!
Christmas - largely because I get a second helping of Thanksgiving dinner. Just wanted to thank you for the shout out to William Ng. He deserves the love. I've learned a great deal from him and own the Whiteside William Ng fingernail bit.
Greetings from Australia mate, what a really in depth review on such a magnificent Table Saw & I think it’s a next level tool investment for the Professional cabinet maker.
Great channel & I’m subscribed 🎥🔨👍
Awesome, thanks man!
Favorite holiday is Christmas. Merry Christmas to you and yours and enjoy that beast.
You too Randy
I love your work. You make some of the best pieces i've been so far. Enjoy your videos!
Thanks bud!
I have the same saw. The "original" SS dust collection arm is MUCH better, for dust collection, because it collects dust from the front of the blade, and the sides move independently. That arm would collect most dust even if the DC wasn't turned on because it leveraged airflow created by the spinning blade. The arm in this video was originally designed by another company (purchased by SS) and doesn't leverage SawStop's original dust collection innovations. That said, I'm toying with the idea of purchasing this arm and redesigning the blade shroud to collect dust from the front of the blade. This could be accomplished by adding some plexiglass to redirect the airflow/suction to the front. I would also add some movable side panel to address the problem from partial cuts. This arm has more potential than the original arm because the larger tubing can move more air overall. But optimization is needed.
To add one more comment...the reason it's so difficult to collect dust at the rear of the blade is because a lot of dust is “caught” in the gullets of the blade and slung forward as the blade comes around (some dust is also created when the blade scrapes the board at the back, but this isn’t the main problem). To capture this dust, it must be dislodged from the gullet (using a pressurized air stream aimed at the gullet, for example) or grabbed at the front after it’s free. Because the blade is spinning so fast, the air velocity required to grab this fast-moving dust must also be high. A high vacuum DC, like the industrial high vac Oneida unit, will improve the odds for success. I have the high vac Oneida unit but it’s not installed yet. I’m more and more tempted to get this overarm SS unit and run some experiments. I’m convinced with the right DC and a redesign of the shroud, this setup could be best in class.
Full respect to you .... Not just for your content but for the fact you called out to the original UA-camr with the 5 cut method.
Once again you reinforced wine I subscribed to your Channel.
Thank you for sharing your passion .
What are the internal dimensions of your shop?
30x40’ ish
Veterans Day! I'm equal parts happy for you and jealous at the same time. I've had the 3hp PCS for three years now and I absolutely love it. Like you, I subscribe to the Willian Ng method and it's true....math doesn't lie;-) I have the standard blade guard/dust collection unit and I'm really happy with it since my shop takes up the entire basement. If I had room for the sliding attachment, it would already be installed. That said, I don't work on too many large projects so I can get by with my panel saw or track saw. At any rate, I'm very happy to see what you'll produce with the new shop beast and look forward to those videos.
Thanks man. And that’s a serious saw in itself!
I dont own a sawstop but what makes the most sense to me on why you should upgrade from a 3hp pcs to a 5hp ics is the power requirement, is your business building large epoxy tables with thick slabs that need to be ripped down then yes it makes sense to upgrade,. and even if you run a woodworking business the 3hp pcs should be more than sufficient for daily use. (From the research I;ve done)
You should do a project some time made out of Brazilian Teak, also known as Cumaru, there's some pretty crazy grains and colors you can get out of it. I do hardwood flooring as my day job and we're putting in 5" wide Cumaro pre-finish flooring and dang there's some really sweet grain patterns, if there's any left over I'm stealing it and taking it home lol. But seriously, you should try to find some cool pieces of it and make something out of it just for fun, it's not 'super' expensive but it's one of the hardest woods out there.
I’d love to!
@@BlacktailStudio Also, I still wanna see you build a custom desktop tower case, I think that'd be pretty sweet and a fun challenge.
I bought my sawstop the second or third year they were in production. At that time it was called a 10” Cabinet saw with a 52” fence. I think it would now be called the professional since the motor configuration is the same as yours.
I think many people recognize the safety of sawstop but do not also understand they are great table saws as well.
Oh for sure
Nice response to the TotW!
I try!
St. Patricks Day...very nice Saw.
made me get my upgrade. ics. thanks. great idea. cant price a finger
You had me worried for a second there. I also own the ICS but it’s the 3 hp version. I purchased that one so that I wouldn’t have to upgrade it later. Looking forward to seeing your 5hp version rip through some cross cuts.
Ya man!