This was a fantastic introduction to slider saws! how I learned it as a construction worker in Texas, was it’s the best of a regular table saw 80% of the time, but flipped left to right and sometimes sideways. Shame they’re so specialized and expensive in the US! EDIT: if you’re getting a table saw for the first time, I strongly recommend you get in-person instruction first! Issues like kickback you can understand in concept, but like circular saws, there’s some non-intuitive behaviors in detail or context that’s extremely difficult to get your head around without hands-on experience
A great video! Not a lot of this type of info available, especially in the US, which is why I started a channel that's featuring a Hammer B3 unit. I was just about to buy a SawStop when I decided to really research sliding table saws and I ended up with a Hammer. While the Hammer costs more and I had to wait a while for it (thanks Covid!), I'm glad I bought it. I'd repeat in a heartbeat.
I agree that there's not much info out here in the US and that's actually why I'm going to start a channel featuring a Minimax C 26G. I've been waiting for it to come from Italy for the past 6mo (thanks again COVID). I was about to buy a set of Laguna machines but stumbled across the Hammer series by accident...went down a rabbit hole and several dozen emails later I ended up with one machine that does it all. Definitely can't wait to try mine out. I'm glad you like your B3! Great machine!
Wally West, I will love to see your machine in action. I appreciate modern 5-function machines, and the Mini Max caught my eye! If you start a channel, I pledge to subscribe! Best of luck!
@@leehaelters6182 I had the MiniMax Technomax for years and loved it ! I recently retired and sold it, but never had any problems with it. Stayed accurate for all ten years that I used it. Customer service was better with them than with Felder and the price was quite a bit less too ! Grizzly also makes a compact sliding panel saw that you might want to check out as well.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
The ability to cut a full 4 x 8 sheet good safely with little effort, count me in! Sawstop needs to get to get those development engineers back to work. :P
Sorry the Europeans are way ahead of what we make here in America as far as panel saw go's The safety systems on European saws are much better than whats on a SawStop. A previous post points this out.
Instead of building a sled for cutting short pieces, you can also clamp a piece of wood (higher than the height of the saw) to the moving fence extending beyond the saw to support them
I had a Sawstop 5hp Industrial model, with the sliding table option. It was one of 3 table saws in my shop. It was excellent in every way. My observation was the sliding table was great, particularly for breaking down sheet goods. It also excelled cutting tenons. However, it did limit or obviated some of my favorite shop-made and purchased fixtures. Also, since I had an excellent sliding compound miter saw it offered little advantage for cross cutting rails, stiles, etc.. In practice I used a premium crosscut blade on my miter saws and premium rip or combination blades on the Sawstop. For the production environment, the sliding table can be a huge advantage, but for my widely varying needs it’s advantage was not worth the expense. I would not likely I’d buy one again. For the, hobbyist, who adapts the table saw to mimic certain stand-alone machines the sliding table can be a showstopper. I can’t make a “blanket” recommendation either way for a hobbyist. Each woodworker needs to carefully assess their needs and make an informed decision.
That is a very nice saw. In my opinion the best table saw currently available is the martin t75 prex. It can do bevel cuts both directions and has vacuum work holding options.
Grizzly makes them too and at a much better price ! I just sold my panel saw and it was made by SCMI which is the largest manufacturer of these type saws in the world and the price of them is better than those of Felder. Felder by comparison is a small Co.
@@dannyh.7490 Sorry to rain in your parade, but you just said, is a Toyota Corola is better than a Rolls Royce, nothing compares to FELDER or the smaller branch of the company, named HAMMER, so you need to get your facts right, by the way maybe i am wrong, but SCMI, is made in China, not Europe
@@tonyjordao2595 SCM is much better quality than Felder, SCM panel saws are made in Italy and not china. I own SCM L'invincibile six and felder kappa 590 both top of the line panel saw but SCM is years ahead of felder. But if you want the top of the top you buy Martin. don't get me wrong folder makes great machines and a lot of them (cheaper ones) are made in china.
Realmente grandioso saber que tengas la cualidad de explicar muy claramente detalle a detalle, tus tutoriales . Te lo dice un varon de 50 años de edad. DIOS te bendiga.
Thank you so much for the input on the table saw that looks like an awesome saw. I have the same type of sliding feature on my saw stop and have been happy with it so far. but the one you're showing looks even better. thank you again and by the way the shop looks neat and organized and that's the way I keep mine and love it so I appreciate someone else who does the same and thank you thank you from Doug
I believe that Felder now makes a saw that has a similar feature to a SawStop but doesn't require replacing the expensive cartridge and blade if the devise is triggered. Unfortunately Felder saws are very expensive here in Canada.
I have to say I was skeptical during the first seconds. But I really enjoyed your video. I'm stuck in a efffing city and can't go back home where I would buy one of these things, even if I am just a beginner. I also reallyl loved explanation about tricks and safety, they never get old Cheers from Italy
Felder offers a superior safety system. It will engage the system before your finger touches and it won't ruin your blade. It works off of electro magnets. At this time it's only offered in the Format 4 commercial grade. In the US it's around $30,000.00 USD.
By the looks of it, that is far superior than what we have here in the us. You just have so much more ability to rip bigger sheets of wood and you almost don't even need a sled
Hey, Alexandre. I know the video is over 1 year old now. There is a Felder saw kappa 550 that has their PCS system, built-in , but it is probably really expensive and for professional use. And another European brand, Festool (also owns SawStop) has a table saw that has the safety feature built-in.
Thanks, and a great video! Sawstop now makes a sliding tablesaw, but considering the price, I’ve decided to buy a Festool cordless tracksaw and their folding sawing table. Takes up less room, costs 1/3 the price (or 1/2 with dust collection), and works in the Home Depot parking lot to cut pieces that fit in my truckbed. And by keeping my hands above the saw, I still get to keep all my fingers. Also, it appears that Festool has licensed Sawstop technology, but I doubt they will sell them in the US… though if anyone can figure out how to make a tracksaw that instantly shuts off before it cuts your finger off, it’s probably Festool.
SawStop does not make a sliding table saw. They have sliding table extensions that attach to a traditional cabinet saw. Doesn't work quite the same since the slider isn't right up against the blade.
Most of the German manufacturers have other security measures for your fingers, so they don't need saw stop. Those also don't destroy the saw blade. Also there are some saws, which can angle the blade to both sides.
Love the video and the explanation about all the good uses. I especially like how narrow and compact this style of table saw is. My only concern is..how do I put my dado stack in there?
Well, Felder has something to offer it is called PCS and it won't require to buy expensive cartridges when incident happens, instead it lowers the blade with powerful electromagnets, and allows to resume work in seconds.
Funny, that saw was sold by a Norwegian company (Falkenberg, selling a lot of high end pro wood cutting equipment, saws, cnc’s etc) remember the model.
Hello Alexander. Just saw you video, where you proclaimed that saw stop is the only saws that have that technology. That is not quite true. Festool has bought sawstop so they have it now. But Felder as your own saw has actually made an even better system than sawstop where they do not need to replace the blade when the blade retracts. Have a look at their professional series sliding saws where it can be bought as standard or as an add on.
Сlamps can be installed there in T-slot and you can cut small pieces of material. to get the desired size, I put the mod an emphasis on 10-20cm. and so I can cut a strip of 10 mm from material 2-3 cm wide, or as much as you like, because you can set the exact size on the ruler. this saw has no drawback except that if you follow the rules it is difficult to cut off fingers
I am use a SCM 16 si (really old) with 3 m slide and I am super happy with that. I never get why the us is using the table saws? Why? Ok I a master, Schreinermeister. xD
So, did riding the slide at the end require adjusting and checking square and parallel again? Wish Felder could make 1 w/ flesh-detecting tech (without destroying the blade(s). Although, having a scoring blade might change the dynamics of things...
I would love to have the sliding table saw that can handle a full 4x8 sheet of plywood. I am about to make some major upgrades to my shop this year and have already been considering adding one as I am going to be producing a lot more items that will be made from plywood. A saw guide, track saw and my current table saw work fine for most of my projects now that require cutting a full sheet, but I believe with as much as I expect to be cutting plywood a few months from now, the sliding table saw would be faster and more efficient than marking each piece, aligning and clamping down the track for each cut. I'd be interested in hearing what you and others who may handle cutting down full plywood sheets all day long on a regular basis and have used both methods think. Would it be worth the extra investment? I also am.talking a panel saw into consideration.
I bought my Rockwell Unisaw in 1984 with a sliding table. It's not quite as stable as yours but very accurate and also repeatable. I also have a Unifence which, in my opinion, is the best fence ever made. You did not mention a scoring blade. Does your Felder have one?
Hey Alex! Please Check Out the Fritz&Franz Jig for formating saws. IT IS one of the best jigs for table saws, even it you want to cut super small pieces!!!
The Fritz&Franz is the first jig I added to my Felder K500, and I use it a lot! I also adapted my Matthias Wandel jigs to the saw, with little work. Here in South Africa cabinet saws are expensive, and although the Felder was even more expensive, I get a 315mm blade (as opposed to 250mm), much more power, and I can safely put a whole 18mm birch ply sheet on it and not even sweat cutting it (putting it on I do sweat because of being alone in the shop). The only time I would get a cabinet saw now... would be to augment this one when I need ideally 2 settings to expedite cuts, or for the ability to set the fence to the left of the blade on a cabinet saw (useful rarely but sometimes help)
One you use a sliding table saw, you will not want to go back. It makes a world of difference when the table carry's and guides the work. But they are not small shop friendly. They require much more room.
I've used both types of sliding crosscut tables; close to the blade vs 50 centemeters from the blade. There's only a slight difference when cutting heavy materials like a table top. other than that, there's not a lot of difference.
Festool now has a table saw with the SawStop technology. I think they bought the company. We will definitely see more finger saving technology on "the old continent" from now on!
🎯🧿 One day after, this came on youtube from Felder, check it out : PCS Preventive Contact System Kreissäge Sicherheit. I won't put the link here cause possibly it'll be blocked. It's the same(?) system as SawStop. ✅✔
FYI Felder claim that their latest 900-series saws have blade retraction technology. These are their full computer-aided saws and probably in excess of EU40k.
@@koma-k SawStop were acquired by Festool's parent company, TTS Tooltechnic Systems, back in 2017. They also own a few other familiar brands, like Narex and Tanos.
Not the best saws of all time! Most large to mid sized cabinet shops in America have either SCMI, Martin or Altendorf brands ! I know because I was in the industry for ten years !
That's a cool saw, after watching this, I think I'll get one of the typical table saws we use in the US. Then if I need to rip down large sheets of plywood, use a track saw. Most supply stores also have panel saws, but don't ask for accurate cuts lol
Format4 kappa 550 pcs (part of the felder group) has the safety feature like the sawstop aswell. Except it does not destroy the blade and mechanism in the process.
@@mattschreiber4251 I forget the exact starting price, but probably around 20k euro. Options add to that quickly tho. I got a quote on a kappa 590 x-motion with a bunch of options for 34k.(you can get the 590 emotion way upto 50k if you like tho). These prices are all without tax by the way.
Hey! at 8:57 you said you can check the board for square by just measuring the sides- not true, if the shape is a parallelogram you have to measure the diagonals !
What your leaving out is that table saw is specifically designed for production work for sheet goods. If you make a lot of stuff from sheet wood, this saw is king. But if you use hardwood lumber or make furniture with small components, a traditional table saw is more we'll rounded than a sliding saw.
Actually the newer feilders do have a safty like sawstops and you dont have to replace the blade and a Carthage. You also get 5 in one machines. Surface planer, planer jointer, router, shaper and saw that can cut dados safely. @ about 20k us dollars somone had one Used for 7k dollars with every option and tools. I just didn't have the money to buy it. But lacking a few tools its a compleat workshop. Yes no danders or drill presses but you can prosses most of the parts on it and the planer jointer uses a 12" spril cutter for perfect finishes.
With these Saws you get what you pay for. Back in the 80s I went for the SCM because it was considerably cheaper than a Altendorf. Big mistake. When you're making your living from them go for the best.
Alex why do you use a 8-1/2 " miter saw? why not a 12"? I am wondering because I've got the option of buying a 10" Bosch locally vs saving up for a 12" dewault.
You can actually buy a used one in good condition for a fairly low price. Something between 1000 and 2500 you should find one. It's quite hard to find one this small though. Most of the sliding table panel saws you see on craigslist in Europe are a lot bigger.
Very diplomatic but in reality there is no comparison.Didn't even mention the scoring blade which almost all of these saws have,makes cutting melamine board , veneered board or difficult solid wood a simple, accurate task.Nothing to do about space,got to have it.Price for Euro saws near criminal ,but some competition from Asia at lower prices. This style saw now even available on some non Euro combination machines at good price,needs some research on quality but looks good .
I would really love one of these sliding table saws, but two very important prevent me from getting high end tools. 1) space, my garage is very small and filled with “junk”, 2) a wife unit, nuff said on that subject
Correction: Your sliding table saw isn't all that rare in the US. But, due to cost, it's used mostly in the commercial/industrial sector's more than in a home workshop. Though, some do have them.
Didn't Festool buy sawstop and is starting to incorporate the sawstop technolohy in their tablesaws? I think I saw a tradeshow presentation about that. But I'm not sure they build shop saws that size.
Check www.felder-group.com/en-us/pcs It's basicly an improved version of the Sawstop. Just wanted you to know since you said there are no sliding table saws with this safety mechanism. Thanks for your video, always very informative and cool :)
I realize this is a old vid because Felder has the best technology even better than the saw stop, the blade retracts and your able to use the saw right away unlike the saw stop that carries a cartridge ...
This was a fantastic introduction to slider saws! how I learned it as a construction worker in Texas, was it’s the best of a regular table saw 80% of the time, but flipped left to right and sometimes sideways. Shame they’re so specialized and expensive in the US!
EDIT: if you’re getting a table saw for the first time, I strongly recommend you get in-person instruction first! Issues like kickback you can understand in concept, but like circular saws, there’s some non-intuitive behaviors in detail or context that’s extremely difficult to get your head around without hands-on experience
A great video! Not a lot of this type of info available, especially in the US, which is why I started a channel that's featuring a Hammer B3 unit. I was just about to buy a SawStop when I decided to really research sliding table saws and I ended up with a Hammer. While the Hammer costs more and I had to wait a while for it (thanks Covid!), I'm glad I bought it. I'd repeat in a heartbeat.
I agree that there's not much info out here in the US and that's actually why I'm going to start a channel featuring a Minimax C 26G. I've been waiting for it to come from Italy for the past 6mo (thanks again COVID). I was about to buy a set of Laguna machines but stumbled across the Hammer series by accident...went down a rabbit hole and several dozen emails later I ended up with one machine that does it all. Definitely can't wait to try mine out. I'm glad you like your B3! Great machine!
@@P010010010100101 PM me when you get your channel up and running!
@@CutitwithaHammer sounds good!
Wally West, I will love to see your machine in action. I appreciate modern 5-function machines, and the Mini Max caught my eye! If you start a channel, I pledge to subscribe! Best of luck!
@@leehaelters6182 I had the MiniMax Technomax for years and loved it ! I recently retired and sold it, but never had any problems with it. Stayed accurate for all ten years that I used it. Customer service was better with them than with Felder and the price was quite a bit less too ! Grizzly also makes a compact sliding panel saw that you might want to check out as well.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Very clear and easy to understand. Excellent vid. Subscribed.
The ability to cut a full 4 x 8 sheet good safely with little effort, count me in! Sawstop needs to get to get those development engineers back to work. :P
Sorry the Europeans are way ahead of what we make here in America as far as panel saw go's The safety systems on European saws are much better than whats on a SawStop. A previous post points this out.
Sawstop needs to stop guarding a technology that belongs on every power tool. Can you imagine if only Teslas had seatbelts?
Instead of building a sled for cutting short pieces, you can also clamp a piece of wood (higher than the height of the saw) to the moving fence extending beyond the saw to support them
I had a Sawstop 5hp Industrial model, with the sliding table option. It was one of 3 table saws in my shop. It was excellent in every way. My observation was the sliding table was great, particularly for breaking down sheet goods. It also excelled cutting tenons. However, it did limit or obviated some of my favorite shop-made and purchased fixtures. Also, since I had an excellent sliding compound miter saw it offered little advantage for cross cutting rails, stiles, etc.. In practice I used a premium crosscut blade on my miter saws and premium rip or combination blades on the Sawstop. For the production environment, the sliding table can be a huge advantage, but for my widely varying needs it’s advantage was not worth the expense. I would not likely I’d buy one again. For the, hobbyist, who adapts the table saw to mimic certain stand-alone machines the sliding table can be a showstopper. I can’t make a “blanket” recommendation either way for a hobbyist. Each woodworker needs to carefully assess their needs and make an informed decision.
That is a very nice saw. In my opinion the best table saw currently available is the martin t75 prex. It can do bevel cuts both directions and has vacuum work holding options.
And only $35k
Martin have made the best table and panel saws in the world for over 50 years
Excellent overview of sliding saws.
I’ve never seen a saw like this and I’m extremely jealous.
Grizzly makes them too and at a much better price ! I just sold my panel saw and it was made by SCMI which is the largest manufacturer of these type saws in the world and the price of them is better than those of Felder. Felder by comparison is a small Co.
@@dannyh.7490 Sorry to rain in your parade, but you just said, is a Toyota Corola is better than a Rolls Royce, nothing compares to FELDER or the smaller branch of the company, named HAMMER, so you need to get your facts right, by the way maybe i am wrong, but SCMI, is made in China, not Europe
I would say, It is pretty basic saw. Have you ever heard about something like Martin T75, but price is crazy
@@tonyjordao2595 SCM is much better quality than Felder, SCM panel saws are made in Italy and not china. I own SCM L'invincibile six and felder kappa 590 both top of the line panel saw but SCM is years ahead of felder. But if you want the top of the top you buy Martin. don't get me wrong folder makes great machines and a lot of them (cheaper ones) are made in china.
Realmente grandioso saber que tengas la cualidad de explicar muy claramente detalle a detalle, tus tutoriales . Te lo dice un varon de 50 años de edad. DIOS te bendiga.
I love my panel saw, I have a newer model of the K700 with a 9' slider , not sure if it's the best but very good .
Thank you so much for the input on the table saw that looks like an awesome saw. I have the same type of sliding feature on my saw stop and have been happy with it so far. but the one you're showing looks even better. thank you again and by the way the shop looks neat and organized and that's the way I keep mine and love it so I appreciate someone else who does the same and thank you thank you from Doug
Best explanation of kickback!
I believe that Felder now makes a saw that has a similar feature to a SawStop but doesn't require replacing the expensive cartridge and blade if the devise is triggered. Unfortunately Felder saws are very expensive here in Canada.
I have to say I was skeptical during the first seconds. But I really enjoyed your video. I'm stuck in a efffing city and can't go back home where I would buy one of these things, even if I am just a beginner. I also reallyl loved explanation about tricks and safety, they never get old
Cheers from Italy
I think these table saws are more populaire in Europe I love these!
Felder offers a superior safety system. It will engage the system before your finger touches and it won't ruin your blade. It works off of electro magnets. At this time it's only offered in the Format 4 commercial grade. In the US it's around $30,000.00 USD.
By the looks of it, that is far superior than what we have here in the us. You just have so much more ability to rip bigger sheets of wood and you almost don't even need a sled
Thank you from Downunder - Well done
Hey, Alexandre. I know the video is over 1 year old now. There is a Felder saw kappa 550 that has their PCS system, built-in , but it is probably really expensive and for professional use. And another European brand, Festool (also owns SawStop) has a table saw that has the safety feature built-in.
Loved this video. It sang the praises but acknowledged the limits. Well done! I do wish Saw Stop had this as an available alternative for the top.
It has a similar attachment. Much like an Excalibur fence.
Great explanation of sliding table. Thank you.
Thanks, and a great video! Sawstop now makes a sliding tablesaw, but considering the price, I’ve decided to buy a Festool cordless tracksaw and their folding sawing table. Takes up less room, costs 1/3 the price (or 1/2 with dust collection), and works in the Home Depot parking lot to cut pieces that fit in my truckbed. And by keeping my hands above the saw, I still get to keep all my fingers.
Also, it appears that Festool has licensed Sawstop technology, but I doubt they will sell them in the US… though if anyone can figure out how to make a tracksaw that instantly shuts off before it cuts your finger off, it’s probably Festool.
SawStop does not make a sliding table saw. They have sliding table extensions that attach to a traditional cabinet saw. Doesn't work quite the same since the slider isn't right up against the blade.
Festool bought the sawstop company
Thanks for this. It was exactly what I was looking for.
This was a great video and I learnt so many safety tips. You saved my fingers.
Thank you so much.👍
Take no notice of this video for safety. He does not even have the guard fitted. Unsafe and illegal in many countries. He clearly has no idea
First time seeing a slider saw. Good intro to it. ...what if I also had a sliding garage... 🤔
Most of the German manufacturers have other security measures for your fingers, so they don't need saw stop. Those also don't destroy the saw blade. Also there are some saws, which can angle the blade to both sides.
In australia we would call that type of Saw a panel saw, because theats what its for, support large ply/MDF panels
A panel saw here is basically a large circular saw on 2 guiding rails mounted to the wall.
Love the video and the explanation about all the good uses. I especially like how narrow and compact this style of table saw is. My only concern is..how do I put my dado stack in there?
Bosch also has saws with a similar safety feature like Sawstop. Some Bosch's have a little dinky sliding table I think
Very nice saw, but nothing beats a panel saw for breaking down large sheets
Well, Felder has something to offer it is called PCS and it won't require to buy expensive cartridges when incident happens, instead it lowers the blade with powerful electromagnets, and allows to resume work in seconds.
Funny, that saw was sold by a Norwegian company (Falkenberg, selling a lot of high end pro wood cutting equipment, saws, cnc’s etc) remember the model.
Hello Alexander. Just saw you video, where you proclaimed that saw stop is the only saws that have that technology. That is not quite true.
Festool has bought sawstop so they have it now. But Felder as your own saw has actually made an even better system than sawstop where they do not need to replace the blade when the blade retracts.
Have a look at their professional series sliding saws where it can be bought as standard or as an add on.
Сlamps can be installed there in T-slot and you can cut small pieces of material. to get the desired size, I put the mod an emphasis on 10-20cm.
and so I can cut a strip of 10 mm from material 2-3 cm wide, or as much as you like, because you can set the exact size on the ruler.
this saw has no drawback except that if you follow the rules it is difficult to cut off fingers
Nice video alexandre keep up the good work i love all your videos
awesome video, good energy
I am use a SCM 16 si (really old) with 3 m slide and I am super happy with that.
I never get why the us is using the table saws?
Why?
Ok I a master, Schreinermeister. xD
Felder just released a similar version to the sawstop but in a large format slider
If you search on youtube for table saw kickback you can find demonstrations as well as accidents that actually happened.
So, did riding the slide at the end require adjusting and checking square and parallel again?
Wish Felder could make 1 w/ flesh-detecting tech (without destroying the blade(s). Although, having a scoring blade might change the dynamics of things...
I would love to have the sliding table saw that can handle a full 4x8 sheet of plywood. I am about to make some major upgrades to my shop this year and have already been considering adding one as I am going to be producing a lot more items that will be made from plywood. A saw guide, track saw and my current table saw work fine for most of my projects now that require cutting a full sheet, but I believe with as much as I expect to be cutting plywood a few months from now, the sliding table saw would be faster and more efficient than marking each piece, aligning and clamping down the track for each cut.
I'd be interested in hearing what you and others who may handle cutting down full plywood sheets all day long on a regular basis and have used both methods think.
Would it be worth the extra investment?
I also am.talking a panel saw into consideration.
What is the link for the saw
ive got a digital read out on my table saw fence, all servo controlled, now its your turn haha
I bought my Rockwell Unisaw in 1984 with a sliding table. It's not quite as stable as yours but very accurate and also repeatable. I also have a Unifence which, in my opinion, is the best fence ever made.
You did not mention a scoring blade. Does your Felder have one?
Great video and very good tips! Thanks!
Great vid dude, thanks
Hey Alex! Please Check Out the Fritz&Franz Jig for formating saws. IT IS one of the best jigs for table saws, even it you want to cut super small pieces!!!
The Fritz&Franz is the first jig I added to my Felder K500, and I use it a lot!
I also adapted my Matthias Wandel jigs to the saw, with little work. Here in South Africa cabinet saws are expensive, and although the Felder was even more expensive, I get a 315mm blade (as opposed to 250mm), much more power, and I can safely put a whole 18mm birch ply sheet on it and not even sweat cutting it (putting it on I do sweat because of being alone in the shop). The only time I would get a cabinet saw now... would be to augment this one when I need ideally 2 settings to expedite cuts, or for the ability to set the fence to the left of the blade on a cabinet saw (useful rarely but sometimes help)
One you use a sliding table saw, you will not want to go back. It makes a world of difference when the table carry's and guides the work. But they are not small shop friendly. They require much more room.
Festool has licensed the Saw Stop technology for Europe. Their saws have a in-between style of sliding back fence and fixed bed
I believe that this informacion about Festool is false, Mafell have this technology since years, Can you send us more information?
@@alboch6826 www.festool.com/campaigns/microsites/sawstop#Protectyourhealth and neither the Madden Erika 60 / 70 nor 85 have this tech
Nice video, which is the brand of the specific table saw and in what price...?
Very informative. Thank you.
I learned it as that you want to support the longest edge of the piece that you are cutting.
I've used both types of sliding crosscut tables; close to the blade vs 50 centemeters from the blade. There's only a slight difference when cutting heavy materials like a table top. other than that, there's not a lot of difference.
The new festool tablesaw have the saw Stop top.
Sawstop is owned by festool.
Festool now has a table saw with the SawStop technology. I think they bought the company. We will definitely see more finger saving technology on "the old continent" from now on!
cross cutting is best on a chop saw...that saw is epic for panels
anytime i see those euro style table saw i get super jealous
Less hand waving....lol. But, I agree with you. Thanks for the video
🎯🧿 One day after, this came on youtube from Felder, check it out : PCS Preventive Contact System Kreissäge Sicherheit. I won't put the link here cause possibly it'll be blocked. It's the same(?) system as SawStop. ✅✔
FYI Felder claim that their latest 900-series saws have blade retraction technology. These are their full computer-aided saws and probably in excess of EU40k.
Festool has recently started delivering saws with the Sawstop feature.
Interesting.. wasn't SawStop bought by Bosch?
@@koma-k SawStop were acquired by Festool's parent company, TTS Tooltechnic Systems, back in 2017. They also own a few other familiar brands, like Narex and Tanos.
@@kluzz Yes, I see I misremembered - Bosch having their own slightly different safety system
Good presentation.
As a follow-up, maybe a video on how to get by without a table saw?
BlackDragon thanks dude ✌️ short answer : track saw, I love that thing!
@@achappel I just broke out a Kreg track for my circular saw last night. I have no idea how I got along without it.
Yes its a Felder!!! Best Saws Al Time. But really expansive
Not the best saws of all time! Most large to mid sized cabinet shops in America have either SCMI, Martin or Altendorf brands ! I know because I was in the industry for ten years !
...and Felder US service is terrible.
The aoutro is the best part
That's a cool saw, after watching this, I think I'll get one of the typical table saws we use in the US. Then if I need to rip down large sheets of plywood, use a track saw. Most supply stores also have panel saws, but don't ask for accurate cuts lol
Great tips. Thanks!
You need an Altendorf
Enjoyed the information. Thank you. Is there any U.S. suppliers?
Outstanding explanations. How much does a saw like that cost in Dollars?
Amzing , I love your enirgie
Format4 kappa 550 pcs (part of the felder group) has the safety feature like the sawstop aswell. Except it does not destroy the blade and mechanism in the process.
Starting at around $45,000.
@@mattschreiber4251 Not here in europe.
What does a Kappa 550 start at there?
@@mattschreiber4251 I forget the exact starting price, but probably around 20k euro. Options add to that quickly tho. I got a quote on a kappa 590 x-motion with a bunch of options for 34k.(you can get the 590 emotion way upto 50k if you like tho). These prices are all without tax by the way.
@@Baziell a Felder K900 is $20k USD delivered in the States. And Felder US service is awful. Better to go with SCM or Altendorf here.
Veery informative, thank you,
How big is your blade? It looks very large. Love your saw too!
Hey! at 8:57 you said you can check the board for square by just measuring the sides- not true, if the shape is a parallelogram you have to measure the diagonals
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What your leaving out is that table saw is specifically designed for production work for sheet goods. If you make a lot of stuff from sheet wood, this saw is king. But if you use hardwood lumber or make furniture with small components, a traditional table saw is more we'll rounded than a sliding saw.
Your wrong. Sliders are perfect for hardwood aswell.
Felder. Hammer. Kappa. Martin.
thank you for sharing!
Actually the newer feilders do have a safty like sawstops and you dont have to replace the blade and a Carthage.
You also get 5 in one machines.
Surface planer, planer jointer, router, shaper and saw that can cut dados safely.
@ about 20k us dollars somone had one
Used for 7k dollars with every option and tools. I just didn't have the money to buy it. But lacking a few tools its a compleat workshop.
Yes no danders or drill presses but you can prosses most of the parts on it and the planer jointer uses a 12" spril cutter for perfect finishes.
With these Saws you get what you pay for. Back in the 80s I went for the SCM because it was considerably cheaper than a Altendorf. Big mistake. When you're making your living from them go for the best.
Alex why do you use a 8-1/2 " miter saw? why not a 12"? I am wondering because I've got the option of buying a 10" Bosch locally vs saving up for a 12" dewault.
Blade deflection. They are great gor trim, but do not make furniture quality cuts.
Chinese shops should copy this design, we need this in US!
that saw looks like i'd need a 2nd mortgage on my house :P
You can actually buy a used one in good condition for a fairly low price. Something between 1000 and 2500 you should find one. It's quite hard to find one this small though. Most of the sliding table panel saws you see on craigslist in Europe are a lot bigger.
dredd thanks now I can start breaking my piggy banks that I been having & saving for that last 37 years! Used fender sliding table saw here I come!
Build your own for couple hundred bucks.
Very diplomatic but in reality there is no comparison.Didn't even mention the scoring blade which almost all of these saws have,makes cutting melamine board , veneered board or difficult solid wood a simple, accurate task.Nothing to do about space,got to have it.Price for Euro saws near criminal ,but some competition from Asia at lower prices. This style saw now even available on some non Euro combination machines at good price,needs some research on quality but looks good .
I would really love one of these sliding table saws, but two very important prevent me from getting high end tools. 1) space, my garage is very small and filled with “junk”, 2) a wife unit, nuff said on that subject
My fave saw as well. It may be too heavy to get in my basement.
Correction: Your sliding table saw isn't all that rare in the US. But, due to cost, it's used mostly in the commercial/industrial sector's more than in a home workshop. Though, some do have them.
A cheap one of these is 4k. That holds a lot of hobby woodworkers back from buying one. I've never seen one used in the US.
Used ones can be easily found for a very reasonable price.
non avete scm group li da voi? la miglior combinata del mondo la minimax lab 300. ,complimenti per i video e le idee grazie.
What is the model of your saw?
Didn't Festool buy sawstop and is starting to incorporate the sawstop technolohy in their tablesaws? I think I saw a tradeshow presentation about that.
But I'm not sure they build shop saws that size.
Yes. Festool (actually mother company TTS) bought SawStop. Furthermore, Felder has its own technology called PCS® Preventive Contact System.
cost of that table saw pls
What's the name and the model of your Table Saw ? thanks
cool saw! :)
You never showed us how you “ RIP “a 4 x 8 sheet ❓❓❓ does the back fence come completely off ❓
BOSCH ALSO HAD A SYSTEM.
Check www.felder-group.com/en-us/pcs
It's basicly an improved version of the Sawstop. Just wanted you to know since you said there are no sliding table saws with this safety mechanism.
Thanks for your video, always very informative and cool :)
I realize this is a old vid because Felder has the best technology even better than the saw stop, the blade retracts and your able to use the saw right away unlike the saw stop that carries a cartridge ...
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